Coming Clean - Confession, Repentance, Restoration | Engels Coach Shop
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- Dealing with abuse. I've used excessive force for too long and now I have to deal with the aftermath. My welding table vise has given up the ghost, so to speak, and I have to figure out what I've done to it. Can I save it, or do I resort back to an older, heavier vise that hasn't worked for years? Both need restoring.
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Hi, I'm Steve and I'm a pipe wrench abuser. Meetings are on Tuesday at 7pm.
“I haven't a particle of confidence in a man who has no redeeming petty vices whatsoever.”
― Mark Twain
It takes a real man to recognize his errors and admit it when he breaks his own tools. We're here for you brother. Let the healing begin.
No, I was not fooled, knew the video was not going as some may have thought. David is a gentleman and why have we ruled out that Diane actually broke the vise?
@@dianneroberto5464 😂.........................
Amazing, but I rebuilt a vise that looked just like this back in 1973! My shop foreman told me I did a good job and sternly warned me never to use a "helper" in tightening a vise as it could strip threads inside. His advice still rings in my ears to this day. The technique of imprinting a file on the jaws is a new one for me! We used to have four utility trucks that had medium sized vises mounted on their rear bumpers and they were always freezing up due to rust caused by salt spray during the winter. They were a constant maintenance headache but a necessary chore.
David, you never cease to amaze me. Not only are you an accomplished craftmen, but you also know how to tell a story. I really enjoy your videos. Keep up the great work.
Couldn’t agree with this comment any better… Most enjoyable & educational series out there…
Ditto that exactly. 👍👍👍
Wow, I was worried there for a minute! I think eventually, everyone who uses a vise will subject it to some abuse. I once broke a smaller cheap off-shore unit using excessive force. We've all been there!
I once was banging on something pretty lightweight on the anvil portion of a chinesium vice and only managed to dent up the vice ... LoL
Damn, I was thinkin' vices not vise's, sometimes one you abuse and sometimes one abuses you!!
Many years ago I worked in a small garage. One day I came to work and the fixed jaw/body of our 5 inch vise was broken clean in two. After unbolting it from the bench I noticed some writing in the side of the casting. After scraping through many layers of crud, I saw that it said "Craftsman". Hallelujah! This was in the days when if it said "Craftsman" it was guaranteed forever. So I packed it off to the nearest Sears (no small feat since it was a heavy mother), and their response was "We don't make that one any more. Here's the next size up. Have a nice day." 🙂
@@frankely6378 That's awesome!
@@frankely6378 it’s not like that as Sears anymore. They would say you broke it so buy another one. Have a good day and you should be wearing a mask.
Love watching old equipment being restored and put back to work.
I feel for you my brother. When I was around 25 years old I broke a very good and expensive vice and promised myself I would never do it again. Well 32 years later l broke another one. It was my father-in-laws vice and he was standing right beside me when it happened. It wasn’t pretty, but I survived,barely. At least still part of the family.
And Dave shows WHY a TRUE Handyman NEVER throws ANYTHING out! 👍🤣
Dave, I think you'll find many of your viewers are either vice beaters or recovering from vice abuse!
Man thanks for the laugh!
Chris--And thank YOU for the laugh!!
One of the greatest bits of comedy I’ve seen from this platform in a while.
I've lost count of the things I didn't 'mean' to break! But then, I learned a lot from my grandad who's ex British Rail, and one of his answers to 'how tight?' is the old classic 'tighten it til it shears, then a quarter turn back.'! You don't find out how strong something is, unless you find out how strong it isn't.
Aye,. That's the skill all men that tighten things learn the hard way...."right to the point it's ready to shear..." It's a feel you develop with time when you feel that ever so slight change in resistance....
...And then you think "I wonder if it's going to break off when the next guy goes to take it off?"
Restoring an old vise is like helping an old friend....Nicely done Dave!
