Really amazing how they can transform s round billet into that complex geometry. The die designers really have to know they stuff. I've seen crankshafts out of marine diesels that were well over ten feet long.
This seems like a fairly dangerous environment. That second robot was like slinging and shoving the material around. I think Personnel should address attitude problems such as these early on. A robot with with attitude problems like that is a dangerous co worker.
I wonder how those machines that make the crankshafts are made, and how those machined that makes the crankshaft machines are made, and all the way to the guy who made the first screw.
Instead of wondering why don't you use your phone for some good and look it up. It's never been easier! When I was a kid if you wanted to learn you had to goto the library, look for a book in the topic you want, and then see if the book had the info you needed. There wasn't a Google search showing 100,000 of sites. I don't get why so many stupid questions get asked anymore?
@@mattferrigno9750 if it’s that easy to find the answer I wouldn’t be wondering, google has tons of useless information, out of that 100,000 sites there could be only a handful that’s even related, it’s always convenient to call someone’s question stupid, and just say “go look it up”, lol, real smart.
Is this drop forge or any non-twist forging limited to just one crank size per forging? In other words, if for instance this is say going to be a Lunati 3.75 inch BB crank, could it also be cut to an original GM 3.76 inch BB size? If so, just how much can crank size vary from one forging? Thanks, S
first video was some indian guys melting spoons and rubbish into crankshafts while wearing sandals, then i got to see a super clean german machine heat treating the bearing tracks on a crankshaft and now we see the proper way of forging a crankshaft from a solid piece of steel. the algorythm is on fire tonight.
Little help here....HOW do they keep the darn thing white hot thru all that processing and time? And is a forged crank the Strongest Crankshaft, or is this just a regular way to build an ordinary crankshaft? Thanks to all you wrenches for your answers! Patrick, #1 Amateur Mechanic :-)
Yeah, it seemed to stay white hot a long time. Come to think of it, my Chinese take out food stays hot longer after I pick it up than it does when I reheat it in the microwave. Hmmm.
There's probably induction heaters either in the dies or secondary ovens along the line somewhere. The dies themselves are probably kept at a temperature hot enough to keep them from sucking to much heat out of the part but not so high as to ruin the temper on the die, they use glycol in the die to both pre heat it but also to keep it from getting too hot. After it goes through all the steps of forging it's of to get normalized to be machined down to rough on a lathe with cutters, after that it'll go through a proper final heat treat to harden, a temper to relax to crystalline structure then back to the lathe to get ground to final dimension. Even in a cheap Chinese knock off you still have about a hundred steps and processes if you want a part that's going to last.
I wonder what machine this is for, prob a dump truck or backhoe deff too long for a car or truck. Also i wonder what kind of metal it is 4340 like most race cranks or what. Would have been better is they told
who ever made this video must think that we viewers are mind readers, a little explination of process would be good for us who were not born in a steel mill
There's only one piece of safety equipment guaranteed to provide safety it's located behind your eyes between your ears and under your toupee everything else is just Hardware devices to cure a software problem .
@@thomaslemay8817 While I agree, we also all know that no matter how smart and careful a human is, they will still make mistakes. Especially when fatigued, and the more complex and taxing a process is. It is, in my opinion, the responsibility of an employer who is profiting off the labor of employees, to do everything possible to ensure their safety.
Lol, we have reversed a long way, the time it took to forge one crankshaft due to health & safety, 40 yrs ago , one man could have manually loaded that billet into the dies & produced about 5 in the time it took to produce 1 in this video
I think there are six throws for connecting rods - and it's pretty big, so diesel seems like a good guess. Know of any big gas inline sixes in production now?
Really? It's unbelievable. Did you work in Brazil, Santa Luzia City, Thyssenkurpp, by Newelco? I'm working there until now. That time there was a translater, Miss Duda, between us. I was a electrician man and we started the heater.
