That Time the Portuguese Brought an Inquisition to India | History of Goa | Portuguese Empire
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- In the mid-1500sCE, the Portuguese Empire established a Catholic inquisition in their Indian colony of Goa, imposing strict laws and punishments for the "heretical violations" of both native Indians and Portuguese settlers alike.
The Portuguese Inquisition in Goa remains a relatively unknown story, however.
The persecution hell created by the Portuguese not only oppressed the residents of Goa for nearly three hundred years, but also ocost them their trade advantage vis-a-vis other European powers.
This is the story of the Portuguese Inquisition in Goa. Hope you enjoy!
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It's also worth pointing out that Afonso d'Albuquerque made laws for the integration of Portuguese in Goan society, most times against the church. He gave financial incentives to Goan women who married Portuguese men and applied strict punishment to any Portuguese who hurt a Goan. This because, although bloodthirsty, Albuquerque was pragmatic to know he had to do nation building and diplomacy with the little manpower he had. It was when he left for voyages that the priests terrorized the population, Portuguese included.
Didn't know about that pragmatic side to Portugeuse rule, speaking of Afonso, do you think there should be made a video made talking more about his contributions to the Portugeuse Empure/ do you know of any other famed European adventurers who ventured to India.
@@mylesjude233 Filipe de Brito e Nicote is famous for making his own pirate kingdom, the duality of Francisco de Almeida's sense of duty and Afonso de Albuquerque's wrath, Lourenço de Almeida (Francisco de Almeida's son) and his death in the Battle of Chaul (which led Francisco to say "F it" and took his entire fleet to conquer Diu in 1509), Duarte Pacheco Pereira winning a siege with 450 soldiers against 70,000 Cochinise in the Battle of Cochin, the Battle of Mallacca which was already covered here, André Pessoa killing various samurai in swordfight in the Madre de Deus incident, Pêro da Covilhã's journey to Goa (considered the Portuguese Marco Polo). Off the top of my mind, those are a few.
It's important to understand the trader and explorer class was in constant conflict with the noble and religious class. Albuquerque taught his men Swiss tactics of phalanx and arquebus to preserve manpower, while nobles often charged to battle with no discipline cause they believed they were blessed by God or would be martyrs anyway. King João II, the one prior to Manuel, had Jews and minorities in his court as mathematicians, advisors, etc. The church was the thorn in the flesh that interfered with the trading, tolerance and cosmopolitanism.
@@miguelsomething Nice picks, in terms of European adventurers worth researching, I would recommend the likes of Claude monet ( help with the building of lucknow), as well as Begum Samru, who was a influential ruler of sardhana, who was seen as a frequent ally to the failing mughal empire from British assaults. Last question: Outside of vindaloo, do you know of other food exchanges the portugeuse did with India.
@@mylesjude233 The chili pepper was brought to India by the Portuguese from Brazil and Mexico. Without the Portuguese, spicy curry wouldn't have been invented. In Japan, Tempura comes from Têmpora which was the food Portuguese missionaries ate during Lent.
I am a Hindu living in Karnataka but every year we visit Goa as our family temple is still situated there.
I am greatly in debt of my ancestors for making this decision of preserving our culture and Sanskriti.
Greatful? Ur ancestors left Goa.
I come from a Goan Hindu family, and my ancestors escaped Goa thankfully.
Mine too they came to ratnagiri and finally moved out to new Zealand
@@allahlesboslu2_9 are you in New Zealand?
Finally found someone from my community randomly on internet, nice
Kamats r still there in Goa ....Many have served in Portuguese regime....And they speak fluent Portuguese too ...
@@antoniosaldanha3294 yup only few came here in Karnataka and Kerala
There is an African community called siddis, they were African captured slaves that escaped from Portuguese sailors that ran into the dense western ghat jungles and are now settled in yallapura in uttara kannada, karnataka.
Yep! Check out my Malik Ambar video for more on that community :)
Yeah. They represented India in the Olympics as well. Really great athletes,but that was discontinued due to racial profiling.
@@jonsnow1055 really? Lol
@@vishwanathiari what was the "Lol" for ? Sorry, i don't underatand
They're in Karachi; Pakistan as well. Particularly in an area of it called Lyari
I had no idea this was a thing. India has such a violent and tragic history especially when looking at the colonialism era. Great video as always!
Thanks Robin! It was truly a tragic moment in history
India was ruined by Ashoka's useless policy of non violence.
@@angrymanwithsillymoustasche That was 1800 years before this.
@@srinathd1096 civilizations don't fall in a day
@@angrymanwithsillymoustasche that's true , Ashoka without Chanakya is nothing , it's actually Chanakya he is master mind .
Many such things like this, were hidden from history books in India
@Nyet Matchbox Sadly in India it was hidden by Indians only, after independence so called liberals occupied academia in our country and wrote history which would suit their narrative
@Nyet Matchbox True my friend
Hidden? Not every historical detail is important. This history to most Indians except for Goa is insignificant
Goa's culture is amazing. More than just beaches and bikinis as many people think. Here you will find Christian and Hindus celebrating each others' festivals with equal pomp and gesture. If there's feast in the town , you will find Hindu homes serving amazing meals to visitors. Here you will find Christian folks visiting " Devchar's " shrines ( devchars are village dieties) to pray for their protection. That's the beauty of Goa. Where you will find such a place. If you know such a place please do comment me:)
Not hidden, it's just that you people are not interested in reading outside your delhi-centric history syllabus.
You'd find many Brahmin houses bearing Goan surnames in the Agraharas around the Shiva temple in Gokarna (Karnataka). I guess they have been the descendants of Goan brahmins who escape Goa during the persecution.
what surnames do they have? I've met Indian Christians with Hindu sounding first names and European last names, like Sushil Thomas.
Yes lots of people fled Goa for Karnataka,even today they visit their old temples in Goa
@Rahul My friend is from India, and he said that "Desai" is a Gurujatti name for Brahmans and not Goans.
Absolutely!
@Rahul all Goan Hindus r not Saraswat Brahmins u idiot we r majority Kshatriya Bhandari and Maratha and Gaud too
Saraswats r just 1 community and there r Maratha Dessais too
Fact: When the Portuguese discovered the magnificent Elephants caves located near Mumbai, instead of preserving, they used the idols and walls for target practice with their new guns and destroyed hundreds of idols which were more than 1000 years old.
source?
@ꅏꍟꍏꌚꍟ꒒ sorry but I dont support reconstruction. If it was remade, people would claim that the temples were never destroyed and catholics are peaceful.
@ꅏꍟꍏꌚꍟ꒒ Look at Gyanpavi mosque and how some people deny that a temple ever existed there.... people will 100% whitewash the crimes. Also government would just demolish and rebuild instead of reconstructing by mixing old with new.
The monuments and caves were already desecrated during the Sultanate rule, according to the Persian inscription on a door that leads to the grand cave.
XAVIER AND THE REST OF THEM WAS GIVEN SAINTHOOD FOR THEIR "GOOD WORK". IRONICALLY XAVIER IS STILL REGARDED AS A GOOD BY GOAN CHRISTIANS.... BECAUSE THE CHURCH HAS MADE HIM A SAINT... ALSO THEIR IS A FAMOUS ART COLLEGE IN MUMBAI IN THE NAME OF "SAINT XAVIER".
I find it extremely sad that most Indians themselves don't know anything about this episode of Indian history.
Thank you for talking about controversial topics.
Indians need open discourse on these things.
Because these things are not included in text books because there is an informal deal with colonial British or atleast that's the rumour.. rumour has basis since indian history is written by Marxist leaning people they don't have any particular love towards Catholicism..so rumour might be true and it is understandable also.. British wanted religious colonial past to be hidden so that Christian minorities won't be question in those terms.
Because it were Hindus who went through all the pain
I only got to know about this last year, these types of episodes are not added to history books
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Mororn! When molten lead was poured onto the ears of Sudras for hearing Vedas??
@@francablou7978 , hey ( v a t ic an) (s l a v e) mind your language. Coming from a religion who's hand is full of blood in past, now laughing on others.
Fanaticism of Portuguese was the sole reason why their power didn't grow in India. Indian rulers always battled with Portuguese and even raided goa many times to punish Portuguese. Comparatively British were far more liberal and that's the reason they were successful in India.
Yep, and the Dutch also took a more open and liberal approach, which is why they were more successful than the Portuguese!
@@francablou7978 fake
@@francablou7978 There is no scripture of authority I repeat NO SCRIPTURE OF AUTHORITY in hinduism. You cannot quote a line from a book and judge hinduism.
@@SanthoshAllenki There may be no authoritative scripture in Hinduism, but there are certainly authoritarian Hindus. They have been on the rampage since the fascists came to power.
The British East India Company was aware that missionaries could cause trouble so they kept an eye on their activities. However there was constant pressure in Britain to let them off the leash.
My ancestors were goan Hindus
And I am grateful that they escaped this hell and safely came Into Karnataka
They left Goa because of Tipu Sultan's invasion. That is why not only Hindus but even Goan Christians left with them to settle in Karnataka. Today, the Konkani population in Karnataka consists both of Goan Hindus and Christians.
