3.0 TFSI - What’s the Price for Timing Chain Replacement?
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- Опубліковано 23 лип 2021
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Short video of the timing chain replacement for 3.0TFSI engine.
Price for this kind of service is £2650
All parts that are replaced are showed in this video.
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I did the chain replacement myself. I hired a garage box for 1 month. pulled out the engine.
If i was living closer, you guys would be the first 1 to send my car to. Awesome service done
You guys are a credit to the mechanic profession. 👍👍👍
I whish we had someone like you in my country! Only OEM here. They charge an absolute ton of money for terrible service. What you charge for this monumental task is not bad at all! And the knowledge is priceless.. Thank you for what you are doing. I hope you realize how valuable your service are to the owners of these vehicles..
Where is that bro
I can come over
@@nwaezemagdalene4967 hey bro where are u located..are u a audi mechanic?
Im audi mechanic im in Dominican Republic
I enjoyed watching the engine rebuild, you really get the car back that's practically as new because the engine is the heart of the car. Great grades for work, especially since you pay attention to the details. Hello from Bosnia.
They are very good at their jobs.
Really impressed with the work you guys do, so methodical and comprehensive.
Fantastic I know where I will come if this type of job is needed.
AJ
wish you could trust all mechanics to do it like they do.
Back when I worked at an Audi dealership, we had a car in where we diagnosed a worn chain (2.4 FSI).
Turned out the (former) owner had sent it over the border to get it fixed a year prior, because the Audi shop there did it cheaper.
This shop changed the guides and tensioners, but left the original worn chain in.
That, and not a single gasket replaced. Just RTV all over the place.
No wonder they were cheaper.
Great video! Awesome work. Man that is one complex job. Almost makes you wish for rubber timing belts again.
Good job Thank you for sharing your time and your tips. A french fan
No problem, thank you! :)
Thank you so much for posting these timing chain videos - so many forums and knowledge bases miss this and claim the engines are reliable except for PCV / Waterpump / Thermostat. Having to drop the engine just like the B6/7 is such a turn off from these cars. Shame they’ve got to be this way since I love mine as I’m sure most of the owners do. Wouldn’t have bought if I’d known.
Never another Audi for me
Which why I got rid of my money pit Audi a4 2.0tfsi mk7 and now have a simple reliable Lexus 450h GS.
Audis are nice money makers for mecanic’s though lol
@@riccccccardo the first mistake u made was even getting a audi with a 2.0t engine. Those things were horrible from 2008 to almost modern day, now they're pretty decent engines
@@Leo-qb8ml my two a4 cars was 05 and 07 both engines destroyed cost me 20k I lost total never again Audi. Love my Lexus now.
Great video! I'm confused about the tightening the camshaft sprocket bolts. Everywhere it is noted, that you need to use a counter-force tool when tightening the bolts to avoid the breakage of camshafts, since camshaft locking brackets (and bolts) are not designed to withstand 80nm +90 degrees torque, but I didn't see you do it on that video.
Great informative detailed content about this engine platform!!👌 Much thanks from us B8/8.5 s4 owners in Canada.
These guys are awesome technicians
What a great video mate,I know where to go when I need my chains changed,,what a great job
Thanks so much for this vid. I’ll definitely be coming to you guys for this job when the time is right. Keep up the good work!
Great videos. Thanks from Canada!
Great work and brilliant video
Love your work guys. Great videos.
Okay so I got to admit your videos are assuring that all hope is not lost with Audi A6 CHVA engines
CHVA are good ! Done one last month , video coming out soon what’s a high mlg engine like :)
First time watching your video and you definitely have a new sub from me! Thanks for this knowledge and content!
How I wished I had a workshop with your skills around where I live
Lovely work great info 👍
Hello from the US - Great channel, just subscribed 👍 would love to see a W motor teardown 😎
Very impressive operation you have here. Does this timing chain set-up affect all Audi/VW V6's of is there a date after which all the issues were resolved. I must admit to being very wary of buying into this hassle and expense. Thank you.
wow I mean that is not as bad as I expect for this service holy shit. thanks!
As a retired Audi tech from a Audi dealership I wondered why they would engineer a engine with valve train chains at rear of engine. A possible maintenance issue. Insane. Definitely a money pit. Way over engineered an the consumer gets it up the butt in the end. I'll stick with my Acura 3.5 just basic maintenance an a T-belt every 100k or so.
