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I don't like the idea of the mid season trade and for once agree with Chris Scott's comment. You are also 100% correct it would be too much an advantage for Victorian teams due to the relocation required for interstate teams.
Chris Scott is the last person I would analyse when it comes to fair and proper list development considering he has basically thrived throughout his entire career by poaching players from other clubs to top up his existing list.
I think it’s laughable that these clubs think it’s unfair to trade for someone but have no qualms about playing finals and jumping to the front of the draft end getting the best young players.
Vic teams will be favoured and have more trades, but just the nature of it, teams outside will benefit more when players want to move outside or Vic just based on lack of trade partners. Just like the normal trade period. Fringe players looking for more chances are most likely the only players being traded midseason.
North have put a 5yr contract to Zurhaar so the Roo's have gotten on the front foot for that. It's a tricky situation though. I'd prefer to keep Zurhaar, yet if he's not prepared to go through the hard yards then by all means, leave and that be the end of it. There's a new sense of culture developing at North off the back of Larkey, Simpkin and Sheezel that they signed on not simply cause they love the club, but because they're prepared for the hardships that come from building a club from the ground up anew. So either players get onboard and perform or get out of the way. Considering the contract offer in front of Zurhaar already, it's hard to say that he would secure a band one compensation pick for leaving North, now the thing you gotta remember about that. North can trade that pick for an established player or multiple picks. Alot to unfold on this so it'll be interesting to see how things go
@@DennyBanfield-pl2uz I mean he should stay with the tigez but we will take dusty even tho he’s not the best will help us out a bit. Hope the suns can keep on the winners list with the 64 point win over Geelong
Fantastic discussion, would not trust anything from Morris or McClure. Nuts how many are also saying Reid is back to Victoria at the end of 3yrs contract. MSD should only be for people who missed put on the draft not changing clubs. Graham and Baker would be good gets for West Coast. Keep up the awesome work
Gee the first couple minutes of discussion makes me truly realise how lucky AFL players are compared to say NBA players who can get sent across the country possibly 3 times in a season without ticking off the trade themselves. Whereas players here have so much more power, not neccesarily a bad thing but interesting for sure. i.e. Richmond couldn't just trade Tom Lynch to the highest bidder to get draft capital they have consult with him too.
I was thinking that…but I’m still unsure he would get a game and whether North would bother just for the VFL team. Not the worst idea though, North would really need to see the value in it tho
There is rumour about Baker leaving for Perth. But it could be just to get a bigger contract. There is absolutely nothing reliable about what possible club he is interested in. So if you hear he is leaving, or going to Eagles or Dockers... its just all made up. Ignore it. He may leave Richmond but is more likely to stay.
Brayshaw isn't going to go to Victoria. Saints are wasting their time. The only possibility would be if his partner wants to be closer to her parents if its required for health reasons or for looking after baby reasons (should one come along). Brayshaw will be set up for a good income and career in Perth after retirement. If he played all career in Perth and then after retiring ends up going to Melbourne to live, then all his income potential post retirement will be diluted. So he is at a stage now that he needs to consider going to a successful Melbourne club that will lead to career options post footy. That's if he wants to leave Perth one day.
Here's another trade "interest" for you mate, and it involves a 1st year kid from Tongala at an interstate club, and 2 definite suitors from his home state. This is not a troll either, bank it. Naturally, the kid's current club ultimately decide whether they trade him this year or roll the dice.
I’m conflicted about the mid season draft. I do think it will benefit VIC clubs more, but I love the idea of something happening mid season that could completely change the standings of the league. That said, if my team was dominant or building in the front half of season I wouldn’t like it. Instead my team is 13th on the ladder and popping ACLs every second week, so I might be a little biased, and thinking short term
I don't really see how this would be unfair to non Victotian sides unless you already believe that trading players at all is unfair. You still have to come up with a contract to satisfy the player and a trade to satisfy the other club. Why is it any different because it happens in June instead of October? I don't like the idea anyway. It is just another step conditioning us to be ready for player loans and three month contracts. I am not sure why the AFL is pushing for this. The only thing they gain is more time in the news cycle, especially if a high profile player moves mid season.
