when mentioning input lag you didnt saying anything about the gaming mode on the P1. Gaming mode is suppose to reduce the input lag. I would love to know what the input lag is with gaming mode enabled. Best answer I found: 55ms (4K UHD, 60 Hz, Game Mode) SmartFIT and PureMotion must be disabled for Game Mode
I wanted one of these and got the Vava because it was available much sooner (USA) and $500 cheaper. I regretted the choice and sent it back because of the noise. I could hear it clearly through quiet scenes in movies & TV and it was distracting. I bought the Optoma later on and it is decidedly quieter. I think the picture was quite similar. There were also interface differences that made the Optoma slightly better to me but the noise of the Vava was just a deal-kiler for me. If that's not an issue I think someone could be quite happy with the Vava as well.
I agree.VAVA has much better,brighter and sharper picture than optoma.I wouldn't mind much about little noise,design and OS.We buy these machine for picture quality and nothing else.Based on most reviews I have seen so far, I would go for VAVA again and again if I could afford one.Its an amazing machine judging by the fact that it's their first on the market compared to Optoma who have been there long enough.I love it a lot and I know they're going to improve a lot on their next flagships.
@@allthingstech in fairness, this comment should be pinned. The Optoma is listed as 3000 ANSI lumens on ProjectorCentral while the VAVA is 2500 ANSI lumens.
Vava - 1yr warranty Optoma - 2yr warranty Dell UST - 2yr warranty All three are on the same price range now. Thanks for this video review. I'm thinking of getting the Optoma @Amazon for $2600
This is by far one of the best reviews out there, if I can just give some constructive advice, it would be great if you could label the takes, it’s a bit hard to follow which image belongs to which projector at times, and I think you forgot to compare sound quality? Just some honest opinions! Great work!
Great comparison, but I think the update should be made about additional ambient light during the day-time brightness test and also the $3,299 price from Optoma was an introductory price at launch and it actually sells for $3,799. Which makes it a full $1k more expensive than the VAVA in the US. Not an insignificant amount. Optoma is also available from more many more retailers, while the VAVA is basically limited to Amazon in the US. Optomas experience in the projection space really shows with all the options they give you. VAVA has some known picture adjustment settings especially if you switch sources/ports, picture settings, SDR/HDR and so on. Prior to this comparison, I was leaning towards the VAVA, after watching it, at similar price points, I'd buy Optoma. However with the pricing as it is.... it's hard enough to justify VAVA, but Optoma is even more expensive. Ugh...
I think it depends on the screen material as well. There are materials that absorb the lights better and that will make the Optoma stands out since it is brighter. I have a $1000 screen and it absorb lights pretty good and make my Optoma look amazing, no washed out even in day light.
Bought the VAVA 4k projector for $1,950 when it had the 24 hr Black Friday weekend sale. Awesome match for my 120" Vividstorm ALR motorized screen! Life's good :)
@@relicinn2119 then pay an extra $1300 for 4K....I'm happy with the VAVA for the price I paid. Bought that plus an ALR screen for less than the retail value of the Optoma projector by itself.
@@AsianSensation245 I did the same as you, my UA-cam friend. I only wanted the Optoma for its Trumotion option, but hope VAVA releases an update to its 60Hz processing. For the price, I'm happy.
i bought the optoma two weeks ago and from my point of view you clearly missed the coloring settings on the optoma. i got mine far more accurate to the source image. and in every aspect of the picture quality i got a better result. but thats just me. maybe the circumstances in the room are different. still i had the washed out picture with the default settings. after i changed the color settings everything was amazing. i recommend checkeng those again. on both devices.
@@allthingstech the settings for red and cyan are toatally off in my opinion. i chnged the intensity of these both the most and played around a little, the result was incredible. the other colors were pretty much ok. yellow is debatable, should be more intens than the default settings in my opinion. you have three settings per color that you can change. it would be too much to cover it all in the comment section
Thanks for the review. I got the Vava while it was on the black Friday sale. After watching this feel that I made the write decision and I see the black levels is a whole lot better which is pretty important
Just wanted to say that the weird ambient light test results appear to be as a result of different levels of ambient light hitting the projection screen... It's very obvious at 8:40 that more light is hitting the screen for the VAVA unit, you can see the greatly increased reflection in the black matte area under the screen. I suspect the same is for the open blinds test, the Optoma seems to have a very bright window vs a not as bright window for the VAVA.
