Small Change Big Difference - F4F Phantom

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  • Опубліковано 14 лют 2023
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    Fuel: 20 minutes
    Ammo: Ground Targets
    Load out: 4x AIM-9J Sidewinders, 2x Maverick
    Convergence: 600 meters
    Vertical Targeting: No
    Crew: maxed (lvl 75) + expert
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  • @phoenix4267
    @phoenix4267 Рік тому +79

    That missile jumpscare at 12:29 tho

    • @Pouzdraken
      @Pouzdraken Рік тому

      one time that happened to me but it was an enemy I didn’t even see until then. poor guy should’ve killed me but also it was a mig so haha get fucked

    • @TeenWithACarrotIDK
      @TeenWithACarrotIDK Рік тому

      Him: “Oh no! Anyways, I’m working on-“

  • @niggalini
    @niggalini Рік тому +222

    its the Peace Rhine upgrade of the F-4F, which honestly means it should've been in buffed in guided munitions (AIM-9L's and more AGMs) because it never actually carried J's, but can't complain about the BR reduction I suppose

    • @radiofreemongoliaofficial
      @radiofreemongoliaofficial Рік тому +11

      Ah yes the op German anti tank plane in wargame

    • @n1thecaptain965
      @n1thecaptain965 Рік тому +39

      Yeah, I've been asking Gaijin for AIM-9L's for the F-4F since the MLD got added. The br reduction is the only proof I have that they haven't forgotten it exists entirely.

    • @evangalinsky2499
      @evangalinsky2499 Рік тому +35

      Trust me. This thing would be far better off at its new BR without 9L's. Give it 9L's it'll go back up and be utterly useless once again and then the same people asking for 9L's will bitch and bitch. Don't even tell me you guys wouldn't. You'll say so, but if it actually happens you guys will be the first people to bitch, I guarantee it.

    • @mab2187
      @mab2187 Рік тому

      @@evangalinsky2499 This thing has the auto leading edge slats, its right now the most agile Phantom, and the Jap EJ Kai has 9Ls now... so giving this better munition is fine. No biggy. This thing is obsolete cus of the new Gen 4s but thats what tech is.

    • @evangalinsky2499
      @evangalinsky2499 Рік тому +2

      @@mab2187 thank you for summing up my statement

  • @pig1114
    @pig1114 Рік тому +80

    Hey there DEFYN! I was the F4E at 7:30, had just gotten back to playing the game after a few months off so i’m sorry that I couldn’t give you a more entertaining dogfight ^^ now that I’ve shaken off the rust I’m sure our next encounter will be a little more spectacular ;) keep up the good content!

    • @dougalachi
      @dougalachi Рік тому +5

      Just stop.

    • @pig1114
      @pig1114 Рік тому +15

      @@dougalachi 🤨

    • @zanzao-1ps318
      @zanzao-1ps318 11 місяців тому +3

      @@dougalachi why

    • @dougalachi
      @dougalachi 11 місяців тому +2

      @@pig1114 Don't make excuses for being killed and simultaneously be a Pick Me dude asking for attention. Have some decorum.

    • @pig1114
      @pig1114 11 місяців тому +15

      @@dougalachi i think You have some issues you need to work on bud

  • @bagelmaster2498
    @bagelmaster2498 Рік тому +24

    The fact no one dodges headons is the reason I use the gunpods

  • @Kuyfe
    @Kuyfe Рік тому +1

    everything looks so easy while watching these videos of yours.I feel relaxed everytime....

  • @Buttlicker-xd6ct
    @Buttlicker-xd6ct Рік тому +1

    Thank you defyn for the videos, I always watch one before a go to bed

  • @rv2_nostalgia541
    @rv2_nostalgia541 Рік тому +8

    The happy face at the back of the Phantom was killing me lol

  • @ivanvukadin3194
    @ivanvukadin3194 Рік тому +7

    Something I love to do with the Mavericks is the send them after players who camp the airfield.
    You can launch it savely from outside the AAs range and it won't trigger RWR and can't be flared

  • @No1harris_98
    @No1harris_98 Рік тому +15

    I’ve also always wondered what defyn does at the start of the game for positioning, but I guess that’s a valid enough reasoning

  • @johntc8840
    @johntc8840 Рік тому

    Wow! Great tips in this video for new WT players. Thank for explaining what to do when an enemy is on your 6 and you have help coming in. It's very frustrating when you're the help and the teammate doesn't know what to do. lol

  • @poliznia
    @poliznia Рік тому +2

    Hey Defyn, I love watching your videos and your tips really help me out, but I was wondering if you could make a video showcasing your controls for ARB and what they do, I know that would help a lot of new players and definitely myself out. Keep up the good work dude!