They settled in bijapur sultanate not karnataka.
Don't worry, your present government is making life hell for all non Hindus! Congrats on revenge
@@mikhail322 karma
Same. I am Konkani Catholic. My ancestors were converted to catholicism but went to Mangalore.
The Portuguese had some kind of influence in Kerala (i think the cochin dynasty).Upon reaching kerala they were suprised to find an already existing ANCIENT christian community called the Nasranis (St Thomas Christians).The Portuguese called the Nasranis "heretics" and burned our historicals records ,books and literature and forced the nasranis to adopt Catholism version of Christianity.The Portuguese caused the nasranis to divide themselves into various factions( jacobites,orthodox,catholics etc).To this day those divisions exist and there are 8 divisions within the Nasranis today.
Yep! Thanks for providing additional information 🙏🏽
The Portuguese had a major influence on some communities in Kerala. Their army attacked Jews and forcibly converted Nestorian ("Syrian") Christians to Roman Catholicism.
After the army left the ex-Nestorians had no priests, so they applied for help to the Patriarchs in the Middle East and most of the "Syrian Orthodox" ended up as Jacobites: which was for Catholics the opposite heresy to the Nestorians.
The Portuguese took away the Syriac books and manuscripts for "correction." Many were probably destroyed, either in India or after archiving in Portugal. So a lot of history has been lost.
@@faithlesshound5621 nestorian Christianity still exist
@@rebeccaanderson5626 Sure, but Nestorians are outnumbered now by Jacobites in India.
I don't know if there is still scope for researching that side of Indian history in the archives of Portugal and the Vatican, even without the Inquisition's records.
"As soon as I arrived in any heathen village..when all are baptized I order all the temples of their false gods to be destroyed and all the idols to be broken to pieces. I can give you no idea of the joy I feel in seeing this done" - Francis Xavier
Christians in India consider him as "Saint". Major educational institutions of Christians are naned after him
I don't understand why every one in the past just played along instead of revolting when these things were done!
@@SangitA Today, the petrol price in Goa hit 100, this is bloody extreme. Yet I see no revolts around.
@@ishankmahale5393 you are plain stupeed. Prices won't come down just because u revolt. First know why the prices are high.
@@SangitA And the prices are high because?
@@ishankmahale5393 You're comparing mass exterminations, cultural genocide of Hindus to petrol prices? Are you dense?
Should have included the Kerala Syrian Christians and their encounters with the Portuguese. The Portuguese found two native Christian communities in India the St. Thomas Christians and the Knanaya, known together as the Kerala Syrian Christians or Nazrani. There’s a plethora of sources on the interactions between them and the Portuguese. The Portuguese would later persecute these native Christians.
Why did they persecute them?
@@snaik9141 They couldn’t agree with the Nasrani following the Syriac liturgical tradition, nor their Hindu inculurated identity.
@j1966t1969still truth will not change that Portuguese people did inquisition to native Indians
@@snaik9141 Because these gandu European Christians believe Jesus was a White man with blue eyes and blond hair. They cant accept the fact that they are not the first christians and the fact that Christianity is a religion of the east. Its my way or the highway
Could you refer to any sources of video or books or talks on this?
My ancestors escaped Goa too. We still speak Konkani and carry Goan Surnames like mine is "Vernekar" which means a person from "Verna" (which is a town in Goa)
The Portuguese were religious fanatics at that period of time .
It was the darkest around in the Christian history of Europe .
The Portuguese not only punished the Hindus/ Muslims but also the native Saint Thomas Christian community that existed since 2000 years in Kerala .
Yh. I'm a bit mixed in heritage. But i know my ancestors escaped from Iberia to North-Morocco for the same reasons. It's crazy.
@@saraqostahterra4548 well the past was a pretty bad time
@@rebeccaanderson5626 The Europeans
Didn’t want any non Christians in their territories so that they didn’t take over and start persecuting the catholic
The Portuguese didn’t like Jews because they ordered for his death
They didn’t like Muslims because they ruled their lands and made them pay tax for being Christian
They didn’t like Hindus because they worshiped statues and a lotta gods
Eitherway the inquisition is not a very bright part of catholic history
@@popefrancis8153 first of all you are technically bit correct but also wrong . The office of Inquisition was run by the secular authorities of the state and not by the church . All the execution that was done to the heretics was done by the state authorities not by the church. But at the same time it shows us the zeal of religious fanaticism which is amazing current Catholic Church lacks fanaticism . And yes I am proud of the crusades and of The Holy Inquisition .
It's unbelievable the man who brought the inquisition to goa is being revered as a saint and his remains are still there for people to see... its also a major tourist site in goa. the 400-year-old Bom Jesus church still exists with his remains.
@山モﾑ丂モﾚ according to catholic Church pope is infallible (so is church).. then apologizing is actually refute their religion.
@Weasel i dont think so
St Francis Xavier's request for inquisition was not accepted and it started after his death. What he intended it to be and what it turned into were unlikely . Hindus in goa also celebrate his feast
@@dogecoin6080 when they will know more about the truth they won’t celebrate, also, they might be just pretending
The so called remains of Francis Xavier exhibited in Goa belong to a Sinhalese Buddhist monk from Sri Lanka. His name is Ven. Thotagamuwe Sri Rahula Thero
The Catholic Church refuses a request for a DNA test to determine the authenticity of the remains as that of Francis Xavier.
Let me tell you one thing, this is a great video. Just for the fact that such important details were never known to us Indians even after 73 years of Independence from Colonial rule! This is really shocking and heart breaking. Even Voltaire commented on it and we never knew of it!!! How can anyone be so cruel? I live in state neighboring Goa, with similar culture but we vaguely know about this horrendous cruelty! What is more bad? Doing such crimes or hiding such crimes from popular memory? Thank you again for such videos.
Thank you for watching, and I appreciate your thoughts! I hope more people learn about this and understand how important it is to avoid such cruelty and hatred 🙏🏽
@@OddCompass Maybe because quite a few temples were rebuilt and the legacy thoroughly erased? I mean there are temples in goa today
@@mvalthegamer2450 There are very few temples in old Conquista areas of Goa and most of them were built after the liberation of Goa from the Portuguese.
Our ancestral temple, which was located on the river island of Divar was destroyed by the Portuguese and was reestablished in Sonde kings area of Khandola (Ganapathi). The Ganapati Temple was located on the island of Goa at the hilltop. Presently there is a cemetery attached to Lady of piety church, where the Temple used to be.
Recently a local catholic had donated a chunk of land near this church and a small temple dedicated to Ganesh has bee built there.
Repression of Buddhism in Sri Lanka
by the Portuguese (1505 - 1658)
By Senaka Weeraratna
www.vgweb.org/unethicalconversion/port_rep.htm
CONTENTS
Preface
The first phase of western colonialism
Crown patronage of missionary activity in the East
The dark age in Sri Lanka's history
Methods employed for conversion
The introduction of Christianity to Sri Lanka
Four Missionary Orders
Deceitful strategies in proselytizing Tamil Hindus
Mass conversions
Destruction and plunder of Buddhist Temples
Missionaries accompanied Portuguese expeditionary forces
Execution of Buddhist Monks
Inducements to convert
Bequeath of the Kingdom of Kotte to the Portuguese Crown
Conversion of Prince Vijaya Pala
Claims for compensation
Conclusion
Footnotes
Bibliography
Appendix
Well you should study a bit more and not rely only on youtube videos. Though there is no lie here, they failed to mention that in Goa, before the portuguese arrived, the widowers were burned alive when their husband died and this was stopped by the portuguese. I'm not justifying the inquisition, but you have to put it in perspective for the time. Although it seems horrendous for today's eyes, societies back then were brutal.
In addition to that, when Goa was integrated in the Indian state, it's population was completely integrated in Portuguese society and wanted to remain as such. That's why most of them fled from Goa to other portuguese colonies. There was no independence for Goa, there was a violent conquest of Goa by India. And during that conquest the indians massacred the goese population. Those crimes perpretated by India were much more recent and go untold and hidden from popular memory, during a period where life in Goa was good. You don't care about those, hein? Also, what do you think life was on the sultanate around Goa? Better than life on Goa during portuguese rule? Please
We're literally doing this stuff right now at this moment, its very common here in China
Dude is doing a good job in making people aware of the things happening in China😂
@AB - 10JC 682531 Louise Arbour SS
For reason....
Part of practices are still under progress even in India with different name called Conversion. It spread everywhere in India esp South India and North East India.
It would be shame if your communist state would collapse due to such policies
FUNNY RIGHT? HOW ISLAM IS SEEN AS THE WORST UNREAL RELIGION
Idk if anyone knows this... But there was another common torture practice, non-Christians were tied to a metal pole with their hands cut and left in the sun without any provisions. There are still many poles like that present! But luckily they have lost their use.
That is quite disturbing! Sad how much human effort has been dedicated to causing pain. Thanks for the additional info, Noob the Dood!
