ive been a ironworker for the past 5 years..recently joined a carpentry shop..natural woodwooker by blood both my father & grandfather were carpenters...i JUST LEARNED THIS TRICK 2 WEEKS AGO from my Supervisor Mickey Nardone
When I worked in the lumber yard,we had a high-school Deca student girl,that was in danger of flanking out of math class because she didn't understand fractions; I got her a tape measure & we went to the warehouse where the dimensional lumber and plywood was kept; for several days my boss allowed me to help her with " lumber yard" fractions- basically the exact same method you used in the video! On the day of her math test,she came to work with a smile on her face & a copy of the test with an A- minus on it! She said the teacher told them they couldn't use calculators or cell phones in his class...but he didn't mention anything about a tape measure;( the math teacher knew she was a D.E.C.A. student & worked that class at our lumber yard & didn't think anything out of the ordinary when she came to class with her company issued tape measure) she told me later ,when she had a hard set of fractions to add or subtract,she pulled her tape measure out a couple of inches & figured out the answer! I wish more teachers & young people could learn " lumber yard fractions" Back in 1965 when I was in the 1st grade,we learned " math" on wooden ruler with a metal straight edge. Just before our D.E.C.A. student graduated from high-school, we had one of our regular yard hands call in sick & we had a large order for some custom cut lumber...our student volunteered to go out in the yard & help get the order cut to specifications! It made me proud when the order went out on time & no mistakes made in the custom cut lumber! Sometimes the old ways are still the best way!
Glad it worked for her. Now if that was a common core school she would have gotten an F even if the answer was right. Good thing the teacher wasn't an A-hole
@@TrussttN01 - No one's concerned with size except manlets - just as with bodybuilders; no one's looking at them except other sweaty, ugly, jealous manlets! 🤣
@@DennisMathias If you know how to use a slide rule you can do the type of addition shown in this video faster in your head than fiddling with a tape measure.
I've never seen anyone else doing this until now. My dad taught me that trick when I was like 5 or 6. When he was teaching me how to read a tape measure (way before we were taught fractions in school). He wasn't a carpenter but a union construction laborer so he worked around carpenters. Dad growing up during the depression started working early and made sure us kids did too. I was 6 the summer between 1st and 2nd grade when he was putting 1xs on a roof on an addition to our house when he first had me cutting boards for sheathing with a circular saw. I'm sure he would have get in trouble for that now days but I've been sawing ever since and still have all my fingers so ....
Here's another trick to add to your tool bag: Easy way to divide odd fractional measurement in half (find midpoint): Say you want to find half of 17 3/8" Reduce the 17 to the next lower whole inch and divide by 2 (16/2 = 8) Add the top and bottom of the fraction (3+8 = 11) Put that sum over the next smaller fraction (11/16) Midpoint of 17 3/8" = 8 11/16" Do it a few times on paper, and it will become very easy to do it in your head.
You really should stress that this only works if the number of whole inches is odd, and that it gives the wrong answer if you try it with an even number of whole inches. I know you wrote it was for odd numbers, but I think it could be easaily overlooked. Pretty nifty trick though.
Clarification: In the above method, "odd" is not a synonym for "unusual." It is +mathematical+ odd. The method fails if the whole number is an EVEN number. Example: Half of 6 3/4 is not 3 7/8. It'll always work when the whole number is ODD: Half of 7 3/4 is 3 7/8.
@@cybermanne Dividing *even* measurements with fractions is easy. Why would anyone need a "trick" to divide an even measurement? I very clearly started the comment with "Easy way to divide _odd_ fractional measurement in half"
@@mikerew9132 I also acknowledged that you stated it was a method to divide odd numbers. The reason to use the same trick with even numbers is possibly that it might be percieved as easier to not have to even worry about doing different methods depending on odd or even. I just thought the method could to with an extra "warning label".
Great video. I will say I stopped using imperial measurements 2 decades ago after getting out of school. The metric system is so much quicker and more accurate when doing simple math.
As a Pipefitter, I have used the same trick for years taking out for fittings and marking pipe length. I also learned to fold the tape and connect the 2 measurements then read the tape at the end for adding and subtracting. Measure up to add and down to subtract.
Old carpenters know lots of neat tricks, especially with folding rules and angle squares. As an Instrument Fitter, I was taught to write everything down in base 16 so 5 7/16" is written as 5.7. If I needed greater resolution for say 1/4"OD tubing and below, I would add a 32nd by putting a + sign behind so 5 15/32" is 5.7+. The whole process that we were taught of simplifying fractions just wastes time. Of course, just going metric is also a nice idea if you can but wasn't practical when using materials sized to imperial dimension.