  • @rasec017g2
    @rasec017g2 Рік тому +3

    Although I really don't like Jets in this game and I fully focus on props simply because I love em, I´m always willing to watch a full top top-tier video from you, just because I love how you comment on your videos.

  • @Podsy
    @Podsy Рік тому +29

    I'd say that if it comes to the positioning at the start of the battle, it also depends on the vehicle. Is your jet exponentially good at climbing like F-104? You may climb to 6km+ and then dive straight on your enemies if it wasn't an uptier. Are you in a jet with no countermeasures and there are probably SU-25s or A-6s in enemy team? Don't even climb and try flying away from the middle of the map, get around it and you may be able to get on the six of these pesky SU-25s, unless you get interrupted. When I was grinding the F-5E with F-104C, F-100D and F-2 sabre recently, every time during an uptier, I tried flanking the enemy team low, which usually either ended with me snatching some sneaky kills, not getting any, because my team stomped the enemy team or got completely obliterated, because my team was already dead. If I had got a downtier, then I'd climb to around 3km and then engage lone targets without any interference from unexpected R-60MK vibe check. The last exception was when I unloved rocket pods for F-104C, because despite it lacking flares, for some reason you can mount only one rocket pod under one wing, which gives you ~10 "flares", which actually allowed me to use the excellent F-104C climb rate despite SU-25 presence, because R-60MKs easily loose track if you shoot a small serie of FFARs.

    • @alexdurbin6603
      @alexdurbin6603 Рік тому +4

      i'm not reading allat

    • @GewelReal
      @GewelReal Рік тому +1

      youre saying something obvious

    • @Podsy
      @Podsy Рік тому +1

      @@GewelReal Well, obvious for people who already have the experience, but due to the meta at these brs changing every month, you must learn and adapt. That was at least the point of my post for people, who don't find it obvious.

    • @GewelReal
      @GewelReal Рік тому +2

      @@Podsy no, you simply never want to be the first one to the fight in ANY PVP video game

    • @Podsy
      @Podsy Рік тому

      @@GewelReal Well, that has some exceptions, and you can't really know where your enemies go.

  • @molotochnik.i
    @molotochnik.i Рік тому +1

    ykw you're just a war thunder youtuber and it's nothing deeper than that, but i do have to make it deeper and thank you for posting your in depth videos and the witty jokes you slide in time to time, it might be cringe but you're one of my fav youtubers to watch when i need a distraction or just want to be satisfied with some sick kills, never change bro

  • @vincentreim8962
    @vincentreim8962 Рік тому +2

    Finally a Video aboutF4F

  • @justasharkonland4122
    @justasharkonland4122 Рік тому +3

    Would you do a video on the Mig-17? Maybe see how it holds up nowadays as it has to face more advanced aircraft very often. I personally love the plane but I never see anyone use it anymore cause it doesn't get missiles.

  • @lukigensfm
    @lukigensfm Рік тому

    This video is great, but you know what would be cooler? A Mystere IVA video!

  • @TungstenLeek
    @TungstenLeek Рік тому +1

    was just thinking about this plane yesterday

  • @bagelmaster2498
    @bagelmaster2498 Рік тому +20

    I’m excited a bit for the f4f ice because it’ll most likely have 4 9Ls and 4 amraams

    • @fate3071
      @fate3071 Рік тому +13

      I dread the days when amraams arrive. You think the F-14 with Phoenix is bad? AMRAAM is gonna shit on everyone that isn't in a US plane.

    • @williewilson2250
      @williewilson2250 Рік тому +13

      @@fate3071 tornado adv, sea harrier, f4ej kai, f16s in like 4 different nations at least, and probably something else I forgot
      I'm just waiting for pythons exclusive to the Israeli tech tree

    • @eesangWT
      @eesangWT Рік тому

      @@williewilson2250 If Israel gets Python 3 then China will likely be getting PL-8 shortly after as it's their copy+paste.

