[High IQ] Slow is not always dumb - on the contrary
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My experience as an intellectually gifted person on how being "slow" can be a sign of high intelligence. Also very relevant for Aspergers, autism spectrum, ADHD, et cetera.
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I had the same experience. Thinking and planning require time, I believe other people are way too impulsive and in a rush.
Exactly. Disastrous. And in general the less intelligent, the more self-assured people tend to be, which makes it a few times worse.
Abel Abelson Yes, it is the Dunning -Kruger effect.
@@joseph499 Exact. There have alsobeen studies that proved that those people who considered themselves to be best at multi-tasking were actually the worst. And the same for speedreading (actually the faster they read, the less they knew about what they had read but they weren't aware of that).
This happens to me too often. The person thinks I’m slow but in reality I’m actually taking my time to think things through and be as precise as possible. I’d rather be slow and have the right answer than be fast and give the wrong one.
Yes, exactly. To me a sign of higher intelligence, but definitely a minus on an IQ test of course, and in the general perception of people. (Although in the long run they will tend to see you as more wise than the fast shoot-and-miss people).
Maybe try telling them this as a prefix to your message you need time to formulate. "Do you want the 10 second answer or the 8 hour one?"
Honestly same like especially in situations that have a set time limit I spend a lot of time weighing my options and possible outcomes
Slow means more data being processed for better pattern creation, fast has its purpose for survival reasons.
Yes, good summary.
When I think mathematically, I was always slow, because during the time I was thinking, I was thinking about the possibilities, what the structures are, and in math there are a lot of similar structures and school just dumps them all in ur brain, if I want to think I must know what and where it is from, and what it’s based of, school only teaches us on how and not why, and where do in all the lessons I completely get confused
Yes, that's so irritating and frustrating, exactly as you say, how but not why. Recipes but no understanding...
I feel You
Same, I need practical experience to learn these things, exposure to odd problems to fill those holes in my knowledge.
Wow, just EXACTLY my experience!! Never met people thinking exact the same :o
People often speak as if IQ is a fixed number that follows the individual around throughout life like a Social Security Number. This is a silly notion and makes about as much sense as claiming that your body temperature is 97.9 because a thermometer once registered that particular number for you on a doctor visit 10 years ago. What is actually true is that people have an IQ range that, depending on the content of the particular test (numerical, spatial, verbal, analogies, matrices, etc.) and the circumstances in which the test is administered, may vary by 15 points or more. I, for example, barely missed the Mensa cutoff on their proctored test (top 2% of the general population). I then discovered that Mensa accepts the Miller Analogies Test, so I took the MAT. On the MAT, not only did I qualify for Mensa, I also qualified for Intertel, which has a 1% cutoff (approximately IQ 136 minimum). But, I was not finished. I read about a couple of 99.9th percentile societies (I.S.P.E. and the Triple Nine Society) which, at the time, both accepted the Terman Concept Master Test (CMT-T), a high-level test of verbal intelligence developed by Professor Lewis Terman at Stanford University. I took (under supervised conditions) the CMT-T and scored above the 3rd standard deviation threshold (approximately IQ 148). The point of this comment is that IQ is not a static number that one might confidently stamp on a driver’s license as in the case of, say, adult height.
Very interesting! That's bad news for psychology, if even IQ is this fluid and unreliable, then what could psychology measure? Big five personality traits?
But hey, there's also a chance that something went wrong with your first test. And that in order to get an solid IQ (a number that you can put on your ID alongside your height) you just need to be tested a few times (in order to remove noise). What do you think?
I'm particularly interested in reading about the early studies that established that IQ is something we can measure. Had the science been done right we wouldn't be discussing anectodal evidence.
Interesting, but I don't think it's a good thing how IQ changes according to the test you're in. If you did another MENSA test chances are you'd score something withing 5 points range from what you did last time.
So yeah, it depends on the test. I think people should find a common test which is the most "reliable" one.
But I don't know, this is very arguable
Jordon Peterson's touched on this, its a really good indicator just like the price of a computer is a good indicator of it's quality.