I have to take an operators test coming up this week to get into the union and I’m doing my best to brush up on some basic math just in case … this is a great idea not sure if I’ll need it but it’s cool to see thanks for showing us
My dad was a commercial glass glazier. One of the smartest, and best, men I ever knew. He was born into a very poor Central Texas family in 1923. He never set foot in a school room as a student and was functionally illiterate his whole life. But he had more than his share of common sense and he knew numbers inside and out. He could add, subtract, multiple, divide and work out angles with his trusty 25’ metal tape. I never really got the hang of what was going on in his head. Amazing. He passed was in in 2004 at the age of 81. I wish I had spent more time learning from him!
Thanks for sharing, I’ll remember this one. I must admit, I use the metric system in calculating, measuring and weight, but always had trouble with fractions. Thanks to you and Bob for helping me out on this one👍
As a wood pattern maker I would do that a lot just to figure out how long a piece I needed to cut to extend an already cut piece. Mostly when cutting staves. I also would add or subtract fractions in my head. Taught many apprentices how do subtract a larger fraction from a smaller. Such as 3 7/16 minus 1 7/8. Pattern making involved a lot of math for sure. Nice to see someone else doing this.
@@TRPGpilot not an option after 70 years of using fractions. It's an entirely different mind-set, like all of a sudden you are going to like liver and onions after a lifetime of avoidance. Not happening...
@@vashon100 Oh yeah, I saw many things along the way, and see many things today, too. Result? Glad I'm retired wouldn't want to be in the business today. Still have a hand tool woodshop to chisel, saw and hammer when I need something real. Also have all ten phlanges and they still work. ;-)
Been taking my son to work and teaching him the trade. He's pretty young and struggles with math being a dyslexic. This should work really well for him! Thanks for the reminder of this old trick.
nice. i actually have used this trick before in a different way. it's a lot quicker/easier hanging the 2nd number off the edge like that. ;) i would just make a mark for the first number, measure out the 2nd number from that mark and that is where i needed to cut or give me the total measurement.
I remember watching my father, one day using his folding carpenters rule and working the sliding metal piece back and forth, like you would use a slide rule, all the while talking to himself in his head. Now my father had been a carpenter since he was a kid during the depression, and had no formal education. He could barely write his name, yet it was obvious to me that he was working some kind of math using that ruler. I never asked him about what he was doing, fearing that it would embarrass him, he was sort of sensitive to his lack of education but I'd be willing to bet he was working something similar to what you've described here. I wish now I'd asked him to explain it to me. He went to Glory many years ago. When I see him again in heaven, I'll ask him about it.
I'm old enough to remember learning to use a slide rule, works exactly the same way but uses log scales to multiply and divide by adding or subtracting a linear distance.
When I was a young apprentice, my old school Journeyman made me memorize decimal fractions. From that point on it was just adding or subtracting, non of that numerator, denominator stuff. Measurements were dead nuts on every time.
Its so much easier to use metric. When I first started working I was given the task of adding up all the dimensions on the plan of a large slab sided office block that was in a long string of imperial measurements of feet, inches and various dissimilar fractions, as the guys on site had set out the two sides and they were different lengths. I spent all day doing the arithmetic and couldn't get them to match or even get consistently close, eventually I got a close consensus and passed it on to someone else to resolve. Had it been dimensioned in metric it would have taken me 5 minutes with a calculator or ten minutes by hand.
@Magpie I grew up with imperial, feet inches, ergs and dynes etc but we changed 50 years ago and honestly, having used both extensively there is no doubt that the metric system is infinitely easier and much, much quicker. As a country we still use miles, furlongs and chains and most people I know can easily converse in both methods. Indeed, I have had intelligent detailed professional discussions using a combination of both systems simultaneously.
Although i have no problem doing the calculations in my head, I am going to use this method because it is quick and easy, and there are time when i just don't feel like playing human calculator. I like this trick a lot and can't believe I have never seen it before.
when i first started doing vynal sideing work the guy that tought me could lay out metal for bending brick mold to wrap windows the metal is 2 foot wide he would bend it to look like brick mold. it was 3/8 x 1 x 1 x 1/2 x1/2 x 3/4 cut he could go all the way across the 2 foot calling out the numbers for me to mark on the outher side any way it amazed me how he could keep up with all those marks and number like rain man lol
As a draftsman [ old fashioned retired ] I was trained to add numbers and fractions by mental exercise first , slide rule second and calculators third. For everyday use ...this is an incredibly intelligent way of summing two whole numbers and their fractions and it can also be used to subtract going the in the opposite direction .
Great! Someone that knows what I do. And to answer that guy talking about being all smarty smart using your math knowledge: If you are not smart in this type of math, you don't belong in a business where this is used. If you can't do the math, you are in the wrong business!
You are using your tape measure as a number line so subtraction can also be done. Put a mark at the minuend and then put your subtrahend on the mark and measure back to the beginning of the board and put a second mark at the 0 on your tape measure. Measure from the end of the board to your second mark and you will have your answer.