    • @Swarmie
      @Swarmie Рік тому +10

      @@fate3071 i mean like the amraams arent that special. Russia has the r77, japan has the aam4, and im pretty sure all the other nations have planes that could just carry amraams. I think the main issue is that the maps and current team sizes would make fighting even more chaotic than it is and matches woould be even shorter and less fun than they are.

    • @williewilson2250
      @williewilson2250 Рік тому +1

      @@eesangWT I'm fine with smaller and less played nations getting better avionics to counter the lack of vehicles, china and Sweden have been slowly growing into pretty good nations
      Also hello sir :3

  • @jacksonespeut3692
    @jacksonespeut3692 Рік тому

    Intellectual genius in the chat right at the end of that last match

  • @raayanraayan2274
    @raayanraayan2274 Рік тому

    Hey defyn congrats on your 70k subs sorry for my bad english

  • @richardrains1964
    @richardrains1964 Рік тому

    Hey I have a question i was grinding the Russian air tree and out of no where it allowed me to research the whole rest of tier 3 so like 4-5 planes and i never experienced that before and i have grinded china and Israel

  • @_GODSFIGHTER
    @_GODSFIGHTER Рік тому

    Beautiful phantom especially in german camo.
    Btw may you fly the fw190 F8?

  • @nully3n
    @nully3n Рік тому +1

    i know this plane doesnt have SARH but when chasing you can do a bit of trolling if you lock on someone and fire an AIM-9 most people will interpret it as an AIM-7 after seeing youre in a phantom they start bleeding off all their speed enough for a vulcan spray, has worked for me more times than it should and its so funny

  • @theyoinkster8064
    @theyoinkster8064 Рік тому

    Hi DEFYN, I recently started grinding the USSR air tree and tried to play the LaGG-3. I didn't do so well seeing as I was completely stock, and that thing is more obese than 69% of Americans. So would you consider doing a video on it? I would be very interested in seeing how you approach flying it.

  • @RandomHui
    @RandomHui Рік тому

    I'd love to see DEFYN play the MiG-21F-13. That thing is a challenge to play when facing high-G missiles. Dunno if he'd go absolutely insane or not after getting footages for that thing.

    • @JOESWANSON1982
      @JOESWANSON1982 9 місяців тому +1

      I played like 20 matches with the 60 rounds and got 4 kills in total

  • @Lancia_loaf
    @Lancia_loaf Рік тому +2

    5:25 he meant he doesn't have a plan its all based on vibes

  • @jackhull8304
    @jackhull8304 Рік тому +1

    I’m only going through it because I’m guessing if and when the Typhoon is added it would be after the F-4F

  • @gatgat4202
    @gatgat4202 Рік тому

    that smiley face at the tail

  • @watsonwarrior8002
    @watsonwarrior8002 Рік тому

    Did you set a target point based on your followed target?

  • @Orca4135
    @Orca4135 3 місяці тому

    The fact that people don’t doge head ons is how I have somewhat managed to upgrade my F4C. Man flying the Stock F4C is torture lol

  • @coolcid8888
    @coolcid8888 Рік тому

    Would love another video on mig 23 ml or whatever that top tier Russian premium is

  • @CappeSun
    @CappeSun Місяць тому

    0:09 ok but the lil guy in the tail

  • @xslashx1908
    @xslashx1908 Рік тому +1

    I am just dying in this thing

  • @rifkys8356
    @rifkys8356 Рік тому +1

    About that geneva suggestion, if you succeed to do so, gaijoob will reward you with an assist kill

  • @redbaron8670
    @redbaron8670 Рік тому

    How does your game look so bright and vibrant ? Explosions and fires in my game (with max graphics) are much more red-ish

  • @Greasyspleen
    @Greasyspleen Рік тому

    Oh, so that's why I see people staying way left in lower rank games. But it doesn't seem necessary when you don't have to worry about missiles. I usually go more right or straight up the middle, figuring I can help spot and maybe drag a guy into a trap or flank somebody.

