Story 1: My wife(26) asked for a open relationship, I agreed(27) Story 2: 2:44 UPDATE 8:46 Updated: My wife [37F] and I [39M] entered into an open marriage at her request. Now she wants to close it up again.
@Damon Cord I mean, to be fair, is anyone ever going to spontaneously suggest an open relationship out of the blue, without having met someone they want to try out? Even when it's a partner who wants to bring an additional person/couple into the bedroom and just wants to have orgies with their spouse, there's always going to be a person/people in mind before the suggestion is made.
@@CatacombD facts it's literally precheating lol. If an "open marriage" works for some people go for it but humans either can or can't be monogamous and I feel like too many people get married before they experiment in life enough to know which one they are.
Polyamorous, as it's says, it's allways one of the persons that going to feel possessive and from thereone it's going downhill and destroy all trust between those involved, if it ever ever going to work it has to be outspoken and voluntarily from before they even had a relation with each other. Monogami isn't a forced situation were people can demand or manipulate each other to sex either, it build on trust and to evolve and mature in togetherness, they are suppose to learn how to seduce and listen to each other, to help the spouse and to have each other to reflect on their own behaviour so both can become a more evolved soul and spirit, to try to repeat the feelings excitement from younger years or from the beginning of their relationship were the arousment comes from that they think the other person is something like their ideal partner (but that is just in their own fantasy) when in reallity they have to learn to know each other and also themself through the partner, partners that can be trusted can actually give response and help with making each other better, there is a difference between constructive criticism and negative criticism that tries to lower the partners confidence in themself, but in todays world 99 out of 100 advice to women and men are given in a way that they should misstrust each other from day one and therefore seek to either seek to gain all benefits from it for themself out of it before it ends or gaming a totally in powerposition like it was a country and "there can be only one ruler in the country" or to choose to never ever go into a relationship at all either by banging arround with no centerpoint partner on the map,or choosing celebacy and avoidance of that kind of relationship at all and concentrate ones energy on other subjects to work on like like ideologies, ideas, careers, creating material projects etc... It really looks like the idea of a lifelong companionship is destinied a bitter fate in the future when the whole society that once worked for helping that type of relations to work out by either support or by starting laws to protect it, but that changed now and the society instead protects those who wants to break it up and to never be trusted into that problems with in a relation could be solved over time and by hard work, not it's branding in to support the one that can benefit most from destroying it and the ex spouse. So it's not much hope for a relation that over time could have been good but in period has it lows, that type of relations is doomed in todays world, were the faithfull person is clearly the biggest looser every time in nearly 100% of the time. It's time to secure our own future first and not the other persons who could have been or are a partner, new forms of how we socialize and meet for sex, babies probably have to be born and brought up in a öre scientific manner in the future world, is there going to be baby manufacturing plants that put genetics material together after descibing it for the parent who want it, yes I didn't say parents but parent, because the same sex couples seems to have the same habits of breaking up relations, and those in todays world that celebrate that the traditional family values are destroyed seems not to know their double standards when they celebrate the same type of relations in same sex couples, so what do they really think about monogamy families.? do they even care with such an double standard they show us.?
I was very excited to have an open relationship with one of my exes. He denied it every time. Turns out he was cheating on his girlfriend of two years with me and at least 5 others and he wanted us all to himself. I don’t date anymore.
Yeah, it wasn't about Amber at all. It was because the wife wanted to have an affair but didn't want to lose her cash cow. Now that she's been dumped, she's miserable and feels used, and is mad that you're enjoying your side piece. She enjoyed the attention when she felt like a priority, but now she's back burner. Hopefully he doesn't get a divorce just yet. Make her work first so she won't be able to get as much in spousal support.
@@samuelmatheson9655 and was probably already cheating with him, but opened the marriage so shr didn't hsve to worry about getting caught.... also funny how she was all into it when she had 2 men wanting her, but when her ing fizzled out she was left with one man who was more interested in the new relationship (even though it wasn't going anywhere) so she ended up with exactly what she left her husband with in the beginning; 1/2 hearted attention from the one who took a vow to love and support you always..... funny how she didn't care about that situation in the beginning, but irate at the end whe she gets hosed instead of him....
Story 2: What a piece of human trash. Manipulation , no accountability, and drama. The best thing you can do is leave. 14 year old is old enough. Tell your daughter the truth and let her decide. Dont ever accept threats from someone you love. People who love each other doesnt threaten or manipulate.
The fact that they have a 12 and 14 year old is what makes the open marriage thing kinda sick. Like you can do that shit when it's just you and the wife but the minute you have a kid, that's game over for that shit. Cause Oh this is just mommy's friend bob, were gonna go "wrestle" while daddy plays "twister" with his friend Tina isn't a convo you should be having with your kid.
this is actually a trait for every narcissistic person or manipulative person. It's illegal if you're happy instead of suffering lol. (from my experience)
Ain't that the truth! lol Right there, right there is the whole mystery of the universe! When a woman benefits, life is good, when a man enjoys himself, it's world war 3! WTF?
The other problem is that the “good” parent keeps the truth from their kids, which actually makes then situation worse, increasing the risk their kids will fall to manipulation. Once the game is in progress, you have to tell the kids the facts. Don’t say things regarding feelings or underlying motivations. Just spell out who, what, when, how, and why. If could be as simple as follows: Your mom demanded an open relationship under threat of divorce. I agreed and we both had partners outside the relationship. Your mom’s partner broke it off, so she demanded we close the marriage under threat of divorce. I demanded she sign an agreement limiting what she could get in a divorce because she threaten divorce twice. She disagreed. We went to counseling. I found out the guy she was with was an exboyfriend. I was upset and stayed at a hotel last night. This is the current situation. We both still love you regardless of how this works out in the end.
Open relationships can be fine if both parties are on the same page. This couple isn't because she is toxic and manipulative and he was uncomfortable with it.
I hate how some of these wives are stupid enough to get convinced by some sleeze bag to sleep with them. If Op really wants to save his marriage though he should end the open marriage and have a stern chat with his wife I guess
@@raymondbanton9365 yuuupp. She just didn't wanted to have the cheating label. Nobody has a 2nd partner ready just in case their spouse agrees to an open marriage.
@NurturingTalents Exactly, I just never get the point of open marriage. Why get married then?? I guess people get their "kink" from banging other people aside from their spouses? 🤷♂️
Let's see...wife threatens divorce if she can't have an "open marriage," husband agrees and she's got a "boy toy" in 24 hours? 24 hours...dude, she was simply "clearing the deck" to validate something she'd already decided to do or was already doing anyway. If she'd found a better ride, she'd have divorced him anyway...he was supposed to sit on the sidelines and wait to get it in the neck. Dude, feel the nausea, blow the chunks of you must...but *lawyer up* and fast!
