Upper Mustang Trek, Nepal
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Part Three, the final chapter of our 35 day trek through the Nepal Himalaya. In Part One we trekked the Manaslu Circuit ( • Manaslu Circuit Trek, ... ) from Arughat to Dharapani, then we joined the Annapurna Circuit and trekked to Kagbeni ( • Annapurna Circuit Trek... ). From Kagbeni we headed north on a loop trek through Upper Mustang, before ending our trek in Jomsom over a month later.
Our Upper Mustang trek was full of highs and lows, and what felt like constantly changing plans. The first few days left a bitter taste in the mouth thanks to a lot of ongoing road construction. BUT our trek ended with 3 of the best trekking days we've ever had, taking the eastern route back via Yara and Tangge. The traditional Tibetan influenced architecture, culture and traditions of Upper Mustang left a lasting impression, too.
Join us on our trek through this semi-arid landscape, full of colourful and uniquely shaped mountain scenery, historic Tibetan monasteries, atmospheric villages, and of course the fabled walled city of Lo Manthang.
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The final part of our Nepal trekking series! Upper Mustang is completely different to the Annapurna and Manaslu regions. It has a semi-arid climate and a landscape of bizarre rock formations and fantastically coloured mountains. The customs and culture of the area are strongly linked to Tibet, and this is very much a cultural as well as scenic trek. Road building towards the border with Tibet is ongoing, and we really struggled to enjoy the 'trekking' element of this journey initially. BUT, after numerous changes of plan, we ended the trek on a real high, having 3 of the best trekking days of our entire 35 day journey! Hope you've enjoyed this Nepal series, and thanks for watching. Kim & Del
Hi. Did you make the journey whit or without a guide? I'd like to do this journey. Thanks.
@@Marioribeiroalves hi, you have to trek with a guide for this one as it’s in a restricted area. We’ve got all the details over in our accompanying blog post, hopefully it’ll help you plan! > www.goingthewholehogg.com/upper-mustang-trek-guide/
Hello. I did the Poon Hill trek in 2018 and would love to do Mustang. How did you find the going compared with the Anapurna circuit? Did you go to the gym and do cardio exercices before going to Nepal?
@@vacancesCombloux2010 Poon Hill is a nice wee trek, hope you enjoyed it! The max altitude on Annapurna Circuit is much higher than Upper Mustang. Upper Mustang, in general, is much windier and dustier, which can start to wear you down if trekking straight into it. There are a number of road walking sections too, depending on the route you choose, although this is also true of the Annapurna Circuit. Del is generally quite fit, running most days, but I rarely exercise besides when we are hiking. We had done a few other hikes in Central Asia before starting these hikes in Nepal. We have written more about each trek over on our blog, you can find more info here > www.goingthewholehogg.com/destinations/south-asia/nepal/ Hope this helps!
Im pleased you enjoyed your treks.
Ive enjoyed your video but this i was dissappointed to find had no subtitles.
I've been watched all three videos today for the first time and I want to say that you have a beautiful sense for a video arranging...also the music in all three videos are pretty cool and in my opinion it's one with the videos,so bravo for everything.I respect the effort that has been put in these videos so thank you for them.Your adventures are quite instructive,so keep up with this because you are doing well...Cheers
Thank you so much, it means a lot to us! It does indeed take a lot of effort to film all of this while trekking, and of course the actual editing of the video after! So again, thank you for your comment, we really appreciate it : )
Awesome vid and series! Discovered you guys just this week, keep up the super production value.
Thanks so much and glad you found us! We shall try our best
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Will brought me here and there was no regret.
Thanks for watching!
Hi guys, I really enjoyed this video. very good quality shots and love your spirit and determination. Also thanks for throwing light on the 'situation' in Mustang. they will be more than helpful when I make this circuit. Looking forward to watching your other videos. Thanks!!
Thank you! And yes, hope you can learn from our mistakes and have a very enjoyable trek on trails as much as possible!
I am here after Will Whereabouts vlog.
When I first looked at his vlog, there were only 2500 subscribers, but today it has reached around 70,000 within short duration. All this is against his love, respect to Nepal.
Hopefully, in this work of yours also, the whole world, including Nepalese, will love and help to globalize. Love from Nepal 🇳🇵🇳🇵🇳🇵
Thank you! We hope to share our videos with more people too. Thanks for watching and commenting!
That was incredible !
