Graves felt like one of the most genuine characters in the entire thing to me. That whole "You know I love that shit!" line was so perfectly delivered.
As a veteran, Graves is one of the only characters who feels like a true charismatic military officer. Absolutely my favorite character from the entire COD series because of how realistic and likeable he is (pre-betrayal).
Graves was really well done. It makes you wish he didn’t betray the team, and the fact that he doesn’t want any of it is shown really well. He didn’t want to betray the team but Sheperd paid them and he had to save his reputation
@@trashcompactorYT i say that was in character for him. I still liked him as a villain. He and shadow company doesn't want to betray the protagonists. But at the end of the day he's a ruthless mercenary that cares about profit and burying his screw up by any means including civilian massacre and turning on protagonists. A pretty good villain imo. The writers tried to get people to hate him. But people still liked him as a villain. Also what's your point? Yeah he did terrible things but he's a fictional character. People can like fictional characters who do terrible things. People can like villains.
I loved Phillip Graves, he takes care of his men and he is brutal with anyone who stands in his way. His ultimate goal is to find and destroy the stolen missiles at any cost and clear his/Sheperd's own mess.
@@dmann5938 Like I said, Shadow Company was responsible for the failed black ops. These guys where responsible for loosing 3 american missiles in the hands of terrorists. There is nothing different that a PMC in their shoes wouldn't do to cover that problem.
@@Deathmare235 I can only see this happening if he’s only shortly included in the story and has a moment of self sacrifice. It’s hard to redeem a character who killed countless of innocent civilians when he could’ve sticked to his guns like the rest of 141 did
@@jacobashe6902 i found out after i finished the game that he was also the voice actor for rafe but instantly when graves character was introduced he gave me villain vibes and it must’ve been because of his memorable voice from uncharted 4
The first hint of his betrayal was when they they together carried out the mission on the ship and in the end when Graves congratulates them. Notice his eyes and expressions
The MW reboot(s) really surprised me with how TV-like they are. The cutscenes/movies look like they're from any action thriller show, and the dialogue feels like actual banter between actual human beings (more specifically, trigger-puller operators).
I like Graves a lot. He has this energy that when you're on his side. He'll be the best brother in arms you have. Too bad he is a Mercenary and strictly follows orders like a true soldier with the one giving the order is a prick of unimaginable proportions. Wish we could see more of him.
@@purposly Not really the guy just seized an entire military base and arrested mexican special forces Now it is a private millitary but what makes You think the commander is gonna do Just walk away?
@@purposly there was no way soap and ghost were going to walk away. I like graves but at the end of the day he's a ruthless mercenary willing to whatever necessary to make profit and cover his mistakes. Including turning on allies and massacring civilians.
18:11 It's brief, but I like how they humanize Shadow Company a little bit by instead of screaming at the kid, or worse, killing him along with the rest of those getting executed, Graves orders one of his men to get the kid out of sight so he doesn’t have to witness the horror. One of the mercs even gently tries to calm the kid down. 19:40 Another good example is the mercs being total dude-bros where they're "oo-rah" is instead literally just "yup-yup" and fist bumping each other. Graves to me, at the end of the day, felt less like an evil villain and more like someone acting in his own selfish interests. He doesn’t kill civilians, gives 141 a chance to peacefully walk away, and clearly cares about his own men. I could see him getting a redemption arc in the next game if he’s still alive.
The devs really didn't know how much we would like this character or they wouldn't have killed him off so quick. He's so stereotypically American, but in the most bad ass way. Add some great charisma and him commanding a group of U.S mercenary vets and you have one of the most likeable and interesting characters in Call of Duty. They need to bring him back.
Graves makes it clear that he doesn't want to harm anyone, he just wants them to walk away peacefully and let that be the end of it. Says a lot about his character, he doesn't want to start unnecessary fights. They really should have kept him as an ally and protagonist. It felt too cliche to have Shadow Company as the villains again.
@@mzov_1724 You hear graves when you go through the Town that he tells Shadow Company that they are in a Hostile Town that supports the Cartel and to treat everyone as a threat.
Now I kinda wonder why they didn't have a character like Graves in the original MW2. He seems like a good antagonist to gain some of Shepards craziness
Philip gave shadow company a voice along with the shadow merc you play as in the flashback. They gave us a deeper look at shadow company, how they act how they operate and especially how Shepard used them as his personal TF.
Not too sure, but in MW2 we got lots of close up with Sheperd himself which I saw as a total different dynamics. He was a direct commander of the player, here with Laswel and Graves and even Ghost still alive we have more distance from this Sheperd. So unlike which, in just one game, that character was complete while this one isn't. Also that Sheperd was on a path of revenge while the current one is about his own skin.
Graves was so damn cool. Loved his attitude and humor throughout the game. And I really like how he called Soap and Ghost “brother” even after he betrayed them. It showed that he really liked them, but he was loyal to the man who paid him. Graves cared about his men, and was ruthless to his enemies. “Hook, line, and fuckin’ sinker! You know I love that shit Shadows!” “Yup yup!”
I’m all for a Graves redemption arc, let’s not forget it was Shepherd’s bad Intel and refusal to call in air support that got Shadow Company into this mess in the first place.
Dude, Graves seemed to me easily top 3 of the best characters in the game, I really hope that for some reason he has not died, as well as Alex who did not die in the explosion of mw2019. thanks for this video AFGuidesHD
@@jfraser820 I mean I Guess but Shadow company was already in the old modern warfare They were bland so this new one is much cooler But It's a private millitary I wasn't expecting Graves to give much of a shit to 141 It's all about business not friendship they didn't have much to offer to him. Wether it's my weird dislike for a PMC in videogames or the pretty obvious betrayal I'm not sure
I think this is one of the best campaigns in COD history because how creative Infinity Ward was with every mission putting us in new scenarios and not just mindless shooting even if the game felt kinda short . Only problem with the story was that you can see the obvious betrayal a mile away , they could have made Graves a third playable character and gave player a choice in decision making of being a Mercenary and choose between the trust of your allies or what's best for business in given critical situations . That could have given the campaign more length and replaybility but fuuuck...these days AAA developers are not that creative are they?