  • @jemand4042
    @jemand4042 Рік тому

    How did u turned the the Look of the Radar

  • @lorenzofurigo1274
    @lorenzofurigo1274 Рік тому

    Can you make the F86 A5 video? I'm trying to use it but I only lose SL doing so

  • @mochabear88
    @mochabear88 Рік тому

    nice vid

  • @zahnatom
    @zahnatom Рік тому +2

    Use the mavericks to kill the rolands on the enemy air field

  • @mikkel436
    @mikkel436 Рік тому

    Can you try the German f-84f? i simply cannot get a good game in the thing

  • @ilondon5638
    @ilondon5638 Рік тому

    Could u do a update vid on the usa f4e how it holds up in the top tier. Lmao im close to getting jt

  • @IRLFlightSim
    @IRLFlightSim Рік тому

    I just got the f4j and I get up tiered every game

  • @ThePilotFish-zx4in
    @ThePilotFish-zx4in Рік тому +1

    Im still grinding to rank 7 in my Mig 19, I really want to get the F4F but there is still the Starfighter which is just a pencil, now what I mean is that I want to get the Phantom but im really not a fan of the Starfighter, its a cool plane irl but not ingame. Im an F2P player so wish me luck XD

    • @aslatabistaalphonso4250
      @aslatabistaalphonso4250 11 місяців тому

      Same!! Me too!! I'm just using the tornado ids event ..every one day I would play it for like 4-5 matches and thats it . I've finished the ground/ helicopter for Germany.. only left is the air section which tbh is not my forte. Good luck pilot!

  • @_GODSFIGHTER
    @_GODSFIGHTER Рік тому

    11:56 i feel like the smoke there is gonna be a little trouble some to aim the guns with

  • @sparkoello2445
    @sparkoello2445 Рік тому

    Why only 4 11.7 planes? What change in matchmaking? Could anyone explain?

  • @MrTheblackopsdude
    @MrTheblackopsdude Рік тому

    Cries in F-5A at 11.0

  • @xant1521
    @xant1521 Рік тому +1

    Does it mean every f4 phantom is a bit better now? Like japanese premium or gb one?

    • @potatonamedtate6727
      @potatonamedtate6727 Рік тому +7

      No. This one is a little better due to the BR and it also has the agile eagle slats. Japan one is still 11.0 so it fights 12.0s, British J is a brick with mediocre missiles

    • @xant1521
      @xant1521 Рік тому

      I see, thanks, what about germanese jets for ground battles? Is there any good at high br? Sorry, newbie to jets

    • @stormjet814
      @stormjet814 Рік тому +2

      @@xant1521 g91r4, f4f, and su22um3k are all okay for cas

    • @xant1521
      @xant1521 Рік тому

      Thanks!

    • @Deathwing21
      @Deathwing21 Рік тому +4

      @@xant1521 "germanese" 😂

  • @ahmedsamy8557
    @ahmedsamy8557 Рік тому

    Pls make a video about the 109 g6

  • @trxstr88
    @trxstr88 Рік тому

    What do you mean "when we see you ingame?" your name is displayed as Player so how could I recognize you? ^^

    • @elbozo3214
      @elbozo3214 Рік тому +2

      You can still see his clan tag (VTE), and if you manage to get close enough without dying you will 100% recognize the wing tip decal

  • @barsakyldz1811
    @barsakyldz1811 11 місяців тому +1

    This phantom is my favourite in the game. I don't know if it's because it suits my gamestyle. I get average 4-5 kills every game after I bomb run the bases.

    • @thelegitpilot135
      @thelegitpilot135 10 місяців тому

      I need to know how you do this, I’ve been struggling so much with it
      Edit: having spaded it now, I get around 1-4 kills per game. I think it just took time, and getting the gun pods, to get good

    • @loicalex
      @loicalex 9 місяців тому

      So you have 4 to 5 Kill/Death ratio with this thing. Mmmh k

  • @goldenlolgnu246
    @goldenlolgnu246 Рік тому

    Guys i have the problem that my new planes names are weird, like the f16 name is F16a_block15-adf can soemone help me? i think its because i have a custom kill message. But how do i turn the names back normal? any suggestionSß

  • @TransportSupremo
    @TransportSupremo Рік тому

    2 mavericks, nah way maan

  • @altair3232
    @altair3232 Рік тому

    Missile simulator? fascinating. Will wait for some real video in future.