Had an 2013 Acura RDX 3.5 (wrecked) and I thought it was expensive and a bear compared to my '04 Toyota Solara with 250K and nothing more than oil changes and struts. Well I had to have special tools just to do an oil change and take 20 screws off on my 2015 Q5. Definitely a money pit. Unfortunately, ppl must have lots of it or sell them prior before they fall endure these massive expenses. Cars with 40-60K Miles on them needing $5K work is insane and you still making payments. I bought over 100K miles and now I'm seeing the issues. Lucky me!
Same. I'm still riding my 95 legend with a 3.5 swap
Great video. Thank you!!
Can we get a close up and full measurement of the new chains/guides vs the old ones? It was hard to tell if they were even worn out/stretched..
Love the videos and love this engine. Had an 2013 Audi s4 in dubai stage 2 revo tuned with supercharger pulley and stronic transmission, bought it 18months old with just 49k km, loved that car and put 100k on it in 3yrs. So rapid and smooth absolute joy to own, only broke down once near to my apartment underground car park, managed to limp it inside (was overheating) thermostat stuck shut a common issue apparently . Replaced that in the car park at night which was 95% humidity and 42oC almost got heat stroke lol.
Using super unleaded and oil change every 10k km with mobil 1 0w/40 and flushed every time that engine was sweet as a nut when I sold it to the guy who bought my 2011 stage 2+ APR tuned Golf R which he px the golf r back to me for the Audi s4.
These engines are designed for power and I own an A7 first gen absolutely love the car. Stage 2 dual pulley and an APR heat exchanger and I had a RS7 radiator running on e85 it was an ultimate sleeper dude 0-120 i take off on a hellcat SRT an absolute sleeper on a highway!!
Cool. How much power did it make? Where did you tune it?
@@Inimbrium I never had it dyno tested but I think around 410bhp. Revo was new to this platform at that time and didn't have the high number we see nowadays. Although I now have another s4 b8 which is stage 1 034Motorsport tuned and to be honest it feels faster! I will be going stage 2+ soon with this one. Which should be 450 to 475 bhp.
@@LAW-fv6ys cool. Thanks for replying. I have a b8.5 convertible S5 and was wondering if it's worth tuning. Being a convertible it's rather heavy and probably would benefit. Any opinions on which tuning co. Is better? There are so many these days.
@@Inimbrium I would just put a stage 1 tune on it and leave it at that. It's so much faster than standard already after. I really like 034 motorsports but w they are alittle expensive. I paid for stage 2+ with dsg tune for £950
They take pride in there cars older car but well care for last a life time if done Correct great and awesome work 👍👍👍
That seems like a really great price for the amount and quality of work being done. I wish your garage was in the U.S.
Nice body work and everything 👌
Great Video guide ! In near future i will try to attempt that service myself , due to noisy cold start from left Tensioner but not as bad as in your video . Good tip with pushing in flaps when putting them back , i made that mistake once and again had to take off SC , I wish i had seen that video earlier :) Also your price for that job is very competitive and some of my local garages quote me a bit more .
Thx for Video
how were you able to determine if it was bank 2 or 1 tensioner? I heard bank 2 driver side is usually the one to fail, but I'm unsure without replacing both, which I would do if they didn't make them so hard to get to in car.
One happy customer
Quick question- for the spots where the timing cover makes contact with cylinder heads, do you put the sealant between the head gasket layers as well or just to the top and bottom?
Nice job!!! Great and clear work. You're an audi3.0 TFS guru. What is the proper engine oil fot these engines? My VW Touareg use the same audi 3.0 v6 TFS engine.
Hey guys, great video. I did this and much more on my 4.2fsi which has the same chain setup. And my best hint is, that i ordered my chains from a German supplier called Febi Bilstein, which is known for cheaper parts. In this case tho they are reselling the genuine Audi parts ( chains and oil pump tensioner from IWIS, and chain guides from INA ) for way less money. I paid 280€ for the whole set of chains and tensioners ( plus 10€ for the small top guides from Audi as they are not included in the set ) and they actually have IWIS and INA markings on it. In total for all parts (incl. fluids, gaskets, etc.) and new engine mounts as they were done i paid 1200€ for the whole job including a rental engine lift as i dont have nice things. Engine runs fine for 3000km now
We only use genuine parts , easy to get , quick , we know what we getting .
"...I don't have nice things."😄😄😄
How is it these chains don't last the engine life.
Never had to change chains on my cars in the past ?
@@roysargood8750 depending on what cars you have. Here Audi uses simplex chains but some manufacturers have upgraded to stronger duplex chains like mercedes. The chains are worn in the inner bolts every time they turn around a gear as that's where the friction is. That wear is much worse if you do your oil changes too few. Normally the chains go too long after ~230.000km. With regular oil changes this extends up to 350.000 but can also happen with 180.000. I mean, some engines don't even live that long at all, and compared to changing the timing belt every 80.000 it's not that bad even considering the costs. Newest cars tho have the worst setup of them all, which is a wet driven timing belt, stay away from those.
