@@TimsVariety Kinda devastated aswell. Just discovered last week how good the F84F is in ground RB alongside the JaPz2. And now they kinda messed it up
@@jakobc.2558 CCIP: continuously computed impact point CCRP: continuously computed release point CCRP requires you to designate or mark a target first, then if you hold the weapon release button, it will drop bombs at the correct time. CCIP will just show you where your munitions will land. CCIP ends up being more useful in practice as it's easier and quicker to use, more versatile, and works for more weapons. CCRP requires a bit of setup.
@@theaveragegamer7221 CCIP (Constantly Computed Impact Point) tells you where the bomb/rocket is going to land, whereas CCRP (Constantly Computed Release Point) tells you when to release your ordinance in order for it to hit a predetermined spot. The crosshairs showing you where a bomb will land in Arcade; that’s CCIP
Bad luck, they just removed the CCIP for bombs today and replaced it with the CCRP. Still great for grinding by bombing bases in air battles, but good luck using the CCRP for CAS.
ccrp is still useful, and if you can get used to it you can do a lot more damage with the a4e and the walleye x 500lb dumb bomb loadout than the bullpups
CCRP is a gift for those who want to do some high alt cas since most SPAAs cant reach over ~3km, downside: you need the bigger bombs since 250lbs bombs are too inaccurate to do damage on bigger targets and of course moving targets
One big negative thing about this one.... once it gets even a little ding, it looses immediately 50% of it's already abysmal energy retention and gain... furthermore, any asymmetrical damage to the wings, and it pretty much goes into an unrecoverable spin any time you try a harder turning maneuver over the bad wing.
"For some reason the F-84F looks like a fish." Okay so I'm not the only one that thinks that. I much more prefer the other variants of the F-84, those fuel tanks on the straight edge wings looks so good to me
Gonna be honest, I hated this thing. Only flown the Italian one, long enough to spade it. Grew on me as an attacker, but that was when it had an air spawn. Taking this out against fighters is a pain, especially stock. At least it got its full 6000lb bomb load, and a CCIP... sorry, CCRP. Gaijin giveth, and Gaijin taketh away.
To me, this thing was good as an attacker and ONLY as an attacker. Taking it out to bomb bases, and then using my bullets to destroy light pillboxes to bleed enemy tickets. That's the only way i recall ever winning with this plane
I personally enjoy this jet. Maybe it’s because I haven’t really used anything better but as someone climbing through the tiers this jet finally feels like more of a modern jet compared to what I’ve flown before. I’ll grind further into the tree and see how I feel later on tho.
F-84s are in general very lacklustre to me, specially now that this one is missing CCIP. The early variants have BR on their side, this one I'll leave to the enthusiasts.
Hey Tim, just wanted to let you know some of your thumbnails are a bit of a hard read on mobile. I’d recommend to do screenshots that might show the silhouette of the aircraft better? I’d also recommended a shot that’s maybe a bit more close up- not saying to copy spookston but his more close up thumbnails are definitely easier to read visually. Maybe a good middle ground? Edit: your F7F thumbnail and SU-22 thumbnail are both great
I have a small bias to this plane. My state Air guard had one and its sitting at a museum at Ankeny airport just waiting to be restored. I plan on trying too later in life.
@@XMJ3904 a small museum that's on the airport. I think last I heard the engine that was in it is currently in a still flight airworthy aircraft in Kansas. I could be wrong
I have a question are the free fall characteristics of its napalm bombs are wrong? I did a high altitude CCRP drop on a base with them and so had be almost on top of the base and the bombs immediately lost forward velocity and fell straight down flopping like a fish as the they went down. I would think a bomb weighing close to the same as a 500lb would fall differently
about to unlock this thing after having nothing else to research. seems pretty fast. Also, after watching, I notice that you have the same texture glitches as I do. I thought it was just my pc that had a vram leak (watched my swapfile while playing war thunder).