@@reinojorsico4575 it's like saying " i don't think all thermometers are accurate, so there should be a more reliable one" lol. The point is thermometer can never be accurate, and you're saying there should be a accurate one LOLL. It is not arguable because result of measuring IQ is multi variable of every kind. Good luck arguing with that.
'You are very good at confusing,' that is the typical one that I get.
Haha, yes, good one. Just because you point out the many possibilities, probabilities and aspects that all have an influence... But of course, seen from their point of view, it *is* confusing of course. So in a sense they're "right", not in the sense that what you say is in an absolute sense meaningless, but in the sense that the experience they describe (being confused) is correct. The only thing is that they, of course, put all the responsibility for this on you, while (theoretically speaking) it could also be described by them as "I can't follow this, I'm incapable of taking into account as many aspects as you do".
I work in a field alongside lots of gifted people, and I moved from a job that generally required less complex thought. I’ve noticed how many gifted people take longer to make decisions and respond to questions, and their solutions are solid to the problems they’re given. I don’t think their thought processes are slowed down, but their willingness to take action is until they have a good solution. This is compounded if they aren’t good communicators or very social. They may give long, drawn out answers filled with background information to a solution, when the asker wants a fast, concise answer. Or the opposite: a fast answer, missing lots of pieces that’s needed to answer a layman’s question. It’s interesting how different minds work!
I agree, it takes years for even the most top of the line mathematicians to figure out the hardest math problems. Understanding is most important
Oh my god. There’s so much information I’ve come across over the years that resonates with me, but it feels like everything I’ve watched thus far has not explained my nature with such clarity. I’ve never felt so understood. Real logic that backs my lifetime of behaviors and ways of thinking. I remember one time some typically nerdy smarty-pants Chinese kid in my Psych class in high school pointed me out during an exercise of each of us completing a maze on paper. He raised his hand and asked the teacher in front of everyone why I was so slow and not finished yet when everyone else was. I felt embarrassed and inferior, yet my principle was so strong to complete the maze with integrity, not to lift my pencil up, not to backtrack, and complete it neatly and orderly. Everyone else’s goal was to be the first to finish. One of countless examples. As I’ve seen for a long time, the world is not only off, but as I see it, the exact opposite of natural law. Okay, I kind of want to apologize for replying once again, as it’s probably too much to keep up with all the responses you get on your channel. Thank you from the bottom of my heart, once again. This kind of affirmation and deep understanding of self has always been of utmost importance to me, but even more so of living an entire life of being told I’m defective. Thank you. 🙏🏽
I like how you say “things are done too fast or too stupidly”. Lol, this is so true.
ok this one is relatable, I always feel slow, and I've been told all of my life that I overcomplicate things. at least I decided to study engineering, it suits me a bit better. I dont think I'm gifted but it feels good to listen to someone else talking exactly like I do when I try to explain my way of learning and thinking.
My whole life I thought I was left behind people and it was, and still, frustrating. Things were just too fast for me...
Left behind in what way? If you mean generally career and success wise, most people are striving for wind , not that that's a bad thing.
Being able to make decisions quickly is more about knowledge and preparation than raw processing speed or ability, in that the processing has already been done.
I can relate to that. For me it's normal.
Yes, this. I found this video by searching high IQ but slow processing. I think slow processing is the wrong description because my mind is moving very quickly but just very deeply analyzing every possible avenue and outcome. I make connections that others just can’t. I think never accepting anything to be a “correct” way of doing something also adds to the extent of which a person can and will analyze. People who stay in the realm of accepted reality can come to conclusions much faster but I believe a hasty decision is an irresponsible one.
Couldn't agree more. Have a look at my video "The two types of intellectual giftedness" (ua-cam.com/video/OmbEaBfzKFk/v-deo.html) and see where you find yourself in terms of prenatal testosterone, might be very illuminating or at least an interesting angle of reflection.
That's normal in a intellectual gifted person, I believe you need time to process the information. Like for example when making a critical or big decision. I believe the fast pace decision is just a reflection of the world we are in when everyone expect everything to be done in an instant, along with instant gratification in a world that likes to make swift decisions...
Very recognizable. I feel that not to multitask gets the same reaction.
