You have been an amazing teacher, making the carriage trade come alive for us. Many thanks for teaching us history, woodworking and patience. You have taught me to be a better woodworker, and it shows in my work!
"Is it Junk?" - Well, to most people it probably is. But I can't imagine a mechanical device that you can't fix. If all else fails, I can see you blacksmithing something, then turning it in the lathe, and.. "Good as new." 🙂
Now THAT is wallered out, holy cow. My suggestion, try and get the attention of Keith Rucker and Clark Easterling. UA-cam collaberations tend to be good for all channels involved. Braze up and re-machine the big casting, get Keith and Clark to pattern, cast and machine the inserts. This is right up their alley.
I think a lot of people wouldn't understand, but when you love restoring stuff like this, the process of busting apart and old seized up mess is actually quite enjoyable.
I don't believe I have ever looked forward to one of your projects as much as this spreader. What a great project to save and it is in the right hands. Thank you for your efforts in this great video project.
I love the way you turn and talk to us through the camera, Dave. It makes me feel as if I really am right there in person watching you. Great project and terrific presentation. You really are 'The Man'.
There is another UA-camr that makes videos. His channel name is My Mechanic. He restores/ repairs old items back to working condition. If a part is unfixable, he says “I’ll make a new one”. He has a metal lathe along with the knowledge to literally make anything. Now here’s the fun part. Other UA-camrs will send him parts to fix. And he does but then he makes a video out of it. The challenge is distance and timeline. He’s located in Switzerland. But FedEx/UPS takes care of that problem. Something to consider and you’ll enjoy researching his work on his channel in all of your spare time. lol. Good luck and can’t wait until Friday.
It's times like these that I wish my home machine shop was set up because I'd fix you up some new bushings for free for the years of content that you've given us.
Hi Dave. Back when I was a welder in 1997, I was able to weld cast iron like bracket that with lots of preheat and 99% nickel electrode. I would have been able to weld up the worn areas, which then could have been machined back into shape. I am not inclined to assume that the bushing would have been cast steel vs cast iron. Cast iron has the inherent lubricity of the free graphite in the iron matrix, making it a better choice for a bushing. A foundry could duplicate that bushing.
Maybe this could turn into a collaboration. This seems right up the alley for Keith Rucker of the Vintage Machinery channel. He seems to know these types materials well and how to repair them. It would be cool to see him repair this on his channel and it could bring new viewers to your channel.
As soon as I saw that severely worn bushing and deeply worn cast iron frame, I thought, a collaboration! With whom? Keith Rucker immediately came to mind. So the three of us must be thinking along the same lines! Dave, I hope you will consider our ideas. Best wishes to all for the New Year! Roy Lewis Buffalo, NY 🇺🇸
Hi Dave, 3 ways that I can see to remake the Insert, 1, Building up with Welding Rod and milling With a Lathe and a Mill, 2, Milling a solid bar with a Lathe and a Mill, 3, Sand Casting Steel, I'm watching to see how you do it, I may learn something
Well, with all due respect to your great library of skills, I would suggest, at the very least, you make a consultation with another well-respected tradesman - a machinist! Keith Rucker (another famous UA-camr comes immediately to mind). There are many ways to repair that but, properly repaired (and I mean to a degree that the machine could once again be a dependable working piece of equipment) will require a very skilled and experienced set of hands. Seeing you in cahoots with Keith Rucker would be a real treat.
I keep remembering something my Dad told me when I was a kid… “A manure spreader is the one piece of equipment that the manufacturer will never stand behind.” 😆
Old millwright trick, when you have to heat metal up to loosen it use perifen wax melted on it when the metal cools it is still lubed and will come apart better.
Dave, check out Josh Topper. I believe he's in Minnesota. He could either braze and rebore the bushing, or turn new one. Yes, Kurt's at CEE, but he's in Australia. Keith Rucker, too. Or Windy Hill Foundry to cast new parts. Love watching! It will all go back together. We know you can do it.
For those who watch CEE, I love to hear Curtis show a video of a spreader and show what the part does. Keith Rucker could certainly turn and bore a new one.
I am for sure they could help. I would probably (i not a machinist just do some machining for my self and not so god at it) bore out the hole and make a new insert. The bushing i would probable make out of bronze with a grease fitting.
Yah, Kurt would have the skills to get it fixed up right, but he being in Oz and the part not being off a big mining rig... Then 'my mechanics' popped into my mind but he's over in Switzerland... still, I definitely agree that Dave should seek out one of the US-based machinists that have YT channels for a collaboration.
5:09 I've read that the best way to unstick rusted parts is a homemade penetrating oil consisting of 50% Acetone and 50% Automatic Transmission Fluid. I have not tried it myself but I've seen multiple mentions of it being extremely effective.