look at the blinds at 8:22 and 8:32. They're not oriented the same, and that's why the ambient light is worse for the vava unit. If you look at the black area underneath the screen, you can tell it's not an apples to apples comparison, one is clearly more illuminated than the other, and it appears the light source is from the window on the left.
i didtnt noticed the blinds but i did noticed that the vava will turn your fabric couch into a leather couch! obviously this review biased towards optima. i can see more ambient light in the screen from the vava
I’ve seen both in real life. The 2020 version of the Vava does come in black and today you can with some searching get both at the same price. I prefer the Vava, during the day it looks noticeably better and black levels are important to me over colour (I’m an OLED guy). Overall both great but for me the 2020 Vava is the one that suits my needs
When you show the Optima and Vava side by side in ambient lighting, you can clearly see that the Optima is in a darker setting. Not saying you're trying to be bias towards the Optima, however I can visually see a difference. First time I've seen your videos as well, and I really liked how you frame your reviews. Liked and subbed
Great video ! Very useful thanks. I was wondering is that a pull-up screen you have in the video? How big is it? Is it tensioned ? Are you happy with it ? I’m looking for a BIG pull up screen but can’t find any long term reviews and stuff. Cheers mate
I'm still undecided .. vava or Optima I'll need it for daylight too, could you possibly do a review in full sunlight so we can see just how visible the picture is Also what screen do you recommend with either of these. Thanks for the values reviews and subscribed
I was waiting for the Optoma P1, but a little disappointed after it's debut. FYI, you can get a Xiaomi MIija for like $1900. Not as many picture adjustments, but all the other specs are comparable. Vava would probably be my next choice, then P1 if money is not a factor.
This is a very well done comparison. It's hard to match light levels with a daylight source, of course. I think the Optoma is the winner overall, myself. I wish laser projectors would come down in price to the level of LED or lamp-based. I would love to escape the tyranny of the lamp hour counters, but I don't want to drop $4000-plus.
Sorry to ask . if i buy any Short range projector and i do not use an ALR screen just white wall , will that be ok ? if its always a dark room only for cinema movies or i need to buy it
Is it possible that the camera exposure setting could have skewed the tests? If the camera's exposure level was left on automatic instead of manual, the iso and shutter speed could have made one video image darker/lighter than the other.
Do you know if outputting sound on the VAVA via 3.5mm or optical turn off the soundbar? I'd like to add a small powered subwoofer while keeping the speakers on. Thanks.
The thing is you didn't test CEC controls and 3D...Both of which im having trouble with VAVA. Would have liked to know if Optima does these features correctly.
I am looking to order the VaVa in the next couple of weeks. I do have a question though, will this project well on a medium shade gray painted wall? (mindful gray)
I understand that the average user does not calibrate the projector, but giving a winner and a loser without first checking how much the projector can improve after a calibration is a sacrilege
Vava stopped shipping worldwide around the start of the Pandemic (I too wanted to purchase it for delivery to the UK). The Optoma however is available through www.scan.co.uk/ (based in my hometown of Bolton). The only reputable source I personally have come across which is likely to ship the Vava to the UK would be dubaimachines.com/ I hope this helps.
@@allthingstech Gotcha. Thanks for sharing this info. Might be interesting to see if washout for either becomes problematic with different screens. Great content none the less!
Thank you , All Things Tech, my confusion is clear and I got lot of clarity, thank you for making this video, and sharing your knowledge with everyone👍
Viva do the black also, and in my opinion it makes it easier for me to decide. Vava will be my choice, but is it related in anyway to Sony, I just think it shouts Sony
from your experience re ustp, can you give insight into a list of the ones that give the best visible image in a bright environment... im goin to be projecting to a proper screen, and will be using hd content. Im looking for a projector with the highest lumen being projected to the screen.
Any decicive comment on the light or room settings being different around 8:22 and 8:32? Blinds are set different and the room (couch, plants lights) have changed, I think that should be set straight.
I would have loved to hear about how they deal with 24/50/60hz video and the latency. Apparently the Vava is only good with 60hz content and also has terrible latency. Seen nothing about the Optoma yet.
They both are noticeable on 24 & 50Htz although the VAVA is worse. You can turn on Pure Motion on the Optoma if that helps but I'm aware not everyone likes it.
I know this was just a video comparison between the Optoma vs Vava but I have to say the best one on the market today and its the LG hu85la. Picture and user interface are no comparison having seen and used them..