Let's not forget when he found someone she stalked him and tried to position herself to break things up between them and when he pointed out how she went about it wasn't part of the agreement she wanted to close it again. I don't blame him coming up with in my opinion reasonable terms. She brought about the situation because she wanted to cheat without it being called cheating she doesn't just get to end it and expect things to return to how they were because it's now unfavorable for her .
@@CunoWiederhold I assume the latter. She probably expected her husband to sit at home lamenting what has become of their marriage and wait for her to come back to him instead of coming to the realization that what they had was no more , that she was only his wife on paper and that he would live his life accordingly if they weren't going to divorce.
If there was a line she jumped to cross it. Mutual rules? Wants to end it when it's no longer favorable for her. Don't tell the kids, friends or family? Tells daughter. Don't talk about partners? Stalks him to sabotage his relationship. Wants a divorce if she doesn't get her way? Refuses to agree to a divorce because she wants keep living rent free. I wish op had the sense to see the writing on the wall at the onset, where she threatened a divorce. The marriage was already over at that point so he should have called her bluff, but he genuinely loved her thought agreeing though begrudgingly would keep her. Now be wants to distance from her by she getting a job to learn how to support herself, her answer, nope. I'm going to turn our daughter against you so if we do divorce, I get custody and child support, plus marital assets and alimony. This woman is evil.
love how the people in the second "open marriage" story blame OP for everything when the wife is the one that wanted it, probably had an emotional affair (atleast) before the open marriage) etc aaannnd the wife is a cheating psycho the conditions he wanted for them closing the marriage were more than reasonable also ... thats for once a decent therapist in a cheater story
Actually, everyone was saying for OP not to delude himself that the marriage was fixable. They didn’t believe the Wife was fixable, and yes, it turned out, if you stuck to the end, that Wife’s ‘fling’ was actually an Ex Boyfriend from High School that she didn’t go to third base with, regretted not doing so, so this open marriage was her want to go all the way. Nasty vile woman, and then she dragged her daughter into it after they said to keep the kids out of it. Just absolutely a vile person.
Court actually they never would have met, the wife manipulated the entire thing, after weeks of stalking the fling. Also, if you listened, Wife’s affair was actually her ex boyfriend she never fucked and regretted not fucking, so she forced the open marriage so she could go fuck the ex boyfriend. All ‘he never should he’s stupid for’ goes out the window in face of that.
@@Norinia it’s not about them not meeting.it’s not about the parents at all. It’s about there being any hint at a risk of someone finding out about the affair in the school. There are dos and donts and sleeping with a mom that kid is in your kids band is fucked up, im sorry. If that kid found out they would be mortified and if it went round the school they would be endlessly bullied... so no, it’s not cool to sleep with someone from your own kids school. There are a million other places. We had a kid whose mom slept with another parent in the hockey team. They ended up divorced and the kid had to leave the school because of the bullying, parents acting selfishly cost kids and also strain parent kid relationships
@@chameleon28 yeh but those wrongs aren’t even close to being in the same magnitude. It’s like if one guys stole $10 from another dude and the other dude shot him in the leg. Yeh they were both in the wrong but not to the same degree.
Second story: the moment your wife suggested an open marriage you should have known there was someone else already. The AF is always someone who is familiar to them. She is trying to have it all without giving up anything. Very selfish. Get a separation. Try and get custody of your daughter and tell her to move out. This was all her idea and a judge might side with you because of that.
"I want an open marriage or divorce" "Let me think about it, today I sleep on the couch" and immediately call for your lawyer and a PI. They will get results before noon next day Then after work just present evidence and papers "Divorce it is, your AP's wife got a copy btw"
when "open relationship" idea get's floated, it's over, end it like adults, i didn't even play games like this as a teenager, my god where do you even find these animals?
To me, I think a lot of it depends on what they mean by, "Open." If they mean, "I got a person in mind that I'm going to start banging, and you should start looking too," that's not a good sign, and is usually just, "I want to be allowed to cheat on you." If they mean, "I met an adventurous group of people, and thought that we might bring them into the bedroom and have some 3some-4some-orgy fun," then it's much more understandable, and potentially fine. Basically, it boils down to whether they want to share some partners *WITH* their spouse, or if they just want a partner on the side *WITHOUT* their spouse.
"Open marriage for me, but not for thee," followed up by "We need to close up again because you're having too much fun and how could you ruin our marriage by going along with my suggestions or knuckling under to my ultimatums because I'm insecure and like to play with fire?"
It's because open relationship bad, your either a dumb simp for staying at home waiting for your wife to come home from a night of fucking or you're an asshole for also getting a partner assuming the openness went both ways. honestly though its because to these people the OP that gets a side piece in these situations seems like less of an underdog to them. yes, they did what the relationship allowed but this freeform movement and adaptation doesn't lend itself to what some people would consider the "hero" in these stories. people want OPs that are begging and demanding a stronger marriage rather than ones that follow the wife rules and get something for themselves, its like revenge affairs but less spiteful.
@@_Sage967_ You're a Child and yet have to discover things in life and relationships. An open relationship isn't as bad as you make it as long as both Partners are absolutely secure about their Emotional feelings; as soon as there's even a tiny nudge of 'What if' it has to stop. But a relationship like that will dig up even the tiniest insecurities you have in the deepest parts of your soul, which is why you *have* to be 100% aware of yourself.
@@lolly166541 i think that due to me not using interchanging caps lock you failed to understand that the statement at the start of my comment was a parody of people who said OP was bad, a child, or causing the problems with the marriage for agreeing to the open relationship. the simplistic mindest shows how idiotic that thinking is when you realize two consenting adults can do whatever the hell they please (within legal and some moral reason). I don't care if people have open relationships personally.
@@lolly166541 As soon as there's a 'tiny nudge of 'What if'' it has to stop? No, the whole relationship is fucked by that point. It's not a door you can close.
@@SWORDASH Say that louder. The people who think polyamorous is the way to go don't understand that is more people = more problems. If people aren't worth crap (generally speaking) in a monogamous relationship, why would people be worth anything in a polyamorous one?
The first story, its completely her dumb idea to want the open marriage in the first place. Where the hell does she get off trying to blame him for anything? Like these woman cant seem to understand that an open relationship is open for both people. They seem to think that making it open so they can go screw the guy they wanted to cheat with is fine until it flops and wants to reign in the husband after she had her fun.
Sounds like she had a boyfriend outside the marriage and wanted to ‘Open’ the marriage to justify it. Then when he dumped her she wanted to ‘close’ the marriage to keep the husband around.
@@mattwho81 Yea that and or she saw OP was enjoying himself more than she liked and she may have even seen the possibility that he may move on from her. Which is why I think she asked about his experiences afterwards.
@@raymondjohnson2744 whatever reason she asked him, it was the fact that he paid for it that upset her. Maybe that is because pros have extremely high body counts and she fears infections. Maybe because it shows he is cold and callous and isnt interested in the sensual kind of sex she wanted in her life. Theres so many reasons for her to feel weird about him paying for sex, then that he had "fun". Maybe she's upset because she finally realized that their ideas of fun are completely opposite.