I mean playing off the original MW2 and what the OG shadow company and shepherd does to you, I was not surprised for a betrayal, but I wish they took the story in a different direction. Then again, according to Machiavelli, you really can’t trust mercenaries to begin with as they aren’t reliable, are more concerned with money and may back out when they are concerned with their riches.
I love this games campaign and I still find it pretty realistic/convincing how he at least gave them a chance to retire and move on with their lives after this. Makes it all the more believable and heart breaking, because they could’ve walked away and spared themselves the trouble, but at the cost of saving his men. Just how shepherd was willing to go all out to save his reputation on losing the missiles even going as far to order the executions of innocents, we see a lot of that in the real modern world. This modern warfare series really does put the characters in some hard realistic scenarios with tough calls and consequences for either sides of decisions. Even shepherd did this with making captain price look hypocritical “we get dirty so the world stays clean” “sometimes you got to do bad in order to do some good” kinda sucks being on the other end of the baton eh?
Hated how this game's writing make TF141 look like impulsive amateurs... special operator forces starting a war against eachother over that? It just makes me root for Graves, the 'bad' guy.
Subtleties like these make it obvious that he is involved if he is avoiding who the missiles are from. Why ignore who sent them, that would be useful unless you're involved or the cause. Love the hints for newer players
I was thinking to myself at the oil rig "I really like this character... I wonder if he'll betray us" 5 seconds later "This base is mine now, lol" *Shadow team goes bbrrrrr* That being said, I wouldn't think he's dead. We never see his body and I think he doesn't get the screen time he deserves
Something I just noticed during the Hassan interrogation; when he asks Graves where the missiles they stole were going, Graves dodges the question and Shepherd tries to change the subject, saying he “doesn’t care where they came from”. We don’t know it yet at this point in the story, but Graves and Shepherd both know that Hassan having the missiles to begin with is their fault, and they want to keep it a secret.
Yes. I liked him as a cocky protagonist and thought his betrayal/takeover (at Shepard's orders) was a little abrupt. And realistically I don't see how the Mexican government would allow a foreign PMC to take over one of their bases in the first place. CoD logic I guess.
knowing what Shadow Company did in modern warfare 2 it was fully expected Graves would betray ghost and task force 141 in here. they were highly trained mercs hired by general shepherd to be his own little task force. since Shepherd was a military general. there were laws in place for certain. things you can and cannot do. that's why he went rogue. because his mercenaries can do things for him. now both modern warfare 2,s have a different story. general shepherd started shadow Company to kill Makarov and get revenge for what he did. he wanted to be the hero that stopped Makarov and ww3. that's why he turned on ghost and roach during loose ends in the original. shepherd was mad about Makarov detonating the nukes in cod 4. now this Sheppard voiced by the legendary transformers general. Glenn morshower and also the OG overlord in MW2. his character is mad because he let down his men to cover himself because of the failed delivery. since the Russian pmcs took the missiles and gave them to Hassan. shadow Company is a tactical group of highly trained mercs working for Sheppard. they usually wear all black tact gear with advanced weaponry. riot shields, blacked out vehicles. even regular military humvees. they all carry walkie talkies and are in private smaller squads. they commit war crimes too.
When the trailer came out with general shepherd’s voice I knew that the character behind it was the same from the movie “Transformers” but I totally forgot about another fact that this wasn’t his first time 😅
i think its a waste to just kill the character like that.... dudes great and i hope he comes back in the next game.. would love to have an actual fight when we meet him and sheperd
@@JJempire04 I dunno. I'm just saying they finally made a likeable but ORIGINAL character and immediately killed him. But he might not be dead. Just like Alex and most games, if you don't see them die, they probably aren't dead. We never had evidence that he was in the tank.
Hmmm it's weird cause specgru has Shadow Company operators, as well as the ai soldiers being shadow company. Korvac is the Russian pmcs from the campaign along with AQ soldiers as operators and ai soldiers. Although most of the operators aside from 141 are mercs I think
@Michael Hess idc what y'all think I couldn't do the mission anyways, I just skipped to the Chicago part... And his death was underwhelming, he's probably still alive since we didn't really see him die
"DO NOT SPEAK HIS NAME" scared tf outta me when I first played. amazing acting. when you load in the game it says "sweat and tears went into this game" and I believe it
Some say shepherd in this universe is less charismatic than shepherd in the original universe. But it gives me chills when he said "where the missile was coming from doesnt matter". Was a hint of himself turning soon imo.
Coincidentally,in Uncharted 4,Rafe hired a PMC called Shoreline in order to locate the treasure and provide security for him.In MW2,Rafe's actor Warren Kole voices the guy who basically leads a PMC.
I don’t believe graves is dead because his “death” in the campaign was a little underwhelming also we only saw the tank explode much like how Alex blew up in the building but survived I think they’ll want him as a multiplayer operator you can choose because he’s popular and therefore putting him in the warzone lore
@@tuckertalkztv3602 or he heard about the C4 from the conversation with Soap, so he might secretly abandon the tank and watch it explode in the distance.
Ghost sounds like an older version of his voice from the original MW2 even though he is voiced by a different voice actor but his voice sounds similar.
Playing this on veteran when he has a tank dying constantly hearing him say “THAT UNIFORM WAS A LIMITATION I SHED THAT SKIN” made me go mentally insane
I don't think Graves is a terrible guy. I just think he was taking orders from a terrible guy. He's all about completing the mission, but he does care deeply for his team, so he's not really all for money or power. 19:55 You can tell how concerned he was when his men were in danger and requested support for them from Shepard. Would've love to explore of his background story as well.
