Thanks so much for providing this video and to George for his technical knowledge. I had trouble with my original ALP control panel buzzing and figured it would get fixed when I replaced it with the new Arcade Control Panel. It was worse. This past weekend I followed your video: attached nuts to the exciters with the double sided tape and even found that the panel was loose as well. The double sided tape I had was not a foam-based item like yours but more thin and malleable, so I used a piece of that under both sides of the panel instead of felt. It is incredible! No more buzzing! Even the really heavy bass tables (I'm looking at you, Space Invaders) sound awesome with no distortion. Thanks again for a great video. It really helped!
Good advice and video I performed this on mine today. It works as should. Thanks for the Information and instructions. Makes playing more fun with this mod.
Ok, so thank you for all of the tips from the video and from the comments on this video, I tried them all to end the rattling. They helped, I’m sure BUT I think I found a big factor in the ongoing sound issue/rattle by the controls. Before you load your pinball board make sure your main page volume (use the buttons by the back glass) is set at a decent level (like 80) and THEN load your board if you want it to sound right. What I noticed is that when you have your main screen volume low (like 10) before you enter the board… the sound is gonna be jacked up when the board starts, and your gonna see you get a lot more sound trying to be pushed through the speakers/vibrators near your hands for some reason… try it… Go back at the main screen, use your manual volume controls and turn the volume up to 80-100 or so, and NOW load the board…. Hopefully it’s a win. I don’t know the science, I don’t know the reason, but my machine sounds beautiful when ensuring that the main screen has a high volume going into the pinball game. My presets were the (90,55,45) you guys said to do, thanks again!
Excellent! Thank you for the update. I was really bummed to have the rattle issue out of the box. Thank goodness for your video and help! This exact fix worked for me. I still submitted a ticket to AT Games support so they can address the issue in future ALP waves.
80s arcade pins often defaulted to 'obnoxiously loud' in order to attract players over the din on a commercial arcade. I know because I used to have seven of them in my game room and it was insanely loud in there if all were powered up. So, when I first bought my atgames pin, I thought there must have been something wrong with it. I ended up modifying to hold larger speakers. I used no external speaker drivers, but even so, the bass response improved dramatically.
Yeah, it seems kinda janky but works surprisingly well. I don't have the newer control panel yet so I don't know if the design is the same and will work on it as well but I'm quite happy with the results and have been playing it daily
@@neehooya I’m sure the OP did this to show how to get results without ordering new exciters and at a fraction of the cost. He probably spent a total of $5.99 vs $26 with good-great results. Salute to @show-me retro!!!
Hey thanks so much for that video sound fix, works wonders ! No need to remplace exciters at all , sound settings at 90/55/45 and medium to high haptics is just another experience on all tables, zac pack included !
I have the stock control panel. My unit is relatively new and I was about to open this thing up! Then, I tried the new Taito table packs. I noticed the audio was mixed so that nothing was distorted and the exciters were dialed in. Pretty much like it should have been in the first place. But my original tables were still off the charts with the audio and rumble. After a firmware update yesterday, I can now set every single table to the same audio mix. Even Rescue 911 and Wipeout with the super loud helicopter and drum solo respectively, sound quite nice in the mix and don't buzz anymore. I was really concerned about this, so hopefully the trend continues.
Ok i now have the arcade panel and unfortunately these fixes don't seem to work. I have been able to set haptics on med with some modifications but haptics on high is unattainable no matter the mods
That was a complicated equation that George Lin guy came up with. I think we all missed that class in High School. Lol. Glad you could find a fix. Should have been like that out of the box though.
Okay, call me a boob, 'cause that's what I am. When I first put my ALP together I connected the HDMI cable as instructed, but I didn't see the black connector for the lines running to the marquee and speakers. No wonder my sound has been horrible! The only audio I had was coming through the exciters. Everything sounds great now, especially after adding the larger Dayton exciters for the haptics.
Thanks for this update, I'll probably stick with the lower sound settings for now as it appears the haptics are in the panel which I'm going to be replacing with the arcade controller and if I have buzzing with that, then I'll try this fix!
Great video. Just got mine and I hate the buzzing. For now, I've opted to turn off the haptics completely and play it more as a video game. Like you said, whatever works!
ALP W10E, for a couple months with buzzing only on some tables. Thanks so much for the information. I've added 2 fishing weights and it seems to fix the buzzing with high volume settings. Tried various padding to no effect. Firmware update helped considerably. I see a number of complaints with AtGames and the problem could be better handled. In turn, it's not a perfect world. Even with the buzzing, really like this machine.
Thought I'd share an extra step i took. Thanks to this video I did the nut idea. I welded the inside half way up to add a bit more weight. Glued the plastic Legends piece down around the corners. But I think the topper was putting the soft side of velcro tape on both sides and bottom where the side panels go over the deck. Had to push down to screw the side panels back on. So its super snug. I can seemingly do any volume now. Thanks for giving me the start. Definitely suggest something on the sides and bottom under the side panels.
The "buzzing" is coming from the plastic pannel vibrating caused by the exciters. The plastic pannel has two screws on top with nothing on the bottom on the control pannel at least. I think it is the same with the original. My fix was putting gaffers tape underneath the plastic to absorb the vibrations though a thick foam would work better and then taping the plastic down on top. ATgames can fix this with a strip of foam around plastic edges under the plastic and having screws do keep the bottom part in place. That's all they need to do.
Thanks for the video! I think this helped, but games with a lot of bass still rattle the panel quite a bit. I was just able to completely stop it by sliding playing cards under the left and right sides of the front bar and adding more until the buzzing went away. I have four on the left and three on the right. A temporary fix at best, but surprisingly worked better than the rubber pads I had put under the bar. So ridiculous that I have to do all this after shelling out so much cash! AtGames support was of no help whatsoever, acting as if this were an isolated incident. Ha! Way to QA your product before sending it out the door!
Couldn't agree more. I bought this table as part of their NOD-A deal about a month ago. I figured by now, they would have had all the bugs fixed. Boy was I wrong.
This was a great video. And glad you gave credit for the fix. New to Virtual pinball. Couldn't wait to get this open and running. Not hating. Not mad. Just curious... Question: Why does it seem that no one is upset or angry at the Atgames company? Surely they knew there was major problems with the exciters. And were sending out a faulty product. I went to their UA-cam videos and I did not see that they posted any fix, themselves. I saw no acknowledgement of the issue at all. So, curious, why is everyone so unbelievably ok with this?