@@ronaldclobes9340 How do you know that terminology? I've never heard of those words. Had to look it up. Learned something new. I put it in the video. Thanks. 👍
@@herrickkimball I saw DumbAss Loser's comment on whether this could be used for subtraction so I was initially answering that comment. I vaguely knew the word subtrahend but I wanted to make sure I was using it correctly so I looked it up in the dictionary (Google) and read a few of the questions below the links. Turns out what I thought was the Subtrahend was actually the Minuend and so I had to use both words in my comment so they would stick. I learned a new word today (minuend). Words are fun to use and learning is fun too.
@@nilpo yes I'm sure you could say 32 ⅔mm but just why would you? Can't measure it with a Vernier or micrometer, nobody recognises it other than being a bit odd and it contradicts the whole straightforward, easy to get your head around concept of the metric system.
@@nilpo yes and no. Sure, you *can* use fractions in the metric system, but typically, you do not. If you need more precision than millimetres, you use micrometres, but you've then entered the realm of engineering, not carpentry. Similarly, you can go from micrometres to nanometres. And yes, there are further, higher precision scales* if you really need them, but then you're well beyond engineering and in the world of particle physics. * They're really not separate scales, the prefixes represent specific powers of ten: pico (10^-12), femto (10^-15), atto (10^-18), zepto (10^-21 ), yocto(10^-24). For example, the diameter of a Hydrogen atom is believed to be around 212 picometres (2.12*10^-14 metres) in diameter. What fraction of an inch is that?
@@mattlivingston2192 Oh, I understand how it works. For scientific measurements, sure, metric is fine for defining precision. But measuring in everyday life is more often qualitative, not quantitative. I know they two halves fit in a single inch. If something is 3/8 inches, I know without any thought that I can fit at least three 1/8 inch objects in that space. I wouldn't use inches to measure the diameter of a hydrogen atom to exacting standards. Take cooking though. If recipe calls for 2/3 cups of flour. It becomes almost thoughtless to half the recipe. And that recipe doesn't require the exactness of micrograms. It's also easier to use smaller measurements collectively. If my recipe instead called for 3/4 cups flour, but I only had a 1/4 cup measure. I know without any effort that I need to use my measure cup exactly three times. These applications, while possible, are far less intuitive in the metric system.
As an old woodworker for almost 50 years, this is never a problem for me! In the thumbnail image for this video, the sum of the equation is 17-13/16. Too simple to solve. I could do it when I was 8 years old!
There is a model used in school today to help kids visualize the sum of two numbers. It is similar to Herrick’s (Bob’s) trick. Each number is represented by a rectangle. Both are together end to end and the total is labeled at the top. Now we just need to introduce tape measures in the classroom.
I'm math dyslexic, and numbers flip themselves in my mind without my even knowing it, so I was horrible with it all through school, still am. I wanted to be a meteorologist, but with all the numbers required, that particular career was out. Most technical careers are, but I'm retired now, so it doesn't matter. Nonetheless, this is a very useful thing for me to know even as just an ordinary retired (woman) of 70.
The best fastest and most accurate method of measure whether calculating rafters ,stairs ,volume ,is using 1 unit of measure .no fractions to make mistakes with .
We didn't have time to put marks on a board so we just folded the tape over to line up the number and fraction. You can add, subtract and divide on a tape measure.
Ha ha. Thank you. I just commented on another of your vids that I was going to watch this one. Honestly, I had it in my head before you were finished (because I DO have the math gene, or whatever - OK, I'm old and I was taught to do this and was already on common denominators before the words left you mouth), but it is still a beautiful tip and a gem for when the CD is hard to find.
Is it that hard to convert 3/8 to 6/16 and add six and seven. What if you are measuring something say four foot something and three foot something. Then your arms are not long enough. If you are not tied down to feet and inches try the metric system. I think it is more accurate than having to go eleven and three eights plus. Most times a sixteenth is good enough unless you are making jewelry boxes or something. I like to measure right off of what I have and the piece I need if you get me. Takes a sharp pencil.
Nice. I had the answer in my head within a few seconds. I'm old, so I learned fractions of inches in my younger days. These days everything is metric where I am, so that's what I use now. I like maths tricks. I'm going to show this one to my son.
I think you should teach your son how to do proper maths instead; especially given that inch fractions are so simple as they're based on multiples of 2...
I'm one who was born with the math gene. I did both of them in my head in less time than it would take to pick up the piece of what ever to use the tape measure on, much less the time it takes to do the trick.
Great trick, I've used it before. From what I hear a slide rule works on the same principle but for multiplication. Any good tricks to share for math with a framing square? I just found an entire (old) book about that subject and was blown away.