@@carolsimpson4422 Disregarding your assumptions of what either wanted in their sex life. She asked to close the relationship again because she was already feeling uncomfortable and insecure before she asked about his experiences which hints to issues before learning about the escort and that she proceeded to blame their failing relationship on him alludes to that as well. That's just my opinion based on what's presented though.
Op: I think we should get burgers for dinner. Wife: No, I want pizza and if we don't get pizza I'll divorce you. Op: OK we can get pizza. Wife: No, I changed my mind, I want burgers and if we don't get that I'll divorce you.
She was probably already having an affair and when you went and had your fun with the escort that was her getting a taste feeling cheated on why else would a woman want to open a marriage?
Yeeeah, that's typically how it goes. My ex didn't anticipate I'd have much success in the open relationship she wanted (I wanted to be exclusive), and of course it upset her.
from what I've seen 90% of people who want an open relationship with their marriage already have someone lined up and they just don't want to "cheat" so they purpose an open relationship as if it's a free pass only for 80% of them not to work out due to the person they were into either moving on or it was just a quick lust thing that was never going to be more than a few times, and then get mad at their SO when the open relationship is working better for them. quite frankly this is exactly why i have problems with cheaters they'll do next to anything to either turn it back on their innocent SO or blame everyone but themselves when it blows up in their face.
1st story: SHE opened Pandora's Box by suggesting an open relationship in the first place. She sowed it, she reaped it. Edit: ditto on the second story.
Rule of thumb- As soon as your partner wants to see other people, END THE RELATIONSHIP IMMEDIATELY and do not waver. It's already over and nothing you can do will ever fix it. Maintain your dignity and don't allow them in when they come crawling back.
First story: I’m not surprised your wife discovered that you have options now so she got jealous. It always seems that the conceit of the woman makes her think that they hinge will always turn out better for her, and that she can always get the man back.
Lol to the Redditors blaming OP in Story 1. But Story 1 did have an update. OP’s wife’s behavior escalated to the point she started physically abusing OP. He still tried to salvage the marriage, but then gave up and filed for divorce after she threw a knife at him. He filmed one of her violent episodes, which ended up helping him in the divorce.
Problem is, the wife never grew up. Married at 22, kid and a stay at home mom by 23. That's barely out of college, or still in for some people. She never mentally matured as any adult like you do through mid 20s living on your own and working; to her she probably still feels like she's in college and has a severe case of arrested development. That's why a high school ex matters to her, it only feels like a couple of years ago to her. So you have a situation of arrested development fighting against the passage of time and the wife just imploded. That's also why she'd do stupid things like threaten divorce, she's used to the mindset of getting what she wants like most early 20s girls. Honestly, they need to get divorced so she can try to make it on her own, I'd bet within a year or two she'd be begging to come back, realizing that all the free passes you get as a girl in her early 20s you don't get as a woman in her late 30s.
@Iori Van Hail it's fairly obvious where you stopped reading. I said never matured as one does when they are living on their own in their mid 20s and responsible for everything that entails. People by and large start to have a broader view of things when they have to take care of themselves for a few years rather than always being in at least a semi-sheltered environment. Nowhere did I say people should be actively raised non stop until their 24.
@Be Ri lol what are you even talking about? I said literally nothing about sex, I'm talking about responsibility: making sure your bills are all in order and paid on time, learning how to cook for yourself not using something already made in a bag or a can, budgeting, cleaning up after yourself in a timely fashion. Does living on your own also entail having fun? Yes, but you can do that in high school. After college is supposed to be where you spend a few years not under the umbrella of parents or a university so you figure out this adulting thing, "life in the big city" as it were, where you learn more about yourself, because fewer people are there to nudge you and if you mess up the consequences are a lot more serious. If she went from high school to college to married stay at home mom, she likely never had to shoulder the entire responsibility of her own life. I honestly don't know how you read what i wrote and thought sexual experience.
That doesn’t happen to everyone. I married my high school sweetheart right out of high school and had our first baby at 19. I’ve worked from home the whole time. I’m now 42, we’ve been together for 25 years, neither of us has cheated, etc. I instead chalk her problems up to boredom and selfishness, rather than never growing up due to early marriage and isolation. It was just in her to be a cheater. A lot of people who marry later still cheat too, just because they want to...no excuse needed. She’s just a garden variety a-hole ho. That’s the only excuse needed for her.
"She'd do stupid things like threaten divorce, she's used to the mindset of getting what she wants like most early 20s girls" I'm not quite sure where this "most" part comes from but she really seems like an entitled snob to me, probably never had anyone say no to her. As a 17 year old female surrounded by women, pretty sure we know better than to act that way. This was a problem she had from the environment she was in rather than her being a woman in her early 20's , either that or she was raised that way
"I want an open marriage" never seems to end well unless you state going into it that you're not monogamous (and even that is not a guarantee); however too many times we see it after the fact, and translated to plain human speak it actually means, "I've found someone else I want to sleep with but don't want you to accuse me of cheating." In all of the cases I have heard about, the person that wanted to open it gets it out of their system, and gets jealous that Spouse B is enjoying it. Also, “her partner is in an open marriage but his wife is not aware” means the guy is NOT actually in an open marriage, but is cheating with your wife.
you should just continue your open relationship, what's she gonna do? file for divorce? on what grounds? if you play your cards right then she won't recieve anything from you other than bare minimum (which kinda makes sense as she is SAHM). there is no negotiating, there's is nothing, but my command and your acceptance.
depends on location. If they had an agreement she would be a stay at home mom, then he could be on the hook to still support her with alimony and child support even with shared custody. It might not be forever. A judge could easily split your income in half to give to the mother just so each parent has an even income to not be able to buy the kids' affection.
@@trickmiller8169 I've heard a few situations where the man is left with almost nothing and couch surfing while she gets the house, the kids, vehicle, alimony, and child support. I think in those cases she absolutely will be able to buy their affection.
@@drl5002 Yea. Child support doesn't really look into the needs of the man or really ascertain what a woman uses the money for. This is because the courts get a kickback based upon how much the courts deem the man needs to pay. I've seen paystubs from guys who have to pay child support. Seeing a man paycheck go from $700 to 150 is insane.
Second story: smart move when he set new boundaries after. If she wants something she has to sacrifice something. And taking the "stay at home mom position away" kinda decrease her chances of having a affair while he's at work.
This will never work now! Serve her the papers! This has all been her own doing! And then she tries turning the kids against you! She has no respect for you!
Open relationships never work because one partner either gets jealous or just agreed to it. It hardly works when both partners are open with it. Swingers have a hard time.
The wife tried to play a game. She lost her game playing by her rules and now she wants to change the game again. It's like a kid flipping a game board over when losing.
