And just like that it magically comes to life! So cool to know how much work your dad put into helping you live the dream. I am definitely not like dad. But a man of the navy can fix anything right 😉 Enjoy the ride!
We were so lucky he was willing to help us with all this! And so fun putting the work in ourselves too... Growing up, he could always fix just about anything! ☺️ Thanks so much for watching! I shared your comment with him, he'll love it! -Katelyn
Just wanted to say thank you for doing all of the research on this and putting this video together. I ordered the exact same parts for our 2016 Coachmen Prism (also a Mercedes 3500 RWD Dually Chassis). I dug around a bit more on the internet(s) and see that everyone who knows what's up is suggesting Argile Fox Shocks and the Hellwig Sway Bar. That said, I found it here first, because of you guys and your awesome video. I look forward to the parts arriving and throwing them on. Thanks again!
Wow, thanks so much, and really glad to hear our video was so helpful! The upgrade has made a world of difference, and I would recommend it to anyone with a Sprinter-based RV (B or C). Can't wait to hear a followup on what you think once you've installed on your Prism! Thanks again for watching, and hope you continue on the journey with us. 👍 - Howard
I just did this on our 2018 Navion on Saturday so we could head for NC on Sunday. The results are amazing and it was much easier than I thought it would be, even without pneumatic tools ;)
So I added a Hellwig sway-bar to our 2016 Winnebago Navion 24J today. Still waiting for our Agile custom tuned shocks to arrive. Hoping to see the same level of improvement you guys saw. Thanks for being out there on the “leading edge” for us!!
@@NewstateNomads Soon, we just returned from a 3 month 12,000 mile trip. I added 3 inch spacers to move the rear wheels out and that helps. The spacers are heavy duty and cost $300 a piece. I hoped that would be enough but it isn't.
I wanted to throw in another option which is to consider adding, not replacing, a Roadmaster sway bar in front of the rear axle and leave the stock sway bar in place. I did this on a 2020 Winnebago view with the Agile Off-road Fox 2.5 shocks based on the recommend of a life long RV shop and do not regret it. This costs more than the Hellwig solution but you also get more sway control. Game changer!
Thanks for this video....just found you and subscribed and looking forward to your Mexico adventures...Los Barilles on the Baja is a spot we have visited and loved, very small with great fishing...safe travels!
Hey, I know you guys have recently upgraded to a 2025 Winnebago, still on a Sprinter chassis. We're in the process of downsizing from our Thor Outlaw 38MB toyhauler to a 24' Class C on a Sprinter chassis so I'm curious if 1) you needed or performed any additional suspension mods on your old RV after doing the Fox shocks and Hellwig sway bar?, and 2) what, if anything, are you planning to do again or do differently on your new Sprinter chassis? My wife can't stand the body roll of our Outlaw and at one point going down into Flagstaff I had to pull over (not easy to do with a 40' class a pulling a 4-door Wrangler) because she had motion sickness, and another time she wanted me to stop and unhook the Jeep so she could just drive that and get out of the motorhome. So, I'm going to do whatever mods necessary to eliminate those kinds of problems as much as possible in the new Class C. There were some things that simply weren't available for the Outlaw, like a heavy duty rear sway bar, so it was tough. Thanks, and I hope you're enjoying the new rig! We built a house 8 miles outside of Zion and have a casita and RV parking with hookups, plus tons of BLM land across the road if you ever make your way back to southern UT.
Thank you for the video. Very helpful. Did you consider Sumo springs in the front? What is your father's/father in laws opinion on Sumo springs in the front?
Eli, definitely. After over 5 years of full time RV life in our 2019, it checks all the boxes for us. Loaded with features and amenities, spacious open floorplan, but still small enough to fit almost anywhere. 👍 -Howard
Maybe this will help if you dont already know... I always down shift the rv...tow mode too if you have it along with downshifting...when heading down moderate to steep grades...try and stay off the brakes as much as possible...but when you are using them pump them...Ive had a few rvs and currently have a chevrolet 3500 class c and the brakes are small thus even more issue than the larger braked fords..Im unsure about your sprinter chassis but they are prob smaller too due to the lighter chassis...practice this and live it ALWAYS...it will really help. Also if that is a diesel doesnt it have the decel feature? Use it too if it does...try and minimize the brake as much as possible.