That was a unique look at, “the life of an abused vise”. It would seem that your due diligence for confession and contrition is good fore the renovation of the bigger vise. We ( your viewers) are definitely going to be watching out for the various vises and holding devises used in the future. Great video. Do like the choice of paint color, for the bigger shop vise. Kind of a cranberry. Nice.
your opening monologue was academy award level...😄
I was COMPLETELY FOOLED
i was literally getting ready for some tear-jerking gritty heart-pouring yet still inspiring real-life confession.
Well it was. Just not what you was hoping for though.
What? You mean, it wasn't!?
Me, too. He's in the west, so I thought he was about to confess to robbing the bank.
@@WillFastie Or being that parachute guy.
I love your work ethic in repairing/restoring/improving things! It's a pleasure to observe someone that knows what they are doing!
This just confirms that, even though we are old, we still have some use. The old man must not be thrown away, one day he may need it!
As I watch these videoes of yours in amazement, I catch myself saying, "'e'll, I'll be!" about every few minutes, as you amaze me with another one of your many skills. I do enjoy watching these videos! Thanks, for what you do. I learn something new nearly every time I turn one of these on.
Dave Engels: Craftsman, story-teller, videographer, actor!
OK, I was tensing up there for a minute! Your videos are always entertaining, educational and a thoroughly wonderful way to end a work week. I'm retired now, but somehow the cares and stress of the week melt away as I watch a true craftsman and jack-of-all-trades working his magic. Thank you as always for sharing with us!
That was a great idea using the Farrier's rasp to imprint Grippers into the jaws! Great job!
It's a nice decorative touch.
I thought you were going to have to mill the jaws. That idea of heating then and pressing them was sweet. You were going to have to heat them to temper them anyway.
The comments show that many of your viewers (including me) were bracing themselves for a real confession, and would have been ready to support you in whatever way we could. If such a confession was in order, I have no doubt you would have made it appropriately. Even your jokes reveal who you really are, and I am grateful for the opportunity to know you, to the extend that this medium allows.
By the way, I have two broken vises (with an "s") under my bench. My excuse is that they were abused by their previous owners.
is it one man's tool is another man's device or was that de vice. and mr engels from little house on the prairie or was itnof garrison Keillor of lake wo-be-gon days
telling us in a george strait kinda way to play a paycheck song that goes like take this job and shove(l) it, i'm having so much fun im not working here no more no more. police release me. i want ta go home. to the greene grass of home. home is where the heart is. mine beats (tony beets a fellow dutch born brother from different mothers and fathers moms and dads. hay is for horses better for cows pigs don't eat it because they don't know how. and mr engels has facial hair similar to tony beets and the burl ives talking snowman in the santa clause claymation christmas special.
knock knock
who's there?
blaze here.
if you are a guy pull out your fire hose and piss on the fire until it is out.
if you are a person of the female anatomy drop your underwear and piss on fire until it is out.
if you are unsure of your gender find a jack or jill to fetch a pail of water. if jack me offs jill can roll down hill in a field of clover and extinguish the blaze.
mr engels. mr. engels i watched to many dennis the menace returns and reruns. please help me mr engels if you can green eggs and ham from the dr. suess classic story of a cat in a hat. good day mr. engels. glad you fixed your vices. i
There was a collective sigh of relief from your viewers when you let us in on the real story great video
the fact that he's making a joke out of men beating their wives is... not a good look. There being so many comments showing support for this humor really speaks to a backwards violent culture in his demographic of viewers.
Phew! For a moment there I thought you'd busted up your table saw or smashed your band saw!
I'm pleased to hear it was only your vice 😁
Thanks for sharing what everyone does to their vises. If they say they don't abuse their vise it's because they have a way bigger vise than they really need in their shop. Like Pappy always said, if it don't fit don't force it get a bigger hammer. Stay safe Dave and keep up the fun around there and make humor of the necessary repairs to things around the shop. Fred.