Because if the trade happens at the end of the year the players have time to get everything sorted before they need to start pre-season with their new club. Dunno if you've ever moved interstate but it's _not_ a fast process, could be weeks at least before the new player would be ready to go, which defeats the purpose of trading in a player to fill a gap. There's an insane amount of things to think about. For another Melbourne team they could be at training the next day.
@@PaladinCasdin It is not hard to move, people do it all of the time. It would be even easier when you have just signed a $1million contract and have all of the resources of a football club available. If the biggest concern is that the guy might be a bit busy and miss a few training sessions then I hardly see that as a major factor against non Victorian sides.
I don’t think that the Suns will pay much for Rioli. Maybe he comes or Prestia but their priority is to convert their 2 first round picks and end of first round pick from North Melbourne to future picks as they have potentially 3 or 4 good academy kids coming through. The existing rules state that they won’t have automatic access to all if they make the finals unlike last year.
To me equalisation equals fixing all teams start 0-0 giving the bottoms extra picks for playing bad football is just wrong and with Tasmania coming in 2028 they will get all the best young players to give their team a chance of being competitive I think that Footy was the best in the seventy and eighties when teams scored goals which is what fans come to see
Personally I'm not a fan if the mid season trade period. I think its great and works well in American sports, but we are no where near the size and scope of organisations like the NBA. Our sport is so unique and trying to add these little things in for virtual no benifits doesnt make sense to me. Big discussion I know, but i dont feel its has its place right now in thr AFL.
I’d say one of the major things Carlton are missing is a genuine small forward so was Geelong and then they went and got Stangle then they went all the way I reckon if the blues get Hayward, they will win the flag in the next few year and that’s coming from someone who hates Carlton!
Thing about mid-season trade Period, it basically becomes a second trade Period (obviously) so to counter your comment on it being an advantage to Vic teams and a disadvantage to every other teams, the groundwork behind the scenes between mangers and teams will frankly handle the conversations with players behind the scenes. If players aren't playing in the AFL side, then they're more likely to be considering a move. For that to happen players and clubs managers will have to facilitate the potential trade options. To avoid undermining the season's efforts though there would have to be an extremely more discreet level of communication than what we currently have as the potential problems of undermining another clubs depth/list is real. Speculation is to be expected but when it comes to clubs wishing to enhance their lists on a needs basis, then managers will do all the groundwork behind the scenes and it will by and large have to boil down to players making the first decision so that his or her family is prepared fir that potential move. Easier said then done, but something to eventually be improved upon with managers constantly asking questions about players in and outside their clubs and specific players. Now tbh. I don't like the idea of a mid-season trade Period. Why? Because it sows discord, uncertainty and disloyalty amoungst clubs and I believe that while not a management issue that can in fact be worked around, it does leave an unsavoury stain on clubs and the culture they're trying to maintain or instill as players are the ones who fly the colours on the field.
There would have to be a lot of restrictions on the mid season trade which kinda contradicts the idea I reckon MSD should stay for good and maybe trade picks mid year or bring in pick purchasing for the end of the year.
I do not believe any team who is a chance to play finals is going to tank just to get a free agent. A finals appearance is too big of an opportunity to give away so lightly.
I think looking at the mid season trade period makes a lot of sense, it would help rebuilding teams get assets and build better teams for the future. In terms of the worries from interstate teams feeling disadvantaged in trading for players having a 20% trade kicker for a player being moved that could be paid outside of the cap to compensate and incentivise player to move could be the way to go .
The Danger to Adelaide rumour was just a ploy to get him more money from Geelong. There's no chance he'd want to leave the Cats and Adelaide would have no interest in an old player considering their rebuild.
I hate the idea of mid year trades. The media will live it because it will generate more columns, but for the fans it’s garbage The people pushing it have watch Money Ball too many times
I personally am not a huge fan of a midseason trade period but wouldn't be completely against it. I do believe if it did get put in place, not that many trades would happen. Like as a North fan, getting in one player now wouldn't be super helpful for what we would need to give up. We would need to wait to the end of the year to really assess what we have on the list. I would guess only teams that are about 9th, looking to add like a key forward or back would try to make a trade, fill a whole that would make them push for finals. But they probably knew they needed that player during the normal trade period so the midseason trade period would just be another opportunity to complete trades they couldn't get done in the normal period.