Also very honest of you both. I agree it is very dissapointing to trek on motorable roads or under construction roads. But still manages to capture the spirit and scenic landscape of the beautiful region.
Cheers to you both !!
Thanks, Badshah! Glad you enjoyed the video, and for sure the landscape is incredible. We also really enjoyed visiting the various villages. The trekking on the way back south, away from the roads, was really amazing. Thanks for watching and appreciating! Kim
Very nice, just started watching you guys! I have to say you both seemed so much happier here than in the newer videos. Much Love and keep treking!
Hi Pam, thanks for watching and getting in touch. Ah, that’s interesting. I guess it’s maybe just the different style of video that gives that impression. If you have time, the longer version of our Langtang trek (out later today) has more interaction at guesthouses and with our guide, Govinda, a few more smiles on faces and that sort of thing 😃… thanks again
@@GoingTheWholeHogg I wasnt trying to be some kind of way, I really hope I didnt seem that way! I will watch for sure, I am 64 and wish I had taken the time to travel and trek. But I can tag along with you xo
No problem Pam, it was an interesting perspective anyway. Happy to have you along for the ride 😃
You are a lovely couple and compliment each other so well. Thoroughly enjoyed this video thankyou.
Thanks, Martin! Very glad you enjoyed it.
Thank you for exploring our beautiful country lots of from Nepal ❤❤❤
Thanks for watching! It's a beautiful country indeed : )
I am very very motivate from your videos I watched all three video of nepal trek lots of love cheer guys u are doing awesome 👌👏👍 love to watch ur videos thank you keep it up
Hey, thanks very much, really appreciate it! Glad you enjoyed them 😃
Great video Guys. Inspiring!!
Thanks a lot! Very much appreciated 😃
I went to Annapurna Circuit back in 2017. This year, I was planning to go trek in Manaslu Circuit First and then switched to Dhaulagiri Circuit. I was looking at Manaslu Circuit videos and yours came up! Finally ended up watching all three parts of them.
You guys are great. I enjoyed the commentary a lot, especially the subtle punchlines and other quirky parts. My favorite part is. "What are we eating today? Daalbhat."
Best of luck to you guys.
Thanks very much. Really glad you enjoyed them. And yes we love Dal Bhat!
We would like to return to Nepal and trek the Dhaulagiri Circuit among many others. Have you done it yet or will you go later in the year?
@@GoingTheWholeHogg Oh I am planning to go there this October season. Do you guys have any immediate plan to visit Nepal?
Not immediately, we are too tied up with other things at the moment, but it is never far from the mind. Good luck with your trek in October 😃
Re-watched it today. Totally worth it 👍
Glad to hear it! 😁
Love from Nepal. Hope government officials will promote the trekking trails and Go forward with sustainable development strategy taking Tourism industry and Environment in consideration.
Thanks, Sanjay! Indeed, it would be great to see development of trekking trails and local infrastructure go hand in hand.
so many cute fuzzy dogs! they seem to be well taken care of
Yeah, it seemed to be the case!
Oh my god what the place is this mesmerising seriously
It is an incredible place, no doubt 😃
You guys are legends. From Manaslu circuit through Annapurna Circuit to the Upper Mustang. 35 days ON FOOT!! Both of you have earned my respect. Kim is a warrior. She managed to do it while being unwell. (Perhaps there was a road-free side trail on the way to Upper Mustang as well which you guys might have missed?)
Ha, thanks! Yeah, we didn’t trek the Dhakmar route because we were told not to miss Tsarang and had to choose between them. If we did it again we would choose a different route on the way to Lo Manthang for sure. But we loved the villages. And those last 3 days in the east were incredible!
Really nice filmography, Thank you for visiting Nepal ❤️
Thanks, Sunil!
Beautiful, so beautiful video.
Thank you! It's a spectacular landscape.
absolutely amazing trek.
Some amazing scenery!
Great stuff! Watched all 3 parts tonight. I'm starting to get moving on planning a trek for Autumn 2022 (Oct/Nov) after this pandemic madness is far off in the rear view mirror (hopefully). I'm aiming for the Everest/Gokyo Lakes circuit. I'm a professional videographer and so I was wondering if you had any issues getting the permit for using your drone in Nepal. I hear that doing the request isn't an issue, it's whether or not you're going to ever hear back from them! I'd just fly a 'mini' for practicality. What did you use?
