Terrible seamanship by the "captain." So many mistakes it's hard to list them. The biggest question is why do these idiots continue to put little kids (or anyone for that matter) in the bow in this situation? One kid has a PFD on, but it's not zipped. Basically useless.
Mostly operator. Too slow and trimmed all the way down (as well as load of people up front) were big issues here. Should have trimmed up to lift the bow and attacked it at a higher speed and moved a few passengers to the middle or back, although with this incredibly poor bow design I wonder if this situation is almost unavoidable in conditions like this.
@@raindances3310 Given the history of that inlet, I wouldn't have let myself or my kids be out there in a boat. Might as well go play on the highway or some train tracks.
I love how invariably they only start to look for life jackets once the boat is full of water, and there's always someone sitting on where they're stored, and they've never practiced putting them on of course ... 🙄
Yeah I'd really like to know the passenger limit on that vessel too. Just because you can fill all the seats doesn't mean that's how many passengers you can carry. I think we are getting to a point to require mandatory licenses to use a powerboat or sail. Theres just too many people buying them completely ignorant of common sense nevermind the rules.
I love how the adults stay at the highest part leaving the kids up front. One boy was pretty small and could've came out and drove over. I find it odd the blonde in the back went to the highest part and poured out her alcohol and sat there instead of making sure the kids were back there.
The sinking boat is made by Sea Ray - appears to be about 20 feet long. They currently have a 21-foot outboard model rated for 12 people. In this video I counted 11 people on board. They may have been "legal" per the builder's specs, but for those conditions it may be too much. Throw in poor judgement by the captain (or lack of experience) and this is the outcome.
Errors: No prior planning for life vests. No consideration of weight distribution so that the captain could keep the bow trimmed into the waves - this took away the ability to use speed up/down to manage the crests - effectively turned the boat into a water plow.
The life jacket thing it unbelievable. Why aren't those kids in life jackets all the time on the water. It's the law in most places. What happened to the boat? Video guy could have said.
Well unwritten rule: Don't use a lake boat outside of a lake. If you decide to ignore that rule, don't overload it and fill up the bow with people in a chop. Yes, it's pure Captain(or lack of one) error. As for the Aluminum boat, yes I would go thru with it. It would be a rough ride but if you know what you're doing it's just about impossible to sink it. Mystery boat looks like an older Triton SF with an aftermarket T top.
Some bow riders are okay in the ocean. It all depends on the distance from the water line to the gunwale (freeboard). Lake boats have less freeboard as in this case. Lots of mistakes by this captain. Too many people on the boat, wrong boat for the conditions, people sitting on the bow and no one was wearing a life jacket. Good thing a rescue boat was near by or the results could have been fatal.
If you're going to have a boat like that in a location like this, you should add a couple of heavier-duty pumps to it. The stock pumps on lake boats like these aren't meant to get rid of huge, instant influxes of water like you see here. They're meant to pump out rain water and keep them from sinking at the dock. They have no chance to keep up with such a large volume of water that is taken onboard basically instantaneously.
Adjusting the weight in your boat so that you are nose up into these waves is crucial. Move people out of the bow of the boat and trim your motors up so that on throttle the nose comes up. The best example was one of the smallest boats going through it. The 14 ft aluminum boat with two people in it both riding on the rear bench.
yeah the bow should only be used be a couple of people in CALM conditions. And I'd really like to know the passenger limit on that vessel. Just because you can fill all the seats doesn't mean that's how many passengers you can carry. I think we are getting to a point to require mandatory licenses to use a powerboat or sail. Theres just too many people buying them completely ignorant of common sense nevermind the rules.
@@cassiusdio6048 There are tuna fishing boats smaller than that SeaRay that go out in that same condition. Go ahead and let them know they 'have no business being out there".
@@Lopyswine you’re allowed to drink but you’re not allowed to be super intoxicated. I don’t think she would’ve dumped the beer if they weren’t drinking more than they should’ve been.
It never ceases to amaze me how many people do not wear lifejackets. This clip highlights the fact how quickly a boat can sink. In this instance they were all able to put life jackets on in time and the boat doesn't appear to sink but they were lucky and it could have ended up a lot worse. Lifejackets should be worn all the time.
My grandfather had an Egg Harbor, kids were always required to wear life jackets but adults were not. Everyone near were the life jackets were though and were easily accessible should something even seem just a little bit off.
@@sothedramallama it was a question Carlyyyyy ..you clearly need to get a life, instead of being the UA-cam Gestapo lollll. Writing paragraphs over a 5 minute UA-cam video everyone will forget once its over
Well I have been boating my whole life, much of it offshore from Cape Point and the east coast, there getting out through big surf. I have never worn a lifejacket nor got into any trouble at sea. I suppose I was just lucky over a thousand or so trips to sea, some of them 100 miles and more.