+Anderson Luiz Martins yes I remember you , we had to reterminate the heater coaxial cables with alcohol and a blow torch. I stayed in Belo Horizonte and miss Duda was very kind. Here's my public email, Justin.phillips652@gmail.com. We will talk some more.
it is forged... sometimes there is a big advantage from having a part machined from forged barstock... as the barstock cold or hot rolled (a forging process applied to bar stock) will be expected to be without voids, inclusions, or other flaws.. and you will get a better part.. more durable part... but... Additional forging as done in this video is to not only give you a part without internal flaws, and to reduce machining time by bringing the part to "near net" dimensions,... but also to produce a part with a denser material structure.. the secondary forging, of much of the part, works the same in knife making... the denser steel of a forged knife will take and hold a sharper edge than most knives that are not forged.. but there are many variables and trade offs in each case... some parts, and some parts of parts, you want to be flexible... some not. a forged crankshaft is apt to wear longer and better than one that is not forged.. assuming all other variables in material quality, fitting of the parts that effect wear etc.... are the equal in your comparison. the set up they have here is to do a tremendous ... tremendous amount of labor in a very short time.. with very good consistency.. and what they are achieving in the way of both speed and consistency is far beyond what could be expected from an army of blacksmiths. i know nothing about the company, or what makes the best crankshaft,...and am not saying what they have is the best way to do anything... but... what they have is very impressive..and special.. same as any people that ever were doing anything similar.. an incredible accomplishment, knowing the hardship to overcome, fragility of, and brief nature of human lives.
I'm no expert, at all. I see exposed gears, people with little or no safety gear, standing on equipment with no rails. And the stuff they do have on, looks very clean as in unused.
well I don't know what safety gear you expect to protect someone from something that's 3000° and from a 200,000 ton press I don't know what that would be as for the railings yeah I was there's not any railings up there but it's also a 6 foot fall and sometimes additional safety gear just plain gets in the way I get my work technically the state wants us to buckle our seatbelt on our forklift every time we sit in it the trouble is in 45 years of operation nobody on our dock has ever flipped the forklift because we never lifted very high and I'm up and down on a forklift 50 6070 times a day I just don't need to put the seatbelt on
I have worked at a forging company. I took the engineering drawing and estimated the weight of the finished part. Then determined the quantity of material, steel, aluminum, etc. required to make hundreds of parts. Prior to that, I worked at a heat treating company and heat treated and hot straightened crankshafts up to 16 feet long and 3 feet in diameter. This video is either a test run or a slow operation to make the video. I can see at least 2 crankshafts making the way through the system. The system of saws at the beginning of the video appear to be able to cut 8 at time. In a production run there will be a crankshaft at every stage of the process. I would not be afraid to work at this company.
Detroit used cast cranks, much faster production and much cheaper. forged cranks are for high stressed application, like racing, and turbo engines. and expensive.
When Chevy introduced the heavy duty 292 (gas) in-line 6 in 1963, they used a forged crank, over 31" long, 73 lbs. - for one year (two, in Canada), then switched to nodular cast iron. Think maybe "expensive" had something to do with the switch?
Not a very modern factory. Why were there so many people just standing around doing nothing? Watched the same process in a German factory and it was twice as automated.
I was watching a video on the Germans making a crankshaft. How they made it was by using a big lathe. The end result is the same. But, two different ways of making a crankshaft.
Everything about this screams fake proffessionalism don't be fooled by four walls, machines, and a business name, doesn't assure any amount of quality. Remember, just cause you have a $1000 baseball bat does not mean you are good at baseball ;)
Such an odd shaped thing can be made to spin in perfect balance at thousand of revolutions per minute, amazing!
I remember, back in the day, when dad said, "son, you're gonna have to forge your own crankshaft..."
Pepperidged farm remembers......
Really amazing how they can transform s round billet into that complex geometry. The die designers really have to know they stuff. I've seen crankshafts out of marine diesels that were well over ten feet long.
