Heeey, everybody! You asked me about HQ source files from my test and here they go: www.dropbox.com/sh/5hgq7ak8f6tyoy0/AACCWIeRk6FkzUGn5QmUvCr1a?dl=0 You'll get three masters of the first song, the screenshots for settings used, for those using Cubase/Nuendo - a complete session, so you can dive into the limiters and tweak them yourself, just remember to install trials if you don't have them! I also used YouLean Loudness Meter for matching loudness. Now you can hear I wasnt joking nor exaggerating. There IS a problem with this limiter and its low end handling, despite what a group of PA believers in one of the Facebook groups, led by Dirk himself, tell me. I left the group, after I've been personally attacked by the members of the group and my professionalism was questioned. Have a great, great day!
Until PA gives you an answer instead of just attacking you I won't be purchasing another one of their plugins. The answer is not in the mix, it's in the limiter.
The track is not clean on the other limiters either, the wave form is maxed out to start with, I can hear a bass rumble in the low with a bit of distortion on the track in general. Also the the right channel of the signal/waveform is wider as in louder so one side of the speaker will have more volume. True peak limiting and limiters can only do so much, your track is maxed out as it is. I've got this brainworx limiter and have had no problems with it whatsoever, it sounds open and transparent, certainly not like it's depicted in this video. Again, the track you are demoing is loud going into the limiter. Also your correlation meter is all over the place, so your stereo balance is jumping back and forth like crazy, this will also cause issues for a limiter and for mastering and for any club speakers. It's obvious when the rest of the track kicks in and the bass is subdued in the track, BX limiter sounds similar to the other limiters, certainly not worse than the other limiters. The first golden rule of feeding into a limiter is controlling the bass, any bass heavy material in general, is not great for limiting, that doesn't mean the bass can't be punchy and clear, but it is a huge misconception that bass has to be loud, through pure volume, and with mass of bass added. Any bass signal with cause a limiter and compressor to overreact, there are many tricks used to getting a bass or low frequency material to sit in the mix, yet be punchy and clear. ua-cam.com/video/oUUOGZjIsJQ/v-deo.html Watch this video, which clarify's how the bx limiter should be used, it does take a bit of getting used to, just like any other plugin, each have their own terms and controls. A final note about correlation metering: straight away you can see in this clip I have copied in, how a correlation meter should be functioning, ie the mix, the less it moves the better and the further to the right it is the better the stereo image and phase correlation and LOW end is in the mix, so not wobbling and wavering at great pace from side to side. Oh and, if you're going into the limiter with plus 6db of gain on top of all this, no wonder the limiter is struggling, which is what I see in this video. Other limiters may sound slightly better in this demo, having said all this, knowing how to use each limiter is obviously paramount, and calibrating the BX limiter needs a bit of awareness, something other plugins might not necessarily show. Set the input at zero or one db lower, the set the ceiling to the desired peak , so minus 2 or whatever suits the material and avoids clipping.
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I went to a mastering studio where they use monitors of Italian production (Rosso Fiorentino) for 17,000 euros and the difference between L2 and Bx is that the Bx sounds cleaner if used well. the bx should be used in the mastering phase only to smooth the peaks because if you raise the gain it sounds bad but if you use it with the gain at zero just to smooth the peaks it is much cleaner than the L2.
I don‘t have that issues with the bx tbh ^^‘ Its kinda the opposite for me. I had to stack multiple Pro-L‘s to get the same clarity as with the bx. I cannot tell u why tho.
Had you done a side to side comparison with Limitless and Elevate. I own Elevate and am wondering if DMG may be providing a bit more analog flavor - seeing that they are adding some slightly different controls - hmm.
Its criminally dismissed.... Why ? Like a PC vs Mac, Xbox vs Playstation.... Its all Fabfilter , Fabfilter or in the EDM thing.. Serum,. Serum ect ect.. Ive seen many FF Fanboys get full on, because their there "Precious" has a competitor thats better... Like the new Kirchhoff EQ.. "Yeh Its just as copy of FFPQ3" .LOL Also, Considering most people these days are "somewhat" mastering at home.. Because , you should never use a limiter on the master , when you send it to a mastering engineer. As for removing Peaks .. Of course,,, But as I do a large range of work, and when its not required to send it to my mastering guy (King Willy) , Elevate covers everything. Its bloody Voodoo Code.. After all , Up to 26 independent bands, Same for adaptive gain, Filters, Saturation.,.. ect.. And has then best Gain matching in any plug in ive ever used...Considering all its features..
I was so keen to buy a new bx limiter to beat my favorite PSP Xenon (and the L2 as a second choice for some project) .. but nope, didn't happened. Xenon, still the best one. I even haven't watched this review before. On the first day of the release of the BX L, I downloaded the demo immediately .. and said to myself. WHAT? This should be it? ... Today I've seen this video review here and I totally agree.
It's true! I was going to buy it but when I tested it against Ozone 9 and TDR Limiter 6 does not sound transparante at all. And when you increase the gain too much starts to compress like crazy and sounds like not hitting a brikwall but slamming into concrete.
Thank you for your videos. I am a new subscriber. I waited until the third video as I always do to add a sub. Each one has been excellent. Please keep them coming
Bx sounds like it's smoothing things too much and it sounds like it's dipping but it's not giving any punch. L2 is punchy and up front, but a little too clean for my liking. Limitless is like L2 but with a bit of smoothing like Bx but done right. I'm not sure who gave Bx those 5 star reviews but that's just not a good limiter when it artifacts like crazy at -7lufs with the low end. I can only suspect it came from the True Peak technology that shaves off a bunch of transients and smooths everything out but if that's the cost then theyr'e doing it wrong.
Srsly ...not a joke at all The FAST limiter from Focusrite ; ) . Even tho it uses the Sonible AI ; it has its own tweak options . Try that ; might you also be super impressed ?
Never had a problem with bx True Peak. It sounds clean and punchy on everything I've tried it on. Sometimes I prefer Ozone Maximizer on some material but only because the song lends itself to it not because of distortion. I think your songs have already been smashed with a limiter so the distortion is already in the file 🤷🏾
They don't know how to use a TP limiter. They think its a conventional limiter and a substitute for mixing. They ought to be embarrassed when they realize what it's used for.
thank you for the video, I am a huge fan of brainworx plugins, but I was still skeptical of their claims. I was wondering about how it would sound in comparison with what I already use (pro-l2 or the UAD precision limiter). Glad to see that you tested it out against pro-l2. Also, I don't mean to sound like a jackass, but I had to toggle a high pass filter on my computer speakers whenever you would speak lol... your voice was causing this rumbling in my room that was vert unsettling.