4:00 -- What do you mean "almost identical connections"? I see 3 HDMI connections on the VAVA and 2 on the Optoma. That's not insignificant. The HDMI ARC is going to go to an external soundbar for surround sound, and one HDMI is going to be taken up by a Fire Stick or the like. Leaving no additional HDMI connections available on the Optoma for a gaming system or DVD player. Am I missing something?
The VAVA keystone correction is so limited and bad, so I'm left with a super wavy line on my wall (doesn't seem to show up on my projector screen though). It only has Rec 709 (compared to the better Rec 2020 of the Optoma P1) also. The VAVA's HDMI CEC function isn't working fully either, only partially, with my Nvidia Shield Pro 2019. Aptiode TV is trash -- can't even play UA-cam videos from it properly (ads will play, but the actual UA-cam video will not), which is why I bought the Nvidia Shield. However, the VAVA can go up to 150" and requires less space from the wall, versus only 120" for the Optoma P1. So I ultimately decided VAVA was better, especially for far cheaper. I don't get such washed out images in a dark room on my VAVA as shown in your review video either. And VAVA absolutely looks stunning in daylight with all the windows open and bright light streaming in (combined with my VividStorm ALR screen).
That wavy line has nothing to do with keystone, that's an imperfection in your wall. That's why it doesn't show up on the screen. Any UST projector would have the same thing.
@@DeathStickD Well, the point of keystone is to fix any slight imperfections. However, the VAVA's keystone correction is so limited that it can't even fix a minor imperfection that is imperceptible to the naked eye. If VAVA had 16 points instead of 8, it might have been able to fix the issue.
@@peTeMelster it still wouldn't have, and that's not the point of keystone, the point of keystone is for when your screen or projector (your floor or ceiling) aren't level thus giving you a trapezoid image. It will not fix imperfections in your wall such as dips and dents. That's why a screen is recommended especially for anything that's short throw. The shorter the throw the more drastic an impact it'll have on your image.
YES!!! My VAVA has a wavy line on the upper left and the lower right that I can't get rid of. It's not keystoning I don't think because it is not a straight line but rather it is truly wavy. I was projecting onto the wall, so I thought maybe that was it, so I moved it to another wall, and the curves are in the same areas of the screen edge. I am wondering if I have a defective unit.
Comparison is useless without a proper calibration and knowing what gain the screen is. I would wait to pull the trigger until a proper calibration is done on both projectors. There were no actual test done on either projector. This comparison on picture performance is misleading. Personally I wouldn't have a white projector under my screen, it's just to distracting.
mark kaupas the VAVA shows a better picture overall. You have to change the settings. And the sound from the VAVA is amazing. And you need the right projector screen for this application as well. VAVA all the way!!!
Dreamstate i currently have the VAVA and it’s quality is unreal compared to the Optoma . Optoma is a great product, but when it comes to quality in picture and sound VAVA is where its at.
Adarsh Shah I took my VAVA to a home theater store and they already had a Optoma hooked on a 100in screen. They were just as curious as I was of which is better. The VAVA showed a TRUE 4K picture.
How long does the Optoma take to turn on? I didn't like how long the Vava took to start playing a video, because with a chromecast, I'd miss the first 30-40 seconds because it had to boot Android every time. Also, can you turn off the Optoma with Google Assistant? Chromecasts can turn off most TVs that support CEC, but the Vava just crashes and shows a black screen while keeping the laser on.
Why do you never comment if you have 3D, even if it is a brief commentary please ... i know that is out of fashion but i love 3D and i want to buy a projector that has that function ... i believe it is an important data for some ..!
When it comes to contrast, I think that in a light room, the brighter projector will seem better. To really compare, don't you need to set brightness and contrast to some measure of equality versus using out of the box settings? (Anyone can ship a projector with default brightness on a higher setting.) Or, is out of the box testing what you are after? I know I spent hours setting up my projector and out of the box settings are not worthy of serious evaluation.
The vava seems to make everything too orange which will be terrible and give everyone a tan. Also 6db difference is huge. I bet the vava would be too loud on quiet scenes. That would drive me nuts .
Man I wish someone would test these short throw projects on a plane smooth white wall😅 Considering one of these in my living room, but I don't want a 90-120" big screen on the wall. Could anyone link me a video if you k ow of one? Cheers.
all things tech even for a PAL region user? I’m quite sensitive to microstutter and i’m freightened by the 24p managing of these (xiaomi, vava) projectors Thanks
Dion you should be more specific than "smashed". Price notwithstanding, do you mean quality? If so, what aspects of quality was the Xiaomi > Vava > Optoma?