Thanks James! Glad you enjoyed the videos. We haven't been to Everest/Gokyo area ourselves, but the lakes look spectacular. I believe the drone rules have changed and become more regulated since we were last in Nepal so I'm afraid we can't really shed any light on the process now, sorry! We have a Mavic Air.
beautifully shot video :)
Thanks!
Nice editing! I like the short timelapses with the ‘ghost’ effect on this one. Its really enjoyable to see you guys walk (you must have feet of steel) xD. Did you have to have a guide during the whole trip or just parts of it? And was it expensive?
Thank you! Ha, my mum just said she likes the wee ghosts too. We needed a guide for Manaslu and Upper Mustang (both restricted areas), but not for Annapurna. We just kept the same guide throughout though as it felt a bit weird to ditch him and ask him to meet us again 10 days later (although others do and we actually would have preferred the break). The permit for Upper Mustang is $500 for 10 days, so yeah pretty expensive. We'll have the full budget breakdown in the guide which will be out on the blog in the next few days!
Going The Whole Hogg Where you guys over in Nepal during the whole covid19 thing? And where are you now?
@@joannawinterdelgado No, we're super slow at getting all these videos and lengthy blog posts out : / We did these treks in Oct/Nov 2018. We've been in Tbilisi, Georgia since early March, riding out the lockdown. Heading off to the mountains here soon!
So sad to see only 890 subscribers of this exploring channel.....
Well, let’s hope the numbers go up and we’ll keep exploring!
Kim and Del, thanks a lot for sharing your experience and thoughts with us. Until watch your videos I was very keen to make the Upper Mustang trek, but needless to say that I abandoned the plan. Sad to see the "progress" coming to that place...
Hi Julio, glad you found the video useful. We certainly wouldn't recommend trekking up and down on the route that is largely road now, but the eastern route that we returned via was really amazing. Maybe you don't need to abandon the idea altogether, just be sure to plan better than us! We have more advice and route maps in our accompanying guide if you're still considering it - www.goingthewholehogg.com/upper-mustang-trek-guide/ Cheers! Kim
@@GoingTheWholeHogg Thanks Kim, Will do! I am probably going to make the Gokyo lakes and village, found very exciting :-)
बहुत ही सुंदर ... 👏👏👏👌👍💐🙏
Thanks for watching and appreciating!
Felt very bad to see that you were dissapointed with the treks and roads merging.
I really hope Nepal tourism board will do something to preserve our treking route and not hamper the tourist trek.
Anyway spend about an hour or so for your three treks. I must say you guys are brave,gallant, bold, valiant, gutsy, lion hearted, stalwart and all the existing synonyms.
Thanks for everything, travel safe and stay healthy . Lots of love
Thanks for watching our Nepal hiking series, hope you enjoyed it! Yeah, we hope that roads and trekking trails can develop alongside each other, providing infrastructure to local communities while maintaining trekking tourism. We appreciate you watching and commenting : ) All the best, Kim
Hi, I will be In Nepal next September for just 20 days. As I hear you did my three favorit treks. Manaslu, Annapurna and upper Mustang. I can do just one of them. So which one do you recommend to do? Which one did you enjoyed the most?
those stray dogs are tibetan mastiffs btw, they say nepal is poor but see guys even our stray dogs are tibetan mastiffs hahaha
And beautiful dogs they are!
Hey don't insult Tibetans calling stray dogs. They are part of our Himalayan region.
After such a long journey nothing quite feels like the local food just cooked.
Oh yes, love the food!
The background music is too loud.. i turn up the volume to hear you and the music blasts my ears
You want a pristine trekk, but always keep in mind that this forces the locals to live days apart from medical support, higher education and cheaper goods. I understand your wish for pristine nature, but it's selffish. You are just a tourist from a developed country and don't have to live there.
Thanks for your comment David. We understand your view but there are a few things we would like to clarify. In no way are we against the building of roads as a means to improve people’s lives, in fact we are all for it. There are two problems however. First, the roads themselves aren’t being sustainably built and are prone to landslides and wind erosion. And secondly, if roads are being built along trekking routes, then it’s up to the government, ACAP, and registered trekking agencies to provide an alternative for trekkers. It’s not simply a wish for pristine nature, but rather that foreign trekkers spend a lot of money to trek in Nepal (particularly Upper Mustang), and most don’t want to trek along wide dirt roads. We would hope that there could be sensible development for the local population, as well as providing and maintaining fantastic trekking opportunities that will keep foreign trekkers coming to the region, and the rest of Nepal. The trekking industry brings a lot of money to the country and provides a wide range of economic opportunities for local people. It should be possible to continue that and sustainably develop the country’s infrastructure at the same time.