Good work, sir! A vise has a "vice" for abuse. Sometimes the only way to make something behave is to HOLD IT STILL while you MAKE the workpiece behave. I'd say after 40+ years of that vise being your Third Hand while you work your craft, you've done it a great service by restoring, repairing, and putting it somewhere where it'll still be useful, and can live out the rest of its life with purpose.
Every time you make a video, you tell us a story, not only in words but mainly in the work you do. They are very well told and beautiful stories. Thanks.
Just need to get a grip on the vise!! You can do it, Dave!
Hey Dave, and thank you for your intimate view about your use and abuse of your equipment. Warm greetings from the Netherlands, Bram
There is nothing like dry humor and Montana wit. Great video.
It's a long road to recovery. I've just come clean now I'm listed as a Vise abuser on Vicean's list here in La Jolla. My neighbor's avoid me and women walk on the opposite side of the street when they are with vice. The first step is the hardest. I'm certain you are much better than I am, my vice is hidden out of view now... Great phycological analogy David! I do have rage moments but I would not be a man if I didn't!
Thanks for sharing 👍 You know Mr. Pete just had a heat attack watching the way you made the ridges on the jaws.
You were lucky to have a machine shop nearby. And a good tech available.
Many years ago, 40+ to be exact, I worked in a truck assembly plant. There was an engineer who used to bluster around telling us young 'uns on the line to stop forcing things and get a bigger hammer. When you think about it, there's truth in those words. All the cheap vises I've broken through the decades, if I'd paid the good money all those years ago, I'd still be using the first one.
I am 76 and have used my fair share of vises over my lifetime of being a mechanic, carpenter and woodworker. I have broken one or two and bend more than that. Furthermore, I have also repaired a couple of broken vises that I have found lying around. One of my "pet peeves" is when I see people, on UA-cam, bending metal by hammering it out over the movable jaw of their vise instead of back over the fixed, and much stronger, jaw. Love your videos, think I have watched them all.
Thank you Dave, I have been dealing with this Vise vice secretly for years. Inspired by your courage to talk about it I have made up my mind to stop. Again thank you Dave
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It was difficult to thru the first part of this today. I am a survivor, it brought me back to some difficult times from my past. Thankfully is was just a joke, My father was a master craftsman like you. And I have followed in in footsteps in many wayʻs, Just not the abuse. I was able to break the cycle. I watch you to remind me of the few good times we had in the shop. Thanks for all you do. Kris
More good times will come.
For me it was an older brother. For 6 years I lived with the fear that he was going to kill me in a way that would look like an accident. I was his punching bag when he got angry over something not working the way he wanted it to. After he was kicked out of the house the real nightmares began. I learned about PTSD from reading an article about it and with more research I learned how to cope with the nightmares that would happen when I was awake. It took a while to figure out how to separate the flashbacks from the reality of the moment. I fought suicide in my teenage years because of the almost daily flashbacks. In my mid 20's I spoke with a psychologist who told me that I was one of very few people he had met who had learned how to function normally during a flashback. I know the horror of reliving abuse and the fear of losing control of yourself in situations where it could cause you to have an accident. I have experienced flashbacks while driving, working and doing other things. I still have nightmares occasionally about things that happened 50 years and more ago. I have to be very careful about this because I have come out of a deep sleep in a rage and screaming before. It's something that my dear wife of 35 years doesn't understand and can't comprehend how something that happened so long ago can still affect me. Yes, I survived and I am still wondering how. I didn't have any support or outside help because my father didn't take it as anything serious until something happened that he couldn't ignore. I had to find the information that helped me totally by chance. If not for that I would have been just another suicide statistic.
Videos like this are just one of the reasons I love this channel. You've proven once again that you truly know your way around tools.
FANTASTIC color. Years ago, painted some of my shop and hand tools the same color. Daughter makes fun of me. She won't now. Thank you so much!