I find this so interesting. I am in the process of culling my entire UAD catalog. Some stuff I have been using for years. When I went to remove the UAD Precision Limiter, I could not believe how hard it was to find a comparable limiter that was as clean and transparent. I only use it for Heavy Bass, and Sub Drop Downers. Pro-L artifacted, everything from Waves, native Cubase plugins, Ozone Vintage Limiter. Seriously NOTHING was up to the task. I'm talking 20db+ reduction so that the volume on all frequencies remain consistent. The replacement I landed on to my absolute shock was the super lightweight KiloHearts Limiter!!! What the hell!?! All this time I had no idea this Precision limiter was so damn good. Crazy what you can discover when you put things to the test.
Dude! I read this comment and thought there's no way 'he must be hearing things or there's something off with his monitoring system' coz I had the kilohertz limiter and never took it seriously tbh but it just blew me away. It brought the mix forward and added clarity in the upper-mid-range making the vocal is much more present and consistent. Thanks for the heads up!
"Pro-L artifacted"? What preset did you use? To me, the Pro-L2 is very good. Before the Pro-L2, I used and have been dissatisfied by the FL Studio's limiter, iZotope Ozone & T-RackS. I've also tried Sonible's Smart:Limit, but I found it being worse than the Pro-L2.
@@Crossfire2003 so all I was doing was driving really low sub bass through it, pumping the input gain to get heavy reduction to keep the volume nice and even accross the different frequencies. I just clicked on all the algorithm settings. I was also shocked that nothing was as clean as the Precision Limiter. I'm not saying it's the best limiter out there for everything, but for a non colouring brick wall limiter, I couldn't find a match.
I like it, but it is a bit on the soft side, not perfect for every master but I've had some good results. If you set your limiter first, then make your other (EQ, etc) decisions second, you might have a slightly different result in a test, but it wouldn't be a shootout. Really interested in Limitless after this video.
PA ProAudioDSP DSM V3 with threshold on 2 to 6 db maximum on the spectral shaper with the limiter activated followed by the tc electronic md4 hd limiter from powercore on limiter threshold of -1db for peaks is the most clean smooth and hifi configuration i have ever hear i've tested a lot of workflow and it's the only one that get me a balanced sound, trust me try it man i wouldn't recommend you trash and keep it a secret from the industry, if you need help to configure it check me out.
Hello there ! Just curious... I have the Bx TPL version 1.1.1 Can't hear anything wrong here.... Have you tried the uptated version ? Has it been fixed ? Thanks !
Guys, thanks! It's really good to know that I'm not the only one to hear this and willing to criticize the product with too much marketing and no real game changing value!
thx man, I'm hooked up with your videos. what's your take against Nuendo's own limiter and have you checked this video on UA-cam yourself? I'm wanna make sure the difference is hearable on UA-cam .
Hi all, what do you think about Sonible smart:limit. Seems to be an alternative for Pro L 2. I don't know if it's as good as DMG Limitless.Does anyone have experience with smart:limit?
It's great, man! Limitless sounds incredibly punchy and loud, but Smart:limit is also there plus its learning functions and a saturation module are really amazing...
ive always had a weird perceptual thing with brainworx - every plugin that has M/S built-in would give me perceptual phase issues. about the distortion - BX XL V2 is a great plugin but has bad distortion on the lows as well. i did purchase the TRUE PEAK LIMITER by BX for my arsenal, however I did not hear the distortion you have here, I will look into it. TY
I am using it (True Peak) now for the first time, and it is working well. It started out sounding odd to me, until I fiddled with it a bit. PA has the pro audio dsp DSM V3, which is also amazing, on certain sources. I find that different plugins react differently on different tracks. Allahso, I demoed the "God Particle", and didn't like it, until I saw a tutorial on how to get the most out of it . . . This guy was saying how he puts it on his 2 Bus and Mixes Into it . . . as opposed to finishing a mix and slapping it on at the end, expecting something miraculous to happen . . . So, I will give the "God Particle" another try . . . I will actually just get it, as I am convinced that it will be useful, once I figure out how best to utilize it. (-;
Phew! I thought I was the only one who could hear how weird it sounds....don't get me wrong, I love Plugin Alliance and I own the vast majority of their products, plus I'm a MEGA subscriber, but this is just not up there with the rest of them....mind you, it will be EXTREMELY hard to beat Limitless and with all due respect there's a lot more than can be done with it than what's shown in this video, but I suppose you had to do a fair comparison so fair play! Thanks for doing this!
nice Test :-) I had the same Experience in Mastering Techno, Minimal and House with it ... so i totally agree with you .... this Bx isn't transparent further it is colouring in a bx way. To use it you need to mix into it other way all will sound bad...My result was that the Low End get squashed a bit the Music gets flat and you loosing all upfront ... Limitless is a Monster but i also prefer the IK Multimedia Stealth Limiter or Ozone 9 Maximizer for proposal .... But in my opinion the best Limiter and compressor you can get on the market is the Weiss DS1-MK3 collection.... Never had a cleaner and louder Master than with that ...
How do you like Stealth vs Ozone? I'm in the same genre and Ozone is doing well (IV mode is my favourite). Stealth is super cheap right now for $25. I'll test it but I would like to hear your opinion to. I heard Weiss - in wide Mode it's a monster! But I can't pay that much for a plugin right now.
@@DarkLightYT i bought already the stealth Limiter and in my opinion it is similar to the A.O.M. invisible Limiter... it has the same kind of Algorithm in my opinion and sounds the same... i don't like as much the harmonic section of it, but it is a good one and usable for different kinds. I use it already as Pre Limiter before the last one and it is very transparent in tight mode... also you can combine the stealth with the ozone maximizer at the end... let 2 Limiters do the work instead of 1 ... the slightly steps keeps the dynamic in your song and give you loudness... But all of that i think i tried many Limiters not all but a lot and all of them i tried except the Weiss and TC Electronic Brickwall ( i found out that only this both are honest ) has the same problem with True Peaks , they are not showing you what is happening in real and it is harder to find a honest Metering tool (also here i tried a hole lot of them) for measure the real time True Peak, cause this is the most important thing in the digital world if you want to get loud and clean without artifacts and unwanted distortion....
@@BelAnuRa Thanks for the reply! :) I'll test it as 2 limiters combo with Ozone. So far I had good results with Ozone but for very loud masters sometimes I'm getting occasional distortion so it's worth trying. Also, Ozone so far was very effective with True Peak. I'm 'maximizing' to -0.5dB peak and so far no tool showed me that audio goes beyond that. So 'good' that I have Stealth Limiter already installed with all the other T-racks plugins ;)
The bx sound horrible. It adds the typical bx sound, I absolutely don't like. It also alters the complete balance of the 2-track. Thank you. Btw this isn't controversial at all. It's just like it is saying. I want a DS1-MK3 now more than ever. At the moment KClip3, Faraday GHZ limiter, The Wall BOZ, Melda Limiter, Weiss MM1 are a good choice for me in certain combinations
@@FoliaSound hey, I didn't see that as a complete criticism of the whole company. We all know they are cool guys and they already did amazing stuff. I see this completely differenciated, referring to this plugin alone and hey...things are what they are and you said it on the base of your perception. Nothing controversial here imo.