That's a great question. I think people, including myself have just come to accept that Atgames probably isn't going to fix the problem until the next ALP revision with a different design. I also think they just want people ro set the levels low enough as ro not cause any rattling and buzzing but those settings are far too low ro hear and feel the things you should when playing pinball at normal levels. Trust me, I am upset but I suppose we're giving them a pass since Atgames is encouraging the community to modify their machines ro enjoy them however they choose... by adding pc support, vibs board, control panels etc. They probably feel the majority of the ALP buyers will just fix it themselves or improve on the design. That's just my opinion... hope that answers your question
1 word..... Price. We've accepted the fact that for $699 compared to crappy A1U tables, a little needed modding is fine, if that's the worst thing. Yeah it sucks and they should really acknowledge the issue, but what can ya do?
@@FilthTribeFTP Ditto. I fucking love this thing. A1up truly blows in comparison. I haven't changed my mind about the exciters. I had to just turn em off. But, for the price and how we figured out hooking up our pc... this thing rocks. Thanks to steam and PBFX3. But, I did still bolt from tech support from AtGLPB, because they said "The product isn't faulty. It's the setting." I know SOME people were able to fix the ones THEY received, with settings changes. But that didn't work with mine at all. Did a few different things past changing the settings. All kinds of tricks suggested, too. The ONLY people who really helped were the other costumers. AtGLPB support was lackluster at best. Nothing bugs me more than lying to my face. How, how, how can so many consumers know there were major issues with some of the exciters in some of the units (that could not be simply fixed by sound settings) and not the people who manufactured it? C'mon...... maaaan.
Show-Me Retro, Thank you for the update! I ended up buying the controller panel add-on for my Legends Pinball and it had the same exciter problem (especially when using CoinOpsX). My solution? I just unplugged the exciters. I used your original volume settings back in the day, and my first impression was, just like you, I couldn't hear the music. I've since adjusted my volume settings, kind of like what you did now, so I could hear the music along with everything else. BUT, it doesn't fix every sound issue, unfortunately... The Legends Pinball has an overall volume issue when you switch between Gottlieb tables to Magic Pixel tables (Zaccaria and Taito) and vice versa. The Gottlieb tables play louder, so when I go from a Gottlieb table to a Zaccaria table, I have to turn up the main volume by 20% or more to hear the Zaccaria table clearly. Then if I switch back to a Gottlieb table from the Zaccaria table, I have to turn the main volume down by 20% or more, or it will be blasting loud. I do hope AtGames can figure out a solution for this and firmware it :) I'm glad you found a solution that works for you and that you shared it with the community. It's something I might consider in the future. For now, I'm just going to keep the exciters unplugged. Sure, I miss the haptic feedback, but Legends Pinball is still a good enough experience (for me) without it. I hope someday AtGames will find a solution to the exciter buzzing problem that doesn't require a hardmod, but at least what you showed was easy to perform :) Thanks again for sharing and have a great one! vgv
Appreciate the comment! Yeah, I really wish they could come up with a software solution to this nut foe no w I'm able to keep the exciters on medium (on high until a few updates ago) and it didn't cost me anything. I too ordered the control panel on NOD and will get on Thu so hopefully things will sound better but I have a feeling weights will still be needed 🤞
I think the reason is that they are way underpowered so in doing so it deadens the vibration. People have gone that route but usually they upgrade the exciters first
thanks for this info, really helpful. I have the ungraded control panel, with major sound distortion and haptic buzzing. What of this content, if any, is applicable to the new panel? TIA
I currently don't own the control panel so I can't confirm whether this will help or not. However it definitely wouldn't make it sound worse. I can guarantee
SO are these things worth keeping or just junk ones and should we just replace with some dayton exciters or other ones ? Or can they be moved to a better location like the wall ?Rather open up just once. Thanks. Informative vid.
That depends and kinda hard to answer. Most likely you will want to replace unless you're experienced and swapping them out with Dayton exciters might be a better option
Ive have this issue and the fix has reduced it slightly, but its very much still present. I cannot use the same settings as you as the rattle is unplayable. My exciters look very different to yours also. it just seems to be on one side of the unit causing the issue. I only get the rattle when the control board is facing in the position it is meant to be in (when i am applying the fix / have the control panal upside-down, theres no issue (assuming this is because the weight is pushing down on the exciter so the vibrations arent as amplified). Love the unit, just a shame the audio is poor
Hi, I just got my Legends Pinball machine yesterday. I appreciate the help from you and George. I noticed way too much bass rattling the front of the control panel while playing TX Sector last night. I did add the bolts with double sided tape. I thought my problem was solved until I put the lock bar back in place. Then the rattling bass continued. It seems the unwanted effect is coming from the sound vibrating through the plastic control panel plate with the AT GAMES logo. Any ideas on turning that bass down a bit?
@@JoeBoppyBop sometimes the table defaults to 100 upon start up which maxes everything out. I then put it to 55 before starting a table and everything is leveled out again. I can't comment on the double sided tape because tape made my problem worse early on for my wave 4 table. So keep in mind there is a slight design change of the exciters in how they are mounted when comparing older and newer waves. So I'm not sure if that has anything to do with it. But make sure you have at least 15 grams of weight on the exciters
I just received the control panel myself and I am shocked at how much worse it sounds that the original control deck. This fix really didn't help as much with the new panel, but I'm messing with it to try and find a work around
This has got to be a software issue. I just bought the pinball machine today. Without updating it I had no problem with this buzzing sound. I updated and now I have the bad buzzing.
I played mine for like 3 weeks playing only the original built in games and when I updated the machine the problems with nudging and alot of buzzing began
If you can't get the zac table volume to go back up after turning down for the other tables. Turn the volume to %100 then unplug it from the wall and plug it back in. It should return to normal at least it does for me
No offense...but if you had the volume of the music set to 3....wouldn't that explain why the cab was quiet...moreso than gluing a nut to the $.39 exciter that they provided with the cabinet?
I don't own the 1up pinball but I know people that did and sold it because it wasn't for them. It might look cooler but that's about the only thing it does better in my opinion.
One of the things it cleared up was massive buzzing when the table would time out and go in attract mode. Once the music kicked in it sounded horrible... not anymore
I made it... I talked about it briefly in my ep 2 Hobby Lobby video at the end. I should have made it a little skinnier and longer overall in hindsight but I'm still happy with it. Thanks for noticing!
