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Perfectly valid approach, all it means though is that you won't be able to perform incremental upgrades on your system and instead will have to build a completley new system when the time comes
@@GamersNexus I just got for a friend an Asus a320m-k with a Ryzen 5 5500 for like $145 all new, here in Mexico! I'm impressed that this combo it's close to an i5-12400 in performance for that price!
how is the competition tight? intel won every important category including best gaming, best overall, and best budget. no one cares about efficiency. keep coping amd shill
@@luxemier by how much though lol. If AMD manages to keep prices down they're doing a good job at keeping a monopoly from running people over. Just gotta respect it
@@pacifistduck9615 I am a fan of tech, the companies don't matter, the competition does. Anyone who is a fan of tech should want all of the companies to do well since that is what drives technology, variety and quality, and also hopefully keeps prices under control. We would all be better off if AMD, intel, and Nvidia were not the only major players, and if fanboys didn't exist.
I would really love to see a new benchmark for those turn based strategy games you mentioned in the vid, where instead of measuring fps, you could measure turn times, which from personal experience is much more important. I think it would bring something fresh to the lineup of games
I would like the same as I'm looking to play Warhammer 3 a lot more when they finally get round to fleshing out immortal empires. I currently have a 9700K with 2070 super at 1080p and am looking to upgrade to 1440p. I'm hoping I can get some decent performance boost upgrading just cpu to 13700K for example.
The efficiency aspect is really nice for us Small-Form-Factor folks! Literally every CPU and GPU in my household is undervolted or has its power target reduced. Its amazing by how much you can reduce power (and with that heat) just by being willing to maybe loose a few percent performance.
you know i love this guy insted of just dragging on the video or putting the impotent stuff at the end or scaterd around he how want people mostly want and after saying what he needs to he got straight to the point love this
The AMD 5000 series prices are crazy. It was about a year ago that a friend needed a drop in AM4 CPU fast. We went to Best Buy and the only CPU they had in the store was a 5800X. He paid $430 USD plus tax for it. His 3600X was still under warranty and he recovered some of the cost after they sent him the replacement. Surprisingly, the turn around was only about 3 weeks.
Going from a 3600x to a 5700x was a solid upgrade. I have it paired with a 3080 at 1440p. I noticed better 1% and average frames go up and games were overall smoother. It was a simple drop in and bios update. This cpu will hold me over until AMD releases 3DVcache cpus on AM5
My favourite cpu of the year is definitely the 5800x3d.... I'm not interested in the next gen ones yet. Maybe in a few years I might be interested in a new platform but my AM4 rig is fine.
I feel that! I’ve been squeezing all I can from my 9900k, delidded and all-core overclocked to 5.0 - 5.2ghz. Sad to see it’s not keeping up with new gen, but it should keep me going for a lil while
I have been in the PC business for 30 years... there has never been a better time to choose a cpu. The options are plenty, good, and not many sacrifices needed. The fact that I can do my 3D work and render complex projects on the same computer that I use to game is nuts. You used to have to choose one or the other, while paying a LOT more.
Same here, also working with 3D and rendering. Got the 13900K, but while I do game a lot, that was by no means my reason for getting it (as a 13600K would be plenty powerful for that). My 3D program of choice is exclusively cpu-based render so the massive core count and threads of the 13900K basically makes it a budget version of a last gen threadripper-spec cpu for non-enterprise use. The fact that it also scores best in gaming just means I have a valid reason to also consider a gpu upgrade sometime in the future
I agree...I am finally building a powerhouse desktop PC that can not only handle gaming but everything I need as an IT professional who runs a ton of VMs. I am building a custom loop with Asus Crosshair Extreme motherboard, 7950x and a 4090. Two 4tb nvme drives (adding another two when gen 5 drives are readily available). I have 4 thunderbolt 4 ports and 60w fast charging capability on the front panel which helps with my Ultrabooks. 128gb of DDR5 memory is running beautifully at 6000mhz. Finally I have a PC that can do everything I dreamed of for years.
@@DarkWidget Aside video cards, that happen to be overpriced atm. Everything else is stupid cheap with a little perspective. I had over 15 cpus over the past 3 decades, I payed anywhere from 600 dollars to 2000 dollars for them (adjusted to inflation it would be a lot more in most cases). The most expensive ones could not even game properly. Now anyone can buy a 600 dollar cpu that is stellar for both work and gaming. That was unimaginable until Ryzen gave the cpu market new life. I can give more examples, but at least from my perspective... it has never been better.
@@GSP-76 Exactly! Is a dream come true to be a professional now. I remember paying close to 6 grand for a full PC 15 years ago that could only do one thing properly... render. Adjusting for inflation that should be over 10k. You are getting a beast that can do it all for much less.
Dude...I just noticed the vertical blue bar countdown timer for your performance charts. The attention to detail and viewer care of this channel is truly next-level.
I upgraded from my 2600x to 5600 because it was on a mad sale in my country, looked at 5600x but it was (equivalent of) $60 more for just a little bit more speed. 5700(x) was out of the question for my budget unfortunately. I'm still happy Edit: talkin about ryzen 5*
@@RichardMontgomeryYT Depends on your use case, but I upgraded from 2600 to 5600 like 2 weeks ago and the difference is significant. I also got it on sale (152 EUR incl. tax) and it included a promo key for Uncharted: Legacy of Thieves. Great value imo. Paired with RTX 3080 the fps gain is 15-50% (depending on title).
@@Shadefury did exactly the same, bought it few weeks ago (with the uncharted coupon) and installed it last week pretty decent upgrade for that price that you really can feel even during normal stuff like browsing....my vivaldi is so fast now compared to 2600x and I haven't even tune the system, the 5600x has much better memory controller so I am sure I can still tune my ram
I upgraded my nephew, friend and myself with the 5600, all of us with 5 year old builds. Now we'll be able to buy mid-range GPUs over the next year or so and have brand new computers essentially.
5600 wins my personal best value cpu of 2022 in terms of price to performance at the price it was going for in late 2022 going for as low as $160cad. Also the 5500 dropped to a really attractive price as it could be had for $99cad. Intel had no answer as they tend to have much if any sales.
I was also hoping for that category, but as shown in the individual reviews, different productivity applications tend mix up the charts based on how the application loads the cpu and it seems to be pretty close between the i9 and 7950x. So with the price decrease the 7950x is looking like it makes more sense to me.
@@-opus indeed, and realistically if your in-game fps exceeds a 144hz monitor, how much more do you need outside of semi-professional gaming anyways. I'd at least like to see some common productivity awards included, as things like streaming (and thus video editing too to an extend), and 3D modelling etc gets more common among common users and not just large enterprise companies. I mix my pc for 3D work and gaming, and while the 13900K scored the "best gamer" award, the only reason I got it over the 13600K was because of its productivity value in 3D rendering etc.
This video came at the perfect time for my recommended, I'm finally upgrading my old system to get into more current hardware and I can't wait. Great video as always. Coming from a 7700k which to its credit has served me well the new performance is much desired.
Agreed, X3D is a great value. An amazing CPU for gaming at 4k due to its impressive 1% lows. Also saves AM4 users from having to upgrade for a while longer. I'd like to wait until the next iteration of AM5 & X3D before adopting the platform.
The big problem about AMD right now is the new motherboard price,in the past you can get a x570 motherboard for 200 buck cad that features sli support,now you pay 300 for a b series motherboard
If you are "gaming" and not really using all the "raw data processing power" then Consider Longevity when Intel swaps out their socket in a year or two and AMD is still supporting the AM5 platform for .. well .. a REALLY long time (based on AM4 support which even at "end-of-life" is STILL being supported) .. I got tired of buying "all new" for Intel every other year .. unless you just need that "newest raw power" and "money is no object" .. and even then, go with AMD .. lol .. they are kicking Intel's fanny in the "professional-use" market ..
@@fatherguse9019 This video along with many other professional testing says otherwise. 13th gen is kicking AMD's fanny as you put it. Not to mention 12th gen held the king spot for quite awhile the past year or so. It's no competition anymore. AMD will always just be an edgy fanboy's lover CPU.
@@setha7398 Really, dude? We all have AMD to thank for having such high core cpus these days. If it were up to Intel, we'd all still be on 4 core chips and getting little 5% performance upgrades every year. Yeah, Intel 13th is top of the mountain at the moment because it's the newest, which is what happens during every new launch. And in 6 months, AMD will release 7000 series 3D chips and be on top. Then 6 months later, it'll swing back to Intel. That said, after seeing AM4, I don't know how anyone could like Intel these days. AMD owners have been able to upgrade to every new chip, while Intel requires a board upgrade every new chip. Maybe, if you're lucky, you get one cpu upgrade out of Intel. And this is coming from a former Intel user. I always loved them, but last year, I went AMD and never looked back. The high entry cost sucks at the moment, but with the recent price cuts and the fact that AM5 will probably be supported for the next 4-5 years makes AMD a no-brainer in the long run. Not to mention, AMD actually tries to innovate and upgrade their technology. Intel just pumps more watts into their chips and adds wimpy e-cores to try and keep their core counts high. And what are we on now for Intel, 10++++++ nm? Pathetic.
Really unfortunate about the 5800X3D's availability issues. It's an absolute monster of a gaming CPU that is a no brainer for those on the AM4 platform.
9:40 I recently turned SMT off for my 3950X and the peak power went from about 160W to 100W. This is great, since while I do use a lot of the cores, I rarely actually stressed all of them and the difference in performance for those applications that do use all the cores is pretty much negligible.
I love Eco mode, I was running 5900x at 95W previously and have now manually adjusted to 89W with very slight multicore losses for loads better cooling. Not sure I am at the sweet spot in terms of performance but looking great now.
😂at 13:37 the only thing I could see was the bent pins on that cpu…. Thank you for this GN! It *IS* a great time to be a pc/gaming enthusiast! With amazing performance and terrific competition between team red and team blue, you really can’t go wrong choosing either right now!
Ryzen 5 5600 really should have been the budget CPU winner, but maybe this list was made before the huge sale happened. The i3 -12100F is kind of weak, it being i3 makes me think it's a bottleneck. While the Ryzen 5 5600 looks like it can perform next to any CPU all the way to the top unless you are doing extreme tasks. 5600 can basically reach similar performance to other CPU as long as the GPU is good.
I upgraded from 1700 to 5700X for the exact reasons mentioned in this video. Absolutely amazing. I have a 5800X sitting right next to it and honestly I don't notice the difference between the two. Best thing, the woeful cooler that came with the 1700 works fine on the 5700X - even when stressing it at 100% for the entire weekend.