I will say that I used to be this way, but I have learned that it is useful to be decisive because a lot of things do not need to be so ultra precise. The trade off between speed and precision must be considered, but there is not point in taking an infinite amount of time to choose what to have for lunch. With that said, I do agree that when someone is jumping the gun for an important decision when all possibilities should be considered has been and is still is frustrating for me to this day.
I usually avoid doing things that have a time limit on to it because I know I probably won't perform it as well as required.
I have described myself as an ent from Lotr. They're the animated trees in the movies. I have a tendency to think things through and I have been known to relish joy and serenity for a bit to long. great video. we, the time takers really appreciate it.
My 9 year old daughter seems slow, she needs to deeply understand things. She understands how to draw for scale and symmetry, which has made her drawing improve in an extremely dramatic way, to the point that her classmates had to witness her draw to believe she could draw so well. She taught herself from watching UA-cam videos. I think school is challenging for her, but at the same time, i do believe the culture at her school is healthy. Fingers crossed.
Thanks, Abel. Indeed. If it’s about relatively minor decisions with minor consequences I don’t mind. But when it comes to making decisions that have a significant impact I despair seeing others making rushed and stupid decisions just because they are in the position of authority. My middle name should be ‘I told you so’, but they would just not learn even after bad unintended consequences that I had foreseen occur. I think that it mostly a matter of attitude.
I get told I over complicate things too much by my flatemate and its really annoying when he says it. I still make stupid mistakes though🤦🏻♀️. It is comforting to listen to a very intelligent person.
Thank you! I make stupid mistakes too :) Even worse, I have to do everything bad at least once, or at least that's how it seems to me. (I think other people perceive me as if I do everything well, though).
@@Abel.Abelson Thank you! Glad to know I am not alone 🙈😊
@@Abel.Abelson I think, I have finally figured out meaning of gifted vs genius/innovative. I confused these two a lot b4
totally true, the only problem is paralysis for analysis.
What do you mean by "paralysis for analysis"? Like freezing up while you're thinking?
@@Abel.Abelson a creative/intelectual people have many ideas/paths, and sometimes is hard to choose one and go for it.
@@gatitoestepario7547 I totally agree on that!
@@Abel.Abelson he means "paralysis by analysis"
1:10 "You complicate things too much" god, I have heard that a lot to me and i often say to my self. But sometimes just do the simple and sustancial things is more intelligent than let your brain fly away.
This is nicely reflective
Richard Feynman also described himself as a slow learner. (Or something like that)
Yes, he said he couldn't remember very well. He perfectly understood the difference between knowledge and understanding. I love this article about him: bigthink.com/neurobonkers/how-to-use-the-feynman-technique-to-identify-pseudoscience
Excellent description of the experience.
Very good video and describes my situation. People call me slow but i often think of many possibilities and options before coming to a conclusion.
Daniel Kahneman comes to mind, and also people with HSP think slower because they perceive the world at a higher level and process information at a deeper level.
2nd most common sentence I heard "this is no discussion of principles!!" bc I always tried to get to the BOTTOM of a problem and changing the fundamentals to achieve the highest possible benefit or a REAL benefit at all ^^ discussing a topic on its surface level often doesn't lead to any significant or rather relevant change but people just were triggered and exposed themselves as very dumb with such a statement and even don't see it XD
And it's even worse when thinking with the small head.
I think you have described how I have felt most of my life.
100%right with that part that if you want to explain something analytical outloud it obviously its gonna be slower and for other ignorant people... Would say ugh hes dumb hes to slow poor guy but honestly it feels so much better to think that way than thinking so fast if you think so fast maybe your not experiencing that much so alot of people will not know .. like when thinking slower i also see and feel those possiblities for the future. Sometimes i dont like it ... I try to think like a normal person and react like one because of my friends i might be in a diffrent cable but doing so it brings me to their level and turns me down and and make me feel like they're the smart ones and i hate that !! Thats why problems happen and they ask themselves why and iam like 😪
Thank you. Amen.
I don't exactly consider myself "intelectually gifted" but I'm the kind of person who gets more stuff wrong because of "dumb mistakes" (like getting a simple sum wrong) than because of not knowing how to solve the question and I can relate. Sometimes it just takes time, specially because sometimes impulsivity stops you from properly reading the question.