I think it’s more suited to clubs right in the premiership hunt, so if Max Gawn does a knee, they are trying to do a mid season trade for the Suns Ned Moyle.
I've heard from a reliable source that Harley Reid is doing a "Jason Horne-Francis" and is demanding a trade to the Adelaide Crows and that West Coast will end up with Matt Crouch, Rory Laird and a future 4th round pick for him in exchange.
I like the idea of midseason trades but it just depends how it works and what restrictions. I think it would be good for say a player like tom Campbell who never gets a game at St Kilda, yet teams like Adelaide, Collingwood and North are looking for a second ruck, they will probably get one in the mid season draft, but If there was a midseason trades it could help Campbell get a chance to play as well as the team getting the ruck they want. But I also think it is on the teams to make sure their list is built well at the end of the year
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I don't like the idea of the mid season trade and for once agree with Chris Scott's comment.
You are also 100% correct it would be too much an advantage for Victorian teams due to the relocation required for interstate teams.
Rubbish. A player will go where he drafted to, or he doesn’t play AFL. End of story …
Chris Scott is the last person I would analyse when it comes to fair and proper list development considering he has basically thrived throughout his entire career by poaching players from other clubs to top up his existing list.
Geelong are just hanging in there, and struggled to beat a depleted Richmond at home last night. They will fall off a cliff in the next 18 months …
I think it’s laughable that these clubs think it’s unfair to trade for someone but have no qualms about playing finals and jumping to the front of the draft end getting the best young players.
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Vic teams will be favoured and have more trades, but just the nature of it, teams outside will benefit more when players want to move outside or Vic just based on lack of trade partners. Just like the normal trade period. Fringe players looking for more chances are most likely the only players being traded midseason.
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North have put a 5yr contract to Zurhaar so the Roo's have gotten on the front foot for that. It's a tricky situation though.
I'd prefer to keep Zurhaar, yet if he's not prepared to go through the hard yards then by all means, leave and that be the end of it.
There's a new sense of culture developing at North off the back of Larkey, Simpkin and Sheezel that they signed on not simply cause they love the club, but because they're prepared for the hardships that come from building a club from the ground up anew. So either players get onboard and perform or get out of the way.
Considering the contract offer in front of Zurhaar already, it's hard to say that he would secure a band one compensation pick for leaving North, now the thing you gotta remember about that. North can trade that pick for an established player or multiple picks.
Alot to unfold on this so it'll be interesting to see how things go
Surely dusty and Prestia join the suns
Hell nah bro, we want Prestia to stay 😭
@@DennyBanfield-pl2uz I mean he should stay with the tigez but we will take dusty even tho he’s not the best will help us out a bit. Hope the suns can keep on the winners list with the 64 point win over Geelong
They can have em and I’m a tiger
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Fantastic discussion, would not trust anything from Morris or McClure. Nuts how many are also saying Reid is back to Victoria at the end of 3yrs contract.
MSD should only be for people who missed put on the draft not changing clubs.
Graham and Baker would be good gets for West Coast.
Keep up the awesome work
Richmond still have about 6 picks in the top 50 next year I think. Though the draft picks probably will slide. So they will be able to rebuild.
Gee the first couple minutes of discussion makes me truly realise how lucky AFL players are compared to say NBA players who can get sent across the country possibly 3 times in a season without ticking off the trade themselves. Whereas players here have so much more power, not neccesarily a bad thing but interesting for sure. i.e. Richmond couldn't just trade Tom Lynch to the highest bidder to get draft capital they have consult with him too.
There not trades there’s a circus in town
I wonder if Gaff would be a shout for North. Depth player with experience that would play out most of the year in the VFL and help the younger guys
I was thinking that…but I’m still unsure he would get a game and whether North would bother just for the VFL team. Not the worst idea though, North would really need to see the value in it tho
Gaff had his chance. North wouldn’t want him now
There is rumour about Baker leaving for Perth. But it could be just to get a bigger contract. There is absolutely nothing reliable about what possible club he is interested in. So if you hear he is leaving, or going to Eagles or Dockers... its just all made up. Ignore it. He may leave Richmond but is more likely to stay.