I don't see how he is the bad guy. The missiles were Sheppard's fault, he put himself on the ground with his men and destroyed the second missile, he checked on Alejandro after it blew up, he detains the mexican special forces instead of killing them because of a possible connection to el sin nombre which makes sense considering how many mexican LEO are in the cartels pockets. He gives Soap, Ghost and Alejandro a chance to walk away and could've easily finished off Soap but doesn't and kills corrupt cops in the city, only targeting the main characters after the fire fight at the gate, did I miss something ?
he's the bad guy because the writers decided he was and so they made him kill a bunch of civilians so the dumb audience could really tell they were the bad guys. [We'll just forget about the bit where the good guys kill civilians tho in the Borderline mission]
The base wasn’t filled with Mexican Nationals other than the Los Vaqueros, who are not corrupt and fight against corruption. His commandeering of the base was aggressive.
@@AFGuidesHD Despite the civilians not deserving it and just wanting to protect themselves, they shot first and endangered capturing Hassan, someone who couple kill thousands, even millions in a click of a button.
He still detained Alejandro’s men. He says they can walk away, but did he really think acting like a dick and being snarky about capturing Allie’s was gonna end any way beyond a gun fight? It doesn’t help that he doesn’t even try to de escalate the situation. He just says “this is my base now, fuck off.” Doesn’t give any explanation, and when things get frisky he immediately goes for intimidation. Lastly, he’s very patronizing during his boss battle. Doesn’t seem remorseful for having to kill Soap and mocks Rudy. Loved him right until his betrayal though.
Graves is an absolute unit and seems to be an effective leader. It’s a damn shame that he turns on you but the best villains make you wish they are on your side. I’d have a beer with him provided an opportunity. I wouldn’t mind seeing a Shadow Company DLC expansion for the campaign. I’d imagine they and Shepherd have a long history filled with potential content. Maybe as a lead up to knowing more about the chase against Makarov. Looking forward to Sandman and/or Alex returning for MW3 in 2024/25.
Part of me feels like he's still alive and that tank was controlled remotely. I think they would've done something a little extra with him if he was really dead. Plus the flight attendant in the post credit scene kinda looks and sounds like him.
I kinda wish they made him the character that was supposed to betray TF141 through Shepard orders but he doesn’t go through with it and becomes an enemy to Shadow company
Shadow company has a lot of mercs. If Graves was a founding member/own the company I can see Shepard trying to have him replaced by one of his money hungry lieutenants who sold him out. Mercs become mercs either because they couldn’t leave the military life behind, for the money or it’s all they really know. In a profession that the only morals are that of the dollar bill, trust is a much more valued commodity. Trust is what with your men/your commander is what separates you as a comrade in arms from a expendable like a hand grenade. Hearing a commander like Graves got wasted by one of the LTs and took over would have at least made several squads or platoon’s worth of men leave if Shadow Company is a battalion sized asset. Greaves would have had men on his side to jump ship immediately and more on the inside willing to work with him.
His betrayal hits almost as hard as Shepards in the original MW2. Especially since Graves actually fights alongside us and seems to have a sort of trust with Ghost and Soap, only to show his true colors. Shepherd was always in the background giving orders, so the shock wasn’t in relation to him, it was the shooting of Roach and Ghost. In this case, the shock comes from Graves seeming like a trustworthy guy but in reality he was the worst type of mercenary.
never caught this one before “you have ten seconds before i show you the difference between military and me” cold af bro. Him and Ghost are such badasses
[The "betrayal" scene in a sane world] Graves "General Shepard wants us to take over the Hassan operation." Price "I don't like it, but okay, it's his call." *roll credits*
What makes it even better is that it doesn’t turn until he mentions Shepard’s involvement in the situation. He betrays them well before that but only when he confirms Shepard is behind this does he become an enemy.
Nothing like a handsome, charismatic asshole with memorable voice lines to sway that meter from villain to thinking he's actually somewhat one of the good guys. Really can sell the world a lie, so long as it comes in a pretty package.
@Korvo's Expedition lol. You never see him getting into the tank. And the entire conversation hes having with Soap it never even once indicates he's inside. Explosion, no body, just the other guy who pops up from inside the tank... You can't be that gullable but hey, just an opinion.
I love myself a loveable villain. Probably my second favorite character in the game after Alejandro and that cartel mommy Valeria. Love his chaotic chill mannerisms and cynicism. Not that I support him, I just love how his brutality and hostility to whoever stands on his way is done. So far "Don't do that. Don't. Do. That." is my favorite line, of all the things he said.
Your men have been... [smacks lips] ... detained
No you, you detained bae😗💕
CABRON!!
I’ll *detain* you
I’m joking
@@ssww3 I can fix her
GRAVES WHAT THE F*CK?!
Graves felt like one of the most genuine characters in the entire thing to me. That whole "You know I love that shit!" line was so perfectly delivered.
that line made his character for me i fuckin loved how he said it
Awesome actor with great line delivery.
That line sold me too
Timestamp?
@@cupcakemcsparklebutt9051 2:35
Kudos to the voice actor. He made Graves character alive
he also played rafe in uncharted 4.. Extremely talented actor
Warren Kole.
For what i see you don't know his name is Warren Kole and he participated in various TV shows and he even played Rafe Adler in Uncharted 4
he is the original voice though.
He was voiced by the same guy who voiced Rafe Adler, one of my favorite video game antagonists. Made his character all the better.
As a veteran, Graves is one of the only characters who feels like a true charismatic military officer. Absolutely my favorite character from the entire COD series because of how realistic and likeable he is (pre-betrayal).
Not to mention that he has thousands of men it his disposal. “You fuck with The Shadow Company you’ll see what happens.”