An open relationship is a lot of things, some even slightly positive. What it is NOT is a marriage of any kind. Acting like a 16yo just dating around lacks any commitment which is the foundation of ALL marriages.
once a partner asks for an open marriage, the marriage is done right at that moment, you divorce if you say no they will do it anyways, they already have someone in mind, if they havent cheated yet with that person they will soon enough, you have to realize they are telling you directly they want to cheat, at that very second they ask, the relationship is over
I came to the realization that open relationships can only ever work when they mutually started that way in the first place. If both of you want your relationship to be an open one, specifically in the early phase where you would "need" another partner the least, then this just seems to be how relationships should work for the both of you. If you want to start opening a relationship that you initially did not want to be open, then this idea is only the result of the relationship failing.
Story 2. Your marriage is dead. Your wife had an affair and made you an accomplice to it. Get a lawyer asap. You can be sure these aren't the only lies your wife's told you.
The gender split on affairs is 50/50 dude lol. Plenty of men step out. Plenty of women step out. Almost makes you wonder if monogamy is actually possible for most people.
@@renoloverxoxo sadly it probably won't be, with feminism encouraging women to sleep around and young men be raised wrong it'll probably just go down hill from there
from my experience, when some people ask for open marriages it is because they themselves want to try sex with others....but they expect that its them that will enjoy it, but the other wont, or will stay 'loyal' to them. its fun for me, but you arent allowed.
Well when some one propose open marraige , instantly divorce papers, you shouldnt be including yourself into this circus process. Better for them to stay single.
Can never understand how people can't just stay faithful and have to gloss over it with a label.....and in my own experience, people who are open have no problem with trying to push their luck in attempting to infect my relationship with their bile.
story 1: The wife wanted to have fun, but for her the idea of her husband having more fun than she is is inedible Story 2: Isn't forcing a relationship to open with someone already in mind betrayal?
When a woman asks for an open relationship you can 100% believe that she is either already cheating or has someone lined up and ready to go after getting her husband's permission to openly cheat because she does not want to give up the security he offers. If she has someone lined up it means there was already an EA and plans for a PA.
Open "relationships" are literally never anything but a torpedo into the relationship. Opening relationships is like opening holes in the hull of a ship: just leads to them sinking and its only a matter of time before all involved are underwater
OMG i feel exactly like this, my wife asked to "see if the grass was greener" with a high school sweetheart, and i accepted, the marriage opened up after that, i had 1 partner during this time, and i ended up falling for said partner, my wife has had a few since then, i want to end the marriage, but i am incapable of calling the lawyer properly
God knows, how awesome is it to be single sometimes. Watching this open relationship idea videos since few days. Its k.o argument and when someone bring that up, you can be sure it's nearly over.
I'd be crushed if my partner asked for that, then I'd be single. No discussions. It's driven by egoism and I believe in most cases that they just want a free card to F one particular person, they don't anticipate that their partners might actually do it too and usually fall flat on their faces when the affair doesN#t work. There's no love in that.
2nd story: kids are 12 and 14 there is no reason for the wife to be home and not working. She is just a stay at home mooch hence not wanting to wave spousal support. She wants to continue mooching after they get divorced.
Story 1:
My wife(26) asked for a open relationship, I agreed(27)
Story 2: 2:44 UPDATE 8:46
Updated: My wife [37F] and I [39M] entered into an open marriage at her request. Now she wants to close it up again.
Divorce her
First story: also known as ‘I want to try things outside the relationship but wasn’t expecting him to find other women so quickly’
Rules for thee but not for me.
That sounds like most of these open marriage stories lol
@Damon Cord I mean, to be fair, is anyone ever going to spontaneously suggest an open relationship out of the blue, without having met someone they want to try out? Even when it's a partner who wants to bring an additional person/couple into the bedroom and just wants to have orgies with their spouse, there's always going to be a person/people in mind before the suggestion is made.
@@CatacombD facts it's literally precheating lol. If an "open marriage" works for some people go for it but humans either can or can't be monogamous and I feel like too many people get married before they experiment in life enough to know which one they are.
@@inciacci549 laws for you, doesn’t apply to me too.
The problem with open relationships, the one that asks, thinks they will have more fun. When it backfires, they get insecure very quickly
Polyamorous, as it's says, it's allways one of the persons that going to feel possessive and from thereone it's going downhill and destroy all trust between those involved, if it ever ever going to work it has to be outspoken and voluntarily from before they even had a relation with each other.
Monogami isn't a forced situation were people can demand or manipulate each other to sex either, it build on trust and to evolve and mature in togetherness, they are suppose to learn how to seduce and listen to each other, to help the spouse and to have each other to reflect on their own behaviour so both can become a more evolved soul and spirit, to try to repeat the feelings excitement from younger years or from the beginning of their relationship were the arousment comes from that they think the other person is something like their ideal partner (but that is just in their own fantasy) when in reallity they have to learn to know each other and also themself through the partner, partners that can be trusted can actually give response and help with making each other better, there is a difference between constructive criticism and negative criticism that tries to lower the partners confidence in themself, but in todays world 99 out of 100 advice to women and men are given in a way that they should misstrust each other from day one and therefore seek to either seek to gain all benefits from it for themself out of it before it ends or gaming a totally in powerposition like it was a country and "there can be only one ruler in the country" or to choose to never ever go into a relationship at all either by banging arround with no centerpoint partner on the map,or choosing celebacy and avoidance of that kind of relationship at all and concentrate ones energy on other subjects to work on like like ideologies, ideas, careers, creating material projects etc...
It really looks like the idea of a lifelong companionship is destinied a bitter fate in the future when the whole society that once worked for helping that type of relations to work out by either support or by starting laws to protect it, but that changed now and the society instead protects those who wants to break it up and to never be trusted into that problems with in a relation could be solved over time and by hard work, not it's branding in to support the one that can benefit most from destroying it and the ex spouse.
So it's not much hope for a relation that over time could have been good but in period has it lows, that type of relations is doomed in todays world, were the faithfull person is clearly the biggest looser every time in nearly 100% of the time.
It's time to secure our own future first and not the other persons who could have been or are a partner, new forms of how we socialize and meet for sex, babies probably have to be born and brought up in a öre scientific manner in the future world, is there going to be baby manufacturing plants that put genetics material together after descibing it for the parent who want it, yes I didn't say parents but parent, because the same sex couples seems to have the same habits of breaking up relations, and those in todays world that celebrate that the traditional family values are destroyed seems not to know their double standards when they celebrate the same type of relations in same sex couples, so what do they really think about monogamy families.? do they even care with such an double standard they show us.?
@@anderspersson7084 I seriously want to read this but I am lazy
@@piyushsharma3991 Dont waste your time like, I did. It's nonsense.
@@A-RedHerring loool
I was very excited to have an open relationship with one of my exes. He denied it every time. Turns out he was cheating on his girlfriend of two years with me and at least 5 others and he wanted us all to himself. I don’t date anymore.
Did anybody catch that in the 2nd story?
"While he's in an open marriage, his wife is not aware."
That ain't open that's cheating lol
Yeah I too noticed that
I literally laughed when I heard that one.
