@@StryfetheWarrior maybe Daniel will ask to who ever is in charge of the event of sekai takai if he knows anything about Mr Miyagi and the hoster will reveal there was a very bloody and violent fight beetween Mr Miyagi and Kim Sung Young and we find out that Kim injured Sato and thats why sati hated him. The hoster reveals that his father was the one that saw the fight happen, and that his father talked about it being a battle of the best defense vs the best offense he had ever seen. Winner being Miyagi, both close to death.
Johnny telling the whole story would've just made it worse for Daniel. Daniel always instigated then played the "victim" card in typical jew fashion when it came time to face the consequences. The idea that Johnny was the bully got debunked back in 2009 then again in 2015. This is 2024. Catch up.
I think the more ironic thing in that scene was daniel saying "we don't each these kids to fight with anger" a few seconds later he sucker punches johnny out of anger
Probably was a sorta troublemaker when he was younger but still had a good heart. Then later he grew up and matured in his older age and when he met Daniel he probably saw a lot of the hot head tendencies that Daniel had and related to him. He probably saw that in Johnny too which is why if he saw Johnny now he’d be proud of Johnny joining miyagi do and maturing. I think that’s how Johnny and Daniel will fix things between them when Daniel realizes that miyagi isn’t so different from the both of them and is human
Yeah, but Amanda told him that in confidence because she trusts him. She didn't tell Johnny that so he could throw it in Daniel's face during an argument. Johnny said that to hurt him, because he was angry
Yes he was being a hypocrite just because Miyagi had a dark moment in his past. Which for the record we don't know the full story regarding what happened. It doesn't change the core of Miyagi's character from the four films. Johnny agreed to do the teaching of Miyagi-Do Karate but he's been fighting against the teaching of Daniel's style. He went from saying that he would follow the teaching of Miyagi-Do to confessing to Daniel. That in reality he has no interest in it so at Johnny's core he's a Cobra Kai.
@@manoftomorrow79he wasn’t necessarily being a hypocrite he is right no one is perfect and he kinda was a liar and a thief Johnny wasn’t tryna say that he is perfect but he said that no one is basically
@@OminousAFK Yes, it's to do or morally think a certain way only to do the exact opposite of what you claim to live by. Let's take Johnny for example by the end of episode one Johnny agreed to have the dojo's name be Miyagi-Do he even said it himself that Mr. Miyagi's legacy should be followed. By the end of episode 5 Johnny trash-talked Miyagi's memory and said to Daniel that he had no interest Miyagi's teachings even when Johnny was at Larusso Auto. When things didn't go his way his first instinct was to quit the job he was blessed with and start up his own dealership by stealing cars from Daniel's car lot. When Daniel learned that Tory's mother died he wanted to handle the matter privately so to not make it a scene in front of everyone. Then after Tory blurts it out Johnny insisted that Tory still fight when she clearly wasn't in the right state of mind mentally to fight and could seriously hurt Sam during the match. The problem with Johnny is he goes against what he claims to follow (hypocrite), he's immature, and he doesn't know how to compromise with others.
Okay let me stop your ass right there if it wasn't for Daniel lorusso bring in the New Jersey attitude all the way to California not even realizing hey John is acting kind of crazy hey Johnny can I talk to you for a second brother I'm not trying to take your girl I'm just trying to get to know her I'm new here you know what I'm saying like literally there was no conversation going on whatsoever and then here it is Mr miyagi was the first person to beat the s*** out of a bunch of kids he should have been in jail then he stole somebody's black belt for Ralph macchio AKA Daniel larusso to come into a karate tournament that he had no that he had no right coming into because hello in order to come into a karate tournament you have to be a School notable of being able to be in the tournament then Mr miyagi stole somebody else's black belt gave it to Daniel larusso who was illegally signed into the tournament and oh got him to beat the hell out of a bunch of kids that he had no no business fighting anyway as well as he showed him how to do an illegal kick to the face when mind you anybody who's a white belt should not be kicking above the waist level to kick somebody in the face that would have been an automatic disqualify. So if by any chance he had not even been there Johnny Johnny probably would have won the tournament and he probably wouldn't have got the s*** choked out of him bought his master Kreese who of course one Johnny lied to and also without the omission or lie to John creese there wouldn't have been all that b*******
Imagine being bullied and a hero appears in your life who saves you, gives you a car, helps you become a better man mentally, Daniel rightly respects Miyagi a lot he's like a Father to him.
Daniel cause the halloween fight! Daniel wet him up with a hose while he was smoking. If he would gotten an adult, the adult would have handle it and possibly Daniel wouldn’t gotten caught
@@whiteranger79 you forget Johnny destroyed Daniel Bike and body before the Halloween party and I'm not sure if the other adults would have handled that situation.
@@whiteranger79Daniel started the fight at the Halloween dance. Johnny went insanely too far (either killed him or severely injured Daniel had he landed that kick). Both can be true at the same time.
@@whiteranger79no Johnny was a bully. If he hadn't been harassing Daniel none of this would have happened in fact. Johnny pushed him down a hill. In the scene after in Karate Kid 1 Daniel says to Mr. Miyagi that hes getting his ass kicked "every other day". In the scene where Mr. Miyagi is treating Daniel after he first intervened. Daniel repeated the same thing to miguel that Johnny and his gang were beating him every other day. Sorry its Johnny's fault for being a class A douchebag. 😊 Dont buy into the lie Johnny told about "not seeing Larusso for months" Daniel's black eye had healed by the time he was thrown down the hill.
Did Mr. Miyagi pretend to be a saint? Nah, I don't think so. He's just an old man. He get enough of his past life. He just want to life the rest of his live peacefully.
The problem is not with people being just people. The problem is when others put them on a pedestal and use them to control how orher people should live
Mr. Miyagi not only was a World War II hero and the recipient of the metal honor. He was a grand master in karate, but he was also a complicated man, but when he saw Daniel for the first time, he recognized something in him, he reminded him of himself when he was a young boy That’s why I Miyagi son Todd, Daniel karate but also the way of life that’s why Daniel has him on a pedestal because to him/ Miyagi son was his true father
Honestly one of the core messages of this show is that no one is perfect and everyone will have their flaws but it's up to those people to correct them that's why people like it so much
The thing is Johnny has consistently stayed true to his character the whole time but learning the truth about miyagi changed your whole perception of him
It didn’t change my perspective at all, in fact it makes miyagi feel more human than ever, I feel like now with this info that once you look back at the og films that you gain more motivation from miyagi in the sense that if a “bad guy” can end up becoming the kind, gentle, wise and father like figure that is miyagi then why can’t I also become a better person
It’s true to a lot of real-life karate masters. Mas Oyama used to beat up US military police, and Motabu Choki would visit red-light districts to pick fights. Funakoshi wrote that his own masters did many wild, heroic things in their youth, but were ashamed of them in later life, dismissing them as the impetuousness of youth. Chojun Miyagi, funnily enough, seems to have been milder, but who knows what he got up to while training in China.
Mr Miyagi never claimed to be perfect, but Daniel has claimed it several TIMES. Mr.Miyagi was a thief, but he was never a liar in the first place. Johnny stepped out of line saying that, but Daniel needs to also understand that Mr.Miyagi isn’t perfect and that he has done bad things.
Yep! Daniel put him on a pedestal. Johnny though still stole, and is a thief in my opinion. But I'm ok with saying all 3 of those characters are flawed; that's what makes them human.
@@StryfetheWarrior that doesn’t make him a hypocrite though. Johnny never pretended that he didn’t steal or lie. A hypocrite pretends to have virtues that they don’t. So I’d be a hypocrite if I lectured you for oversleeping, but I myself overslept.