One is in Old Goa under the fly over bridge. It is called 'HATHKATRO KHAMB'
@@555Sagar yes
@@555Sagar आणि दुसरो हातकापो खाम्बो cemetery of saint Assissi ह्याच्या कोर्टयार्डा भितर असा. 15.502228,73.910406 या जाग्याचेर वाचून पळय। काँग्रेस राजवटीत खरो इतिहास लिपवून दवरील्लो असा। गालियो दिता तितक्यो कमी असा ह्यांका। अनंत केरबा प्रायोळकर हाणी बरयलो GOAN INQUISITION ग्रँथ मुद्दाम वाचात आणि वाचूक दियात। www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=archive.org/details/GoaInquisitionAnantKakbaPriolkar_201806&ved=2ahUKEwiun9HP9tvuAhXczDgGHSlpARAQFjAAegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw1_kQ5vf17BxQyqWx8X4sz7
Is there proof of this practice being used
I didn't expect how brutal it was and now I understand why the Portuguese Empire didn't expand in India as the British Empire. I found the video very interesting, I always questioned the existence of Jews in India, especially in the south. Hugs from Brazil
The British Empire was even more cruel than the Portugese empire
@@sanyoggupta8211 not at all Portuguese are the fine example of cruality...... Wherever they go made the people slaves
@@sanyoggupta8211no it was not more brutal than purtugese, British were very tactful and didn't interfere in local culture with this much brutality, purtugese were straight up ISIS comparable.
@@varunkhugshal9049Actually not. The British literally made a genocide in India, did you forget that?
@@diogorodrigues747 I'm not saying British were better, I'm choosing better of two pisach,
Hindus have been oppresssed a lot in our own country. Many such instances have been hidden from our history books.
it's that awkward moment when we are learning about our own history from a foreigner. Glad you talked about it.
He’s actually Indian
And the video isn’t very credible
@@popefrancis8153 our history books aren't either.
@@TheMohammadDanish very true
Usually most history books have things missing or have things extremely exaggerated
@Jorge Correia You cannot claim that the Hindus killed others. They killed Muslims because they were invaded by them. But why did the Portuguese kill Hindus?
@@popefrancis8153 you are Christians that why you try to defend Portuguese cruelty .this video is 100percent credible and true .you see comments many said how they escaped cruel christinaty ruled goa.
There are 3 most darkest things in the universe....
1.The singularity of a black hole.
2.Vantablack (The darkest substance on earth ever known)
3.The pages of european and american history.
And middle eastern and north African, and asian, anyways 🇵🇹🇵🇹🇵🇹🇵🇹🇵🇹🇵🇹
The pages of all human history
Literally every nation and every people have blood on their hands
@@portugallusitanocelta7120 Nah. When did Asians or Africans colonize and near-completely genocide an entire continent? Where did they practice industrialized chattel slavery? What non-European culture, civilization, or broad grouping subjugated the rest of the world in pretty much its entirety to terror and exploitation? European and (white) American history since Columbus has been a trail of corpses and plunder spanning around the globe many times over.
@@Thanatar13 Mongols
Portugeese : Lose their empire due to crappy policies and discrimination on the locals .
Ummaiads : First time ?
It was for those same policies why Muslims (that is the Almoravid and Almohad dyanasties) lost the Iberian Peninsula from the Christian Kingdoms, like Portugal, so, it seems what comes around comes around.
@@armandovaiandando6472 the Almoravids weren’t around for long though, an later successor fiefdoms like the Emirate of Granada or the Emirate of Córdoba reverted to the far more tolerant ways for the Umayyads, thankfully. Sadly, it wasn’t to last as the fractured Muslim holdings in the peninsula were no match for the growing power of the Northern Christian realms, and it wasn’t long before the kingdoms of Astorias, Galicia, Leon and Castile formed into the Kingdom of Castile. Just as soon as they had conquered Seville, and Portugal Algarve, they became just as bad, if not worse than the Almoravids. At least they didn’t destroy Alhambra.
That’s not why Portugal lost their empire. They lost much of it because they were too small of a country and the land they owned was too big, also because they lost their war against the Dutch. Discrimination had nothing to do with why they lost their empire, it was the desire of freedom for why they lost it. Compared to other European nations Portuguese were much more tolerant of other races and had a high degree of intermixing with locals.
That's literally every empire in history. Also the main reason for Ummayad empire fall was the Abbasid coup which i really don't think it has alot to do with policies...... Abbasid also lost their empire because they gave too much power to their vassals & client states..
An yet for some reason, religious people (aka evangelical christians, Islamic extremists, and insert religious radicals here).
Think this behavior is A ok so long as its their religion doing the oppressing..
Theocratic rule just doesn't work for long term.
Iran's Islamic state has been around since 1979 and even now in 2021 its control is not very stable.
St. Francis Xavier - "if not for Brahmins I would have converted all Hindus to Christianity."
Proud to be a brahmin 💪
Well, the Brahmins were the first to convert in Goa. There is documentary evidence of this .
@@ricardoribeiro8037 one or 2? yes, many? No
Clown brahmins @@thechosenone1533
That's exactly why now bhramins are being targeted by Christian missionaries and Dravidian politics also the new ambetkarite
I'm of Portuguese and dutch descent as a result of colonization. We are Eurasians now and I've moved to the middle east
My surname D'Cruz originally 'da cruz' meaning of the cross
Got me thinking my ancestors might have been a part of this 'inquisition' also cause I recall my grand parents saying that their great grand parents (Portuguese) used to raid villages in southern india
How old are you 120?
@@pauvermelho 23
@@user-he8zn4sl7p Inquisition was pretty much dead after Lisbon tsunami (1755) your great grandparents hadn't been born yet
@@pauvermelho I mentioned my grand parents, great grand parents
Not grand parents
@@user-he8zn4sl7p I didn't said grand parents I said great grandparents.
But even your grand parents, great grand parents weren't a live yet.
By the way can you trace so many people so far back into 1755?
I am Portugueses and even though we are taught a lot about our history in school. The Portugueses ruling is something that I never saw mentioned. Thanks for making this video about our history.
King Joao III of Portugal wrote:
“the great concernment which lies upon Christian princes to look to matters of Faith and to employ its forces for its preservation makes me advise how sensible I am that not only in many parts of India under our subjection but even in our city of Goa, idols are worshipped, places in which our Faith may be more reasonable expected to flourish; and being well informed with how much liberty they celebrate their heathenish festivals, we command you to discover by diligent officers all the idols and to demolish and break them up In pieces where they are found, proclaiming severe punishments against anyone who dares to work, cast, make in sculpture, engrave, paint or bring to light any figure of idol in metal, brass, wood, plaster or any other matter, or bring them from other places; and against who publicly or privately celebrate any of their sports, keep by them any heathenish frankincense or assist and hide the Brahmins, the sworn enemies of the Christian profession… It is our pleasure that you punish them with the severity of the law without admitting any appeal or dispensation in the least.”
@@vijnanabandhu2167 Damn João the third wasn't joking around when it came to matters of religion.
@@vijnanabandhu2167 source?
@@sergiomorais4906 _Malabar and the Portuguese_ , KM Pannikkar, page 186-187.
@@vijnanabandhu2167 ´Thanks! One can only lament that 500 years later this example of religious intolerance by breaking idols didn't offer any lesson to anyone, specially to far-right hindu nationalists, who have been promoting the killing of hundreds of muslims. Only if they broke their idols, unfortunately they have any.
As a portuguese I wasn't aware of this historical incident! Thank you for sharing it!
its horrible the education ur. given in all colonial nations
You shoud be proud of how your middleeast religion is supreme at killing others/us and destroying temples ,
just like those old portuguese used to feel proud
@@eee9034 I'm not proud at all! But if it makes you feel better my generation was born during a Liberal Democracy period. So we have nothing to do with this shameful period that extended till 74.
Colonialism is long gone and now it's time for Democracy and Liberaliam to thrive.
The next step is to acknowledge the wickedness and cruelty that we were responsible for.
@@kriptoniteXD I hear you but people in India still feel the wound created by colonisation. Among all colonists not including Mughals, Portuguese were the most Brutal, Brits were the most cunning and have done deep rooted damage and destruction. If Portuguese invaders were aggressive brits were passive aggressive responsible for Innumerable Famines and deaths (Each Famine runs into several million deaths)
Thank you so much for covering such topics which are not covered .... Hope we learn from the mistakes of our ancestors!
My friend's ancestors migrated from Goa to Maharashtra due to this.
Ty solo
@@prajaktapramod9 😊
Interesting about your friend's family! And thanks Solomon, glad you enjoyed the video!
@@OddCompass Your Welcome Tarun! Keep covering such not so well known topics!😁😁
Shush
When Xavier tried to preach Catholicism in Japan, the Catholic priests there got totally rekt
Thanks for avenging us Japan
They didn’t just kill priests
They killed men and woman and children
@@popefrancis8153 so did the catholics everywhere else
@@ninjadude971 And catholic were killed everywhere too
An eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth
Sadly the catholic didn’t read the other passages concerning that
@@ninjadude971 Even though catholic were persecuted in japan
Most of them refused to convert
So the preaching must have gone well to have so many loyal followers In Christ
@@popefrancis8153 many of them eventually dropped christianity, a few kept it in secret
Make a video on the Gajapati dyanasty or eastern Ganga dyanasty or Kalinga or paika rebellion. It's time that people know about odia history as it's mostly ignored because we are dirt poor now.