You have to love it. That's the CLASSIC definition at best, but let's go with that one.
Bets on how hot Amber was???
@@darrylblackshear710 I’m thinking that NONE of the people in these stories are “hot”. More likely fat train wrecks. We just imagine them as hot
Yeah, it wasn't about Amber at all. It was because the wife wanted to have an affair but didn't want to lose her cash cow. Now that she's been dumped, she's miserable and feels used, and is mad that you're enjoying your side piece. She enjoyed the attention when she felt like a priority, but now she's back burner. Hopefully he doesn't get a divorce just yet. Make her work first so she won't be able to get as much in spousal support.
Its funny how wife found some body within 24 hours and husband found amber after 3 months, yet wife is mad
@@esterkuusisto7374 wife found someone before hand
@@samuelmatheson9655 That's probably True.
@@samuelmatheson9655 and was probably already cheating with him, but opened the marriage so shr didn't hsve to worry about getting caught.... also funny how she was all into it when she had 2 men wanting her, but when her ing fizzled out she was left with one man who was more interested in the new relationship (even though it wasn't going anywhere) so she ended up with exactly what she left her husband with in the beginning; 1/2 hearted attention from the one who took a vow to love and support you always..... funny how she didn't care about that situation in the beginning, but irate at the end whe she gets hosed instead of him....
Story 2: What a piece of human trash. Manipulation , no accountability, and drama. The best thing you can do is leave. 14 year old is old enough. Tell your daughter the truth and let her decide. Dont ever accept threats from someone you love. People who love each other doesnt threaten or manipulate.
Exactly
Full agree
The fact that they have a 12 and 14 year old is what makes the open marriage thing kinda sick. Like you can do that shit when it's just you and the wife but the minute you have a kid, that's game over for that shit. Cause Oh this is just mommy's friend bob, were gonna go "wrestle" while daddy plays "twister" with his friend Tina isn't a convo you should be having with your kid.
Putting that much pressure on a kid is not ok. There must be some other way.
Not to mention the people blasting op basically saying he needs to stop and let her continue to mooch off him...
wife wants open things up its ok when she gets all the action, but when husband is happy it is a problem
Double Standards🤔
this is actually a trait for every narcissistic person or manipulative person. It's illegal if you're happy instead of suffering lol. (from my experience)
Ain't that the truth! lol
Right there, right there is the whole mystery of the universe!
When a woman benefits, life is good, when a man enjoys himself, it's world war 3! WTF?
@@dannybaldwin7343 more like hypocrisy
people that tell their kids lies only to turn them againts their other parent don't deserve kids at all
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I never understood this! It is soo inconsiderate and damaging to do to your children.. how do they not know that 🥺
@@d.l831 they don't care about their kids parents who do this only do it to hurt their partner
The other problem is that the “good” parent keeps the truth from their kids, which actually makes then situation worse, increasing the risk their kids will fall to manipulation. Once the game is in progress, you have to tell the kids the facts. Don’t say things regarding feelings or underlying motivations. Just spell out who, what, when, how, and why. If could be as simple as follows: Your mom demanded an open relationship under threat of divorce. I agreed and we both had partners outside the relationship. Your mom’s partner broke it off, so she demanded we close the marriage under threat of divorce. I demanded she sign an agreement limiting what she could get in a divorce because she threaten divorce twice. She disagreed. We went to counseling. I found out the guy she was with was an exboyfriend. I was upset and stayed at a hotel last night. This is the current situation. We both still love you regardless of how this works out in the end.
I have no sympathy for people who open their marriage.
Open relationships can be fine if both parties are on the same page. This couple isn't because she is toxic and manipulative and he was uncomfortable with it.
I hate how some of these wives are stupid enough to get convinced by some sleeze bag to sleep with them. If Op really wants to save his marriage though he should end the open marriage and have a stern chat with his wife I guess
@@raymondbanton9365 yuuupp. She just didn't wanted to have the cheating label. Nobody has a 2nd partner ready just in case their spouse agrees to an open marriage.
reminds me of a line from an old song--"most people keep their brains between their legs"
@NurturingTalents
Exactly, I just never get the point of open marriage. Why get married then?? I guess people get their "kink" from banging other people aside from their spouses? 🤷♂️
She threatening divorce if it doesn't open then threatens it if it doesn't close 😂 I guess she ran out of stamps for that trump card
What do u mean with trumps card, r u voting biden or trump?
@@wailbezzaz7966 dude get out with the politics, trump card as in a surprise move or something to get an advantage over the other
I'm not a US citizen so I'm not voting for either 😉
@The Beast the us has been ish for millions of people for hundred of years. This is a "living in a bubble" world in America
@@frandavis1990 lol projecting much..
Let's see...wife threatens divorce if she can't have an "open marriage," husband agrees and she's got a "boy toy" in 24 hours? 24 hours...dude, she was simply "clearing the deck" to validate something she'd already decided to do or was already doing anyway. If she'd found a better ride, she'd have divorced him anyway...he was supposed to sit on the sidelines and wait to get it in the neck. Dude, feel the nausea, blow the chunks of you must...but *lawyer up* and fast!
Let's not forget when he found someone she stalked him and tried to position herself to break things up between them and when he pointed out how she went about it wasn't part of the agreement she wanted to close it again. I don't blame him coming up with in my opinion reasonable terms. She brought about the situation because she wanted to cheat without it being called cheating she doesn't just get to end it and expect things to return to how they were because it's now unfavorable for her .
@@raymondjohnson2744 I didn't have my readers on, did she want to open the marriage or open her legs? lol
Yeah, she probably cheats at monopoly too!
@@CunoWiederhold I assume the latter. She probably expected her husband to sit at home lamenting what has become of their marriage and wait for her to come back to him instead of coming to the realization that what they had was no more , that she was only his wife on paper and that he would live his life accordingly if they weren't going to divorce.
If there was a line she jumped to cross it. Mutual rules? Wants to end it when it's no longer favorable for her.
Don't tell the kids, friends or family? Tells daughter.
Don't talk about partners? Stalks him to sabotage his relationship.
Wants a divorce if she doesn't get her way? Refuses to agree to a divorce because she wants keep living rent free.
I wish op had the sense to see the writing on the wall at the onset, where she threatened a divorce. The marriage was already over at that point so he should have called her bluff, but he genuinely loved her thought agreeing though begrudgingly would keep her. Now be wants to distance from her by she getting a job to learn how to support herself, her answer, nope. I'm going to turn our daughter against you so if we do divorce, I get custody and child support, plus marital assets and alimony.
This woman is evil.
@@HH-ru4bj I do believe you're right!