Hi Kevin & Chris, yes. I found the Vava was noiseir than the Xiaomi and colours was way to over exposed. Similar to comparing the colours of a picture in an iPhone vs Samsung. Xiaomi is iPhone where the colours are natural and not over expose. I used the Vividstorm electrical UST screen for the comparison. Optoma daytime viewing was not very good and for the price, it should have better than both Vava & Xioami. I would think that between the Xioami vs Vava, it's individual liking. I know some which liked the Samsung bright colours rather than the true natural colours of the iPhone.
FULL INDIVIDUAL REVIEWS:
Optoma: ua-cam.com/video/_DnPNmKRZgQ/v-deo.html
VAVA: ua-cam.com/video/y4_vN6K_URg/v-deo.html
when mentioning input lag you didnt saying anything about the gaming mode on the P1. Gaming mode is suppose to reduce the input lag. I would love to know what the input lag is with gaming mode enabled.
Best answer I found: 55ms (4K UHD, 60 Hz, Game Mode)
SmartFIT and PureMotion must be disabled for Game Mode
Your'e right down to 55ms in gaming mode. Thats twice lower than the VAVA
Wont go any lower in 1080P ?
I wanted one of these and got the Vava because it was available much sooner (USA) and $500 cheaper. I regretted the choice and sent it back because of the noise. I could hear it clearly through quiet scenes in movies & TV and it was distracting. I bought the Optoma later on and it is decidedly quieter. I think the picture was quite similar. There were also interface differences that made the Optoma slightly better to me but the noise of the Vava was just a deal-kiler for me. If that's not an issue I think someone could be quite happy with the Vava as well.
In my honest opinion vava was brighter and more vivid. For the price and overall quality vava wins!
I agree.VAVA has much better,brighter and sharper picture than optoma.I wouldn't mind much about little noise,design and OS.We buy these machine for picture quality and nothing else.Based on most reviews I have seen so far, I would go for VAVA again and again if I could afford one.Its an amazing machine judging by the fact that it's their first on the market compared to Optoma who have been there long enough.I love it a lot and I know they're going to improve a lot on their next flagships.
@@preezy1981 very true.Their debut machine and it's giving the big boys sleepless nights.I wish I can afford one.
Noise is a MAJOR factor with projectors. I sold projectors only because I couln't stand the noise.
What everyone is missing here is how important the right screen is for an UST projector. That screen isn't very good for UST.
8:03
I can se MUCH MORE LIGHT from the window is coming in the Optoma scene
Agreed, my bad.
@@allthingstech do a follow up with a fair comparison
@@allthingstech in fairness, this comment should be pinned. The Optoma is listed as 3000 ANSI lumens on ProjectorCentral while the VAVA is 2500 ANSI lumens.
I. Straubing....True
Vava - 1yr warranty
Optoma - 2yr warranty
Dell UST - 2yr warranty
All three are on the same price range now. Thanks for this video review. I'm thinking of getting the Optoma @Amazon for $2600
This is by far one of the best reviews out there, if I can just give some constructive advice, it would be great if you could label the takes, it’s a bit hard to follow which image belongs to which projector at times, and I think you forgot to compare sound quality? Just some honest opinions! Great work!
Great comparison, but I think the update should be made about additional ambient light during the day-time brightness test and also the $3,299 price from Optoma was an introductory price at launch and it actually sells for $3,799. Which makes it a full $1k more expensive than the VAVA in the US. Not an insignificant amount. Optoma is also available from more many more retailers, while the VAVA is basically limited to Amazon in the US. Optomas experience in the projection space really shows with all the options they give you. VAVA has some known picture adjustment settings especially if you switch sources/ports, picture settings, SDR/HDR and so on.
Prior to this comparison, I was leaning towards the VAVA, after watching it, at similar price points, I'd buy Optoma. However with the pricing as it is.... it's hard enough to justify VAVA, but Optoma is even more expensive. Ugh...
How do these bad boys compare to the Xiaomi UST projectors? I heard the VAVA is quite noisy, can you tell me how the noise is next to a xiaomi?
I think it depends on the screen material as well. There are materials that absorb the lights better and that will make the Optoma stands out since it is brighter. I have a $1000 screen and it absorb lights pretty good and make my Optoma look amazing, no washed out even in day light.
Screen is really important and for these UST projectors a ALR screen is a must.
Which screen do you have?
I have been waiting for this indeed !!! Patiently. Great detail and unbiased review
Detailed to a certain level, Yes..
Unbiased, Hell No.
But that's ok it's not a scientific comparison.
Which one did I favour? - They both have strong points unless you're biased to one lol!