Loving this channel. You are one entertaining guy. :) I also tried Limitless and was floored by it. Tried it several months ago, but then I was wondering why I would want that over the ozone maximizer, which I feel like is pretty darn clean. How loud do I need my tracks to be?
I had the same results you pointed out with the artifacts from this limiter. I found to my ears that the artifacts are less pronounced with the limiter set to Classic mode. Makes some sense since the manual claims that classic mode is "safer" and less aggressive sounding for things like EDM. Interesting though that the limiter is set to Modern mode by default. Do you have any opinion about this BX limiter vs the ToneBoosters Barricade 4 limiter?
Nope, I didn't test it, but I actually did more testing, using Limitless, A.O.C, Voxengo, Melda and other limiters. My next stop i Limitless, that's my best summary :)
Very interesting indeed. I used the bx true peak on the two most recent masters i did, and both clients complained that it sounded distroted and "fizzy". I'm glad someone else had the same opinion :-) Good job man!
I'll tell you more: I did some additional, extensive tests after publishing the video, on bx True Peak and some other limiters. Dirk's fans almost ate me alive on his fb group for criticizing the limiter, they were rejecting the reality, trying to prove I did the test wrong and I'm not a pro and all I can say that the hype about this quarter-ready, sluggish limiter - it's pure rubbish. They advertise it as clean sounding, not distorting the low end and these are just untrue statements, pretty easy to verify. Why are people defending it, why are they buying it? Why is this mastering guy advertising it? I don't know, but all this made me seriously reconsider my future with Plugin Alliance stuff. What I really need from their library is Unfiltered Audio stuff, the rest is not necessary for me. I'm not into semi-religious cults of any software. I'm a customer who wants to ask a question, send user feedbacks, I expect companies who get my money to answer my questions, instead of talking "you're sooo professional, Pawel :)", "while you're complaining, big names are using it" and endorsing personal attacks, which all comes from the owner of the company. This is beyond my belief, my standards of communications, this is just negative, toxic and passive-aggressive. It's a pure no go for me in the future, period. The good thing for me is that finally I tested more limiters: A.O.M. stuff, Voxengo stuff, Melda stuff, Newfangled, Softube/Weiss, BUTE, Nugen. My final thought is that DMG Limitless is absolutely stellar and best sounding to my ears, just on anything, starting from tech house tracks, through any pop genres, ending with smooth limiting of film scores. Solid 2nd place went to Softube/Weiss and Melda. Melda's GUIs and design philosophy are different than the others, a little bit more complex and engineer-like, but you can tweak their MB limiter for some absolutely stunning performance. DMG plugins demand a solid review from me, I'll write to the guys and see if they can grant me some NFR licenses, so I can dig deeper through them.
@@FoliaSound Hey, thanks for taking the time to answer in detail. I totally agree with you, ppl approaching stuff like a soccer game fandom is very annoying indeed, can't have a decent discussion with those types anyway, i personally wouldn't wast my time :p i'll definitely check out the DMG limiter, i also like the newfangled stuff so i'll check out their lineup too. Take care man, nice meeting u (Y)
@@FoliaSound I appreciate your review... the lack of a constructive feedback and the personal attacks from PA you’ve described are concerning and saddening. I got a few solid projects from the company (Knifonium plugin).. but overall, not all of them live up to the hype. 🤷🏼♂️
I gave it another go recently. There's a lot I don't understand about this plugin. The marketing hype before it was released was like a religious cult. Then the people (a person?) who market this plugin get really angry at people who criticize it. Of course the sound is often a matter of subjective opinion, but objectively everyone should notice straight away that this plugin couldn't be further away from sounding clean. I get that some people might enjoy how it sounds.
Though its not fair to compare... Becuase its WAY more than a Peak Limiter....... And costs Less is Newfangled Elevate.. Even the Bundle costs less, and includes modules from Elevate, But are designed for individual Tracks , Busses... And add extra Functions.. It has it all... Definitely takes a while to know how to get around it.... Maybe Its not as pretty , But it Blows all these Limiters Out of the water,.....and did I mention , Its not just as Mastering Limiter? To Add.. Will every one that posts on any audio thread, please PLEASE dont refer Fabfilter ProL2 as L2 !! Another company had L2 years ago.. And im sure many still use it. Add FFP, Or ProL2, more Pl2 ect ect.. Trust me, Its not just about knowing because PL2 was part of the shootout.... Im talking everywhere on the internet.
I think you may have did your settings on those others a bit more... And you're slamming the XL that's the difference with no ceiling.. Come onnnnnnn LOL
Hey man, great comparison! Do you use oversampling in the L2 usually? at 16 or 32x it makes a big difference. Another god one is Invisible Limiter G2 from AOM, also with high oversampling.
@@eprotz Pro-L2 is amazing anyway. I was considering Limitless for a while, but x16/x32 is actually good enough to stick to my Fab for now. Always looking to improve with better replacements, though. Cheers!
Didn't even reply to the facebook post and he usually reacts to everything. Great video. Marketing hype on this plugin was insane and I'm happy to see an honest test/review.
The reaction: after personally insulting our Folia guy here, Di*k will sell the artifacts as "character", as he did with all the aliasing issues with iron. Poor/lazy/cheap coding in PA for a couple of years now... All hype.
Pozdrowienia Pawel, niedawno poznalem twoj kanal i robisz swietna robote, tak trzymaj, zaslugujesz na duza publicznosc, wiecej subow, jesli konsekwentnie bedziesz dzialal z tematem, czeka cie na prawde swietlana przyszlosc na youtube :)
Makes me wonder, I see a lot of reaction like "I have the issue too" but there isn't a single review on the product page that addresses this problem. Why don't you all write it there so there is a chance for them to improve the plugin? Je it's like shouting in a box.
Oh, I did try on this "PA Positive Audiophiles" group on Facebook. Dirk and his fans almost ate me. This is a toxic company in general and I'm out using and reviewing any of their stuff :) My two exceptions ade Unfiltered Audio and Dmitry Sches and I wish them they stopped doing business with Dirk one day :)
In L2 You use LookAhead Full 5 ms means it slow the attack and also release time 300 ms but in BX_TP use use 1000 ms release Time its not honest Review the setting you use in Bx_TP 99.99 % mastering engineer not used
I tried many different settings and went for 400 ms release finally, because only then bx_TP was audible at all. I shared the source files and session via Dropbox and you can see there my test was proper and honest.