Another episode of "this is over a hundred years old and it is absolutely hammered but I'm gonna fix it anyway" sir you never cease to impress. As for the worn-through metal I would imagine you're either gonna end up welding it up and turning a new bushing, or building a mold around it, casting new metal into it, and machining it. One way or the other, a lot of work. I hope we get to watch, whatever you decide.
when I was a youngling my dad trained me on his later model spreader. all metal, grease fittings at all critical points. it was wheel driven, dont know the make. I qualified expert on loading and unloading ! when you finish with the repairs I'll be honored to help fill it for testing purposes
I would be tempted to bore out the housing on the mill just enough to round out the bore and press in a modern bearing (forget the bushing). Unless it must be "original" when restored.
Dave, I respectfully submit that if you look at the "wear" on the insert, the outside is extremely thin and the inside is quite a bit more substantial. My belief (from here) is that someone tried to service/repair something and then they couldn't get it back together, they drilled a new hole, off center and not parallel to the existing hole. I'm wondering if it doesn't need to be filled is with some new weld and "aged" using your vinegar & iron chips method. Regardless, it looks like it's going to be a very interesting puzzle!
Hi Dave, do you have a Magnetic Drill press? Magnet Drill Presses are Amazing Tools that Lock Magnetically down tight on metal. Creating a Stabel secure Platform to drill Holes. The best option is an American Made Mill. Put a Copper plate under the part to be welded as barrier and use a Buildup Weld for all metal and no Salge. Mill all surface's flat and Smooth with a 4 Flute end Mill where you Bolts are located. Use the X - Y of the Table to move around and locate your dead Center for Drill your Holes.
It occurred to me that every single person involved in the design and manufacture of this old machine is long gone! I'm going to really enjoy this restoration, Dave.
Isnt it amazing how those set screws came right out after more than 100 years. We love your videos. I worked for my great grandads brother in his blacksmith shop holding peopls teams while they got shod by him during my summers in Pennsylvania. He was old timey(made most of his own shoes and many different irons for the farmers around here) Thanks for the memories. Bill
Dave: I'm thinking your channel's tagline should be "Success comes to those who persevere." I look forward to your videos. I respect your commitment to restoring horse-drawn equipment and the care you take to catalogue how the work is done. Blessing for you in the new year.
Thanks for showing us this interesting project. Regarding repairs/restorations, perhaps you only need to restore it to the standard where its function can be demonstrated now and again? Can't think this muck spreader will be put to work again like it was originally intended to do?
Since this machine will probably not be used to spread fertilizer across fields anymore, fixing the worn out bearing with babbitt will probably be just fine.
A good name for this Honey Wagon would be Humpty Dumpty. So many pieces that only Dave could put back together again. I think you would benefit from using an Air Chisel and a set of deep Impact sockets that fit square nuts
Yeah I don't know i think his slow and steady heat and hand wins the race instead of snapping things off.. and i still enjoy watching him wrestling off stubborn irons ...
PB BLASTER is your friend. I used it rebuilding a automotive engine. Works great. I’m so interested on the mechanics of that machine. Look forward to ALL your videos. 🎉 HAPPY NEW YEAR 🎆
Thats what's so great about metal, in the right hands, it can be repaired and made usable again. I have no doubts you will repair the boss and the bushing.
Thanks! I think that idler has an oil hole in it on its rolling face. You might be able to cut that bushing out an old crank shaft. I'd prolly bore out the frame and plug it with a piece of continuous cast (be a bit expensive though).
If it were me, I would weld up the frame and bore the hole for the bushing. I would make a new bushing, either whole or you could bore out the bushing, retaining the collar and the lug and then insert a new bushing into the collar, welding or sweating it into place. This would retain the majority of the original iron and repair the damage. Fun to watch the removal. I use to use the same technique for taking apart old iron, but have shifted from a hammer to a pneumatic hammer. Places more impacts per minute than I am capable of and makes life much easier. You can also use an electric hammer. I have made steel and bronze bits for different applications. Thanks for sharing and a Very Happy New Year to you and the family.
Man oh man does this dismantling take the patience of Job! I had one of these derelict farm equipment pieces that I bought and moved to the side of my front driveway 28 years ago. I sold it when I moved but I was just thinking perhaps I should have kept so some of the parts could have been used for this project as it was in quasi working order. I love these old pieces. As a kid my dad drove a team of horses for all their farm work implements. I also had a dump rake and a 56’ Willys 4wd pickup all original. Should could kept them in retrospect. Love these videos.
Man every since I was a kid in the 60’s and use to see this run down wagon in a shed, I’ve always wanted to do this kind of stuff but didn’t know where or who for help or guidance. I see your daughter getting involved with this project. Keep up the outstanding work sir!
Clark at Windy Hill Foundry may be able to cast new parts for you. I watch his channel on UA-cam and he does a lot of off parts. Love what you do and thanks for bringing us along for the journey!
There's a few people suggesting WHF. So far as I know they only go as far as cast iron, not cast steel. Maybe they can do it, or maybe they could if asked. Maybe the part would work in cast iron, though it takes quite a beating in use, but perhaps it will never be used to spread more than a token demonstration amount of stuff after restoration. Seems to me, if he can repair the bracket, it would be a better option. The bush is less of an issue, make a new one from whatever is to hand, bronze would work I guess for the amount of use it will ever get, or even just mild steel.