If we’re including omission as a way of lying, then Miyagi was a liar too. He completely omitted parts of Miyagi-do that didn’t fit the “defense only” motto. And the trailer for season six has teased that he was hiding secrets in that very dojo too.
Honestly Miyagi was probably like Johnny once. The main thing is when we saw Miyagis captains headband in the end with blood on it. I'm firmly believing that Mr. Miyagi never trained Daniel in the more aggresive and combative forms of Miyagi-Do, because during his Sekai Takai, he killed an opponent during a match. Whether by accident or intent i think well find out.
when Daniel met miyagi he wasn't like that... whatever happened with miyagi was when he was younger... yall act like miyagi wasn't a changed man when he got older and wise... anybody can take that path in life
@@StryfetheWarriorI think the show made it pretty clear Johnny wasn’t intentionally lying but moreso telling it from his perspective and how he remembers it and how he was affected. It was 40 years ago and he was an over emotional teenager, ofc he isn’t gonna tell it accurately. The difference between Johnny and Daniel is that Johnny is willing to change. The whole show, Johnny has been adapting his teaching philosophy as he learns more, while Daniel has been shown evidence that Miyagi has done way more bad than he thought and yet isn’t willing to budge even a little bit because he wants to carry out the will of the man who deceived him. Obviously they’re both liars and thieves, but Johnny has always been portrayed as a flawed character who wants to grow rather than a “perfect angel” who can do no wrong like how Daniel thinks of Miyagi. The two obviously aren’t the same
Miyagi himself said that no one is perfect. Not even him. Hell Miyagi left his girl 46 years ago to avoid a fade from his best friend. I know he was a scarred 18 year old at the time and didn't want to hurt his friend. It still made Miyagi look kind of sus and a wimp. Now I love Miyagi as he is cool, wise, and a great man but he had his faults too.
Doesnt matter hes still a hypocrite not only that but we still dont know all the details. If you accuse someone of something that you yourself do your a hypocrite
Johnny did not mean what he said about Miyagi. He has shown on several occasions the respect he had for him and he knows Miyagi saved him and his friends. This was a moment of anger--and the fact Johnny didn't return the punch is proof of his growth.
Okay. I remind you, Miyagi was a humble man, he hid his past not only from Daniel but from everyone, most likely due to the fact he probably felt ASHAMED of his actions. From what I'm seeing in this comment section nobody really knows who Miyagi actually was in the Karate Kid movies... 😂😂😂 he never claimed to be a hero or saint, he always spoke humbly.
Seeing the Karate Kid universe from Johnny's POV is what makes the show so special. Even when Johnny isn't completely honest with himself, and twists the facts to soothe his ego.
It's still hypocritical for him to specifically call Miyagi a liar and a thief when he himself has done those things. It's also weird how he would do it in an insulting matter considering Miyagi has saved his life. I'm not arguing that either of them are perfect. I'm just pointing out Johnny being hypocritical about it.
@@StryfetheWarrior How is it hypocritical? It is only hypocritical if he _denies_ being those things himself, but he doesn't. It is not hypocritical to accuse others of what you yourself are, so long as you own up to it yourself.
@@StryfetheWarrioryou aren’t understanding the situation, daniel can’t comprehend that miyagi is imperfect, so johnny reminded him that miyagi is human as well and has committed mistakes, he was a liar and a thief, johnny never claims to be better than miyagi, nor does he say he has never stolen anything or lied, he’s just reminding daniel everyone is flawed.
@@StryfetheWarrior no dingus. That's not hypocritical. Miyagi also never saved his life, just saved him from some physical pain. Kreese would never have killed him lol.
I hate how Daniel thinks so stupidly about Mr. Miyagi. He’s so blind that he can’t see that he has a past and Johnny was right Johnny has more character development than Daniel has for sure if not anything has gotten worse
I likes the first 2 seasons, is the story of someone who is inherinthly violent, but is trying to focus that in something positive, is a redemption arc.
STRYFETHEWARRIOR: Yeah that is Ironic. Believe it or not I think that Johnny's more like Miyagi than even Daniel wants to admit & it's something that he's actually going to find out in parts 2 & 3.
Yeah, Miyagi was a bit cold at the beginning of KK, which is exactly how Johnny was in Ace Degenerate. Daniel knows better than anyone just how much Miyagi has helped him, but he's probably unaware of just how much he helped Mr. Miyagi too, giving him some purpose in his empty life and bringing out the good in him again
He didn't lie to Miguel about what went down. That's just the trick of perspective. Daniel thought everyone in Cobra Kai was acting in unison against him, while Johnny didn't know what was going on between Daniel and the others. And I think they were also talking about the fact that men especially teenage boys don't talk about what they're going through, that really stood out in the episode where the og Cobra Kai got together.
To be fair, Robby was also a liar and a thief at the beginning of the series. Remember the delinquents he used to hang out with? Remember how he would con people at his tech repair job? And look at him now, completely turned his life around. If he is deserving of redemption, then so is Miyagi. In fact, I’m willing to bet that Miyagi was the way he was when Daniel first met him as a way of redeeming himself
100% and a good point. Johnny and Miyagi have both come a long way too, by no means am I saying they cannot be redeemed. Just felt it was weird for Johnny to say that when he has done those things himself.
I forget which movie but Miyagi always brought up a point to Daniel that he never asks him the right/complete questions Miyagi only gives exactly what you ask from him
I don’t think he was being a hypocrite because he never said that he wasn’t a liar. He is just saying that Daniel gotta stop acting like Mr. Miyagi was some perfect man
My problem with Johnny (and the show so far) is how he absolutely refuses to ever admit fault whenever it comes to anything unrelated to Miguel and Robbie. While Daniel consistently is told he needs to be humbled by everyone in the show. Which is true, but it's just so clear Daniel was deeply wounded by Johnny and Cobra Kai. And we've seen how Johnny is horrified by the actions of younger bullies (some he created). It wouldn't kill Johnny to just once apologize to Daniel for the way he treated him.
Actually that makes sense tho Daniel only caring about his family winning and Miyagi legacy Kresse and Sliver only caring about Cobra kai winning Johnny caring about his family and his students maybe he is more like mr Miyagi
The way I saw it was more “it takes one to know one” situation. He was just trying to get Daniel open his eyes that no human is that perfect. A bad deed can’t undo all the good lessons he passed on to him.
well before this season mr myagi was an idealistic person. its just stupid the writers had to introduce this story. Mr Miyagi literally WAS a saint to daniel and to all the fans of the movies. and now it seems the writers have tainted his legacy
Johnny has never claimed to live a life of perfection. Everyone seems to attribute that to him. Miyagi always was preaching all of these lessons only after the fact.
I love all of these characters. Daniel claims to only use his karate for self defense, but the reason he created his dojo in the first place was to attack Johnny through competition. It's not a physical attack, but he took malicious action and used his skills to do so. Daniel escalated his problem with Johnny, instead of leaving well enough alone.
There's no irony, for one thing though the whole series they have been drawing parallels between Johnny and Miyagi and Johnny said this because Daniel was acting Mr Miyagi was perfect and thus they should base everything off of him, so Johnny revealed he knew about Mr Miyagi's lies
@@StryfetheWarrioryou're hypocritical if you don't recognize those very flaws in yourself. Literal meaning of hypocrisy is arguing you having the moral high ground over someone when you have done the same BUT he never tries to take the moral high ground against Miyagi, he's just putting Daniel in his place and never demonizes Miyagi. Your definition is extremely flawed
@@kaiber0390Hypocrisy: the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform. If anything Daniel is the hypocrite in this situation since he attacks Johnny out of anger despite his stance against that. Johnny has never denied being a thief nor has he claimed to never lie, he also isn't acting like he is better than Miyagi despite also being a lying thief. None of what makes someone a hypocrite is there. At most it's a low blow using information he was told in confidence.