  • @konigsegg_1to1
    @konigsegg_1to1 Рік тому

    Mr defyn, would you be so kind to cover the Israeli Spitfire mk IXc?

  • @Red_Lion2000
    @Red_Lion2000 Рік тому +1

    Challenge: fly the tornado gr3 with only aim9L and see how long it takes for you to get suicidal thoughts.

  • @pirate9900tn
    @pirate9900tn Рік тому +1

    i have question why using manual engine control?

  • @ViperMasterr
    @ViperMasterr Рік тому

    Can someone explain jettison for me please?

  • @moriartyholmes8172
    @moriartyholmes8172 Рік тому

    Please poor one out for all the former 10.7 planes that are now 11.00 and seeing f16's every game.

  • @Revan_258
    @Revan_258 Рік тому +1

    Dude I play with that F4 u were in the scissors with

  • @FM-hw8yv
    @FM-hw8yv Рік тому

    I just started playing it and Defyn makes a video on how to fly it well
    Jackpot
    Although kinda surprised on why he isnt taking any bombs

    • @Kay-51995
      @Kay-51995 Рік тому +8

      Defyn
      bombs
      wut?

    • @fate3071
      @fate3071 Рік тому +6

      Defyn plays for the dogfight, people use bombs for the grind

    • @FM-hw8yv
      @FM-hw8yv Рік тому +1

      @@fate3071 ah ok

  • @pavleh4602
    @pavleh4602 Рік тому

    Nad the su 22m3 is 11.0 and it can't do anything against its own br let alone 12.0

  • @rifwann
    @rifwann Рік тому +1

    Defyn ground pounding, blasphemy.

  • @user-lc3nm2kf1v
    @user-lc3nm2kf1v Рік тому

    It need AIM-9L and stay at 11.0....

  • @mustangproluckyh.3686
    @mustangproluckyh.3686 Рік тому +2

    9ls when gaijin

    • @niggalini
      @niggalini Рік тому

      never, now that its BR has been decreased

    • @jonwinfield9193
      @jonwinfield9193 Рік тому +1

      Never. They're probably going to add the f4f ice with no amramm first.

  • @mab2187
    @mab2187 Рік тому

    I run full fuel...

  • @Skyvibes10
    @Skyvibes10 Рік тому

    Fly the I 225

    • @DEFYN
      @DEFYN  Рік тому +1

      I have twice

    • @Skyvibes10
      @Skyvibes10 Рік тому

      @@DEFYN ok can you fly it now but showing what you do when facing a whole team of Japanese...

  • @diegoplanellperea9321
    @diegoplanellperea9321 Рік тому

    one of the most planes of all time truly, i request bob semple

  • @antonmancia2096
    @antonmancia2096 Рік тому

    I use the Mavs to kill AF campers

  • @kavichauhan5728
    @kavichauhan5728 Рік тому

    Hello.

  • @PanzerSteinn
    @PanzerSteinn Рік тому +3

    DEFYN why don’t you talk about the Fucking A6-E at 10.0
    It has the best missiles
    I’m grinding the MiG-23BN and I’m losing my mind
    10.0 is a Pay-To-Win BR

    • @elbozo3214
      @elbozo3214 Рік тому +7

      Have you missed the rant about the rank 7 premiums? Lol

    • @PanzerSteinn
      @PanzerSteinn Рік тому

      @@elbozo3214 it’s annoying 😖
      They’re running the Fun

    • @rxzxqx6982
      @rxzxqx6982 Рік тому

      use mig 21 mf to take revenge on them 😂

    • @PanzerSteinn
      @PanzerSteinn Рік тому

      @@rxzxqx6982 30K RP left 😈😈
      I hope it will be good

    • @rxzxqx6982
      @rxzxqx6982 Рік тому

      @@PanzerSteinn it's good, better than F104 imo

  • @kingghidorah8106
    @kingghidorah8106 Рік тому +3

    I read people saying they're beating Mirage 2K duelists with this thing... How??