@Nyet Matchbox I don't know but as far as I know many people who have internet know about marathas, even southern history is now well known and ahom dyanasty is alo pretty famous. How many video are there about history of odisha. You will find history summery of india without any mention of any odia kingdom outside of Kalinga that's even just for some seconds. And yes history or anyother subject about a region depends on the political power of that region. That's why Chinese history was not even known in the west before and even now indian history is not well Known and that's why European and American history is focused everywhere because these region political and economical power is huge.
@Nyet Matchbox economic is a kinda of power. The USA and Eu have political power because of their economy.
I'll be covering them eventually, no worries!
@@Abhishek-sr2pu Bengali history is pretty ignored too. I doubt anybody knows about the Great Palas and the Great Bengal Sultanate. Two of Bengal's richest empires which were also some of the richest in the world.
@@dwarasamudra8889 I doubt that many know about pala beacuse of kannujj triangle and bengal sultanate thanks to battle of palassey.
The portuguese inquisition was no joke. Very dark period of Portugal and catholic religion.
But very necessary
as a Portuguese myself i am ashamed of the evil catholic inquisition that killed so many innocent people
St francis xavier is still revered as a saint in goa and christian from all around even karnataka make yearly trips there hoping for miracles ...i wonder how many of them know about this dark chapter. My community of konkan christians also migrated to costal karnataka during this time and i am sure now the real reason was persecution.
Isn't it crazy that when St Xavier does, it becomes a miracle and when others do, that is called witchcraft?
Some fact is that we Brazilians contributed to did this in India, ...
Many times indigenous natives of Guaraní nation was used with Brazilian caboclos as portuguese army that massacred many rebelds in India...
They came as punitive expedictions of bandeirantes of São Paulo, to Goa and Diu
Not your fault. They were conscripts anyways. There were even many Indian conscripts fighting for them.
It reminds me of male revolt
Brother, that’s the least of what Brasil did. I’d look closer to home… maybe to Paraguay.
It disgusts me that everyone here is engaging in a stupid morality competition over who was more victimized by the evil Portuguese from 500 years ago instead of assimilating the lesson on display here.
My country did plenty of fucked up shit. Taken globally, India was actually lucky; what we did there isn’t a patch on what we did in Africa.
Brasil, a part of Portugal for much of it’s existence and a country created by settlers, not natives, also did plenty of fucked up shit, both before and after independence.
India, the portrayed victim in this context, is a completely artificial creation of the British Empire, that has, since it’s independence, developed a robust concept of nationhood. It had a varied list of atrocities committed both on the native states and their neighbors before British rule, and also managed to rack up quite the list of atrocities after independence, some of which can be felt to this day. Unlike both Brasil and Portugal, it is the only of these three countries that maintains several border claims and disputes, including the occupation of a territory in which the will of the native population was not respected.
Nobody’s hands are clean. This is just how history is. It is up to us who study it to learn from it, instead of using it to fuel further resentment and hatred.
Now that is extremism behind the blanket of religion.
@Вхламинго are you insane? When did Jesus kill someone? When did his apostles kill someone? For the first three hundred years Christianity was the most persecuted religion in the Roman empire . Lol 😂
@Shaurya Joshi IT IS HUMAN CORRUPTION AND NOT CHRISTINITY
@Shaurya Joshi THE OLD TESTAMENT WAS WRITEN BY A BARBARIC WARING TRIBE. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING THE WORD OF GOD IS EXPRESSED IN A VIOLENT WAY AND IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE INTREPRETED LITERALLY
BJP doing same
@@maheshtambe9535 are you drunk?
BJP has actually increased the budget for other religions, just search it!
christianity is no better than islam
All the abrahmic religion are same. They dont consider each other's god , you think they will consider Dharmic religions ?
Wow, I’ve never even heard of this event, and I consider myself fairly well versed on Portuguese history. Thanks man, great video and a hidden gem of a channel, I’ll be subscribed from now on.
Thank you for the kind words - glad to have you on-board!
@Rahul Do indians acknowledge theirs?
@Rahul in the beginning of the 20th century Germany also committed another Genocide, in Southern Africa (Namibia)
But ofc they don't recognise it. And nobody really knows about it nowadays too.
They only recognise the ones doing against europeans.
@@jfarinhote what did the indians do to you? Made you eat their biryaani or butter chicken?
@@Rabidanti I watched video on that.. never on mainstream news or media..
I bet Indians in goa never knew their heritage .. Hats off to your channel
They probably did, considering that Goa remained a part of Portugal until 1961.
Everything is correct but you forgot to tell that its Kannada & Konkani which was major language of Goa back then not marathi. Kadamba kingdom ruled Goa for 100s of yrs and their administration language was Kannada & Konkani. Marathi rose only during maratha empire. And also you must give credit to King Nelavadi of Shimmoga who fought bravely against Portugese of Goa. Konkanis of Goa are found mainly in Uttara Kannada district & Karavali region because King Nelavadi of Shimmoga who used to rule these region gave refugee to them
I believe some sources referred to Marathi as the language often used by Hindu nobility at the time in Goa, whereas Konkani was the common language, but you’re likely correct about Kannada being important as well. It’s worth noting that Marathi rose during the Ahmadnagar Sultanate, before the Maratha Empire
@@OddCompass Marathi Rose during the time of Senua Yadavas,who themselves were of Kannada origin but assimilated into the Marathi society and became Marathi.They were the first people to make Marathi there state language.It is because of them Marathi became one of the three major languages in the Deccan(other being Kannada and Telugu).Marathi was originally limited to a similar area as of Konkani but it was the Yadavas who spread it.Later Few Deccani Sultanates and Maratha Empire also patronised Marathi.
@@thedailyjusteen7742 yep Marathi was the official language of administration for the Ahmednagar Sultanate and it was one of three principal lanaguges of administration and literature of the Bijapur Sultanate along with Kannada and Dakhani Urdu.
@@OddCompass what rubbish
1)Konkani is older than marathi
2) we r not kannad not ethnically or linguistically that way even Persian was the court language under Adil Shah in Goa but it is still not spoken by us we only speak Konkani ok all migrations were from Rajasthan (Bhandari and Maratha), Kaashmir(Saraswats), Dhangar(Gujarat), Gaud(Chita Nagpur Plateau)
None from the south
@@snaik9141 Correct. Konkani was the people's language, although the administrative language differed. Kannada during Kadambas, Persian during Delhi sultanate, Kannada and Telugu during Vijayanagar, back to Persian during Bahamanis and Bijapuris, then Portuguese in Velhas Conquistas from 1510 till 1961, Marathi was official language in Novas Conquistas only during Maratha Empire period from 1600s to 1700s.
Is it true that caste word originated from the word casta in Portuguese language?Because I have never caste word in any Indian language vocabulary or even old English vocabulary?
Yes it did. But some people go to far extream by saying that Jati/Varna discrimination is a colonial thing. Nah! It has been present before India was subject to multiple invasions. Although one can also agree that it got more rigid after invasions.
@Nyet Matchbox The very fact that they could play people of different castes against each other tells you how bad the system was. And no it did not get rigid because they played different castes against each other. It got rigid because our culture was in danger and any culture becomes rigid when faced with an external threat. So did caste. The rigidity in caste prevented people from easily converting to other faiths.
@Nyet Matchbox I do not agree with the point of view that Varna system was ever good and that there ever was an original form of Varna system in practice. The very fact that 4 Varnas turned into so many thousands of Jatis tells you how inefficient this system was.
@@vibhavdeshpande8196 ,Thank you for explanation.Do you think that the varna system need to be reform to eradicate the discrimination or eradicate itself?
@@yudhirencathapermal5404 Well I don't think that Varna system is in existence today. It is the Jati system which is there. It's not a simple upper caste lower caste thing anymore. Its more complicated than that. Jati today is a sub community which provides privileges and networks to members of that community. Today the problem of Jati is not scriptural. It's more of a social problem. I can give you some problems. Stereotyping of people from other Jatis, competition among different Jatis to create lobbies in different organizations, protesting for inclusion in reservations and the politics of different Jatis. It's like an undeclared civil war. The solutions cannot be radical. You cannot ask people to give up their Jatis. Just because some of us never felt a sense of belonging to a Jati does not mean rest of the society doesn't feel so. So it's going to be a slow process. Urbanisation of society is going to be the greatest contributor to get rid of Jatis. When you are living in urban society where you get to interact with people from different Jatis, the stereotyping starts to fall off. On the social front, I think Hindu unity and Hindu consolidation would be an important thing. So Hindutva can be a great force to negate Jati. I feel we are headed in the right direction. I feel Jati is going to die a slow death in next 1-2 centuries.
