1986: COMPACT DISCS - The future of CAR NAVIGATION? | Top Gear | Retro Transport | BBC Archive
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- "You could put all the motorways, roads, towns and village streets of the whole of Britain on just one of these discs."
Top Gear's Chris Goffey drives a van around the Netherlands in order to demonstrate a thoroughly futuristic-looking car navigation system that harnesses the awesome power of CDs. Is it finally time to consign your old paper maps to the dustbin?
Originally broadcast 15 April, 1986.
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Nothing can compare to the “Cassette Of Tape” from the last video….
Directions on a tape, but only from one place 😭😂
Lol its amazing the difference between the videos!!
Funny that the cassette of tape navigation never took off. Maybe because you'd need to tow along a caravan full of cassettes to cover the whole country maybe
Ah, yes - you too fell into this rabbit hole.
@@jaymac7203 the best part is you’d have to get familiar with a route to custom make the directions for the cassette. At that point why do you need a route😂
It's cool. The video predicts the future quite accurately when he says that in the future these systems will be integrated into the onboard computers of cars. I don't like how sharp the edges of the shroud around the screen are - looks quite unsafe for the driver in the event of a crash.
He might not crash tho
It's just a prototype.
Was thinking the same thing.. Imagine rocking up to the Emergency room having to have that Heathkit metal casing removed from your forehead. Ouch!
Cool! Can't wait for this to come out! Finally I won't have to use a massive map!
Driving through the city of Geldrop, NL ...
This is so much more useful GPS than the "cas-sette of tapes" but to name it Karen though, it must be the world's only helpful Karen 🤣🤣🤣
The real name was CARIN what stands for Car Information and Navigation
1:19 I wish all Karen's could be switched off just by ejecting a CD
Philips ❤- innovation and you!
I could not afford a GPS system back in the day but now I have it in my pocket thanks the wonder of smart phones!
That system didn't come till late 90s
TomTom from the Netherlands were one of the first to provide it in Europe. I wonder if there was any connection to Philips. I remember using their maps in Europe on a smartphone in the early noughties.
@@mark-horgan Philips was the major provider of factory nav systems in the late 90's to many manufacturers like Rover, BMW, Ford and GM. They even kept the same Carin name and color scheme. They owned the map provider Navteq until they exited the entire market in the mid-2000s.
We were using a handheld GPS device to help navigate us around by car from 1994 onwards.
Wow, the size of that infotainment screen
All of Britain on one disc? Wow! Sounds amazing. Can't wait 😂
Britain isn't that big
@@Ellarian_Liara it feels it when you live here.
A “simple” keyboard! So “convenient.” ;)
These old dead reckoning based systems are really interesting. That being said, I don't think they would have been suitable for navigating drives of 'hundreds of miles', no matter how accurate the speedometer in the car.
I believe it recalibrated its location each time a significant directional change occurred (such as a turn), and if this one didn't, other systems did. But I guess it could be an issue on a long straightaway with gradual changes in direction.
actually modern planes have very advanced dead reckoning based systems wich can do that, so if GPS was never invented then i'm sure cars (and smart devices) could have grown to use (and advance) that technology instead.
@@craigjensen6853 so cool how just a compass and digital map added enough flexibility to a distance based dead reckoning system to implement active calibrating, and even route re-calculation, in a car with 80ies computing technology.
@@sperzieb00n The SR-71 Blackbird spy plane used dead reckoning combined with automatic detection of the position of stars even in daylight, and that went into service in 1966!
Little did they know that 30 years later, overreliance on GPS navigation would destroy people's ability to drive rationally and safely!
I have a friend that sets up his GPS everytime he gets in the car even if he's taken the same route hundreds of times. Stupid!
@@andrewhanson1180 I don’t set my gps up in the car if I know the route, but I do leave the maps open on the screen, as it can warn you of traffic ahead
Pure fantasy, this'll never take off
Ohh that monitor
😂😂😂
So Karen's have been telling people where to go since the late 80s.