Bought the VAVA 4k projector for $1,950 when it had the 24 hr Black Friday weekend sale. Awesome match for my 120" Vividstorm ALR motorized screen! Life's good :)
I was SO CLOSE to buying the Optoma P2...but the VAVA is on sale on Amazon today for only $1950. SOLD!
Optoma is 4k vava 1440
@@relicinn2119 then pay an extra $1300 for 4K....I'm happy with the VAVA for the price I paid. Bought that plus an ALR screen for less than the retail value of the Optoma projector by itself.
@@AsianSensation245
I did the same as you, my UA-cam friend. I only wanted the Optoma for its Trumotion option, but hope VAVA releases an update to its 60Hz processing. For the price, I'm happy.
i bought the optoma two weeks ago and from my point of view you clearly missed the coloring settings on the optoma. i got mine far more accurate to the source image. and in every aspect of the picture quality i got a better result. but thats just me. maybe the circumstances in the room are different. still i had the washed out picture with the default settings. after i changed the color settings everything was amazing. i recommend checkeng those again. on both devices.
What settings did you change to?
@@allthingstech the settings for red and cyan are toatally off in my opinion. i chnged the intensity of these both the most and played around a little, the result was incredible. the other colors were pretty much ok. yellow is debatable, should be more intens than the default settings in my opinion. you have three settings per color that you can change. it would be too much to cover it all in the comment section
Hallo what do you think?
Uhz65ust vs p2?
Which one is better?
Thanks for the review. I got the Vava while it was on the black Friday sale. After watching this feel that I made the write decision and I see the black levels is a whole lot better which is pretty important
FrontlineSoilder you can set a dynamic mode on Optoma. Maybe was not activated
Just wanted to say that the weird ambient light test results appear to be as a result of different levels of ambient light hitting the projection screen... It's very obvious at 8:40 that more light is hitting the screen for the VAVA unit, you can see the greatly increased reflection in the black matte area under the screen. I suspect the same is for the open blinds test, the Optoma seems to have a very bright window vs a not as bright window for the VAVA.
look at the blinds at 8:22 and 8:32. They're not oriented the same, and that's why the ambient light is worse for the vava unit. If you look at the black area underneath the screen, you can tell it's not an apples to apples comparison, one is clearly more illuminated than the other, and it appears the light source is from the window on the left.
I saw the exact same thing. Great review overall though
i didtnt noticed the blinds but i did noticed that the vava will turn your fabric couch into a leather couch! obviously this review biased towards optima. i can see more ambient light in the screen from the vava
@@pirusrch ...I didn't catch that! Now the different plants are bothering me! lol
I’ve seen both in real life. The 2020 version of the Vava does come in black and today you can with some searching get both at the same price. I prefer the Vava, during the day it looks noticeably better and black levels are important to me over colour (I’m an OLED guy). Overall both great but for me the 2020 Vava is the one that suits my needs
CANT WAIT for VAVAV chroma NeXT month, thats the projector i am gonna buy
For sports viewing, football, which one is better in family room? Only watch movies in bat cave with a JVC 2000. Nice comparison review, thanks
When you show the Optima and Vava side by side in ambient lighting, you can clearly see that the Optima is in a darker setting. Not saying you're trying to be bias towards the Optima, however I can visually see a difference. First time I've seen your videos as well, and I really liked how you frame your reviews. Liked and subbed
Great video ! Very useful thanks.
I was wondering is that a pull-up screen you have in the video? How big is it? Is it tensioned ? Are you happy with it ? I’m looking for a BIG pull up screen but can’t find any long term reviews and stuff.
Cheers mate
Great review and super detailed! Thank you for a professional comparison 🙌🏼
could you please share why Optoma is better for gaming?
This tech will get much better it seems.
I'm still undecided .. vava or Optima
I'll need it for daylight too, could you possibly do a review in full sunlight so we can see just how visible the picture is
Also what screen do you recommend with either of these.
Thanks for the values reviews and subscribed
I was waiting for the Optoma P1, but a little disappointed after it's debut. FYI, you can get a Xiaomi MIija for like $1900. Not as many picture adjustments, but all the other specs are comparable. Vava would probably be my next choice, then P1 if money is not a factor.
what screen were you using? this can make a massive difference with short throw projectors. also 6db in loudness is huge in a quite environment !
This is a very well done comparison. It's hard to match light levels with a daylight source, of course. I think the Optoma is the winner overall, myself. I wish laser projectors would come down in price to the level of LED or lamp-based. I would love to escape the tyranny of the lamp hour counters, but I don't want to drop $4000-plus.