“Hi my name is Dave, and I’m a viseaholic”. “Hi Dave”
Dave, Becky and I appreciate your sense of humor. Good thing you had that other vise. A man can never have too many vises!
We want to thank you for taking the time to visit with us this week! We will stop next time we are heading south. Doug
A true cowboy heart Mr. Engels. Good story and nice restoration. Be kind to them that brung us.
I'm a recovering vise abuser myself. It hasn't left me yet but I did have to clean up our relationship with the oil of recovery. Great story, sir1
Well played sir. You snatched victory.from the jaws of defeat. ;-) 🇬🇧
the fact that he's making a joke out of men beating their wives is... not a good look. There being so many comments showing support for this humor really speaks to a backwards violent culture in his demographic of viewers.
Thanks for the big reveal Dave. So good to get that stuff out into the open. Lucky that that's your only vice. I wonder if there's a 12 Step Program for vise-al abuse.
Mr. Engels, you are an artist, we allow our artists some leeway, but keep your tools safe.
Wow Mr. Engels you never fail to amaze me. old vise turns like new
A suggestion: I find that the reason we apply crazy amounts of force with a vise is usually because we are trying to hold something with only friction ... Recently i made some soft jaws for my vise with a series of vertical holes of different size on the split line, and with horizontal vee grooves, so i could properly grip AROUND a variety of real world objects like bolt shanks,, rather than just gripping on two opposed tangents by friction.
They are not hardened and have no teeth... Don't need them because they are not trying to bite into the part. So they don't constantly damage everything they touch like normal vise jaws.
They have worked AMAZINGLY WELL. I get a really solid grip with very low applied force.
Might be something to consider?
Well, yes, but ... you're still using friction, and that's ok. 👍🖖
OMG Love the content. For a moment I thought a fallen angel was the topic, but no,WHEW. Keep up the great work.
Good job on vise. Good for nuther 40 years. I'm the guy in Louisiana that you sent buggy top to by mistake and I forworded it to your customer. I don't make wheels anymore and I try to watch all your new things on U tube. Learned a lot from you over the years. Thank you for helping me a lot on couple of projects. W L CREAMER
Nice to hear from you.
Many years ago I had a boss that always said; "It aint finished until it's painted". So I was glad to see you use paint of any color!!
They say confession is good for the soul but the first part of solving a problem is actually recognising there is a problem in the first place! You are absolved. Excellent as always.
i bought a old vice from a auction with a broken nut like that. paid 10$ for A vice that should have went for around 400. i just cut out the broken nut, bought a new nut and welded it in. that was about 8 years ago. im still using that vice.
I was tasked with repairing 6 Wilson vises in the student welding shop, large amounts of the jaws were ground away and I had to weld back the missing metal, the Jaw inserts were gone. At 60.00 a pair I found using old files cut to size worked great, I did anneal the temper out.
Fun video!
I of course could see the setup coming to the joke, but it still gave me quite a chuckle. This was a nice change. Thanks!
Dave: Master Blacksmith, Master WheelWright, Master Wagon Maker and Master ACTOR!
And now Master Baiter.
This video was bait.
@@shawbros and it was great. Those of us who watch Dave every week really enjoyed it.
Normally the Vice abuses you….. great storytelling Dave, thank you
Now it's vise versa!
Most enjoyable, great humor. Here in Missouri we have a group that might be able to help you, VVV, Victims of Vice Vengeance. They meet on the Saturdays of months with five Sundays. There are mental health officials there for support. Send us your vice’s and we’ll see if we can get them through these horrible times.
Great humorous video, thank you for taking the time, and you did a heck of a job fixing the second vice up.
From Missouri
Ingenious use of the file to make the grooving on the jaws!!!!
Que beleza de restauração, agora tem dois tornos em perfeitas condições de uso, maravilha. Parabéns!!
Well you had me going. Well played sir. Enjoyable video as always, with something a bit different.