I wonder if high IQ people have paralysis by analysis? Yes sometimes things need to be thought out but other times one needs to make quick or even split second decisions. For the most part it's probably good to be somewhere in the middle. I remember that Vinny Colaiuta who is one of the best drummers ever said that thinking is the enemy of flow/improvisation. Andre Agassi's dad used to tell him as a kid to stop thinking or else he will never be a great a player.
Dang! I love this chanel i overthink stuff quite a lot and i might be slow but i am also intelectual gifted.
This is off topic, but I was wondering what your thoughts are on the Myers-briggs personality test, if you've heard of it? I've found it very interesting (I'm an INTJ) and relatively accurate, and looking through some of your videos a lot of them have to do with the ways different minds work. Just curious what your opinions are on that, and if you haven't heard of it I would suggest checking it out.
Hi, thanks for your comment! I have heard of Myers-Briggs and did one too a long time ago, I was IN-something :) (can't remember). It seems that nowadays most academics think that only tests based on Big Five are really valid (or useful). I did a Big Five (free online) some time ago, it was interesting (I think it was this one: bigfive-test.com/). I found it to be a lot more detailed and nuanced than Myers-Briggs.
@@Abel.Abelson Cool, I'll check it out
To be even more accurate, intj like all other temperament combinations are all derived from the four basic entities or temperaments that exist in all of us to which after 44 years actual study, I say this is the lowest common denominator.
Phlegmatic
Melancholy
Choleric
Sanguine
My predominantly introverted friend with a more material or Newtonian perspective
Melancholy, phlegmatic, choleric equates to a highly cerebral outward functioning as opposed to theoretical.
Have you considered engineering or surgery
Intj equals melancholy phlegmatic as predominant and secondary, a true introvert,?
My IQ is only 130 (two standard deviations from the 100 average) but I totally agree with that.
I'm slow I've heard because I need time to think careful about the information I'm given so I think my brain takes longer than another children to process the information
What about learning? I heard someone say that it might take longer for gifted people to learn because their "blueprint" for building a structure of associations is much larger. This could make them special needs? I know several high iq people who learn rapidly though.
Well, there's learning in the sense of memorising (facts and recipes) and there's understanding. Really, profoundly understanding takes a lot of time, even for seemingly simple things, because once you start digging into the why's of the why's, it'll take time and mental effort. Memorising goes relatively quickly but has as such nothing to do with understanding. This distinction is rarely explicitly made however, so when people talk about learning they mix things up and one can say she learns quickly while the other slowly, but to understand what they're talking about you have to dig deeper 😉.
good video!
I am on the road to find if I am intelectually gifted, so I really recognized myself on this video, just like every single video of yours (congratulations, btw). With that being said, ok, I think slowly, but for me to get adapted to the Market, I need to make decisions faster. So I would like to know about you: can you recommend me something? Honestly, I don't really know what I need. And I apologize for the broad question, already...
I think you have to "own" your slowness, so to speak. If others are naturally fast, let them be fast, it'll probably also mean that they make many mistakes. You can be that one person that thinks slower, doesn't jump into a conversation, but when you speak, it has value. That's rare, and much appreciated once you get to be known like that. But you'll have to really realize profoundly that faster is not better, the leopard is not better than the turtle, unless the turtle tries to outrun it of course (although many "fast" people will try to use their speed and your lack of speed to put you down, which is why you have to "own" your characteristics instead of being ashamed of them, and not be confused by them).
@@Abel.Abelson it makes a lot of sense! Thank you! But seems like I still have a lot to do. The people who talk a lot are very intimidating and hard to deal with (for now). I am a teenager, the age where the girl I like, for example, likes the guys who talk a lot. So it will not be easy, but I still think that your ideia is the best... It takes a deep self knowledge to start loving this characteristic.
Oh, and please do not stop posting! I love your videos, they really, really, really help me! I am not in any kind of groups with intelectually gifted people, so I actually feel very.. alone.
Just curiouse, do you think visually before you talk?
Most people don't get that a nothing is ever all good or all bad, every decision, every technology you introduce into society will have good and bad impacts and it is hard to see what they will be.