The way he saw what happened may be a reason, but it's not exactly what happened nor is it an excuse. Like Ali said in the episode December 19th, there's 3 sides to the story: Johnny's side, Daniel's side, and the truth.
I think Johnny can’t stand that Daniel will still try to push the Miyagi Do teachings over his own, even when Daniel finds out that Mr Miyagi probably wasn’t everything he thought he was and still won’t fully except Johnnys way of teaching even when he’s seen It can be useful, It definitely shows in away that Johnny has been unknowingly following the lesson that Miyagi tried to teach Daniel “One day you teach own way”
The irony is that Johnny omitted details the night Miyagi saved Daniel from him and the Cobra Kai’s the same way Kyler omitted details the night Johnny saved Miquel from Kyler and the other bully’s. So perhaps the article they found is omitting details from what happened that night Miyagi stole a necklace and beat up a guard. There’s three sides to every story and all we know is what the article says.
Daniel probably wouldn't survive that night in 1984 if Miyagi doesn't help him to be fair Miyagi are perfect for Daniel and helped him a lot, Only Daniel Know how important Miyagi are to him.
@@ozairdurrani9679 True - Miyagi probably just bought the land in the 60's and built the house himself. (That would align with his character's character.)
It’s not that Johnny was condemning Miyagi FOR being a liar and a thief, Johnny’s saying all that because Daniel sees Miyagi in this altruistic and noble light, when really Miyagi was just as imperfect as any other person
1. The rivalry woulda still occurred because Miyagi took Daniel to Kreese’s Dojo to deal with the Cobra Kai’s bullying Daniel and Kreese took exception to that. Plus Johnny wasn’t the only one who had injuries. Had him and the rest of Cobra Kai admitted that Miyagi alone beat them up for attacking Daniel..Kreese would probably go ballistic on them. 2. Johnny wasn’t stealing for himself he was stealing to help a kid who needed surgery and he didn’t physically hurt anyone when he stole the item. 3. Daniel is more of a hypocrite because he sucker punched Johnny after stating how one shouldn’t fight in anger. That wasn’t the first time either. He struck first on the hockey players after one of them was making jokes insulting Amanda.
@@rogermaddox6134maybe but daniel did sucker punch them. Even if anyone's Answer Is "yeah but hockey guys said this or did that" Then This goes to Show that You CAN Fight with anger. It doesnt Just stop you or magically disable you. and Daniel Just didnt want Tory Winning over sam That's Johnny's Point
Miyagi wasn't an arrogant manchild stuck on the past who puts his students lives in danger. He also wouldn't squander the only stable job that will accept him purely out of generosity knowing he's financially unstable, has two boys to raise and a daughter on the way.
@@justthinking650right before miyagi even trains larusso, he wasn't any different if we properly compare them. While johnny is fighting financially instability, miyagi kind of did too, was a ww1 and ww2 veteran, and was even a drunkard.
@@elderjose9662johnny had a reason too; not only was Johnny's dad just not there for him, but he was heavily neglected by his own mother who hardly gave a shit about him, so it's natural for johnny to adopt and use the emotions/council kreese and (maybe) silver taught him
@@magnom3922 Miyagi was a drunkard sure but he was a ww2 vet who lost his wife and child in an internment camp not to mention having to leave his hometown at such a young age. He was struggling financially but he wasn't reckless to his job and is happy to live a quiet and reclusive life. Johnny was an absent father to his only son, holds on to a teenage grudge, and is jealous that his teenage rival is more successful than him despite him growing up with more money. They may have played the same role but Miyagi was more responsible and mature than Johnny will ever be.
That's the thing though, Johnny isnt _being_ a hypocrite, he's _calling out_ a hypocrite. Edit: apparently y'all are brainlets. He was calling out Daniel's hypocrisy.
@@StryfetheWarrior tbf he never condemns Miyagi for it he just says he is is a way thats completely fair as Daniel does deify Miyagi ignoring the wrong hes done
@@StryfetheWarrior I wasn't talking about Johnny calling out Miyagi. He wasn't. He was calling out DANIEL. Daniel who has continuously derided Johnny the entire show, despite Johnny and Miyagi being the same.
Johnny has to learn self control and self respect and Daniel has the harder monster which is to forgive. Because both their methods aren't teaching the kids anything but aggression.
You could say he was a thief but not a liar because as Daniel’s Sensei it is up to Mr. Miyagi to promote Daniel to black belt. It’s not written in stone how he must teach or bestow rank on his students.
Which Miyagi never did. He never once stated what Daniel was and only trained him for like a month. If Miyagi hinted at or stated where Daniel was before then I’ll give it to you but Miyagi never once said Daniel was a black belt until after being told he needed to be a black belt to enter the competition. Plus the lie both Allie and Miyagi did to allow them to go together with Daniel (he doesn’t speak English) Miyagi going along with it is still lying.
@@SackiriYeah. He had his own narrative to tell miguel regarding karate kid 1 and omiited many parts of the story. That's worst than pretending to be a good guy
Noriyoshi Miyagi never admitted to being perfect. Everyone just assumes he was. How the hell do they think he got so much good advice and insight to pass on if he didn't have a skeleton or two in his closet?
That's simply being a human, omitting ugly facts thay would paint us as the bad guy to othrr people had been in our nature throughout the centuries, and that's what makes johnny a relatable human being.
Had Johnny not been influenced by Kreese, nothing would have happened. Kreese's bad lessons along with the bad timing of these two meeting each other was what caused all the rest.
@@stixoimatizontas Yeah there is bad luck and bad Johnny and Daniel had no real reason to hate each other. But Daniel definitely started some fights but never admit or tell anything about that.
Speaking of omitting... The fight originally started when Daniel LaRusso decided to escalate things by turning a water hose on Johnny when he was rolling up a joint.
@@chriscolombie4135 no he bullied him before school started and his buddy tripped him in soccer, then like 2 months passed before that water hose thing
given what we know about the different name miyagi had, i think it's best she returns as she likely has the context to why miyagi had a different name.
I hated how they had to write in about Mr. Miyagi being a bad person. There are other ways to make the show interesting. But I agree with you that Johnny is a liar and a hypocrite. Johnny actually isn't a perfect little angel like most people think he is.
The entire show is just being hypocritical, Daniel let his past and feelings affect how he wanted to view cobra Kai and didn't give johny or Miguel a true chance that's what kicked started all of this, and that's one of the lessons he was taught basically throughout the OG karate Kid
The real irony is Daniel punching Johnny after glazing Mr Miyagi about his peace and defence bs. But even after that Johnny took it like a man and didn’t retaliate. And when Daniel clearly says he’s going to stop being a sense after the sekai tekai, he still doesn’t let Johnny have his moment with teaching the kids.Daniel is the one true hypocrite
@@StryfetheWarrior How about I handle my job by taking you out irl. I don't go by opinions, Only facts. If you knew whats good for you you'd pipe down.
Miyagi wasn't perfect, he wasn't a god, but he was a good man that learnt from his mistake. Johnny took what Amanda gave him in private and then used it as ammunition, all whilst dismissing the fact his teachers Kreese and Stingray were also liars and cheats. Daniel's Miyagi worships blinds him to what's right in front of him, but Johnny annoys me how he thinks one crime from Miyagi seems outweighs the 20 wrongs from his side.
He never told Miguel or anyone he was wrong and lied he is still delusional that Daniel Larusso was the villain of the story. And twisted Miguel's perspective on the Larusso family to the point Daniel himself had to explain too Miguel what truly happened and to this day he hasn't admitted.
How is he an open book when he didn't tell the complete story to miguel and twisted the story to his own narrative to make himself sound like a good guy.