Karens, not Karen's
My Bad, did not know there was only one.
@@shinvelcro "My Bad, did not know there was only one."
- what?! That reply makes no sense and further demonstrates your cluelessness
😂😂
“In a car you won’t have a TV screen”
“It’s too distracting”
Aged well
should have stayed that way. i want to go back.
@@ogorekkiszony7236buy an old car.
@@ogorekkiszony7236 you can get rid of yours
I don’t know how cars can have all these “pedestrian safety features” essentially ruining the look of most cars, but it’s fine to have what is essentially a half scale tv smack in the middle of your dash which HAS to cause more crashes and damage since it distracts drivers, especially considering they are never centered towards the driver.
Dead reckoning compact disk navigation systems truly ARE the future.
This is so much better than our current cassette tape technology because it accounts for deviations and re-routing.
I can't think of any technology to ever outdo this.
There is some truth there. There are professional implementations that use dead reckoning along with GPS to obtain high accuracy navigation in closed spaces as tunnels etc. Ublox have chipsets which can use actuator and odometer inputs, as well as inertia navigation, to get high prescision in closed spaces.
you have failed to mention ticker tape, huge spools spilling from the dash, helping you not to crash but to press on to your final destination. years ahead of it's time.
I just ate a really good chicken and sweet corn chowder
Google maps got me stuck in traffic last week and I'm fed up with it. I'd quite like to try this new system showcased here. Hope it's available soon.
Seems you will have to wait until 1988...
How you fit the CD player and computer in your car it looks very big? I would love to have this feature in my Cortina. I wonder if the computer will be able to run Lotus 123 so I can do my home accounts as well that would be cool.
I worked on this (CarIn) in Eindhoven back in 1988 - what a nostalgia trip seeing Eindhoven's streets as they were!
This seems pretty interesting from an actual employee. You should consider recording your recollections on video or writing an article/book. I’m a software developer and it saddens me to realize that a lot of interesting tech just gets forgotten. First-hand postmortems from team members can actually teach us something new.
Looks quite modern with that horrendous screen hanging off the dashboard!
That's what I thought. In an accident you don't really want a Cathode-ray tube flying at you from the dashboard
😂😂😂
Reminds me of Total Recall.
@@phrtao 2:33 They did state that Philips thinks having a TV is too much of a distraction
It’ll never catch on.
I agree, the first time I used one, a donation Tom Tom sent me into a dead end then a river!!!
The roads looked nicer on vinyl.
And you could have a DJ with you mixing up the routes
Lol!
Sounded better to
said the Hipster
'let's see how this system works' - choked on me coffee ☕ when he revealed that humungus thing - left no room for the wife
Me too I was like HOLY FOOK!!
That's the bonus part
Every Cloud.....
@@Ass_Burgers_Syndrome Wee Tu Lo
My first vehicle ( a 1979 Vauxhall Chevanne ) came with a local retired taxi driver gagged and bound in the back, and for a sandwich and a drop of water, he’d direct me to wherever I needed to go ( and with great accuracy I might add )
Not sarf of the riva though, surely? Don't go sarf, mate.
I want the 29" version
For once it feels good to be in "their" future 😁
Yeah but one day we will be in the past 😂AkA. Dead and Forever Forgotten
The CD-based units just like this were a real thing for a brief blip in time! (Although probably 20 years after this was made). I have a (US) 2005 Ford Escape Hybrid that came from the factory in 2004 with CD-based GPS and it came with a binder of discs, 6 for the whole country and you had to change out the discs if you were traveling long distance. The head unit had two disc drives (one for a music CD and the other for a GPS CD) but they somehow shared the same slot and there was an additional 6 (music) disc changer under the seat. The screen was color but no more than 3" in size. I've long since replaced all of that and modernized it with an Android-based system, but man was that something for 2004. It was also CANbus enabled (which itself was cutting edge then) and displayed info about the hybrid electric system. It's interesting how they managed to fit all of Britain on a single disc but I suppose the US is much larger with more roads, hence the binder of 6 discs.