There are some great shortcuts using a framing square. Figuring number of risers for a stair and figuring the riser height for each riser. Great stuff like that
Just a tip: take a look at your framing square and pay close attention to the markings on both sides. One side is most likely normal measurements while the other is split up into tenths for some diabolical reason. Don't get them mixed up or you'll screw up whatever you're working on. Especially annoying when trying to do something like cut stair stringers.
If you're working with 108-3/8" and 12-5/16" you could just subtract the 100 (leaving 8-3/8"), use the technique, and then add the 100" back on when you're done.
I do something similar. I measure and make a mark at the first number. Then I put the 10” mark on the tape measure on that first pencil mark and then measure the second distance and make another pencil mark. Then hook the tape and pull to the second mark for the total.
It just scares me to think that we have to always have a trick or hack in order to learn to do simple math in your head. I'm in my 40s and I just don't get that people can't do simple things anymore, but I guess it's something to get used to. I would use this is a second check but it is a great thing to teach when one can't use their head
ive been a ironworker for the past 5 years..recently joined a carpentry shop..natural woodwooker by blood both my father & grandfather were carpenters...i JUST LEARNED THIS TRICK 2 WEEKS AGO from my Supervisor Mickey Nardone
When I worked in the lumber yard,we had a high-school Deca student girl,that was in danger of flanking out of math class because she didn't understand fractions; I got her a tape measure & we went to the warehouse where the dimensional lumber and plywood was kept; for several days my boss allowed me to help her with " lumber yard" fractions- basically the exact same method you used in the video! On the day of her math test,she came to work with a smile on her face & a copy of the test with an A- minus on it! She said the teacher told them they couldn't use calculators or cell phones in his class...but he didn't mention anything about a tape measure;( the math teacher knew she was a D.E.C.A. student & worked that class at our lumber yard & didn't think anything out of the ordinary when she came to class with her company issued tape measure) she told me later ,when she had a hard set of fractions to add or subtract,she pulled her tape measure out a couple of inches & figured out the answer! I wish more teachers & young people could learn " lumber yard fractions" Back in 1965 when I was in the 1st grade,we learned " math" on wooden ruler with a metal straight edge. Just before our D.E.C.A. student graduated from high-school, we had one of our regular yard hands call in sick & we had a large order for some custom cut lumber...our student volunteered to go out in the yard & help get the order cut to specifications! It made me proud when the order went out on time & no mistakes made in the custom cut lumber! Sometimes the old ways are still the best way!
Glad it worked for her. Now if that was a common core school she would have gotten an F even if the answer was right. Good thing the teacher wasn't an A-hole
@@lelandgaunt7130 Jealousy is not a nice attitude.
Well if you teach them how to use a ruler, they will know what 8 inches really looks like lol.
@@TrussttN01 🤣
@@TrussttN01 - No one's concerned with size except manlets - just as with bodybuilders; no one's looking at them except other sweaty, ugly, jealous manlets! 🤣
Thanks for posting. Basic way that a slide rule works, for those of us old enough to know what one is :)
Yea, but you can't add on a slide rule. Slide rules are logarithmic too.
@@DennisMathias that's true of most slide rules but one could create an addition slide rule with a linear scale.
@@DennisMathias If you know how to use a slide rule you can do the type of addition shown in this video faster in your head than fiddling with a tape measure.
I thought the same thing. Genius though
@@AlanTuringWannabe The log scale is linear. That's the basic theory of the slide rule. To multiply two base 10 numbers, just add their logs.
I've never seen anyone else doing this until now. My dad taught me that trick when I was like 5 or 6. When he was teaching me how to read a tape measure (way before we were taught fractions in school). He wasn't a carpenter but a union construction laborer so he worked around carpenters. Dad growing up during the depression started working early and made sure us kids did too. I was 6 the summer between 1st and 2nd grade when he was putting 1xs on a roof on an addition to our house when he first had me cutting boards for sheathing with a circular saw. I'm sure he would have get in trouble for that now days but I've been sawing ever since and still have all my fingers so ....
I've worked in the trades most of my adult life, I'm 55 now. I've NEVER seen that, I'll certainly use it. Thanks, new sub 👍👍
How about an even better, more modern trick? Just use metric . . .
Use metric ffs
I have been a contractor for 29 years and never seen this. I must admit, I wish I knew it long before now. I always did the long math.
Here's another trick to add to your tool bag:
Easy way to divide odd fractional measurement in half (find midpoint):
Say you want to find half of 17 3/8"
Reduce the 17 to the next lower whole inch and divide by 2
(16/2 = 8)
Add the top and bottom of the fraction
(3+8 = 11)
Put that sum over the next smaller fraction
(11/16)
Midpoint of 17 3/8" = 8 11/16"
Do it a few times on paper, and it will become very easy to do it in your head.