Actually, Daniel is the hypocrite. Johnny has always been authentic and rough around the edges but owns it. There is NO such thing as a perfect person, impossible standards for miyagi who Daniel repeatedly puts on a pedestal and fails to live up to the expectations.
I did say Daniel put Miyagi on a pedestal. But Johnny is still a hypocrite for saying Miyagi was a liar and a thief, because he is also a liar and a thief. Sure, he has owned up to his flaws but it took Ali coming into the picture to confirm he was lying about how some of the events started. Miyagi, Daniel, and Johnny are all flawed which is ok to say. Nothing wrong with that.
What will we find out about Miyagi in Season 6 Part 2?
They might time travel back to when miyagi was alive and daniel chozen and amanda would find out what happened
@@StryfetheWarrior maybe Daniel will ask to who ever is in charge of the event of sekai takai if he knows anything about Mr Miyagi and the hoster will reveal there was a very bloody and violent fight beetween Mr Miyagi and Kim Sung Young and we find out that Kim injured Sato and thats why sati hated him. The hoster reveals that his father was the one that saw the fight happen, and that his father talked about it being a battle of the best defense vs the best offense he had ever seen. Winner being Miyagi, both close to death.
Johnny telling the whole story would've just made it worse for Daniel. Daniel always instigated then played the "victim" card in typical jew fashion when it came time to face the consequences. The idea that Johnny was the bully got debunked back in 2009 then again in 2015. This is 2024. Catch up.
I think we’ll find out miyagi was an okonowan drug lord
@@D.Darkcasterthey would have to make cobra more fictional in order for them to time travel. Cobra kai pretty grounded.
I think the more ironic thing in that scene was daniel saying "we don't each these kids to fight with anger" a few seconds later he sucker punches johnny out of anger
That's so true as he struck Johnny's face first
I guess they're both human after all. Johny's a liar and a thief, and after all these years, Daniel is still a hot head.
Also a call back to the beach in karate kid 1
"Miyagi HATE fighting. Miyagi always afraid when fighting. "@Shou_Han
That's because johnny insulted mr miyagi. He had it coming. What if someone called his ma a hㅇre who maried a sugar dㅂdy. How would he react.
Funny thing is every time Johnny and Daniel turn a new leaf they still find ways to beef wit eachother.
At this time is their hobby😅😅
@@3173alejandramartz fr thou.
That's the WHOLE show. Everytime someone starts to get along a leaf falls and they get pissy again.
They are the most toxic couple ever and they KEEP GETTING BACK TOGETHER
Danny is a jerk, so yeah.
They gonna find out Mr. Miyagi was a bad boy like Johnny
Well he did kinda steal sato's girl in okinawa lol.
@@Banthisyoutube-zs6sx "MIYAGIIIII. WEEE,FIIIGHT,TONIIIIIIGHT!!"
Probably was a sorta troublemaker when he was younger but still had a good heart. Then later he grew up and matured in his older age and when he met Daniel he probably saw a lot of the hot head tendencies that Daniel had and related to him. He probably saw that in Johnny too which is why if he saw Johnny now he’d be proud of Johnny joining miyagi do and maturing. I think that’s how Johnny and Daniel will fix things between them when Daniel realizes that miyagi isn’t so different from the both of them and is human
@coreym2971 great comment.
More like Chozen
Johnny wasn’t being a hypocrite. He was just reminding Daniel that Miyagi wasn’t as perfect as he thought he was.
Yeah, but Amanda told him that in confidence because she trusts him. She didn't tell Johnny that so he could throw it in Daniel's face during an argument. Johnny said that to hurt him, because he was angry
Yes he was being a hypocrite just because Miyagi had a dark moment in his past. Which for the record we don't know the full story regarding what happened. It doesn't change the core of Miyagi's character from the four films. Johnny agreed to do the teaching of Miyagi-Do Karate but he's been fighting against the teaching of Daniel's style. He went from saying that he would follow the teaching of Miyagi-Do to confessing to Daniel. That in reality he has no interest in it so at Johnny's core he's a Cobra Kai.
@@manoftomorrow79he wasn’t necessarily being a hypocrite he is right no one is perfect and he kinda was a liar and a thief Johnny wasn’t tryna say that he is perfect but he said that no one is basically
@@manoftomorrow79do you know what hypocrite means
@@OminousAFK Yes, it's to do or morally think a certain way only to do the exact opposite of what you claim to live by. Let's take Johnny for example by the end of episode one Johnny agreed to have the dojo's name be Miyagi-Do he even said it himself that Mr. Miyagi's legacy should be followed. By the end of episode 5 Johnny trash-talked Miyagi's memory and said to Daniel that he had no interest Miyagi's teachings even when Johnny was at Larusso Auto. When things didn't go his way his first instinct was to quit the job he was blessed with and start up his own dealership by stealing cars from Daniel's car lot. When Daniel learned that Tory's mother died he wanted to handle the matter privately so to not make it a scene in front of everyone. Then after Tory blurts it out Johnny insisted that Tory still fight when she clearly wasn't in the right state of mind mentally to fight and could seriously hurt Sam during the match. The problem with Johnny is he goes against what he claims to follow (hypocrite), he's immature, and he doesn't know how to compromise with others.
Johnny keeps forgetting it was Miyagi who more or less saved his Life. If it wasn't for Miyagi, Kreese would've choked Johnny to Death.
Thank you
Johnny, hasn’t forgot about what Mr.Miyagi did for him. He has referenced and even said things about him.
I don’t think he’d have killed Johnny. But yeah he was saved from further trauma by Miyagi.
@@Prince_Luci Well, that one Episode in Season 6, where Kreese is in that Cave, kinda proofes what Kreese might've done...
Okay let me stop your ass right there if it wasn't for Daniel lorusso bring in the New Jersey attitude all the way to California not even realizing hey John is acting kind of crazy hey Johnny can I talk to you for a second brother I'm not trying to take your girl I'm just trying to get to know her I'm new here you know what I'm saying like literally there was no conversation going on whatsoever and then here it is Mr miyagi was the first person to beat the s*** out of a bunch of kids he should have been in jail then he stole somebody's black belt for Ralph macchio AKA Daniel larusso to come into a karate tournament that he had no that he had no right coming into because hello in order to come into a karate tournament you have to be a School notable of being able to be in the tournament then Mr miyagi stole somebody else's black belt gave it to Daniel larusso who was illegally signed into the tournament and oh got him to beat the hell out of a bunch of kids that he had no no business fighting anyway as well as he showed him how to do an illegal kick to the face when mind you anybody who's a white belt should not be kicking above the waist level to kick somebody in the face that would have been an automatic disqualify. So if by any chance he had not even been there Johnny Johnny probably would have won the tournament and he probably wouldn't have got the s*** choked out of him bought his master Kreese who of course one Johnny lied to and also without the omission or lie to John creese there wouldn't have been all that b*******
Imagine being bullied and a hero appears in your life who saves you, gives you a car, helps you become a better man mentally, Daniel rightly respects Miyagi a lot he's like a Father to him.
Daniel cause the halloween fight! Daniel wet him up with a hose while he was smoking. If he would gotten an adult, the adult would have handle it and possibly Daniel wouldn’t gotten caught
@@whiteranger79 you forget Johnny destroyed Daniel Bike and body before the Halloween party and I'm not sure if the other adults would have handled that situation.
@@whiteranger79oh what a bully. He got Johnny wet. At least he didn't push him down a cliff on a bike. But keep glazing Johnny's pretty face.
@@whiteranger79Daniel started the fight at the Halloween dance. Johnny went insanely too far (either killed him or severely injured Daniel had he landed that kick).
Both can be true at the same time.
@@whiteranger79no Johnny was a bully. If he hadn't been harassing Daniel none of this would have happened in fact. Johnny pushed him down a hill. In the scene after in Karate Kid 1 Daniel says to Mr. Miyagi that hes getting his ass kicked "every other day". In the scene where Mr. Miyagi is treating Daniel after he first intervened.