Wow! Totally different where I work at. I’ve been forging crankshafts for almost 25 years! These machines are ancient! 🤣
Didn't realize how machine-intense forging a crankshaft was.
This is the process of testing a new product. I noticed a lot of senior company employees are following the processing process in the video
They just want to be on TV. Maybe get noticed by Hollywood.
Worked at federal forge in Lansing Michigan for36 years, run 6000ton Ajax, didn't have it this easy
pretty cool vid
All that machinery looks like old Soviet hand me downs from the 1950's .
Yes it does
The best kind of hand me downs XD
This seems like a fairly dangerous environment. That second robot was like slinging and shoving the material around. I think Personnel should address attitude problems such as these early on. A robot with with attitude problems like that is a dangerous co worker.
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Yes, that environment is not for pussys.
Now THAT's an induction heater.
Sounds like you knew what you were doing, cool.
I wonder how those machines that make the crankshafts are made, and how those machined that makes the crankshaft machines are made, and all the way to the guy who made the first screw.
Instead of wondering why don't you use your phone for some good and look it up. It's never been easier! When I was a kid if you wanted to learn you had to goto the library, look for a book in the topic you want, and then see if the book had the info you needed. There wasn't a Google search showing 100,000 of sites. I don't get why so many stupid questions get asked anymore?
@@mattferrigno9750 if it’s that easy to find the answer I wouldn’t be wondering, google has tons of useless information, out of that 100,000 sites there could be only a handful that’s even related, it’s always convenient to call someone’s question stupid, and just say “go look it up”, lol, real smart.
One thing I learned about the Chinese... You want a high quality part? They can make it...
You want a cheap piece of shit? They can make that too...
example of high a quality Chinese parts ,?
@@stifflery mid 90s Schwinn bike frames.
Is this drop forge or any non-twist forging limited to just one crank size per forging?
In other words, if for instance this is say going to be a Lunati 3.75 inch BB crank, could it also be cut to an original GM 3.76 inch BB size? If so, just how much can crank size vary from one forging? Thanks, S
first video was some indian guys melting spoons and rubbish into crankshafts while wearing sandals, then i got to see a super clean german machine heat treating the bearing tracks on a crankshaft and now we see the proper way of forging a crankshaft from a solid piece of steel. the algorythm is on fire tonight.
We used to make stuff like that in the USA.its a shame we can't Even make our own shoes.
Or even spell "even".
Lots of stupid, drunken opinions, though.
Hard to imagine why we can't "Kompeat".
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Blame the unions for that. They priced themselves out of jobs.
Gotta thank the politicians and their high taxes, anti small businesses politics and insane level of bureaucracy for that
When the robots revolt and take over, they're going to make *us* hold red hot metal things and ask us how *we* like it.
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Little help here....HOW do they keep the darn thing white hot thru all that processing and time? And is a forged crank the Strongest Crankshaft, or is this just a regular way to build an ordinary crankshaft? Thanks to all you wrenches for your answers! Patrick, #1 Amateur Mechanic :-)
Yeah, it seemed to stay white hot a long time. Come to think of it, my Chinese take out food stays hot longer after I pick it up than it does when I reheat it in the microwave. Hmmm.
There's probably induction heaters either in the dies or secondary ovens along the line somewhere.
The dies themselves are probably kept at a temperature hot enough to keep them from sucking to much heat out of the part but not so high as to ruin the temper on the die, they use glycol in the die to both pre heat it but also to keep it from getting too hot.
After it goes through all the steps of forging it's of to get normalized to be machined down to rough on a lathe with cutters, after that it'll go through a proper final heat treat to harden, a temper to relax to crystalline structure then back to the lathe to get ground to final dimension.
Even in a cheap Chinese knock off you still have about a hundred steps and processes if you want a part that's going to last.
It's also a really big part given a severe through heating to begin with.