BTW, great choice for a table mod. I just played the Stranger Things table a week ago at a barcade while on vacation and was blown away. Obviously I'm a huge ST fan having the sign and would love to see pic on the forum fan page when finished 😀
Yeah, it's not good on their part for not coming up with either a hardware fix(new panel design) or software audio routing fix. But I still am enjoying it
@@show-me-retro only reason i got legends pinball over Aup1 pinball cuz legends haves more futures like OTG mode and using your computer and playing more pinball games if atgames never have that OTG i probably never buy it . you can do so many modes to a legends pinball machine . right now i have a 27inch 3rd monitor on top my legends backglass. one day i like to build a bigger and new backglass box .. and i been using Pinball Emporium and it so great having 3 screen displays
@@funtyes1970 yeah, I really need to hook up that vins board. I'm enjoying the Zac and Taito tables mainly because of leaderboards. I love competing with other youtubers scores lol
I tried it with 4ea US nickels super glued together on the exciters for a total of 20 grams on each. The bass in the Black Hole table and the three others I tried still vibrates like mad in the left exciter. I'll try another nickel and see what happens.
Great video, but you shouldn’t have to fix this problem, we spend a lot of money on these machines and they should work right out of the box. Atgames needs to step up and provide a fix to the software. The problem is the music from the table is being pushed through the exciters and making the control panel vibrate and buzz. The exciters are just for the haptics. Does this fix work on the arcade control panel as well? Thanks for sharing.
Yeah, you're absolutely right and I didn't really want to get into the issue with Atgames in the video. It actually but was cut for time. I did this because it's clear they aren't going to do a hardware OR software fix until the next ALP revision. I'm also aware of what yhe actual problem is but I think that this is a pretty low tech and cheap fix which is why I decided to share. As far as it helping in the new control panel I cannot confirm. I'm waiting till a price drop since I believe it's way too expensive and the trackball is crap and needs a shim kit out of the box. But I'm happy with it now despite the previous sound problems. Appreciate the comment!
Are you sure putting weight on those exciters aren't gonna burn them out a lot quicker?? I found that simply putting double-sided tape above and below the exciters on each side worked wonders. Night and day difference.
I guess only time will tell. I tried the double sided tape method and mine sounded worse. I would love to see a tutorial on where you places it. But since I couldn't get results from foam or tape I came across George's post on this alternative
@@show-me-retro There a lot variables at play I'm guessing - between which wave your ALP purchase was (mine was Wave 10) along with having the OEM controller vs. the joystick/buttons replacement (which have slightly more powerful exciters). Since we both have different waves/controllers/exciters I can't rightfully say my fix will work for your unit. Anyways I placed a 2 inch strip above-and-below the exciter brackets on each side. Also my tape doesn't have any foam insulation so I'm curious why your setup needed more maintenance. Then again my volume levels and haptic feedback are roughly half your settings. Either way I'm happy you found another way of approaching this issue.
@@show-me-retro Correct, my Wave10 has fiberboard underneath the plexi with cut-outs for the exciters sitting in between and screwed to them. Having an exciter glued directly to the plexi is a big mistake, no wonder why there was so much distortion before you made changes. I have no clue what AtGames was thinking when they did that (?!?!?).
I like the idea but why not use super glue to fasten the exciter weights? My experience with dollar store double-sided tape has been less than satisfactory. I think users will be opening up their machine periodically to refasten the weights if they're using tape, particularly with all the vibration that is obviously going to occur. Just my .02 cents.
I have and unfortunately it doesn't work like the stock control panel. However there are a number of other inexpensive fixes for the arcade panel. Look in the official Atgames FB forums
@@show-me-retro thanks I'm trying to save a few bucks before I invest in the pc to go inside this thing. The option with control panel will be found. Where are the best forums? Reddit, FB or elsewhere?
leave all magic pixel tables default 50-50-63 and set haptics to medium. individually set all farsight tables to 37-4-3 haptics very low. double sided tape under the black plastic. use volume buttons up top as you wish (i like 80). no einstein equations or taping nuts n bolts needed.
Just a heads up, if you adjust volume with rockers while in game there is a nasty bug that can crop up where ALL of the sound will start coming from the exciters, not just the lows. The only thing that will fix it is a factory reset, which can lead to another set of problems.
Hopefully this new updated fix will correct any sound issues you might have on your ALP stock control panel. Special thanks to George Lin from the Official Atgames Fan Page on Facebook for coming up with this fix. He deserves 100% of the credit
Okay, I have my ALP sounding the best it probably ever could -- Gottlieb, Zaccaria, and Taito games all loud and distortion-free. I can even use the ALP backbox speakers for my VPX and FP games and love it. I don't detect any haptics in OTG mode, but the audio is clear with good volume. If there's any buzz at all from the exciters I'm not able to hear it, and it was painfully obvious before making the one change that has made this machine sound as it should have on day one. Here's what I did: I was a bit aggravated that I was being prompted to sign into ArcadeNet every single time I turned on the machine, so I found a post on the Facebook ALP Fan Group that said to do the following: 1. Do a factory reset of the ALP. This would mean losing any local data settings, but I would not have to enter my keys again for the purchased tables. To perform the reset you hold both the left-flipper and left-nudge buttons and turn on the machine. Don't release the buttons until the prompt appears for you to confirm that you want to do a factory reset. The process will take about 10 minutes or so. 2. When the machine has fully booted back up you will be on the original firmware. Make sure you don't do anything before you join your ALP to your local network and login to the AtGames network. I used the QR code to do mine. Don't change any settings, and by all means *DO NOT* UPGRADE THE FIRMWARE yet. Verify that you can play one of the add-on tables. Once you have done that, return to a home screen and turn the machine off. Count to 10. Power up the ALP, and you should no longer need to login again -- your credentials should be saved. 3. Here's where it gets really good. Upgrade to latest firmware. The updates are cumulative, so you can just accept the prompt to download and install the most recent version. 4. When the ALP has rebooted be prepared to enjoy all of your tables without changing any of the audio defaults. I find having the audio button controls set to 70 is ample, and I needed to only adjust audio on the Zac and Taito games from the default of 50 to the values George Lin recommended. Maybe a tweak or two here and there, but not much. I left the haptic strength on medium, but even testing at High setting produced no buzzing from my Dayton exciters, and I can't hear the music being piped through the exciters at all -- only the effects. I have switched back-and-forth between Gottlieb and Magic Pixel tables, and all my settings are holding -- no weird drop in volume on the Zac tables that I had before. A side benefit is that the Gottlieb tables show an image on the backglass when stepping through the table menu. I hope someone here can give this procedure a try and verify that it isn't just me. I am not imagining anything, the sound is spectacular. I have been letting the music track from the MEDIEVAL MADNESS Future Pinball game play through the ALP speakers the whole time I have been typing this, and the fidelity is great. I suspect somewhere along the way AtGames did address the audio channeling to the exciters, but installing successive firmware updates alone kept inheriting the problem. It took a full reset to square one and a leap to the new firmware to fix it for good and all.