The Portuguese catholics wouldn’t even spare British Protestant visitors in Goa let alone non Christian natives . That’s how radical and draconian the rule was .
Protestantism is heresy. Martin Luther was not an apostle.
@sneksnekitsasnek because everyone else has nuclear weapons
@sneksnekitsasnek but there ancestore werent good people.... Countries like france already apologized for their crimes in colonies... We are waiting for same from UK and portugal
@sneksnekitsasnek it's their right to ask for reperations :)
@@elhombredeoro955 And what is heresy? Did your God came down only for the Roman Catholics?
Odd Compass!🙏🏻 Thank you for speaking about this topic with great detail andat length. But the biggest irony is that this portion of crucial history is still not included in the history textbooks printed by the state education board of the state of Goa.
Interesting - that’s too bad! Thanks for watching, Akshay
Maharashtra teaches about Shivaji but goa doesn't about this? What a shame!
@@SangitA even i came to know many things about Indian history through this channel, which i previously never knew
@@SangitA Because the 'history' in this video is exaggerated bullshit. It uses Priolkar's book as its source.
XAVIER AND THE REST OF THEM WAS GIVEN SAINTHOOD FOR THEIR "GOOD WORK". IRONICALLY XAVIER IS STILL REGARDED AS A GOOD BY GOAN CHRISTIANS.... BECAUSE THE CHURCH HAS MADE HIM A SAINT... ALSO THEIR IS A FAMOUS ART COLLEGE IN MUMBAI IN THE NAME OF "SAINT XAVIER".
There are still many Indian-Goans who love Portugal even today 😅
Yeah my ex is brainwashed Portuguese catholic from goa to this day 🙄
Hello my friend thank you for bringing a non-western take on history of the south-southeast asian region with good graphics to boot! However, that being said, may I propose displaying the names of people/places on screen? It helps with me looking them up further when I know how they’re spelled
Sure! I have to be better about doing that - thanks for the recommendation 👍🏽
XAVIER AND THE REST OF THEM WAS GIVEN SAINTHOOD FOR THEIR "GOOD WORK". IRONICALLY XAVIER IS STILL REGARDED AS A GOOD BY GOAN CHRISTIANS.... BECAUSE THE CHURCH HAS MADE HIM A SAINT... ALSO THEIR IS A FAMOUS ART COLLEGE IN MUMBAI IN THE NAME OF "SAINT XAVIER".
@@pulz1191 yes, and?
@@OddCompass for existing videos - please add some names and terms on the description or as a comment.
These acts were carried out in South America too. Imagine how diverse and colorful South America would have been if these kinds of acts were not done. There would be 100s of language tribes' cultures faith.
Most of these tribes faiths
Included sacrifices
@@popefrancis8153
Every society evolves with time keeping the good practices and the bad slowing vanishes. In the process may gain some more bad practices and so on. This is how society progress.
Oh....then killing torturing people and destroying 100s of language and culture is just to stop human sacrifice?
Waooo....thats a great logic.
@@saurangadas Do you have proof that they tortured people?
Because from what I know most of the inquisition accusation comes from Protestant England in a bid to make Catholicism look bad
Even though they were burning people for being a witch without a proper trail
The Conquistadores killed millions of the indigenous inhabitants of what are now Mexico and the Yucatan. Before the conquest the population is believed to have numbered some 25 million; immediately after it fewer than seven million. By 1650 only about one and a half million pure-blooded natives remained. Following traditional Christian techniques, temples were pulled down to be replaced by cathedrals. Whole cities were destroyed, and new Christian ones constructed. For example modern Mexico City stands on the site of the Aztec city of Tenochtitlán and its cathedral on the site of one of the greatest Aztec temples. Some remote cities that survived for a time were concealed under encroaching jungle and have only recently been rediscovered. We know the Incas were great artists because some of their art has survived.
@@vijnanabandhu2167 they never killed them
Most of them died of disease
But I guess that doesn’t make the Christians sound bad
So let’s lie
Ohhhh... so this is the reason for higher Christian % in Goa! I never knew this. This should be taught in history books. All the atrocities committed on Indians is often ignored in our history books. When we don't learn from our past, we are bound to fall into the same hell again.
Some spread the news that he destroyed the culture but the letters prove that he actually learned the native languages, roamed with native people and ate their food. What about his clothings? Well he could not do anything about it because as a Priest it is demanded of every priest that they remain in their Cassock all the time. Certain liberties were rewarded only after the second Vatican Council (1962-1965).
The inquisition was meant for wiping out Hindu religion and many were burnt at stakes and executed…how true is it?
All the historians agree that the inquisition was not meant for any other but the Newly convert Christians who were falling back to their old practices.
Francis Pyrard, a French traveller, was in Goa during the
period July 1608 to January 1610. In his account of his travels
he gives the following information of the Inquisition of Goa :
The Indian Gentiles and Moors, of whatsover religion,
are not subject to this Inquisition unless they have become
Christians, and even then are not so rigorously dealt with as the Portuguese or New Christians from Portugal, or other Christians
from Europe. But if peradventure an Indian, Moor, or Gentile
inhabitant of Goa, had dissuaded or hindered another that was
minded to become Christian, and that was proved against him, he
would be punished by the Inquisition, as would be he who has
caused another to quit Christianity; such cases often happen.
The reason why they treat these Indian thus rigorously is that
they suppose tluit they cannot be so steadfast in the faith as the old
Christians ; also that it will prevent the rest from being led astray.
For the same reason, too, they permit them to retain some of their
petty Gentile and Mahomedan superstitions, such as not eating
pork or beef, not drinking wine, and keeping to their former
dress and ornaments, that is among men as well as women that
are become Christians.[27]
In fact there are evidences that the Portuguese brought about certain reforms in the society which the Hindu community had imposed on others and oppressed the lower class and women. For example the Portuguese dealt strictly with Sati.
“ No Hindu woman, living in the territories of Salsete or
Bardez, or in this island of Goa or any other island annexed thereto,
shall bum herself alive on account
In fact there are evidences that the Portuguese brought about certain reforms in the society which the Hindu community had imposed on others and oppressed the lower class and women. For example the Portuguese dealt strictly with Sati.
“ No Hindu woman, living in the territories of Salsete or
Bardez, or in this island of Goa or any other island annexed thereto,
shall bum herself alive on account of the death of her husband.
Any person who causes such a woman to be burnt alive, or for that
purpose render an advice or help, be he a relation of the woman who
has burnt herself or not, shall be liable to the penalty of loss of his entire estate, one half to the person who denounces him and the other for the works of the home of Apostle St. Thomas, and im¬ prisonment for life.[28]
There were forced conversions. Really? The Newly converts were forcefully converted and were returning to their old religion out of love for it…really?? Hindus were persecuted and temples were broken down. How true is it and Was it a regular event?
This is a big question. In fact these are many questions. I formally thought of addressing it one by one but these are interconnected and I may repeat things again and again that’s why I thought of integrating them together. And once again I would like to remind that we need to move from interpreting history to interpreting history in its context and circumstances. We cannot interpret histories according to the mindset and concepts of today. Just some decades ago, some tribes of the African deserts were cannibals, they have recently stopped their taste for human meat. Can you still judge them?
III.3.1. NO FORCED CONVERSIONS AS REGULAR PATTERN
Well, it is true that Afonso Albuquerque used a very easy technique to get the people to be Christians. However, we should know that it was the part of agreement with the local Hindus and the Portuguese under Albuquerque when they sought his help to fight the Muslims. If they were not happy with it shouldn’t they have rather died for their religion instead of converting to new one? Bragging about the situation makes no sense. Therefore, what people like Shefali try to show a picture is that they were forced. Not at all, they had a choice and an agreement. If you ask me whether there forced conversions in times of St. Francis Xavier or if he forcefully converted anyone the I would give a certainly NO.
Let me first begin by saying that in the year 1567 the Portuguese King had come out with the edict that no one should be forced to convert or there would be severe punishment.
“ In the first place it is hereby laid down that it is not lawful
to bring to our faith and baptism any person by force with threats
and terror, because no one comes to Christ by faith unless brought
by the Celestial father with voluntary love and prevenient grace.
Just as a person if by his free will he succumbs to the temptations
of the Devil, perishes, so also if he responds to the call and grace
of God he saves himself. The unbelievers should be brought to
the true faith by the example of our lives, preaching of the
truth of our law and the confutation of their errors so that by
recognition of these things, they will give up their lies, and be
received in Christ, who is the way, the truth and the life. Those
who wish to bring the unbelievers to the true faith must also seek
to cultivate gentleness and goodness in order that they may win
persons to Christ, not merely by their preachings but also by kindness, courtesy and service .”[29]
We should evaluate this edict. It was not merely any other order with a selfish motive behind the mind of the King to protect trade but a deep theological discourse. First of all he quotes the Scriptures to draw his conclusion.
no one comes to Christ by faith unless brought
by the Celestial father with voluntary love and prevenient grace.