@@GoingTheWholeHogg I agree with your statement that the government has to open alternatives routes as soon as they start building a car road. They managed to do so in some parts of the Annapurna circuit.
We hiked on many of those new Annapurna Circuit trails and found some of them to be among our favourites, particularly the route up to Ngawal. That's definitely the key. Development of infrastructure yes, but also protect trekking tourism and the environment too.
Hi Guys! I watched all your Nepal content👌🏼 It’s really helpfull! I’m going to Nepal next week but I still haven’t decided which trek to choose. For me it is a must to have Wi-Fi/4g/3g connection and electricity for most of the days, because I film a lot. Furthermore, I really like beautiful scenery but authentic villages and culture are more important for me because my goal is to make a short film/documentary about the different ethnic groups living in the mountains. I am sorry for the long message but which trekking do you recommend for me?
Hey, thanks! From memory, electricity wasn't a problem on any of the treks, but wifi/data connection was patchy on the Upper Mustang and Manaslu treks. More reliable on the Annapurna Circuit, but I would say this is also the least interesting of the three options in terms of the villages visited and cultural experience. Hope this helps. Have a great time whichever trek you choose! Cheers, Kim
Was you getting much protein in the food or did you have to bring something along.
Yeah it was plenty of protein in our opinion. Loads of lentils in the dal baht which is yummy and filling.
Hey y'all!! Sorry your walk was a bit crap at the beginning, but it seems you managed to turn it around!
Yeah, it ended up being amazing, thankfully! Would definitely do the trek differently in hindsight, but hey ho
Beautiful😍
It sure is ❤️
Love from nepal
Thanks for watching! : )
Another good video, cheers. It seems a shame that you are forced to hire a guide yet so many of the guides I have encountered don't know the trails or the local culture albeit that they are incredibly nice people and having a translator must be invaluable as you go further north. From Kagbeni to Marpha it's possible to stay on a trail up the hill away from the road and continues east of the river without going down to Jomsom, crossing at Chairo into the southern end of Marpha which makes a better day (just as a note for anybody heading that way) with a side hike up to Lubra with it's beautiful old Bon gompa (if you can find the old lady with the key!)
Colin Olden indeed, if we did this again we would make sure we hired a guide from Upper Mustang for this part of the trek because we really felt we missed out on a lot of valuable insights at the time (have learned a lot more doing research after). Unfortunately, our guide was changed at the very last minute and things didn’t quite turn out as we had planned. Thanks for sharing about the alternative trails. We were aware of these at the time but we were so keen to get to Marpha and explore the village that we took the quicker route on the road. I’ve written about the alternative (better!) routes in our Annapurna Circuit trekking guide over on our website.
HI - great pictures, especially the drone.. but I didn`t like the music. Was good to see what's coming up for me. I fly this week to Nepal, do the Dhaulagiri Circuit and contiue on to Mustang. I saw already what the road did to the Jomson-Tatopani part. It killed this beautiful and remote part of Nepal. Mustang won't escape it either. Therefore I want to see it now (before it gets even worser). Thank's for sharing & keep on traveling 😀✌
Have a great time, hope you can avoid the road part in Mustang as much as possible! Cheers for watching, and yeah we don't edit videos with music like this anymore ; )
@@GoingTheWholeHogg Hi every edited movie is a progress..and of course you change the style and mode. Anyway was very enjoyable and gave me new insights. 👍 👏👏
There are so many alternative trek routes from Chele to lo-Manthang skipping the roads. i don't know why you guys trek on the road instead of skip road and trekking from other side. Like from Chele you can trek to samar from Gyakar village and then From Samar you can Trek to Sangbochen from Chungsi Cave, a must-visit place in Upper Mustang. again from sangmochen, you can trek to Ghiling skipping the road and then to Ghami via Karki la, a pleasant trek plus you will see Mount Dhaulagiri. If you were with the local guide or experienced guide I am sure you had better experience.
Yeah, we know about all of these routes now and have outlined them in our trekking guide over on our blog, but unfortunately at the time we didn't have any of this information and just had to figure it out as we went. We were meant to trek with a very experienced guide who we trekked with before in Nepal, but our guide was changed at the last minute and unfortunately we ended up with an inexperienced guide who couldn't help us plan the best route.