Daniel repeated the same thing to miguel that Johnny and his gang were beating him every other day.
Sorry its Johnny's fault for being a class A douchebag. 😊
Dont buy into the lie Johnny told about "not seeing Larusso for months"
Daniel's black eye had healed by the time he was thrown down the hill.
At the end of the day it goes dark but at the end of the night it goes bright.
Every 60 seconds a minute passes in Africa
@anmolalva5991yes
Sugar is sweet
@@Alastordadeer salt is salty
@@KadenPritchard-lv9eq is water wet tho?
The difference is that Johnny doesn't pretend to be a saint.
Did Mr. Miyagi pretend to be a saint?
Nah, I don't think so. He's just an old man. He get enough of his past life.
He just want to life the rest of his live peacefully.
The problem is not with people being just people. The problem is when others put them on a pedestal and use them to control how orher people should live
Neither does Mr miyagi it's all Daniel larusso's delusions
@@benyaminobedsigarlaki2316 ya he didnt but daniel makes him look like saint with his delusional acts
@@aganbraganca4156 it's different case, the TS said about "pretend to be a saint". Not "treated as a saint".
Not to mention Miyagi going out of his way to save Johnny from Kreese.
This seems to get looked over often.
For real especially by Johnny.
Fr, idk if the writers forgot abt it or Johnny is just some prideful ass
@@justthinking650 Definitely a prideful ass 😂 Daniel mentioned it in an earlier season.
why would he watch a grown man choke out a teenager and do nothing 😭
@@ajjackson7507 except he didn't do nothing when he could've but I guess it would be too much to ask of Johnny to atleast acknowledge that.
One of the greatest aspects of Cobra Kai is that it highlights the differences in perspective and how we perceive the moments that shaped us.
Mr. Miyagi not only was a World War II hero and the recipient of the metal honor. He was a grand master in karate, but he was also a complicated man, but when he saw Daniel for the first time, he recognized something in him, he reminded him of himself when he was a young boy That’s why I Miyagi son Todd, Daniel karate but also the way of life that’s why Daniel has him on a pedestal because to him/ Miyagi son was his true father
I think Johnny and Mr Miyagi are very similar, and Johnny is more like Miyagi than Daniel
Bruh, you really think mr miyagi would tell someone to fight to the finish while they're grieving ?
Yes,if she wanna fight then she can fight@moseslalmuanpuia8988
Johnny's nothing like miyagi
@@SFL_Darth_Lawrence "Afraid facts mixed up. Miyagi and Daniel San alike."
@@moseslalmuanpuia8988if they needed it? Yes.
Honestly one of the core messages of this show is that no one is perfect and everyone will have their flaws but it's up to those people to correct them that's why people like it so much
I'd say the core message is the destructive power of holding grudges.
“Miyagi come out you coward” 😂😂 …sato had one of the best lines the franchise.
The thing is Johnny has consistently stayed true to his character the whole time but learning the truth about miyagi changed your whole perception of him
Mr miyagi was true to who he was and what he taught daniel
It didn’t change my perspective at all, in fact it makes miyagi feel more human than ever, I feel like now with this info that once you look back at the og films that you gain more motivation from miyagi in the sense that if a “bad guy” can end up becoming the kind, gentle, wise and father like figure that is miyagi then why can’t I also become a better person
dude miyagi never pretend to be a saint, remember he was a solider, he does kill people before and also was a drunk
To everybody saying Miyagi didn't hide anything: remember he litterally had a box with his crimes in it XD
It’s true to a lot of real-life karate masters. Mas Oyama used to beat up US military police, and Motabu Choki would visit red-light districts to pick fights. Funakoshi wrote that his own masters did many wild, heroic things in their youth, but were ashamed of them in later life, dismissing them as the impetuousness of youth. Chojun Miyagi, funnily enough, seems to have been milder, but who knows what he got up to while training in China.
I'm just glad they kept the original actors.
Mr Miyagi never claimed to be perfect, but Daniel has claimed it several TIMES. Mr.Miyagi was a thief, but he was never a liar in the first place. Johnny stepped out of line saying that, but Daniel needs to also understand that Mr.Miyagi isn’t perfect and that he has done bad things.
Yep! Daniel put him on a pedestal. Johnny though still stole, and is a thief in my opinion. But I'm ok with saying all 3 of those characters are flawed; that's what makes them human.
@@StryfetheWarrior that doesn’t make him a hypocrite though. Johnny never pretended that he didn’t steal or lie. A hypocrite pretends to have virtues that they don’t. So I’d be a hypocrite if I lectured you for oversleeping, but I myself overslept.
Is omitting a form or lying? Because that makes Miyagi an omitter
If we’re including omission as a way of lying, then Miyagi was a liar too. He completely omitted parts of Miyagi-do that didn’t fit the “defense only” motto.
And the trailer for season six has teased that he was hiding secrets in that very dojo too.
What did Miyagi stole? Sorry i stopped watching the show at season 4
Honestly Miyagi was probably like Johnny once. The main thing is when we saw Miyagis captains headband in the end with blood on it. I'm firmly believing that Mr. Miyagi never trained Daniel in the more aggresive and combative forms of Miyagi-Do, because during his Sekai Takai, he killed an opponent during a match. Whether by accident or intent i think well find out.
I still have a feeling that in the Sekai Takai will basically have a bunch of MORTAL KOMBAT-style fight scenes
@@sgdklnptihygoh7747most probably.
Maybe a flashback onto who miyagi killed
Johnny has a long list of crimes and misdemeanors, including murder attempt, gang assault, personal injury, DUI, trespassing, property damage
And so did Mr miyagi
@@magnom3922 we don’t know that for sure yet
That's the exact kind of guy that Christ uses, after he humbles them completely.
Johnny doesn't say he himself is perfect he's just calling out that mr miyagi had flaws to daniel who keeps acts like mr miyagi was an all good angel
There's a difference between telling someone their faults and insulting them. Johny completely did the latter here.
when Daniel met miyagi he wasn't like that... whatever happened with miyagi was when he was younger... yall act like miyagi wasn't a changed man when he got older and wise... anybody can take that path in life
Right, but Johnny has omitted information and it took Ali coming in to prove that. I love Johnny, but he has his flaws too.
@@StryfetheWarriorI think the show made it pretty clear Johnny wasn’t intentionally lying but moreso telling it from his perspective and how he remembers it and how he was affected. It was 40 years ago and he was an over emotional teenager, ofc he isn’t gonna tell it accurately. The difference between Johnny and Daniel is that Johnny is willing to change. The whole show, Johnny has been adapting his teaching philosophy as he learns more, while Daniel has been shown evidence that Miyagi has done way more bad than he thought and yet isn’t willing to budge even a little bit because he wants to carry out the will of the man who deceived him. Obviously they’re both liars and thieves, but Johnny has always been portrayed as a flawed character who wants to grow rather than a “perfect angel” who can do no wrong like how Daniel thinks of Miyagi. The two obviously aren’t the same
Miyagi himself said that no one is perfect. Not even him. Hell Miyagi left his girl 46 years ago to avoid a fade from his best friend. I know he was a scarred 18 year old at the time and didn't want to hurt his friend. It still made Miyagi look kind of sus and a wimp. Now I love Miyagi as he is cool, wise, and a great man but he had his faults too.
Mr. Miyagi gets Me Too’d lol
Daniel got anger problems he was just tryna fight Johnny in season 5!
Yeah but Johnny isn’t a proclaimed “hero” like Miyagi is
Doesnt matter hes still a hypocrite not only that but we still dont know all the details.