Doing this now. I have to log in to my account every time I turn it on. I also remember that sound was perfect when I first turned the machine on. Once I applied the updates is when the sound issues started happening.
Very nice trick! No more need to log in. Had to do this twice. I am a software test engineer. Ha. First I did the upgrade with clean install and the saving of the username didn't take. Go with upgrade though and username is retained. As for the noise it seems to have helped. The true test is the gladiator table and I had to turn down the volume but sound seemed to come out the proper places. Still sound out the exciters but no as prominent. Other tables sound great! Others should give a try.
There are so many volume issues, this is only a band-aid for one of them. I like the potentiometer solution better for the exciters, but honestly when the sound is dialed in correctly you do not need any of this. Atgames should be embarrassed at how bad this really is.
Yes, you are correct. I'm happy with this since I couldn't really find a happy medium without setting the exciters on low which I didn't want to do.... what's the point of having them. But a band aid is probably the correct term, although I can really play at levels i couldn't before without compromises. Thanks for the comment
@@show-me-retro So what happens when you go into a got table and lower the volume to around 30, Then exit out and go into a zac table and turn the volume up to 70? Then go back to a got table and repeat? Everything works like normal? Did you even mention the volume button settings? I may have missed it. I may try this if the new defaults fix the other sound issues as well.
I never touch the volume settings by the back box. I did forget to mention what they were set at. Also, I do not play Got tables because I despise them (only because they aren't good quality compared to the others) but I did try Gladiatosr before uploading the video and it sounded great... as far as what the volume settings were on the unit itself I don't know. But the zac tables and Taito are set to 100% and the global settings i applied are for each table. I just loaded Gladiators and the master volume was set to 57 which sounds great with the in game settings at 90,55 and 45 and no buzzing or distortion. Hope this answers your question
@@show-me-retro You're probably right. I'm wondering, looking at it, if a smaller weight would help. I'm having a similar issue and the trade off, given the limited space with the cover... would a smaller weight make a difference? I was planning on tucking some felt or something under there for the vibration anyways.
@@show-me-retro yeah, got the front rail off and realized the plexi wasn't completely glued down either. So, I'm fixing that and adding some felt under the top rail tomorrow. Here's hoping it fixes the rattle.
Not really a buzz, it a rattle of the top laminate, I'd assume foam will prevent it. Not sure why atgames copped out on this... There is slight hum/buzz in the audio related to noise in the electronics.
There's a lot of horrible sounds... let's put it that way. But trust me, as janky as this band aid may seem it really works wonders. And yes, Atgames needs to take responsibility and come up with a solution
Thanks so much for providing this video and to George for his technical knowledge. I had trouble with my original ALP control panel buzzing and figured it would get fixed when I replaced it with the new Arcade Control Panel. It was worse. This past weekend I followed your video: attached nuts to the exciters with the double sided tape and even found that the panel was loose as well. The double sided tape I had was not a foam-based item like yours but more thin and malleable, so I used a piece of that under both sides of the panel instead of felt. It is incredible! No more buzzing! Even the really heavy bass tables (I'm looking at you, Space Invaders) sound awesome with no distortion. Thanks again for a great video. It really helped!
Hi, this video is great !! I've just bought the ALP in France (The 26th of April) and I ve decided to use this fix...it's awesome !! Thanks so much.
Good advice and video I performed this on mine today. It works as should. Thanks for the Information and instructions. Makes playing more fun with this mod.
Ok, so thank you for all of the tips from the video and from the comments on this video, I tried them all to end the rattling. They helped, I’m sure BUT I think I found a big factor in the ongoing sound issue/rattle by the controls.
Before you load your pinball board make sure your main page volume (use the buttons by the back glass) is set at a decent level (like 80) and THEN load your board if you want it to sound right.
What I noticed is that when you have your main screen volume low (like 10) before you enter the board… the sound is gonna be jacked up when the board starts, and your gonna see you get a lot more sound trying to be pushed through the speakers/vibrators near your hands for some reason… try it…
Go back at the main screen, use your manual volume controls and turn the volume up to 80-100 or so, and NOW load the board…. Hopefully it’s a win.
I don’t know the science, I don’t know the reason, but my machine sounds beautiful when ensuring that the main screen has a high volume going into the pinball game.
My presets were the (90,55,45) you guys said to do, thanks again!
Awesome!!! Thanks for this video. I just got my unit and that crazy vibration is killing my enjoyment of playing this machine.
Definitely give it a shot, I think you'll be surprised how well it works
I recommend upgrading to Dayton exciters fixed that issue and improved feedback.
Agreed, after getting the arcade control panel it's much worse
which ones? there is a lot to choose from..
Excellent! Thank you for the update. I was really bummed to have the rattle issue out of the box. Thank goodness for your video and help! This exact fix worked for me. I still submitted a ticket to AT Games support so they can address the issue in future ALP waves.
Awesome, glad it worked
Thank you, this worked for me! Just got my table and had extreme buzzing. Added a couple of weights and the experience is SO MUCH better!
80s arcade pins often defaulted to 'obnoxiously loud' in order to attract players over the din on a commercial arcade. I know because I used to have seven of them in my game room and it was insanely loud in there if all were powered up. So, when I first bought my atgames pin, I thought there must have been something wrong with it. I ended up modifying to hold larger speakers. I used no external speaker drivers, but even so, the bass response improved dramatically.
Great video and thank you to George! I’ll try this out with the arcade control panel, but I might try upgrading the stock haptics all together
Yeah, it seems kinda janky but works surprisingly well. I don't have the newer control panel yet so I don't know if the design is the same and will work on it as well but I'm quite happy with the results and have been playing it daily
$26 shipped new exciters, relatively easy upgrade.
@@neehooya which ones did you go with ?
@@neehooya I’m sure the OP did this to show how to get results without ordering new exciters and at a fraction of the cost. He probably spent a total of $5.99 vs $26 with good-great results. Salute to @show-me retro!!!