I actually avoid testing Plugin Alliance, like Dario from Mixbus TV. I once run into Dirk himself after my review of bx True Peak and, well, it wasn't a pleasant experience. I'm not looking for Dirk and PA fans running after me when I don't like something ;)
@@FoliaSound Gotcha, this is only the second bad review I have seen, the other claimed the bx ruined the stereo image compared to the tc electronic powercore brickwall limiter and the fabfilter and was not transparent,
Folia, Two things for you and all others reading: 1. Make sure you are using the VST3 version of the plugin if you are on a 64 bit system. I had my DAW (FL 20.7.3 64-bit) set to combine VST and VST3 plugins and apparently the VST version of bx_true_peak_Limiter v1.0 didn't function as expected. On my system the correlation meter and solo buttons didn't appear in the VST version, It kept on outputting levels above 0dbFS and audio was very distorted like it was broken. This may be a bug with v1.0 or it may actually be working with the wrong bit depth. HOWEVER, When I used the VST3 version the missing buttons appeared and the bx_true_peak limiter sounds better than all other limiters I own (16 and counting) including the ones you reviewed here. It also translates the best to all other platforms. 2. You need to understand that you don't use this the same way as a conventional limiter. You don't try to smash your mix to oblivion with it, you can use a compressor or one of the other oversampling limiters to get that sausage sound but then afterwards you use this for mastering to catch your inter sample peaks. The end result should be that you are barely seeing the gain reduction meters moving, probably 1-2 db max. You'll notice that the ceiling knob is logarithmic and 30% of it sets the ceiling above 2.5dB, there is a reason for this. Keep in mind, a true peak limiter is designed to ensure max compatibility between listening environments and not intended for use to improve deficiencies in your mix. FYSA, EVERY 3dB gain reduction is 50% of the source signal. Trying to shave 7dB off of a signal is actually asking it to output 21.1% of the original signal. It's really a fantastic tool when you use it correctly. In my unbiased opinion, the math in this plugin is a work of art and the Devs spent two years working on the algorithm according to their website, they deserve more support in order to keep great tools like this coming our way and they deserve a fair review. Please be more objective in your review. Cheers!
Why? The release times are the same, peak reduction and LUFS are consistent. Did you download my session from Dropbox? I was manipulating many parameters, trying different settings, finally went for 400 ms release and same peak cuts and ceilings. What's up then?
What in the crap are you talking about???? I hear the same distortion from all the limiters in the beginning of the track. Its not the Limiter. Its your MIX!!!!
Really, sir? Why then Pro-L2 and Limitless behave properly, without distorting anything on the very same material? :) Did you see the vid at all? My mix IS clean, I can assure you of that!
@@FoliaSound Cool, no bad intention taken lol. I've played around with the BX for about a week and a half and looked at all the new videos on it. You are the only one I have seen (including myself) with that particular issue. I would say test it for more than one day on more than one song. If you care to..if not screw it. Also, I listened to it 3 times on KRK Gen 5's. The Low end distorted some way on all three Limiters. May be youtube's fault. Don't know. Just saying what I heard.
Ok, man, I did the test on KS Digital C88 speakers :D These are quite a bit more precise than Rokit G3. If Rokits don't pass the low end distortion properly, grab your best headphones and listen again to the whole 4:53-5:25 (bx_TP) and then 7:30-7:42 (Limitless). These are the moments when you can clearly hear vast difference in low end. Sure, some algos by Pro-L2 and Limitless also distort the low end, but some are CLEAN. Seriously - take your headphones and check these excerpts. If you don't perceive the difference, check your hearing or throw away your monitors/headphones. My mix really is legit, not distorted. Cheers!
@@FoliaSound Why not put processed files up for download and take YT out of the equation. Doing any serious evaluation on YT, let alone criticizing people for not hearing what you're supposedly hearing in your studio is BS.
L-2 is a bit clean for me. Limitless is a big surprise, I think it's the most liked limiter I've heard. Trupe Peak is not good. The worst thing is that it casts doubts on the evaluations of the rest of the products in Plugin Alliance. Good job man!
Heeey, everybody! You asked me about HQ source files from my test and here they go: www.dropbox.com/sh/5hgq7ak8f6tyoy0/AACCWIeRk6FkzUGn5QmUvCr1a?dl=0
You'll get three masters of the first song, the screenshots for settings used, for those using Cubase/Nuendo - a complete session, so you can dive into the limiters and tweak them yourself, just remember to install trials if you don't have them! I also used YouLean Loudness Meter for matching loudness.
Now you can hear I wasnt joking nor exaggerating. There IS a problem with this limiter and its low end handling, despite what a group of PA believers in one of the Facebook groups, led by Dirk himself, tell me. I left the group, after I've been personally attacked by the members of the group and my professionalism was questioned.
Have a great, great day!
Until PA gives you an answer instead of just attacking you I won't be purchasing another one of their plugins. The answer is not in the mix, it's in the limiter.
thx !
The track is not clean on the other limiters either, the wave form is maxed out to start with, I can hear a bass rumble in the low with a bit of distortion on the track in general. Also the the right channel of the signal/waveform is wider as in louder so one side of the speaker will have more volume. True peak limiting and limiters can only do so much, your track is maxed out as it is. I've got this brainworx limiter and have had no problems with it whatsoever, it sounds open and transparent, certainly not like it's depicted in this video. Again, the track you are demoing is loud going into the limiter. Also your correlation meter is all over the place, so your stereo balance is jumping back and forth like crazy, this will also cause issues for a limiter and for mastering and for any club speakers. It's obvious when the rest of the track kicks in and the bass is subdued in the track, BX limiter sounds similar to the other limiters, certainly not worse than the other limiters. The first golden rule of feeding into a limiter is controlling the bass, any bass heavy material in general, is not great for limiting, that doesn't mean the bass can't be punchy and clear, but it is a huge misconception that bass has to be loud, through pure volume, and with mass of bass added. Any bass signal with cause a limiter and compressor to overreact, there are many tricks used to getting a bass or low frequency material to sit in the mix, yet be punchy and clear.
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Watch this video, which clarify's how the bx limiter should be used, it does take a bit of getting used to, just like any other plugin, each have their own terms and controls. A final note about correlation metering: straight away you can see in this clip I have copied in, how a correlation meter should be functioning, ie the mix, the less it moves the better and the further to the right it is the better the stereo image and phase correlation and LOW end is in the mix, so not wobbling and wavering at great pace from side to side. Oh and, if you're going into the limiter with plus 6db of gain on top of all this, no wonder the limiter is struggling, which is what I see in this video. Other limiters may sound slightly better in this demo, having said all this, knowing how to use each limiter is obviously paramount, and calibrating the BX limiter needs a bit of awareness, something other plugins might not necessarily show. Set the input at zero or one db lower, the set the ceiling to the desired peak , so minus 2 or whatever suits the material and avoids clipping.
I went to a mastering studio where they use monitors of Italian production (Rosso Fiorentino) for 17,000 euros and the difference between L2 and Bx is that the Bx sounds cleaner if used well. the bx should be used in the mastering phase only to smooth the peaks because if you raise the gain it sounds bad but if you use it with the gain at zero just to smooth the peaks it is much cleaner than the L2.
the sound of Limitless blew me away in your video, really gives this professional sound to your track.
It's my fav until today!
I don‘t have that issues with the bx tbh ^^‘
Its kinda the opposite for me.
I had to stack multiple Pro-L‘s to get the same clarity as with the bx. I cannot tell u why tho.