I wonder what machine this is for, prob a dump truck or backhoe deff too long for a car or truck. Also i wonder what kind of metal it is 4340 like most race cranks or what. Would have been better is they told
That's a big ass crankshaft.
who ever made this video must think that we viewers are mind readers, a little explination of process would be good for us who were not born in a steel mill
Cool video, would've liked to have more of the process shown, 4 minutes was a tease.
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how much weight one metal rod...
what use crankshaft and name of vehicle...
it is inline 6 cyclinders
I see 8 journals. It's very probably a large diesel engine.
An hour later, you're hungry again!
Imagine how long it took to create the first forging machine to create better forging machines
robots making robots
The lack of safety in many parts of this process is 😮
I though the same but what do I know.
There's only one piece of safety equipment guaranteed to provide safety it's located behind your eyes between your ears and under your toupee everything else is just Hardware devices to cure a software problem .
@@thomaslemay8817 While I agree, we also all know that no matter how smart and careful a human is, they will still make mistakes. Especially when fatigued, and the more complex and taxing a process is. It is, in my opinion, the responsibility of an employer who is profiting off the labor of employees, to do everything possible to ensure their safety.
How to joining this forging company..
This must be the Eagle foundry in China
Lol, we have reversed a long way, the time it took to forge one crankshaft due to health & safety, 40 yrs ago , one man could have manually loaded that billet into the dies & produced about 5 in the time it took to produce 1 in this video
Yes Union Blacksmith, they must be on a go slow
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A lot of name brand parts are made over seas
No safety glasses, but I did notice the boss watching the employees.
Them robots don't care who is watching, they just do what they want and don't give a hoot,
What is it a diesel crank?
I think there are six throws for connecting rods - and it's pretty big, so diesel seems like a good guess. Know of any big gas inline sixes in production now?
That induction furnace was made in Newport , Wales , U.K. Best in the world.
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Really? It's unbelievable. Did you work in Brazil, Santa Luzia City, Thyssenkurpp, by Newelco? I'm working there until now. That time there was a translater, Miss Duda, between us. I was a electrician man and we started the heater.
+Anderson Luiz Martins yes I remember you , we had to reterminate the heater coaxial cables with alcohol and a blow torch. I stayed in Belo Horizonte and miss Duda was very kind.
Here's my public email, Justin.phillips652@gmail.com. We will talk some more.
HOT DAMN! They got 150 million dollars in Mega Machinery to make that little crankshaft? There has GOT TO BE an easier way, right?
Yeah but it's not like they are making just one crankshaft.
it is forged... sometimes there is a big advantage from having a part machined from forged barstock... as the barstock cold or hot rolled (a forging process applied to bar stock) will be expected to be without voids, inclusions, or other flaws.. and you will get a better part.. more durable part... but...
Additional forging as done in this video is to not only give you a part without internal flaws, and to reduce machining time by bringing the part to "near net" dimensions,... but also to produce a part with a denser material structure.. the secondary forging, of much of the part, works the same in knife making... the denser steel of a forged knife will take and hold a sharper edge than most knives that are not forged.. but there are many variables and trade offs in each case... some parts, and some parts of parts, you want to be flexible... some not.
a forged crankshaft is apt to wear longer and better than one that is not forged.. assuming all other variables in material quality, fitting of the parts that effect wear etc.... are the equal in your comparison.
the set up they have here is to do a tremendous ... tremendous amount of labor in a very short time.. with very good consistency.. and what they are achieving in the way of both speed and consistency is far beyond what could be expected from an army of blacksmiths.
i know nothing about the company, or what makes the best crankshaft,...and am not saying what they have is the best way to do anything... but... what they have is very impressive..and special.. same as any people that ever were doing anything similar..
an incredible accomplishment, knowing the hardship to overcome, fragility of, and brief nature of human lives.
Love the hard hat with fartkocker tilt at 3'50".