Hey thanks so much for that video sound fix, works wonders ! No need to remplace exciters at all , sound settings at 90/55/45 and medium to high haptics is just another experience on all tables, zac pack included !
Awesome! George gets the credit here though... very smart guy
I did this fix and it worked for me!! THANKS!!!!!
This did the trick for me, thank you!
Thank you for showing us this neat fix. I just taped a couple 20 gram thingy's to my exciters and they sound great now!
That's awesome, now you can hear these like you should have from the beginning. Just in time for the Taito pack!
The thunder and low pulses sound like they should in Space Invaders, and they probably would have just annoyed me before.
Thanks for the great tip! I had turned the exciters off completely awhile back as the buzzing was driving me nuts. I will try this over the weekend.
Sounds good. It is an alternative to swapping the exciters and I find it's helped quite a bit
Very interesting video and thanks for sharing. Also, thank you George as well.
Thanks guys!
A new firmware update fixed all of my tables audio issues! Thank goodness!
Do you have the old control panel or the arcade panel?
I have the stock control panel. My unit is relatively new and I was about to open this thing up! Then, I tried the new Taito table packs. I noticed the audio was mixed so that nothing was distorted and the exciters were dialed in. Pretty much like it should have been in the first place. But my original tables were still off the charts with the audio and rumble. After a firmware update yesterday, I can now set every single table to the same audio mix. Even Rescue 911 and Wipeout with the super loud helicopter and drum solo respectively, sound quite nice in the mix and don't buzz anymore. I was really concerned about this, so hopefully the trend continues.
Ok i now have the arcade panel and unfortunately these fixes don't seem to work. I have been able to set haptics on med with some modifications but haptics on high is unattainable no matter the mods
@@show-me-retro The struggle is real, haha. Best of luck and happy gaming! Those new Deluxe tables are pretty cool!
Not bad, a little busy but some are very fun yes
That was a complicated equation that George Lin guy came up with. I think we all missed that class in High School. Lol. Glad you could find a fix. Should have been like that out of the box though.
Haha, yeah George might be an engineer
Okay, call me a boob, 'cause that's what I am. When I first put my ALP together I connected the HDMI cable as instructed, but I didn't see the black connector for the lines running to the marquee and speakers. No wonder my sound has been horrible! The only audio I had was coming through the exciters. Everything sounds great now, especially after adding the larger Dayton exciters for the haptics.
Thanks for this update, I'll probably stick with the lower sound settings for now as it appears the haptics are in the panel which I'm going to be replacing with the arcade controller and if I have buzzing with that, then I'll try this fix!
This fix is awesome and cheap. I can crank my tables now. Sound is awesome and makes the machine complete. Didn't know some tables even had music.
Same lol... glad you enjoy it!
Great video. Just got mine and I hate the buzzing. For now, I've opted to turn off the haptics completely and play it more as a video game. Like you said, whatever works!
ALP W10E, for a couple months with buzzing only on some tables. Thanks so much for the information. I've added 2 fishing weights and it seems to fix the buzzing with high volume settings. Tried various padding to no effect. Firmware update helped considerably. I see a number of complaints with AtGames and the problem could be better handled. In turn, it's not a perfect world. Even with the buzzing, really like this machine.
Glad it helped. Yes, despite the sound problems I still play daily after discovering this fix
Dude awesome fix. I love doing stuff like this. I don't have one of these machines, but it's fascinating how people improve on them.
Thanks man! Yeah, it's amazing the fixes people come up with
Thanks for sharing i think ill do this 👍👍 seems easy enough and worth it👍👍
It's very simple
Thanks for the update!!!
Thank you!
Thought I'd share an extra step i took. Thanks to this video I did the nut idea. I welded the inside half way up to add a bit more weight. Glued the plastic Legends piece down around the corners. But I think the topper was putting the soft side of velcro tape on both sides and bottom where the side panels go over the deck. Had to push down to screw the side panels back on. So its super snug. I can seemingly do any volume now. Thanks for giving me the start. Definitely suggest something on the sides and bottom under the side panels.
Great idea!
Great info! Thanks
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The "buzzing" is coming from the plastic pannel vibrating caused by the exciters. The plastic pannel has two screws on top with nothing on the bottom on the control pannel at least. I think it is the same with the original. My fix was putting gaffers tape underneath the plastic to absorb the vibrations though a thick foam would work better and then taping the plastic down on top. ATgames can fix this with a strip of foam around plastic edges under the plastic and having screws do keep the bottom part in place. That's all they need to do.
Whatever works
Cool thanks
Nice fix! I will be doing that ASAP
Yeah, it seems a little janky but trust me it really makes this thing cone alive. Let me know how it works out
Thanks for the video! I think this helped, but games with a lot of bass still rattle the panel quite a bit. I was just able to completely stop it by sliding playing cards under the left and right sides of the front bar and adding more until the buzzing went away. I have four on the left and three on the right. A temporary fix at best, but surprisingly worked better than the rubber pads I had put under the bar. So ridiculous that I have to do all this after shelling out so much cash! AtGames support was of no help whatsoever, acting as if this were an isolated incident. Ha! Way to QA your product before sending it out the door!
Couldn't agree more. I bought this table as part of their NOD-A deal about a month ago. I figured by now, they would have had all the bugs fixed. Boy was I wrong.
This was a lot of fun
This was a great video. And glad you gave credit for the fix. New to Virtual pinball. Couldn't wait to get this open and running.
Not hating. Not mad. Just curious...
Question: Why does it seem that no one is upset or angry at the Atgames company? Surely they knew there was major problems with the exciters. And were sending out a faulty product.
I went to their UA-cam videos and I did not see that they posted any fix, themselves. I saw no acknowledgement of the issue at all. So, curious, why is everyone so unbelievably ok with this?
That's a great question. I think people, including myself have just come to accept that Atgames probably isn't going to fix the problem until the next ALP revision with a different design. I also think they just want people ro set the levels low enough as ro not cause any rattling and buzzing but those settings are far too low ro hear and feel the things you should when playing pinball at normal levels. Trust me, I am upset but I suppose we're giving them a pass since Atgames is encouraging the community to modify their machines ro enjoy them however they choose... by adding pc support, vibs board, control panels etc. They probably feel the majority of the ALP buyers will just fix it themselves or improve on the design.
That's just my opinion... hope that answers your question
1 word..... Price. We've accepted the fact that for $699 compared to crappy A1U tables, a little needed modding is fine, if that's the worst thing. Yeah it sucks and they should really acknowledge the issue, but what can ya do?