Nice job, l will do my A7 C7 3.0d Tdi with you pretty soon
Great stuff 👍🏻
wow!!!!You are a Audi doctor !!! luv to see or videos mannn !!! i hope soon you will do an Audi SQ5 tdi ! Then maybe i can learn a few things hihihi
We had two booked in but they sold the car before they actually done the job
Great tutorial!!
What sealant do you recommend for the timing covers? Specially lower cover.
Im pretty sure it’s just the vag oem gasket maker
Hey, I took a broken down Panamera Hybrid which has the same engine and sucked in water and hydrolocked the engine. I've taken the spark plugs out and turned the engine but can't turn it 360° it's turns maybe half way and stops. I'm wondering if you've come across anything like this and how bad was the damage. Regards Robert
when you do it, it seems so easy ... I wish I have the knowledge the the guts to try :-)
If normal maintenance is performed with oil changes every 5000 miles (I'm in the US) when should I expect this service to be needed? I'm considering an Audi Q7 3.0. Thanks!
Is it possible that the tensioners leak? I get the rattle sometimes, most of the time after a long periode sitting
Does this process require regassing of the aircon system once the engine comes out? Ive had a mechanic tell me needs to be done
Great video guys! And I think that's a fair price for the amount of work needed to change the chains.
But it is a bit funny to me that every time I see something about this engine it's an S4. Seems like this has sold best. I still enjoy it more in my A6 due to it being an A6 😅
Keep that great work!
Nothing will last 4ever ! Also Audi recommend to change the cylinder head adjusters at 80.000ml . But no one done it ! Same like 4.2 S4 have common fault with the main chain bracket , these are yet not famous for chain problems becouse it’s just begun to show as a problem . Very soon who ever will go and buy one will ask the seller if the chains were done or not . Expensive service and one day it will need doing
What was the price please? I dont have time to watch the full video
@@MikeClear21 2650£
do the 3.0Ts jump time ? and how serious is the cold start rattle from the upper tensioners?
You very good mechanic. Audi have lot problem. We hav 2 S4, big money engine.
We sale ex CCCP gas turbine heli, jet Warbird MIG 23's, rebuild jet engines at our hangar. Always like watch you Audi engine repair.
Sorry bad English spell.
Greeting from Russia (Girood Airfield). ♥️
That video will cause lots of damage😂😂😂....I just see all these "do my chains replacement myself Don's"😂😂😂 Great vid as always👍
Usually followed by a 'I f****d up my car' video
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Couple of questions. What was the mileage on that engine to have the tstat and water pump already replaced? Secondly, for the alignment of cams, is it best to rotate the crank to get TDC and then lock the cams? I only plan on replacing the upper tensioner(s) in Bank 2 (no codes yet, but I have clicking) and if I do in car, do I have to lock the crank or can I just lock the cams? I read that crank lock bolt is very difficult to install if you don't pull the engine. Thanks!
A very fair price.
What year does this normally affect? I'm possibly looking at buying one in a few years
Awesome indept video! I finaly know what my garage did with my car a year ago :) Last year I had the timing chain replaced of my 2009 A4 TFSI (B8) and the total cost where just a shade above 1000 pounds (1280 euro) here in Holland (The Netherlands). I was pleasantly suprised since dealerships in Amsterdam en Den Haag quoted me alot more. The mechanic that serviced my car even showed me hands on the difference where the old chain could be folded in half easily en the new chain couldn't. Indicating that the old chain was totaly worn out hence giving a fault code about camshaft alignment or something like that. They even replaced a second chain powering the oilpump, or so they told me.
Hoi Floris,
Naar welke garage bent u geweest?
Hi Floris, where it was?
You mean timing belt right as there’s a difference?
Question, there is any milage that that job needs to be done like in a normal car id a belt, our its a case of wear of the parts?
Long gone are the days of slapping on the spare timing belt on the side of a road with basic hand tools. I had a Geo Metro, Suzuki Swift, that ate belts from having no third or reverse gears and I could throw a belt in in ten minutes. They'd last about a month but belts were cheap and it was a great commuter car in traffic.
Yeah, this type of "engineering" is ridiculous. I will never buy a timing chain car, $4,000 to replace the belt/chain? That's a totaled car in my book. Put that money into an investment somewhere else.
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This is a clear DIY 🤓
Great vid. How many miles were on this car roughly?