If you accuse someone of something that you yourself do your a hypocrite
Miyagi also saved Johnny's life, yet he never once even mentioned that
Johnny is a proclaimed hero by the students that joined cobra Kai originally. It’s more nuanced than that sure, but its still there.
@justthinking650 You're right. Its kind of funny, Daniel need to remind him his sensei save his sorry ass in Season 3.
@@justthinking650 I never felt Kreese was actually trying to kill Johnny.
2035;
The grittier version of this story.
The Karate Warriors
Oh I hope not.
That was the point though. Johnny and Miyagi would both do absolutely anything for their kids.
Johnny did not mean what he said about Miyagi. He has shown on several occasions the respect he had for him and he knows Miyagi saved him and his friends. This was a moment of anger--and the fact Johnny didn't return the punch is proof of his growth.
This whole show is the same plot on repeat. Everytime someone starts to get along a leaf falls and they get pissy and start fighting.
So basically Johnny Lawrence is more of a Mr. Miyagi than Daniel Larusso
I know, right?
Johnny knows who he is and acknowledges it, and at his core he has a good heart.
Okay. I remind you, Miyagi was a humble man, he hid his past not only from Daniel but from everyone, most likely due to the fact he probably felt ASHAMED of his actions. From what I'm seeing in this comment section nobody really knows who Miyagi actually was in the Karate Kid movies... 😂😂😂 he never claimed to be a hero or saint, he always spoke humbly.
Bro just told him to stop glazing mr miyagi 😭🙏🏾
Johnny brought that up because he was so tired of hearing that name. Daniel always talked about him like he was perfect.
Seeing the Karate Kid universe from Johnny's POV is what makes the show so special. Even when Johnny isn't completely honest with himself, and twists the facts to soothe his ego.
He wasn’t lying we just saw what happened in his pov the reason we thought he was lying was cuz we only know it from Daniel’s pov
the show is about people being imperfect and how things look from different perspectives.
Johnny never claimed to be a saint. He just pointed out that Miyagi wasn't a saint _either._
It's still hypocritical for him to specifically call Miyagi a liar and a thief when he himself has done those things. It's also weird how he would do it in an insulting matter considering Miyagi has saved his life.
I'm not arguing that either of them are perfect. I'm just pointing out Johnny being hypocritical about it.
@@StryfetheWarrior How is it hypocritical? It is only hypocritical if he _denies_ being those things himself, but he doesn't. It is not hypocritical to accuse others of what you yourself are, so long as you own up to it yourself.
@@StryfetheWarrior More like the pot calling the kettle black. But I get the jist.
@@StryfetheWarrioryou aren’t understanding the situation, daniel can’t comprehend that miyagi is imperfect, so johnny reminded him that miyagi is human as well and has committed mistakes, he was a liar and a thief, johnny never claims to be better than miyagi, nor does he say he has never stolen anything or lied, he’s just reminding daniel everyone is flawed.
@@StryfetheWarrior no dingus. That's not hypocritical. Miyagi also never saved his life, just saved him from some physical pain. Kreese would never have killed him lol.
Thats funny that the RIVAL for his student is more like him than his actual student.
I hate how Daniel thinks so stupidly about Mr. Miyagi. He’s so blind that he can’t see that he has a past and Johnny was right Johnny has more character development than Daniel has for sure if not anything has gotten worse
I likes the first 2 seasons, is the story of someone who is inherinthly violent, but is trying to focus that in something positive, is a redemption arc.
STRYFETHEWARRIOR: Yeah that is Ironic. Believe it or not I think that Johnny's more like Miyagi than even Daniel wants to admit & it's something that he's actually going to find out in parts 2 & 3.
Fr
Exactly 💯
@@TomE.V. I know right
Yeah, Miyagi was a bit cold at the beginning of KK, which is exactly how Johnny was in Ace Degenerate. Daniel knows better than anyone just how much Miyagi has helped him, but he's probably unaware of just how much he helped Mr. Miyagi too, giving him some purpose in his empty life and bringing out the good in him again
@@flipthescript-karatekid fr
He didn't lie to Miguel about what went down. That's just the trick of perspective. Daniel thought everyone in Cobra Kai was acting in unison against him, while Johnny didn't know what was going on between Daniel and the others. And I think they were also talking about the fact that men especially teenage boys don't talk about what they're going through, that really stood out in the episode where the og Cobra Kai got together.
To be fair, Robby was also a liar and a thief at the beginning of the series. Remember the delinquents he used to hang out with? Remember how he would con people at his tech repair job? And look at him now, completely turned his life around. If he is deserving of redemption, then so is Miyagi. In fact, I’m willing to bet that Miyagi was the way he was when Daniel first met him as a way of redeeming himself
100% and a good point. Johnny and Miyagi have both come a long way too, by no means am I saying they cannot be redeemed. Just felt it was weird for Johnny to say that when he has done those things himself.
@@StryfetheWarriorIt Was more of the heat of things with Daniel.
When He said it.
I Dont Think Johnny Feels that way about miyagi
@@StryfetheWarriorHow was miyagi a thief, didn't hid for 30 years then blame all his problems on one man.
Remember when Miyagi was teaching Daniel to punch and said he punches like a girl? A very Johnny thing to say.
I can still see Pat Morita's face when he said this. RIP😢
Miyagi was def a dif guy when younger 😂
I forget which movie but Miyagi always brought up a point to Daniel that he never asks him the right/complete questions
Miyagi only gives exactly what you ask from him
The writers are messing with everyone and will pull a surprise twist regarding Miyagi san.
I don’t think he was being a hypocrite because he never said that he wasn’t a liar. He is just saying that Daniel gotta stop acting like Mr. Miyagi was some perfect man
My problem with Johnny (and the show so far) is how he absolutely refuses to ever admit fault whenever it comes to anything unrelated to Miguel and Robbie. While Daniel consistently is told he needs to be humbled by everyone in the show. Which is true, but it's just so clear Daniel was deeply wounded by Johnny and Cobra Kai. And we've seen how Johnny is horrified by the actions of younger bullies (some he created). It wouldn't kill Johnny to just once apologize to Daniel for the way he treated him.
Actually that makes sense tho
Daniel only caring about his family winning and Miyagi legacy
Kresse and Sliver only caring about Cobra kai winning
Johnny caring about his family and his students maybe he is more like mr Miyagi
The way I saw it was more “it takes one to know one” situation. He was just trying to get Daniel open his eyes that no human is that perfect. A bad deed can’t undo all the good lessons he passed on to him.
Johnny doesn't see himself as better than Miyagi, he was striking down the idealistic version of Miyagi that Daniel has created.
well before this season mr myagi was an idealistic person. its just stupid the writers had to introduce this story.
Mr Miyagi literally WAS a saint to daniel and to all the fans of the movies. and now it seems the writers have tainted his legacy
Johnny has never claimed to live a life of perfection. Everyone seems to attribute that to him. Miyagi always was preaching all of these lessons only after the fact.
Yes, but if you can't bestow wisdom from experience, but have to let others make the same mistakes as you, you're not being responsible.
I dont think Johnny lied, i just think that he saw the entire situation differently then how it actually happened
I love all of these characters. Daniel claims to only use his karate for self defense, but the reason he created his dojo in the first place was to attack Johnny through competition. It's not a physical attack, but he took malicious action and used his skills to do so. Daniel escalated his problem with Johnny, instead of leaving well enough alone.
There's no irony, for one thing though the whole series they have been drawing parallels between Johnny and Miyagi and Johnny said this because Daniel was acting Mr Miyagi was perfect and thus they should base everything off of him, so Johnny revealed he knew about Mr Miyagi's lies
If you call someone a liar and a thief, when you yourself have done those things, that is being hypocritical.