Brayshaw isn't going to go to Victoria. Saints are wasting their time. The only possibility would be if his partner wants to be closer to her parents if its required for health reasons or for looking after baby reasons (should one come along). Brayshaw will be set up for a good income and career in Perth after retirement. If he played all career in Perth and then after retiring ends up going to Melbourne to live, then all his income potential post retirement will be diluted. So he is at a stage now that he needs to consider going to a successful Melbourne club that will lead to career options post footy. That's if he wants to leave Perth one day.
Here's another trade "interest" for you mate, and it involves a 1st year kid from Tongala at an interstate club, and 2 definite suitors from his home state. This is not a troll either, bank it. Naturally, the kid's current club ultimately decide whether they trade him this year or roll the dice.
I’m conflicted about the mid season draft. I do think it will benefit VIC clubs more, but I love the idea of something happening mid season that could completely change the standings of the league. That said, if my team was dominant or building in the front half of season I wouldn’t like it. Instead my team is 13th on the ladder and popping ACLs every second week, so I might be a little biased, and thinking short term
I don't really see how this would be unfair to non Victotian sides unless you already believe that trading players at all is unfair. You still have to come up with a contract to satisfy the player and a trade to satisfy the other club. Why is it any different because it happens in June instead of October?
I don't like the idea anyway. It is just another step conditioning us to be ready for player loans and three month contracts.
I am not sure why the AFL is pushing for this. The only thing they gain is more time in the news cycle, especially if a high profile player moves mid season.
Because if the trade happens at the end of the year the players have time to get everything sorted before they need to start pre-season with their new club. Dunno if you've ever moved interstate but it's _not_ a fast process, could be weeks at least before the new player would be ready to go, which defeats the purpose of trading in a player to fill a gap. There's an insane amount of things to think about. For another Melbourne team they could be at training the next day.
@@PaladinCasdin It is not hard to move, people do it all of the time. It would be even easier when you have just signed a $1million contract and have all of the resources of a football club available.
If the biggest concern is that the guy might be a bit busy and miss a few training sessions then I hardly see that as a major factor against non Victorian sides.
I don’t think that the Suns will pay much for Rioli. Maybe he comes or Prestia but their priority is to convert their 2 first round picks and end of first round pick from North Melbourne to future picks as they have potentially 3 or 4 good academy kids coming through. The existing rules state that they won’t have automatic access to all if they make the finals unlike last year.
To me equalisation equals fixing all teams start 0-0 giving the bottoms extra picks for playing bad football is just wrong and with Tasmania coming in 2028 they will get all the best young players to give their team a chance of being competitive I think that Footy was the best in the seventy and eighties when teams scored goals which is what fans come to see
Personally I'm not a fan if the mid season trade period.
I think its great and works well in American sports, but we are no where near the size and scope of organisations like the NBA.
Our sport is so unique and trying to add these little things in for virtual no benifits doesnt make sense to me.
Big discussion I know, but i dont feel its has its place right now in thr AFL.
I’d say one of the major things Carlton are missing is a genuine small forward so was Geelong and then they went and got Stangle then they went all the way I reckon if the blues get Hayward, they will win the flag in the next few year and that’s coming from someone who hates Carlton!
Thing about mid-season trade Period, it basically becomes a second trade Period (obviously) so to counter your comment on it being an advantage to Vic teams and a disadvantage to every other teams, the groundwork behind the scenes between mangers and teams will frankly handle the conversations with players behind the scenes. If players aren't playing in the AFL side, then they're more likely to be considering a move. For that to happen players and clubs managers will have to facilitate the potential trade options. To avoid undermining the season's efforts though there would have to be an extremely more discreet level of communication than what we currently have as the potential problems of undermining another clubs depth/list is real. Speculation is to be expected but when it comes to clubs wishing to enhance their lists on a needs basis, then managers will do all the groundwork behind the scenes and it will by and large have to boil down to players making the first decision so that his or her family is prepared fir that potential move. Easier said then done, but something to eventually be improved upon with managers constantly asking questions about players in and outside their clubs and specific players.