A self imposed lottery win!
love how the people in the second "open marriage" story blame OP for everything when the wife is the one that wanted it, probably had an emotional affair (atleast) before the open marriage) etc
aaannnd the wife is a cheating psycho
the conditions he wanted for them closing the marriage were more than reasonable
also ... thats for once a decent therapist in a cheater story
Actually, everyone was saying for OP not to delude himself that the marriage was fixable. They didn’t believe the Wife was fixable, and yes, it turned out, if you stuck to the end, that Wife’s ‘fling’ was actually an Ex Boyfriend from High School that she didn’t go to third base with, regretted not doing so, so this open marriage was her want to go all the way.
Nasty vile woman, and then she dragged her daughter into it after they said to keep the kids out of it. Just absolutely a vile person.
Court actually they never would have met, the wife manipulated the entire thing, after weeks of stalking the fling. Also, if you listened, Wife’s affair was actually her ex boyfriend she never fucked and regretted not fucking, so she forced the open marriage so she could go fuck the ex boyfriend. All ‘he never should he’s stupid for’ goes out the window in face of that.
@@Norinia yep and the other woman and he did behave so that if it was not for the crazy wife, no one would've known
@@Norinia it’s not about them not meeting.it’s not about the parents at all. It’s about there being any hint at a risk of someone finding out about the affair in the school. There are dos and donts and sleeping with a mom that kid is in your kids band is fucked up, im sorry. If that kid found out they would be mortified and if it went round the school they would be endlessly bullied... so no, it’s not cool to sleep with someone from your own kids school. There are a million other places. We had a kid whose mom slept with another parent in the hockey team. They ended up divorced and the kid had to leave the school because of the bullying, parents acting selfishly cost kids and also strain parent kid relationships
@@chameleon28 yeh but those wrongs aren’t even close to being in the same magnitude. It’s like if one guys stole $10 from another dude and the other dude shot him in the leg. Yeh they were both in the wrong but not to the same degree.
Second story: the moment your wife suggested an open marriage you should have known there was someone else already. The AF is always someone who is familiar to them. She is trying to have it all without giving up anything. Very selfish. Get a separation. Try and get custody of your daughter and tell her to move out. This was all her idea and a judge might side with you because of that.
"I want an open marriage or divorce"
"Let me think about it, today I sleep on the couch" and immediately call for your lawyer and a PI. They will get results before noon next day
Then after work just present evidence and papers
"Divorce it is, your AP's wife got a copy btw"
when "open relationship" idea get's floated, it's over, end it like adults, i didn't even play games like this as a teenager, my god where do you even find these animals?
California
@@Christopher-eq1rn Lol
Commiefornia
To me, I think a lot of it depends on what they mean by, "Open."
If they mean, "I got a person in mind that I'm going to start banging, and you should start looking too," that's not a good sign, and is usually just, "I want to be allowed to cheat on you."
If they mean, "I met an adventurous group of people, and thought that we might bring them into the bedroom and have some 3some-4some-orgy fun," then it's much more understandable, and potentially fine.
Basically, it boils down to whether they want to share some partners *WITH* their spouse, or if they just want a partner on the side *WITHOUT* their spouse.
Lol. I live in California, nothing but happy families here.
Not that you would know, considering you’re so misguided lmao.
"Open marriage for me, but not for thee," followed up by "We need to close up again because you're having too much fun and how could you ruin our marriage by going along with my suggestions or knuckling under to my ultimatums because I'm insecure and like to play with fire?"
Huhhh. How are people hating on op when the wife is the one who wanted it
because the wife is a woman and women can do no wrong (rolls eyes).
It's because open relationship bad, your either a dumb simp for staying at home waiting for your wife to come home from a night of fucking or you're an asshole for also getting a partner assuming the openness went both ways.
honestly though its because to these people the OP that gets a side piece in these situations seems like less of an underdog to them. yes, they did what the relationship allowed but this freeform movement and adaptation doesn't lend itself to what some people would consider the "hero" in these stories. people want OPs that are begging and demanding a stronger marriage rather than ones that follow the wife rules and get something for themselves, its like revenge affairs but less spiteful.
@@_Sage967_ You're a Child and yet have to discover things in life and relationships. An open relationship isn't as bad as you make it as long as both Partners are absolutely secure about their Emotional feelings; as soon as there's even a tiny nudge of 'What if' it has to stop. But a relationship like that will dig up even the tiniest insecurities you have in the deepest parts of your soul, which is why you *have* to be 100% aware of yourself.
@@lolly166541 i think that due to me not using interchanging caps lock you failed to understand that the statement at the start of my comment was a parody of people who said OP was bad, a child, or causing the problems with the marriage for agreeing to the open relationship.
the simplistic mindest shows how idiotic that thinking is when you realize two consenting adults can do whatever the hell they please (within legal and some moral reason). I don't care if people have open relationships personally.
@@lolly166541 As soon as there's a 'tiny nudge of 'What if'' it has to stop? No, the whole relationship is fucked by that point. It's not a door you can close.
Open relationships are not real relationships; you’re maintaining a “stable” partner for show-my opinion
Yeah that literally what it is lol
open relationships do not work for 99%people who think they can handle it .lol
@@SWORDASH Say that louder. The people who think polyamorous is the way to go don't understand that is more people = more problems. If people aren't worth crap (generally speaking) in a monogamous relationship, why would people be worth anything in a polyamorous one?
If she/he asked for open marriage. Clearly, she/he doesn't love you no more. Just get a divorce, why go through round about way.
@@chrismoreno7181 or even better. Don't get married in the first place
The first story, its completely her dumb idea to want the open marriage in the first place. Where the hell does she get off trying to blame him for anything?
Like these woman cant seem to understand that an open relationship is open for both people. They seem to think that making it open so they can go screw the guy they wanted to cheat with is fine until it flops and wants to reign in the husband after she had her fun.
Sounds like she had a boyfriend outside the marriage and wanted to ‘Open’ the marriage to justify it. Then when he dumped her she wanted to ‘close’ the marriage to keep the husband around.
@@mattwho81 Yea that and or she saw OP was enjoying himself more than she liked and she may have even seen the possibility that he may move on from her. Which is why I think she asked about his experiences afterwards.
@@mattwho81 she wanted to explore her feelings for women- op doesnt suspects she dated men.
@@raymondjohnson2744 whatever reason she asked him, it was the fact that he paid for it that upset her. Maybe that is because pros have extremely high body counts and she fears infections. Maybe because it shows he is cold and callous and isnt interested in the sensual kind of sex she wanted in her life. Theres so many reasons for her to feel weird about him paying for sex, then that he had "fun". Maybe she's upset because she finally realized that their ideas of fun are completely opposite.
@@carolsimpson4422 Disregarding your assumptions of what either wanted in their sex life. She asked to close the relationship again because she was already feeling uncomfortable and insecure before she asked about his experiences which hints to issues before learning about the escort and that she proceeded to blame their failing relationship on him alludes to that as well. That's just my opinion based on what's presented though.
Story 1: She totallt went nuts, correction no. She was Nuts to begin with! Run!
Op: I think we should get burgers for dinner.
Wife: No, I want pizza and if we don't get pizza I'll divorce you.