Nicely done! RTV on gaskets. NO!! I use a touch of Dow 111 Molycote on rubber gaskets; i.e., water pump gaskets, intake runner gaskets, or carefully on Fuel injection seals, etc. It is a great silicone grease that keeps the gasket in place and soft for years. Things just slide together more easily using it I feel. It is good up to 200C I think.
Anyhow, maybe you guys know about it. Thanks for sharing. About to pull a B7 3.2 engine to do this very job soon.
Do you prefer to drop the subframe/engine/trans out as one unit? Especially having a lift? Thanks boys.
Did you do yours yet? I'm doing my B8 S4 this year.
I have an S4 Avant, 62 plate, which 94k miles. When would you reccomend doing the cam chain replacement? Mine is quiet with no obvious noise, but I love the car, and want to keep it tip top.
You guys obviously do a thorough job.
Hi,
Head tensioners should be done every 80K , but if you don’t have rattle after start up it’s still good :)
Quanto custa para trocas as juntas dos cabeçotes desse motor ?
I'm guessing it might be a similar price for the Audi 3.0 tdi engine that also has 4 chains? Great video btw :)
I have the same noise as in this video. Didn't think it was timing chain related as it sounds cyclical like something is on a duty cycle. I would have thought the timing chain would be more constant. I was thinking it was the vacuum pump as the noise is loudest in the middle of the engine - not the back
Hi Ed,
Vacuum pump is attached on the passenger cylinder head from the front . What you might hear ticking in the middle are the vacuum solenoids :)
how applicable is this issue to the CZVA engine compared to the CRTE?
How do you clean the valves so well?! How would you recommend approaching re-sealing the camshaft girdle plate? Can it be done without removing the timing set, possibly just compressing the tensioner and pinning it? Silicone or the green anerobic sealant per Audi? Thanks mate, impressive work.
Walnut blasting , engine out job to do the plate gasket , think there is actual rubber one , don’t remember
Good informative video but you have to get better with sound management... we can’t hear you but the music is deafening.
thank you so mach
No problem
which cylinder head takes the longer chain left or right
gros boulot!!
£2650 inc VAT for anyone who missed it. Water pump is extra but you’s be mad not to replace it. That sounds reasonable consdering the cost of parts, in fact hard to believe it only costs that. For a 2011 car, is it actually worth it?
No Car is worth That much for repair , B6-B7 was in this stage 3/4 years back and now ? Almost no good spec left price over the roof …
Thank you now i know to avoid this moneypit like the plague.
hi, i have the same problem with my Cayenne ...and i think its the same motor ..isnt It ?
I know this is an old video but I’m having the same problem with my 2013 Audi A6 3.0T supercharged.. Bought the car new has 120 K miles always did mobile 1 fully synthetic oil changes every 5K miles. I have no idea why my tensioners failed. I know they fail when you use cheap oil and do 10K mile oil changes like the dealer recommends… did you happen to find out which tensioner,guide was bad and causing the car to make that noise because I don’t think all the tensioners, guides were bad.. great video and I wish there was a place like yours here in the state.. nobody works like you guys not even the dealer which would charge double or triple
Audi A3 1.6 TDI 2011 had timing belt done with oil filter change - 850 euro done in AUDI center in Latvia in 2021
How does one avoid these issues or does it happen around a certain mileage
Just wondering because I’m in the market for buying one
Thanks in advance
Great video! Question what's the part number for the two round seals on the timing cover and the oval seal above it
Hi,
Please send us email (website ) get back to you with part numbers . Ideal send pictures as well so we know which gaskets you mean
@@VAGTechnic Thank you Message Sent Alaska Audi s4 3.0
Is it possible to do this job by just dropping the transmission?
Hello, i have 3.0TDI 2009 A6 4F , how much for replace the chain ?
6:25 can someone provide me the part number for these gaskets? I couldn't find them in the diagram.
At how many kilometers should the timing chain be changed?
So that cost converts to $3,065 US Dollars. I have 2 shops here in Texas telling me $11,500 & $15,000! What the hell? Anyone have any Audi shops in the US that won't try & rip me off? Oh, I had another shop in Denver (used to live there) quote me $15,000. Help! Thanks for the video. Great work! Subscribed. 👍
we are VW/audi, Mercedes, BMW, Volvo, mechanic in Dublin TX, we charge around $4500.00, include Original parts and our labor...............is not so expensive like a 11000 -15000
They don't want to do it, or can't do it efficiently. They are overpricing b/c its a headache of a job. VAG drops engines like most dealers do oil changes. You can tell they know their stuff and are very efficient at it. Plus being in Germany, their parts are much more affordable. We get to pay good ole import taxes and dealer M/U at least double.
@@lokyblack3379 I’ll be reaching out to you tomorrow. I can’t find your shop on google, please respond.