The original 2004 battery still works just fine even though she has 255,000mi/410,000km on the clock and has been loved and cared for, Ford built some good cutting edge stuff back then.
It was a thing even before that. My '98 Volvo V70 had an optional sat nav (not in my car, unfortunately), which took CDs. The CD drive was in the glovebox, the main electronics were behind and kind of under the radio, and the flip-up LCD was on the top of the dashboard cover, in the middle. One downside was that it couldn't be ordered together with a Dolby Surround option, because the center speaker took up the place of the LCD, and the surround sound decoder was mounted to the same place, where the sat nav computer would be. All in all, the Dolby system aged better, since it can be still used :)
2004! I had TomTom on my phone by then.
@@spr00sem00se That's impressive. Tom Tom only released their first sat-nav unit in 2004 and the smartphone wasn't a thing for another 6 or 7 years....
@@johnmcgovern5372 I had an SPV c500 with tomtom moile on it. It had a bluetooth gps receiver, it was absoluetly crazy good at the time. I had doom and Ferris buelers day off on my phone, and MSN messenger. things taken for granted now
i have a 2006 volvo xc70 with a cd based gps navigation system, looking at ripping out the old navigation system and useing the screen for an android based replacement
Year 2001 is closer to this Top Gear episode, than to today... 😆
Notices from 2022:
- No CD-player for new cars.
- Screens are bigger than yours.
I remember software released in 1988 called AutoRoute by NextBase that would just calculate a driving route from A to B with the option of printing it, that was it, but it was super popular and was followed by many others until we got sat navs.
I'd love to have that van nowadays, timeless
Probably chosen not to move to fast to prevent the system from overloading 😉. In reailty they needed the place to get all the stuff in. And also the place to showcase is...
It would be outdated because of all the new roads and old roads paved over for pedestrians or housing
@@tdoran616 (van)
@@drankfrebin I thought the cassette GPS was built into the van?
@@tdoran616 I meant the van, lay off the crack dude. It's melting your brain
A Sat Nav called Karen, this is priceless!
Ahh Karen. From helping drivers to throwing coffee over employees.
His son is the drummer in supergrass
What has this got to do with this video?
@@swaneknoctic9555 I used sat nav to get to his house
@@swaneknoctic9555 Come on, there's no Time for Bad Blood here, Alright? It's now too Late In The Day for that. We're Not Supposed To make comments like that. It's like a Kick in the Teeth. Let's all be Beautiful People here Tonight. We don't want to see this Rebel in You, Swane - What Went Wrong (In Your Head)? Anyway Time To Go, and remember Jesus Came from Outta Space, Fin.
Cheers for that bit of trivia, Tim. That's one of the few things I like about the Internet.
@@diond1333 I also fitted his bedroom carpet, repaired one he messed up and he even drove my van down his drive and had an official Top Gear review of" I like these Toyota vans".
Strange, I was rear ended while in the UK back in '86, by a guy in a van like this one. Come to think of it, he _did_ have a big "tele" in the middle of the console.
My mind crashed when he took away the map. 😂 That screen..
i’ve grown up with google maps and phones so this is a very weird concept in comparison lmao
Yes. I look back on the map days and wonder how I ever got anywhere ! I used to have a route written down on A4 with every turn etc in front of me. Kids these days have got it too easy 😁
I am confident I can shoehorn that unit into my Austin Mini... 😉
Funnily enough, my first car was a battered old 2001 volvo S60 which did indeed have a CD operated satnav.