If anyone has any tips for using the F104A and how to deal with missiles in early missile thunder that would be spectacular. I am new to topish tier and I just got the F104A… do I just suffer?
Just roll to one side and if the missiles follows you roll to the other side. You need to get out of the missiles seeker FOV or overload its msximum G tolerance. If you later get flares on other planes, always shut afterburner down and fly in a way that puts the flares directly in front of the missiles seeker while you getting away from that area. The missile wants a nice hot target and if you just drop flares in a straight line while flying it often wont change targets. But even if you no all this and can evade every missile in the game when you are fast enough without flares, you will get killed because players launch them at you when you aren't aware of enemies. That is just how it is. Good luck and don't be bothered, a kill ratio of 0,25 to 1 is very common for the first jet. The vulcan is great, don't upgrade gun for now and spray with it in head ons when the enemy is about 2,5 km away. Spray 1 second and break of. Repeat - you have a lot of ammo.
f104a and c have been powercrept, which basically means that plane was good when it was added to the game at 9.7. now its 10.0 and the game has changed so you shouldnt take it out anymore. if you have to i would say play it as a support plane and if you get a missile on you, you need to be going around mach 1 and learn how to outroll missiles. even 30g missiles can be dodged if you learn to roll. edit: when evading missiles you need to cut your afterburner or you will have no chance.
@@mtxdp4392 They should just delete or at least fold the two US F-104s. At 0.3 higher you can get 4 9Js instead of 2 9Bs and flares. Insane. If you have F-104 in winnie puhs tree then the F-5A needs that much of a grind compared to F-5E. Or just buy a A-5C 🙃
@@majo3488 as someone whos grinded out 7 of the air trees i can say air rb is broken beyond repair so i dont play it anymore. i would like for them to add more loadout options for the f104a/c so i could use them in my ground rb lineup
UPDATE - the snail hates me, and changed the CCIP to CCRP mere hours after I published this video..... sigh .....
Its all your fault!! ;)
@@Shore1985 I'm sure one of the devs was laughing and twirling his mustache as he published the update.
@@TimsVariety Kinda devastated aswell. Just discovered last week how good the F84F is in ground RB alongside the JaPz2. And now they kinda messed it up
Whats the difference between CCIP and CCRP?
@@jakobc.2558 CCIP: continuously computed impact point
CCRP: continuously computed release point
CCRP requires you to designate or mark a target first, then if you hold the weapon release button, it will drop bombs at the correct time. CCIP will just show you where your munitions will land.
CCIP ends up being more useful in practice as it's easier and quicker to use, more versatile, and works for more weapons. CCRP requires a bit of setup.
I hate to tell you this but this aircraft literally just lost its CCIP, it only has CCRP now
What's the difference?
@@theaveragegamer7221 CCIP is much more simple and intuitive to use
Sadge
@@theaveragegamer7221
CCIP : 4:27
CCRP: ua-cam.com/video/RpV8RdPmmhQ/v-deo.html
@@theaveragegamer7221 CCIP (Constantly Computed Impact Point) tells you where the bomb/rocket is going to land, whereas CCRP (Constantly Computed Release Point) tells you when to release your ordinance in order for it to hit a predetermined spot.
The crosshairs showing you where a bomb will land in Arcade; that’s CCIP
“Kinda looks like a fish to me”
*laughs in F100*
Bad luck, they just removed the CCIP for bombs today and replaced it with the CCRP. Still great for grinding by bombing bases in air battles, but good luck using the CCRP for CAS.
Yeah, about to coment this.
Damn i unlocked it because of the ccip for realistic ground battles and now it lost it damn
ccrp is still useful, and if you can get used to it you can do a lot more damage with the a4e and the walleye x 500lb dumb bomb loadout than the bullpups
CCRP is a gift for those who want to do some high alt cas since most SPAAs cant reach over ~3km, downside: you need the bigger bombs since 250lbs bombs are too inaccurate to do damage on bigger targets and of course moving targets
What's ccip ccrp?