If I ran into that wear problem and I lived in the U.S., I think I’d contact Kieth Rucker who also has a great channel here. He is a highly skilled machinist who restores old machinery. If anyone has good answers, he will have them.
I'd put the old bushing into the housing, back it with a sand box and pour a filler, perhaps silica bronze as you would a babbit bearing and redrill the center hole or just use a dowel of hardwood as a filler and then redrill after the pour. It will never see the use it used to see and as a museum piece everything remains operable and original. One could turn the old bushing 90 degrees to reduce pressure on the filler when in operation but that would mean moving the tab. Thanks for the videos and may God bless you and yours.
In the process of taking apart a 1929 Dunbar popcorn wagon on a 1929 Chev 1 1/2 ton truck. Love to see your patience in removing those shafts. As an amateur machinist and a consumer of a lot of UA-cam I would have the frame brazed and machined and a new bushing machined out of steel. The sprocket I would just leave as it will function just find as the only thing it will probably significantly spread going forward is smiles. Great project!
It seems to me that turning a new piece to replace the insert would be the best approach to get back into spec. Dave has a metal lathe and that part is not too complicated. Maybe do a set up to bore out the large casting (to whatever extent is possible) and then turn the od of the insert to suit. Also bore the id of the insert to match the beater shaft. I have no doubt it will get a reliable fix one way or another; it’s the Engle way! Good luck. 🥸👍👀✅❗️
For my 2 cents, I'd braze up the part worn out of the big casting and have it bored and have a new bushing made. If this were meant to go back into service I'd go with Oilite bushings. But as this will likely be a show piece once finished, matching the original will probably be best. I have say I'm really impressed with how well that old iron has held up. I would have thought a manure spreader that old would have long since turned to rust with manure tending to be sort of corrosive.
Id say you could reproduce that worn bushing out of wood and have it recast by windy hill foundry located in Mississippi. The notch worn in the frame could be braze filled.
Dave, I would think twice before attempting to fill that void by welding with either brass (i.e. oxy/acetylene) or stainless steel (electric arch), unless you happen to know a magician welder. Even if the void is successfully filled, the base material is so thin where it’s worm that it would almost certainly crack post welding, no matter how slowly it is cooled (rule of thumb is to never try to fill a void that is deeper than the base material…). The good news is that the damage is in a low (mechanical) stress location. Additionally, the load case is compressive. All that is needed to effect a repair is the filling of the void to support the bushing (which is seeing the higher load) as well as provide an original appearance. To that end, I suggest babbitt might be the material to use as a filler. Babbitt and cast iron have a long and successful relationship going back to the earliest days of the industrial revolution. It would be a simple matter to machine a plug to fill the bushing bore, and pour the worn out void. Or even fill the entire bushing bore and worn void and machine to whatever size you like. Pre and post stress relieving a babbitt repair is not necessary as it would be with a weld. There is a bit of craft associated with pouring babbitt, but it’s much less challenging than welding old dirty corroded cast iron. Babbitt is getting difficult to find. Let me know if you need help. Cheers!
Really looking forward to this series. Complex mechanics there. My suggestion is chat to Keith Rucker who runs a channel on vintage machinery restoration on UA-cam!
Dave, I’m sure you know the direction you’re going to fix the bushing. A new bushing needs to be turned on a lathe, meaning you could make a few bushings for nos, lol. On the steel cast, weld in the worn out material and bore it out with whatever machine you have access to.
Hi Dave, Perhaps you might consider using a high nickel rod to build up that bushing and even the frame. The high nickel would suck up lots of carbon with a low tendency for cracking. As you well know, high preheats and multiple, small passes are better. All the best in 2024 to you and Diane!
I'm thinking turn up a new bearing insert in a grade of steel similar to what cast steel would be (EN58 maybe? Or cut a suitable chunk from a engine crankshaft?) and weld a piece on to the rim to mimick the block cast into the original. You could weld up the original but it would require a lot of heating and proper cooling after and you'd still end up on the lathe boring and trueing it afterwards anyway.
18:10 a lot of machine work is gonna be needed. If it were me I would make a silicon bronze bushing to replace the steel one, it would last a lot longer. Then on the bracket I would bore it out round and weld a sleeve back in.
Hi, Dave. I just had a moment of inspiration. When the manure spreader is fully rebuilt you could ship it of to Washington. There is probably a lot of work for it there.🤣 Now on a more serious note, I'm finding this project gets more interesting with every video. Thanks for another fine video.
That bushing makes me think of the kind of work that Kurtis @CuttingEdgeEngineering does, but on a bit smaller scale. Fill it with good welding rod and bore it back out to size.
If it were mine. I’d powder torch or braze up the wear in the housing, rebore the ID. Cut a new bushing out of oil lite bronze and run a grease zerk or grease cup in lieu of the oil hole, since it will instantly plug with manure again if you use it for its intended purpose.