What an Amazing scenery, landscapes and whole trek 👍🏔⛰
background music is not matching with the vlog tho , just saying 😜 should have upload local tunes or ... ! Thank you , I enjoyed 🙏 💖
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Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it. But yeah, I would edit it differently these days and use different music. Thanks for watching and commenting!
what a great Video Kim? I am just watching
Thank you! Glad you're enjoying it : )
@@GoingTheWholeHogg you welcome Kim
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beautiful my birth place
A beautiful place indeed ❤️
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I am from Upper Mustang which is also known as the Hidden Kingdom of Lo tribe. The place is famous for trekking and I also love to trek in the Himalayas. Check out the places that I had trekked till. #himalayanwanderwalkers
Thanks for watching, Rigzin. Where in Upper Mustang are you from?
@@GoingTheWholeHogg From Thinger village which is a hrs hike to the Northside of Lo-manthang. Maybe you have an idea that it is also known as the summer palace of Lo-King.
@@rigzinwangyal1952 Ah nice, we didn't make it there, but the whole area around Lo Manthang looked very nice. Wonderful scenery!
As a foreigner you should realise that those diggers and trucks are actually meant to be for the local community. We need those roads so that more Nepalese can easily access from one point to another. Just because you guys want proper trekking doesn't mean our government should drop back in development of infrastructure. As a Nepalese I utterly did not appreciate the way you both mentioned you're not enjoying it @8:10. It is very selfish of you. Really the stereotype of these privilege foreigners is absolutely offensive. We can't stay behind undeveloped forever just because you can come and enjoy the destitution.
i agree and understand you,i love trekking Nepal but you know,moderne life in France or
western modern countries,is so poor because to much artificial things are built ,we have easy life ,but only material life!!and we apreciate solidarity between people in your
beatifull country:Namaste
First of all Dogche, we appreciate you taking the time to leave such a detailed comment. However, we think that you’ve misunderstood our feelings about the construction, etc. In no way are we against the development of infrastructure. We would be happy to see better roads, facilities and services for Nepali people, particularly in more remote areas. The problem for us is that an Upper Mustang trek becomes less attractive when guides and trekking agencies are leading you along ‘easy’ routes that coincide with ongoing construction. As foreigners we had to pay $1000 USD in permit fees for the two of us to trek in Upper Mustang, so maybe you can understand our feelings of disappointment when so much of the early part of our journey was spent on the roads and amidst construction. We would like to see development continue, but in existing trekking regions alternative routes should be provided for trekkers - otherwise, trekkers will stop coming which is not good for the local community who benefit economically from trekking tourists (and not necessarily from jeep tourists). Please don’t misunderstand our criticism of trekking routes as a wish to see Nepal stay underdeveloped.
@@GoingTheWholeHogg fair point
Milan Ghale thanks for reading 👍
Awesome video, inspiring and your trek guide is very well complete on the trip. However, I've seen websites where they said that the permit is now "only" 100$, but I couldn't find any information (if you need a guide or not, or if you can go there alone). Any nepalese info website you'd know ? Or info you've heard ? Thanks !
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it and found the guide helpful! I haven't heard anything about the permit fee for Upper Mustang being reduced, and according to the immigration and Nepal Tourism Board websites it's still $500 (ntb.gov.np/plan-your-trip/before-you-come/trekking-permit and www.immigration.gov.np/page/trekking-route-and-permit-fee). Cheers! Kim
Did you need any permit to go further than Kagbeni ?
In addition to the ACAP and TIMS that you need for the Annapurna region, you also need the Upper Mustang Resricted Area Permit which is 500 USD per person for 10 days (+ $50 for each additional day). You can read more about it here: www.goingthewholehogg.com/upper-mustang-trek-guide/#uppermustangtrekpermits
Hi guys great video. At what time of year did you visit mustang?? thanks Tom
Also did you hire a guide/porter?? looking ways around to do it on my own. many thanks
Thank you! We trekked at the end of October/start of November
@@thomasjacks3060 Yes, you must have a guide for this trek as it's in a restricted area, but we didn't have a porter. We carried our own bags. We have a lot of useful info for planning the trek over on our website which might be helpful for you > www.goingthewholehogg.com/upper-mustang-trek-guide/
Which one is prettier between annapurna circuit and upper mustang
That’s a tough one Caroline, the Annapurna Circuit takes you close to snowy peaks and through impressive valleys, whereas Upper Mustang has those dry canyons with the impressive rock formations, plus an interesting cultural and historical perspective.