I think your source was a bit muddy but yeah
Sure it was, but even after correcting the mix - same story.
Great video!! And you confirmed what I thought I was hearing with "Limitless". (That one is quite stellar!!) Take care, Paul. 🙂✌
Thanks, cheers!
Limitless obviously sounded best, agreed True Peak not living up to the hype.
obviously? WTF..Limitless a bunch of hacker, coders, with 3 dollars in their pocket wont be able to code ...obviously....!!
True Peak beats out most "ordinary" limiters. For intricate, spectral limiting, I prefer Newfangled Elevate.
Had you done a side to side comparison with Limitless and Elevate. I own Elevate and am wondering if DMG may be providing a bit more analog flavor - seeing that they are adding some slightly different controls - hmm.
Its criminally dismissed.... Why ? Like a PC vs Mac, Xbox vs Playstation.... Its all Fabfilter , Fabfilter or in the EDM thing.. Serum,. Serum ect ect..
Ive seen many FF Fanboys get full on, because their there "Precious" has a competitor thats better... Like the new Kirchhoff EQ.. "Yeh Its just as copy of FFPQ3" .LOL
Also, Considering most people these days are "somewhat" mastering at home.. Because , you should never use a limiter on the master , when you send it to a mastering engineer.
As for removing Peaks .. Of course,,,
But as I do a large range of work, and when its not required to send it to my mastering guy (King Willy) , Elevate covers everything. Its bloody Voodoo Code..
After all , Up to 26 independent bands, Same for adaptive gain, Filters, Saturation.,.. ect.. And has then best Gain matching in any plug in ive ever used...Considering all its features..
I was so keen to buy a new bx limiter to beat my favorite PSP Xenon (and the L2 as a second choice for some project) .. but nope, didn't happened. Xenon, still the best one. I even haven't watched this review before. On the first day of the release of the BX L, I downloaded the demo immediately .. and said to myself. WHAT? This should be it? ... Today I've seen this video review here and I totally agree.
I like the stealth personally
It's true! I was going to buy it but when I tested it against Ozone 9 and TDR Limiter 6 does not sound transparante at all. And when you increase the gain too much starts to compress like crazy and sounds like not hitting a brikwall but slamming into concrete.
Yep, tell this to PA fans... ;)
Respect to such guys! Even in prison they continue to be creative and make content!
Thank you for your videos. I am a new subscriber. I waited until the third video as I always do to add a sub. Each one has been excellent. Please keep them coming
Thanks, man, this is so good to hear! See you soon :)
Uuummmmm, why don’t you play some music that isn’t just badly muffled low end???
Bx sounds like it's smoothing things too much and it sounds like it's dipping but it's not giving any punch.
L2 is punchy and up front, but a little too clean for my liking.
Limitless is like L2 but with a bit of smoothing like Bx but done right.
I'm not sure who gave Bx those 5 star reviews but that's just not a good limiter when it artifacts like crazy at -7lufs with the low end. I can only suspect it came from the True Peak technology that shaves off a bunch of transients and smooths everything out but if that's the cost then theyr'e doing it wrong.
Thanks, man! I was really, really surprised with what bx thing did. I didn't expect it to go that wrong...
Srsly ...not a joke at all The FAST limiter from Focusrite ; ) . Even tho it uses the Sonible AI ; it has its own tweak options . Try that ; might you also be super impressed ?
Never had a problem with bx True Peak. It sounds clean and punchy on everything I've tried it on. Sometimes I prefer Ozone Maximizer on some material but only because the song lends itself to it not because of distortion. I think your songs have already been smashed with a limiter so the distortion is already in the file 🤷🏾
Same, I was concerned since I already own and use BX-TP but I'm not getting the same experience with it.
I agree ... with everything you said
Good to know I didn't get crazy and my test is proper, thanks!
Y'all are crazy, This limiter is great.
They don't know how to use a TP limiter. They think its a conventional limiter and a substitute for mixing. They ought to be embarrassed when they realize what it's used for.
@@royzturbo I was looking at this limiter that he is bashing. How would you use a TP Limiter?
@@royzturboYep fake audio enginer here 😅
Really good, honest review, you've earned yourself a sub from me - I look forward to more of your reviews
Thank you, sir, let's do it and hear you soon!
thank you for the video, I am a huge fan of brainworx plugins, but I was still skeptical of their claims. I was wondering about how it would sound in comparison with what I already use (pro-l2 or the UAD precision limiter). Glad to see that you tested it out against pro-l2.
Also, I don't mean to sound like a jackass, but I had to toggle a high pass filter on my computer speakers whenever you would speak lol... your voice was causing this rumbling in my room that was vert unsettling.
I find this so interesting. I am in the process of culling my entire UAD catalog. Some stuff I have been using for years. When I went to remove the UAD Precision Limiter, I could not believe how hard it was to find a comparable limiter that was as clean and transparent. I only use it for Heavy Bass, and Sub Drop Downers. Pro-L artifacted, everything from Waves, native Cubase plugins, Ozone Vintage Limiter. Seriously NOTHING was up to the task. I'm talking 20db+ reduction so that the volume on all frequencies remain consistent. The replacement I landed on to my absolute shock was the super lightweight KiloHearts Limiter!!! What the hell!?! All this time I had no idea this Precision limiter was so damn good. Crazy what you can discover when you put things to the test.
Dude! I read this comment and thought there's no way 'he must be hearing things or there's something off with his monitoring system' coz I had the kilohertz limiter and never took it seriously tbh but it just blew me away. It brought the mix forward and added clarity in the upper-mid-range making the vocal is much more present and consistent. Thanks for the heads up!
@@tsmpungose1986 mind blowing, right? I take all my KS plugins seriously now, haha. Glad you got something out of this too. Enjoy!
"Pro-L artifacted"?
What preset did you use?
To me, the Pro-L2 is very good.
Before the Pro-L2, I used and have been dissatisfied by the FL Studio's limiter, iZotope Ozone & T-RackS.
I've also tried Sonible's Smart:Limit, but I found it being worse than the Pro-L2.
@@Crossfire2003 so all I was doing was driving really low sub bass through it, pumping the input gain to get heavy reduction to keep the volume nice and even accross the different frequencies. I just clicked on all the algorithm settings. I was also shocked that nothing was as clean as the Precision Limiter. I'm not saying it's the best limiter out there for everything, but for a non colouring brick wall limiter, I couldn't find a match.
@@MythixMusic1
I do not contradict you.
I've never tried KiloHearts products yet.
I'll do some more tests with my Pro-L2.
I like it, but it is a bit on the soft side, not perfect for every master but I've had some good results. If you set your limiter first, then make your other (EQ, etc) decisions second, you might have a slightly different result in a test, but it wouldn't be a shootout. Really interested in Limitless after this video.
Oh, mamma mia, mamma mia!
Mamma mia, let me go!
Beelzebub has a devil put aside for me!
For me!
For me!
Good video!!
Thanks!
i still am using L2 at X4, idk i think im just addicted to that tone now lol
As always, folks: let me know what ya think in the commentz!