Op: OK we can get pizza.
Wife: No, I changed my mind, I want burgers and if we don't get that I'll divorce you.
Is it weird that I totally saw Ben Chang from Community as the wife?! 🤣
Moral of the story: Don't get married.
especially in USA
She was probably already having an affair and when you went and had your fun with the escort that was her getting a taste feeling cheated on why else would a woman want to open a marriage?
Yeeeah, that's typically how it goes. My ex didn't anticipate I'd have much success in the open relationship she wanted (I wanted to be exclusive), and of course it upset her.
I once read an article where a couple's therapist said in her 40 year career an open relationship only worked twice.
"I want an open marriage"= I wanna cheat and not feel guilty nuff said.
Open marriage=I want to cheat without the ugly label of cheater.
from what I've seen 90% of people who want an open relationship with their marriage already have someone lined up and they just don't want to "cheat" so they purpose an open relationship as if it's a free pass only for 80% of them not to work out due to the person they were into either moving on or it was just a quick lust thing that was never going to be more than a few times, and then get mad at their SO when the open relationship is working better for them. quite frankly this is exactly why i have problems with cheaters they'll do next to anything to either turn it back on their innocent SO or blame everyone but themselves when it blows up in their face.
1st story: SHE opened Pandora's Box by suggesting an open relationship in the first place. She sowed it, she reaped it.
Edit: ditto on the second story.
*the witch has a plan
*her plan works out in his favor
she: wait... that's illegal
Rule of thumb- As soon as your partner wants to see other people, END THE RELATIONSHIP IMMEDIATELY and do not waver. It's already over and nothing you can do will ever fix it. Maintain your dignity and don't allow them in when they come crawling back.
First story: I’m not surprised your wife discovered that you have options now so she got jealous. It always seems that the conceit of the woman makes her think that they hinge will always turn out better for her, and that she can always get the man back.
Lol to the Redditors blaming OP in Story 1.
But Story 1 did have an update. OP’s wife’s behavior escalated to the point she started physically abusing OP. He still tried to salvage the marriage, but then gave up and filed for divorce after she threw a knife at him. He filmed one of her violent episodes, which ended up helping him in the divorce.
Story one: she gave him the ultimatum to open the marriage or divorce. Thats a red flag, bro.
Homie shouldve taken the divorce
Problem is, the wife never grew up. Married at 22, kid and a stay at home mom by 23. That's barely out of college, or still in for some people. She never mentally matured as any adult like you do through mid 20s living on your own and working; to her she probably still feels like she's in college and has a severe case of arrested development. That's why a high school ex matters to her, it only feels like a couple of years ago to her. So you have a situation of arrested development fighting against the passage of time and the wife just imploded. That's also why she'd do stupid things like threaten divorce, she's used to the mindset of getting what she wants like most early 20s girls. Honestly, they need to get divorced so she can try to make it on her own, I'd bet within a year or two she'd be begging to come back, realizing that all the free passes you get as a girl in her early 20s you don't get as a woman in her late 30s.
This is exactly what ive been thinking
@Iori Van Hail it's fairly obvious where you stopped reading. I said never matured as one does when they are living on their own in their mid 20s and responsible for everything that entails. People by and large start to have a broader view of things when they have to take care of themselves for a few years rather than always being in at least a semi-sheltered environment. Nowhere did I say people should be actively raised non stop until their 24.
@Be Ri lol what are you even talking about? I said literally nothing about sex, I'm talking about responsibility: making sure your bills are all in order and paid on time, learning how to cook for yourself not using something already made in a bag or a can, budgeting, cleaning up after yourself in a timely fashion. Does living on your own also entail having fun? Yes, but you can do that in high school. After college is supposed to be where you spend a few years not under the umbrella of parents or a university so you figure out this adulting thing, "life in the big city" as it were, where you learn more about yourself, because fewer people are there to nudge you and if you mess up the consequences are a lot more serious. If she went from high school to college to married stay at home mom, she likely never had to shoulder the entire responsibility of her own life. I honestly don't know how you read what i wrote and thought sexual experience.
That doesn’t happen to everyone. I married my high school sweetheart right out of high school and had our first baby at 19. I’ve worked from home the whole time. I’m now 42, we’ve been together for 25 years, neither of us has cheated, etc. I instead chalk her problems up to boredom and selfishness, rather than never growing up due to early marriage and isolation. It was just in her to be a cheater. A lot of people who marry later still cheat too, just because they want to...no excuse needed. She’s just a garden variety a-hole ho. That’s the only excuse needed for her.
"She'd do stupid things like threaten divorce, she's used to the mindset of getting what she wants like most early 20s girls" I'm not quite sure where this "most" part comes from but she really seems like an entitled snob to me, probably never had anyone say no to her. As a 17 year old female surrounded by women, pretty sure we know better than to act that way. This was a problem she had from the environment she was in rather than her being a woman in her early 20's , either that or she was raised that way
"She wanted to fullfill the desire" no wonder the sanctity of marriage is in shambles in the west.
If she asks you for an open relationship, give her one with the door.
Open marriage = I have someone I want to sleep with but I’m not a cheater
"I want an open marriage" never seems to end well unless you state going into it that you're not monogamous (and even that is not a guarantee); however too many times we see it after the fact, and translated to plain human speak it actually means, "I've found someone else I want to sleep with but don't want you to accuse me of cheating." In all of the cases I have heard about, the person that wanted to open it gets it out of their system, and gets jealous that Spouse B is enjoying it.
Also, “her partner is in an open marriage but his wife is not aware” means the guy is NOT actually in an open marriage, but is cheating with your wife.
Wife in story 2 slanders husband, cheats, and abuses him, then loses her shit when he does less than that.
When your partner askes for an Open Relationship, chances are they're already cheating on you.
you should just continue your open relationship, what's she gonna do? file for divorce? on what grounds? if you play your cards right then she won't recieve anything from you other than bare minimum (which kinda makes sense as she is SAHM). there is no negotiating, there's is nothing, but my command and your acceptance.
depends on location. If they had an agreement she would be a stay at home mom, then he could be on the hook to still support her with alimony and child support even with shared custody. It might not be forever. A judge could easily split your income in half to give to the mother just so each parent has an even income to not be able to buy the kids' affection.
@@trickmiller8169 I've heard a few situations where the man is left with almost nothing and couch surfing while she gets the house, the kids, vehicle, alimony, and child support. I think in those cases she absolutely will be able to buy their affection.
@@drl5002 Yea. Child support doesn't really look into the needs of the man or really ascertain what a woman uses the money for. This is because the courts get a kickback based upon how much the courts deem the man needs to pay. I've seen paystubs from guys who have to pay child support. Seeing a man paycheck go from $700 to 150 is insane.
Second story: smart move when he set new boundaries after. If she wants something she has to sacrifice something.
And taking the "stay at home mom position away" kinda decrease her chances of having a affair while he's at work.