@@StryfetheWarrioryou're hypocritical if you don't recognize those very flaws in yourself. Literal meaning of hypocrisy is arguing you having the moral high ground over someone when you have done the same BUT he never tries to take the moral high ground against Miyagi, he's just putting Daniel in his place and never demonizes Miyagi. Your definition is extremely flawed
@@kaiber0390Hypocrisy: the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform. If anything Daniel is the hypocrite in this situation since he attacks Johnny out of anger despite his stance against that. Johnny has never denied being a thief nor has he claimed to never lie, he also isn't acting like he is better than Miyagi despite also being a lying thief. None of what makes someone a hypocrite is there. At most it's a low blow using information he was told in confidence.
@@mr.protagonist5639 Johnny provoked daniel by insulting mr miyagi. He had it coming.
@@kaiber0390 Bruh he insulted mr miyagi, when he's far worst than him. That's petty hypocrisy
I think that Johnny ommiting info is more about the way he truly saw it. He didn't think he was the bully, he thought Daniel was.
The way he saw what happened may be a reason, but it's not exactly what happened nor is it an excuse. Like Ali said in the episode December 19th, there's 3 sides to the story: Johnny's side, Daniel's side, and the truth.
I think Johnny can’t stand that Daniel will still try to push the Miyagi Do teachings over his own, even when Daniel finds out that Mr Miyagi probably wasn’t everything he thought he was and still won’t fully except Johnnys way of teaching even when he’s seen It can be useful, It definitely shows in away that Johnny has been unknowingly following the lesson that Miyagi tried to teach Daniel “One day you teach own way”
Johnny is more a guy who only sees things from one angle and "remembers'' only the facts that make him seem in the right not an outright liar.
Ironic maybe, but not hypocritical. Johnny knows he's flawed and reminds Daniel that Mr. Miyagi can be as well
Still hypocrisy though. Miyagi never claimed to be perfect either.
There's a difference between telling someone their flaws and insulting them. Johny straight up did the latter here.
@@StryfetheWarriorMr.Miyagi never claimed to be perfect, but Daniel claimed it.
@@TastyWxffles And johnny should have told daniel that mr miyagu wasn't perfect without resorting to insults
@@moseslalmuanpuia8988 Yes I know that, Mr.Miyagi WAS a thief, but Mr Miyagi was never a liar in the first place. I do agree Johnny went overboard.
The irony is that Johnny omitted details the night Miyagi saved Daniel from him and the Cobra Kai’s the same way Kyler omitted details the night Johnny saved Miquel from Kyler and the other bully’s. So perhaps the article they found is omitting details from what happened that night Miyagi stole a necklace and beat up a guard. There’s three sides to every story and all we know is what the article says.
Daniel probably wouldn't survive that night in 1984 if Miyagi doesn't help him to be fair Miyagi are perfect for Daniel and helped him a lot, Only Daniel Know how important Miyagi are to him.
That jewelry Miyagi stole must've been worth a lot of money for him to buy that house and all those cars on a handyman's wages.
We don't know the full story yet
@fijiunlimited4503 a possibility twist can be that Miyagi took the fall for dude's grandfather and changed his name to avoid jail,hence leaving.
@@YChromosome99my theory is he stole it because maybe it was a jewelry that had something do with his lover or someone important
Mr. Miyagi must have built it himself?
@@ozairdurrani9679 True - Miyagi probably just bought the land in the 60's and built the house himself. (That would align with his character's character.)
It’s not that Johnny was condemning Miyagi FOR being a liar and a thief, Johnny’s saying all that because Daniel sees Miyagi in this altruistic and noble light, when really Miyagi was just as imperfect as any other person
1. The rivalry woulda still occurred because Miyagi took Daniel to Kreese’s Dojo to deal with the Cobra Kai’s bullying Daniel and Kreese took exception to that. Plus Johnny wasn’t the only one who had injuries. Had him and the rest of Cobra Kai admitted that Miyagi alone beat them up for attacking Daniel..Kreese would probably go ballistic on them.
2. Johnny wasn’t stealing for himself he was stealing to help a kid who needed surgery and he didn’t physically hurt anyone when he stole the item.
3. Daniel is more of a hypocrite because he sucker punched Johnny after stating how one shouldn’t fight in anger. That wasn’t the first time either. He struck first on the hockey players after one of them was making jokes insulting Amanda.
TBF, I couldn’t help but cheer when those hockey players got their comeuppance.
@@rogermaddox6134maybe but daniel did sucker punch them.
Even if anyone's Answer Is "yeah but hockey guys said this or did that"
Then This goes to Show that You CAN Fight with anger. It doesnt Just stop you or magically disable you. and Daniel Just didnt want Tory Winning over sam
That's Johnny's Point
@@housesavagemafia7504but Daniel said you shouldn't, not that you can't.
Miyagi stole a black belt, Satos potential wife, and who knows what else.
Johnny is more like Mr. Miyagi then Daniel was!
no he is not, miyagi was like that for a real reason, johny just play the victim
Miyagi wasn't an arrogant manchild stuck on the past who puts his students lives in danger. He also wouldn't squander the only stable job that will accept him purely out of generosity knowing he's financially unstable, has two boys to raise and a daughter on the way.
@@justthinking650right before miyagi even trains larusso, he wasn't any different if we properly compare them.
While johnny is fighting financially instability, miyagi kind of did too, was a ww1 and ww2 veteran, and was even a drunkard.
@@elderjose9662johnny had a reason too; not only was Johnny's dad just not there for him, but he was heavily neglected by his own mother who hardly gave a shit about him, so it's natural for johnny to adopt and use the emotions/council kreese and (maybe) silver taught him
@@magnom3922 Miyagi was a drunkard sure but he was a ww2 vet who lost his wife and child in an internment camp not to mention having to leave his hometown at such a young age. He was struggling financially but he wasn't reckless to his job and is happy to live a quiet and reclusive life. Johnny was an absent father to his only son, holds on to a teenage grudge, and is jealous that his teenage rival is more successful than him despite him growing up with more money. They may have played the same role but Miyagi was more responsible and mature than Johnny will ever be.
Johnny lied as a teenager holy shit
Him calling Jonny a Hypocrite
Jonny :what did you just call me 😡
That's the thing though, Johnny isnt _being_ a hypocrite, he's _calling out_ a hypocrite.
Edit: apparently y'all are brainlets. He was calling out Daniel's hypocrisy.
Can’t it be both?
he didn't even get the full details to call out a hypocrite
Johnny has done those same things though, so isn't that hypocritical for him to call Miyagi a liar and a thief?
@@StryfetheWarrior tbf he never condemns Miyagi for it he just says he is is a way thats completely fair as Daniel does deify Miyagi ignoring the wrong hes done
@@StryfetheWarrior I wasn't talking about Johnny calling out Miyagi. He wasn't. He was calling out DANIEL. Daniel who has continuously derided Johnny the entire show, despite Johnny and Miyagi being the same.
Daniel need to accept that Johnny is the Mr Miyagi of their generation
I don't think so. I think both characters are highly irresponsible with authority, and each has to learn from the other.
Johnny has to learn self control and self respect and Daniel has the harder monster which is to forgive. Because both their methods aren't teaching the kids anything but aggression.
Anyone who watched the first movie already knew Miyagi was a liar and thief lol He stole a black belt and lied that Daniel was a black belt 🤣
He did steal the belt, but he didn’t necessarily lie about Daniel being a black belt. With some dojos your rank is what your Sensei says it is.
You could say he was a thief but not a liar because as Daniel’s Sensei it is up to Mr. Miyagi to promote Daniel to black belt. It’s not written in stone how he must teach or bestow rank on his students.
Which Miyagi never did. He never once stated what Daniel was and only trained him for like a month. If Miyagi hinted at or stated where Daniel was before then I’ll give it to you but Miyagi never once said Daniel was a black belt until after being told he needed to be a black belt to enter the competition. Plus the lie both Allie and Miyagi did to allow them to go together with Daniel (he doesn’t speak English) Miyagi going along with it is still lying.