Sorry to ask . if i buy any Short range projector and i do not use an ALR screen just white wall , will that be ok ? if its always a dark room only for cinema movies or i need to buy it
Is it possible that the camera exposure setting could have skewed the tests? If the camera's exposure level was left on automatic instead of manual, the iso and shutter speed could have made one video image darker/lighter than the other.
Do you know if outputting sound on the VAVA via 3.5mm or optical turn off the soundbar? I'd like to add a small powered subwoofer while keeping the speakers on. Thanks.
How much farther forward was the vava? This is one of my concerns as the depth of my room is limited.
Great vidoe. Optoma UhZ65 or cinemax p1 has beet picture color and black?
The thing is you didn't test CEC controls and 3D...Both of which im having trouble with VAVA. Would have liked to know if Optima does these features correctly.
how can the vava be better for bright environments when its way darker in a dark room? confused :O
Hi just a quick question 😉 what screen did you use?
I am looking to order the VaVa in the next couple of weeks. I do have a question though, will this project well on a medium shade gray painted wall? (mindful gray)
Spencer Wise I tested on a gray Vividstorm rising projector so the images in this video are on a medium gray screen so you should be fine.
I understand that the average user does not calibrate the projector, but giving a winner and a loser without first checking how much the projector can improve after a calibration is a sacrilege
What do you used to keep your adjustments in line.
A calibration Blu-ray? Spears n Munsil?
Thx App via iOS or Android?
What's the warranty difference on them? Both a year?
Great review, but I can't seem to find a UK/GBP option on VAVA website. Nor can I find any other UK suppliers (at least none that I would trust).
Vava stopped shipping worldwide around the start of the Pandemic (I too wanted to purchase it for delivery to the UK). The Optoma however is available through www.scan.co.uk/ (based in my hometown of Bolton). The only reputable source I personally have come across which is likely to ship the Vava to the UK would be dubaimachines.com/
I hope this helps.
Just a marvelous review video... thorough, artful, informative! Thanks from the States! 💛😎
In the dark room tests, which projector is which? They're not labeled. Thanks.
In the dark room tests, which projector is which? They're not labeled. Round 2. 🧐
Great job comparing the two. Did you use an ALR screen for an UST projector? Gain?
Yes The Vividstorm ALR
@@allthingstech
Gotcha. Thanks for sharing this info. Might be interesting to see if washout for either becomes problematic with different screens. Great content none the less!
Peak Gain: 0.8
Half Gain Angle: 75°
Thank you , All Things Tech, my confusion is clear and I got lot of clarity, thank you for making this video, and sharing your knowledge with everyone👍
I have a 3 meter wide screen, will both of these projectors still handle this size?
Viva do the black also, and in my opinion it makes it easier for me to decide. Vava will be my choice, but is it related in anyway to Sony, I just think it shouts Sony
from your experience re ustp, can you give insight into a list of the ones that give the best visible image in a bright environment... im goin to be projecting to a proper screen, and will be using hd content. Im looking for a projector with the highest lumen being projected to the screen.
very good comparison and reviews. Thanks
Thanks for the video! I’d like to see a test between these and the new Bowmaker Polaris and maybe add the Samsung and LG to the mix.
Any decicive comment on the light or room settings being different around 8:22 and 8:32? Blinds are set different and the room (couch, plants lights) have changed, I think that should be set straight.
Thanks for your comment, that's why in the video I said 'similar time' and 'similar' darkness. I tried to get it as close as possible.
I would have loved to hear about how they deal with 24/50/60hz video and the latency. Apparently the Vava is only good with 60hz content and also has terrible latency. Seen nothing about the Optoma yet.
They both are noticeable on 24 & 50Htz although the VAVA is worse. You can turn on Pure Motion on the Optoma if that helps but I'm aware not everyone likes it.
Optoma or xiaomi 4k laser projector?
Where to buy the screens for UST? They seem pretty important for image quality.
eBay
Amazon or build your own
I know this was just a video comparison between the Optoma vs Vava but I have to say the best one on the market today and its the LG hu85la. Picture and user interface are no comparison having seen and used them..
that's a huge price bump though
4:00 -- What do you mean "almost identical connections"? I see 3 HDMI connections on the VAVA and 2 on the Optoma. That's not insignificant. The HDMI ARC is going to go to an external soundbar for surround sound, and one HDMI is going to be taken up by a Fire Stick or the like. Leaving no additional HDMI connections available on the Optoma for a gaming system or DVD player.