Thanks for watching, and great advice! We do downshift (Sprinters will also automatically downshift when you are at an angle and hitting the brakes). This was on one of the steepest roads in North America outside of Whistler, BC and ours wasn't the only vehicle with smoking brakes! We've now upgraded the pads to heavy duty for towing, and can already feel a difference. 👍 -Howard
More control = more stiffer? Or More control = still soft..? My van is very lightly build but need softer ride in the back, would these Fox shock will dampen the ride instead stiffen it?
The difference is night and day! So much better, my only regret is not doing it sooner. You really can tell a difference and it makes for a much more enjoyable ride.
Great video, I’m also doing this upgrade on my 2019 Jayco Melbourne 24L with 2018 sprinter chassis. How did your Navion ride after the modification on interstates or US highways
Claude, thanks for watching, and yes it's the same chassis year! Definitely an improvement. Way less push from wind and trucks, and you can feel the difference in stability when driving. For us, this is a must upgrade for any Sprinter B or C RV. 👍 Let me know if you have any questions, and would love to hear your thoughts once you finish the upgrade! -Howard
We just ordered a 2022 Winnebago 24D View. I’m a bit nervous of the swaying. Do you know if Winnebago improved this on the newer models or should we plan on upgrading the shocks and sway bar?
Congratulations on the new View! Definitely join the FB group "View/Navion Motorhomes" for lots of friendly fellow owners. The newer Mercedes chassis does have a thicker sway bar from the factory, but many are still upgrading at the least the shocks in the rear (Agile Fox shocks). Some have also gone with the Hellwig sway bar since I've read it is still a thicker alternative to the factory even on the newer chassis. Hope that helps! -Howard
Thanks for watching, and yes! This made a huge difference for us in sway, and made the already easy to drive chassis even more stable. To clarify, the links below are for our generation of Sprinter chassis. If you click through, check for fit/compatibility. Agile for instance will insist you specify which model year chassis you have and enter part of the VIN to confirm. Everything was in the box that we needed for both items (separate purchases), so I guess the kit question is yes? Let us know if you have any other questions! 👍 -Howard
Hi Kurgen, the Agile Fox 2.5 shocks are sold by Agile for $489. The sway bar on Amazon is $326. Both are worth every penny for the improvements on the suspension! Here's a link to the sway bar on Amazon. Thanks so much for watching. 👍 -Howard amzn.to/3mjpU0H
My Sprinter MH feels like there is no springs, crash bang crash over every bump, it has a heavy sway bar airbags assist on the rear, and booster springs on the front but still only two inches of travel to the bumpstops.
Graham, what chassis year is your MH? You could look into adding more leaf springs to help with that (though I'm not sure if you can have both increased springs with Air Bags). The Agile 2.5 rear shocks were a big improvement for us. -Howard
@@NewstateNomads 2015 and it is the front end mostly that bottoms out or so it seems, I intend to stick a GoPro on the bottom and see what happens on the road, that way I will see in real time. The air bags deal with the rear end OK but still too hard for comfort.
Jai, thanks so much for finding us! Agile Off-road sells their products direct, and the Hellwig sway bar is usually available on Amazon (just checked, out of stock right now): www.amazon.com/dp/B003LFDSHS/?ref=exp_newstatenomads_dp_vv_mw
Snowflake, here. ❄️ Katelyn's dad really wanted to install the parts as a gift to us since that's what he does for a living. Doesn't hurt he had all the tools, too. Thanks for watching! -Howard
And just like that it magically comes to life! So cool to know how much work your dad put into helping you live the dream. I am definitely not like dad. But a man of the navy can fix anything right 😉 Enjoy the ride!
We were so lucky he was willing to help us with all this! And so fun putting the work in ourselves too... Growing up, he could always fix just about anything! ☺️ Thanks so much for watching! I shared your comment with him, he'll love it! -Katelyn
Just wanted to say thank you for doing all of the research on this and putting this video together. I ordered the exact same parts for our 2016 Coachmen Prism (also a Mercedes 3500 RWD Dually Chassis). I dug around a bit more on the internet(s) and see that everyone who knows what's up is suggesting Argile Fox Shocks and the Hellwig Sway Bar. That said, I found it here first, because of you guys and your awesome video. I look forward to the parts arriving and throwing them on. Thanks again!