@@GoingTheWholeHogg thank you...
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Happy and Sad both..
Yeah, exactly. The region is changing quickly and finding a real trekking trail takes a bit more effort than before. But, our last few days on the eastern route were incredible. Thanks for watching!
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By the way, which are your editing equipment and software?
Thanks! We use Adobe Premiere Pro and a Del XPS13 laptop
@@GoingTheWholeHogg thanks.....Adobe premiere pro, how much it cost? Is it one time purchese or subscription basis?
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not everyone can trek like u.. thats why roads are necessary... dont be selfish
It's not about being selfish brother, what they said was right the road had destroyed the natural taste of the trekking route. We need roadway for the development but they have to find a different way which should be good for the both parties.
I am also a trekker I understand what u guys are saying but upper mustang is a place everybody needs to explore once in a life time... my fren is obese he cant even walk for 1hr.. so we wanna go by wheels. Yh we need both roads and trekking trails. Trekking trails is also a must and roads are also needed.
Our thoughts exactly Osaney. It should be possible to do both, in Upper Mustang and elsewhere in Nepal. That way the country develops and continues to benefit from the trekking industry.
@@ashutoshshrestha4969 we're all for that. Development of good roads along with separate trekking trails. That way everyone benefits.
@@GoingTheWholeHogg yeah. At first we were planning to trek but now we are planning to mountain bike ... For now MTB is a better choice
Wow !!! Amazing. Well done to both of you.
Really sad to hear that the upper Mustang trek is ruined by massive construction work. This used to be the most untamed trek in entire nepal.
Would be good to know a bit more about if there is any other alternative treks in the upper Mustang?
Hope you both are well and safe.
Thanks! Yeah, it's a real shame from a trekking and environmental perspective. Returning to Chhusang on the eastern route via Yara and Tangge was definitely the highlight (and no road construction!). There are some off-road trails in the west too, via Dhakmar and Ghar Gompa, which we missed unfortunately. Our detailed written itinerary is on the blog now (link in the video description) and we'll be publishing a complete trekking guide over on our blog sometime in the next 7-10 days. The guide outlines the various routes and has maps of each one too, so you can check that out for more info! I'll add the link to the description in this video once it's published. Thanks for watching! Kim
Did u see beared vulture on this area brother
I can’t remember actually!
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So nice views of mustang Nepal the land of lord buddha.
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Thank you!
RE your comments on annoyance with road building etc, I get it, frustrating if you thought the area was just for trekking. Conversely though I think you’re pretty blind to the fact that a lot of people are made poor both in terms of money, health and connections by living so remotely, and on balance there’s a lot of benefit to the local people in exchange for some ‘eyesores’ in the view of some spoilt travellers. A bit of tact about how you’re presenting the area would go a long way!
There are different issues at play here and we think you've misunderstood us somewhat. Here is what we replied to David Ka in the comments a while ago: We understand your view but there are a few things we would like to clarify. In no way are we against the building of roads as a means to improve people’s lives, in fact we are all for it. There are two problems however. First, the roads themselves aren’t being sustainably built and are prone to landslides and wind erosion. And secondly, if roads are being built along trekking routes, then it’s up to the government, ACAP, and registered trekking agencies to provide an alternative for trekkers. It’s not simply a wish for pristine nature, but rather that foreign trekkers spend a lot of money to trek in Nepal (particularly Upper Mustang), and most don’t want to trek along wide dirt roads. We would hope that there could be sensible development for the local population, as well as providing and maintaining fantastic trekking opportunities that will keep foreign trekkers coming to the region, and the rest of Nepal. The trekking industry brings a lot of money to the country and provides a wide range of economic opportunities for local people. It should be possible to continue that and sustainably develop the country’s infrastructure at the same time.
@@GoingTheWholeHogg Thanks for the reply, I understand what you're saying but disagree with your points, I don't think you can build sustainable roads given the terrain, unless you're talking about tarmac RE wind erosion, which is v expensive. As for your second point, the statement talking about sustainable development is nice, but impractical - you're annoyed at roads, but roads are the only way to connect these villages, and there's no where to put them other than in the valleys, it's either roads or no roads imo. I trekked Annapurna in 2012 and people were carrying loads on their backs for lack of roads for days to resupply villages, which didn't have access to doctors or hospitals because of poor infrastructure. Plenty of side treks away from villages can be made where you'd be right to argue for less development, but not in the middle of Mustang on a main route!