Yeah he is the typical man discouraged by the army who became a mercenary
Graves is definitely in my top 3 favorite CoD characters in the entire series. The actor who portrayed him did a fantastic job.
@@GunmanNeek Yeah he plays a good villain he also did the main dude from Uncharted 4
Can’t spell lost without LT dude switched up like a complete goofball
Graves was really well done. It makes you wish he didn’t betray the team, and the fact that he doesn’t want any of it is shown really well. He didn’t want to betray the team but Sheperd paid them and he had to save his reputation
What? He literally said "I admire your base. So I'm taking it." lol
and then he talks shit to you during the entire boss battle with him
@@trashcompactorYT that was a sloppy attempt from the developers to make you hate him literally just before the end, but it didn’t work well enough
Or just Graves acting strong knowing his men are right there
@@whitezombie10 bro he went on a killing spree and murdered basically a whole town lmao
@@trashcompactorYT i say that was in character for him. I still liked him as a villain.
He and shadow company doesn't want to betray the protagonists. But at the end of the day he's a ruthless mercenary that cares about profit and burying his screw up by any means including civilian massacre and turning on protagonists.
A pretty good villain imo. The writers tried to get people to hate him. But people still liked him as a villain.
Also what's your point? Yeah he did terrible things but he's a fictional character. People can like fictional characters who do terrible things. People can like villains.
I loved Phillip Graves, he takes care of his men and he is brutal with anyone who stands in his way. His ultimate goal is to find and destroy the stolen missiles at any cost and clear his/Sheperd's own mess.
Man I was starting to like him, until the betrayal and killing civilians like BRUH
@@dmann5938 Like I said, Shadow Company was responsible for the failed black ops. These guys where responsible for loosing 3 american missiles in the hands of terrorists. There is nothing different that a PMC in their shoes wouldn't do to cover that problem.
@@dmann5938 maybe they’ll redeem him by bringing him back and joining the 141 to have revenge in Shepherd
@@jzuany
Yeah, makes sense on a pragmatic level, but this is a severe war crime. Hassan was right, its not much different than the terrorists.
@@Deathmare235 I can only see this happening if he’s only shortly included in the story and has a moment of self sacrifice. It’s hard to redeem a character who killed countless of innocent civilians when he could’ve sticked to his guns like the rest of 141 did
If any of you were wondering why his voice sounds so familiar, that is because he also voice acted as Rafe in Uncharted 4
I knew that. I’m not surprised too because Rafe was our alley temporarily and so was Graves and they both give the protagonist the option to walk away
Warren Kole
@@jacobashe6902 i found out after i finished the game that he was also the voice actor for rafe but instantly when graves character was introduced he gave me villain vibes and it must’ve been because of his memorable voice from uncharted 4
@@ProdLilPopI I wish they kept him as a good guy
Also plays Agent David Siegel in season 5 of white collar
I can't be the only one who thinks Phillip Graves is a badass name, Literally sounds like "Fill up graves".
great observation, would be greater if Diego didn't already point that out
Having the last name graves would probably bring the coolest thing ever
Or Phil Graves - fill graves
Hellyeah, Man!
Bro gives me Fix it Felix vibes
I really liked this character, it's a shame that he betrayed us.
Its all just a misunderstanding
I like his character more than the other new characters from this game lol
I mean,just following orders
The first hint of his betrayal was when they they together carried out the mission on the ship and in the end when Graves congratulates them. Notice his eyes and expressions
You have to trust someone to be betrayed… I never did.
I just absolutely love the facial expressions, man. It's just so amazing what technology can do these days
16:18 this face just makes Graves look like the worlds most tactical fuckboy
@@Octi-ku4yf I ain’t gay but
The MW reboot(s) really surprised me with how TV-like they are. The cutscenes/movies look like they're from any action thriller show, and the dialogue feels like actual banter between actual human beings (more specifically, trigger-puller operators).
@@reedified6514 I ain't bisexual, but
@@wildman7220 I ain't straight but
14:32 that high five and bro hug made me believe that maybe there’s no betrayal this time 😢
He checked on Alejandro too
I like Graves a lot. He has this energy that when you're on his side. He'll be the best brother in arms you have. Too bad he is a Mercenary and strictly follows orders like a true soldier with the one giving the order is a prick of unimaginable proportions.
Wish we could see more of him.
He said to walk away, they forced his hand. We will see more, he was killed off screen, definitely coming back
@@purposly Not really the guy just seized an entire military base and arrested mexican special forces
Now it is a private millitary but what makes You think the commander is gonna do
Just walk away?
@@Octi-ku4yf Yeah, once they took Alejandro's men, it was only ever going to end one way.
@@purposly there was no way soap and ghost were going to walk away.
I like graves but at the end of the day he's a ruthless mercenary willing to whatever necessary to make profit and cover his mistakes. Including turning on allies and massacring civilians.
I hope he'll be back for MW3
2:15 “Use the 25mm to limit collateral.”
*FIRES HELLFIRE MISSILE INSTEAD*
**25 Mike-Mike :D
@@dmann5938 25 mike-mike is 25mm. “Mike” is NATO phonetic for the letter “M” so 25 mike mike is “25MM” or 25 millimetre.
Double the firepower double the efficiency.
😂😂😂😂
“Make some music.”
18:11 It's brief, but I like how they humanize Shadow Company a little bit by instead of screaming at the kid, or worse, killing him along with the rest of those getting executed, Graves orders one of his men to get the kid out of sight so he doesn’t have to witness the horror. One of the mercs even gently tries to calm the kid down.
19:40 Another good example is the mercs being total dude-bros where they're "oo-rah" is instead literally just "yup-yup" and fist bumping each other.
Graves to me, at the end of the day, felt less like an evil villain and more like someone acting in his own selfish interests. He doesn’t kill civilians, gives 141 a chance to peacefully walk away, and clearly cares about his own men. I could see him getting a redemption arc in the next game if he’s still alive.