PA ProAudioDSP DSM V3 with threshold on 2 to 6 db maximum on the spectral shaper with the limiter activated followed by the tc electronic md4 hd limiter from powercore on limiter threshold of -1db for peaks is the most clean smooth and hifi configuration i have ever hear i've tested a lot of workflow and it's the only one that get me a balanced sound, trust me try it man i wouldn't recommend you trash and keep it a secret from the industry, if you need help to configure it check me out.
also be careful not to increase the gain over 6db
I have never used the bx one, but the settings was on classic, Maybe set on modern would make it better.
Man I’m glad I watched this video cause all the other videos didn’t zoom in on how it works with the low end.
Great to hear, thanks!
Hello there !
Just curious... I have the Bx TPL version 1.1.1
Can't hear anything wrong here....
Have you tried the uptated version ?
Has it been fixed ?
Thanks !
Guys, thanks! It's really good to know that I'm not the only one to hear this and willing to criticize the product with too much marketing and no real game changing value!
Wow the video just sold me dmg limitless. Amazing
Whoah, this is great to hear! Yes, Limitless sounds really amazing, right? Take care and produce beatiful music, man!
@@FoliaSound Thanks man. You too !!
thx man, I'm hooked up with your videos. what's your take against Nuendo's own limiter and have you checked this video on UA-cam yourself? I'm wanna make sure the difference is hearable on UA-cam .
Hey, man, nice to hear that! Nuendo limiter is really decent, but I still prefer the results achieved with some other tools. Cheers!
Paul did you come to conclusions of magnus vs smartlimit vs limitless?
They're all great and I think it's a matter of personal taste. Smart - the cleanest. Limitless - the most tweakable and tonal. Magnus - the loudest :)
Hi all, what do you think about Sonible smart:limit. Seems to be an alternative for Pro L 2. I don't know if it's as good as DMG Limitless.Does anyone have experience with smart:limit?
It's great, man! Limitless sounds incredibly punchy and loud, but Smart:limit is also there plus its learning functions and a saturation module are really amazing...
Dear Dork!
ive always had a weird perceptual thing with brainworx - every plugin that has M/S built-in would give me perceptual phase issues. about the distortion - BX XL V2 is a great plugin but has bad distortion on the lows as well. i did purchase the TRUE PEAK LIMITER by BX for my arsenal, however I did not hear the distortion you have here, I will look into it. TY
I am using it (True Peak) now for the first time, and it is working well.
It started out sounding odd to me, until I fiddled with it a bit.
PA has the pro audio dsp DSM V3, which is also amazing, on certain sources.
I find that different plugins react differently on different tracks.
Allahso, I demoed the "God Particle", and didn't like it, until I saw a tutorial on how to get the most out of it . . . This guy was saying how he puts it on his 2 Bus and Mixes Into it . . . as opposed to finishing a mix and slapping it on at the end, expecting something miraculous to happen . . . So, I will give the "God Particle" another try . . . I will actually just get it, as I am convinced that it will be useful, once I figure out how best to utilize it.
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in limitless dmg is the activation of the true peak automatic?
Yes, I think so!
Phew! I thought I was the only one who could hear how weird it sounds....don't get me wrong, I love Plugin Alliance and I own the vast majority of their products, plus I'm a MEGA subscriber, but this is just not up there with the rest of them....mind you, it will be EXTREMELY hard to beat Limitless and with all due respect there's a lot more than can be done with it than what's shown in this video, but I suppose you had to do a fair comparison so fair play! Thanks for doing this!
Thanks, Jon, we agreed 100% here!
Hey thanks… Excellent summation and review… God bless
Thanks, man!
Agree!! alot of Artifacts in the low end with the BX true Peak Limiter:((
Is bx limiter limitless bs?
What is the best? Fabfilter L2 or BX True Peak limiter?
thanks
L2
nice Test :-) I had the same Experience in Mastering Techno, Minimal and House with it ... so i totally agree with you .... this Bx isn't transparent further it is colouring in a bx way. To use it you need to mix into it other way all will sound bad...My result was that the Low End get squashed a bit the Music gets flat and you loosing all upfront ... Limitless is a Monster but i also prefer the IK Multimedia Stealth Limiter or Ozone 9 Maximizer for proposal .... But in my opinion the best Limiter and compressor you can get on the market is the Weiss DS1-MK3 collection....
Never had a cleaner and louder Master than with that ...
Hey, thanks for another opinion! I have to put my hands on Weiss one day.
How do you like Stealth vs Ozone? I'm in the same genre and Ozone is doing well (IV mode is my favourite). Stealth is super cheap right now for $25. I'll test it but I would like to hear your opinion to.
I heard Weiss - in wide Mode it's a monster! But I can't pay that much for a plugin right now.
@@DarkLightYT i bought already the stealth Limiter and in my opinion it is similar to the A.O.M. invisible Limiter... it has the same kind of Algorithm in my opinion and sounds the same... i don't like as much the harmonic section of it, but it is a good one and usable for different kinds. I use it already as Pre Limiter before the last one and it is very transparent in tight mode... also you can combine the stealth with the ozone maximizer at the end... let 2 Limiters do the work instead of 1 ... the slightly steps keeps the dynamic in your song and give you loudness...
But all of that i think i tried many Limiters not all but a lot and all of them i tried except the Weiss and TC Electronic Brickwall ( i found out that only this both are honest ) has the same problem with True Peaks , they are not showing you what is happening in real and it is harder to find a honest Metering tool (also here i tried a hole lot of them) for measure the real time True Peak, cause this is the most important thing in the digital world if you want to get loud and clean without artifacts and unwanted distortion....
@@BelAnuRa Thanks for the reply! :)
I'll test it as 2 limiters combo with Ozone. So far I had good results with Ozone but for very loud masters sometimes I'm getting occasional distortion so it's worth trying. Also, Ozone so far was very effective with True Peak.
I'm 'maximizing' to -0.5dB peak and so far no tool showed me that audio goes beyond that.
So 'good' that I have Stealth Limiter already installed with all the other T-racks plugins ;)
@@DarkLightYT there is also free one what i am using sometimes as first limiter called Loudmax by Thomas Mundt ... it is worth to try this out :-)
Hmm…did you give this guy another shot?
The bx sound horrible. It adds the typical bx sound, I absolutely don't like. It also alters the complete balance of the 2-track. Thank you.
Btw this isn't controversial at all. It's just like it is saying.
I want a DS1-MK3 now more than ever.
At the moment KClip3, Faraday GHZ limiter, The Wall BOZ, Melda Limiter, Weiss MM1 are a good choice for me in certain combinations
Thanks, man! It always feels "controversial" to criticize large, renowned companies, you know. But I'm happy to have publish this test!
@@FoliaSound hey, I didn't see that as a complete criticism of the whole company. We all know they are cool guys and they already did amazing stuff. I see this completely differenciated, referring to this plugin alone and hey...things are what they are and you said it on the base of your perception. Nothing controversial here imo.