Comment after 1 year: If you use the short runway to land, you get an airspawn at 600 kph, so that's something to take into account.
One big negative thing about this one.... once it gets even a little ding, it looses immediately 50% of it's already abysmal energy retention and gain... furthermore, any asymmetrical damage to the wings, and it pretty much goes into an unrecoverable spin any time you try a harder turning maneuver over the bad wing.
My mans Tims really do be on his grind in the youtube game 🤝🐐
"For some reason the F-84F looks like a fish."
Okay so I'm not the only one that thinks that. I much more prefer the other variants of the F-84, those fuel tanks on the straight edge wings looks so good to me
The RF-84F is the best looking variant IMO. Hell, I'd go so far as to call it the best looking Korean war era jet.
F84 pilots be like: "Our countries' taxes paid for the entire runway, I'm going to use the entire runway, damn it."
Drouge chute
i have 3 of them and never used it before, but now i "mite" use it after this amazing review.
Gonna be honest, I hated this thing. Only flown the Italian one, long enough to spade it. Grew on me as an attacker, but that was when it had an air spawn. Taking this out against fighters is a pain, especially stock.
At least it got its full 6000lb bomb load, and a CCIP... sorry, CCRP. Gaijin giveth, and Gaijin taketh away.
As far as I'm aware, all the F-84s still have airspawns.
@@gopniksaurolophus6354 Oh, they do? I haven't played it in a while, so I just assumed they got caught in that bullshit.
@@ODST_Parker only rank VI+ attack aircraft lost their airspawns
Now 4000lb bomb load...
@@InveniosYT I just take incendiaries now. Still kills a base, but is way lighter.
To me, this thing was good as an attacker and ONLY as an attacker. Taking it out to bomb bases, and then using my bullets to destroy light pillboxes to bleed enemy tickets. That's the only way i recall ever winning with this plane
If played like a fast strategic bomber, it a actually works well
The removal of airspawn for tier 6 helped this thing out bigtime. Not a bad attacker you can bomb and not die. First one sp far
I personally enjoy this jet. Maybe it’s because I haven’t really used anything better but as someone climbing through the tiers this jet finally feels like more of a modern jet compared to what I’ve flown before. I’ll grind further into the tree and see how I feel later on tho.
Even if it's not a very good aircraft it's still very good looking
3:15 Might need a revisit soon since it lost the CCIP
Fucking hell I spent 600 thousand sl getting this thing for ground RB
Why is this plane only 0.3 under the Harrier. Like, it has absolutely nothing going for it at 9.0.
So basically its a 7.7 jet. A small clip to any part of your plane makes it lose all airspeed and maneuverability.
Without CCIP this plane is just less usefull.
True
i like how it rolls ... reminds me of the wulfi ... very snappy ... good headache for someone on your tail
F-84s are in general very lacklustre to me, specially now that this one is missing CCIP. The early variants have BR on their side, this one I'll leave to the enthusiasts.
Now they don’t have airspawn ):
according to the ingame tooltips and the war thunder wiki the f-84f is able to use CCIP for rockets. sadly its not :(
listening to Sympathy For The Devil will increase your success at bombing
They have a ballistic computer!? I just finished spading the US one never knowing that.
It’s gone now
so you can now not see the sight were you see were the bombs drop anymore
it´s not plain bad to maneuver man ... Me262 is !!! and this plane is still a huge step up from it
Hey Tim, just wanted to let you know some of your thumbnails are a bit of a hard read on mobile. I’d recommend to do screenshots that might show the silhouette of the aircraft better? I’d also recommended a shot that’s maybe a bit more close up- not saying to copy spookston but his more close up thumbnails are definitely easier to read visually. Maybe a good middle ground? Edit: your F7F thumbnail and SU-22 thumbnail are both great
the ccip get removed, it now hs ccrp. just unlocked this for 1day, used the ccip, now its gone. so sad
Well done!