Maybe, but a LOT of cheating wife stories start with them going back to work, or starting work after being stay at home.
this is the sixth time i read about a WIFE asking about open marriage...
BEFORE opening the marriage, sign a document that you mentioned. That would keep her in bat
This will never work now! Serve her the papers! This has all been her own doing! And then she tries turning the kids against you! She has no respect for you!
If my wife asked for an open marriage and then said our relationship is going down the drain, I'd ask her why the hell she pulled the plug then.
Anytime a spouse goes to her/his SO and demands an "open" marriage, that marriage is over.
Open relationships never work because one partner either gets jealous or just agreed to it. It hardly works when both partners are open with it. Swingers have a hard time.
Well if OP in Story 2 decides to divorce his wife, the fact that she tried to turn their daughter against him should work very well in his favor.
Second story: keep the stipulations if she doesn't like them goodbye.
This is why open relationships are the kiss of death for couples having a serious relationship
Ah the classic "it's good if I do it/enjoy it. But bad if you do it/enjoy it." Certified _Bruh_ moment
How you gonna ask for an open relationship and then get upset at HIM for ruining the relationship?
The wife tried to play a game. She lost her game playing by her rules and now she wants to change the game again. It's like a kid flipping a game board over when losing.
Whenever threatens you call their bluff. Words are cheap.
It kills me people do these open relationship thing and are surprised when it does not work.🤦
I never wanted an open relationship, once I was sure the woman I was with was the one for me I committed to her.
I keep watching all these videos and it makes me NEVER want to get married lol
1st story, women all about that open relationship until the man hires a pro.
This video is why Fault Divorce should still be a thing. That SAHM doesn't deserve alimony or primary custody!
An open relationship never works out period
An open relationship is a lot of things, some even slightly positive. What it is NOT is a marriage of any kind. Acting like a 16yo just dating around lacks any commitment which is the foundation of ALL marriages.
once a partner asks for an open marriage, the marriage is done right at that moment, you divorce
if you say no they will do it anyways, they already have someone in mind, if they havent cheated yet with that person they will soon enough, you have to realize they are telling you directly they want to cheat, at that very second they ask, the relationship is over
This sounds like getting a divorce but with extra steps.
I came to the realization that open relationships can only ever work when they mutually started that way in the first place.
If both of you want your relationship to be an open one, specifically in the early phase where you would "need" another partner the least, then this just seems to be how relationships should work for the both of you.
If you want to start opening a relationship that you initially did not want to be open, then this idea is only the result of the relationship failing.
Story 2. Your marriage is dead. Your wife had an affair and made you an accomplice to it.
Get a lawyer asap. You can be sure these aren't the only lies your wife's told you.
I think she's into someone else and fishing for an excuse to end the relationship.
I could never be in an open relationship. I am too insecure and jealous but I openly admit that.
There’s nothing wrong with that, the whole idea is disgusting and goes against every normal natural instinct.
Same I would legitimately mentally snap if I found out I was cheated on
Same I find the idea of an open marriage to be extremely pathetic and garbage.
Lying to your own children to turn them against their other parent is another level of messed up.
A female's oaths are inscribed on water
That's sexist.
@@christopheraaron1255 ?
The gender split on affairs is 50/50 dude lol. Plenty of men step out. Plenty of women step out.
Almost makes you wonder if monogamy is actually possible for most people.
@@renoloverxoxo .
@@renoloverxoxo sadly it probably won't be, with feminism encouraging women to sleep around and young men be raised wrong it'll probably just go down hill from there
"He's in an open marriage but his wife isn't aware." Dude, that's called cheating.
Moral of the story: if your SO asks to "open the marriage" they're either cheating or are going to
What kind of weirdos have an open relationship while married? That's not a marriage, that's a joke.
Explain to me how an open marriage saves a marriage. There's stories never end well.
Women almost always have a backup plan. They rarely cheat with a random person
from my experience, when some people ask for open marriages it is because they themselves want to try sex with others....but they expect that its them that will enjoy it, but the other wont, or will stay 'loyal' to them. its fun for me, but you arent allowed.
Dude you had a professional come in and blow your mind, you cant compare the two. Amateur vs pro wtf did you expect lol
Asking for an open relationship is just a fancy way of saying you're cheating, but willing to fool around still.
Wow, how fickle....
An open marriage that didn't work but was only open so one could cheat. What a surprise.
Well when some one propose open marraige , instantly divorce papers, you shouldnt be including yourself into this circus process. Better for them to stay single.
The partner wants an open marriage, and regrets it later. These women need to be told, deal with it.
Marginal choices have consequences.
Can never understand how people can't just stay faithful and have to gloss over it with a label.....and in my own experience, people who are open have no problem with trying to push their luck in attempting to infect my relationship with their bile.
story 1: The wife wanted to have fun, but for her the idea of her husband having more fun than she is is inedible
Story 2: Isn't forcing a relationship to open with someone already in mind betrayal?
When a woman asks for an open relationship you can 100% believe that she is either already cheating or has someone lined up and ready to go after getting her husband's permission to openly cheat because she does not want to give up the security he offers. If she has someone lined up it means there was already an EA and plans for a PA.
One thing that gets me mad about this it that she tells so many goddam lies.
Open "relationships" are literally never anything but a torpedo into the relationship. Opening relationships is like opening holes in the hull of a ship: just leads to them sinking and its only a matter of time before all involved are underwater
You cannot fix a relationship with someone if you don't have all the parts. Parts like, honesty, trust, fidelity, etc.
OMG i feel exactly like this, my wife asked to "see if the grass was greener" with a high school sweetheart, and i accepted, the marriage opened up after that, i had 1 partner during this time, and i ended up falling for said partner, my wife has had a few since then, i want to end the marriage, but i am incapable of calling the lawyer properly
God knows, how awesome is it to be single sometimes. Watching this open relationship idea videos since few days. Its k.o argument and when someone bring that up, you can be sure it's nearly over.
'Want to open the marriage?
Might as well go directly to family court, 'cause this relationship's already over.
Man it always seems like the side that wants to open the marriage ends up having a problem with it.
I love that second wife keeps threatening to divorce to get her way is shocked when he calls her on it.
When they want an open marriage they mean they want an open marriage but not you they want you to be faithful
I'd be crushed if my partner asked for that, then I'd be single. No discussions. It's driven by egoism and I believe in most cases that they just want a free card to F one particular person, they don't anticipate that their partners might actually do it too and usually fall flat on their faces when the affair doesN#t work. There's no love in that.
4:38 - "While he's in an open marriage, his wife is not aware."
Um...what?
2nd story: kids are 12 and 14 there is no reason for the wife to be home and not working. She is just a stay at home mooch hence not wanting to wave spousal support. She wants to continue mooching after they get divorced.
Story 2: When a wife keeps on threatening divorce over disagreements he marriage is over.
The second you knuckled under and opened the marriage it was dead.
Marriage is based on EXCLUSIVITY. When that is absent, there is NO MARRIAGE.