I have traveled through the Point Pleasant canal more times than I can remember. Back around 1971 or 72, my dad took our 23 wooden inboard through the canal during a tidal rush as bad as this. We had too many on board, not enough life jackets and it scared the crap out of everyone, especially my brother who was in 2nd grade at the time. We camped out in Barnegat Bay after getting through and waited for slack tide to make it back to the Manasquan River. We did much better than this boat as ours was seaworthy. But we learned a valuable lesson. As for this video, all captain error and 100% avoidable. The captain is always responsible. Know your boat, how to operate it, its limits, the waters you seek to travel, and always be looking out for your passengers.
unfortunatly its probably long past time we required mandatory boat licensing and courses. And not something boat stores run to make it easy to get one. You know the rules or you don't. That guy could have killed those kids in chop like that despite the life jackets.
@@loganholmberg2295 Hey, if you wanna mandate things, you can pay for it too. How about since people drown in their own bathtubs we make you pass a water safety course? I'm not against safety, just more laws/government intervention I don't see working all that well. I'd be ok putting up more warning signs on boat inlets that are so clear there's no way anyone would ever miss them. You can't mandate/legislate common sense, and I think the government intervenes enough already in our lives.
I used to sail on a lake further up in North Jersey. the most we ever had were one foot waves , but one thing I always made sure of: anybody in that sailboat had their life jackets on before I pushed off.
I've worked on just about every house along that canal in the 30+ yrs and I can say without question this isn't the first or last time. This canal is no joke. During tide change that little thing wouldn't have enough engine to go upstream.
I remember crossing a lake in a tri-hull with my two buddies and their uncle driving. We were all in the back with preservers on while the boat was nose diving into the waves. We were barely moving and the waves would crash against the windshield and wash off the sides. If uncle tried to give it any throttle the waves came up OVER the windshield and into the boat! Bad decision by uncle who convinced us it was safe to go home in the storm. What normally was a 10 minute boat ride turned into a 90 minute terror ride!
I,went on a cruise ship and they did a drill for us to put on life vests but they also said we didn’t need to wear them unless we started to sink then they would tell us to put them on 🤣🤣🤣. I’m not an idiot I wore mine the whole trip.
its crazy to me to me that almost all of these boats are coming through trimmed all the way down. trim it up, Its an easy thing to do that can make the passage much safer, and drier
What is even more astounding is that nearly all of these morons have ZERO clue how to properly operate a watercraft, and are legally allowed to do so! Boating in America is like being in rush hour traffic with 12 year olds behind the wheel of every car!!!
Completely avoidable. This “captain” should not have been out in these conditions in this lake boat with all of those passengers onboard. 100% “captains” fault. They’re all lucky.
@@gonzaloviglino2305 it matters not if you call a that Sea Ray a lake boat or a river boat or a pond boat This low bow boat was designed for small water not these conditions. That is an absurdly difficult sea state for that size and configuration of boat, it is too easy for a less than expert operator to stuff it. I always say the boat needs to better than the operator, as most small vessel recreational boaters are not experienced enough for poor conditions.
@@gonzaloviglino2305 Yes it depends on the lake, shallow lakes can get snotty. But the Ocean, tricky inlet or tidal bar is no place for a 18ft bow-rider. U less the conditions are calm and the tides are with you.
Now they put their life jackets on! I grew up in Fla and went fishing in the lake and on the ocean. My father knew how to read the channels, waters conditions, weather and never took chances. As soon as we stepped into the boat, life preservers went on.
Showed my husband. His family lived for the water every chance they got. Lake, river, reservoir, sea, ocean. FIL was navy, taught my hubs, and he got to drive all the boats at lake Powell. He said this was preventable bit you have to do it right, find that sweet spot that's not too fast not too slow, and weight distribution is always our first rule when we get in a vessel,
I live and grew up here. It’s in theory a no wake zone but at full rip (which it was) it’s quite sporty as the boats heading up current kick up big wake just to make headway. Traveling down current is actually more dangerous in these conditions (as this boat was). Couple that with full weekend traffic makes for some very rough conditions. Right by the bridge in that video there’s a massive hole (drops about 15 feet). In this case, definitely captain error. Wrong boat for the conditions, and you definitely don’t slow down. Best bet coming into a trough is to kick the speed up a bit to get the bow up. And you definitely get everyone off the bow, to keep weight towards the stern. I find it rough in my 21’ Mako, which is far more seaworthy than that thing, and my kids are life jacketed always.