Am I missing something?
Optoma has another HDMI on the left or right-hand side too.
The VAVA keystone correction is so limited and bad, so I'm left with a super wavy line on my wall (doesn't seem to show up on my projector screen though). It only has Rec 709 (compared to the better Rec 2020 of the Optoma P1) also. The VAVA's HDMI CEC function isn't working fully either, only partially, with my Nvidia Shield Pro 2019. Aptiode TV is trash -- can't even play UA-cam videos from it properly (ads will play, but the actual UA-cam video will not), which is why I bought the Nvidia Shield. However, the VAVA can go up to 150" and requires less space from the wall, versus only 120" for the Optoma P1. So I ultimately decided VAVA was better, especially for far cheaper. I don't get such washed out images in a dark room on my VAVA as shown in your review video either. And VAVA absolutely looks stunning in daylight with all the windows open and bright light streaming in (combined with my VividStorm ALR screen).
That wavy line has nothing to do with keystone, that's an imperfection in your wall. That's why it doesn't show up on the screen. Any UST projector would have the same thing.
Try Smart UA-cam on Aptoide I had it working perfectly
@@DeathStickD Well, the point of keystone is to fix any slight imperfections. However, the VAVA's keystone correction is so limited that it can't even fix a minor imperfection that is imperceptible to the naked eye. If VAVA had 16 points instead of 8, it might have been able to fix the issue.
@@peTeMelster it still wouldn't have, and that's not the point of keystone, the point of keystone is for when your screen or projector (your floor or ceiling) aren't level thus giving you a trapezoid image. It will not fix imperfections in your wall such as dips and dents. That's why a screen is recommended especially for anything that's short throw. The shorter the throw the more drastic an impact it'll have on your image.
YES!!! My VAVA has a wavy line on the upper left and the lower right that I can't get rid of. It's not keystoning I don't think because it is not a straight line but rather it is truly wavy. I was projecting onto the wall, so I thought maybe that was it, so I moved it to another wall, and the curves are in the same areas of the screen edge. I am wondering if I have a defective unit.
Can you compare silver ticket to elite screen for each machine?
Fo they support something like "mirror image" that would allow to place them above the screen? Thanks!
Subbed, thank you for the very thorough review.
thanks buddy!
Comparison is useless without a proper calibration and knowing what gain the screen is. I would wait to pull the trigger until a proper calibration is done on both projectors. There were no actual test done on either projector. This comparison on picture performance is misleading. Personally I wouldn't have a white projector under my screen, it's just to distracting.
mark kaupas the VAVA shows a better picture overall. You have to change the settings. And the sound from the VAVA is amazing. And you need the right projector screen for this application as well. VAVA all the way!!!
Dreamstate i currently have the VAVA and it’s quality is unreal compared to the Optoma . Optoma is a great product, but when it comes to quality in picture and sound VAVA is where its at.
@@charlesv4747 how did you compare them?
Adarsh Shah I took my VAVA to a home theater store and they already had a Optoma hooked on a 100in screen. They were just as curious as I was of which is better. The VAVA showed a TRUE 4K picture.
@@charlesv4747 what do you smoke? Plz give me some buddy because p1 destroyed vava not even close only LG can compete
What projector screen r u using?
Made me a subscriber with your review technique
Could you please recommend a better Laser projector with higher Lumens for Worship House. The screen has to be minimum 180 inch.
It would need to be not a Ultra Short Throw - Take a look at the Optoma UHZ65 ua-cam.com/video/Iu2NiVtHwNI/v-deo.html
I love your wooden wall and dial up telephone
This. Helps. Thanks so much for the time and effort.
How long does the Optoma take to turn on? I didn't like how long the Vava took to start playing a video, because with a chromecast, I'd miss the first 30-40 seconds because it had to boot Android every time.
Also, can you turn off the Optoma with Google Assistant? Chromecasts can turn off most TVs that support CEC, but the Vava just crashes and shows a black screen while keeping the laser on.
Awesome comparison! Thank you 😊
can you cover lg side by side as well? It is double the price but does it pay off in picture quality?
I'm working on LG to send one over for review!
Thanks for the review. Been waiting for ages. So I went for the LG.
How is the LG compared to what you’ve learned in this video? Really don’t know which one to buy (LG, Xiaomi, Vava, Optoma)
Great review...Do I need to use an ALR screen or will my matte white screen do? My room is totally dark.