Loving this channel. You are one entertaining guy. :)
I also tried Limitless and was floored by it. Tried it several months ago, but then I was wondering why I would want that over the ozone maximizer, which I feel like is pretty darn clean. How loud do I need my tracks to be?
the stereo imagine is just craaaaazy on limitless
True!
There is Classic and Modern switch. Your setting was Classic, which adds harmonics. I think only Modern gives Transparent feel.
I wasn't a huge fan for this limiter.. Great video.
Thanks, man!
absolutely true. Thank you!
I had the same results you pointed out with the artifacts from this limiter. I found to my ears that the artifacts are less pronounced with the limiter set to Classic mode. Makes some sense since the manual claims that classic mode is "safer" and less aggressive sounding for things like EDM. Interesting though that the limiter is set to Modern mode by default. Do you have any opinion about this BX limiter vs the ToneBoosters Barricade 4 limiter?
Nope, I didn't test it, but I actually did more testing, using Limitless, A.O.C, Voxengo, Melda and other limiters. My next stop i Limitless, that's my best summary :)
Very interesting indeed. I used the bx true peak on the two most recent masters i did, and both clients complained that it sounded distroted and "fizzy". I'm glad someone else had the same opinion :-) Good job man!
I'll tell you more: I did some additional, extensive tests after publishing the video, on bx True Peak and some other limiters. Dirk's fans almost ate me alive on his fb group for criticizing the limiter, they were rejecting the reality, trying to prove I did the test wrong and I'm not a pro and all I can say that the hype about this quarter-ready, sluggish limiter - it's pure rubbish. They advertise it as clean sounding, not distorting the low end and these are just untrue statements, pretty easy to verify.
Why are people defending it, why are they buying it? Why is this mastering guy advertising it? I don't know, but all this made me seriously reconsider my future with Plugin Alliance stuff. What I really need from their library is Unfiltered Audio stuff, the rest is not necessary for me.
I'm not into semi-religious cults of any software. I'm a customer who wants to ask a question, send user feedbacks, I expect companies who get my money to answer my questions, instead of talking "you're sooo professional, Pawel :)", "while you're complaining, big names are using it" and endorsing personal attacks, which all comes from the owner of the company. This is beyond my belief, my standards of communications, this is just negative, toxic and passive-aggressive. It's a pure no go for me in the future, period.
The good thing for me is that finally I tested more limiters: A.O.M. stuff, Voxengo stuff, Melda stuff, Newfangled, Softube/Weiss, BUTE, Nugen. My final thought is that DMG Limitless is absolutely stellar and best sounding to my ears, just on anything, starting from tech house tracks, through any pop genres, ending with smooth limiting of film scores. Solid 2nd place went to Softube/Weiss and Melda. Melda's GUIs and design philosophy are different than the others, a little bit more complex and engineer-like, but you can tweak their MB limiter for some absolutely stunning performance.
DMG plugins demand a solid review from me, I'll write to the guys and see if they can grant me some NFR licenses, so I can dig deeper through them.
@@FoliaSound Hey, thanks for taking the time to answer in detail. I totally agree with you, ppl approaching stuff like a soccer game fandom is very annoying indeed, can't have a decent discussion with those types anyway, i personally wouldn't wast my time :p i'll definitely check out the DMG limiter, i also like the newfangled stuff so i'll check out their lineup too. Take care man, nice meeting u (Y)
@@FoliaSound I appreciate your review... the lack of a constructive feedback and the personal attacks from PA you’ve described are concerning and saddening. I got a few solid projects from the company (Knifonium plugin).. but overall, not all of them live up to the hype. 🤷🏼♂️
@@VDJ4500 , true. I quit any PA newsletters, shoppimg lists, I only need Unfiltered Audio that can be bought still outside PA.
I gave it another go recently. There's a lot I don't understand about this plugin. The marketing hype before it was released was like a religious cult. Then the people (a person?) who market this plugin get really angry at people who criticize it. Of course the sound is often a matter of subjective opinion, but objectively everyone should notice straight away that this plugin couldn't be further away from sounding clean. I get that some people might enjoy how it sounds.
Thanks for the video. Have you or will you be doing a review on Newfangled Audio Elevate? Would love see you test it out.
Though its not fair to compare... Becuase its WAY more than a Peak Limiter....... And costs Less is Newfangled Elevate..
Even the Bundle costs less, and includes modules from Elevate, But are designed for individual Tracks , Busses... And add extra Functions..
It has it all... Definitely takes a while to know how to get around it.... Maybe Its not as pretty , But it Blows all these Limiters Out of the water,.....and did I mention , Its not just as Mastering Limiter?
To Add.. Will every one that posts on any audio thread, please PLEASE dont refer Fabfilter ProL2 as L2 !! Another company had L2 years ago.. And im sure many still use it. Add FFP, Or ProL2, more Pl2 ect ect.. Trust me, Its not just about knowing because PL2 was part of the shootout.... Im talking everywhere on the internet.
I think you may have did your settings on those others a bit more... And you're slamming the XL that's the difference with no ceiling.. Come onnnnnnn LOL
modern talking
Yeah, i thought it was pretty crap when i demoed it, GUI looks real nice tho!
Thx for your honest review
Hey man, great comparison! Do you use oversampling in the L2 usually? at 16 or 32x it makes a big difference. Another god one is Invisible Limiter G2 from AOM, also with high oversampling.
x16/x32 is only on my master bus, groups etc. only x4/x8. I didn't go for x16/x32, because I wanted to make it easier for bx_TP ;) It didn't help :D
@@FoliaSound yeah it didn't help haha. Yes, the high oversampling I also use it in mastering sessions on the masterbuss.
@@eprotz Pro-L2 is amazing anyway. I was considering Limitless for a while, but x16/x32 is actually good enough to stick to my Fab for now. Always looking to improve with better replacements, though. Cheers!
Bx sounds warm and completed. L2 is more digital. Imho. But I never use true peak limiting
Brainworx has fallen off since 2017 when Reimund Dratwa left.
Great video! It really made me ditch the BX and get into the DMG world! 🔥
Keep it going :)
Thanks, I will :)
Brainworx quality hasn't kept up over time. Plastering the word "mastering" on everything when mastering ≠ processing is an eyeroll.
I would love to see Dirk's reaction or answer to this video
Yep, me too, actually. Did you hear what I heard? How to explain it?
@@FoliaSound I heard it, now let’s see if there is a good explanation for that. Did you post it on FB too?
@@RoyPerez-drumnote not yet, it's gonna happen tomorrow in a couple of groups, I suppose.
Didn't even reply to the facebook post and he usually reacts to everything. Great video. Marketing hype on this plugin was insane and I'm happy to see an honest test/review.
The reaction: after personally insulting our Folia guy here, Di*k will sell the artifacts as "character", as he did with all the aliasing issues with iron. Poor/lazy/cheap coding in PA for a couple of years now... All hype.
