Why I like the Remington 870 DM
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- Опубліковано 26 сер 2024
- Remington breathed new life into their classic 870 12ga shotgun when they introduced the 870 DM with a detachable magazine. It's not perfect, and it has some strong competition, but this mag-fed shotgun is really good, and worth a look.
*Safety Notice: I am a trained, and certified Range Safety Officer, and am following established Range Safety rules in this video. For infotainment purposes only.
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Is there any accessories for this shotgun?
I was a police armorer for over a decade. I can personally state that I have seen first hand how the buckshot shells would swell up in the tube magazine to the point that the shells would not chamber when they were needed. The ammo needed frequent rotation to ensure proper functioning. If all brass buckshot military loads were still available, then they might be the thing. I see this type of shotgun as the answer for those who want to keep a loaded shotgun at home for long periods of time without having to change the ammo every six months or so. Our department used Winchester and at times Federal ammo, with the same problems. When I was an armorer, we never used Remington or other brands because it cost us more and we were on a tight budget. Great video. I have felt that the Mossberg, while a great gun, had too big of a magazines for ease in use. You can't beat a tube magazine shotgun for maneuverability, and if you are going to use a detachable mag shotgun, don't get one with a mag that sticks out forever, or weighs too much. My two cents worth. Have a great day.
Great input. Thanks very much!
I'll be waiting for the drum mags.
the top dog of home defense weapons lmao
I love the wood one. Looks like a grandpas garage special. Lol
Love my 870 dm. Very smooth . recoil is great with super cell .
WOULD HAVE STUCK WITH A TUBE MAG HAD I REALIZED THE MAGS WOULD BECOME UNOBTAINABLE!
Biggest mistake on my part 🙃
Couldn’t agree more
Solid points
4:00 that *PEW* made me smile
Shot shells in detachable magazines will traditionally deform quicker and much more versus a tube magazine.
[citation needed]
I haven't shot either, but in handling them in stores, I would agree that the Remington seems to be the better mag system.
The Lemington? have their QA improved?
I had no idea about the bulging issue. I have the same ammo in my HD shotgun for probably 5 years.
It doesnt take Glock mag:(
so sad... did you ever find an after market conversion kit???
For pump I'll stick with tube magazine.
@Mat 11 Ha! I guess you bought one....
This is coming from a saiga 12 owner, shotgun shells deform in a vertical magazine like the DM, or a saiga 12 mag. The shells push on each other flattening them.
On a Saiga, sure. On a 870 DM just leave the slide back.
About to start my 10-day on one. I can't wait to get more range time with one but I must say with the mag well so deep and tight I actually wish they'd worked out a nose in, rock back arrangement. This seems more secure and rigid but I forsee a lot of fumbling.
Your opinion is supreme! Very needed video for those interested in the platform thanks.
I don't like magazine fed shotguns but if you do more power to you good for you man
That looks like San Luis valley, let me revive a dead comments section, ATI folding recoiless and telescopic stock was added to mine, new slide, fore grip, laser/strobe/flight, I will never need a shotgun again, I'm just glad I got 10 x 6rd mags extra, seel you one, $500 for a 10 round mag, and that's the going cost
Some good points! I like my 870DM just another solid 870!
Great review... I just picked up one of these for home defense. Could someone recommend a light that will work on this model... Thanks
I ordered the light combo from hi point, for the 9mm carbine, it mounted right to my Magpul slide
I've noticed the price on these go down in recent weeks in a bunch of sites, and there's a $50 rebate being offered by Remington as of now (9/27/2019). But I'll still pass. Why? Those proprietary Remington 6rd magazines are currently about $40 a piece, and you can't find them in stock on most places. PLUS, there are already other Chinese 870 clone mag-fed shotguns that take Saiga mags and drums, and Turkish mag-fed shotguns that take MKA-1919 mags and drums - priced lower than all but the LOWEST END of the 870 DM models.
Price is at $500 USD per 10round mag, 350$ for a 3
The mag makes it a BIT more clumsy to maneuver in tight spaces, and to store "in the ready".
I prefer the tube magazine. I can top it off if needed without removing anything. It’s good that Remington is TryN to think outside the box just too bad it’s not an original thought.