For the second boat, should that have been going faster then? To stay on top on the waves? Seems like it would be challenging with a no wake zone, but then if everyone made wakes the water would be even worse. BTW legit questions, I mostly do lakes. Just asking to learn something.
A former marine state police told me once, it is technically no wake (you can get a ticket for traveling at speed), but at least down current you’re not going to make much wake, and you are allowed to handle your boat safely, even if it does create some wake. In general, it’s the up current boats that generate the swell you see, and I get it, as you can get pushed around by the waves, so you need some power for control. Edit: As for the second boat, assuming you mean the Key West, yes you do need to bump the throttle to kick the bow up. Slowing down, as he did, can actually hurt. It’s not a constant higher speed, but instead working the throttle to keep control.
Yep. Love the one dude that was more interested in retrieving the ice chest than getting the kids in life jackets. Wonder how many of those kids will never get on a boat again after this experience? Same for next boat with kids upfront screaming.
The answer to the mystery boat question is right there on it's hull side. It's a Palm Beach, built by Marine Manufacturing Incorporated in Douglas, GA.
The owner of the boat that puts the lives of their passengers at risk because they don’t have the knowledge on how to handle a boat in rough currents and waves should be arrested for this stupidity.
I was there when it sunk, the police dragged it to the sandbar on treasure island, no one was harmed or hurt too which is good. It was super crazy, I was just swimming with a friend on my dads boat😂, hope I explained it well!
Somehow, regardless of the sea state, a small Boston Whaler appears in most of these videos having no issues (and no stuffing). Is it because they are amazing boats (they are), because they attract more experienced captains, or both? Do not recall having seen many a Boston Whaler stuffing, regardless of size.
I think you're right about experienced Captains. This video reminded me of the handful of times we rode a 15 ft Whaler through this Inlet through chop. Our "Captain", a 17/18 year old knew what they were doing. And we had life preservers on! I will never go through an Inlet without one. And yes I hate to wear one. 😊
@@jonnyballgame34 I Had A 190. Amazing build and flotation. But not comfortable in short chop. Not deep enough V. But it can handle more than most Captains.
Something about a water rescue/ response i find so fascinating. No matter who is at fault or what caused it, I always find it neat to see these neat (very expensive) police, CG, marine patrol boats speed to a scene. Even my local SeaTow is a great part to a rescue. And can't forget near by civilian boats often ready to assist and often the closest ones.
I have only learned about this canal on UA-cam and it gives me nightmares!! I would hope the locals know about this before going through it. Why they do not have PFD on all children drives me crazy and especially not knowing where they are in their own boat. Even though everyone is safe these kids are going to live with this nightmare for a very long time. They are lucky they only lost the boat!!
Captain error! Absolutely! My brother has a 17 foot Searay bow rider. We have crossed the Rogue river bar many times. Nobody, at any time crossing the bar or in rough seas is forward of the windshield. EVERYBODY wears a lifejacket! And trim is used to elevate the bow. I can't understand these guys tactics.
The captain is always responsible. He left 4 people in front instead of moving them in the back. He didn't adjust his speed. I was out on a boat all the time as a kid. I drove our boat a lot. I knew better than that guy.
They were probably told. to hang on for dear life. So at the least I'd expect them to be washed over ,but them hanging on, and pulling their shoulders out or breaking an arm.
Pretty sure the guy driving (I'm not going to call him a skipper, cause that would be giving him too much credit), looked like he was trying to sink it. Kept on at the same speed despite the fact water was pouring into the boat. These police should have fined him, and banned him from using motorised ANYTHING ever again
Some of these smaller boats look like they are designed to scoop up water unless they are trimmed " down by the stern". As one person commented, they are more for lakes and rivers and can't handle rough stuff especially when overloaded. Even the bigger boats get a good old slamming.
And there's a huge difference between that open bow and the center console believe it or not. The water runs out of the center console about as fast as it runs in. It's made for it.
Not an area I am familiar with, but I grew up on an island in Southeast Alaska and am very familiar with boats. I would agree with most here that this was captain error. After the second big wave he should have throttled back and redistributed his weight. By the time he plowed 3 or 4 waves it was too late to do much.
I like the way the mom as soon as she sees the boat sinking and hears the siren doesn’t go for the life jackets until she’s emptied out her beer!🤣 Priorities ! Obviously there were too many people up front - this was pure amateur hour mixed with I’m sure a lot of beer . I hope they breathalyzed the captain.I also loved how the guy not behind the wheel decides to go for the cooler instead of getting jackets on his family. Again priorities!