The 5700x is a more efficient 5800x with basically the same performance. Its a great cpu and I'm glad I upgraded to it as well. I have my wraith spire from my 3600x cooling it and it surprisingly handles it well!
had a 3700x paired with my 3080ti and later switched it out with a 5800x3d and saw a huge performance uplift. playing cyberpunk ultra settings 1440p at 60fps with RTX on is an enjoyable experience
I am a bit of an AMD fanboy but if I was building today i really think the 13600k is very impressive and would probably be my choice. That being said I have not experienced the new E core P core architecture, and I do wonder if it may introduce some odd behaviour.
The 13600K is better overall for sure, but if all you do is game... the 7600X is 5% faster (even more if you use DDR4 with the 13600K). Having said that, I believe the 7700X at 350 is the best overall option at that price range. You get top gaming performance (only 2-5% slower than 13900K), great mt performance, and has good efficiency (cheaper psu and cooling needed). Aside from the fact that am5 will have several generations worth of upgrades. Either way, great CPUs, you will be happy no matter what.
@@facundoorzabal8021 You should consider switching the k's in the 7700 and 7600 since those mean the older 7th gen Intel and not the AM5 Zen4 AMD CPUs.
Totally agreed. If I do my build soon, that's probably what I'll choose. However, I'm very hopeful to see the new AMD X3D chips that should be coming in a few months. I'm going to try to wait for them. Because if they can give a 20% or more increase to gaming like the 5800x3D did, that will be very exciting.
I appreciate how you all continue to base your recommendations around real world use cases of the hardware. It makes purchasing decisions a lot more scientific
The reason it's not in this chart is because the 3d vcache only helps in a few games. In the vast majority of situations it's barely better than a 5800x. It has lower clocks and cannot be overclocked
@@itstheweirdguy fake news. the reason it wasnt in this chart, and GN said it himself, is because at the time of his review, they weren't many readily available. also, hardware unboxed did a 41 game benchmark between both chips and on average the 5800x3d was 15% faster. In 25 games it was 20%-40% faster. They tested even more games when the 13700k released and it was even trading blows with that chip. so plz stop spreading misinformation...
I picked up a Ryzen 5 4500 about a month ago at $80. It was an upgrade from a Ryzen 3 3200G (originally with no dedicated GPU so I was gaming on the Vega 8 iGPU). Also recently had purchased a Radeon RX 580. It’s a great little rig.
Went from a 3800x to a 5800x3d this week. Your past video reminded me I needed to grab one before all new stock was gone. My games have never run so smooth, especially the MMO's and open world games. Massive fps gains. 3800x gets to live on in my kids computer, still a large upgrade from the now retired 1700 My plan to max out the AM4 platform and sit on it for a few years is complete...only gpu upgrades from here out
@@pogtuber5146 Yeah its solid, but there are a few games I play where the x3d gives a 50% fps boost even at 1440p. Makes the entire experience much more smooth
Bought parts for an i7-13700K with DDR5. Still need to finalize a Graphics card and Power Supply. Trying to decide if 850W will be enough if I get a 7900XTX.
That's more than enough for gaming. Unless you're trying to run 100% load benchmarks on both cpu and Gpu for hours straight you will never break 600w peak draw
yessssssssssssss! FINALLY its getting toward the end of the year season and we get ot go through the components roudn up lol. even with prices being w/e they end up being, avalibility for new stuff being weird or too expensive, mannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn im dieing to know what the new round ups have looked like cause i want to build this new pc not only for the fun and enthusiasm but just so that i feel more comfortable nad confident for the next 5 years but GEEEEEEEEEZ theres alot more moving parts when im going from 1 pc i built to another vs a fresh build. i still have NO idea what i wnat ot do agbout my old ssd and nvme drives and whether ill do a fresh official windows install or just plug and play the drives i have now and let thme download new drivers LOL. eitherway thanks a TOn for the cpu reviews cause honestly rounding this info up gives me the perfecttttttttttttttt springboard ot actualy continue my own research and still actually know whats around and good performing, weell liked, and overall a good value etc etc cheers! think ill end up with a "best of the last gen" type build kinda liek what i did in 2018 when i jumpped into 1080 and a ryzen 2600 but this time im hoping for a 2800x if that 3d varient is truly worth the long term gaming value it seems to be otherwise probably 2700x~ and gpu wise its nuts cause i love specific expensive brands so compromising on my personal choice there will be very difficult but i deffinitly dont want to compromise for a 6950 xt and its just been really hard ot get that perfect 3080 life style so who knows~ the new 40 series nvidia is just too much card for me and toooooo much money but the 7900 xt or xtx look SEXY AF from a general build style nad seem the perfect power houses for the 1440p content and quasi future proofing i want. have to wait quite a while but the release time might be the perfect window to join that holiday gamer rush and try to get it in my hands cause i get 12 day holiday from wor kand thats a SEXY amount of time to perfect oder and build and setup a new system without the stress of constantly starting and stopping so cheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeers
im pretty happy with my 11600k but my mobo died and the rma didn't get back to me for almost 8 months and by then i think the next gen was already out AND the 13 gen was right around the corner. felt so shafted but didn't have enough cash for another 150$ mobo at the time
@@timothy8428 after the mobo got back to me yes. but you know how tech is. soon as you buy it 3 months later its out dated by new. might not be OLD but it was old in a sense i didn't get to utilize it for so long. im currently waiting for the new amd gpu's to come out or a sub 500 6800 xt. to pair with it
I finally upgraded this year, went from a 6600K to the 12700KF, well worth the money, had to spend a good while overclocking the 6600K to squeeze every ounce of performance out of it I could, with the 12700KF the sucker just boosts as long as it has head room, so no time spent overclocking
more than happy with my 10900k still using it since release ( nearly 3 years ago) and its still a BEAST. Ill go for a 14900k when it comes with a z890.
The lack of any real HEDT CPU's this time around sucks since PCIE lanes are pretty sparse in the lineup we've got right now. It's a pretty unexpected issue for someone looking to upgrade from 2017's X299 processors that are nearing 6 years old. It's especially problematic that, even though we're at PCIE 5.0 support, realistically most expansion cards, GPU's, really anything you'd use won't be able to take advantage of the extra bandwidth because they're still at 3.0 or 4.0. With less lanes available (Using 1x lane per device now, probably), it's possible you could expect a noticeable performance decrease, especially with large amounts of IO.
Really impressed that you gave an award for most efficient. I think I'm going to order the 7950X this week, in case they do end up raising the price again later. It'll probably last me at least 6 years, like my 7700K did in my current build. It'll be the first time I've bought an AMD cpu in almost 20 years! The big question now is: Will I be going 4090 or 7900XTX for the GPU? Will AMD beat NVidia on efficiency? How close will the 7900XTX come to the 4090 on rasterization? Dec 13th can't come soon enough!
Ahh the 7700k. That CPU was amazing dude. I remember I built my PC with it and when I was going to give it away for my current setup, I found out I had let the CPU run at 100 Celsius for about 5 years. Thats a VERY resilient CPU if you can run it at 100 Celsius for 5 years and not notice any performance drop.
@@sack8439 I delidded and relidded with liquid metal, which made a huge difference in temperatures for my 7700K. Mine also ran pretty hot for the first few years before I did that, though!
Nice one man! I just upgraded to a 7950X from a 6700k and I've got a 3090. I doubt the 7900XTX will come anywhere close to the 4090, but I'm happy to be wrong!
@@joezuu I think it's probably going to just barely beat the 7080 in rasterization and price, and fall behind the 7080 in the other areas like ray tracing, encoding/decoding and OpenCL. I'm suspecting that power efficiency will also lag, due to the 6nm node on the MCD and the chiplet interconnect. But, we'll see, maybe they'll surprise us! I do think they'll at least beat on price/perf, but that's not necessarily going to sway me.
@@robeckel4965 According to moore's law youtube: it will comfortably beat the 4080 in rastor. Will come within 15-10% of 4090 rastor. Will lag behind in raytracing, but still have 10-15% better raytracing than 3090.
Just started the process of upgrading from an i7 2600 (circa 2011) to the R5 7600X.. major upgrade. My only reason for not going for the much cheaper 5000 series Ryzen or even back to Intel is upgrade-ability. AM4 is at the end of the road for that whereas AM5 is just beginning. And Intel? Well they do a lot of things well, but future compatibility was never one of them.. And that's coming from a long time Intel customer. I'm hoping for a very long life out of this system just like my i7 2600 system.
I have an i7-2600 that I've had for nearly 11 years also. It certainly will be interesting to see how the 7600X will perform over time. I don't think it will hold up as long as the i7-2600 because it's not top of the line today, like how the 2600 was in in 2011. Sure I think there was a 2750? that released a little later with a small frequency boost, but the 2600 was near the top. As for upgradeability, my hope when upgrading is that I will be able to keep my computer around for another 10+ years. I do understand the perspective of going lower to mid range at first, then upgrading every few years, but in the long run I'd rather have the top end, or near top end to begin with.
@@mintymus All very true, and my thought process too. The prices being what they are i can't afford top of the line anymore, not when you add GPUS and all that, but my hope is that this AM5 compatibility will remain long enough so I can put a brand new CPU on a 5 year old MOBO in the future.
@@josephg41 I would think it will definitely last 5 years. I've been hesitant to buy anything new because I think after the performance race of the last few years they will start to focus more on performance per watt, but who knows!
Great summary for the CPUs. Now I would love to understand how to chose motherboards, especially new AM5 chip sets... I am totally confused with the latest generation
I'm confused too. I personally try to think of future upgrades (How many m.2 would you need, RAM upgrades). And some backward compatibility for parts from previous builds.
In that pile of processors, I can see a really old classic Pentium from the late 90s. I'm impressed. Which model is it, just out of curiosity? The casings weren't always very clear on that, at least with the resolution I have.
I'm glad I was able to get a brand new 5800x3d for about 320 bucks, also I managed to get an used 3080ti from my friend for around 475 bucks. Feels like I saved a lot of money from these two purchases
Just got a 7950x yesterday, paid 580 due to holiday sales. Literally less than I paid for my previous 5900x after tax. Have been really happy so far, 5.5ghz stock on all cores while gaming is crazy.