I think that tube mags may be better in close quarters. Detachable Mags are great for round changes, but I think 5-6rds sizes would be best over larger mags due to less drag.
They need an autoloader version. Nice review.
Mag fed shotguns deform shells as well. I had a Siaga that I left multiple mags loaded and they did deform and some cause malfunctions. not something I have experienced with any tube fed shotgun and ive left one loaded for years.
Pretty nice for Tactical reloading.
Heard of issues with newer built 870?
My house has one of there for home defense and we have a situation like every other day because I live in st.louis city and any time I need to rack a round it jams before I can get the pump to move a quarter inch and I have scoured the internet for anyone who has successfully fixed this issue and I have cleaned it and ran quite a bit of ammunition though it and I’m not light on the pump either I’m pretty gun savvy but I’m at the point we’re I have to keep it completely unload and it’s pretty hard to do that while my house is being shot at
Thanks for the review!
I just got mine for 230
Same here 👍
In France this gun cost 1500 US dollars :(
Downside is you cant top off the tube.
I have owned both, I prefer the dm.
SG rounds can deform in long term storage causing FF and another possible point of failure in the system. I’ll stick with the tube magazine.
Ghost Dog If you leave rounds loaded in a tube magazine long enough, they will deform as well. I have seen it as a police armorer. The detachable magazine might not deform the rounds as fast, I wouldn't know from first hand experience. The only magazine fed shotgun I have owned is a Marlin 512, and that holds just won in the magazine, with relatively little spring pressure. It has not been left loaded for long. Have a great day.
@@johndilday1846 how long did it take for plastic shells to deform in a mag tube? How often did you guys rotated shells?
@@nelsonr1467 It varied. Some shells would start to compress within a short period of time, others not so much. To be on the safe side, we rotated out the ammunition every six months and that generally took care of the problem. I remember that some shells went bad in as little as 4 to 5 months. We had officers make it a practice to check the loads in the guns while they were inspecting their squad cars and replace any shells that were starting to compress. I can’t remember if one brand was worse than others, but do recall that our department favored Winchester/Western high brass 00 Buck. Those loads worked very well on dispatching injured deer from vehicle collisions quickly and humanely. As I recall, any loads that were aging were simply relegated to range/training use. Hope this helps.
I can't find any mags for this gun
I like the Hardwood version! Are they still available to purchase ??
What about the extra cost of the magazine?
$47 for 6 rounders.
Any higher capacity magazines for this yet?
I wonder if the mag will fit in a 308 mag pouch
I love the gun, but magazines are impossible to find.
Seems like there is no real big reason to grab one of these over a standard 6-shot pump version. That's just me though...
Faster reloads id say.
Does the forend lock in the open position on empty mag?
When it first came out, and was priced at around $400-$600 (based on features and accessories), I passed on it. It only comes with ONE proprietary 6rd magazine. Literally NO other magazines on the market are compatible. I bought both a Turkish made Mag-fed pump, and the Chinese made 870 clone, the Civet-12, because both came with 3 10-rd after-market magazines - and both cost around $250.00. Well, to all our surprise, Remington has cut the prices on these, and you can get one now for $239.99 or LESS, and Remington is offering a $50 rebate right now. Even with the proprietary magazines, I am now inclined to pick one up.
Hows the chinese clone does it run good?
Ris vrpa40
Ria
249 bucks. My 13year old can cycle 6 rounds in less than 1.5 seconds.
How do you like that Streamy shotty torch?
talking about a remington tactical shotgun. Shows a promo page for smith and wesson....
In my opinion magazines only belong in semi-auto shotguns such as the saiga. For hunting I’d never want a magazine. It’d never want a magazine it would only hinder me when I’m in a blind etc.
Good video I personally disagree for myself, I'm not saying one is better than the other for everyone..to each their own.
The way I see it for myself... Yes it's easy reloads but it also means carrying around these big bulky mags and having to have the mag hanging off the bottom which is kind of hindrance especially if you're used to the sleek profile of a traditional tube fed. Also regardless your platform you should train with it so the way I see it work on your dexterity and get quick at loading shells heck with some practice you can load two at a time or even double that and pretty quickly, per hand. Also unless you're going to have a short barrel you're not really any further ahead in terms of round count if you compare to a traditional tube fed especially if it has an extended tube and with no extra bulk hanging off the gun.