Yours is different because it still used gps satellites. The system in this video had to use the car's odometer to figure out where it is
@@ThisaraGamalath He did say "satnav" tho, the "sat" doesn't stand for “Scholastic Aptitude Test” in that particular instance :D
When I saw that massive crt screen slabbed on the dashboard I immediately thought how lucky we are now
Yeah, instead of a massive crt screen slabbed on the dashboard, we now have a massive lcd screen slabbed on the dashboard. Progress
@@andreacoppini
I refer to CRT in general. I hate screens in cars period, It’s a car not a desktop computer
I had a 2009 Jaguar X-type a few years ago with a built-in Sat-nav. Although it stored the maps in its memory and double-checked your position via a satellite, the system was basically this one. It was just incorporated into the “entertainment system” (also known as the car stereo). Updates were even loaded into it by CD-Rom. Everything panned out as Philips predicted, save for the addition of GPS.
Just 13 years later such systems are virtually redundant, of course - smartphones do the same thing both in the car and when you’re on foot, and the maps are constantly updated (negating the need for the CD-Rom updates).
Ah if only we got Karen, shouting at us that you took the wrong route and I want to speak to your driving manager. Instead though we just got some bloke with two same names Tom Tom.
I do love that Phillips thought screens would be a distraction in cars. Won't be long until they just replace windscreens with giant LCDs and a camera to view outside. I know they do this on planes cause it cuts costs compared to airplane windows. You just know they will do it for cars cause screens break and it will cost more money to fix. Planned obsolescence of course.
I love the navigation. Until now, my car has a legit navigation and not apps.
This seems as far-fetched as using one of those 'cordless telephones' I've been hearing about, or one of those boxes that warms up your meal by using radio waves..... dream on people!
Cordless landline phones and microwave ovens were already in widespread use in 1986.
"You have deviated from your destination"
The OG Karen
Navigation by Karen!!! What could possibly go wrong 🤷🏻♂️
Shorter and more efficient routing systems don't work when everyone is recommended the same route.
did a google apprently "1987 Toyota CD-ROM navigation system" dam philips did a good job to bad it was only japanees market. philips really paved the way for alot of modern tech in those times.
A screen is clearly too much of a distraction. Compared to a map...
“Philips says the tv is too big of a distraction”
Philips may have predicted sat navs but they sure didn’t predict Teslas 30” screens
0:30 well, he won’t get far! His back tire is flat.
You certainly wouldn't argue with which way Karen told you to go.
Like @ fewish years later…. Literally cars had it… the German machines 100percent great show. It’s cool as fk.
See! It can be done without GPS. 😉 It would soon fall flat if roads were added or changed.
Thanks for this video.
Why does the voice of the computer sound like Frankie Howerd?
🤣🤣🤣🤣 The size of that screen! Must use a lot of power.
Now if you search for 80s music on UA-cam you often find people saying how the 80s were so much better.
No they weren't, and this video proves it!
When you turn it off I bet you gain an extra 50hsp
@@Steph.98114 😂😂😂
People look into the past with rose-tinted glasses but the moment they developed something like cancer they would be begging for 21st century medicine.
Well kids, this system too is now one of the many things bundled into a device we call a smart phone. It also includes an alarm clock that can play music, a videogame entertainment system, a professional photography camera, a video camera with automatic focus, a portable stereo set that doesn't require records or cassettes and has a tuner that can receive every radio station in the world, a typewriter that can make letters with different typefaces, a videophone, a weather prediction system, the time table for every public transport in the world, a library with every book ever written, an electronic shop where you can buy literally any product from any shop in the world .... the list goes on and on really.
And now we can even use our phones for navigation.
Nah, this new fangled technology will never catch on. Next he will say you can navigate by satellite the crazy man😆
The screen might be too much of a distraction. Hello from the distant world of we did it anyway!
Omg. I didn't know such thing existed. Kinda like Google maps
A screen a distraction, you say? Welcome to 2022 when changing the air vent direction is controlled behind 4 submenus on a massive screen causing hundreds of accidents.
tesla 🙃
Yep, in the future the system still doesn't work properly, and still sends you the wrong way... Haha.
Using a keyboard driving lol
Looks like a joke now, doesn't it?
From when Top Gear used to be a serious programme before the car crash clowns took over.
Philips say a screen would be too much of a distraction. I agree.