Just bought a 7950x 2 days ago as well. $200 off was just too tempting for me lol. Just need DDR5 RAM and motherboard now. I'm also upgrading from a 5900x lmao
Man, I wished the 13600k was available when I built my PC a few years back. Oh well, I guess my 5900x would hold up for another 6-8 years. Intel is getting really interesting in terms of mixed workloads, considering I have an A770, it might be worth it to get an Intel CPU in the future for encoding. Just wish that Meteor lake and future releases will focus more on efficiency so they reign in heat and power consumption as I live in a tropical country.
@@Bdot888 Yea, hope it last another 5 years. But I can see the 13600k or the 13700k being good for cpu heavy work like compiling/cpu encoding which I do from time to time.
@@jierenzheng7670 yeah it sucks when you buy something high end and then a year later something mid range beats it. New tech has been moving so fast lately it feels
@@joevoyles2005 I did watch the video. Saying "it's out of stock" insinuates it's never coming back into stock at all. Also, it's in stock right now on Newegg for $375. Invalidated within 30 seconds of typing. :P
Saw the pricing for AM5+DDR5+MB and said "hell no" so i upgraded from 5600x to 5800x3d. New CPU cooler and another 16GB of ram and I'm set for a long time now. Will upgrade GPU next, but like everyone else waiting to see the 79000XTX benchmarks.
You know what, I had just bought a 5600x on amazon. I just canceled it for a 5700x, the 2 extra cores are something I was debating on, and the mild future proofing for the end of the am4 platform is something I might as well do. It's gonna be a fancy ass upgrade from my ryzen 2600 though, I'm hyped.
Good move! The $50 or so more for the 5700x is definitely worth it for 8 cores and its great on power usage. I did the same, but coming from a 3600x and still noticed an uplift in performance
Had a buddy ask me for a new build. Opted to get a brand new Ryzen 5 3600, B450 wifi board and a used kit of 32gb of 3200mhz RAM for around $175 all in. Seems like a no brainer compared to the new cpus. Hopefully am5 will enjoy a similar longevity and hopefully will become more competitive in pricing over the generations
I purchased a 5800X3D from newegg yesterday(11-22) for 329 dollars and it came with a free game. Its available on ebay from the largest seller for the same price.
I was last months trying to decide for budget upgrade my Intel gen 4. i7 4770. rtx2060. Finanly I decide for ending AM4 and R7 5700 (after black fridaz discount). I am quite happy. I know CPU is 2 Y old architecture, but I tune bit with TDP and get 5800x performance. Other upgrade choice was i5 12400f. Last days during decision time intel 13. gen was introduce, especialy i5 13600kf, I plan pair it with Z690MoBo+ DDR4. Price of this CPU+MoBo+DDR4 was 50% more. New AMD platform AM5 with expensive MoBo+DDR5 it was 100% more. I am happy. with ryzen 5700x and RTX2060 which is for my hobby rendering and playing in FHD more than enough. Yes may be more future proof regarding CPU power was i5 13600kf with huge power... but AMD AM5 I think is not good perf/price choice now
@Jeremiah Bakker I was looking at prices and see no big difference between both of them, aiming at 180$ish nice boards and both cpus cost almost the same thing
I managed to snipe down a $299 5800X3D (new with 3 year warranty) and my God, is this CPU a beast. I don't see changing it for the next at least 2 gens of CPUs. The most impressive part about it is the absolutely monstrous numbers of 1% and 0.1% lows. It basically ALWAYS runs at average FPS. Only downside - it needs a really good cooler, but managed to find a $80 EVGA CLC 280 RGB. Absolutely astonishing deals this year on hardware. And considering stuff like rtx 3070 can already be found for under $350 used, I'm quite optimistic for the GPUs as well.
@@tilapiadave3234 Considering i bought it in Europe ($299 was about €278) where the price at that time it was going for way above €500 everywhere else and even now IF you can find any stock it's at best €350, again not dollars, i still think it's the best thing you can buy if you were already in AM4 platform. And very overrated?!? if anything it's actually underrated, especially if you like me spend 90% of you gaming time in ACC.
@@QuantumS1ngularity Over rated SUPER over hyped by a small group CULT Amd shills. r5 5600 ( non x ) makes a LOT more sense at less than half the price
OMG i just swapped my 5900X to the 5800x3D, got one from my local micro center they had it for a good discount and gaming wise, I'm seeing like 20+ FPS improvement with my 3080 @1440P. WoW Dragonflight seeing 170FPS Ultra in the world vs 140. FH5 is pegged at 170 FPS Ultra vs 130 before. If you can get one and still on AM4 and only care about gaming or mostly gaming, definitely get it!!! 5900X is still a good balanced option but the 5800x3D is really a gem!!
I have a 3700x and looking at getting the 3800x3d. What's your fps in valdrakken? I'm sitting between 30-55 fps whether it's on settings 1 or settings 10. GPU is 3080 so I know it's a CPU bottleneck.
Adding the Best Upgrade Value category on point! Besides the obvious viewer education/entertainment value it also sends lasting signal to manufacturers.
@@-opus Not just Intel. Special power connectors have a place in my heart too. Or DLSS 3 absolutely can (not) work on RTX 30x0. And all the other cases of planned obsolescence. Car battery can be connected with 2 wires. Since ever. In rain, mud, frost and vibrations. 1000A easily. GPU needs just 20..50A of the same 12V, but has a cable/adapter mess like never seen before. wtf? sorry 🤣
Pricing is pretty good right now, but should get even better once the complete AMD and intel ranges have been released. That will flow onto boards and ram as well, not just the cpus
I upgraded to a 5700x two weeks ago. It's nice to see that I made the right choice. Also, it's cooled just fine by the Wraith Prism cooler from my 2700x.
I also upgraded to the 5700x and I used my wraith spire from my 3600x and it surprisingly cools it enough. It is a really efficient 8 core cpu. But I will probably get a budget aftermarket cooler to keep the temps a little lower and quieter noise
I just upgraded from a i7-4790 (non-K) to a 5700x and I couldn't be happier. 7000 series is way too expensive right now in Brazil, so upgrading to AM4 still made a ton of sense for me. Also got a good price on a 6700 XT (from a 1050 Ti), so I'm set for a few years.
i don't really expect a reply but considering it says video editing in the title i was sorta curious what you guys would actually recommend for high end video workloads. i'm working mainly with after effects so i would assume performance would be similar to the premiere benchmarks from the other vids, but the 7950x and the 13900 seem to be really close in regards to video workflow. was hoping maybe based on your personal experience you might lean towards one or the other, assuming stuff like extra costs (mobo / ram / upgrade path) were not a factor. thanks :)
@@ForAnAngel Zen 4's Ryzen 7 7700X makes the 5700X irrelevant. No integrated graphics on the processor always has been dumb. Cache doesn't tell the whole story, IPC is more important.
@@saricubra2867 For people upgrading from from Zen 1, the 5700X is not irrelevant. If he already had a GPU, which is likely since the 1300X didn't have integrated graphics either, then going to the 5700X would've made more sense than going to the 5700G. And since the 5700X and 5700G both have the same IPC, the cache difference would make the 5700X much faster than the 5700G. To upgrade to the 7700X would've cost much more money because you'd also need to get a new motherboard and RAM.
@@ForAnAngel From a Ryzen 7 1700 to a 5900X, you get over the twice the fps on Cyberpunk 2077, since the Ryzen 7 5700X is only a 8 core processor, perfomance would be far worse than a 5900X and 12700K. It lacks iGPU too so it's useless if you only want a usable PC.
Thanks for the video. Unlike many who only test gaming performance, and Cinebench, your insight is more concise and useful. It appears that a 5800x3D is the choice for those who already have AM4 setups, and the 13600k for new rigs. Both are great for their prices and performances. Happy Thanksgiving!
You listen to the CULT too much ,, 5800X3D way WAY over-priced extremely overhyped... It is a cult cpu designed to empty the wallets of the feeble minded
Great overview! Thanks as usual 😉 I actually expected to see the R5 5500 as the below 100$ recommendation. Here in Europe I can get the for around 89€ these days which makes it a good deal in combination with a cheap board in my eyes. The I3 10100F is around 110€ here.
This video is a bad joke, full of ignorant arrogance, the 5500 is awesome value for money, you are completely right, the 10100f is very crappy compared to it and you need an intel mainboard, which is expensive and you can not do overlcoking or things like that. Also the 4500(now 72 Euros at Mindfactory) is one of the best value for money CPUs. Both the 4500 and even more the 5500 are very energy efficient(he did not include them in the lists, bad almost al kind of crappy inefficient CPUs and ba value ones. Also you get a very valueable game bundle with it(Uncharted Legacy of Thiefs Collection) an the B450 or even cheaper older motherboards are not expensive at all. Also what was missing that the Ryzen 5 5600 for 119 Euros(special offer a few days ago) with free shipping, game bundle, box cooler is awesome money and even enough for a 3080+ or 6900+. Even for a normal price of about 135 to 140 Euros it´s very good value. It´s cheaper than a 12100f when you add up the costs of the motherboards and very cheap DDR4 is enough. The budget Ryzen 5s are not to beat in value for money. I have a undervolded and slightly underclocked 4500 and it´s awesome, energy efficient and fast enough for my 6600xt(I can even play Forza Horizon without any noticable FPS drop in 4k, when I switch off 9 od the 12 threads. It needs about 10 W on every no matter how many core I use in gaming. In 4k it´s easily fast enough for my 3080 in extreme-maxed out settings, I can also switch off 9 cores. I switched of the 9 cores off only to test it how far I can go, usually I play with 12 threads or I switch of every other thread and play with 6(for abit better performance, like SMT off, but done with the taskmanager, not with the bios, because when I disable SMT there my PC totally crashed and I need a bios reset). Expensive CPU are very overrated for gaming, even nowadays when you can play so 4k with almost every new GPU. Just get a very powerful GPU and buy a very cheap CPU combo)with board and ram), just as strong or a bit stronger than you need it, that way you get way more FPS than with a expensive CPU, exopensive board and expensive ram and a weak GPU, for the same total budget. It is not really stupid to pair a 3080 or 6900xt with a 5500, when you play mostly 4k and maybe QHD. At the moment 4k 60 hz monitor are a good budget option, for about 200. For that option even a 4100 is more than strong enough. A good budget gaming set up would be a 4500(or maybe 5500), B450 board with rx6600 and a cheap 4k 60 hz monitor, very affordable and very good, awesome value for money.
@@hartmutdietz1228 wow! Toller Beitrag! Dankeschön. Hilft mir bei der Entscheidungsfindung. Ich muss mein komplettes System upgrades und hole mir erstmal eine 6700xt Karte. Sind bei am4 denn Updates in FSR3.0 UND SAM dann auch drin?