Another thing to consider is what tlbs talked about which was round deformation especially under storage
All in all cool concept I'm all for new designs and testing them out and finding what's best for you, just not my personal choice I'll grab for a short barreled tube fed or something along the lines of a 590a1 if I'm looking for more capacity
Good video thanks for your take and all the work you put into your channel
Can it be tube loaded as well?
No. The detachable mag takes the place of the tube mag.
Are you using Frank Zappa's 'Willie the Pimp' under a cover as your theme music?
I can not imagine Illinois allowing this. I like it but will not get one as long as I live here.
Tom Olofsson Sounds like it’s time to move.
David Gaines Yeah, that is the plan.
Tom Olofsson I moved from Jacksonville, IL down to Georgia. Best thing I ever did. My wife’s parents retired here a couple of years ago. We don’t miss IL politics at all!
David Gaines Jacksonville would be a great place to live... if it were in any other State or at least further from Springfield.
Tom Olofsson Yep. The rural areas in Illinois are amazing as stand-alone places to live but are ruined by Chicago politics.
Should have made it a semiautomatic
Love the concept but seems the cost of mags are too high.
After market are more reasonable.
Because you hate efficiency and reliability. Odd.
DO NOT BUY!!!
Try finding 6 round magazines first. Yeah there arent any and seems like Remington isnt even making them.
This issue was going on long before covid19BS so thats not the problem.
umm where is the sound at from the gun? my 12 gauge goes booooom booooom. his goes "click". very interesting. maybe my speakers are messed up?
The camera mic tends to compress the boom, makes the shots sound much quieter than they are.
@@TheLateBoyScout ahh okay that makes sense. Thanks for the info!
Give a loaded 6 rounder to a small person with small hands and tell em to reload...
For a second, thought he was shooting hogs
Free floated barrel, carbon fiber mag tube, titainium transfer bars, carbon poly forend and stock, light maneuverable and should be affordable... nobody will do it.
The carbonfiber parts would cost more then the shotgun. Also it would kick like an angry bull.
Remington didn’t think this gun out well! They just stuck a Mag well on an 870 and plugged the mag tube. 🤨 I don’t like the Mossberg version either but if you are going to have a mag for a shot gun atleast go 10 or 20 and Mossberg did!
If it ain't Broke Don't Fix It Remington! The 870DM-Prue Waste of Time trying to keep up with the Jones's or Mossberg.
The saying if it ain't broken is kinda dumb here.
Pump shotguns are not perfect. They do have a down side. One if which is reloading speed. And the mag version fixes that.
If it ain't broken, doesn't mean it can't be improved.
@@pepelapiu2004 I would expect that from someone who never toted one in harms way.
@@parker701chief9 Personal attacks and attempts to take jabs at my credencial are not a good way to discuss this issue.
You essentially wrote that if it ain't broken, why fix it.
And I replied than maybe they weren't trying to fix it, but just improve on a good concept.
What's my personal experience and credential got to do with any of this?
The idea that we should leave it alone if it's not broken is plain stupid. Imagine if all the auto makers had felt that way about cars. We'd still be driving a Ford Model T while you'd be going on about how it ain't broken.
Its a Fad, there is no reason to change over to a mag fed shotgun. it adds complexity to an almost perfected design, the tube fed shotgun. This is something for three gun not hunters and home defense.
Lol speak for you'reself bro anyone can use this for hunting and especially home defense.
Alot of people wont even touch a shot gun. Overly powerful and only carrys a few shots. Short small women they cant reliably pump a shotgun under duress. Unless theyve practiced alot. Ive read of cops ejecting live shells while in gun fights due to pumping so fast. Anyway box mag fed only real problem is reliablity and if thats been fixed its all and all better.
i have reviewed the Kalashnikov USA™ KS-12T, has 10,20, 30, drum the breakdown was very detailed and informative, gas setting H for high brass, low for field loads, and 3 " mag ,
prefered the Kalashnikov USA™ KS-12T. over this one, ive owned remington,and mossberg both, but for as mags go definitely the Kalashnikov USA™ KS-12T. of course its a little higher in price, but well worth it.