U have a few options. U could make that bushing out of wood and pour a new one. U could try brazing it up and redrilling it. Either way u will need to braze the main part up or weld it and redrill it. Something along those lines. It depends on if u intend to use it on a regular basis and future wear
Dave, as far as your badly worn "wear bushing" goes, make a drawing as accurate as possible in case your possible weld repair of the cast steel doesn't work out. In the worst case, you could get a piece of "raw stock" steel bar or shafting and turn a replacement piece on your lathe if it is still capable of cutting metal (I know that you use it for turning wood). If you need lathework done and your lathe isn't up to the task, you could farm the lathework out to a local(?) Machine Shop or even to someone that watches your videos and has a suitable metal-cutting lathe. Farming the replacement bushing work out is why you'd need an accurate drawing with all dimensions and their tolerances. If you wanted to go overboard with an original-looking replacement bushing, you might be able to find a small foundry that is capable of casting steel for you. Windy Hill Foundry (here on UA-cam) tends to mostly do cast iron work, but also does brass & bronze I think. Clarke _may_ be able to cast steel also, but you'd have to ask about that. Some viewers may be able to cast steel in home foundries too. You or whoever does the cast steel work for you could use the worn bushing as a starting point to make a pattern either from scratch or by adding a removable material into the worn areas to make a pattern.
On that very worn part: As a viewer I'm thinking "pfft, you got this!" - being a victim or your own success, we pretty much now expect you to perform miracles on iron. Which is a bit unfair; so I'm very keen on seeing how this turns out and I wish you luck. My only advise being "talk to the Engels Coach guy, he'll know what to try". :^). So talk to yourself.
looks like you will have to weld it up and re bore it and as far as the bushing you can do a lost wax casting and reshape the main hole in the cast and repour it and with a little machine work it would be as good as new. i do really enjoy your work you sir are a master of your craft.
Dave consider turning a new hub for the bearing/shaft. The eccentric caused by the wear could be filled in with brass filler rod as the frame seams to be cast iron.
You've done more with less. Just because it was cast steel doesn't mean it has to be. You can turn a new bushing, and if you want machine/grind the rounds and tapers and maybe sand blast to roughen it up a little....or not. Put a half round in the casting where it's worn and braze it. I couldn't make it look good, but I'm confident you can. Thanks for showing us all the hard work. It will be one of the nicest manure spreaders I've seen once it's done.
i'm 71 and when i think about starting a new project i consider if i'm trying to bite off more than i can chew . if you get this one completed it will be a life time achievement . make sure you sign it so people will know who resurrected this spreader another 100 years from now . i hope to see it finished .. good video
At 66 now i have to remember i'm not 20 and full of piss and vinegar anymore and throttle back my desire to jump in and take on another project ..i already have a boat load ..
You have been an amazing teacher, making the carriage trade come alive for us. Many thanks for teaching us history, woodworking and patience. You have taught me to be a better woodworker, and it shows in my work!
"Is it Junk?" - Well, to most people it probably is. But I can't imagine a mechanical device that you can't fix. If all else fails, I can see you blacksmithing something, then turning it in the lathe, and.. "Good as new." 🙂
Now THAT is wallered out, holy cow. My suggestion, try and get the attention of Keith Rucker and Clark Easterling. UA-cam collaberations tend to be good for all channels involved. Braze up and re-machine the big casting, get Keith and Clark to pattern, cast and machine the inserts. This is right up their alley.
Appreciate you sharing.
I think a lot of people wouldn't understand, but when you love restoring stuff like this, the process of busting apart and old seized up mess is actually quite enjoyable.
Absolutely !
Oh yes definitely. Every piece you break free is a victory
I don't believe I have ever looked forward to one of your projects as much as this spreader. What a great project to save and it is in the right hands. Thank you for your efforts in this great video project.
Thank God for heat and PB Blaster!
There's a whole life of hard work evidenced just in those few components.
I love the way you turn and talk to us through the camera, Dave. It makes me feel as if I really am right there in person watching you. Great project and terrific presentation. You really are 'The Man'.
Fabulous - we are all engaged.
There is another UA-camr that makes videos. His channel name is My Mechanic. He restores/ repairs old items back to working condition. If a part is unfixable, he says “I’ll make a new one”. He has a metal lathe along with the knowledge to literally make anything. Now here’s the fun part. Other UA-camrs will send him parts to fix. And he does but then he makes a video out of it. The challenge is distance and timeline. He’s located in Switzerland. But FedEx/UPS takes care of that problem. Something to consider and you’ll enjoy researching his work on his channel in all of your spare time. lol. Good luck and can’t wait until Friday.
I am in complete awe of your level of patience.
It's times like these that I wish my home machine shop was set up because I'd fix you up some new bushings for free for the years of content that you've given us.
Thank you.
None of the machinery manufacturers stood behind their manure spreader.😂 Great show thought you could use a laugh. Big Fan.
Good job on a difficult puzzle, Happy New Year....