Wow great video, I built my PC 3 years ago and haven't stayed up to date and now I'm building my little brother one for Christmas and I need to get back up to date. Perfect timing 🤣
Just a few days ago i upgraded from a Ryzen 7 2700 (non X) to a Ryzen 7 5800X3D for 350€. Availability is actually still quite good in germany by the way.
I bought a 7600x and returned it for a 7700x that went on sale a while ago. I think I made the right call on that. I just need my GPU and after that my system should be perfectly fine until an end of board life where I can get a final upgrade for the board.
Picked up a 5900x to replace my 2600, absolutely unreal difference for editing, AM4 lasted so long we should reward AMD for their behaviour in future. Intel made me change motherboards three times in five years back in the day!
Are you talking i7 2600 or AMD 2600? For about 300 I recently went from i-5 2500k to i7 9700K with 32GB of RAM, 500 GB m.2 and a z390 motherboard. eBay auction is so good for used PC kits. Maybe your 2600 will end up there?
I will upgrade PC from my son - CPU from 2700X up to 5700X in addition to GPU - old RX470 will be replaced with an RX6750XT. Costs: 200 € - Ryzen 5700X 480 € - MSI RX6750XT Gaming X Trio It will be an massive performance upgrade for less then 700 €. It should be enough for next few years, I hope so. What you think about this upgrade path?
Considering the current prices, I'd say 5600 especially and even 12400F also need a shout out, since they aren't much more expensive than 12100F but come with those nice core count bonus. As good as 12100F is on a budget, it will not age well with that 4C/8T. 5600 at 135$ with Uncharted included is the best value ever I've seen in a CPU in my opinion.
You definitely hit a sweat spot with your purchase. I bought the 5900x for my Blender workstation. And to be honest, I almost never make use of the full 24 threads. The 5800x is definitely the best when it comes to price to performance. And Having more cores than 8 really only matters if you are running fluid simulations. Or if you are a virtual machine fiend like I am turning into. You made the right choice, dude. The 5800x non 3d version is underrated.
@@robertkeaney9905 Ahh that sucks man. I considered the 5900 as well, but wasn't even doing much 3D stuff, so figured it would've been overkill. Good that you can still utilize it by running virtual machines tho! I'd love to upgrade this 5800X but don't see what I could upgrade it to after just having bought a new mobo and new ram (have to stick to AM4 a bit longer). Will have to bite through until the new series gets the 3D treatment and becomes a bit more affordable to make the full switch.
@@DeejayJeanP Do Whatever suits your needs man. If you ever decide to get into heavy rendering work flows, then going for a ton of cores isn't a bad investment at all. It'll save you a lot of time on larger renders actually. Also if you are getting a new motherboard and new ram, then I hope you find a combo that works you dude. And I hope that prices drop on the new series next year. So eventually you can get that upgrade.
@@robertkeaney9905 Interesting, I'll keep that in mind - thanks for the heads up man. I've been getting into Unreal Engine and doing renders in that, too much of a noob still to see how well the hardware works for now. Might do a CPU upgrade if I start running into issues, but for now the 4090 doesn't seem to be throttled, and render times are alright. Thanks again man!
Finally made the decision to upgrade from my 2017 i7 7700K. Picked up a 7700X at the dropped price today! Thanks for all your reviews Steve. Guess this is it for me for the next whatever number of years, probably will pick up an X3D version in the future, hopefuly AMD doesnt screw up their final X3D for this X670 Series
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Thanks steve *wink*
I have a 1600 and this MSI motherboard I don't think the UEFI can handle the requirements of the 5700x/5800x.
My 7 year upgrade cycle is due for 2023, might start looking at stuff now though. THANKS STEVE
wheres the 3300X in all these charts? Reminds me of its launch. (nowhere to be found)
What are you goind to do when you hit over 15 years of experience in reviewing a subject/thing? will you add a + to the 15 or will the scale change?
Looking forward to biggest disappointment, my favorite category!
Can't wait for the Disappointment Build this year!
hmm hmm
Man I'm so excited
@@GamersNexus is it gonna include the 4080 or does the ARC beat them?....or lose, depending on how you look at it
@@GamersNexus I can't wait and make enough of those t-shirts!!!
Just bought all of the parts for an AM4 build (5700X), still made sense to me considering how well it performs and how pricey latest gen systems are.
Great price to performance on AM4 still.
Great choice considering the price. And with that build, you can easily skip the expensive current gen 7000-series :)
its insane, i am considering...x570s aorus master is so cheap!
Perfectly valid approach, all it means though is that you won't be able to perform incremental upgrades on your system and instead will have to build a completley new system when the time comes
@@GamersNexus I just got for a friend an Asus a320m-k with a Ryzen 5 5500 for like $145 all new, here in Mexico!
I'm impressed that this combo it's close to an i5-12400 in performance for that price!
Phenomenal how much effort goes into these videos.
Big love to you all in the GN team.
I upgraded from 1700 to 5700x on my x370 board. Thanks for the recommendation. I'm really happy with the performance upgrade. Keep up the good work.
That’s funny because I also went from the 1700 to the 5700x. Pretty awesome bump in performance all around
same here, with pbo2 setup..it's insane. low temperature and powerful.
How can 5700x run on x370?
@@DEADjo10 bios update
Same here, but temps are 60-70C idle with NZXT X62 aio. Must need some configuration in Curve opto. As it sticks at 4.6GHz.
The CPU market is awesome right now. So much choice from either Intel or AMD 👍
The competition has gotten so tight its really exciting. Quite glad to see such a close race!
how is the competition tight? intel won every important category including best gaming, best overall, and best budget. no one cares about efficiency. keep coping amd shill
@@luxemier I care when it's production work
All of you tech companies fanboy need to go touch grass for once.
@@luxemier by how much though lol. If AMD manages to keep prices down they're doing a good job at keeping a monopoly from running people over. Just gotta respect it
@@pacifistduck9615 I am a fan of tech, the companies don't matter, the competition does. Anyone who is a fan of tech should want all of the companies to do well since that is what drives technology, variety and quality, and also hopefully keeps prices under control. We would all be better off if AMD, intel, and Nvidia were not the only major players, and if fanboys didn't exist.
I would really love to see a new benchmark for those turn based strategy games you mentioned in the vid, where instead of measuring fps, you could measure turn times, which from personal experience is much more important. I think it would bring something fresh to the lineup of games
Civ VI huge map, max city states etc would be interesting.
@@darkstorminc Yes because the AI sees my current rig and tries to run out my patience to deny me my victory.
I would like the same as I'm looking to play Warhammer 3 a lot more when they finally get round to fleshing out immortal empires. I currently have a 9700K with 2070 super at 1080p and am looking to upgrade to 1440p. I'm hoping I can get some decent performance boost upgrading just cpu to 13700K for example.
I'm so happy i decided for the 5700x ... really nice and efficient cpu.
Same! I love that the 5700x pulls the same amount of power as my previous 3600x, but more cores!
Thermals are great, it's very much like an 8-core 5600X. The 5700X combines the best of the 5600X (which I also have) and the 5800X.
@@jimtekkit exactly how i see it! Great lil cpu
The efficiency aspect is really nice for us Small-Form-Factor folks!
Literally every CPU and GPU in my household is undervolted or has its power target reduced. Its amazing by how much you can reduce power (and with that heat) just by being willing to maybe loose a few percent performance.
What CPU are you doing with and what's its TDP? Why not just go with a 65w part if you are using something in the 120w range?
you know i love this guy insted of just dragging on the video or putting the impotent stuff at the end or scaterd around he how want people mostly want and after saying what he needs to he got straight to the point love this
The AMD 5000 series prices are crazy. It was about a year ago that a friend needed a drop in AM4 CPU fast. We went to Best Buy and the only CPU they had in the store was a 5800X. He paid $430 USD plus tax for it. His 3600X was still under warranty and he recovered some of the cost after they sent him the replacement. Surprisingly, the turn around was only about 3 weeks.
u guys got robbed
That was a bad time to buy CPUs, shortages, miners were buying those up....
Were crazy* now that 5800 is 199-209 😭
@@ASEKen CPUs was never price hiked, stop excusing AMD for price hiking themselves just because you revere them
@@ASEKen CPUs are not used for mining
Going from a 3600x to a 5700x was a solid upgrade. I have it paired with a 3080 at 1440p. I noticed better 1% and average frames go up and games were overall smoother. It was a simple drop in and bios update. This cpu will hold me over until AMD releases 3DVcache cpus on AM5
My favourite cpu of the year is definitely the 5800x3d.... I'm not interested in the next gen ones yet. Maybe in a few years I might be interested in a new platform but my AM4 rig is fine.
The 12400F needs to be somewhere in there. Amazing gaming performance for like 150 bucks. The same is true for the Ryzen 5600.
true, amazing successor for the 3600
The 5600g is about 100 now, insane value
Intel thanking Steve will NEVER get old.
And wow.
It has been.
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Watching the i5-13600k smashing my i9-10900k 😭 damn that thing is impressive for the money.
The 10900K is still good today! Not as shiny and new, but still can get the job done!
Just got my 13600k today. Disabled the ECores and overclocked to 5.7GHz. Absolutely crushes my old 9900k.
@@kineticconundrum That's impressive wow 5.7GHz is very good
I feel that! I’ve been squeezing all I can from my 9900k, delidded and all-core overclocked to 5.0 - 5.2ghz. Sad to see it’s not keeping up with new gen, but it should keep me going for a lil while
@@gabrielb238 I'm running my 9900K @ 5Ghz with DDR4-3600 CL16, paired with an RTX 3060 Ti for 1440p/144Hz. The CPU is still great for gaming at 144hz.
I have been in the PC business for 30 years... there has never been a better time to choose a cpu. The options are plenty, good, and not many sacrifices needed. The fact that I can do my 3D work and render complex projects on the same computer that I use to game is nuts. You used to have to choose one or the other, while paying a LOT more.