I can see the fish.
I have a small bias to this plane. My state Air guard had one and its sitting at a museum at Ankeny airport just waiting to be restored. I plan on trying too later in life.
Iowa?
@@XMJ3904 yea. Ankeny. I'd love to get a way to fund for a restore project
@@cwb7143Nice, I'm from cedar rapids.
Would be neat to restore, who owns it currently?
@@XMJ3904 a small museum that's on the airport. I think last I heard the engine that was in it is currently in a still flight airworthy aircraft in Kansas. I could be wrong
@@cwb7143 super outta blue reply, apparently we have one here too. It's in pretty bad shape and is exposed to the elements sadly.
I have a question are the free fall characteristics of its napalm bombs are wrong? I did a high altitude CCRP drop on a base with them and so had be almost on top of the base and the bombs immediately lost forward velocity and fell straight down flopping like a fish as the they went down. I would think a bomb weighing close to the same as a 500lb would fall differently
Pls f-100
about to unlock this thing after having nothing else to research. seems pretty fast.
Also, after watching, I notice that you have the same texture glitches as I do. I thought it was just my pc that had a vram leak (watched my swapfile while playing war thunder).
The best way to play is thing is to play something else
I regret not buying the french premium version before it was removed (to go to Israel)
Why did they nerf it :(
well now CCIP is gone so it basicly just a simulator grinder
How do I use the ccip in realistic battles?
it doesnt get an airspawn for the french....
Israeli premium F 84 has no ballistic computer.
bomb and rocket CCIP are taken away from this plane
it got replaced with CCRP
so just funky CCIP
I hate this plane.
am mad cause right after i spend g e to unlock it and its bombs gajin remove the ccip making it useless in ground rb thanks gajin
If anyone has any tips for using the F104A and how to deal with missiles in early missile thunder that would be spectacular. I am new to topish tier and I just got the F104A… do I just suffer?
Just roll to one side and if the missiles follows you roll to the other side.
You need to get out of the missiles seeker FOV or overload its msximum G tolerance.
If you later get flares on other planes, always shut afterburner down and fly in a way that puts the flares directly in front of the missiles seeker while you getting away from that area.
The missile wants a nice hot target and if you just drop flares in a straight line while flying it often wont change targets.
But even if you no all this and can evade every missile in the game when you are fast enough without flares, you will get killed because players launch them at you when you aren't aware of enemies.
That is just how it is.
Good luck and don't be bothered, a kill ratio of 0,25 to 1 is very common for the first jet.
The vulcan is great, don't upgrade gun for now and spray with it in head ons when the enemy is about 2,5 km away.
Spray 1 second and break of.
Repeat - you have a lot of ammo.
f104a and c have been powercrept, which basically means that plane was good when it was added to the game at 9.7. now its 10.0 and the game has changed so you shouldnt take it out anymore. if you have to i would say play it as a support plane and if you get a missile on you, you need to be going around mach 1 and learn how to outroll missiles. even 30g missiles can be dodged if you learn to roll.
edit: when evading missiles you need to cut your afterburner or you will have no chance.
@@mtxdp4392 They should just delete or at least fold the two US F-104s.
At 0.3 higher you can get 4 9Js instead of 2 9Bs and flares. Insane.
If you have F-104 in winnie puhs tree then the F-5A needs that much of a grind compared to F-5E.
Or just buy a A-5C 🙃
@@majo3488 as someone whos grinded out 7 of the air trees i can say air rb is broken beyond repair so i dont play it anymore. i would like for them to add more loadout options for the f104a/c so i could use them in my ground rb lineup
you need to plare arb to grind at all if you tray a ngrind this thin grb you never get any were
F-84F shood not be at its tear at all its a joke ge you way it will save your time
There is no ccip for bombs or rockets
Yeah, they patched the plane literally like a week after I posted this review .... :-\