Hi Dave. Back when I was a welder in 1997, I was able to weld cast iron like bracket that with lots of preheat and 99% nickel electrode. I would have been able to weld up the worn areas, which then could have been machined back into shape.
I am not inclined to assume that the bushing would have been cast steel vs cast iron. Cast iron has the inherent lubricity of the free graphite in the iron matrix, making it a better choice for a bushing. A foundry could duplicate that bushing.
One of the benefits of a smart phone is that anytime I disassemble something I'm not familiar with, I take lots of pictures.
You might want to ask ho can cast that buching, for shore the hole wagon will be a challenge.
Happy new year everyone 🎉
Maybe this could turn into a collaboration. This seems right up the alley for Keith Rucker of the Vintage Machinery channel. He seems to know these types materials well and how to repair them. It would be cool to see him repair this on his channel and it could bring new viewers to your channel.
Yeah, I think that would be a great crossover. Not that you can't do it, Dave, but it is so much like Keith does.
I’ve watched Keith do work for several UA-cam channels. He knows his stuff for sure.
As soon as I saw that severely worn bushing and deeply worn cast iron frame, I thought, a collaboration! With whom? Keith Rucker immediately came to mind. So the three of us must be thinking along the same lines!
Dave, I hope you will consider our ideas.
Best wishes to all for the New Year!
Roy Lewis
Buffalo, NY 🇺🇸
Your Spot on!
Agreed, Keith could help
Hi Dave, 3 ways that I can see to remake the Insert,
1, Building up with Welding Rod and milling With a Lathe and a Mill,
2, Milling a solid bar with a Lathe and a Mill,
3, Sand Casting Steel, I'm watching to see how you do it, I may learn something
Looking like Keith Rucker may have some parts to make for you.. this is right up his alley..
Well, with all due respect to your great library of skills, I would suggest, at the very least, you make a consultation with another well-respected tradesman - a machinist! Keith Rucker (another famous UA-camr comes immediately to mind). There are many ways to repair that but, properly repaired (and I mean to a degree that the machine could once again be a dependable working piece of equipment) will require a very skilled and experienced set of hands. Seeing you in cahoots with Keith Rucker would be a real treat.
I keep remembering something my Dad told me when I was a kid… “A manure spreader is the one piece of equipment that the manufacturer will never stand behind.” 😆
But there are a lot of people who should be made to ride in one until they get spread on a field.
Old millwright trick, when you have to heat metal up to loosen it use perifen wax melted on it when the metal cools it is still lubed and will come apart better.
Dave, check out Josh Topper. I believe he's in Minnesota. He could either braze and rebore the bushing, or turn new one. Yes, Kurt's at CEE, but he's in Australia. Keith Rucker, too. Or Windy Hill Foundry to cast new parts. Love watching! It will all go back together. We know you can do it.
For those who watch CEE, I love to hear Curtis show a video of a spreader and show what the part does. Keith Rucker could certainly turn and bore a new one.
I am for sure they could help. I would probably (i not a machinist just do some machining for my self and not so god at it) bore out the hole and make a new insert.
The bushing i would probable make out of bronze with a grease fitting.
Oddly you watch the same channels that I do.
@@butter262apparently we all do
Yah, Kurt would have the skills to get it fixed up right, but he being in Oz and the part not being off a big mining rig... Then 'my mechanics' popped into my mind but he's over in Switzerland... still, I definitely agree that Dave should seek out one of the US-based machinists that have YT channels for a collaboration.
5:09 I've read that the best way to unstick rusted parts is a homemade penetrating oil consisting of 50% Acetone and 50% Automatic Transmission Fluid. I have not tried it myself but I've seen multiple mentions of it being extremely effective.
awesome to watch this process. Can't wait to see this piece of equipment slinging poop! I know he will get it working soon enough.
Funny how the years weld stuff together. Also, that spreader worked for years as it ate thru that bushing, and kept working and working and working.
Another episode of "this is over a hundred years old and it is absolutely hammered but I'm gonna fix it anyway" sir you never cease to impress. As for the worn-through metal I would imagine you're either gonna end up welding it up and turning a new bushing, or building a mold around it, casting new metal into it, and machining it. One way or the other, a lot of work. I hope we get to watch, whatever you decide.
I can't wait to see what you do with it.
when I was a youngling my dad trained me on his later model spreader. all metal, grease fittings at all critical points. it was wheel driven, dont know the make. I qualified expert on loading and unloading ! when you finish with the repairs I'll be honored to help fill it for testing purposes
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I can smell that BLASTER burning all the way down here in the Ozarks!!!
I would be tempted to bore out the housing on the mill just enough to round out the bore and press in a modern bearing (forget the bushing). Unless it must be "original" when restored.
Dave, I respectfully submit that if you look at the "wear" on the insert, the outside is extremely thin and the inside is quite a bit more substantial. My belief (from here) is that someone tried to service/repair something and then they couldn't get it back together, they drilled a new hole, off center and not parallel to the existing hole. I'm wondering if it doesn't need to be filled is with some new weld and "aged" using your vinegar & iron chips method.