Same here, also working with 3D and rendering. Got the 13900K, but while I do game a lot, that was by no means my reason for getting it (as a 13600K would be plenty powerful for that). My 3D program of choice is exclusively cpu-based render so the massive core count and threads of the 13900K basically makes it a budget version of a last gen threadripper-spec cpu for non-enterprise use. The fact that it also scores best in gaming just means I have a valid reason to also consider a gpu upgrade sometime in the future
While paying alot more? 😅
Pretty much everything has literally doubled in price 😅
I agree...I am finally building a powerhouse desktop PC that can not only handle gaming but everything I need as an IT professional who runs a ton of VMs. I am building a custom loop with Asus Crosshair Extreme motherboard, 7950x and a 4090. Two 4tb nvme drives (adding another two when gen 5 drives are readily available). I have 4 thunderbolt 4 ports and 60w fast charging capability on the front panel which helps with my Ultrabooks. 128gb of DDR5 memory is running beautifully at 6000mhz. Finally I have a PC that can do everything I dreamed of for years.
@@DarkWidget Aside video cards, that happen to be overpriced atm. Everything else is stupid cheap with a little perspective. I had over 15 cpus over the past 3 decades, I payed anywhere from 600 dollars to 2000 dollars for them (adjusted to inflation it would be a lot more in most cases). The most expensive ones could not even game properly. Now anyone can buy a 600 dollar cpu that is stellar for both work and gaming. That was unimaginable until Ryzen gave the cpu market new life. I can give more examples, but at least from my perspective... it has never been better.
@@GSP-76 Exactly! Is a dream come true to be a professional now. I remember paying close to 6 grand for a full PC 15 years ago that could only do one thing properly... render. Adjusting for inflation that should be over 10k. You are getting a beast that can do it all for much less.
I feel it is definitely understated how excellent this content is. Every single video. Thanks guys. We all really appreciate it.
Dude...I just noticed the vertical blue bar countdown timer for your performance charts. The attention to detail and viewer care of this channel is truly next-level.
Just this morning I decided to decide on the CPU decision, after months of pondering all of my options. Impeccable timing of this video!
I bought the i5 13600K last week! This makes me feel even better about my purchase! Love the channel...so helpful!
I just built myself a new PC about 2 weeks ago with 13600k, it is freaking great!
@@pr107 me too 13600k
I upgraded from my 2600x to 5600 because it was on a mad sale in my country, looked at 5600x but it was (equivalent of) $60 more for just a little bit more speed. 5700(x) was out of the question for my budget unfortunately. I'm still happy
Edit: talkin about ryzen 5*
Is it worth it? I'm looking to upgrade and I have a 2600 old so basically a better 2600x
@@RichardMontgomeryYT Depends on your use case, but I upgraded from 2600 to 5600 like 2 weeks ago and the difference is significant. I also got it on sale (152 EUR incl. tax) and it included a promo key for Uncharted: Legacy of Thieves. Great value imo. Paired with RTX 3080 the fps gain is 15-50% (depending on title).
@@Shadefury did exactly the same, bought it few weeks ago (with the uncharted coupon) and installed it last week
pretty decent upgrade for that price that you really can feel even during normal stuff like browsing....my vivaldi is so fast now compared to 2600x and I haven't even tune the system, the 5600x has much better memory controller so I am sure I can still tune my ram
I upgraded my nephew, friend and myself with the 5600, all of us with 5 year old builds. Now we'll be able to buy mid-range GPUs over the next year or so and have brand new computers essentially.
5600 wins my personal best value cpu of 2022 in terms of price to performance at the price it was going for in late 2022 going for as low as $160cad. Also the 5500 dropped to a really attractive price as it could be had for $99cad. Intel had no answer as they tend to have much if any sales.
Would be great to see productivity as a category
Would ideally always be an inclusion, most of the fps stats are so over the top these days that they almost seem redundant to me.
I was also hoping for that category, but as shown in the individual reviews, different productivity applications tend mix up the charts based on how the application loads the cpu and it seems to be pretty close between the i9 and 7950x. So with the price decrease the 7950x is looking like it makes more sense to me.
@@-opus indeed, and realistically if your in-game fps exceeds a 144hz monitor, how much more do you need outside of semi-professional gaming anyways.
I'd at least like to see some common productivity awards included, as things like streaming (and thus video editing too to an extend), and 3D modelling etc gets more common among common users and not just large enterprise companies. I mix my pc for 3D work and gaming, and while the 13900K scored the "best gamer" award, the only reason I got it over the 13600K was because of its productivity value in 3D rendering etc.
@@Real_MisterSir 13900k wins in most productivity benchmarks especially 3d.
@@Felale Yup that's what I gathered too. Gonna run some tests once it arrives and is up and running
This video came at the perfect time for my recommended, I'm finally upgrading my old system to get into more current hardware and I can't wait. Great video as always. Coming from a 7700k which to its credit has served me well the new performance is much desired.
Starting a new build myself after 8 years. Had a 4690k. Ordered a 6750xt last week for $420. No idea what cpu to get lol.
I feel ya I’m Upgrading from an i3 7100
Same as I am doing, coming from a 7700k. Thinking about amd now, great Value and performance.
@@LeoN-pl4dc I ordered a 5700x for $190.
Upgrading from a 2500k. Great this came out since I'm out of touch
Just built a new system and upgraded too a 5800x3D can’t recommend it enough great CPU.
X3D is awesome! Looking forward to testing the new ones.
@@GamersNexus At a guess most people watching your channel will be very interested in the new X3D range
Agreed, X3D is a great value. An amazing CPU for gaming at 4k due to its impressive 1% lows. Also saves AM4 users from having to upgrade for a while longer. I'd like to wait until the next iteration of AM5 & X3D before adopting the platform.
@@asplmn Has been a great upgrade for me at 1600p coming from a 5600x. No more dips and bumps, it's smoothed out my game play a lot.
The big problem about AMD right now is the new motherboard price,in the past you can get a x570 motherboard for 200 buck cad that features sli support,now you pay 300 for a b series motherboard
Not only that, I'm weary about the integrated pluton security chip in AM5 cpus
If you are "gaming" and not really using all the "raw data processing power" then Consider Longevity when Intel swaps out their socket in a year or two and AMD is still supporting the AM5 platform for .. well .. a REALLY long time (based on AM4 support which even at "end-of-life" is STILL being supported) ..
I got tired of buying "all new" for Intel every other year .. unless you just need that "newest raw power" and "money is no object" .. and even then, go with AMD .. lol .. they are kicking Intel's fanny in the "professional-use" market ..
@@fatherguse9019 This video along with many other professional testing says otherwise. 13th gen is kicking AMD's fanny as you put it. Not to mention 12th gen held the king spot for quite awhile the past year or so. It's no competition anymore. AMD will always just be an edgy fanboy's lover CPU.
@@setha7398 no
@@setha7398 Really, dude? We all have AMD to thank for having such high core cpus these days. If it were up to Intel, we'd all still be on 4 core chips and getting little 5% performance upgrades every year. Yeah, Intel 13th is top of the mountain at the moment because it's the newest, which is what happens during every new launch. And in 6 months, AMD will release 7000 series 3D chips and be on top. Then 6 months later, it'll swing back to Intel.
That said, after seeing AM4, I don't know how anyone could like Intel these days. AMD owners have been able to upgrade to every new chip, while Intel requires a board upgrade every new chip. Maybe, if you're lucky, you get one cpu upgrade out of Intel. And this is coming from a former Intel user. I always loved them, but last year, I went AMD and never looked back. The high entry cost sucks at the moment, but with the recent price cuts and the fact that AM5 will probably be supported for the next 4-5 years makes AMD a no-brainer in the long run. Not to mention, AMD actually tries to innovate and upgrade their technology. Intel just pumps more watts into their chips and adds wimpy e-cores to try and keep their core counts high. And what are we on now for Intel, 10++++++ nm? Pathetic.
Really unfortunate about the 5800X3D's availability issues. It's an absolute monster of a gaming CPU that is a no brainer for those on the AM4 platform.
Not cheap enough compared to 13600k + z690 + D4.
@@kevinsmith4329 sure let me just buy another board which wont have upgrability path, he means for people who already have AM4
@@kevinsmith4329 b550 + d4 + 5800x3d is cheaper
@@andreaprudente1158 Agreed, AM4 is very viable right now and the 5800x3d is in some respects a generation ahead of the rest of the 5000 series.
Yeah,the 5800X3D is amazing,I wonder when they will announce the 7xxxX3D CPU's.
9:40 I recently turned SMT off for my 3950X and the peak power went from about 160W to 100W. This is great, since while I do use a lot of the cores, I rarely actually stressed all of them and the difference in performance for those applications that do use all the cores is pretty much negligible.
Sadly, S3 does not work when you disable SMT in Ryzen.
Just use Eco mode
I went for 13600kf + 32GB Kingston Renegade 6400 CL32 and Asus Z790-A WiFi. Jumping from 3770. Can't wait to build it - probably this weekend.
I love Eco mode, I was running 5900x at 95W previously and have now manually adjusted to 89W with very slight multicore losses for loads better cooling. Not sure I am at the sweet spot in terms of performance but looking great now.
😂at 13:37 the only thing I could see was the bent pins on that cpu….
Thank you for this GN! It *IS* a great time to be a pc/gaming enthusiast! With amazing performance and terrific competition between team red and team blue, you really can’t go wrong choosing either right now!
No mention of the R5 5600, it was the best selling CPU a few weeks ago. On sale everywhere for $130 down from $200.
just bought a 5600g for 120, AMD are killing it with value.
Ryzen 5 5600 really should have been the budget CPU winner, but maybe this list was made before the huge sale happened. The i3 -12100F is kind of weak, it being i3 makes me think it's a bottleneck. While the Ryzen 5 5600 looks like it can perform next to any CPU all the way to the top unless you are doing extreme tasks. 5600 can basically reach similar performance to other CPU as long as the GPU is good.
@@fireemblemaddict128not to mention future upgrade to ryzen 9 via the am4 platform
I upgraded my 2400G, which I've had for 4 years, to a 5600 for only $120. And I got a 6650XT for only $260. I'm really happy!
That's a great bang for buck pc! That will play any game you want with a high refresh rate. Enjoy!
I upgraded from 1700 to 5700X for the exact reasons mentioned in this video. Absolutely amazing. I have a 5800X sitting right next to it and honestly I don't notice the difference between the two. Best thing, the woeful cooler that came with the 1700 works fine on the 5700X - even when stressing it at 100% for the entire weekend.
The 5700x is a more efficient 5800x with basically the same performance. Its a great cpu and I'm glad I upgraded to it as well. I have my wraith spire from my 3600x cooling it and it surprisingly handles it well!
had a 3700x paired with my 3080ti and later switched it out with a 5800x3d and saw a huge performance uplift. playing cyberpunk ultra settings 1440p at 60fps with RTX on is an enjoyable experience
I am a bit of an AMD fanboy but if I was building today i really think the 13600k is very impressive and would probably be my choice. That being said I have not experienced the new E core P core architecture, and I do wonder if it may introduce some odd behaviour.