TOTALY Captain error! Trim all the way down when it should have been up keeping the bow up and no clue of how to handle wake. This guy has NO business being on the water!
I agree 100% : unless someone has decades of experience on the water, then they have no business on the water getting experience... only the experienced should be allowed to experience!
@@TRUCKER_TRUCKER your point is valid as the only way to get experience is through action. That boat should have been trimmed up and passengers should have been in the rear. The worst part is that family will probably be scared away from boating. New boaters should enlist an experienced friend to help teach them. I have been mentoring my buddy and his kid for a while now and they havent even launched the boat outside of their private pond/lake. I gave them my old boat and made them get their boater safety as a prerequisite to giving it to them.
Captain is ALWAYS responsible for the crew/passengers. He could of stopped before the 2nd stuffing and moved those kids to the stern and trimmed up his engine.
Bilge pump will eventually get it out as long as more is not coming in. You can throw the boat in reverse to keep the bow from taking on more water once it is swamped. But he should have been on trim to keep his bow up and been going faster. Plowing his bow was avoidable in the first place. There is a sweet spot speed and angle of attack when you are in big swells.
Trim the motor so that the bow rides high up, on half a plane, and hope that the water is not too deep to swamp the boat before the bow-up angle can drain the water by gravity out of the rear scuppers. Not a good situation to be in to begin with - but that's the best shot at staying afloat if it happens, IMO.
Why is the most important part of this scenario cut from the video with no update on what happened to the boat? Did it sink, etc? Very frustrating as a viewer.
@@jasonarcher6901 money does not equal good story telling. Additionally, this is UA-cam, a free platform. The video simply needed a text update explaining what happened to the boat. Would have taken less than 2 minutes to do the work to put it into the video.
Certainly has the right shape for submarining. I don't get that drooping nose at all. Even if meant for lakes, it still seems to me like an odd design choice.
This being a no-wake zone makes this really hard for boats like this(besides front loading them). It seems like after first wave if he pushed it hard he could have gotten bow up and made it in to calm water and let the bilge pump do its thing. No overboard drain means you looking at 18 gallons a minute out the bilge with what could have been 100 gallons.. 5 minutes+ is a long time when in panic mode
Interesting they call this a no wake zone when mother nature is creating 3 - 4 footers all by herself. Understandable when the tide is slack. This so called "captain" should have gone to jail for child endangerment. Both of the men looked clueless when the water started pouring in.
No wake doesn't mean you can't make a wake...it's means as slow as you can go without stuffing the bow and swamping your bowrider. If you have to give a little throttle to keep from stuffing, then that's your no wake speed.
A true Captain knows safety comes first and would actually outsmart the standard “no wake” sign, it’s not about following the rules is about understanding the environment of the rules
the boat was not on plane capt error.... kids in the bow capt error....not enough life vests on board capt error.....threw a cooler of beer/liquor overboard capt error
It's a no wake zone, and it was to rough for the speed it would require to stay on plane. He should have throttled up just enough to push the bow up in the air, without people sitting in the bow.
Shout out to the two boats who saw a sinking boat and a police boat trying to help them and said nah, we gotta get home before the big game. That is how you know you're up north. Well... that and the fact that the captain scuttled the ship lol.
Ya there is! Their parental rights should be stripped for allowing the POSSIBILTY OF DANGER! we all know "WHAT IF" Is a very real thing that must not be allowed.
The guys in the trump boat remind me of the time a buddy and I went out the mouth of the puyallup river, into the sound, got completely 100% wet in about 10 seconds, kept going out for a minute or so, then turned around and surfed back in, between two waves, with the bow about an inch from being submerged into the wave at the tip of the bow…basically our bow was right at the trough of the wave, for quite some distance…suuuuper sketch..the weather was bad that day…
The boat was towed to a nearby beach/island and later salvaged. Was this captain error or was it completely unavoidable? Let us know your thoughts! 👍
I would think NOT having so many in front and speeding up would have avoided this.
As a former Coastie I’m going to have to say probably 70/30.
State Police we’re definitely in the right place at the perfect time! Kudos to them!
Terrible seamanship by the "captain." So many mistakes it's hard to list them. The biggest question is why do these idiots continue to put little kids (or anyone for that matter) in the bow in this situation? One kid has a PFD on, but it's not zipped. Basically useless.
Mostly operator. Too slow and trimmed all the way down (as well as load of people up front) were big issues here. Should have trimmed up to lift the bow and attacked it at a higher speed and moved a few passengers to the middle or back, although with this incredibly poor bow design I wonder if this situation is almost unavoidable in conditions like this.