Regardless, it looks like it's going to be a very interesting puzzle!
I have no idea what you will do with your spreader but I am confident you will rebuild it to working condition.
Hi Dave, do you have a Magnetic Drill press? Magnet Drill Presses are Amazing Tools that Lock Magnetically down tight on metal. Creating a Stabel secure Platform to drill Holes.
The best option is an American Made Mill. Put a Copper plate under the part to be welded as barrier and use a Buildup Weld for all metal and no Salge.
Mill all surface's flat and Smooth with a 4 Flute end Mill where you Bolts are located. Use the X - Y of the Table to move around and locate your dead Center for Drill your Holes.
It occurred to me that every single person involved in the design and manufacture of this old machine is long gone! I'm going to really enjoy this restoration, Dave.
Isnt it amazing how those set screws came right out after more than 100 years. We love your videos. I worked for my great grandads brother in his blacksmith shop holding peopls teams while they got shod by him during my summers in Pennsylvania. He was old timey(made most of his own shoes and many different irons for the farmers around here) Thanks for the memories. Bill
First thought is to spin out new bushings on the lathe. Or weld up the damage and repair the original on a lathe.
If you can make a pattern, Windy Hill Foundry can make replacements.
Dave: I'm thinking your channel's tagline should be "Success comes to those who persevere." I look forward to your videos. I respect your commitment to restoring horse-drawn equipment and the care you take to catalogue how the work is done. Blessing for you in the new year.
It would be relatively easy to make / cast a new bush as it is concentric and lends itself to being turned.
Thanks for showing us this interesting project. Regarding repairs/restorations, perhaps you only need to restore it to the standard where its function can be demonstrated now and again? Can't think this muck spreader will be put to work again like it was originally intended to do?
Since this machine will probably not be used to spread fertilizer across fields anymore, fixing the worn out bearing with babbitt will probably be just fine.
A good name for this Honey Wagon would be Humpty Dumpty. So many pieces that only Dave could put back together again. I think you would benefit from using an Air Chisel and a set of deep Impact sockets that fit square nuts
Blacksmith bolt sells the sockets.
Yeah I don't know i think his slow and steady heat and hand wins the race instead of snapping things off.. and i still enjoy watching him wrestling off stubborn irons ...
Can't fight rust when you're liquid!
@@chuckthebull
Wow that is a lot of wear.
Thank you for the video.
I laughed when I saw the brass punch with the Acme threads. I have a couple, old gate valve stems!
When you started dismantling I gave you two chances of getting the gears off...slim and NONE. Great patience and persistance.
My thoughts exactly. Buckley’s and none! Glad to see that Buckley won through patience & perseverance.
I have watched him do it so many times i had a bit of confidence.
I now know who that bumper sticker never give up came from had to ben Dave 😊👍
PB BLASTER is your friend. I used it rebuilding a automotive engine. Works great. I’m so interested on the mechanics of that machine. Look forward to ALL your videos. 🎉 HAPPY NEW YEAR 🎆
Maybe do a little cross channel action and see if you can get Abom to help repair the worn out bushing?
Thats what's so great about metal, in the right hands, it can be repaired and made usable again. I have no doubts you will repair the boss and the bushing.
Thanks!
I think that idler has an oil hole in it on its rolling face.
You might be able to cut that bushing out an old crank shaft. I'd prolly bore out the frame and plug it with a piece of continuous cast (be a bit expensive though).
Starting out good with lots of things to redo. Looking forward to a fun trip Dave. Stay safe and have fun while you work. Fred.
This can be fixed👍
A lot of wearing on the bushing anyone else would be a nightmare but for you Dave it is child’s play 😀 The journey begins. 😀👍👍👍
Great video!!! I hope you continue to record more of the same. I like to see history brought back to life. Thanks….
This is going to be one of the best builds. Can't wait to see it rise again.
this will be really great challenge, but we all are sure, your gonna make it!
If it were me, I would weld up the frame and bore the hole for the bushing. I would make a new bushing, either whole or you could bore out the bushing, retaining the collar and the lug and then insert a new bushing into the collar, welding or sweating it into place. This would retain the majority of the original iron and repair the damage.
Fun to watch the removal. I use to use the same technique for taking apart old iron, but have shifted from a hammer to a pneumatic hammer. Places more impacts per minute than I am capable of and makes life much easier. You can also use an electric hammer. I have made steel and bronze bits for different applications.
Thanks for sharing and a Very Happy New Year to you and the family.
Man oh man does this dismantling take the patience of Job! I had one of these derelict farm equipment pieces that I bought and moved to the side of my front driveway 28 years ago. I sold it when I moved but I was just thinking perhaps I should have kept so some of the parts could have been used for this project as it was in quasi working order. I love these old pieces. As a kid my dad drove a team of horses for all their farm work implements. I also had a dump rake and a 56’ Willys 4wd pickup all original. Should could kept them in retrospect. Love these videos.