You really should stress that this only works if the number of whole inches is odd, and that it gives the wrong answer if you try it with an even number of whole inches. I know you wrote it was for odd numbers, but I think it could be easaily overlooked. Pretty nifty trick though.
Clarification: In the above method, "odd" is not a synonym for "unusual." It is +mathematical+ odd. The method fails if the whole number is an EVEN number. Example: Half of 6 3/4 is not 3 7/8. It'll always work when the whole number is ODD: Half of 7 3/4 is 3 7/8.
@@cybermanne Dividing *even* measurements with fractions is easy. Why would anyone need a "trick" to divide an even measurement?
I very clearly started the comment with "Easy way to divide _odd_ fractional measurement in half"
@@brettchr777 Can you name me an "unusual" number?
@@mikerew9132 I also acknowledged that you stated it was a method to divide odd numbers.
The reason to use the same trick with even numbers is possibly that it might be percieved as easier to not have to even worry about doing different methods depending on odd or even.
I just thought the method could to with an extra "warning label".
Great video. I will say I stopped using imperial measurements 2 decades ago after getting out of school. The metric system is so much quicker and more accurate when doing simple math.
As a Pipefitter, I have used the same trick for years taking out for fittings and marking pipe length. I also learned to fold the tape and connect the 2 measurements then read the tape at the end for adding and subtracting. Measure up to add and down to subtract.
Plumber here and I do the same. Even though when I started I thought people who did this were just bad at math lol.
Old carpenters know lots of neat tricks, especially with folding rules and angle squares. As an Instrument Fitter, I was taught to write everything down in base 16 so 5 7/16" is written as 5.7. If I needed greater resolution for say 1/4"OD tubing and below, I would add a 32nd by putting a + sign behind so 5 15/32" is 5.7+. The whole process that we were taught of simplifying fractions just wastes time. Of course, just going metric is also a nice idea if you can but wasn't practical when using materials sized to imperial dimension.
Cool concept. Why work in all these various fractions when we can just use 16ths. I'm going to try that, thanks 👍
I have to take an operators test coming up this week to get into the union and I’m doing my best to brush up on some basic math just in case … this is a great idea not sure if I’ll need it but it’s cool to see thanks for showing us
I’m dislexic , you just saved me one hell of a headache . Thank you brother .
My dad was a commercial glass glazier. One of the smartest, and best, men I ever knew. He was born into a very poor Central Texas family in 1923. He never set foot in a school room as a student and was functionally illiterate his whole life. But he had more than his share of common sense and he knew numbers inside and out. He could add, subtract, multiple, divide and work out angles with his trusty 25’ metal tape. I never really got the hang of what was going on in his head. Amazing. He passed was in in 2004 at the age of 81. I wish I had spent more time learning from him!
Thanks for sharing, I’ll remember this one. I must admit, I use the metric system in calculating, measuring and weight, but always had trouble with fractions. Thanks to you and Bob for helping me out on this one👍
Great trick, I love it, much appreciated and thank you to Bob also. Chris in UK. 👍👍👍
As a wood pattern maker I would do that a lot just to figure out how long a piece I needed to cut to extend an already cut piece. Mostly when cutting staves.
I also would add or subtract fractions in my head. Taught many apprentices how do subtract a larger fraction from a smaller. Such as 3 7/16 minus 1 7/8.
Pattern making involved a lot of math for sure.
Nice to see someone else doing this.
Nice trick. Fortunately in the UK we mostly use metric system.
Great tip! Retired carpenter, age 73. My father was a lifetime woodworker who raised six kids. Never saw this method before!
How about an even better, more modern trick? Just use metric . . .
@@TRPGpilot not an option after 70 years of using fractions. It's an entirely different mind-set, like all of a sudden you are going to like liver and onions after a lifetime of avoidance. Not happening...
@@mjac8373 I hear you. I think we are never too old to learn new things but then again I am not 70. I might feel differently at that age. :-)
And you've "sawed" a lot of things! (I'm here all week)
@@vashon100 Oh yeah, I saw many things along the way, and see many things today, too. Result? Glad I'm retired wouldn't want to be in the business today. Still have a hand tool woodshop to chisel, saw and hammer when I need something real. Also have all ten phlanges and they still work. ;-)
I’m a cabinetmaker/ woodworker for 30 years, I’ve been doing this for years, I never thought of showing it to anyone because I felt like I’m cheating
Use metric ffs
@@michaelspeller9917 my friend from Hungry has been teaching me but it’s tough to change at my age .
Adds more potential for error IMO than just doing it in my head w. common denominators.
That's a good one to remember. Very useful. Thanks & give my thankes to Bob.