Agreed,Scare us to death
I'm watching this one year after its posting and, by happy chance, it's now the end of 2023 when a lot of us begin considering that our new year resolution might be. After watching this satisfying video (and aren't ALL of Engel's Coach Shop videos satisfying?) I can tell you what my resolution WON'T be. I won't be cleaning out all the dark corners of the extra bits of stuff I've squirreled away over the years!
I’ve been restoring old vises for about three years now. Mostly old American ones like Prentiss, Reed, Yost and Charles Parker.
The old vises show signs of use and abuse. I don’t think you should be too hard on yourself. The vise is a tool like any other, and what happened to yours just don’t last forever.
You did a really nice job of rehabbing that spare. It should do you good for many years yet.
It's ok Dave, I confess as well, I don't lift my files on the back stroke, so we all have to deal with ISSUES!
Fireball Tool did a whole series on not lifting on the back stroke. After something like 10000 strokes there was no damage to the file beyond 10000 strokes worth of wear. You're fine. Do what feels comfortable while working.
@@DavidSoucie you dont lift the file on the backstroke to avoid damage to the file. The file doesnt cut backwards, so its a pointless waste of energy putting in the same effort as the forward stroke. As is the same pressure on the pull back of a hand saw
@@gbwildlifeuk8269 That's not what most people are talking about when they say they don't lift the file. They aren't trying to cut backwards. People release most of the downward pressure, but still allow the file to drag along the surface which keeps it registered. Fun fact saws and files both do, in fact, remove material on the back stroke just not as efficiently as on the down stroke.
@@DavidSoucie your statement said "there was no damage to the file after 10000 strokes" which implies files are damaged by using them on the back stroke. My point was preventing damage on the back stroke was not the purpose of lifting the file, for the reasons stated.
As for cutting on the back stroke, place a piece of metal in your vice and file it using only the back stroke, (use as much pressure as you want!).
See how many filings you collect in an hour! Its like sanding wood with toilet paper 😁😁
@@gbwildlifeuk8269 Said by someone who has obviously neither watched the video nor done any serious hand filing in their life.
There's gotta be a maker who'd volunteer to fix your vice !!
It looks like the casting could be machined from mild steel. It's not that complex.
Looks like the sort of thing Adam Booth might look at (Abom79, he collects American vises), perhaps with a call also to Windy Hill Foundry for a replacement casting.
David, may the excessive force be with you.
Just goes to show that all of us have our vices! The important thing is that we admit them and then move on.
Your videos are like confession, good for the soul.
You are a wealth of knowledge, always enjoy your videos!
Dang it, at first i really fell for it! 😀
Great restoration, thanks for sharing with us.
Dave, I have seen your patience and craftsmanship always yield impressive results. We all reach a point where we just force things more than we should. Valuable lessons soon follow. We say to ourselves, hammer in hand, vice holding firm "Something's got to give". After a million tests (hits with said hammer), the vice says, "I'm outta here". Glad you saved them both.
Not proud but in my shop something usually gets thrown followed by bad words. What is even worse is my wife, “ Thomas there’s a reason your hole is round and the peg is square………..DUH!
Excellent video and technique of the old school that never fails, I had not enjoyed as much as this. Thanks for sharing.
I have to admit it....I have abused more than one of my vises...
Great job on refurbishing your vises...
Fun to watch your talents...
Dave - Loved the tongue-in cheek approach. Hope it was as fun for you to put together as it was to watch.
I'm sure we've all had that moment of clarity.
Your knowledge and skills and patience is incredible to see. Thanks for sharing them on UA-cam.
This just isn't right, I have spent all day putting in my engine into a 79 F150 andf it is 9:30 at night so I thought I would take a short break. The most relaxing I can find is watching this video. Totally wonderful. Love it, now I will get back to work with renewed vigor.
David, I am a recovering vice abuser, so can empathise with your predicament. I have not abused a vice for quite some time now and can assure you that it will get easier as time passes. You are not alone, and there is help out there as i found. Stay strong brother.