Wow, thanks so much, and really glad to hear our video was so helpful! The upgrade has made a world of difference, and I would recommend it to anyone with a Sprinter-based RV (B or C). Can't wait to hear a followup on what you think once you've installed on your Prism! Thanks again for watching, and hope you continue on the journey with us. 👍 - Howard
I just did this on our 2018 Navion on Saturday so we could head for NC on Sunday. The results are amazing and it was much easier than I thought it would be, even without pneumatic tools ;)
So I added a Hellwig sway-bar to our 2016 Winnebago Navion 24J today. Still waiting for our Agile custom tuned shocks to arrive. Hoping to see the same level of improvement you guys saw. Thanks for being out there on the “leading edge” for us!!
Thanks for watching, and so glad you found us! Yes, we're still very happy with the upgrade. Really came in handy in Mexico! -Howard
That's high on my priority list of upgrades for our View.
Bill, it's a great DIY upgrade, and really improved the ride. Particularly down here in Mexico! -Howard
@@NewstateNomads Soon, we just returned from a 3 month 12,000 mile trip. I added 3 inch spacers to move the rear wheels out and that helps. The spacers are heavy duty and cost $300 a piece. I hoped that would be enough but it isn't.
Still trying to watch all the videos y’all have here and like always thank you for the time and effort y’all put on making videos
Well thank YOU for watching and so glad to hear you enjoy our videos! Lots more adventures to share. 👍 -Howard
I wanted to throw in another option which is to consider adding, not replacing, a Roadmaster sway bar in front of the rear axle and leave the stock sway bar in place. I did this on a 2020 Winnebago view with the Agile Off-road Fox 2.5 shocks based on the recommend of a life long RV shop and do not regret it.
This costs more than the Hellwig solution but you also get more sway control.
Game changer!
Thanks for this video....just found you and subscribed and looking forward to your Mexico adventures...Los Barilles on the Baja is a spot we have visited and loved, very small with great fishing...safe travels!
Barbara, thanks so much for watching and subscribing! Baja will be the tail end of our trip, but I'm adding your suggestion to our list. -Howard
New title: Mr & Mrs. Good Wrench! Special thanks Dad!
lol, we're definitely thankful for all the help Katelyn's dad gave us. Quite the gift for our travels! -Howard
Dad to the rescue
Do u recall the part # for the sway bars? Thanks
Hi Lars, you have a 2018 or earlier Mercedes chassis, yes? In that case, it's this one: amzn.to/3RmE6ID
Helwig 7254. Hope that helps! -Howard
Hey, I know you guys have recently upgraded to a 2025 Winnebago, still on a Sprinter chassis. We're in the process of downsizing from our Thor Outlaw 38MB toyhauler to a 24' Class C on a Sprinter chassis so I'm curious if 1) you needed or performed any additional suspension mods on your old RV after doing the Fox shocks and Hellwig sway bar?, and 2) what, if anything, are you planning to do again or do differently on your new Sprinter chassis?
My wife can't stand the body roll of our Outlaw and at one point going down into Flagstaff I had to pull over (not easy to do with a 40' class a pulling a 4-door Wrangler) because she had motion sickness, and another time she wanted me to stop and unhook the Jeep so she could just drive that and get out of the motorhome. So, I'm going to do whatever mods necessary to eliminate those kinds of problems as much as possible in the new Class C. There were some things that simply weren't available for the Outlaw, like a heavy duty rear sway bar, so it was tough.
Thanks, and I hope you're enjoying the new rig! We built a house 8 miles outside of Zion and have a casita and RV parking with hookups, plus tons of BLM land across the road if you ever make your way back to southern UT.
I have no idea about car parts. This video however looks interesting. Hope your RV works better now.
Thank you for the video. Very helpful. Did you consider Sumo springs in the front? What is your father's/father in laws opinion on Sumo springs in the front?
Do you still feel like the Navion is a good choice For full time living?
Eli, definitely. After over 5 years of full time RV life in our 2019, it checks all the boxes for us. Loaded with features and amenities, spacious open floorplan, but still small enough to fit almost anywhere. 👍 -Howard
Maybe this will help if you dont already know... I always down shift the rv...tow mode too if you have it along with downshifting...when heading down moderate to steep grades...try and stay off the brakes as much as possible...but when you are using them pump them...Ive had a few rvs and currently have a chevrolet 3500 class c and the brakes are small thus even more issue than the larger braked fords..Im unsure about your sprinter chassis but they are prob smaller too due to the lighter chassis...practice this and live it ALWAYS...it will really help. Also if that is a diesel doesnt it have the decel feature? Use it too if it does...try and minimize the brake as much as possible.