Take the car everyone thought that cars were great and the more cars we have the better, now we are constantly trying to address the side effects of the car on society with ideas that themselves have negative side effects i.e. more and more roads.
No one seemed to think about the effect cars would have on cities if you kept adding more and more of them, their logic was car = good, therefore more cars = more good.
Exactly. I notice this also with eg. organic food and healthy food. Some organic food is healthy, but some is not, even though it's perfectly organic (it may eg. be full of organic white sugar and organic fat, and give you diabetes or bad cholesterol). Some healthy food is organic, but some is not. Most people can't handle even such a simple thing. They'll ask "so, is organic food good or not"? And if you answer, "it all depends", they go in data overload. They're actually very binary, it's either "good" or "bad", and it stops there.
@@Abel.Abelson yes instead of the nonsense we are taught in school we could all at least learn Socratic dialogue. I don't care who you are you can learn it because it is natural to ask questions (and especially natural for kids until school beats it out of them). People think that philosophy is a waste of time but can you imagine how profoundly better society would be if people questioned more with the intent of getting to the truth, how much suffering and how many terrible mistakes could be avoided. Taking the time to make the right choice (and thus increasing the number of good choices) would radically change this world for the better.
@@sparksmacoy Every kid asks questions, but they're very different in nature. Some ask "how does it work" (the researcher/scientist/engineer), some ask "what is it" (encyclopedic thinking, categorizing), some ask "can I have it"(materialist/consumer). I see those as very different ways of neurological functioning. And although every kid asks questions, I think only some are naturally inclined to Socratic questions, or would be talented in learning them. What do you think?
@@Abel.Abelson Yes I agree some people have a greater talent for logic and learning than others but I have seen instances where 'smart' people are so convinced they are right (because they usually are) that they don't question their assumptions, whereas someone who is a bit less gifted and more humble will ask the question 'but if that is true then why...". They will ignore the risk of ridicule and occasionally those people have a good point. They ask the question because they are humble but won't conform to the consensus view if they see a hole in it. Many smart people who have been through the school system turn into conformists because they are used to praise for being right and are terrified of being ridiculed for being thought of as wrong. Science is full of these sorts of people and it usually takes a very brilliant person to stand up to them and change the consensus view.
@@sparksmacoy A lot of that might coincide with masculine/feminine brains. Masculinity (higher (prenatal) testosterone) goes together with overconfidence - not questioning their own assumptions, and systemic thinking. I think in science, as in everything, there is a mix of masculine and feminine brains (high and low prenatal testosterone), where the feminine brains open up the stuff and make entirely new connections or paradigms, but also tend to be non-dominant and doubtful of themselves, and the masculine brains are the systemic ones, who stand with the system of the moment and are overconfident and dominant and thus ridicule other lines of thought. I also think many times masculine brains appropriate the new ideas launched by feminine brains (of co-workers, PhD students, etc).
And as they say, science advances a funeral at a time ;)
i don't know if it's the high IQ or something else but i experience these things like i see things differetntly and that's why i want to take a mensa test because that would give me a reason why i am the way i am xD i did the online test it showed me 125+ but i just hope it's true. If not than life will just go on knowing that i might be just stupid thinking that i had a higher IQ :D
The most important thing is not high IQ or not, it's to observe and accept this difference as a reality that very probably has profound and real neurobiological roots. In other words, you're different, and the difference is real and probably biology-based. Accept that and integrate it in your life and things will become a lot clearer and easier.
At the same time, you can do an IQ test just for the heck of it, if you take it that way, no harm done either way.
Do smarter people tend to be Vegan? Just wondering your thoughts.
God's mills grind slowly but very fine......
Is it just me or does this guy have blue eyes? like fr
Can someone intelligent not be good at maths?
That depends completely on your definition of intelligence. I definitely think so, personally. Maths are heavily overrated as a measure of intelligence.
Abel, were you able to say thank you to the website owner who listed politicians' actions? If not maybe I could help locate them (email/sm). Would need a partial URL or 8+ keywords you can remember on site and top level domain or country's TLD and any other info you can recall RE that website that 'altered the trajectory' of your life. =)
Thanks for the offer, that's really kind, but I don't think I could furnish any of that information, I'm afraid.