@@ramdevchouhan2081 well I accept some facts like xavier wasn't involved in inquaisation.He was dead before that and that inquisition was just meant for catholics and not hindus but there are sources which talk about temples being destroyed and hindus being killed and hindusim trying to be killed okay,if those sources are false I am ready to belive you
The Brahmins fled with the idols from the temples and those temples were rebuild in another location.
@sneksnekitsasnek All the best to you. Go and get started with your mission don't be a warrior behind the keyboard.
@sneksnekitsasnek its funnt seeing people mocl idol worship as if what theyre doing makes any sense
Not just Brahmins all Hindus Naiks Dessais Kamats Doesn't matter which clan they belonged to
DO NOT DIVIDE GOAN HINDUS
@sneksnekitsasneklol even Christaos in Goa worship idols of local godess converts to Christianity like Milagres Saibin
U cannot change anything it's just how we r
Thank you for the effort (research, editting, etc...) you have put in this video. As a portuguese national I had no idea of the cruelty, absurdity and consequences of the Portuguese Inquisition abroad.
Portuguese History textbooks should follow your example and teach (create awareness) about the cruelty that followed the "Descobertas" Period.
Only by also exposing/revisiting the bad and ugly events of history can we trully have a comprehensive understanding of our past. Thank you.
Thank you. I appreciate your sentiments 🙏🏽
What effort?
@@Rabidanti a maioria dos portugueses a pedir reparações pela independência do Brasil? você não andará a abusar do grogue?
@@sergiomorais4906 G
@@Rabidanti pois, foi o que eu pensei.
Shefali Vaidya has a brilliant presentation on Goan inquisition from a Hindu perspective. Her great grand parents experienced it first hand and passed the story on to their generation.
This is the first video that has been released since I discovered this channel! Thanks for starting it, Tarun. Top quality stuff.
Thanks so much, Alexander -- I appreciate it, and hope you enjoy upcoming videos, too!
@ferzy09 biased? How ? Could you give any examples?
@ferzy09 its perfect... Its history recorded...
@Amey Tiwari he is indisn american
@@SangitA He leaves out the part where the majority of the natives converted before the temples were demolished
The number of hinduphobes in this comments section is actually astonishing. And I don't use that word lightly
Eh, they're trying to defend their sides.
@@ikengaspirit3063 Can you imagine what it would be like to say 'Eh, they're trying to defend their sides.' if the context of discussion was the holocaust? Why is this any more socially acceptable?
@@sriramradhakrishna878 Yes, I can say that about the Holocaust, people here where I live don't really care about it.
Also, arguments tend to draw to a halt if you refuse to understand the justifications of the other side.
@@ikengaspirit3063 I agree with you in your general approach to arguments and that criticism is important, but I draw the line at killing people for whatever reason except a democratic and legally warranted one (again, genocides excluded), irrespective of whether or not said crime is relevant to your country/people. There's no way an argument like that can lead to a constructive conclusion
Where?
Thank you so much Odd Compass for speaking on this topic, here back in Goa, they still have not added the inquisition chapter in history for middle school. And most of the Goan teens don't even know about this topic and how Portuguese tortured our Ancestors. Thanks for bringing this up!
Well most of this might just be an exaggeration
The Inquisition targeted fake converts, not those who remained Hindu. The numbers executed were not many, less than 60 in total (also not all were of Hindu origin) from 1560 to 1812. More than 90% of the natives converted by the early 1700s, and so the native Goan majority knows but doesn't care.
@@popefrancis8153 Or under-reporting? The truth is too harsh for many to digest. Your Father Ferrero recently tried a new stunt telling that the Goanese weren't even Indians or Hindus. Such is the level of deliberate falsehoods.
@@upadhyayrathiraj1518 Your right
The truth is too hard for people to digest that’s why the make up vicious lies
Idk what father Ferrero was talking about
The media likely just messed up his words
Like they always do
@@upadhyayrathiraj1518Less than two hundred death sentences during all the goan inquisition's existence, hardly a genoc!de
Thank you for this video oddcompas. For too long this topic has been hidden in history.❤️ from Goa.
You’re welcome!
Yet you have some Indians who are so proud of their Portuguese lineage or mixing with the Portuguese.
Yes thousands! That why Nerhu left his fake pacifism and invaded...he said "Portuguese must leave Goa even if goans don´t want it" Inquisition was over in 1821...and since 1776 nobody was punished in Goa....so clearly in 1961 nobody remeber about Inquisition anymore
Naa not now... Those people either went to portugal or left india for christian majority country
@@starscream1457 They go there during adulthood for work purposes, but their homes are still in Goa and they retire there. Watch the video of the Figueiredo house in Loutolim.
That's because 90% of the Velhas Conquistas became Catholic by the early 1700s. Note that all the comments about ancestors leaving Goa come from Brahmins (less than 5% of the natives). The Inquisition narrative in this video also doesn't match the contemporary historical records. The video creator thinks that Priolkar's book is factual.
@@br3menPT You blabbering here too!!
My ancestor converted to Catholicism 200 years ago, my Grand parents came from Goa to Mangalore, spoke Konkani, Kannada, Hindi and English. Terrible things were and are done in the name of religion unfortunately this is history in general and the dark side of human behaviour.
🙂 Christian missionary do Same tail now .....ex Manipur but how they represent????
So are you considering to return back to your roots? Return to Vedic Hinduism.
@@shubhankardasgupta4777 prefer to be agnostic my friend yet respect everyone's right to worship whomever they want to.
@@zebcarvalho3294 There are many agnostic/atheist schools in Indian Philosophy..Samkhya,Nyay,Ajivika, Ajana ,Charvaka, Buddhism and Jainism etc..hope you know about them.
@@santusanturohit4832 not really man haven't lived in India since I was 14 but good to know.
Great video, thanks, I can definitely relate to this! My ancestors (the GSBs) left everything they had in Goa and settled near Mangalore. This was to escape persecution and preserve their language, culture and religion. We still visit our Kuldev (clan-deity) currently in Marcel (Novas Conquistas) from time to time. The deity was originally located at Chorão Island (Velhas Conquistas) but shifted in the 16 century when the Portuguese took control of the territory.
The name of our prestigious institutions are st. Xaviers, st. Stephens and yet we send our children to those schools proudly. Such a colonised mentality!
Ignorance leads to mistake Christina schools are mostly factories of missionary .they try convert poor hindus to Christianity. St Francis was not St he was genocider.
Goa was part of Portugal for far longer than the concept of Indian nationhood has existed.
@@feastguy101 lmao. India the idea of its shared civilization has existed long before Portugal. We have temples of the same gods all over the entire country built by locals thousands of years before Christianity even existed.
@@vedkharade2484 so does Europe. That’s not what a nation is.
How Western imperialists suppress their oppressors and "the others", it's outright disgusting. From a Malaysian perspective, I find it even more bizarre that many Indian Malaysians still defend Western interests in Southeast Asia. Perhaps, the Orientalists have successfully rewritten our history to the extent many of our beautiful minds have become imprisoned. Again, an excellent video from you. Thank you for bringing justice to history.
Thank you so much! I agree wholeheartedly - it’s sad to see how many in SE Asia take the side of Western colonial powers. I’m glad to have shown some clarifying history!
Tell me why does Malaysia have so many non Malays ?? . Malaysia should be only for Malays !
Maybe if you treated them fairly and as equal- like singapore,they won't.
@@barialbari731 And would start a malyasian civil war with Indian and Chinese interference.
@@cs-mi8ur burn bro 😂
8:50 this is the same kind of approach the missionaries had in Kerala . Convert the upper caste first, I think this is to influence other caste more effectively and make propagation of Christianity more easier .
Lol 80% Christian & Muslims are from Backward CASTE Hindu 😂
@@Vpr2255 that's true, if you look recent time only ... But during the early times they targeted the upper class, as upper class had more influence on everyone and targetting the top got them help to spread their idea and got them other benifits ... in recent times only they started to offer money and then convert backward classes and many people changed themselves for money and now more people from backward class fall for missionaries .
@@Vpr2255 that was the british strategy
@@byron-ih2ge Backward caste persecution is the reason for mass conversion to Sikh, islam and Christian
@@Vpr2255 backward caste werent always treated as badly as they were treated during the period of 1700s-1947 that was the peak of caste system
The Portuguese were the people who divided the ancient Malabar Christians
they literally destroyed the most ancient and a unique branch of Christianity . so many manuscripts written in ancient syriac were kept preserved by st thomas christians for over a 1000 yrs , 90 percent of them were burned and so many practices banned just to impose there romanised version of Christianity known as latin catholicism and congrats today the largest christian festival is christmas which in reality has nothing to do with christ .roman pagan festival turned into the birthday of jesus 😂
@@byron-ih2ge Christmas was not roman pagan festival though although there were overlap
@@asamanthinketh5944 bro i am pretty sure that christ was not born in december.