Man every since I was a kid in the 60’s and use to see this run down wagon in a shed, I’ve always wanted to do this kind of stuff but didn’t know where or who for help or guidance. I see your daughter getting involved with this project. Keep up the outstanding work sir!
Clark at Windy Hill Foundry may be able to cast new parts for you. I watch his channel on UA-cam and he does a lot of off parts. Love what you do and thanks for bringing us along for the journey!
There's a few people suggesting WHF. So far as I know they only go as far as cast iron, not cast steel. Maybe they can do it, or maybe they could if asked. Maybe the part would work in cast iron, though it takes quite a beating in use, but perhaps it will never be used to spread more than a token demonstration amount of stuff after restoration. Seems to me, if he can repair the bracket, it would be a better option. The bush is less of an issue, make a new one from whatever is to hand, bronze would work I guess for the amount of use it will ever get, or even just mild steel.
If I ran into that wear problem and I lived in the U.S., I think I’d contact Kieth Rucker who also has a great channel here. He is a highly skilled machinist who restores old machinery. If anyone has good answers, he will have them.
I'd put the old bushing into the housing, back it with a sand box and pour a filler, perhaps silica bronze as you would a babbit bearing and redrill the center hole or just use a dowel of hardwood as a filler and then redrill after the pour. It will never see the use it used to see and as a museum piece everything remains operable and original. One could turn the old bushing 90 degrees to reduce pressure on the filler when in operation but that would mean moving the tab. Thanks for the videos and may God bless you and yours.
Yay, here again , yea that piece is lookin' shot.
In the process of taking apart a 1929 Dunbar popcorn wagon on a 1929 Chev 1 1/2 ton truck. Love to see your patience in removing those shafts. As an amateur machinist and a consumer of a lot of UA-cam I would have the frame brazed and machined and a new bushing machined out of steel. The sprocket I would just leave as it will function just find as the only thing it will probably significantly spread going forward is smiles. Great project!
I have no doubt you will resolve the problems
It seems to me that turning a new piece to replace the insert would be the best approach to get back into spec. Dave has a metal lathe and that part is not too complicated. Maybe do a set up to bore out the large casting (to whatever extent is possible) and then turn the od of the insert to suit. Also bore the id of the insert to match the beater shaft. I have no doubt it will get a reliable fix one way or another; it’s the Engle way! Good luck. 🥸👍👀✅❗️
Well Dave you have proven to be a woodworker, carpenter, blacksmith, welder and more now we will see you as a machinist.
Don't forget Archeologist. 🙂🙂
@@glencrandall7051 You are so correct…what an interesting artist. Also forgot a seamstress as well.
For my 2 cents, I'd braze up the part worn out of the big casting and have it bored and have a new bushing made. If this were meant to go back into service I'd go with Oilite bushings. But as this will likely be a show piece once finished, matching the original will probably be best.
I have say I'm really impressed with how well that old iron has held up. I would have thought a manure spreader that old would have long since turned to rust with manure tending to be sort of corrosive.
Id say you could reproduce that worn bushing out of wood and have it recast by windy hill foundry located in Mississippi. The notch worn in the frame could be braze filled.
Don’t have any suggestions that don’t already know how to do. Preheat and a nonferrous rod that you can remove after, over bore sleeve/fill
Dave, I would think twice before attempting to fill that void by welding with either brass (i.e. oxy/acetylene) or stainless steel (electric arch), unless you happen to know a magician welder. Even if the void is successfully filled, the base material is so thin where it’s worm that it would almost certainly crack post welding, no matter how slowly it is cooled (rule of thumb is to never try to fill a void that is deeper than the base material…). The good news is that the damage is in a low (mechanical) stress location. Additionally, the load case is compressive. All that is needed to effect a repair is the filling of the void to support the bushing (which is seeing the higher load) as well as provide an original appearance. To that end, I suggest babbitt might be the material to use as a filler. Babbitt and cast iron have a long and successful relationship going back to the earliest days of the industrial revolution. It would be a simple matter to machine a plug to fill the bushing bore, and pour the worn out void. Or even fill the entire bushing bore and worn void and machine to whatever size you like. Pre and post stress relieving a babbitt repair is not necessary as it would be with a weld. There is a bit of craft associated with pouring babbitt, but it’s much less challenging than welding old dirty corroded cast iron. Babbitt is getting difficult to find. Let me know if you need help. Cheers!
Really looking forward to this series. Complex mechanics there. My suggestion is chat to Keith Rucker who runs a channel on vintage machinery restoration on UA-cam!
Dave, I can literally smell the PB Blaster and burnt rusty smell of the metal. Awesome stuff !! Thanks.
Maybe you could talk to Keith Rucker and Clark Easterling about casting and milling you new bushings.
A good welder can weld the line bore the bushing and housing
Dave, I’m sure you know the direction you’re going to fix the bushing. A new bushing needs to be turned on a lathe, meaning you could make a few bushings for nos, lol. On the steel cast, weld in the worn out material and bore it out with whatever machine you have access to.
Only Dave could use that torch so close to dry old wood without setting fire to the whole thing....