Now tbh. I don't like the idea of a mid-season trade Period. Why? Because it sows discord, uncertainty and disloyalty amoungst clubs and I believe that while not a management issue that can in fact be worked around, it does leave an unsavoury stain on clubs and the culture they're trying to maintain or instill as players are the ones who fly the colours on the field.
There would have to be a lot of restrictions on the mid season trade which kinda contradicts the idea I reckon MSD should stay for good and maybe trade picks mid year or bring in pick purchasing for the end of the year.
There's been talk about a link between Gold Coast Suns and Tom Stewart from Geelong for the last week or two
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absolute no chance ahahaa
I don't like a MSTP... maybe they could try a trade deadline thing that lasts through preseason and stops before round 1 or the preseason games.
Forget about the Danger one. Won't happen. More likely that he will be forced to retire.
Lobb to Melbourne. They need a tall forward and need someone that can step into the ruck if Gawn gets injured.
Fantastic job!
Not a fan of the mid season trade period but it would be good for poor teams. You'd get more for older players as teams are trying to win the flag
I do not believe any team who is a chance to play finals is going to tank just to get a free agent. A finals appearance is too big of an opportunity to give away so lightly.
I think looking at the mid season trade period makes a lot of sense, it would help rebuilding teams get assets and build better teams for the future. In terms of the worries from interstate teams feeling disadvantaged in trading for players having a 20% trade kicker for a player being moved that could be paid outside of the cap to compensate and incentivise player to move could be the way to go .
Great Content brother, I really appreciate your perspective
Don’t like mid season draft for the reasons you mentioned.
The Saints are ready to open their war chest of cash at seasons end. Watch this space
not a fan of teams changing like that halfway through the season. no mid-season trade period.
Jack Graham more likely to go to Adelaide.
He’s as slow as a wet week and should retire at seasons end …
The Danger to Adelaide rumour was just a ploy to get him more money from Geelong. There's no chance he'd want to leave the Cats and Adelaide would have no interest in an old player considering their rebuild.
He should retire at seasons end …
I hate the idea of mid year trades. The media will live it because it will generate more columns, but for the fans it’s garbage
The people pushing it have watch Money Ball too many times
Mid season trade period will fail.
Jack Martin gone from the blues at the end of the year
Jack Martin is rumoured to move to west coast
@@Eaglesfan008The guy is always injured and way overpaid. He’s a liability …
I personally am not a huge fan of a midseason trade period but wouldn't be completely against it. I do believe if it did get put in place, not that many trades would happen. Like as a North fan, getting in one player now wouldn't be super helpful for what we would need to give up. We would need to wait to the end of the year to really assess what we have on the list. I would guess only teams that are about 9th, looking to add like a key forward or back would try to make a trade, fill a whole that would make them push for finals. But they probably knew they needed that player during the normal trade period so the midseason trade period would just be another opportunity to complete trades they couldn't get done in the normal period.
I think it’s more suited to clubs right in the premiership hunt, so if Max Gawn does a knee, they are trying to do a mid season trade for the Suns Ned Moyle.
I've heard from a reliable source that Harley Reid is doing a "Jason Horne-Francis" and is demanding a trade to the Adelaide Crows and that West Coast will end up with Matt Crouch, Rory Laird and a future 4th round pick for him in exchange.
And then you woke up! 😂
He's from Victoria so asking to go to Adelaide ain't happening haha
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@@josephgeordielogan4399 haha that's true
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I like the idea of midseason trades but it just depends how it works and what restrictions. I think it would be good for say a player like tom Campbell who never gets a game at St Kilda, yet teams like Adelaide, Collingwood and North are looking for a second ruck, they will probably get one in the mid season draft, but If there was a midseason trades it could help Campbell get a chance to play as well as the team getting the ruck they want. But I also think it is on the teams to make sure their list is built well at the end of the year