@@lokyblack3379can you provide a number to your shop?
Wish you were in the US
The car that you worked on actually had no issues at all at 100k, I'm guessing it could have done another 100k?
What is the music type you use what cd or artist?
thank you, wonderful video. Will never buy VAG v6 :D
I have a 2010 q7 Audi 3.0 I did timing but hard start ??????
how long a job like this takes u guys? I assume it can be done in 6h? I mean a day
Great video! Would a 2015 Audi A8 3.0 engine have the same issue? I heard they improved something about these engines starting from a certain year. Thanks!
Good question, I have a ‘16 A8 with same engine
Hi, can you remove the upper timing chains without removing the main timing cover?
no matter if you have to get engine out
For this price you can get a fully rebuilt 5.7 Hemi Engine in the US :) Audi is very expensive
I have both and I would take the 3.0t over the 5.7
on other engines the chains last much longer?
You guys should open up a garage in Canada, hard to find real knowledgeable mechanics here. Cheers
Not sure where you are but if you are in Toronto or nearby checkout Almost Racing
In another video someone says theres 20.5 pins between cam marks. According to your video its 19.5. Do i just set the marks in the center and go? I have the two drive chains on, just need to make sure the camshafts are timed correctly. Im using all new timing components. Thanks. Your videos are awesome. Keep them coming.
Hi ,
Thank for watching , actually it doesn’t matter , once you put the tools timing is correct. Exhaust side have 3 pins for the gear so that’s not moving at all , on the gear there’s a dot that have to be in between the cut on the cylinder head . Camshaft adjusters are two types . Always 4 holes from cam to adjuster for oil feed , you have to make sure these oil feed holes line up . That’s why the adjuster have a cut on the gear plate what need to line up with with the cut on the cylinder head . The other type of adjuster have groove alway around so no matter in what position it is oil pressure will get in . But still it have the same points for timing
Hi, love your context....can you tell me why so many engines have carbon builds up? I mean that The cars are often RS models, so is it petrol that is contaminted or...?
To answer your question, carbon buildup on the valves is due to the car being a direct injection engine. This means that gasoline isn't splashing on the valves and cleaning it, resulting in carbon buildup
Ok, thanks, but what should the owners have done to not get the vuild up caboni in the engines? Does every engine have the same system with the gasoline splasing? Willmy b,w 125i engine show tje same carbon build up, if I get it examined?
@@carstenrubner520 No, not every car has direct injection. Look your engine up online to see if it does.
The owner would have had a service called "walnut blasting" done to it to get rid of the carbon buildup on the valves. It's where the mechanic uses a sandblasting device at high pressure, but with pulverized walnut shells instead of sand.
I have an old A6 with this engine and I'm battling with the thoughts of spending this money or just running it into the ground....I've made the mistake in the past of becoming too attached cars and dumping dead money into them but this engine is so special I just don't know what would replace it...not turbo unit can touch it for response and you need a V8 to match it it for punch
which year a6?
What about the spot where head gasket meets timing cover? Maybe some silicone?
Clean up , touch of silicon from top and bottom
I have a 3.0t TFSI a7 and the timing chain rattles for a couple of seconds on startup but then goes away. Should I think of getting the timing chain done?
It's usually only the top tensioners. They don't require an engine out btw.
What was the mileage on that car? My 2010 B8 has just turned 70k and it has a little rattle on cold startup but does settle and stays away when warm. Will likely get it done within the next couple of years or earlier if the noise gets any worse. Silly design these earlier models have by not having the oil check NRV's like they do on the B8.5! I did also read that the upper tensioners are usually the main culprits and that they can be replaced without removing the engine? Any thoughts on that? Thanks in advance ;)
Hi,
If I remember correctly just over 100k , problem what might happen is broken too slider . We currently have one here waiting , will post video of it why and how it can fail
@@VAGTechnic Great, look forward to it! Thanks for the reply
@@VAGTechnic that vid would be so appreciated (I definitely sent one of the many vids 😅). FYI I ran some Liqui-Moly Engine Flush and it dialled the long rattle back to within the 1 sec TSB. So far so good.
@@VAGTechnic Miles or KM?
@@sinoperture they said the customer was from Scotland so it’ll be miles
Could the timing jump far enough to cause a valve/piston head strike? Had bad rattle and then knock in the top end. p0018, p0022 are the codes.
Hi,
Your timing is out , definitely something happened, don’t think the timing jumped , but you can find out easily by performing pressure test in each cylinder
@VAG Technic The car was dropped off to the shop today. That's the first thing he said he'd do in the morning. Keep the great content coming.