Ah, the days before GPS!! I still look at a map book before going any distance to an unfamliar place, I like to know the general route incase the sat nav tries any non preferred directions.
Why on earth would I want this monstrosity in my car when I have a phone?
a computer telling me my route? madness!
“You have deviated from the planned route”
This will never ever catch on ever.
Ha ha, a car navigation no way
My first impression was a cash machine.
I always see this and wonder if there exists a company or even a country that jumped onto this technology way to quickly and lost thousand or millions after they became obsolete in less then a decade. Imagine buying all the necessary systems for the cassette navigator only to have the CD one come out. Or you outfit your offices with the latest telephone and typewriter technology and then comes computers and printers. There has got to be a company or country that just when they finished upgrading, within a year, everything that was just a prototype or experiment comes to the market and they don’t have the money to keep up.
The idea for satellite navigation was already well known in the 1970s. It required several existing technologies to be refined and made affordable, but the principle, at least, was simple enough (and with the extra bonus of the US military releasing GPS for civilian use). I remember seeing this outlined in a book published circa 1982 that also predicted these systems using the then-forthcoming CDs, which were the first easily reproducible consumer format to be able to store large amounts of digital data that could be accessed quickly, but the computing power available then wouldn't have been able to do much.
Prototype Tesla Model 3 screen right there.
Ridiculous pie in the sky nonsense. I spent all of yesterday trying to buy one of these CD's for a journey to Dundee and they are not on sale anywhere.
People just don't want you being stuck in Dundee, they are being cruel to be kind.
Broadcast in 1986, absolutely wild to me that the technology was there 36 years ago
I am a child of the 80s.
We had Knight Rider with David Hasselhoff and Kitt with his GPS!
Seriously though, seeing that technology in TV shows make us want it, and now we have it.
Not sure if I let a Carin tell me what to do.
Jesus, you need a Van just to have one! lol
grandfather of google maps...
I still use a printed MapQuest.
I hired a Merc a while back with an audio nav system. You phoned an operator and told her your vehicle details and destination, and Presto! The car nagged you all the way home. 😂
I got married which produced similar results.
Looks great if you're happy to have a tower pc on your dashboard
Now how cool is this navigation system :D
Nowadays, we have phones taking over, but CDs are still practical and functional enough if they should be used.
Me me I'm a CD sat-nav man! 😀
Back in those days drivers learnt the roads and paid close attention to the road signs in unfamiliar areas. Good drivers would plan an unfamiliar or long journey beforehand, but if necessary you'd pull over in a safe place and review the map. For travel news we'd rely entirely upon either luck or the radio might inform you of places to avoid in time if you are lucky. We all still got from A to B, usually without issue. Now virtually all drivers today are totally reliant on sat navs, they don't learn the routes and would be completely lost without them.
They think having screens fitted to cars will be too distracting.
Meanwhile modern cars are fill with so much bumf and insist on having screens instead of physical buttons...
And let's not forget the screen that fits in your pocket that people seem to look at while driving
Now if I could just master the art of knee driving.
It's the cornering. Damn nuisance, I have to put down the phone to turn 🙄
You have to remember that all this done without the use of GPS - that wasn’t even a thing for another 10yrs, and even then it was only for military use.
I thought about a sundial on the roof, that would be some practical invention no?! Oh wait, at night, damn it, forgot about the nights, oh yes, a 'sextant' for the nights, of course!!! It's kching kching for me!
The future was bright, the future was Karen 😳
decades later, high end automobiles now use simple projector like the led shown in this video to show direction on the projector hud. shows how people are willing to roll back to inferior setups just for more convenience. same as when ssd was first adapted people are ok with the small capacity in favor of faster read/write speed. like how phone makers keep downsizing their phones until smartphone came up and now bigger = better.
Now u just type on fone
"Recalculating..."
Handsome host...
I am going to have to get one of these in my new Ford Cortina MK IV Ghia which I pick up next week.
I'm another 40 years we will be laughing at today's technology😂
well, self driving is just becoming a thing and what little is available took 50yrs.