John Lim should be ok although the ALR screen would likely give you something extra, try it with your current screen and see how good it is
@@allthingstech thanks....coming from a Sony VW95 is the picture quality of the 4K laser pj really worth the upgrade?
I use grey on my vava, it works well. Upgrade from a optoma gt1080 is night and day.
@@DeathStickD thanks
Can you do a test for Optoma P1 Vs Epson Eh-la500
Why do you never comment if you have 3D, even if it is a brief commentary please ... i know that is out of fashion but i love 3D and i want to buy a projector that has that function ... i believe it is an important data for some ..!
El Trombón de Will I am told that 3D support will be coming to the VAVA via an update but as yet not sure when. The Optoma supports 3D at 1080p
Very nice comparison. However, which plays a better 3D content?
Optoma no debate!
Vava don't have 3D if I'm not mistaken
Vava has great 3D!
Can test with silver ticket ST3-169120-UST screen?
Great review. Would prefer the model that best displays movies.
Thanks and agree
Which one would be better for gaming? I heard the Optoma has a terrible response time.
Optoma has a game mode which reduces lag time dramatically
Great review. I agree with the final conclusions. My user profile is more aligned with the Optoma
When it comes to contrast, I think that in a light room, the brighter projector will seem better. To really compare, don't you need to set brightness and contrast to some measure of equality versus using out of the box settings? (Anyone can ship a projector with default brightness on a higher setting.) Or, is out of the box testing what you are after? I know I spent hours setting up my projector and out of the box settings are not worthy of serious evaluation.
Good question, ATT what can you say about the settings, are they out of the box or callibrated?
When doing the side by side test why is there an Optima icon in the top left hand corner of the screen?
C M to make it fair I used the same video on both projectors.
@@allthingstech Might have been better to use an impartial video. Good review BTW.
The vava seems to make everything too orange which will be terrible and give everyone a tan. Also 6db difference is huge. I bet the vava would be too loud on quiet scenes. That would drive me nuts .
HOW MUCH IN THIS PROJECTOR
Man I wish someone would test these short throw projects on a plane smooth white wall😅
Considering one of these in my living room, but I don't want a 90-120" big screen on the wall.
Could anyone link me a video if you k ow of one? Cheers.
The vava looks great but I have always been a fan of optoma and epson range have subbed great video mate
Thank you. looks like I'll not be getting any of these. better to buy a sony OLED / a better projector
Top man!!! Many thx 4 this:)
What about 24p source managing? The VAVA was smooth as the Optoma?
Not quite but not that noticeable
all things tech even for a PAL region user? I’m quite sensitive to microstutter and i’m freightened by the 24p managing of these (xiaomi, vava) projectors
Thanks
I have always wanted a short throw projector but I always get sticker shocked every time I look at.
You da man. Cheers. Vava it is then.
Great info. Thanks and could you tell us what screen you used for the test?
Thanks, the screen is a Vividstorm rising screen here: ua-cam.com/video/bNC7Ziq7lzQ/v-deo.html
It was the 3d for me
I'm told 3D will happen on the VAVA with an OTA update, although not sure when.
@@allthingstech they have been saying that for almost a year now
Thanks a lot for the review, but can you say anything about noise levels? Say from a distance of around 15 feet.
No issues on either projector from distance almost silent on each.
But can it handle Crysis?
Ah, but are either of these babies capable of showing 3D? For us that is a major need.
Awesome review.. The new LG would be a good compare but the price point is much higher..
I'm working on them for a review unit.
love your videos. can you give me some idea on how far above the ust projector the screen should be ? thanks
Vava smashed the Optoma in everything. Xiaomi 4K smashed the Vava. I compared them.
Vava way better then xiaomi. Are you serious?
Dion you should be more specific than "smashed". Price notwithstanding, do you mean quality? If so, what aspects of quality was the Xiaomi > Vava > Optoma?
Hi Kevin & Chris, yes. I found the Vava was noiseir than the Xiaomi and colours was way to over exposed. Similar to comparing the colours of a picture in an iPhone vs Samsung. Xiaomi is iPhone where the colours are natural and not over expose.
I used the Vividstorm electrical UST screen for the comparison. Optoma daytime viewing was not very good and for the price, it should have better than both Vava & Xioami.
I would think that between the Xioami vs Vava, it's individual liking. I know some which liked the Samsung bright colours rather than the true natural colours of the iPhone.
i choose optoma for only one reason, its the 3D content playing capability,
Nice comparison review
Great review my friend very informative and great comparison!
Thanks for this astute review. Cheers