I have both motors and I think the Tongsheng is better than the BBS02 for the way I ride. It makes me work just enough and allows me to regulate speed by pedaling pressure. I don't use a throttle with it, I don't need it. The BBS02 might be better for a cargo bike, or if you want to ride your bike more like a motorcycle. The BBS02 lacks finesse. Thanks for the video!
Thanks for the different videos you have added on the pros and cons of the bafang and tongsheng. I have just installed a 500w 48v tongsheng after watching them, as I just need some assistance to get me up the steep hills we have here in North Devon, UK. 😀
I have no experience with the Bafang motors but I am very happy with the throttle on the two TSDZ2's I've done. I have to go along a narrow, winding dirt footpath to my house and I can change from braking to throttle instantly. Also it's very controllable when I want to walk the bike very slowly up a steep slope, like up a wooden plank on top of steps. I didn't use the e-brakes and have never had any need for them. I bought the 48v 750W versions and made my own LiFePO4 15s3p 32700 cell battery, which fits nicely into an Amazon triangle bag. The second bike I made a smaller, lighter battery LifePO$ 15s2p 26650 as I only need 20km range. Grazie. Subscribed.
I use a throttle and get really good results. I've been doing 20 miles a day commuting to work and back. I'm running a 250 watt rear hub motor and it's been pretty good done several thousand miles on it.
Ciao Luke, Thanks for sharing your thoughts and experience of both motors.. I recently built an ebike on a bbshd kit. Next planning to build another ebike with Tongsheng kit 😊
Why do you prefer Bafang for traffic? I would think the more natural pedal assist on the TSDZ2 would give you better control for weaving through tight traffic. I plan on converting a road bike for commuting in the city and am leaning toward the Tongsheng 750W.
There's no right or wrong: I also used the TSDZ2 through tight traffic in Paris and it did the job! It's just that the Bafang one reacts more instantly and gives overall more power due to its implementation, not only because of the cadence sensor. BTW, this is just talking about stock settings. I'm making a new video about playing with the TSDZ2 firmware and that could change things :)
@@LukeLorusso I thought the torque sensor would be more instantaneos than the cadence sensor? Or maybe because bafang gives more power with less effort so it seems instantaneous? I'll definitely check out your TSDZ2 firmware video. Is the firmware compatible with the new TSDZ2B?
So I spent some time yesterday looking for the tongsheng, and though you can still find it, lots of places which used to have it are no longer carrying it or have limited supply. I read that baafang sued tongsheng which is why they are no longer being sold in some places. Kinda disappointing as we already didn't have that many options for diy ebikes. I can't find any info on the lawsuit, just read it in a forum, so don't take my word for it, but this is what I read.
What model is the bike? I've installed a TSDZ2 on a Rockrider 8.2 and it is good. Using a smaller front sprocket I can use all the gears on the cassette, whereas on my Giant Cypress, I can't get the full range.
Hi Luke, thank you for all the insights! Just installed a TSDZ2B myself yesterday. There is a 2,5cm pedal asymmetry, means the right pedal is 2,5cm further away from the frame then the left one. That seems to me is a general design flow. How are you dealing with it?
oh that's weird... is it on the pedal or on the lever? not sure if I can help you, but try to take a pic and upload it somewhere, maybe I can be somhow helpful
@@LukeLorusso Well, pedal or crank, depends on how you want to view it. So you are saying your cranks are centered to the frame? The right crank is not further from the frame then the left one?
Hey, as I said in this video, I personally prefer the Bafang on steep climbs. Go check the comparison video if you want to know more: ua-cam.com/video/T7ve958hJXE/v-deo.html or the Bafang riding video: ua-cam.com/video/wqj-kWgJCqw/v-deo.html
the motor's cables are enough, in case of a rack battery is the battery cable that should be long enough to arrive to the motor's plugs. most likely it is, and worst case scenario you can buy extra cable
I have both motors and I think the Tongsheng is better than the BBS02 for the way I ride. It makes me work just enough and allows me to regulate speed by pedaling pressure. I don't use a throttle with it, I don't need it. The BBS02 might be better for a cargo bike, or if you want to ride your bike more like a motorcycle. The BBS02 lacks finesse. Thanks for the video!
It's amazing that you're the only one making such a good comparison of these two motors. After much debate, I've decided to go with the tongsheng.