Been taking my son to work and teaching him the trade. He's pretty young and struggles with math being a dyslexic. This should work really well for him! Thanks for the reminder of this old trick.
nice. i actually have used this trick before in a different way. it's a lot quicker/easier hanging the 2nd number off the edge like that. ;)
i would just make a mark for the first number, measure out the 2nd number from that mark and that is where i needed to cut or give me the total measurement.
that is how trim carpenters do it.
This is BRILLIANT! Thanks Bob!
I have dyslexia and could never add fractions. What a great simple trick! Thanks for sharing !!
So simple and useful! Thanks! This is one of those "why didn't I think of that" Ideas. Sometimes what seems hard have the simplest solutions.
someone did think of that, it's called metric and it's been around for decades
I remember watching my father, one day using his folding carpenters rule and working the sliding metal piece back and forth, like you would use a slide rule, all the while talking to himself in his head. Now my father had been a carpenter since he was a kid during the depression, and had no formal education. He could barely write his name, yet it was obvious to me that he was working some kind of math using that ruler. I never asked him about what he was doing, fearing that it would embarrass him, he was sort of sensitive to his lack of education but I'd be willing to bet he was working something similar to what you've described here. I wish now I'd asked him to explain it to me. He went to Glory many years ago. When I see him again in heaven, I'll ask him about it.
I take it you have placed your hope in Jesus?
He may be reincarnated by the time you get there and miss him.
@@vashon100 if your hope is in being reincarnated to a different person, animal, or thing, you will be very, very disappointed.
@@duradim1 Actually I don't want to come back. I don't believe in reincarnation. But none of us including you know for sure what happens.
@@vashon100 I do know for sure. The Bible even tells me I can know for sure where I will spend eternity (1 John 5:13).
I'm old enough to remember learning to use a slide rule, works exactly the same way but uses log scales to multiply and divide by adding or subtracting a linear distance.
@mind fornication so what did yall do? leave your fingers outside the door?LOL!
Awesome, thank you. No more scribbling on drywall.
A trick I will definitely use!! Thanks
Herrick, thank you very much, this is a fantastic method of calculating. A method I personally have never seen before, great.
When I was a young apprentice, my old school Journeyman made me memorize decimal fractions. From that point on it was just adding or subtracting, non of that numerator, denominator stuff. Measurements were dead nuts on every time.
Excellent tip! Thank you Herrick!
Its so much easier to use metric. When I first started working I was given the task of adding up all the dimensions on the plan of a large slab sided office block that was in a long string of imperial measurements of feet, inches and various dissimilar fractions, as the guys on site had set out the two sides and they were different lengths. I spent all day doing the arithmetic and couldn't get them to match or even get consistently close, eventually I got a close consensus and passed it on to someone else to resolve. Had it been dimensioned in metric it would have taken me 5 minutes with a calculator or ten minutes by hand.
yea, but 36-24-36 dosent mean anything in metric
@@2bigbufords I've never had to add those up but I have had to examine them individually 😀😀 However, 91.4 - 61-91.4 does sound more substantial.
@Magpie I grew up with imperial, feet inches, ergs and dynes etc but we changed 50 years ago and honestly, having used both extensively there is no doubt that the metric system is infinitely easier and much, much quicker. As a country we still use miles, furlongs and chains and most people I know can easily converse in both methods. Indeed, I have had intelligent detailed professional discussions using a combination of both systems simultaneously.
@@clivewilliams3661 LOL, your right
Metric? Don't go bringing logic into this.
Nice! You've used your tape measure to make a crude slide rule! That's the computer we used to go to the moon!!
Although i have no problem doing the calculations in my head, I am going to use this method because it is quick and easy, and there are time when i just don't feel like playing human calculator. I like this trick a lot and can't believe I have never seen it before.
Probably the best tip I ever saw!!
Wish I knew this trick years ago!! Thank you!!!
when i first started doing vynal sideing work the guy that tought me could lay out metal for bending brick mold to wrap windows the metal is 2 foot wide he would bend it to look like brick mold. it was 3/8 x 1 x 1 x 1/2 x1/2 x 3/4 cut he could go all the way across the 2 foot calling out the numbers for me to mark on the outher side any way it amazed me how he could keep up with all those marks and number like rain man lol
My grandfather taught me that method as a young electrician. He called it "Alabama math."
Excellent valuable trick!
Bravo, you see us old guys know stuff.
Been doing this trick for years it’s great
Thanks Bob! Thanks Herrick!
so next you can tell us what the diamond is for on the tape at 19.2 and 38.4, 57.6 etc?
It's for framing and saving 1 stud every 8 feet I think.
Simple! Great tip. Sometimes my brain breaks and I need tricks like this.
Specially at the end of a long day 👍
just an implementation of the slide rule.. nice! i never thought of this..
Thanks for sharing this. I had never heard of this before now.