The 13600K is better overall for sure, but if all you do is game... the 7600X is 5% faster (even more if you use DDR4 with the 13600K). Having said that, I believe the 7700X at 350 is the best overall option at that price range. You get top gaming performance (only 2-5% slower than 13900K), great mt performance, and has good efficiency (cheaper psu and cooling needed). Aside from the fact that am5 will have several generations worth of upgrades. Either way, great CPUs, you will be happy no matter what.
@@facundoorzabal8021 You should consider switching the k's in the 7700 and 7600 since those mean the older 7th gen Intel and not the AM5 Zen4 AMD CPUs.
@@facundoorzabal8021 13600k can easily overclocked to 5.7g with e-core disabled. 7700x cannot win it in gaming.
Totally agreed. If I do my build soon, that's probably what I'll choose. However, I'm very hopeful to see the new AMD X3D chips that should be coming in a few months. I'm going to try to wait for them. Because if they can give a 20% or more increase to gaming like the 5800x3D did, that will be very exciting.
@@sack8439 Done... my bad, long day. Thanks.
I appreciate how you all continue to base your recommendations around real world use cases of the hardware. It makes purchasing decisions a lot more scientific
If argue real world use cases makes it less scientific.
For me is the 5800x3D for games if you have an AM4 platform and DDR4. This CPU is a beast price / performance is ubeatable.
The reason it's not in this chart is because the 3d vcache only helps in a few games. In the vast majority of situations it's barely better than a 5800x. It has lower clocks and cannot be overclocked
@@itstheweirdguy fake news. the reason it wasnt in this chart, and GN said it himself, is because at the time of his review, they weren't many readily available. also, hardware unboxed did a 41 game benchmark between both chips and on average the 5800x3d was 15% faster. In 25 games it was 20%-40% faster. They tested even more games when the 13700k released and it was even trading blows with that chip. so plz stop spreading misinformation...
@@TheWitch297 Big facts
I picked up a Ryzen 5 4500 about a month ago at $80. It was an upgrade from a Ryzen 3 3200G (originally with no dedicated GPU so I was gaming on the Vega 8 iGPU). Also recently had purchased a Radeon RX 580. It’s a great little rig.
Went from a 3800x to a 5800x3d this week. Your past video reminded me I needed to grab one before all new stock was gone. My games have never run so smooth, especially the MMO's and open world games. Massive fps gains. 3800x gets to live on in my kids computer, still a large upgrade from the now retired 1700
My plan to max out the AM4 platform and sit on it for a few years is complete...only gpu upgrades from here out
3800x should have had no problem running any game
I did the exact same upgrade, couple weeks ago, too.... 👍 I play on a budget 1080/144 Hz monitor, with RX 6700XT so CPU speed had a bit more impact,
@@pogtuber5146 Yeah its solid, but there are a few games I play where the x3d gives a 50% fps boost even at 1440p. Makes the entire experience much more smooth
@@jno4159 awesome, when I bought my 5600x though the x3d was way more expensive, would have been nice for more future proof
@@pogtuber5146 except a lot of MMOs are more cpu bound and not fully GPU bound, like WoW
I got the 5800x3D, and I didn't know it performed so well. I'm getting it on Christmas 🤣🤣🤣. Great purchase.
5800X3D did NOT win ANY award ,, also did NOT win ANY award from hardware unboxed. WAY way WAY overpriced extremely overhyped shill cult cpu
Bought parts for an i7-13700K with DDR5. Still need to finalize a Graphics card and Power Supply. Trying to decide if 850W will be enough if I get a 7900XTX.
That's more than enough for gaming. Unless you're trying to run 100% load benchmarks on both cpu and Gpu for hours straight you will never break 600w peak draw
you’re the only creator i trust when building my pc, thank you for all your work and research man ❤️
yessssssssssssss! FINALLY its getting toward the end of the year season and we get ot go through the components roudn up lol. even with prices being w/e they end up being, avalibility for new stuff being weird or too expensive, mannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn im dieing to know what the new round ups have looked like cause i want to build this new pc not only for the fun and enthusiasm but just so that i feel more comfortable nad confident for the next 5 years but GEEEEEEEEEZ theres alot more moving parts when im going from 1 pc i built to another vs a fresh build. i still have NO idea what i wnat ot do agbout my old ssd and nvme drives and whether ill do a fresh official windows install or just plug and play the drives i have now and let thme download new drivers LOL. eitherway thanks a TOn for the cpu reviews cause honestly rounding this info up gives me the perfecttttttttttttttt springboard ot actualy continue my own research and still actually know whats around and good performing, weell liked, and overall a good value etc etc cheers! think ill end up with a "best of the last gen" type build kinda liek what i did in 2018 when i jumpped into 1080 and a ryzen 2600 but this time im hoping for a 2800x if that 3d varient is truly worth the long term gaming value it seems to be otherwise probably 2700x~ and gpu wise its nuts cause i love specific expensive brands so compromising on my personal choice there will be very difficult but i deffinitly dont want to compromise for a 6950 xt and its just been really hard ot get that perfect 3080 life style so who knows~ the new 40 series nvidia is just too much card for me and toooooo much money but the 7900 xt or xtx look SEXY AF from a general build style nad seem the perfect power houses for the 1440p content and quasi future proofing i want. have to wait quite a while but the release time might be the perfect window to join that holiday gamer rush and try to get it in my hands cause i get 12 day holiday from wor kand thats a SEXY amount of time to perfect oder and build and setup a new system without the stress of constantly starting and stopping so cheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeers
im pretty happy with my 11600k but my mobo died and the rma didn't get back to me for almost 8 months and by then i think the next gen was already out AND the 13 gen was right around the corner. felt so shafted but didn't have enough cash for another 150$ mobo at the time
But did you manage to get your computer running again?
What mobo is that?
@@XxxXxx-to8is just a meh range ASrock mobo. there rma service seems pretty bad imo. sure i got it back, but damn it took to long
@@timothy8428 after the mobo got back to me yes. but you know how tech is. soon as you buy it 3 months later its out dated by new. might not be OLD but it was old in a sense i didn't get to utilize it for so long. im currently waiting for the new amd gpu's to come out or a sub 500 6800 xt. to pair with it
@@AlteredCarbons Yep. I know that feeling. I had a similar experience and had to make do with an old second hand computer for years.
I finally upgraded this year, went from a 6600K to the 12700KF, well worth the money, had to spend a good while overclocking the 6600K to squeeze every ounce of performance out of it I could, with the 12700KF the sucker just boosts as long as it has head room, so no time spent overclocking
I discover this channel this year only but omg it's good i binge watch so many past content. Hope you have a successful 2023 year!
more than happy with my 10900k still using it since release ( nearly 3 years ago) and its still a BEAST.
Ill go for a 14900k when it comes with a z890.
Good call! I will also skip out on this generation and stick with my 5700x. If 14th gen is better on power, I may build my first intel pc then!
The lack of any real HEDT CPU's this time around sucks since PCIE lanes are pretty sparse in the lineup we've got right now. It's a pretty unexpected issue for someone looking to upgrade from 2017's X299 processors that are nearing 6 years old.
It's especially problematic that, even though we're at PCIE 5.0 support, realistically most expansion cards, GPU's, really anything you'd use won't be able to take advantage of the extra bandwidth because they're still at 3.0 or 4.0. With less lanes available (Using 1x lane per device now, probably), it's possible you could expect a noticeable performance decrease, especially with large amounts of IO.
It's certainly all a far cry from the heady days of the ASUS P9X79-E WS and X79 in general, when even the 4c 4820K had 40 lanes of 3.0. :\
Really impressed that you gave an award for most efficient. I think I'm going to order the 7950X this week, in case they do end up raising the price again later. It'll probably last me at least 6 years, like my 7700K did in my current build. It'll be the first time I've bought an AMD cpu in almost 20 years!
The big question now is: Will I be going 4090 or 7900XTX for the GPU? Will AMD beat NVidia on efficiency? How close will the 7900XTX come to the 4090 on rasterization? Dec 13th can't come soon enough!
Ahh the 7700k. That CPU was amazing dude. I remember I built my PC with it and when I was going to give it away for my current setup, I found out I had let the CPU run at 100 Celsius for about 5 years. Thats a VERY resilient CPU if you can run it at 100 Celsius for 5 years and not notice any performance drop.
@@sack8439 I delidded and relidded with liquid metal, which made a huge difference in temperatures for my 7700K. Mine also ran pretty hot for the first few years before I did that, though!
Nice one man! I just upgraded to a 7950X from a 6700k and I've got a 3090. I doubt the 7900XTX will come anywhere close to the 4090, but I'm happy to be wrong!
@@joezuu I think it's probably going to just barely beat the 7080 in rasterization and price, and fall behind the 7080 in the other areas like ray tracing, encoding/decoding and OpenCL. I'm suspecting that power efficiency will also lag, due to the 6nm node on the MCD and the chiplet interconnect. But, we'll see, maybe they'll surprise us! I do think they'll at least beat on price/perf, but that's not necessarily going to sway me.
@@robeckel4965 According to moore's law youtube: it will comfortably beat the 4080 in rastor. Will come within 15-10% of 4090 rastor. Will lag behind in raytracing, but still have 10-15% better raytracing than 3090.
Just started the process of upgrading from an i7 2600 (circa 2011) to the R5 7600X.. major upgrade. My only reason for not going for the much cheaper 5000 series Ryzen or even back to Intel is upgrade-ability. AM4 is at the end of the road for that whereas AM5 is just beginning. And Intel? Well they do a lot of things well, but future compatibility was never one of them.. And that's coming from a long time Intel customer. I'm hoping for a very long life out of this system just like my i7 2600 system.
I have an i7-2600 that I've had for nearly 11 years also. It certainly will be interesting to see how the 7600X will perform over time. I don't think it will hold up as long as the i7-2600 because it's not top of the line today, like how the 2600 was in in 2011. Sure I think there was a 2750? that released a little later with a small frequency boost, but the 2600 was near the top. As for upgradeability, my hope when upgrading is that I will be able to keep my computer around for another 10+ years. I do understand the perspective of going lower to mid range at first, then upgrading every few years, but in the long run I'd rather have the top end, or near top end to begin with.