>if he's still alive
He's definitely still alive.
Remember if u didnt see him get killed then he didnt die just ask han fast n furious
“A good soldier follows orders.” - Somewhere at Bad Batch
@@ThisJWord This freaked me the fuck out because I’m actually watching season 1 RIGHT NOW. Lmfao.
I love that Graves' name turns red in the subtitles once it becomes absolutely clear that he's an enemy now. Good attention to detail.
11:50 "Let's have ourselves a gunfight!" Just the actions leading up to this made it the most cowboy type shit. Loved it.
The devs really didn't know how much we would like this character or they wouldn't have killed him off so quick. He's so stereotypically American, but in the most bad ass way. Add some great charisma and him commanding a group of U.S mercenary vets and you have one of the most likeable and interesting characters in Call of Duty. They need to bring him back.
Your wish is their command! 👍
Graves makes it clear that he doesn't want to harm anyone, he just wants them to walk away peacefully and let that be the end of it. Says a lot about his character, he doesn't want to start unnecessary fights. They really should have kept him as an ally and protagonist. It felt too cliche to have Shadow Company as the villains again.
He'll be back
He doesn't want to fight soap and the people he befriended, but he's completely fine killing civvies
Should’ve led a splinter faction that stayed good
@@Deathmare235 Indeed. Could have been the guys the 141 call when they need reinforcements.
@@mzov_1724 You hear graves when you go through the Town that he tells Shadow Company that they are in a Hostile Town that supports the Cartel and to treat everyone as a threat.
Now I kinda wonder why they didn't have a character like Graves in the original MW2. He seems like a good antagonist to gain some of Shepards craziness
Yeah shadow company kinda felt shoe horned in the original mw2 cus they only show up last second
I like how Shadow Company was genuinely afraid of TF141 during the mission where I was hiding in the city
phil definitely represents the wild side of shepherd from the original MW2, so in a sense he was always there
Philip gave shadow company a voice along with the shadow merc you play as in the flashback. They gave us a deeper look at shadow company, how they act how they operate and especially how Shepard used them as his personal TF.
Not too sure, but in MW2 we got lots of close up with Sheperd himself which I saw as a total different dynamics. He was a direct commander of the player, here with Laswel and Graves and even Ghost still alive we have more distance from this Sheperd. So unlike which, in just one game, that character was complete while this one isn't. Also that Sheperd was on a path of revenge while the current one is about his own skin.
Graves was so damn cool. Loved his attitude and humor throughout the game. And I really like how he called Soap and Ghost “brother” even after he betrayed them. It showed that he really liked them, but he was loyal to the man who paid him. Graves cared about his men, and was ruthless to his enemies.
“Hook, line, and fuckin’ sinker! You know I love that shit Shadows!”
“Yup yup!”
I’m all for a Graves redemption arc, let’s not forget it was Shepherd’s bad Intel and refusal to call in air support that got Shadow Company into this mess in the first place.
It was an illegal operation, air support simply didn’t exist
Redemption arc?
Graves is... Dead.
@@Tr4yst3r not until we see the body or the ashes in a jar.
@@kovacsnovak6745 true actually
@@whitezombie10 it should exist if you about to hand the enemy 3 balistic missiles
rules of antagonist death scenes: They're never dead when they don't show the body
*honestly even if they show the bodies and their not like burned or destroyed they can still pull the ‘they were just knocked out’*
I love his name, "fill up graves" lol
You sussybaka
Fill Graves and you have this from Diego
Don't... do that.
Don’t do that, no one needs to get hurt here
@@british35 Are you threatening us?
Graves was a man who was morally wrong but who also took care of his men. He's a very interesting character.
His moral wasn’t bad, he got dragged in betrayal
Morally wrong is not the term.
More or less a guy who follows orders and gets the job done regardless.
Just like Trump supporters
Politics...how tiresome...
The human face of evil.
Graves delivery is excellent in my opinion. 100% natural. Shame that he got switched off in the most boring way. Really want to see him again
I know right I hated the Tank mini boss
Yeah he actually felt like someone real not just some over the to characters.
im 100% sure he wasnt inside that tank
he's back
Aaand hes not killed
Dude, Graves seemed to me easily top 3 of the best characters in the game, I really hope that for some reason he has not died, as well as Alex who did not die in the explosion of mw2019.
thanks for this video AFGuidesHD
12:45 "C'mon, since when does Shepherd care about danger close?"
2:35 the moment i loved this character
facts also they did his facial expressions perfectly
Same. Solid acting and seemingly realistic for a guy of his skills and position.
My heart breaks when his name turned red.
For Real. I had high hopes for him.
He was such a handsome dude too. Guy was a hunk in every frame
Same
it's so underrated how COD subtitles use the name color to indicate friend and foe.
@@jfraser820
I mean I Guess but
Shadow company was already in the old modern warfare
They were bland so this new one is much cooler
But It's a private millitary I wasn't expecting Graves to give much of a shit to 141
It's all about business not friendship they didn't have much to offer to him.
Wether it's my weird dislike for a PMC in videogames or the pretty obvious betrayal I'm not sure
15:48 The moment his subtitles turn red.
Didn't notice that when I played it
They really hit a goldmine on the guy who plays Graves in this game. Loved his performance and I have a strong feeling he’s gonna be back
"You know I love that shit!" 😂 I love that part
That’s the best part!!
fr its the best part😂
Came here to see that
"Graves" such a badass name.
His first name is phillip and alejandro even referenced it as sounding like " filling graves "
@@herrsiemes7094 wasn’t that Diego in the interrogation scene with Nunez?