@@louis369hamps Happy to engage. As far as the development and sustainability of roads goes, we certainly aren’t experts and don’t have detailed knowledge regarding funding and investment in the area. What we can say is that we are happy to see good roads being built, the region developing economically, and local people benefitting. With regard to being annoyed at roads, that’s not really true. We were annoyed at trekking on roads. We hadn’t done up to date research and just trusted our guide and trekking company (the owner of which we’d trekked with before and known for many years) to guide us on the best route, so that was on us. Many guides and agencies have been slow to adapt to the changing reality on the ground, continuing to ply the same old routes even though roads have been built over the previous trekking trails. We don’t feel that it is impractical to develop road infrastructure alongside alternative trekking routes, and if the trekking tourism industry is to survive in areas such as Upper Mustang, it is necessary. Efforts have been made on the Annapurna Circuit to provide alternate trails, and there are already existing trekking trails throughout Upper Mustang that largely avoid roads. A bit of development (eg. bridges) could make these trails a viable option for more trekkers, ensuring trekking tourism income continues to flow into the region. The feelings we expressed in the video (both negative and positive) were how we felt at the time, those feelings changing as the days went on. Any negativity was largely related to the fact that we were trekking on roads instead of trail, not the fact that roads exist in the first place. We’re disappointed that the impression you got of us was that we are spoilt tourists as we don’t feel this is an attitude that is representative of us.
Understand how shit it must be to discover the road. I disagree with the Nepali Govt and their idea of 'development', but this has been put on them by their donors who as you know is the western world. If you look at the UK and search for wilderness, there is limited space. The agencies that are promoting 'development' are the agencies that have destroyed their own flora and fauna. The road was built by donors and my wife was invited to do a PHD on the impact of this road, as their positive agenda ofcourse. The caves are being preserved by her Aunt and thankfully that is a successful project.
Hi Paul, thanks for your interesting and insightful comment. As you have seen from the video, we were really disheartened about the nature of the road building. Obviously it is possible for such a project to have a positive impact, but we really felt that the haphazard and incomplete nature of the construction just stored up problems for the future, as well as having a destructive effect on the environment. Like the Annapurna Circuit and elsewhere, the impact of the road on the trekking experience is a separate issue that can be offset by creating/using different trails, but it seemed to us that there was no great effort made towards this by the various bodies in charge, or the bulk of trekking agencies. We would be interested to know more about who the donors for the road project are, and what if any conditions are placed on it in return for the funds. Perhaps you could shed some light on it or point us in the right direction? It’s good to hear that the preservation of the caves is proving to be a successful project. Thanks again.
@@GoingTheWholeHogg we all pay into the Conservation fund. MCAP or ACAP. But the money received is not used for the conservation of the trails or heritage. The farming of indigenous grains, building in local style or industry isn't conserves. Instead everyone eats Daal bhat which isn't a Nepali dish but was introduced to Nepal just a hundred years ago.
The roads are funded by China, India, Dfid, USAid, EU. The Nepali govt that is in power for the moment only benefits if Nepal is poor. Its been the policy since mid 20th century.
Thanks for the further insight Paul. Sounds like a sadly familiar tale of donor dependency and inappropriate use of what is meant to be conservation funds. Hopefully this may change someday.
@@GoingTheWholeHogg doesn't seem possible to change. The rich countries gain too much from the poor to become independent. But there are pockets of resistance. My friends started the first recycling plant, there are numerous ethical companies and local sustainable products being created in Nepal by nepalis. All is not lost, there is still much beauty.
There is indeed Paul, and it's those small scale, from the ground up enterprises that a country like Nepal can really benefit from. When people take control at a local level, much can be achieved... here's hoping.
You can take jeep with air conditioning all the way What’s so special about this?
There are some places the jeep can’t go, and walking gives you a completely different experience. Saying that, having to walk along the road is no fun…
ghami tsarang is not upper mustang bro its is lower
As far as we know Ghami and Tsarang are both part of Upper Mustang and were part of the historic Kingdom of Lo. They are in the Upper Mustang restricted area, which requires a permit for foreign tourists to visit.
So nice views of mustang Nepal the land of lord buddha.
Yes, it's beautiful there : )