@@mintymus All very true, and my thought process too. The prices being what they are i can't afford top of the line anymore, not when you add GPUS and all that, but my hope is that this AM5 compatibility will remain long enough so I can put a brand new CPU on a 5 year old MOBO in the future.
@@josephg41 I would think it will definitely last 5 years. I've been hesitant to buy anything new because I think after the performance race of the last few years they will start to focus more on performance per watt, but who knows!
The moment Steve started pushing expensive cpu boxes around with his elbow at 0:05, you knew this would be worth watching
Helpful. I have an old system with a 980ti and 3700x. Just pulled the trigger on a 3950x and 7900x. Fun times ahead.
How'd it go
Great summary for the CPUs. Now I would love to understand how to chose motherboards, especially new AM5 chip sets... I am totally confused with the latest generation
I'm confused too. I personally try to think of future upgrades (How many m.2 would you need, RAM upgrades). And some backward compatibility for parts from previous builds.
In that pile of processors, I can see a really old classic Pentium from the late 90s. I'm impressed. Which model is it, just out of curiosity? The casings weren't always very clear on that, at least with the resolution I have.
Same lol
I'm glad I was able to get a brand new 5800x3d for about 320 bucks, also I managed to get an used 3080ti from my friend for around 475 bucks. Feels like I saved a lot of money from these two purchases
That's a crazy good combo and price! That will satisfy you for years to come!
You got robbed ,, a WAY over-priced extremely overhyped wallet emptier
Glad I went from my 7700k to 13600k. It was time for an upgrade and have been more then pleased.
The Ryzen 5 5600 is on sale on Amazon for 118. Great budget upgrade if you already own an AM4 board.
Just got a 7950x yesterday, paid 580 due to holiday sales. Literally less than I paid for my previous 5900x after tax. Have been really happy so far, 5.5ghz stock on all cores while gaming is crazy.
Just bought a 7950x 2 days ago as well. $200 off was just too tempting for me lol. Just need DDR5 RAM and motherboard now. I'm also upgrading from a 5900x lmao
Having just bought a 13600k, thank you for validating my purchase choice! Happy Thanksgiving GN Team.
Man, I wished the 13600k was available when I built my PC a few years back. Oh well, I guess my 5900x would hold up for another 6-8 years. Intel is getting really interesting in terms of mixed workloads, considering I have an A770, it might be worth it to get an Intel CPU in the future for encoding. Just wish that Meteor lake and future releases will focus more on efficiency so they reign in heat and power consumption as I live in a tropical country.
The 5900x is still a beast and will easily last you that long. You can always to wait a few years and hop on AM5 when they release their 3Dvcache cpus
@@Bdot888 Yea, hope it last another 5 years. But I can see the 13600k or the 13700k being good for cpu heavy work like compiling/cpu encoding which I do from time to time.
@@jierenzheng7670 yeah it sucks when you buy something high end and then a year later something mid range beats it. New tech has been moving so fast lately it feels
@@Bdot888 Yea, the only complaint is heat and power draw, hopefully by Intel 15th gen onwards, we see more efficiency.
@@jierenzheng7670 yeah thats what im hoping for as well
Thanks for an awesome year of content!
I also wanted to upgrade to 5800x3D but is out of stock and pricier in my country, end up with a 5950x for $420, seems like a good deal
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@@thealien_ali3382 ew
Shocked that the 5800X3D didn't make this list in any capacity, considering what it does for the AM4 socket! D:
It’s available on eBay for MSRP.
he very clearly explained in the video why it didn't win anything.
Didn't watch the video then...
@@joevoyles2005 I did watch the video. Saying "it's out of stock" insinuates it's never coming back into stock at all. Also, it's in stock right now on Newegg for $375. Invalidated within 30 seconds of typing. :P
Yup was a weak "it's out of stock" even though it isn't & a ton of people got one including myself over the weekend.
Saw the pricing for AM5+DDR5+MB and said "hell no" so i upgraded from 5600x to 5800x3d. New CPU cooler and another 16GB of ram and I'm set for a long time now. Will upgrade GPU next, but like everyone else waiting to see the 79000XTX benchmarks.
You know what, I had just bought a 5600x on amazon.
I just canceled it for a 5700x, the 2 extra cores are something I was debating on, and the mild future proofing for the end of the am4 platform is something I might as well do.
It's gonna be a fancy ass upgrade from my ryzen 2600 though, I'm hyped.
Good move! The $50 or so more for the 5700x is definitely worth it for 8 cores and its great on power usage. I did the same, but coming from a 3600x and still noticed an uplift in performance
Had a buddy ask me for a new build. Opted to get a brand new Ryzen 5 3600, B450 wifi board and a used kit of 32gb of 3200mhz RAM for around $175 all in. Seems like a no brainer compared to the new cpus. Hopefully am5 will enjoy a similar longevity and hopefully will become more competitive in pricing over the generations
I purchased a 5800X3D from newegg yesterday(11-22) for 329 dollars and it came with a free game. Its available on ebay from the largest seller for the same price.
I was last months trying to decide for budget upgrade my Intel gen 4. i7 4770. rtx2060. Finanly I decide for ending AM4 and R7 5700 (after black fridaz discount). I am quite happy. I know CPU is 2 Y old architecture, but I tune bit with TDP and get 5800x performance. Other upgrade choice was i5 12400f. Last days during decision time intel 13. gen was introduce, especialy i5 13600kf, I plan pair it with Z690MoBo+ DDR4. Price of this CPU+MoBo+DDR4 was 50% more. New AMD platform AM5 with expensive MoBo+DDR5 it was 100% more. I am happy. with ryzen 5700x and RTX2060 which is for my hobby rendering and playing in FHD more than enough. Yes may be more future proof regarding CPU power was i5 13600kf with huge power... but AMD AM5 I think is not good perf/price choice now
I’m in 4770k with a rtx 3090 😂 waiting the right time to buy a 13600k or 13700k … but i7 4770k was a good choice back then, oh yeah
@Jeremiah Bakker so me upgrading from a i7 3770k that runs awful on warzone 2.0, I should go for 5700x3d?
@Jeremiah Bakker I was looking at prices and see no big difference between both of them, aiming at 180$ish nice boards and both cpus cost almost the same thing
@@andrebark bro what the bottleneck is heavenly💀💀
@@sweatyhands8564 true, but now Ibought a 13th gen Intel cpu, just waiting to receive it 😄🙌🏻
I managed to snipe down a $299 5800X3D (new with 3 year warranty) and my God, is this CPU a beast. I don't see changing it for the next at least 2 gens of CPUs. The most impressive part about it is the absolutely monstrous numbers of 1% and 0.1% lows. It basically ALWAYS runs at average FPS. Only downside - it needs a really good cooler, but managed to find a $80 EVGA CLC 280 RGB. Absolutely astonishing deals this year on hardware. And considering stuff like rtx 3070 can already be found for under $350 used, I'm quite optimistic for the GPUs as well.
So you overpaid for a cpu that is VERY over-rated
@@tilapiadave3234 Considering i bought it in Europe ($299 was about €278) where the price at that time it was going for way above €500 everywhere else and even now IF you can find any stock it's at best €350, again not dollars, i still think it's the best thing you can buy if you were already in AM4 platform. And very overrated?!? if anything it's actually underrated, especially if you like me spend 90% of you gaming time in ACC.
@@QuantumS1ngularity Over rated SUPER over hyped by a small group CULT Amd shills. r5 5600 ( non x ) makes a LOT more sense at less than half the price
OMG i just swapped my 5900X to the 5800x3D, got one from my local micro center they had it for a good discount and gaming wise, I'm seeing like 20+ FPS improvement with my 3080 @1440P. WoW Dragonflight seeing 170FPS Ultra in the world vs 140. FH5 is pegged at 170 FPS Ultra vs 130 before. If you can get one and still on AM4 and only care about gaming or mostly gaming, definitely get it!!! 5900X is still a good balanced option but the 5800x3D is really a gem!!
Dayum! Gotta upgrade my 3800x to a 5800x3D!
@@FloodExterminatorI got mine in the us for 320usd at microcenter
I sold my 5800X3d for a ball of crack. No regrets!
I have a 3700x and looking at getting the 3800x3d. What's your fps in valdrakken? I'm sitting between 30-55 fps whether it's on settings 1 or settings 10. GPU is 3080 so I know it's a CPU bottleneck.
@@piercetheheavens Uh... There is no such thing as a 3800X3D 😅
Just got a 5800X3D for 329. When I looked a few weeks ago, it had still been 400+. Jumped on the 329 before it went back up again.
Adding the Best Upgrade Value category on point!
Besides the obvious viewer education/entertainment value it also sends lasting signal to manufacturers.
Recent pricing has made it more of a consideration, intel needs to rethink their platform life.
@@-opus Not just Intel. Special power connectors have a place in my heart too. Or DLSS 3 absolutely can (not) work on RTX 30x0. And all the other cases of planned obsolescence. Car battery can be connected with 2 wires. Since ever. In rain, mud, frost and vibrations. 1000A easily. GPU needs just 20..50A of the same 12V, but has a cable/adapter mess like never seen before. wtf?
sorry 🤣
I'm starting to put money aside to upgrade my Ryzen 7 2700. I've been thinking of a Ryzen 7 5800x3D or just a 5700x
Pricing is pretty good right now, but should get even better once the complete AMD and intel ranges have been released. That will flow onto boards and ram as well, not just the cpus
I went from a Ryzen 1700 to 5900x major difference in performance.
You better get the 5700x now, it's black friday pricing. By the time your money is aside it won't be on sale anymore.
I upgraded to a 5700x two weeks ago. It's nice to see that I made the right choice. Also, it's cooled just fine by the Wraith Prism cooler from my 2700x.
I also upgraded to the 5700x and I used my wraith spire from my 3600x and it surprisingly cools it enough. It is a really efficient 8 core cpu. But I will probably get a budget aftermarket cooler to keep the temps a little lower and quieter noise
I just upgraded from a i7-4790 (non-K) to a 5700x and I couldn't be happier. 7000 series is way too expensive right now in Brazil, so upgrading to AM4 still made a ton of sense for me. Also got a good price on a 6700 XT (from a 1050 Ti), so I'm set for a few years.