@@FilthTribeFTP Ditto. I fucking love this thing. A1up truly blows in comparison. I haven't changed my mind about the exciters. I had to just turn em off. But, for the price and how we figured out hooking up our pc... this thing rocks. Thanks to steam and PBFX3. But, I did still bolt from tech support from AtGLPB, because they said "The product isn't faulty. It's the setting." I know SOME people were able to fix the ones THEY received, with settings changes. But that didn't work with mine at all. Did a few different things past changing the settings. All kinds of tricks suggested, too. The ONLY people who really helped were the other costumers. AtGLPB support was lackluster at best. Nothing bugs me more than lying to my face. How, how, how can so many consumers know there were major issues with some of the exciters in some of the units (that could not be simply fixed by sound settings) and not the people who manufactured it? C'mon...... maaaan.
Show-Me Retro,
Thank you for the update! I ended up buying the controller panel add-on for my Legends Pinball and it had the same exciter problem (especially when using CoinOpsX). My solution? I just unplugged the exciters.
I used your original volume settings back in the day, and my first impression was, just like you, I couldn't hear the music. I've since adjusted my volume settings, kind of like what you did now, so I could hear the music along with everything else. BUT, it doesn't fix every sound issue, unfortunately...
The Legends Pinball has an overall volume issue when you switch between Gottlieb tables to Magic Pixel tables (Zaccaria and Taito) and vice versa. The Gottlieb tables play louder, so when I go from a Gottlieb table to a Zaccaria table, I have to turn up the main volume by 20% or more to hear the Zaccaria table clearly. Then if I switch back to a Gottlieb table from the Zaccaria table, I have to turn the main volume down by 20% or more, or it will be blasting loud. I do hope AtGames can figure out a solution for this and firmware it :)
I'm glad you found a solution that works for you and that you shared it with the community. It's something I might consider in the future. For now, I'm just going to keep the exciters unplugged. Sure, I miss the haptic feedback, but Legends Pinball is still a good enough experience (for me) without it. I hope someday AtGames will find a solution to the exciter buzzing problem that doesn't require a hardmod, but at least what you showed was easy to perform :)
Thanks again for sharing and have a great one!
vgv
Appreciate the comment! Yeah, I really wish they could come up with a software solution to this nut foe no w I'm able to keep the exciters on medium (on high until a few updates ago) and it didn't cost me anything. I too ordered the control panel on NOD and will get on Thu so hopefully things will sound better but I have a feeling weights will still be needed 🤞
Great info
Thanks, appreciate it
I wonder: why can't those exciters be mounted on the sides of the machine, near the buttons? I think that would solve the problem.
I think the reason is that they are way underpowered so in doing so it deadens the vibration. People have gone that route but usually they upgrade the exciters first
thanks for this info, really helpful. I have the ungraded control panel, with major sound distortion and haptic buzzing. What of this content, if any, is applicable to the new panel? TIA
I currently don't own the control panel so I can't confirm whether this will help or not. However it definitely wouldn't make it sound worse. I can guarantee
SO are these things worth keeping or just junk ones and should we just replace with some dayton exciters or other ones ? Or can they be moved to a better location like the wall ?Rather open up just once. Thanks. Informative vid.
That depends and kinda hard to answer. Most likely you will want to replace unless you're experienced and swapping them out with Dayton exciters might be a better option
Ive have this issue and the fix has reduced it slightly, but its very much still present. I cannot use the same settings as you as the rattle is unplayable. My exciters look very different to yours also. it just seems to be on one side of the unit causing the issue. I only get the rattle when the control board is facing in the position it is meant to be in (when i am applying the fix / have the control panal upside-down, theres no issue (assuming this is because the weight is pushing down on the exciter so the vibrations arent as amplified). Love the unit, just a shame the audio is poor
Have you tried packing foam around the exciters?
@@show-me-retro Literally trying this as we speak!! I thought after i wrote the comment i wonder if that could be done. Will report back shortly
@@PhilFeeman pack it tightly and make sure gaps in the control panel are secured down so no vibration
@@show-me-retro Wow what a difference this has made!! Now very very minimal rattle but i can still feel the hapic. Thanks for the video, helped a lot
Great video, thank you so much! What size hex nut is it that weighs 20g?
Hi, I just got my Legends Pinball machine yesterday. I appreciate the help from you and George. I noticed way too much bass rattling the front of the control panel while playing TX Sector last night. I did add the bolts with double sided tape. I thought my problem was solved until I put the lock bar back in place. Then the rattling bass continued. It seems the unwanted effect is coming from the sound vibrating through the plastic control panel plate with the AT GAMES logo. Any ideas on turning that bass down a bit?
What is your overall table volume set at upon powering up?
@@show-me-retro I’ve tried the default settings as well as your new recommended ones. Both gave me too much bass rattle.
@@JoeBoppyBop sometimes the table defaults to 100 upon start up which maxes everything out. I then put it to 55 before starting a table and everything is leveled out again. I can't comment on the double sided tape because tape made my problem worse early on for my wave 4 table. So keep in mind there is a slight design change of the exciters in how they are mounted when comparing older and newer waves. So I'm not sure if that has anything to do with it. But make sure you have at least 15 grams of weight on the exciters
@@show-me-retro I will check that, thank you.
Have you done this with the control panel add on with the new exciters ?
I just received the control panel myself and I am shocked at how much worse it sounds that the original control deck. This fix really didn't help as much with the new panel, but I'm messing with it to try and find a work around
@@show-me-retro keep us posted, I used your first fix and it helped a bit. Looking forward to your update.
This has got to be a software issue. I just bought the pinball machine today. Without updating it I had no problem with this buzzing sound. I updated and now I have the bad buzzing.
I believe you are correct, I had the exact same experience as you
I played mine for like 3 weeks playing only the original built in games and when I updated the machine the problems with nudging and alot of buzzing began
If you can't get the zac table volume to go back up after turning down for the other tables. Turn the volume to %100 then unplug it from the wall and plug it back in. It should return to normal at least it does for me
there is no need to unplug, read the reply I posted elsewhere here.
I get alot of buzzing from the arcade stick I installed , don't know what to do
Use some of the black foam packing to insulate the exciters... put some tape over top to keep it in place
No offense...but if you had the volume of the music set to 3....wouldn't that explain why the cab was quiet...moreso than gluing a nut to the $.39 exciter that they provided with the cabinet?