I agree, the torque sensing feature seems like the best way to maximise battery life for long journeys
Thanks for the different videos you have added on the pros and cons of the bafang and tongsheng. I have just installed a 500w 48v tongsheng after watching them, as I just need some assistance to get me up the steep hills we have here in North Devon, UK. 😀
I have no experience with the Bafang motors but I am very happy with the throttle on the two TSDZ2's I've done. I have to go along a narrow, winding dirt footpath to my house and I can change from braking to throttle instantly. Also it's very controllable when I want to walk the bike very slowly up a steep slope, like up a wooden plank on top of steps. I didn't use the e-brakes and have never had any need for them. I bought the 48v 750W versions and made my own LiFePO4 15s3p 32700 cell battery, which fits nicely into an Amazon triangle bag. The second bike I made a smaller, lighter battery LifePO$ 15s2p 26650 as I only need 20km range. Grazie. Subscribed.
I use a throttle and get really good results. I've been doing 20 miles a day commuting to work and back. I'm running a 250 watt rear hub motor and it's been pretty good done several thousand miles on it.
Ciao Luke, Thanks for sharing your thoughts and experience of both motors.. I recently built an ebike on a bbshd kit. Next planning to build another ebike with Tongsheng kit 😊
Why do you prefer Bafang for traffic? I would think the more natural pedal assist on the TSDZ2 would give you better control for weaving through tight traffic. I plan on converting a road bike for commuting in the city and am leaning toward the Tongsheng 750W.
There's no right or wrong: I also used the TSDZ2 through tight traffic in Paris and it did the job!
It's just that the Bafang one reacts more instantly and gives overall more power due to its implementation, not only because of the cadence sensor.
BTW, this is just talking about stock settings. I'm making a new video about playing with the TSDZ2 firmware and that could change things :)
@@LukeLorusso I thought the torque sensor would be more instantaneos than the cadence sensor? Or maybe because bafang gives more power with less effort so it seems instantaneous? I'll definitely check out your TSDZ2 firmware video. Is the firmware compatible with the new TSDZ2B?
Please do that single battery both motor range test please
So I spent some time yesterday looking for the tongsheng, and though you can still find it, lots of places which used to have it are no longer carrying it or have limited supply. I read that baafang sued tongsheng which is why they are no longer being sold in some places. Kinda disappointing as we already didn't have that many options for diy ebikes. I can't find any info on the lawsuit, just read it in a forum, so don't take my word for it, but this is what I read.
I read about that too... at the moment you can still find some on ebay from european stock. that might be a real problem for the near future
What model is the bike? I've installed a TSDZ2 on a Rockrider 8.2 and it is good. Using a smaller front sprocket I can use all the gears on the cassette, whereas on my Giant Cypress, I can't get the full range.
Hi Luke, thank you for all the insights! Just installed a TSDZ2B myself yesterday. There is a 2,5cm pedal asymmetry, means the right pedal is 2,5cm further away from the frame then the left one. That seems to me is a general design flow. How are you dealing with it?
oh that's weird... is it on the pedal or on the lever?
not sure if I can help you, but try to take a pic and upload it somewhere, maybe I can be somhow helpful
@@LukeLorusso Well, pedal or crank, depends on how you want to view it. So you are saying your cranks are centered to the frame? The right crank is not further from the frame then the left one?
You are right, it's a design flaw, but I've got a very flat left foot so my pedalling positions are weird anyway so i never notice it.
Hi luke.
The first sory for mi englisch.
Good video but I haved one questioning.
Witch is bether for ascent.
Thank you for the aswer
Hey, as I said in this video, I personally prefer the Bafang on steep climbs.
Go check the comparison video if you want to know more: ua-cam.com/video/T7ve958hJXE/v-deo.html
or the Bafang riding video: ua-cam.com/video/wqj-kWgJCqw/v-deo.html
Luke, thank you
I missed these two videos.
Good job
Where is your place? Very beautiful city .
Thanks man! It's in the location field, above the title: Bari (and surroundings) 😊
If you had a rear rack battery would the motor cables be long enough?
the motor's cables are enough, in case of a rack battery is the battery cable that should be long enough to arrive to the motor's plugs. most likely it is, and worst case scenario you can buy extra cable