Yes Bx distort, i also saw it in another video.
Hey, MAKE, can you pass me the link to this vid?
@@FoliaSound Sure ua-cam.com/video/Mm8X5OuWcSc/v-deo.html
@@MAKEemusic thanks!
I had the same experience with the true peak limiter by brainworks distorting the low frequency’s
Pozdrowienia Pawel, niedawno poznalem twoj kanal i robisz swietna robote, tak trzymaj, zaslugujesz na duza publicznosc, wiecej subow, jesli konsekwentnie bedziesz dzialal z tematem, czeka cie na prawde swietlana przyszlosc na youtube :)
Dzieki wielkie! :) Robię swoje, jaram się, będzie dobrze, już jest!
Well done! Now it would be interesting if you reviewed bx_masterdesk PRO!
I don't do Plugin Alliance reviews, I'm afraid. There's a group of yt people, which Dirk has a problem with and I"m in that group. Sorry bout that!
Makes me wonder, I see a lot of reaction like "I have the issue too" but there isn't a single review on the product page that addresses this problem. Why don't you all write it there so there is a chance for them to improve the plugin? Je it's like shouting in a box.
Oh, I did try on this "PA Positive Audiophiles" group on Facebook. Dirk and his fans almost ate me. This is a toxic company in general and I'm out using and reviewing any of their stuff :) My two exceptions ade Unfiltered Audio and Dmitry Sches and I wish them they stopped doing business with Dirk one day :)
In L2 You use LookAhead Full 5 ms means it slow the attack and also release time 300 ms but in BX_TP use use 1000 ms release Time its not honest Review the setting you use in Bx_TP 99.99 % mastering engineer not used
I tried many different settings and went for 400 ms release finally, because only then bx_TP was audible at all. I shared the source files and session via Dropbox and you can see there my test was proper and honest.
maybe is the mix.....
Greetings from Finland
can you also test out HG-2MS by PA. It was also being hyped by people.
I actually avoid testing Plugin Alliance, like Dario from Mixbus TV. I once run into Dirk himself after my review of bx True Peak and, well, it wasn't a pleasant experience. I'm not looking for Dirk and PA fans running after me when I don't like something ;)
@@FoliaSound lol. Thats not good. Mixbus had a issue with them too. Sounds like the SSL scandal with paul the third.
@@fa0179 , whoah, I didn't know this, I just watched the whole thing. Ridiculous on SSL side...
How come you did the test in classic mode ? the modern is supposed to give you better results for that type of music,
I tested both modes with similar results.
@@FoliaSound Gotcha, this is only the second bad review I have seen, the other claimed the bx ruined the stereo image compared to the tc electronic powercore brickwall limiter and the fabfilter and was not transparent,
Folia, Two things for you and all others reading:
1. Make sure you are using the VST3 version of the plugin if you are on a 64 bit system. I had my DAW (FL 20.7.3 64-bit) set to combine VST and VST3 plugins and apparently the VST version of bx_true_peak_Limiter v1.0 didn't function as expected. On my system the correlation meter and solo buttons didn't appear in the VST version, It kept on outputting levels above 0dbFS and audio was very distorted like it was broken. This may be a bug with v1.0 or it may actually be working with the wrong bit depth. HOWEVER, When I used the VST3 version the missing buttons appeared and the bx_true_peak limiter sounds better than all other limiters I own (16 and counting) including the ones you reviewed here. It also translates the best to all other platforms.
2. You need to understand that you don't use this the same way as a conventional limiter. You don't try to smash your mix to oblivion with it, you can use a compressor or one of the other oversampling limiters to get that sausage sound but then afterwards you use this for mastering to catch your inter sample peaks. The end result should be that you are barely seeing the gain reduction meters moving, probably 1-2 db max. You'll notice that the ceiling knob is logarithmic and 30% of it sets the ceiling above 2.5dB, there is a reason for this. Keep in mind, a true peak limiter is designed to ensure max compatibility between listening environments and not intended for use to improve deficiencies in your mix. FYSA, EVERY 3dB gain reduction is 50% of the source signal. Trying to shave 7dB off of a signal is actually asking it to output 21.1% of the original signal. It's really a fantastic tool when you use it correctly.
In my unbiased opinion, the math in this plugin is a work of art and the Devs spent two years working on the algorithm according to their website, they deserve more support in order to keep great tools like this coming our way and they deserve a fair review. Please be more objective in your review.
Cheers!
Ah, this is so scientific! 3dB reduction is 50% of the signal, ah, this is so math! Thank you, sir, it's been a pleasure to talk to you!
Next time, make sure to set similar parameters on the limiters, seems kinda biased to me the way you set up the whole session 🤔
Why? The release times are the same, peak reduction and LUFS are consistent. Did you download my session from Dropbox? I was manipulating many parameters, trying different settings, finally went for 400 ms release and same peak cuts and ceilings. What's up then?
Jezu jaka mega drama. Okrutnie źle brzmi ten Brainworx! Doskonale to słychać na tym przykładzie. WTF! :D
No, dobrze, że nie tylko ja to słyszę!
What in the crap are you talking about???? I hear the same distortion from all the limiters in the beginning of the track. Its not the Limiter. Its your MIX!!!!
Really, sir? Why then Pro-L2 and Limitless behave properly, without distorting anything on the very same material? :) Did you see the vid at all? My mix IS clean, I can assure you of that!
And if you can't hear the way bx_TP changes the integrity of the low end, well, get your hearing checked. No bad intentions nor sarcasm on my side.
@@FoliaSound Cool, no bad intention taken lol. I've played around with the BX for about a week and a half and looked at all the new videos on it. You are the only one I have seen (including myself) with that particular issue. I would say test it for more than one day on more than one song. If you care to..if not screw it. Also, I listened to it 3 times on KRK Gen 5's. The Low end distorted some way on all three Limiters. May be youtube's fault. Don't know. Just saying what I heard.
Ok, man, I did the test on KS Digital C88 speakers :D These are quite a bit more precise than Rokit G3. If Rokits don't pass the low end distortion properly, grab your best headphones and listen again to the whole 4:53-5:25 (bx_TP) and then 7:30-7:42 (Limitless). These are the moments when you can clearly hear vast difference in low end. Sure, some algos by Pro-L2 and Limitless also distort the low end, but some are CLEAN. Seriously - take your headphones and check these excerpts. If you don't perceive the difference, check your hearing or throw away your monitors/headphones. My mix really is legit, not distorted. Cheers!
@@FoliaSound Why not put processed files up for download and take YT out of the equation. Doing any serious evaluation on YT, let alone criticizing people for not hearing what you're supposedly hearing in your studio is BS.
L-2 is a bit clean for me.
Limitless is a big surprise, I think it's the most liked limiter I've heard.
Trupe Peak is not good. The worst thing is that it casts doubts on the evaluations of the rest of the products in Plugin Alliance.
Good job man!
Big audio expert talks thru noisy mic. Seems legit 🤣