Heat, beat and repeat!!😉
Hi Dave,
Perhaps you might consider using a high nickel rod to build up that bushing and even the frame. The high nickel would suck up lots of carbon with a low tendency for cracking. As you well know, high preheats and multiple, small passes are better.
All the best in 2024 to you and Diane!
I'm thinking turn up a new bearing insert in a grade of steel similar to what cast steel would be (EN58 maybe? Or cut a suitable chunk from a engine crankshaft?) and weld a piece on to the rim to mimick the block cast into the original. You could weld up the original but it would require a lot of heating and proper cooling after and you'd still end up on the lathe boring and trueing it afterwards anyway.
18:10 a lot of machine work is gonna be needed. If it were me I would make a silicon bronze bushing to replace the steel one, it would last a lot longer. Then on the bracket I would bore it out round and weld a sleeve back in.
Hi, Dave. I just had a moment of inspiration. When the manure spreader is fully rebuilt you could ship it of to Washington. There is probably a lot of work for it there.🤣 Now on a more serious note, I'm finding this project gets more interesting with every video. Thanks for another fine video.
Lots of bovine excrement in DC to shovel..
That bushing makes me think of the kind of work that Kurtis @CuttingEdgeEngineering does, but on a bit smaller scale. Fill it with good welding rod and bore it back out to size.
If it were mine. I’d powder torch or braze up the wear in the housing, rebore the ID. Cut a new bushing out of oil lite bronze and run a grease zerk or grease cup in lieu of the oil hole, since it will instantly plug with manure again if you use it for its intended purpose.
U have a few options. U could make that bushing out of wood and pour a new one. U could try brazing it up and redrilling it. Either way u will need to braze the main part up or weld it and redrill it. Something along those lines. It depends on if u intend to use it on a regular basis and future wear
Thats gonna be a nice machine again, Thanks for bringing us along on the rebuild
Only thing I can tell you is that you got this. Just like you always have. 👍💪
I would consult that talented daughter.
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Dave, as far as your badly worn "wear bushing" goes, make a drawing as accurate as possible in case your possible weld repair of the cast steel doesn't work out. In the worst case, you could get a piece of "raw stock" steel bar or shafting and turn a replacement piece on your lathe if it is still capable of cutting metal (I know that you use it for turning wood). If you need lathework done and your lathe isn't up to the task, you could farm the lathework out to a local(?) Machine Shop or even to someone that watches your videos and has a suitable metal-cutting lathe. Farming the replacement bushing work out is why you'd need an accurate drawing with all dimensions and their tolerances.
If you wanted to go overboard with an original-looking replacement bushing, you might be able to find a small foundry that is capable of casting steel for you. Windy Hill Foundry (here on UA-cam) tends to mostly do cast iron work, but also does brass & bronze I think. Clarke _may_ be able to cast steel also, but you'd have to ask about that. Some viewers may be able to cast steel in home foundries too. You or whoever does the cast steel work for you could use the worn bushing as a starting point to make a pattern either from scratch or by adding a removable material into the worn areas to make a pattern.
On that very worn part: As a viewer I'm thinking "pfft, you got this!" - being a victim or your own success, we pretty much now expect you to perform miracles on iron. Which is a bit unfair; so I'm very keen on seeing how this turns out and I wish you luck. My only advise being "talk to the Engels Coach guy, he'll know what to try". :^). So talk to yourself.
looks like you will have to weld it up and re bore it and as far as the bushing you can do a lost wax casting and reshape the main hole in the cast and repour it and with a little machine work it would be as good as new. i do really enjoy your work you sir are a master of your craft.
I feel like this project calls for a dead-blow hammer! My hands hurt just watching all the hammering you had to do!
Or buy a pneumatic air hammer they make then in different sizes auto mechanics use them to free up rusted parts.
Dave consider turning a new hub for the bearing/shaft. The eccentric caused by the wear could be filled in with brass filler rod as the frame seams to be cast iron.
windy hill foundry for a new bushing and keith rucker for the repair...both have great channels on youtube.
Since you asked, I think I would repair the housing and machine a new bushing to fit that. I enjoy your videos.
You've done more with less. Just because it was cast steel doesn't mean it has to be. You can turn a new bushing, and if you want machine/grind the rounds and tapers and maybe sand blast to roughen it up a little....or not. Put a half round in the casting where it's worn and braze it. I couldn't make it look good, but I'm confident you can. Thanks for showing us all the hard work. It will be one of the nicest manure spreaders I've seen once it's done.
I'd be tempted to have a new bushing machined. The housing could be welded up and re-drilled maybe?
i'm 71 and when i think about starting a new project i consider if i'm trying to bite off more than i can chew . if you get this one completed it will be a life time achievement . make sure you sign it so people will know who resurrected this spreader another 100 years from now . i hope to see it finished .. good video
At 66 now i have to remember i'm not 20 and full of piss and vinegar anymore and throttle back my desire to jump in and take on another project ..i already have a boat load ..