@@asamanthinketh5944 saturnalia was the biggest roman festival which was held around 12-20 december , this was the main reason why when they christianised themselves they turned there biggest festival into the "birth of christ narrative"
@pavan literally thats true for anyone
We Hindus welcomed all people who are prosecuted and other religions and at the end become procured by them at the end
yes
burning widows in the name of sati ( ya i know in shastras it was done with consent )
barring shudras , beating them etc i can quote smritis , puranas and upanishads
@@asamanthinketh5944 have you heard of reformers in Vedanta?
@@asamanthinketh5944 ever come across the term "non prescriptive religion"?
@@asamanthinketh5944 Please share us your beliefs?
@Anjana Anjuuu Hinduism is not like a certain "faith" which scares the poor followers into obeying the rules of an angry and jealous "God". So we have do's and don'ts, no commandments. Hindus are free to act as they wish but they will have to bear the consequences of their actions. Good action will result in good karma and bad action will result in bad karma for the soul. The laws of karma are eternal and are closely tied up with reincarnation. So anyone should think long and hard about how they act in this world.
And today's Goan people are proud of being Christians they thank Portugal for saving them by bring them to Christianity😂😂
Well, my country (Portugal) went through a tough period with the inquisition.
Most people were expecting it, after the Spanish one happened.
But, we moved past that. In fact, our current Prime Minister is from Goa!
@Antares I hope they do
Then we can restore the monarchy and Catholicism
You can't say he's a Goan because he hasn't lived Here
@pavan true I saw some 4-5 accounts like this on this channel. Even though the content is good, I suppose they are employed to comment absurd things, n we indians will reply ... Untimely increasing engagement n being recommend to more people..
@@eucenor4171
true I saw some 4-5 accounts like this on this channel. Even though the content is good, I suppose they are employed to comment absurd things, n we indians will reply ... Untimely increasing engagement n being recommend to more people..
@@traveljunkieleonardo3679 he has!
Make a video on sufferings of Telangana Hindus under razakaars, in nijams rule
Am a mangalorean. But my ancestors were goan . Am a catholic my language is konkani
Maaan, I hate how religion turns people into monsters. I wish us Portuguese and Spanish weren't so lost in the sauce... separation of church and state is paramount
Please do a video on the Travancore-Dutch wars culminating in the Battle of Colachal which effectively ended the Dutch colonial threat in India. Brilliant work, as always. Big fan.
Well, I certainly wasn't expecting the Portuguese Inquisition.
Seriously though, it was always amazing to me how different could be the approach of the authorities in different Catholic powers of this period to the matters of religion. Poland-Lithuania being on the opposite side of the spectrum than Portugal and Spain. Also, nice job of showing that the Inquisition was de facto also something like a state political police.
Ignore the video and others like it. This video leaves out facts that aren't pro-Hindu, like the temples being demolished only after the majority of the natives converted to Catholicism. It ignores the contemporary accounts written about the voluntary conversions of natives during the 1500s. Also that over 90% of the natives were Catholic by the early 1700s.
All my Sanatanis and freedom loving people say with me "Never again!!"
Thank you for telling story! I'm Portuguese.. and we don't talk about this in our schools but i had heard about it (partially).
Não sei até que ano tiveste história mas a inquisição aprende-se na disciplina de história.
É claro que não é em detalhe, porque nada é estudado em detalhe, até porque é impossível num país com 900 anos entrar em detalhes, simplesmente não há tempo
@@lxportugal9343 lol que anedota claro que se estuda a inquisição, é obvio que nao era isso a que me referia
@@Nunocesarsa Anedota? Dizer isto "we don't talk about this in our schools"
Dá uma ideia errada há pessoas que lêem o teu comentário
@@lxportugal9343 sim vai buscar o livro de historia do secundario que fala da inquisicao na india.. ou nas outras colonias.
@@Nunocesarsa Se eu o encontrar vou busca-lo :):):):)
Em Portugal está lá de certeza que eu lembro-me e pareeeece-me que Goa também é mencionada mas não tenho a certeza. Os outros sítios acho que não são mencionados.
No Brasil nem havia tribunal inquisitório. Acho que fora de Portugal, só em Goa é que foi problemático... mas mesmo assim julgo que em Portugal foi pior que em Goa. No terreiro do paço queimaram-se pessoas durante 3 dias seguidos, num determinado momento
For a religion that talks about kindness and compassion, this is a bit self-contradictory don't you think?
Exactly.. that's why we shouldn't put our judgment on a faith by the actions of those who claim to be of that religion, rather on the principles of that religion.. people can claim alot of things and their actioms contradictory to the core of their claims.
“For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without it's actions is dead also.” ~ James 2:14-26.
"If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing" ~ 1 Corinthians 13:2
Jesus said, “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does God's will" ~ Matthew 7:21
So yes, u are right, they are hypocrites when they use the name of religion to gain power and oppress people.. as Gandhi said to the British... "I like your Christ, but not you Christians"
The persecution Hindus have faced by the hands Abhramic cults has no competition in the world, but Hindus being dignified people never persecuted any minorities in their empires
First of all Islamic rule made India the richest region in the world. Hindus lived in relative peace in Islamic world. There was small cases of persecution but not large scale mainly by the Moguls. Plus Hindu don’t persecute? What is modi doing to Muslims? Muslims get hanged for no reason.
Actually it’s catholics who get persecuted the most
@@popefrancis8153 ??? Really please elaborate on this? Where are catholic being persecuted?????
@@umaryusuf537 bullshit read about Mughal ruler aurangzeb how he forcefully killed many hindus and sikh gurus who were not accepting islam .aurangzeb cruelty known to most of Hindus you are not Indian that's why try to defend Islamic ruler .aurangzeb destroyed many hindus temple especially Kashi lord Shiva temple .how much ignorant you are .modi bjp govt is good .he taking control of Islamic terrorist muslim who try to disturb india.muslims killing hindus inthe namy blasphame on prophet Muhammad disrespect .south asian muslim most of them have terrorist mind set.
You must be joking. A cursory internet search will give you a long list of atrocities committed by Hindus against Muslims, in India, since 1947.
Yet some Goan's like to be called portuguese whilst still holding an Indian passport and living in India - Stockholm syndrome anyone?
Nope most of us call ourselves Goenkar meaning from Goa or Goen (n is almost silent)
Only some call themselve Portuguese
i mean the reason is simple when you have been a part of a another country for half a century and finally get acknowledged In 1757,by King Joseph I of Portugal as a citizen of the country and then get annexed by India and are considered Indian union territory till 1987 when statehood is given. I mean you can't blame some of us (btw im goan😋). Its only been around 30 years since statehood.
@@craiglobo2165 i feel SRRY for ur ancestors bro ...after all wat they went through for almost 3 centuries !!
I'm from Goa, but I cant really say anything to that, because my Dad is from Portugal and mom has portuguese ancestors, so I consider my self half Indian half Portuguese
@@shttykr do not feel sorry...Most of them had a good live!
The St. Thomas Basalica church in Chennai near seashore was previously Kapaleeswara Temple. The temple was rebuilt near present Mayilapore Chennai.
This one kinda makes me sad.
Already in love your channel haha
Goa was just one colony
Diu and Daman were also captured and equal atrocities were conducted there.
Both were the ports of trade.
Gandhian styled protest ttook place first but then the Portuguese Ministry/Kings were to adamant to leave so India's first PM went non Gandhi way.
They ere taken back by Indian Army post 50s
Kudos to Egypt for not allowing the Portugal army to come through Mediterranean route.
You mean you invaded Goa against international law. And Kashmir. No wonder your neighbors hate you.
As a Portuguese person, this is why I hate the influence of the church in my country's history. When you start studying the age of discovery, you can see that at first, the Portuguese would just have trading posts, would mingle, marry, have kids and learn with the locals. The primary objective was trading good. When the Vatican started having a saying in the Portuguese court, everything turned very bad, very fast. I can trace my family name to the first wave of "new" Christians but records before that were lost,so, I don't know if it was actually a Jewish names or a name my family adopted when they were forcefully converted.
If you're from Portugal you're guaranteed to have some Muslim and or Jewish ancestry. Especially the more you go south.
@@saraqostahterra4548 Amigo...o sul de Portugal tem em média 15% de ADN do norte de África o NORTE tem 10% ...a diferença é muito pequena
As coisas no Brasil teriam sido muito piores se não fosse a Igreja.
Isto foi um período de fanatismo e nem acabou em 1821 como ele disse, acabou por volta do terramoto de Lisboa com o Marquês de Pombal a anular os poderes da inquisição.
Só para tu perceberes, todas as pessoas em Goa falavam concani quando a Índia anexou Goa, portanto a língua se foi proibida, não foi por muito tempo. Tens que ver estas informações com um olhar crítico, ( só um exemplo, o São Francisco já estava morto quando a inquisição foi instalada em Goa nem nunca trabalhou para a inquisição)
@@lxportugal9343 I don't speak Portugese amigo.
Yes, Portuguese have some north-african dna in them, just like north-west-africans have some Iberian dna in them. But I was actually just referring to Jewish and Muslim ancestry. Not necessarily north african.
@@saraqostahterra4548 ah ok.
I'm not sure what is Muslim ancestry??? To me that's a religion not an ancestry.