@@caincawkwell8092 Yes
@@herrsiemes7094 that's Diego from the Cartel
Fill Graves
I think this is one of the best campaigns in COD history because how creative Infinity Ward was with every mission putting us in new scenarios and not just mindless shooting even if the game felt kinda short . Only problem with the story was that you can see the obvious betrayal a mile away , they could have made Graves a third playable character and gave player a choice in decision making of being a Mercenary and choose between the trust of your allies or what's best for business in given critical situations . That could have given the campaign more length and replaybility but fuuuck...these days AAA developers are not that creative are they?
I mean playing off the original MW2 and what the OG shadow company and shepherd does to you, I was not surprised for a betrayal, but I wish they took the story in a different direction.
Then again, according to Machiavelli, you really can’t trust mercenaries to begin with as they aren’t reliable, are more concerned with money and may back out when they are concerned with their riches.
N o
at least 1/4 of the missions use the same gameplay scenarios from mw 2019 but with a slight twist. like the cctv sections
Dude you contradicted your own statement lmao
Ok, pay 100$ for the standard version and it’s yours
Can’t even edge to this, I just busted all over my screen.
Ummmmm
Shepherd “I don’t care where they got them from, I want to know the target” hits harder after finishing the campaign
“I want the missiles, I want the target and I want Hassan. You’ve got 10 seconds before I show you the difference between the military and me.”
I love this games campaign and I still find it pretty realistic/convincing how he at least gave them a chance to retire and move on with their lives after this. Makes it all the more believable and heart breaking, because they could’ve walked away and spared themselves the trouble, but at the cost of saving his men. Just how shepherd was willing to go all out to save his reputation on losing the missiles even going as far to order the executions of innocents, we see a lot of that in the real modern world. This modern warfare series really does put the characters in some hard realistic scenarios with tough calls and consequences for either sides of decisions. Even shepherd did this with making captain price look hypocritical “we get dirty so the world stays clean” “sometimes you got to do bad in order to do some good” kinda sucks being on the other end of the baton eh?
Hated how this game's writing make TF141 look like impulsive amateurs... special operator forces starting a war against eachother over that? It just makes me root for Graves, the 'bad' guy.
4:05 makes way more sense when you've finished the game
How the fuck was this 38 years ago?
That was so obvious
@@ReaperofValhalla that’s his name. LOL
So does 3:34 when you get to the mission "Alone."
Subtleties like these make it obvious that he is involved if he is avoiding who the missiles are from. Why ignore who sent them, that would be useful unless you're involved or the cause. Love the hints for newer players
"-Or i'm gonna show you the difference between the Military and me." has to be Graves' best line imo
I was thinking to myself at the oil rig "I really like this character... I wonder if he'll betray us" 5 seconds later "This base is mine now, lol" *Shadow team goes bbrrrrr*
That being said, I wouldn't think he's dead. We never see his body and I think he doesn't get the screen time he deserves
He was inside a tank that got blown up, The man was trapped inside a personal incinerator. He did not survive
@@PLANDerLinde99 Oh I know but I mean, so was Alex and he came out with one leg and a few scars
@@CrimsonKnyght Wait he's alive?
@@PLANDerLinde99 alex? Yeah, he was in the Warzone update
@@CrimsonKnyght Warzone isn't campaign canon
Something I just noticed during the Hassan interrogation; when he asks Graves where the missiles they stole were going, Graves dodges the question and Shepherd tries to change the subject, saying he “doesn’t care where they came from”.
We don’t know it yet at this point in the story, but Graves and Shepherd both know that Hassan having the missiles to begin with is their fault, and they want to keep it a secret.
They should've kept him as a good guy.
Into a bad guy is working with General Shepherd aka Gold Eagle
They really should have.
Yes. I liked him as a cocky protagonist and thought his betrayal/takeover (at Shepard's orders) was a little abrupt. And realistically I don't see how the Mexican government would allow a foreign PMC to take over one of their bases in the first place. CoD logic I guess.
Or not killed him.
@@RoninAM You can say that again.
"I admire it … so am takin it." Typical America right here 😂😂
It's why we're the best! 🤣
Jokes lol
knowing what Shadow Company did in modern warfare 2 it was fully expected Graves would betray ghost and task force 141 in here. they were highly trained mercs hired by general shepherd to be his own little task force. since Shepherd was a military general. there were laws in place for certain. things you can and cannot do. that's why he went rogue. because his mercenaries can do things for him.
now both modern warfare 2,s have a different story. general shepherd started shadow Company to kill Makarov and get revenge for what he did. he wanted to be the hero that stopped Makarov and ww3. that's why he turned on ghost and roach during loose ends in the original. shepherd was mad about Makarov detonating the nukes in cod 4.
now this Sheppard voiced by the legendary transformers general. Glenn morshower and also the OG overlord in MW2. his character is mad because he let down his men to cover himself because of the failed delivery. since the Russian pmcs took the missiles and gave them to Hassan.
shadow Company is a tactical group of highly trained mercs working for Sheppard. they usually wear all black tact gear with advanced weaponry. riot shields, blacked out vehicles. even regular military humvees. they all carry walkie talkies and are in private smaller squads. they commit war crimes too.
He wasn’t angry for letting down his men he just wanted to clear his mess and save his own skin
Sheperd didn’t care about his men. Graves did
@@whitezombie10 "Since when does Shepherd care about danger close"
-Random Ranger-
When the trailer came out with general shepherd’s voice I knew that the character behind it was the same from the movie “Transformers” but I totally forgot about another fact that this wasn’t his first time 😅
Hold on, what if Graves was never in the tank😂
true, we never saw him get in it lol
Of course
i think its a waste to just kill the character like that.... dudes great and i hope he comes back in the next game.. would love to have an actual fight when we meet him and sheperd
@W2L lmao
He survived and changed his name to Rafe Adler.
I found him to be one of the most satisfyingly well animated characters in the game.
His mocap facial expressions are on par with DMC5 mocap faces.