That is nice upgrade you have! Glad that AM4 is still have its place despite being a dead platform
I've just ordered a 7600x (any all associated goodies) I went with the 7600x because I think AM5 will give more future upgrade potential
i don't really expect a reply but considering it says video editing in the title i was sorta curious what you guys would actually recommend for high end video workloads. i'm working mainly with after effects so i would assume performance would be similar to the premiere benchmarks from the other vids, but the 7950x and the 13900 seem to be really close in regards to video workflow. was hoping maybe based on your personal experience you might lean towards one or the other, assuming stuff like extra costs (mobo / ram / upgrade path) were not a factor. thanks :)
Just went from a Ryzen 3 1300X from 2017... to a Ryzen 7 5700G, for $264 CAD, massive e upgrade and a great value for what you get.
What GPU did you have before? You should have went with the 5700X. The higher cache will make a big difference.
@@ForAnAngel Zen 4's Ryzen 7 7700X makes the 5700X irrelevant. No integrated graphics on the processor always has been dumb.
Cache doesn't tell the whole story, IPC is more important.
@@saricubra2867 For people upgrading from from Zen 1, the 5700X is not irrelevant. If he already had a GPU, which is likely since the 1300X didn't have integrated graphics either, then going to the 5700X would've made more sense than going to the 5700G. And since the 5700X and 5700G both have the same IPC, the cache difference would make the 5700X much faster than the 5700G.
To upgrade to the 7700X would've cost much more money because you'd also need to get a new motherboard and RAM.
@@ForAnAngel From a Ryzen 7 1700 to a 5900X, you get over the twice the fps on Cyberpunk 2077, since the Ryzen 7 5700X is only a 8 core processor, perfomance would be far worse than a 5900X and 12700K. It lacks iGPU too so it's useless if you only want a usable PC.
Thanks for the video. Unlike many who only test gaming performance, and Cinebench, your insight is more concise and useful.
It appears that a 5800x3D is the choice for those who already have AM4 setups, and the 13600k for new rigs. Both are great for their prices and performances.
Happy Thanksgiving!
5800X3D is choice for brain dead fools that LOVE emptying their wallet for no reason
You listen to the CULT too much ,, 5800X3D way WAY over-priced extremely overhyped... It is a cult cpu designed to empty the wallets of the feeble minded
Great overview! Thanks as usual 😉
I actually expected to see the R5 5500 as the below 100$ recommendation. Here in Europe I can get the for around 89€ these days which makes it a good deal in combination with a cheap board in my eyes. The I3 10100F is around 110€ here.
This video is a bad joke, full of ignorant arrogance, the 5500 is awesome value for money, you are completely right, the 10100f is very crappy compared to it and you need an intel mainboard, which is expensive and you can not do overlcoking or things like that. Also the 4500(now 72 Euros at Mindfactory) is one of the best value for money CPUs. Both the 4500 and even more the 5500 are very energy efficient(he did not include them in the lists, bad almost al kind of crappy inefficient CPUs and ba value ones. Also you get a very valueable game bundle with it(Uncharted Legacy of Thiefs Collection) an the B450 or even cheaper older motherboards are not expensive at all. Also what was missing that the Ryzen 5 5600 for 119 Euros(special offer a few days ago) with free shipping, game bundle, box cooler is awesome money and even enough for a 3080+ or 6900+. Even for a normal price of about 135 to 140 Euros it´s very good value. It´s cheaper than a 12100f when you add up the costs of the motherboards and very cheap DDR4 is enough. The budget Ryzen 5s are not to beat in value for money. I have a undervolded and slightly underclocked 4500 and it´s awesome, energy efficient and fast enough for my 6600xt(I can even play Forza Horizon without any noticable FPS drop in 4k, when I switch off 9 od the 12 threads. It needs about 10 W on every no matter how many core I use in gaming. In 4k it´s easily fast enough for my 3080 in extreme-maxed out settings, I can also switch off 9 cores. I switched of the 9 cores off only to test it how far I can go, usually I play with 12 threads or I switch of every other thread and play with 6(for abit better performance, like SMT off, but done with the taskmanager, not with the bios, because when I disable SMT there my PC totally crashed and I need a bios reset). Expensive CPU are very overrated for gaming, even nowadays when you can play so 4k with almost every new GPU. Just get a very powerful GPU and buy a very cheap CPU combo)with board and ram), just as strong or a bit stronger than you need it, that way you get way more FPS than with a expensive CPU, exopensive board and expensive ram and a weak GPU, for the same total budget. It is not really stupid to pair a 3080 or 6900xt with a 5500, when you play mostly 4k and maybe QHD. At the moment 4k 60 hz monitor are a good budget option, for about 200. For that option even a 4100 is more than strong enough. A good budget gaming set up would be a 4500(or maybe 5500), B450 board with rx6600 and a cheap 4k 60 hz monitor, very affordable and very good, awesome value for money.
5500 ,, WASTE of sand ,, EMBARASSING
@@hartmutdietz1228 wow! Toller Beitrag! Dankeschön. Hilft mir bei der Entscheidungsfindung. Ich muss mein komplettes System upgrades und hole mir erstmal eine 6700xt Karte. Sind bei am4 denn Updates in FSR3.0 UND SAM dann auch drin?
Wow great video, I built my PC 3 years ago and haven't stayed up to date and now I'm building my little brother one for Christmas and I need to get back up to date. Perfect timing 🤣
Just a few days ago i upgraded from a Ryzen 7 2700 (non X) to a Ryzen 7 5800X3D for 350€. Availability is actually still quite good in germany by the way.
Yup, biggest disappointment was watching this video and the only comment on it was "it was out of stock"
This weeks I upgraded my 3700x with the 5800x3D...the performance gain is amazing considering I just swaped CPUs.
LMAO ,, 5800X3D ,, over-priced WAY overhyped waste of sand
@@tilapiadave3234 Lazy bait. Try harder.
@@silentdude56k I don't need to try harder , i am already vastly superior :) :)
@@tilapiadave3234 vastly broke
12100 is great for low threaded games. Really one of the best. Considering upgrading my 4790k living room pc to it for emulation.
I see that 12100 is for desktop. Something similar for laptop?
i didnt even know the ryzen 5800x3d was rare. my girl and i just picked them up at microcenter last week. they had like 20 more in stock
its not rare, u can easily find them for 300+ dollar from aliexpress
@@Bodonism ah well I never shoped on aliexpress. I typically get my stuff straight from microcenter. About 20 minute drive.
I bought a 7600x and returned it for a 7700x that went on sale a while ago. I think I made the right call on that. I just need my GPU and after that my system should be perfectly fine until an end of board life where I can get a final upgrade for the board.
I love my 7700x. it's great for gaming in 4k in MSFS and xplane. got it for $350.
Should be mentioned that intel KF versions are also an option not everyone might now what the difference is.
The difference for gamers? Hmmm.. bout 20 bucks!
Picked up a 5900x to replace my 2600, absolutely unreal difference for editing, AM4 lasted so long we should reward AMD for their behaviour in future. Intel made me change motherboards three times in five years back in the day!
Are you talking i7 2600 or AMD 2600?
For about 300 I recently went from i-5 2500k to i7 9700K with 32GB of RAM, 500 GB m.2 and a z390 motherboard. eBay auction is so good for used PC kits. Maybe your 2600 will end up there?
@@Google_Does_Evil_Now RyzeN 5 2600, as I stuck the 5900x straight into my motherboard, amazing cheap upgrade that feels like a brand new PC!
I feel like the 5800X should be on the list, mainly due to massive price drops
Picked up a 5800 at MC for $175…very pleased with its performance.
How much does it go for
@@11wallst that's a steal. I got it for $238
@@arandomcommenter412 initial MSRP was $449
5700x is the same and cheaper
I will upgrade PC from my son - CPU from 2700X up to 5700X in addition to GPU - old RX470 will be replaced with an RX6750XT.
Costs:
200 € - Ryzen 5700X
480 € - MSI RX6750XT Gaming X Trio
It will be an massive performance upgrade for less then 700 €. It should be enough for next few years, I hope so.
What you think about this upgrade path?
Steve is probably the only tech YTer who doesn't feel obligated to put on a blazer for their yearly "Best of" video
Got the 5700X recently as an upgrade from 3600. Really good value for a cpu performance close to 5800X
im on the same boat, maybe would buy 5700x this black friday lol
Considering the current prices, I'd say 5600 especially and even 12400F also need a shout out, since they aren't much more expensive than 12100F but come with those nice core count bonus.
As good as 12100F is on a budget, it will not age well with that 4C/8T.
5600 at 135$ with Uncharted included is the best value ever I've seen in a CPU in my opinion.
Really enjoy my 5800X for gaming and production work. Not too sold on the 3D version yet tho as it doesn't do well with content creation and such.
in case of content creation, x3d isn't for it. so, your purchase is on point.
You definitely hit a sweat spot with your purchase. I bought the 5900x for my Blender workstation. And to be honest, I almost never make use of the full 24 threads.
The 5800x is definitely the best when it comes to price to performance. And Having more cores than 8 really only matters if you are running fluid simulations. Or if you are a virtual machine fiend like I am turning into.
You made the right choice, dude. The 5800x non 3d version is underrated.
@@robertkeaney9905 Ahh that sucks man. I considered the 5900 as well, but wasn't even doing much 3D stuff, so figured it would've been overkill. Good that you can still utilize it by running virtual machines tho!
I'd love to upgrade this 5800X but don't see what I could upgrade it to after just having bought a new mobo and new ram (have to stick to AM4 a bit longer).
Will have to bite through until the new series gets the 3D treatment and becomes a bit more affordable to make the full switch.
@@DeejayJeanP Do Whatever suits your needs man. If you ever decide to get into heavy rendering work flows, then going for a ton of cores isn't a bad investment at all.
It'll save you a lot of time on larger renders actually. Also if you are getting a new motherboard and new ram, then I hope you find a combo that works you dude.
And I hope that prices drop on the new series next year. So eventually you can get that upgrade.
@@robertkeaney9905 Interesting, I'll keep that in mind - thanks for the heads up man.
I've been getting into Unreal Engine and doing renders in that, too much of a noob still to see how well the hardware works for now.
Might do a CPU upgrade if I start running into issues, but for now the 4090 doesn't seem to be throttled, and render times are alright.
Thanks again man!
Upgraded my 3600 to a 5800x when Amazon matched the price to the 5700x. Can’t wait to test it out!
Finally made the decision to upgrade from my 2017 i7 7700K. Picked up a 7700X at the dropped price today!
Thanks for all your reviews Steve. Guess this is it for me for the next whatever number of years, probably will pick up an X3D version in the future, hopefuly AMD doesnt screw up their final X3D for this X670 Series
What would be my best option to upgrade from a 9700 non k? Using rtx 4080 and the 9700 is holding it back. Thanks for any help.