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Lot of Moving of that Thing
It doesn't look like serial production. Of you take so long to load a billet, you might produce 30-40 Shafts an hour. Doesn't look like serial setup
I wonder what popular american company is selling it under a well known name?
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nice process
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OSHA would have a field day in there, and at the end of the day they'd shut them down.
why do you say that?? what was unsafe?
I'm no expert, at all.
I see exposed gears, people with little or no safety gear, standing on equipment with no rails.
And the stuff they do have on, looks very clean as in unused.
well I don't know what safety gear you expect to protect someone from something that's 3000° and from a 200,000 ton press I don't know what that would be as for the railings yeah I was there's not any railings up there but it's also a 6 foot fall and sometimes additional safety gear just plain gets in the way I get my work technically the state wants us to buckle our seatbelt on our forklift every time we sit in it the trouble is in 45 years of operation nobody on our dock has ever flipped the forklift because we never lifted very high and I'm up and down on a forklift 50 6070 times a day I just don't need to put the seatbelt on
No safety glasses, no ear protection - at least for their own safety, people should wear those....
When you've got a virtually unlimited source of labour and a government that is only concerned with increasing output, worker safety is irrelevant.
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I watch way too many fail videos. I kept expecting something to drop or explode.
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It's way too big to be a Toyota I-6.
Crankshaft manufacturer name pl
I have worked at a forging company. I took the engineering drawing and estimated the weight of the finished part. Then determined the quantity of material, steel, aluminum, etc. required to make hundreds of parts. Prior to that, I worked at a heat treating company and heat treated and hot straightened crankshafts up to 16 feet long and 3 feet in diameter.
This video is either a test run or a slow operation to make the video. I can see at least 2 crankshafts making the way through the system. The system of saws at the beginning of the video appear to be able to cut 8 at time. In a production run there will be a crankshaft at every stage of the process.
I would not be afraid to work at this company.
300 million dollar machine to make a crankshaft...
That's 6 cylinder crankshaft
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oh you shaft so big and hard...
Would have been much better video if it was narrated
Adjust the camera; most of the vid is washed out to the point that the forged form is not visible.
that is for my mazda miata i asked them to film my custom crankshaft build its a stroker!
first 5 seconds and no fall protection of saftey glasses !
Safety Squints ??? :) :)
Detroit used cast cranks, much faster production and much cheaper. forged cranks are for high stressed application, like racing, and turbo engines. and expensive.
When Chevy introduced the heavy duty 292 (gas) in-line 6 in 1963, they used a forged crank, over 31" long, 73 lbs. - for one year (two, in Canada), then switched to nodular cast iron. Think maybe "expensive" had something to do with the switch?
Why is nobody wearing safety glasses?
Because… China.
Not a very modern factory. Why were there so many people just standing around doing nothing? Watched the same process in a German factory and it was twice as automated.
They are all made in China. Scat, Eagle, 440 source, most auto manufacturers.
To bad all manufacturing is done in China. Well, maybe that will change in months to come. Good video by the way.
Bizarrely slow...
LOL
I was watching a video on the Germans making a crankshaft. How they made it was by using a big lathe. The end result is the same. But, two different ways of making a crankshaft.
You have to machine it in the end but to be strong the basic shape is forged. Metal is stronger when forged.
wow that was cheap
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Ooooh that's why they're so expensive.
Don't drop that on your foot
China China
Video looks like it was edited by a six year old.....
Now I feel sick
Awww shit... mongs gonna make a shitty little car!
I did this except without the robot, it’s an awful job.
Will break with one revolution...chinese quality at its finest.
Way to slow and way to many employees
That crane is slow as shit id use a pallet and forklift
Their machinery are not accurate, poor quality
Jealousy
Everything about this screams fake proffessionalism don't be fooled by four walls, machines, and a business name, doesn't assure any amount of quality. Remember, just cause you have a $1000 baseball bat does not mean you are good at baseball ;)
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