👍😎 I’m thinking about buying one of these
It's far from perfect but still very fun
@@show-me-retro it’s better than the one up though correct ??🤔
I don't own the 1up pinball but I know people that did and sold it because it wasn't for them. It might look cooler but that's about the only thing it does better in my opinion.
Awesome. What do you have your master volume set at?
For zac tables 100, and Gottlieb 55. I assume you mean the volume buttons on the table itself?
One of the things it cleared up was massive buzzing when the table would time out and go in attract mode. Once the music kicked in it sounded horrible... not anymore
@@show-me-retro Yes, thanks. Will try this this weekend. Currently have the sound to the control panel unplugged.
Seriously where did u get that arcade sign. I'm modding my ALP to a stranger things theme. That would fit nicely above it just saying
I made it... I talked about it briefly in my ep 2 Hobby Lobby video at the end. I should have made it a little skinnier and longer overall in hindsight but I'm still happy with it. Thanks for noticing!
@@show-me-retro I'll have to go watch that video now but thanks for the reply
BTW, great choice for a table mod. I just played the Stranger Things table a week ago at a barcade while on vacation and was blown away. Obviously I'm a huge ST fan having the sign and would love to see pic on the forum fan page when finished 😀
It amazes me when a company charging $700 has a huge oversite like this. Luckily the community saves the day
Yeah, it's not good on their part for not coming up with either a hardware fix(new panel design) or software audio routing fix. But I still am enjoying it
@@show-me-retro only reason i got legends pinball over Aup1 pinball cuz legends haves more futures like OTG mode and using your computer and playing more pinball games if atgames never have that OTG i probably never buy it . you can do so many modes to a legends pinball machine . right now i have a 27inch 3rd monitor on top my legends backglass. one day i like to build a bigger and new backglass box .. and i been using Pinball Emporium and it so great having 3 screen displays
@@funtyes1970 yeah, I really need to hook up that vins board. I'm enjoying the Zac and Taito tables mainly because of leaderboards. I love competing with other youtubers scores lol
@@show-me-retro lol
I tried it with 4ea US nickels super glued together on the exciters for a total of 20 grams on each. The bass in the Black Hole table and the three others I tried still vibrates like mad in the left exciter. I'll try another nickel and see what happens.
To be perfectly honest, I don't even play the stock tables I only play the Zaccaria and Taitol ones
@@show-me-retro I'll try a Zac table..
Do you havthe arcade control panel or stock panel?
@@show-me-retro It's the stock panel. Just got this machine a few weeks ago. I love it but that sound issue is a problem.
Ok, the weights really worked well for me with the stock panel, not so much with the arcade panel unfortunately
Great video, but you shouldn’t have to fix this problem, we spend a lot of money on these machines and they should work right out of the box. Atgames needs to step up and provide a fix to the software. The problem is the music from the table is being pushed through the exciters and making the control panel vibrate and buzz. The exciters are just for the haptics. Does this fix work on the arcade control panel as well? Thanks for sharing.
Yeah, you're absolutely right and I didn't really want to get into the issue with Atgames in the video. It actually but was cut for time. I did this because it's clear they aren't going to do a hardware OR software fix until the next ALP revision. I'm also aware of what yhe actual problem is but I think that this is a pretty low tech and cheap fix which is why I decided to share.
As far as it helping in the new control panel I cannot confirm. I'm waiting till a price drop since I believe it's way too expensive and the trackball is crap and needs a shim kit out of the box. But I'm happy with it now despite the previous sound problems. Appreciate the comment!
Are you sure putting weight on those exciters aren't gonna burn them out a lot quicker?? I found that simply putting double-sided tape above and below the exciters on each side worked wonders. Night and day difference.
I guess only time will tell. I tried the double sided tape method and mine sounded worse. I would love to see a tutorial on where you places it. But since I couldn't get results from foam or tape I came across George's post on this alternative
@@show-me-retro There a lot variables at play I'm guessing - between which wave your ALP purchase was (mine was Wave 10) along with having the OEM controller vs. the joystick/buttons replacement (which have slightly more powerful exciters). Since we both have different waves/controllers/exciters I can't rightfully say my fix will work for your unit. Anyways I placed a 2 inch strip above-and-below the exciter brackets on each side. Also my tape doesn't have any foam insulation so I'm curious why your setup needed more maintenance. Then again my volume levels and haptic feedback are roughly half your settings. Either way I'm happy you found another way of approaching this issue.
@@anthonym5395 You have exciter brackets? Mine are glued directly to the plexi. Possibly a different design
@@show-me-retro Correct, my Wave10 has fiberboard underneath the plexi with cut-outs for the exciters sitting in between and screwed to them. Having an exciter glued directly to the plexi is a big mistake, no wonder why there was so much distortion before you made changes. I have no clue what AtGames was thinking when they did that (?!?!?).
Yeah, that's why this solution that has yielded the best results and until I get the new joystick control panel I'm sticking with it
Looks like the white plastic (from the exciters?) has broken… see 3:40.
It didn't go all the way through to the black piece. Also I don't have that original control panel anymore, I have the arcade control panel
I like the idea but why not use super glue to fasten the exciter weights? My experience with dollar store double-sided tape has been less than satisfactory. I think users will be opening up their machine periodically to refasten the weights if they're using tape, particularly with all the vibration that is obviously going to occur. Just my .02 cents.
Sure, you can use whatever adhesive you have or works best for you
Don’t add the weights. After a long day of playing it burned my exciters out. Got new ones and works again
No issues from mine as of yet
Hi Pat 👋
What up Nacho 🤘
Do you think this will work with the Arcade Control Panel?
I don't own it yet so can't confirm but if the design is the same i would say yes. If not... hard to say
Has anyone tried this fix with the upgrade joystick control panel???
I have and unfortunately it doesn't work like the stock control panel. However there are a number of other inexpensive fixes for the arcade panel. Look in the official Atgames FB forums
@@show-me-retro thanks I'm trying to save a few bucks before I invest in the pc to go inside this thing. The option with control panel will be found. Where are the best forums? Reddit, FB or elsewhere?
@@jasoncdublin definitely FB
facebook.com/groups/166745557972535/?ref=share
Does the arcade controller have the same issue?
Unfortunately I haven't purchased this yet since I missed the sale on NOD so I can't confirm
leave all magic pixel tables default 50-50-63 and set haptics to medium. individually set all farsight tables to 37-4-3 haptics very low. double sided tape under the black plastic. use volume buttons up top as you wish (i like 80). no einstein equations or taping nuts n bolts needed.