I liked Graves, he was such a unique character. I hope he isn't truly dead and comes back like Alex did as part of Korvac
You know, we never had any evidence he was IN the tank.
Or maybe even SpecGru he could join up with the 141 and want revenge on Shepherd maybe he designates Shadow Company as terrorists to clear his ass
@@williammortensen9170 could he be alive?
@@JJempire04 I dunno. I'm just saying they finally made a likeable but ORIGINAL character and immediately killed him. But he might not be dead. Just like Alex and most games, if you don't see them die, they probably aren't dead. We never had evidence that he was in the tank.
Hmmm it's weird cause specgru has Shadow Company operators, as well as the ai soldiers being shadow company. Korvac is the Russian pmcs from the campaign along with AQ soldiers as operators and ai soldiers. Although most of the operators aside from 141 are mercs I think
I started to love this guy but when he betrayed us it made me so mad we lost a good character 😢
This guy was so charismatic and handsome, I was very sad when he had to take him down :(
@Michael Hess remember how people wanted the Boston bombers to be forgiven for their terrorist attack for their looks? People are weird
@Michael Hess idc what y'all think I couldn't do the mission anyways, I just skipped to the Chicago part... And his death was underwhelming, he's probably still alive since we didn't really see him die
What tf him being handsome has to do with it
@@nopebaker4789 WAIT WHAT????
@@cedfiaenthusiast4240 he straight up died inside the tank when it blew up
"DO NOT SPEAK HIS NAME" scared tf outta me when I first played. amazing acting. when you load in the game it says "sweat and tears went into this game" and I believe it
They did him dirty without a proper death scene, compared to the other key villains in the series.
Or perhaps his unseen death means that he will return in MW3
Some say shepherd in this universe is less charismatic than shepherd in the original universe. But it gives me chills when he said "where the missile was coming from doesnt matter". Was a hint of himself turning soon imo.
Original shepherd was more badass and charismatic by a long shot graves was the speaker for shepherd in this reboot
They cutscenes are done so well it’s makes me think they should start making Films
Honestly, I would payed to watch in theaters
Especially because the storylines are good
Coincidentally,in Uncharted 4,Rafe hired a PMC called Shoreline in order to locate the treasure and provide security for him.In MW2,Rafe's actor Warren Kole voices the guy who basically leads a PMC.
"Come on, legend"
18:33 idk why but I just love this line. It always makes me chuckle
He was such a good character. Really liked him so I found it a shame he turned on us in the end
*HOOK LINE AND FUCKING SINKER!!! THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW I LOVE THAT SHIT!!!!*
Now there's a guy who loves his job
I don’t believe graves is dead because his “death” in the campaign was a little underwhelming also we only saw the tank explode much like how Alex blew up in the building but survived I think they’ll want him as a multiplayer operator you can choose because he’s popular and therefore putting him in the warzone lore
Dude the turret went into space. Do you know how much pressure you need to do something like that? The only thing left of him is meat and atoms
@@MageOtter27 maybe he wasn't in the tank to begin with
@@unnecessaryammorack I agree he seemed to be a tech savvy kinda guy though the campaign perhaps it’s a remote controlled tank ?
@@tuckertalkztv3602 or he heard about the C4 from the conversation with Soap, so he might secretly abandon the tank and watch it explode in the distance.
I dont think alex survived as canon, its just cinematic for promoting season skin.
Thanks!
Wish we got a full length on the ground mission as Graves or another Shadow Company merc, they're badass. Yup-yup!
Ghost sounds like an older version of his voice from the original MW2 even though he is voiced by a different voice actor but his voice sounds similar.
Playing this on veteran when he has a tank dying constantly hearing him say “THAT UNIFORM WAS A LIMITATION I SHED THAT SKIN” made me go mentally insane
Same as Pyrocynical when he was trying to finish the game on Veteran.
19:40 That's why Graves betrayed shepard! It all makes sense to me now!
Philip Graves? Fill up Graves. Shadow Company? Real close on the nose there.
sort of like "Robin Banks" lmao
I don't think Graves is a terrible guy. I just think he was taking orders from a terrible guy. He's all about completing the mission, but he does care deeply for his team, so he's not really all for money or power. 19:55 You can tell how concerned he was when his men were in danger and requested support for them from Shepard. Would've love to explore of his background story as well.
sadly shepherd refuse to help
I don't see how he is the bad guy. The missiles were Sheppard's fault, he put himself on the ground with his men and destroyed the second missile, he checked on Alejandro after it blew up, he detains the mexican special forces instead of killing them because of a possible connection to el sin nombre which makes sense considering how many mexican LEO are in the cartels pockets. He gives Soap, Ghost and Alejandro a chance to walk away and could've easily finished off Soap but doesn't and kills corrupt cops in the city, only targeting the main characters after the fire fight at the gate, did I miss something ?
he's the bad guy because the writers decided he was and so they made him kill a bunch of civilians so the dumb audience could really tell they were the bad guys.
[We'll just forget about the bit where the good guys kill civilians tho in the Borderline mission]
The base wasn’t filled with Mexican Nationals other than the Los Vaqueros, who are not corrupt and fight against corruption. His commandeering of the base was aggressive.
@@AFGuidesHD Despite the civilians not deserving it and just wanting to protect themselves, they shot first and endangered capturing Hassan, someone who couple kill thousands, even millions in a click of a button.
He still detained Alejandro’s men. He says they can walk away, but did he really think acting like a dick and being snarky about capturing Allie’s was gonna end any way beyond a gun fight? It doesn’t help that he doesn’t even try to de escalate the situation. He just says “this is my base now, fuck off.” Doesn’t give any explanation, and when things get frisky he immediately goes for intimidation. Lastly, he’s very patronizing during his boss battle. Doesn’t seem remorseful for having to kill Soap and mocks Rudy. Loved him right until his betrayal though.