My ancestors escaped from Goa to protect Thier temple and religion
@sneksnekitsasnek this is kalyug
I would like to financially support the channel and I am overwhelmed by the content.
Thanks for making these, it graphically illustrates what we learnt in last 10 years
i heard one speech by some woman who was from Goa that the Portuguese wont allow Hindus to burn the bodies of dead as per their custom so they placed the burning bodies on boat and let them sail into ocean or river
That woman was lying
Because the Portuguese burned people
Portuguese didn´t allowed that hindu tradition to burn widows
@Devil Crusaders were from middle ages..Portugal was in Goa since Early modern period. 2 different realities
These converts are now abusing hindus for everything wrong. We must salute hindus and mostly "schedule caste" hindus of not changing there religion even after so much abuse by muslim and christian rulers.
Muslim??? Are u mad?! The muslims ruler helped to establish temple who were broken by the catholics....suna nahi kya dhyaan se
@@aryanhassan4659 🤣🤣🤣
We Hindus forgive the Christians and don't feel any sense of Revenge or Hatred today. Because we know Jesus would have never approved of all this. Evil men have done evil things in the name of God since History.
The inquisition became obsolete around the time of the Lisbon tsunami (1755), the target were usually Jews.
And if people read the bible they would never attack Jews... (or anybody else)
How do u know that mythical Jesus didn't approve this?
@pavan You never read the Bible
The comments in this video tell me otherwise. What the hell do they teach you in school? I had no idea we were this hated in India.
Portuguese considered goa there own territory for years to come..
I'm goan and to this day there are many symbols of oppression out there ..
Read 'Goa Inquisition' by Anant Priolkar
It’s very informative!
Hi sir Akshay. I'm your student from Manovikas school.
@@vipulsinari3384 Hi
Hi Sir I'm ur student from manovikas passed out in 2020
Hello @flynn gomes @vipul sinari
Beautiful Japan almost suffered the same fate as Gomantak.
Christianity survived in Japan and continues to this day . Lol and the Japanese were the ones who persecuted the Christians.
@@rebeccaanderson5626 you think?? No wonder.
@@TempleofBrendaSong am I wrong to say that Christianity survived in Japan even after Religious persuction
@@rebeccaanderson5626 hence my comment on top.
@@rebeccaanderson5626 could you imagine Japanese culture being banned by the Inquisition??
I'm Protestant Christian and I have to admit no one would wanna cross path with them Spanish and Portuguese Catholic bois in the 1500's 💀 Look at what they did in South America!
Witch burnings by Protestants, stones in glass houses, etc.
I BELONG TO A MARATHA COMMUNITY IN GOA ..BUT AFTER THE FALL OF MARATHA EMPIRE MY FAMILY MOVED TO THE SOUTH BECAUSE OF VARIOUS TAXES AND HARRASMENT BY THE PORTUGUESE..
TODAY I AM PROUD THAT MY FAMILY DIDNT CONVERT THEIR RELIGION FOR TAX EXEMPTIONS AND ALL ...
JAY SHIVRAY.!
The inquisition happened mostly in the coastal region (old conquest) of Goa. The central(hilly) and eastern(western ghat) region came under Portuguese rule only in the late eighteenth century. That too the vassals of marathas and later the wadiyars signed a treaty to protect the temples in the 'new conquest'.
True
And also because the Inquisition was ended in 1812 by the Court of Rio Janeiro and under the British pressures.
'Saint' Francis Xavier's rotting corpse is still in a lavish church built in his name and thousands of people make pilgrimages to pay there respects to the genocidal fanatic.
Half knowledge is never good. St Francis Xavier was never involved in the brutal inquisition.
I think the corpse belongs to someone else. Because as per the directions from Rome, left hand was cut off to be sent to Malaya and his blood also was drained out to be sent to other Portuguese colonies. It is rumoured that the body actually belongs to someone from other European or African country.
@@pearl1458 no, he just established an intolerant institution known to torture people into submission. How saintly. Unfortunately he kicked the bucket before he could join in the fun.
This is an illuminating and informative video about the history of Goa. I greatly appreciate the effort you've put in to do it. As an Indian I myself was not aware of the atrocities that was perpetrated on Indian soil by the erstwhile Portuguese monarchy. Good thing that Goa was annexed by the Indian Armed Forces in 1961.
Another excellent episode. The Indian subcontinet has to have one of the most puzzlingly neglected histories in the world. It is rich with great kingdoms and rulers, forgotten battles and empires, fascinating people. The people of India (and the world) really ought to know more about it. When digging in the gold mine of Indian history, you're sure to find many nuggets.
If you don't know of this website already, then there is Livehistoryindia, a cool website that focuses on interesting moments in indian history, like for instance how Purate King Henry Avery stole from a mughal treasure ship, and having him branded by the English and Mughals as a international criminal.
@@mylesjude233 Thank you. I'll certainly have a look there.
Thanks David! Glad to keep making videos :)
Wow wonderful video! Please do a video on Kerala and the kingdoms of Calicut, Cochin and Travancore! Especially of their battles and relationships with the Portuguese!
Thanks buddy! I think you may have mentioned it before, and it’s definitely on my mind! Just trying to figure out some shorter videos first :)
@@OddCompass Totally great that you remembered! Anxiously waiting for those videos! Amazing work once again...keep it up!
Well, maybe I understand now why India was so anxious to kick the Portuguese out of Goa when they got the chance in 1961.
Because Goan themselves demanded Indian intervention and pro-freedom movement against Portugal was common thing
@@Shivam-tn9xe These neo colonialist Portuguese and even a few Goan Catholics are still kn denial.
One Portuguese was saying, Goans were "crying" when India "colonized" them
@@adriangaming4853 that is easy way to make Portuguese believe on protuguese inquisition agendas
A bit more complex than that and almost warmed the cold war. And the fact Portugal was a dictatorship at the time didn't help
@@Shivam-tn9xe " *Because Goan themselves demanded Indian intervention* "
I'm sorry to say this to you but that's a lie that Indians authorities told to Indians to justified the annexation
Indonesia used to say the same lie about Timor-Leste, when they made a referendum the whole world could see they didn't want to became part of Indonesia, but Timorenses payed a high price for that referendum (1/3 of it's population died in 24 years of Indonesian occupation). While in Goa people preferred to avoid confrontation, a lot of Goans left Goa after the annexation and India never made a referendum in Goa.
It's not the Portuguese that are still in denial, it's the Indians that can't understand why Goans like Portuguese, it's incomprehensible for them
*You probably are a patriotic so you will not like this truth, but hey... I have to swallow the bad things my ancestors did too... and I'm still watching this video*
Indian liberandus might not be able to process these facts
History is complex and nuanced. I recommend reading the pinned comment for further details on the internal dissensions within the Portuguese ranks. Also, I think it's important to separate history from modern-day politics. Modern-day politics and ideology should not motivate our examinations and understandings of history, whether you're "right-wing" or "left-wing."
@@OddCompass I like your videos.... I think myself as an indian nationalist rather then hindu nationalist or Islamist And I think in india both the left and the right forget many things to formed their echo chamber and that in history religion was just a weapon to gain power.
@@OddCompass I wish history in India wasn't politicised. We have such a great history.
Sorry guys! We were in a kind of rampage back then. I bet it was all that spice. This empire thing was new but we’ve become more friendly with the passing of the centuries
We hope so... 😀😀
Too late for sorry now 😂 Indians run economies in most European and North American places, I guess it's the karma.
I hope Indians can be friendly and not as cruel as others were to them haha.
@Amey Tiwari please don't use Hindi here Goa is non-hindi speaking state everyone might not understand u
@@snaik9141 I don't think Goans don't understand Hindi tho🤔
This makes my blood boil.
Let the inquisitors rot in h#ll
Jaffna was under portuguese until.the dutch came.
They’ll be rotting in purgatory for what I know
@@popefrancis8153 Amen.
Were the Dutch better? Genuinely curious, the Indonesians hate them like rat poison.
My family had fled from Goa too and they aslo destroyed our temple
Ok
@@portugallusitanocelta7120 enjoy Islam lol.
@@DibyarupRoy fam I put idols around the kaabah
Great video sir as an indian living in Maharashtra I never knew about this inquisition that took place in Goa. The Portuguese had other colonies in Gujrat Daman and Diu did the native people suffer such attrocities there too ?
do u know th attrocites done by ur ancestors?
@@nikkeipvck8529 He is converted fellow
The Portuguese Inquisition in Ceylon was conducted by the very same Portuguese Inquisitors who had arrived in Ceylon to spread their religion via peaceful means failing which by brutal use of the sword.
I am not Indian people but when i watch this.... How cruel portuguese merchant at that time.... 🙄
We did worse in Africa.
The inquisition was not just a religiously motivated process but alsoa colonial process. During they inquisition they banned the usage of Konkani (the native langauge), both speaking and writing were banned and all books were burned, the practice of local customs and traditions were also banned.
All of that (except the language part, of course) also happened in Portugal. It’s actually one of the main reasons we declined as a global power.
You got the British instead.