    • @rainsilent
      @rainsilent Рік тому +4

      Most likely Mirages are dumping all of their speed while taking bad angles leaving them out of energy before they can kill the F-4 meaning that the F-4 can just come around the turn and bag them. While the Mirage is a lot more maneuverable with speed when it is well below its best maneuvering speed to the point that it is just stalling around the circle it will turn worse than every other jet fighter in game. This is true for virtually every jet fighter though so don't ever get a jet slow unless you are above someone deliberately stalling them out and you know they don't have any missiles.

    • @sherlocksinha2435
      @sherlocksinha2435 Рік тому +5

      Not to mention the Airforce slatted F4's have some cracked behaviour on low fuel levels

    • @kingghidorah8106
      @kingghidorah8106 Рік тому

      @@rainsilent oh that's why I'm able to one circle it with the MiG19 when at slow speed, makes sense

    • @kingghidorah8106
      @kingghidorah8106 Рік тому

      @@sherlocksinha2435 they're great dogfighters at low fuel, but that's because on mid fuel amount they are proportionally carrying much more weight than an F-5C or a MiG19, it's like the J5N1, it sucks hard because it starts with a minimum of 30mins of fuel but once it gets on 10 minutes it can out dogfight a lot of stuff. Same for P51 D30.

    • @sherlocksinha2435
      @sherlocksinha2435 Рік тому +1

      @@kingghidorah8106 to be fair the mig 19 doesn't really like one circle fights

  • @Alonsooooo1
    @Alonsooooo1 Рік тому +1

    German air top tier is a total joke. Highest br plane is 11.3 and while every other tree (except Britain) )has a competitive top tier fighter we consistently get nothing. MLD is barely even mid, 21 bis isn't competitive, tornado is absolute dog poo. I refuse to play sim ( my favorite mode) because I'll get dookied on immediately by a f-14/f16. We need a Mig 29, or really anything competitive but bc German ground is really strong people laugh when German air mains speak out.

    • @Alonsooooo1
      @Alonsooooo1 Рік тому +2

      And trust me, from experience- we'll finally get a Mig 29/competitive jet when a f-22 premium comes out in 2032. We are consistently the last tree to get a competitive top tier jet and by the time we get it it's no longer competitive or the highest br.

    • @anrw886
      @anrw886 Рік тому

      23 really ain't bad yk, it's not super competitive definitely not but it can manage really well unlike phantom's and starfighters (Italy, Japan ect)

    • @williewilson2250
      @williewilson2250 Рік тому

      Because then you have even more mig29s fighting each other with no diversity, the only reason the f16 is somewhat kept in check is because it's given to minor nations

    • @anrw886
      @anrw886 Рік тому

      @@williewilson2250 it's literally in US tree...

    • @williewilson2250
      @williewilson2250 Рік тому

      @@anrw886 I meant the other f16s, Germany is played more than both Italy and China combined

  • @lixlivlxxxiv714
    @lixlivlxxxiv714 Рік тому

    Man I'm not having fun in this fucking thing, slow af and bleeds energy like a delta. So weak compared to Kfir or F-104.

  • @bagelmaster2498
    @bagelmaster2498 Рік тому

    See I get that it’s performance isn’t amazing but you get downtieref almost every game and you can just fly circles around people

  • @mit4c
    @mit4c Рік тому +1

    6:00 unfollowed

  • @unitariansavage8513
    @unitariansavage8513 Рік тому

    I hate these missile thunder videos. Every time I see one in my notifications I have to stop what I'm doing and watch it muted in the background to boost the algorithm.

  • @mati-sq8ru
    @mati-sq8ru Рік тому

    first

  • @HeyBigChriss
    @HeyBigChriss Рік тому

    Of course they buff everything but the US version once again showcasing the Anti US bias in the game.

    • @lazaroreyes3675
      @lazaroreyes3675 Рік тому +2

      tbf, the f14 is still fine, the APG-66 on the F-16 is the hardest to notch in the entire game (but the 7M's habit of not caring about radar locks and deciding i wants to hit anything but the target is pretty annoying, also the fact that if your going mach 1 the F-16 magically becomes an F-104), the A-6E is there having 4 AIM-9L's at 10.0 facing planes that doesnt have any flares at all, also there are alot of undtertiered US planes like the XP-50, F-89B/D, P-51H, and F2G. So i dont really think theres an anti US in war thunder.

  • @andre232323
    @andre232323 11 місяців тому

    Worst F4 ever made