Graves is an absolute unit and seems to be an effective leader. It’s a damn shame that he turns on you but the best villains make you wish they are on your side. I’d have a beer with him provided an opportunity.
I wouldn’t mind seeing a Shadow Company DLC expansion for the campaign. I’d imagine they and Shepherd have a long history filled with potential content. Maybe as a lead up to knowing more about the chase against Makarov.
Looking forward to Sandman and/or Alex returning for MW3 in 2024/25.
worst thing about betrayal is that it doesn't come from your enemy.
yup, that's why it's called betrayal
even your family, friend or your neighbor
they can be your enemy in unexpected ways
Umm. Isn’t that the point? Lol
But that
What?
Never have I seen a more southern PMC operator in my time in playing CoD and I love it
2:15 “use the 25 mm to limit collateral”
Immediately switches to the largest payload he has
Part of me feels like he's still alive and that tank was controlled remotely. I think they would've done something a little extra with him if he was really dead. Plus the flight attendant in the post credit scene kinda looks and sounds like him.
That was no Russian
Lmao different characters you helluva reaching
I kinda wish they made him the character that was supposed to betray TF141 through Shepard orders but he doesn’t go through with it and becomes an enemy to Shadow company
Shadow company has a lot of mercs. If Graves was a founding member/own the company I can see Shepard trying to have him replaced by one of his money hungry lieutenants who sold him out.
Mercs become mercs either because they couldn’t leave the military life behind, for the money or it’s all they really know. In a profession that the only morals are that of the dollar bill, trust is a much more valued commodity. Trust is what with your men/your commander is what separates you as a comrade in arms from a expendable like a hand grenade.
Hearing a commander like Graves got wasted by one of the LTs and took over would have at least made several squads or platoon’s worth of men leave if Shadow Company is a battalion sized asset. Greaves would have had men on his side to jump ship immediately and more on the inside willing to work with him.
I'm certain we will see so more cool characters come from the merc company.
Valeria didn’t give graves or ghost any shit cause she knows they both wouldn’t hesitate to put her down
His betrayal hits almost as hard as Shepards in the original MW2. Especially since Graves actually fights alongside us and seems to have a sort of trust with Ghost and Soap, only to show his true colors. Shepherd was always in the background giving orders, so the shock wasn’t in relation to him, it was the shooting of Roach and Ghost. In this case, the shock comes from Graves seeming like a trustworthy guy but in reality he was the worst type of mercenary.
never caught this one before “you have ten seconds before i show you the difference between military and me” cold af bro. Him and Ghost are such badasses
[The "betrayal" scene in a sane world]
Graves "General Shepard wants us to take over the Hassan operation."
Price "I don't like it, but okay, it's his call."
*roll credits*
The color of Graves' name changing from blue to red in 15:48 is a fun little attention to detail.
What makes it even better is that it doesn’t turn until he mentions Shepard’s involvement in the situation. He betrays them well before that but only when he confirms Shepard is behind this does he become an enemy.
Really wished to see more of this character, well written
Let’s celebrate boys because he’s alive and coming back
Shepard: “Graves is a dog with a bone and I suggest you don’t try and take it”
Soap: “woof woof mf”
I hope he be a playable operator
Wish granted!
2:13 "Use the 25 mike-mike to limit collateral"
*Sends a fucking nuke*
Nothing like a handsome, charismatic asshole with memorable voice lines to sway that meter from villain to thinking he's actually somewhat one of the good guys. Really can sell the world a lie, so long as it comes in a pretty package.
2:12
Graves: "Use 25 mike mike to limit collateral damage"
player: *LAUGHS IN HELLFIRE
I hope this guy ends up being a multiplayer operator cause I'd use him
Got you some good news
Interesting to note is that at the betrayal, graves didn’t shoot first, one of shadow company did
thanks mate
Pov:Afguides is Phillips son
POV: you don’t know what POV is
@@Was1Too point of view🤓🤓
That ain’t a pov, that’s a plot twist 💀
11:52 best line of the campaign.
No no no. Its either You know i love that shit! Or Get the fuck out of my eleevador 😡
Would’ve been great to see him as another villain in mw3
Ain't no way Graves is dead
@Korvo's Expedition lol. You never see him getting into the tank. And the entire conversation hes having with Soap it never even once indicates he's inside. Explosion, no body, just the other guy who pops up from inside the tank... You can't be that gullable but hey, just an opinion.
@Korvo's Expedition LOL. Save this thread. We will see. 🤣
@@JoeZed They definitely left the door open just enough to bring him back if they want to.
@Korvo's Expedition he isn’t dead it’s pretty obvious 😂😂😂
1 of the best line from Graves imo , "I dont make threats , I make guarantees" 🤣
The moment when the villain is cool badass and very likeable
You have to trust someone to be betrayed.
I never did.
-Price MW2
@@November1121 Soap trusted you{Yuri}, I thought I could too.
So he didn't trusted Yuri 100%
That's deep right there...
Hassan: You speak Arabic?
Graves: No
Hassan: Farsi?
Graves: ...no
That is how a villian is played. Make you love him like a brother. then, hate him when he betrays you...
My theory is that the tank was remotely controlled by Graves and he will be back in MW3
I love myself a loveable villain. Probably my second favorite character in the game after Alejandro and that cartel mommy Valeria. Love his chaotic chill mannerisms and cynicism. Not that I support him, I just love how his brutality and hostility to whoever stands on his way is done. So far "Don't do that. Don't. Do. That." is my favorite line, of all the things he said.
look how they massacred my boy. they turned a brutal but reasonable man that cares about his men and allies into a clown in a tank.
I realized he’s the same actor who played Rafe from Uncharted 4.
Honestly, that explains everything.
I knew his voice sounded familiar, I just couldn't figure out from where
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