Thanks for watching, and great advice! We do downshift (Sprinters will also automatically downshift when you are at an angle and hitting the brakes). This was on one of the steepest roads in North America outside of Whistler, BC and ours wasn't the only vehicle with smoking brakes! We've now upgraded the pads to heavy duty for towing, and can already feel a difference. 👍 -Howard
More control = more stiffer?
Or
More control = still soft..?
My van is very lightly build but need softer ride in the back, would these Fox shock will dampen the ride instead stiffen it?
How is the ride on the hwy with the new suspension?
The difference is night and day! So much better, my only regret is not doing it sooner. You really can tell a difference and it makes for a much more enjoyable ride.
Great video, I’m also doing this upgrade on my 2019 Jayco Melbourne 24L with 2018 sprinter chassis. How did your Navion ride after the modification on interstates or US highways
Claude, thanks for watching, and yes it's the same chassis year! Definitely an improvement. Way less push from wind and trucks, and you can feel the difference in stability when driving. For us, this is a must upgrade for any Sprinter B or C RV. 👍 Let me know if you have any questions, and would love to hear your thoughts once you finish the upgrade! -Howard
Almost sold on these upgrades but can't find them available anywhere :(
We just ordered a 2022 Winnebago 24D View. I’m a bit nervous of the swaying. Do you know if Winnebago improved this on the newer models or should we plan on upgrading the shocks and sway bar?
Congratulations on the new View! Definitely join the FB group "View/Navion Motorhomes" for lots of friendly fellow owners. The newer Mercedes chassis does have a thicker sway bar from the factory, but many are still upgrading at the least the shocks in the rear (Agile Fox shocks). Some have also gone with the Hellwig sway bar since I've read it is still a thicker alternative to the factory even on the newer chassis. Hope that helps! -Howard
Do you guys still love this mod? Did you buy a kit? We've been considering this because that sqay of side to side is 🤯
Thanks for watching, and yes! This made a huge difference for us in sway, and made the already easy to drive chassis even more stable. To clarify, the links below are for our generation of Sprinter chassis. If you click through, check for fit/compatibility. Agile for instance will insist you specify which model year chassis you have and enter part of the VIN to confirm. Everything was in the box that we needed for both items (separate purchases), so I guess the kit question is yes? Let us know if you have any other questions! 👍 -Howard
Thank you for getting backnso quickly! Hope you're doing well still while in quarantine.
Wonder how much
Hi Kurgen, the Agile Fox 2.5 shocks are sold by Agile for $489. The sway bar on Amazon is $326. Both are worth every penny for the improvements on the suspension! Here's a link to the sway bar on Amazon. Thanks so much for watching. 👍 -Howard amzn.to/3mjpU0H
My Sprinter MH feels like there is no springs, crash bang crash over every bump, it has a heavy sway bar airbags assist on the rear, and booster springs on the front but still only two inches of travel to the bumpstops.
Graham, what chassis year is your MH? You could look into adding more leaf springs to help with that (though I'm not sure if you can have both increased springs with Air Bags). The Agile 2.5 rear shocks were a big improvement for us. -Howard
@@NewstateNomads 2015 and it is the front end mostly that bottoms out or so it seems, I intend to stick a GoPro on the bottom and see what happens on the road, that way I will see in real time. The air bags deal with the rear end OK but still too hard for comfort.
@@GWAYGWAY1 I installed sumo springs back and front. Much improved.
Shocking! :) hahaha!!
Hahaha I couldn't help myself! -Howard
where to buy these items from. Agile Offroad Tuned Fox Shocks with the Hellwig Sway Bar.
Jai, thanks so much for finding us! Agile Off-road sells their products direct, and the Hellwig sway bar is usually available on Amazon (just checked, out of stock right now): www.amazon.com/dp/B003LFDSHS/?ref=exp_newstatenomads_dp_vv_mw
Why the heck didn't the snowflake get under there and do the work himself?
Snowflake, here. ❄️ Katelyn's dad really wanted to install the parts as a gift to us since that's what he does for a living. Doesn't hurt he had all the tools, too. Thanks for watching! -Howard