I have abused my vice as well your courage to come out and talk about it made me reflect on myself and see that.
I am shocked! Not because you tested the strength of the vise, but with your skills, I was waiting to see you design & build a better vise.
David, it is nice you "fessed up" about your vise abuse and restored not one but the two vises. They are now as good as new.
I have several of those style vises. The older ones were much heavier and better made but that cast nut ring is a weak spot for all of them. BTW, the base is meant to be installed towards the corner so the vise can be rotated around from the front to the side. Just allows you to get closer to the edge.
Love it! Whole new approach to an old problem....
Repentance and Restoration is good for the soul!
absolutely hilarious. I'm married 42 years and my lovely bride has told me on more than a few occasions that I'm hard on the equipment. hahaha
Had me hanging on for a moment there. I have one of those Chinesium vises my ex bought me back in the 80's and it has served me well. She bought it as a secret birthday gift and had the store clerk load it in the car for her. When she got home she realized it was no longer a secret because I had to unload it. I still keep it cleaned and oiled often and have replaced the jaws with aluminum so as not to damage things I work on now a days. Take care of yourself,
jack
I have a Chinese multi purpose vise (that's what the spinning style like seen in this video are called) I got off Harbor Freight in the early 90s so it's a vintage one too. It's kinda craptacular but it's still hanging in there. I only use it to hold work I file. One of my favorite tools in my workshop is a leather tongue I cut out of an old boot. I wrap stuff in it that I don't want to damage. So the next time you're throwing out an old pair of boots cut the tongues out of them first.
I love brazing, it is so old school but very useful. That vise is better than anything you could buy today unless you spent megabucks.
You scared us at first,I said what the hell is coming, then to our relief it was vise abuse. Well we can always buy or repair a new vise!!
Thanks for everything you do it’s real and we enjoy every video! After watching everyone of your videos I walk away saying to my self that man is a world of knowledge and a true artist!! Thanks for all you do and till the next video. God Bless
You brought those ol vise' back to life. Great job!
Great video, our fixed base bench vice has seen a lot of use, it was given to my grandfather by a hardware store owner as payment for hauling a load of grain for him with our then new 1947 Studebaker 2ton Truck.
I could watch you for hours, unbelievable skill .
Thank you so much.
Feel free to abuse what ever you want to. Cause you can fix it. Thanks for sharing your time and talent! KANSAS
Love watching your videos. You are a true craftsman of a lost trade.
I've abused a vice or two in my life. Though two were terminal. Dad was impressed when I broke his. The jaw on the base broke at an angle from near the center to remove the left ear. Had to be a fault in the casting. I was not abusing it that much, truly.
The second was a big rotating one like you are working on here, and I had been crashed at the dirt track, and was trying to straighten the track rod (Mustang II/ Pinto suspension), and I guess I didn't use enough heat, but the moving jaw broke off. The Lowes Special I have now it still alive.
You have a great sense of humor and lots of talent !
My name is Mike, and I'm a vice abuser.(waits for reply) It's been 6 months since I last abused a vice.(waits for applause to die down) I can't get that day out of my head. I had a beautiful, mint condition Wilton turret vice that I destroyed trying to beat a ball joint loose. Broke the casting badly.(as opposed to goodly?!) My stomach still tightens up when I think about that day. Oh the humanity!!! The struggle is real!
It is good that you had a vice vise to take the place of the one damaged by your vise vice.
What once were vises are now habits, or words to that effect. Thanks again for letting us watch.
great stuff, thanks.. my old Matco vise wasn`t abused or broken, but i did a similar cleanup and lubrication when i moved to west tx and my `new` shop ( used to be a horse barn, insulated metal building...) i still havent got an anvil.. i do have a chunk of railroad rail tht serves, sorta.. again, thanks... i`ve been a mechanic all my life, and now i like wood, and impersonate a carpenter, when necessary...