If it sounds great where I'm currently at why change them?
BTW, those settings on ALP would have it buzzing and distorting like a $10 black van set of speakers
@@show-me-retro i am talking about ALP. have you tried it? it works fantastic.
Just a heads up, if you adjust volume with rockers while in game there is a nasty bug that can crop up where ALL of the sound will start coming from the exciters, not just the lows. The only thing that will fix it is a factory reset, which can lead to another set of problems.
Hopefully this new updated fix will correct any sound issues you might have on your ALP stock control panel. Special thanks to George Lin from the Official Atgames Fan Page on Facebook for coming up with this fix. He deserves 100% of the credit
What size nut is that
I'm not sure in mm. I just raided my nut jar for the heaviest I had which is 20 grams
Okay, I have my ALP sounding the best it probably ever could -- Gottlieb, Zaccaria, and Taito games all loud and distortion-free. I can even use the ALP backbox speakers for my VPX and FP games and love it. I don't detect any haptics in OTG mode, but the audio is clear with good volume. If there's any buzz at all from the exciters I'm not able to hear it, and it was painfully obvious before making the one change that has made this machine sound as it should have on day one.
Here's what I did:
I was a bit aggravated that I was being prompted to sign into ArcadeNet every single time I turned on the machine, so I found a post on the Facebook ALP Fan Group that said to do the following:
1. Do a factory reset of the ALP. This would mean losing any local data settings, but I would not have to enter my keys again for the purchased tables. To perform the reset you hold both the left-flipper and left-nudge buttons and turn on the machine. Don't release the buttons until the prompt appears for you to confirm that you want to do a factory reset. The process will take about 10 minutes or so.
2. When the machine has fully booted back up you will be on the original firmware. Make sure you don't do anything before you join your ALP to your local network and login to the AtGames network. I used the QR code to do mine. Don't change any settings, and by all means *DO NOT* UPGRADE THE FIRMWARE yet. Verify that you can play one of the add-on tables. Once you have done that, return to a home screen and turn the machine off. Count to 10. Power up the ALP, and you should no longer need to login again -- your credentials should be saved.
3. Here's where it gets really good. Upgrade to latest firmware. The updates are cumulative, so you can just accept the prompt to download and install the most recent version.
4. When the ALP has rebooted be prepared to enjoy all of your tables without changing any of the audio defaults. I find having the audio button controls set to 70 is ample, and I needed to only adjust audio on the Zac and Taito games from the default of 50 to the values George Lin recommended. Maybe a tweak or two here and there, but not much. I left the haptic strength on medium, but even testing at High setting produced no buzzing from my Dayton exciters, and I can't hear the music being piped through the exciters at all -- only the effects. I have switched back-and-forth between Gottlieb and Magic Pixel tables, and all my settings are holding -- no weird drop in volume on the Zac tables that I had before.
A side benefit is that the Gottlieb tables show an image on the backglass when stepping through the table menu. I hope someone here can give this procedure a try and verify that it isn't just me. I am not imagining anything, the sound is spectacular. I have been letting the music track from the MEDIEVAL MADNESS Future Pinball game play through the ALP speakers the whole time I have been typing this, and the fidelity is great.
I suspect somewhere along the way AtGames did address the audio channeling to the exciters, but installing successive firmware updates alone kept inheriting the problem. It took a full reset to square one and a leap to the new firmware to fix it for good and all.
Very nice, might have to try this
Doing this now. I have to log in to my account every time I turn it on. I also remember that sound was perfect when I first turned the machine on. Once I applied the updates is when the sound issues started happening.
@@nicholasspero9819 Let us know how it goes. Remember, login to ArcadeNet and shut off the ALP, then power up again before doing anything else.
Very nice trick! No more need to log in. Had to do this twice. I am a software test engineer. Ha.
First I did the upgrade with clean install and the saving of the username didn't take.
Go with upgrade though and username is retained.
As for the noise it seems to have helped. The true test is the gladiator table and I had to turn down the volume but sound seemed to come out the proper places. Still sound out the exciters but no as prominent. Other tables sound great!
Others should give a try.
There are so many volume issues, this is only a band-aid for one of them. I like the potentiometer solution better for the exciters, but honestly when the sound is dialed in correctly you do not need any of this. Atgames should be embarrassed at how bad this really is.
Yes, you are correct. I'm happy with this since I couldn't really find a happy medium without setting the exciters on low which I didn't want to do.... what's the point of having them. But a band aid is probably the correct term, although I can really play at levels i couldn't before without compromises. Thanks for the comment
@@show-me-retro So what happens when you go into a got table and lower the volume to around 30, Then exit out and go into a zac table and turn the volume up to 70? Then go back to a got table and repeat? Everything works like normal? Did you even mention the volume button settings? I may have missed it. I may try this if the new defaults fix the other sound issues as well.
I never touch the volume settings by the back box. I did forget to mention what they were set at. Also, I do not play Got tables because I despise them (only because they aren't good quality compared to the others) but I did try Gladiatosr before uploading the video and it sounded great... as far as what the volume settings were on the unit itself I don't know. But the zac tables and Taito are set to 100% and the global settings i applied are for each table.
I just loaded Gladiators and the master volume was set to 57 which sounds great with the in game settings at 90,55 and 45 and no buzzing or distortion.
Hope this answers your question
Well... I know what I'm doing this weekend...
Works best if you have the original control panel
@@show-me-retro You're probably right. I'm wondering, looking at it, if a smaller weight would help. I'm having a similar issue and the trade off, given the limited space with the cover... would a smaller weight make a difference?
I was planning on tucking some felt or something under there for the vibration anyways.
@@CoffeeAtJoes I just found that switching to the joystick control panel, the weight did not help
@@CoffeeAtJoes felt and securing the exciters with adhesive worked for me
@@show-me-retro yeah, got the front rail off and realized the plexi wasn't completely glued down either. So, I'm fixing that and adding some felt under the top rail tomorrow. Here's hoping it fixes the rattle.
Wow...big difference. Hard to believe that the manufacturers at AtGames let that pinball machine go out with such horrid audio.
Not really a buzz, it a rattle of the top laminate, I'd assume foam will prevent it. Not sure why atgames copped out on this... There is slight hum/buzz in the audio related to noise in the electronics.
There's a lot of horrible sounds... let's put it that way. But trust me, as janky as this band aid may seem it really works wonders. And yes, Atgames needs to take responsibility and come up with a solution