As a draftsman [ old fashioned retired ] I was trained to add numbers and fractions by mental exercise first , slide rule second and calculators third. For everyday use ...this is an incredibly intelligent way of summing two whole numbers and their fractions and it can also be used to subtract going the in the opposite direction .
Thank You and Thank You Bob. Brilliant...
Cool . Thanks for passing on the knowledge. 🖖
Another method for fractions is to convert 3/8" to 6/16" and add that to 7/16" for the sum of 13/16".
If you have a pencil out, why not? 🙂
There you go again being all smarty smart using your math knowledge.
Great! Someone that knows what I do.
And to answer that guy talking about being all smarty smart using your math knowledge: If you are not smart in this type of math, you don't belong in a business where this is used. If you can't do the math, you are in the wrong business!
@@jimberg98 I can do it all in my head; no pencil needed. I only use pencils to write my measurements onto any design I draw.
Or just use decimals only... Or better yet, go metric.
What a great tip.....quick and easy....
Thanks so much...God love you
You are using your tape measure as a number line so subtraction can also be done. Put a mark at the minuend and then put your subtrahend on the mark and measure back to the beginning of the board and put a second mark at the 0 on your tape measure. Measure from the end of the board to your second mark and you will have your answer.
Very good, Ron. Believe it or not, I'm actually in the process of editing the subtraction trick video right now! 🙂👍
@@herrickkimball Well be sure you use minuend and subtrahend.
@@ronaldclobes9340 How do you know that terminology? I've never heard of those words. Had to look it up. Learned something new. I put it in the video. Thanks. 👍
@@herrickkimball I saw DumbAss Loser's comment on whether this could be used for subtraction so I was initially answering that comment. I vaguely knew the word subtrahend but I wanted to make sure I was using it correctly so I looked it up in the dictionary (Google) and read a few of the questions below the links. Turns out what I thought was the Subtrahend was actually the Minuend and so I had to use both words in my comment so they would stick. I learned a new word today (minuend). Words are fun to use and learning is fun too.
Great ad for changing to the use of the metric system in the USA
I've never seen this trick used in carpentry, but my mother-in-law used a similar trick with tailor's tape or a ruler to measure fabric.
nice....and with this trick you can make subtraction too. hang the smaller number, mark for the larger. then measure from end to mark.
Nice! I can add fractions in my head and I'll still go with this.
Nice one!
I'll stick to metric, nothing complicated about millimetres!
Millimeters have fractions too.
@@nilpo yes I'm sure you could say 32 ⅔mm but just why would you? Can't measure it with a Vernier or micrometer, nobody recognises it other than being a bit odd and it contradicts the whole straightforward, easy to get your head around concept of the metric system.
@@nilpo but we don't use fractions a lot. Just rounded mm's should be enough for most woodworking.
@@nilpo yes and no. Sure, you *can* use fractions in the metric system, but typically, you do not.
If you need more precision than millimetres, you use micrometres, but you've then entered the realm of engineering, not carpentry.
Similarly, you can go from micrometres to nanometres. And yes, there are further, higher precision scales* if you really need them, but then you're well beyond engineering and in the world of particle physics.
* They're really not separate scales, the prefixes represent specific powers of ten: pico (10^-12), femto (10^-15), atto (10^-18), zepto (10^-21 ), yocto(10^-24). For example, the diameter of a Hydrogen atom is believed to be around 212 picometres (2.12*10^-14 metres) in diameter. What fraction of an inch is that?
@@mattlivingston2192 Oh, I understand how it works. For scientific measurements, sure, metric is fine for defining precision. But measuring in everyday life is more often qualitative, not quantitative. I know they two halves fit in a single inch. If something is 3/8 inches, I know without any thought that I can fit at least three 1/8 inch objects in that space. I wouldn't use inches to measure the diameter of a hydrogen atom to exacting standards.
Take cooking though. If recipe calls for 2/3 cups of flour. It becomes almost thoughtless to half the recipe. And that recipe doesn't require the exactness of micrograms. It's also easier to use smaller measurements collectively. If my recipe instead called for 3/4 cups flour, but I only had a 1/4 cup measure. I know without any effort that I need to use my measure cup exactly three times. These applications, while possible, are far less intuitive in the metric system.
As an old woodworker for almost 50 years, this is never a problem for me! In the thumbnail image for this video, the sum of the equation is 17-13/16. Too simple to solve. I could do it when I was 8 years old!
Cool trick. Cheers
What a terrific tip, wish I knew this when I was a kid.
There is a model used in school today to help kids visualize the sum of two numbers. It is similar to Herrick’s (Bob’s) trick. Each number is represented by a rectangle. Both are together end to end and the total is labeled at the top. Now we just need to introduce tape measures in the classroom.
Wow thats a cool trick! Thank you for sharing!