I think its more about the fact that Daniel thinks he can do no wrong.
That is a god damn fact
Not a hypocrite be cause he never claimed to be a good person and accepts that throughout the show
@@Sackiri But he never owned up to them. To his lying and his thievery
@@SackiriYeah. He had his own narrative to tell miguel regarding karate kid 1 and omiited many parts of the story. That's worst than pretending to be a good guy
It's kind of amazing how many parallels there are between Johnny and Miyagi when you really think about it.
Noriyoshi Miyagi never admitted to being perfect. Everyone just assumes he was. How the hell do they think he got so much good advice and insight to pass on if he didn't have a skeleton or two in his closet?
yep
100%
Tyler Zed really gotta talk to his Dad about these things.
Johnny stole money from a rich jerk to pay for a kids surgery, that’s not the same as Mr Miyagi stealing jewelry from a store for himself.
If I’m being honest I feel like there might be some other reason to steal the necklace which they will talk about in the future
@@arafhamid1785 maybe 🤔
That's simply being a human, omitting ugly facts thay would paint us as the bad guy to othrr people had been in our nature throughout the centuries, and that's what makes johnny a relatable human being.
Wasn't ironic miyagi was a master and he jumped them after Daniel fucked with them lol.
"Five to one problem, too much ask anyone."
you can't jump ppl if you are by yourself against 5... that sounds stupid
Actually he didn’t jump them. He stood in front of Daniel and they tried to attack Miyagi because of that.
This clip does forget that Daniel started the fight at the Halloween party. Johnny had moved on.
Didn't the Halloween fight started because Daniel provoked Johnny ? You know like on the beach when he struck first 3 times.
Had Johnny not been influenced by Kreese, nothing would have happened. Kreese's bad lessons along with the bad timing of these two meeting each other was what caused all the rest.
@@stixoimatizontas Yeah there is bad luck and bad Johnny and Daniel had no real reason to hate each other.
But Daniel definitely started some fights but never admit or tell anything about that.
Daniel did start the Halloween fight, but Johnny overall started the rivalry because of his inability to move on past Ali.
@@StryfetheWarrior Sure that played a part but Daniel wanted to fight on the beach. This was a mistake.
No, Johnny struck first by shoving Daniel to the ground. You need to watch the movie again.
I still see mr miyagi as the wise karate teacher and I also think mr miyagi had the same reason to steal like Johnny did when he stole from sid
Speaking of omitting... The fight originally started when Daniel LaRusso decided to escalate things by turning a water hose on Johnny when he was rolling up a joint.
It was said that Johnny bullied him every other day but Johnny omitted it, so what he wet him up a little, Johnny almost killed him
@@chriscolombie4135 no he bullied him before school started and his buddy tripped him in soccer, then like 2 months passed before that water hose thing
@@josealvarado276Don’t forget Johnny and his friends pushed Daniel down a hill when he was riding his bike home.
I think Johnny is fully aware of his past sins and wasn't trying to degrade Miyagi. He was just humanizing him, as he rightly shouldve been.
Julie Pierce will return!
I'd be more hyped if Nate appeared.
given what we know about the different name miyagi had, i think it's best she returns as she likely has the context to why miyagi had a different name.
Hope so
“Daniel-San, new lesson! Stroke Eggroll with feet!”
Yeah but we know Johnny is flawed, even he knows it.
Still hypocrisy though. Miyagi never claimed to be perfect either.
@@StryfetheWarriorI mean yeah, but Daniel does. Johnny doesn't claim to be perfect, nor does Miyagi, but Daniel does claim Miyagi is perfect.
@@darth_vedant669Yeah I remember that scene where Daniel was teaching that Miyagi was the most perfect person on earth with ZERO flaws. Great scene.
@@darth_vedant669well like miyagi, johnny also hid and omitted many of his bad parts of karate kid 1 to miguel.
@@StryfetheWarriorDaniel does
Funny thing is people Can change and possible mature due to it
I hated how they had to write in about Mr. Miyagi being a bad person. There are other ways to make the show interesting. But I agree with you that Johnny is a liar and a hypocrite.
Johnny actually isn't a perfect little angel like most people think he is.
The entire show is just being hypocritical, Daniel let his past and feelings affect how he wanted to view cobra Kai and didn't give johny or Miguel a true chance that's what kicked started all of this, and that's one of the lessons he was taught basically throughout the OG karate Kid
The real irony is Daniel punching Johnny after glazing Mr Miyagi about his peace and defence bs. But even after that Johnny took it like a man and didn’t retaliate. And when Daniel clearly says he’s going to stop being a sense after the sekai tekai, he still doesn’t let Johnny have his moment with teaching the kids.Daniel is the one true hypocrite
Guys. Even uncle Iroh had a complicated past. We still like him and think highly of him
it aint ironic tho, rendering this part pointless.
"Because I say so" 🤓☝
That's your opinion. Just like this is mine, and it was enough to make you comment, so job is done.
@@StryfetheWarrior How about I handle my job by taking you out irl. I don't go by opinions, Only facts. If you knew whats good for you you'd pipe down.
@@moseslalmuanpuia8988 Ur slow in the head.
@@southerncoastproductions7587 It's true what I said tho
Miyagi wasn't perfect, he wasn't a god, but he was a good man that learnt from his mistake. Johnny took what Amanda gave him in private and then used it as ammunition, all whilst dismissing the fact his teachers Kreese and Stingray were also liars and cheats.
Daniel's Miyagi worships blinds him to what's right in front of him, but Johnny annoys me how he thinks one crime from Miyagi seems outweighs the 20 wrongs from his side.
Jonny has gotten tired. Note this season more Myagi do was being taught then Cobra kai. This was building to this point.
Yeah but miyagi hid that part of himself meanwhile Johnny is an open book about it
It's still being hypocritical to say that a person was a liar and a thief, when he was still a liar and a thief. 🤷🏽♂️
He never told Miguel or anyone he was wrong and lied he is still delusional that Daniel Larusso was the villain of the story. And twisted Miguel's perspective on the Larusso family to the point Daniel himself had to explain too Miguel what truly happened and to this day he hasn't admitted.
How is he an open book when he didn't tell the complete story to miguel and twisted the story to his own narrative to make himself sound like a good guy.
Great analysis couldn'tve said it better myself
Johnny statement was more emphasizing that myagi wasnt pure and incconent as daniel had him for
Daniel didn’t even know miyagi was a thief.
Johhny is the real karate kid 🗣
he is not a kid, and when he was, he don't even fight karate, the fight style they call cobra kai is actually taekwondo!
So in a way Miyagi and Johnny were more alike then we thought.
Actually, Daniel is the hypocrite. Johnny has always been authentic and rough around the edges but owns it. There is NO such thing as a perfect person, impossible standards for miyagi who Daniel repeatedly puts on a pedestal and fails to live up to the expectations.
I did say Daniel put Miyagi on a pedestal. But Johnny is still a hypocrite for saying Miyagi was a liar and a thief, because he is also a liar and a thief. Sure, he has owned up to his flaws but it took Ali coming into the picture to confirm he was lying about how some of the events started. Miyagi, Daniel, and Johnny are all flawed which is ok to say. Nothing wrong with that.
@@StryfetheWarrior dude, everyone is a hypocrite if you dig deep enough. Daniel is the biggest one
@@clickman443 Bruh, he spun the story of karate kid 1 to his own narrative to miguel. He's anything but authentic
@@moseslalmuanpuia8988 you're reading too much into it. That was his personal point of view. Bruh
@@clickman443 Yeah. And he did exactly what he accused and insulted mr miyagi of here, bruh