I'm math dyslexic, and numbers flip themselves in my mind without my even knowing it, so I was horrible with it all through school, still am. I wanted to be a meteorologist, but with all the numbers required, that particular career was out. Most technical careers are, but I'm retired now, so it doesn't matter. Nonetheless, this is a very useful thing for me to know even as just an ordinary retired (woman) of 70.
That’s a simple slide rule. Very cool.
Thanks Bob. Thanks Herrick. I have learned something new and useful. 😂
The best fastest and most accurate method of measure whether calculating rafters ,stairs ,volume ,is using 1 unit of measure .no fractions to make mistakes with .
I don't use the piece of wood. I just extend the tape the first number, then extend the tape the second number to get your total.
Watch out for compounding errors. 1/16th diff per measurement adds up.
And on the 8th day, God being the ultimate carpenter, made caulk and gave it too man. And it was good.
Absolutely fascinating.
Thanks Herrick. BTW what country does that name originate?
Every Carpenter should carry a Construction Master Calculator , it's a must have tool.
We didn't have time to put marks on a board so we just folded the tape over to line up the number and fraction. You can add, subtract and divide on a tape measure.
Thank you! From a cabinet maker!
Ha ha. Thank you. I just commented on another of your vids that I was going to watch this one. Honestly, I had it in my head before you were finished (because I DO have the math gene, or whatever - OK, I'm old and I was taught to do this and was already on common denominators before the words left you mouth), but it is still a beautiful tip and a gem for when the CD is hard to find.
Thanks for the simple way to ad fractions
Thank you and thank Bob!
Is it that hard to convert 3/8 to 6/16 and add six and seven. What if you are measuring something say four foot something and three foot something. Then your arms are not long enough. If you are not tied down to feet and inches try the metric system. I think it is more accurate than having to go eleven and three eights plus. Most times a sixteenth is good enough unless you are making jewelry boxes or something. I like to measure right off of what I have and the piece I need if you get me. Takes a sharp pencil.
Nice.
I had the answer in my head within a few seconds.
I'm old, so I learned fractions of inches in my younger days.
These days everything is metric where I am, so that's what I use now.
I like maths tricks.
I'm going to show this one to my son.
I think you should teach your son how to do proper maths instead; especially given that inch fractions are so simple as they're based on multiples of 2...
New subscriber!!! I loved the subtraction video also!! Thumbs up!!!🔥🔥🔥🔥
Learned something new...thanks!👍🏼🍻✌🏽
I'm one who was born with the math gene. I did both of them in my head in less time than it would take to pick up the piece of what ever to use the tape measure on, much less the time it takes to do the trick.
Slick trick. Thank you.
😮, thank you thank you thank you, and thank you Bob!🙌🏻
Thank you Bobby!!!
Thanks for sharing buddy, this is fantastic.
I like this guy. From a better time. Thx
Love it! So simple! Thanks
Great trick, I've used it before. From what I hear a slide rule works on the same principle but for multiplication.
Any good tricks to share for math with a framing square? I just found an entire (old) book about that subject and was blown away.
There are some great shortcuts using a framing square. Figuring number of risers for a stair and figuring the riser height for each riser. Great stuff like that
The Steel Square?
@@rickcimino5483 The book I have is The Steel Square and Its Uses Volume II by Fred Hodgson
Just a tip: take a look at your framing square and pay close attention to the markings on both sides. One side is most likely normal measurements while the other is split up into tenths for some diabolical reason. Don't get them mixed up or you'll screw up whatever you're working on. Especially annoying when trying to do something like cut stair stringers.
@@bloodleader5 It's like the worst from two worlds. Metric system of dividing by ten, but used on inches. What could possibly go wrong? lol
What do you do for larger numbers ? get a longer stick? ( say over 100 inches for example )
If you're working with 108-3/8" and 12-5/16" you could just subtract the 100 (leaving 8-3/8"), use the technique, and then add the 100" back on when you're done.
I do something similar. I measure and make a mark at the first number. Then I put the 10” mark on the tape measure on that first pencil mark and then measure the second distance and make another pencil mark. Then hook the tape and pull to the second mark for the total.
Thank you Bob!
I am about five years too young for slide rules.
Genius. Thanks, I have been ashamed for years because of that. Now I am a free man!
Cool. Easy Peesy... Thank You!!
Really like this! Outstanding!😊
17 13/16” nuff said. Cuz I’m an American!
DUDE ! that's Awesome...….Thank You
BRILLIANT!
It just scares me to think that we have to always have a trick or hack in order to learn to do simple math in your head. I'm in my 40s and I just don't get that people can't do simple things anymore, but I guess it's something to get used to. I would use this is a second check but it is a great thing to teach when one can't use their head
Clever!! Another useful tool for the tool-box! Thank you!
That is wonderful. Thx.