Wow. That was really bad. 🙀
The fact those kids were under water and not one adult seemed concerned in the back other than dumping beer is mind blowing...
Say hello to the generations of parents who make kids for social validation and are nothing but accessories to them
And what were they going to do about it? As soon as one stood up they'd been flown from the boat.
@@raindances3310 Given the history of that inlet, I wouldn't have let myself or my kids be out there in a boat. Might as well go play on the highway or some train tracks.
@@misterlove6225 and
@@misterlove6225 don't forget all the tax brakes and extra stimulus checks
I love how invariably they only start to look for life jackets once the boat is full of water, and there's always someone sitting on where they're stored, and they've never practiced putting them on of course ... 🙄
Yeah it's sad especially with kids. At least know which life jacket fits you before going out and where they are stored!
And...only when the police are there.
@@gretchenlittle6817 i’m guessing the police officers told them to do it or they wouldn’t have figured it out on their own
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Yeah I'd really like to know the passenger limit on that vessel too. Just because you can fill all the seats doesn't mean that's how many passengers you can carry. I think we are getting to a point to require mandatory licenses to use a powerboat or sail. Theres just too many people buying them completely ignorant of common sense nevermind the rules.
The guy with the solo cup trying to scoop water out of the sinking boat had me laughing so hard.
The nautical equivalent of the excavator trying to dig out the Ever given
As funny as it is he was the only one with a brain. The others decided to scream instead.
Exactly 😆
If everyone would have started pushing the water out they would have been fine.
Hears the police siren starts emptying the alcohol out 😂 worry about life jackets later 😂 morons everywhere
I love how the adults stay at the highest part leaving the kids up front. One boy was pretty small and could've came out and drove over. I find it odd the blonde in the back went to the highest part and poured out her alcohol and sat there instead of making sure the kids were back there.
They were trying to raise the bow with their weight
The sinking boat is made by Sea Ray - appears to be about 20 feet long. They currently have a 21-foot outboard model rated for 12 people. In this video I counted 11 people on board. They may have been "legal" per the builder's specs, but for those conditions it may be too much. Throw in poor judgement by the captain (or lack of experience) and this is the outcome.
Errors: No prior planning for life vests. No consideration of weight distribution so that the captain could keep the bow trimmed into the waves - this took away the ability to use speed up/down to manage the crests - effectively turned the boat into a water plow.
Error #1… there was no capitán 😂😂😂😂😂.. not every one is one..
Not to mention the horrific hull design….. it’s basically a lake/still water cruiser…..
The design IS a water plow. The lowest point should not be in the front of a boat.
The life jacket thing it unbelievable. Why aren't those kids in life jackets all the time on the water. It's the law in most places. What happened to the boat? Video guy could have said.
Zero consideration of anything.
Well unwritten rule: Don't use a lake boat outside of a lake. If you decide to ignore that rule, don't overload it and fill up the bow with people in a chop. Yes, it's pure Captain(or lack of one) error. As for the Aluminum boat, yes I would go thru with it. It would be a rough ride but if you know what you're doing it's just about impossible to sink it. Mystery boat looks like an older Triton SF with an aftermarket T top.
+1 on the aluminum a bit rough but the bow is high, good job IMO better than the other moron.
F..... Bowrider at the Sea
What's the difference between a lake boat and a boat for the open sea?
@@NM-ev7pu you have to compare a open bow to Dual Console. Seem the same, but dual console is for the ocean
Some bow riders are okay in the ocean. It all depends on the distance from the water line to the gunwale (freeboard). Lake boats have less freeboard as in this case. Lots of mistakes by this captain. Too many people on the boat, wrong boat for the conditions, people sitting on the bow and no one was wearing a life jacket. Good thing a rescue boat was near by or the results could have been fatal.
I really hate seeing the irresponsible parents when kids have no life jackets on
I really hate it too.
The kids in the bow had life vests on. One didn’t have it fastened but they all had on vests.
And even had to search for it in the Bench storage...
At least they had life jackets.
Just learn to swim
I was hoping the Trumpanzees sunk.
If you're going to have a boat like that in a location like this, you should add a couple of heavier-duty pumps to it. The stock pumps on lake boats like these aren't meant to get rid of huge, instant influxes of water like you see here. They're meant to pump out rain water and keep them from sinking at the dock. They have no chance to keep up with such a large volume of water that is taken onboard basically instantaneously.
You can tell how experienced they are with those fenders out
Adjusting the weight in your boat so that you are nose up into these waves is crucial. Move people out of the bow of the boat and trim your motors up so that on throttle the nose comes up. The best example was one of the smallest boats going through it. The 14 ft aluminum boat with two people in it both riding on the rear bench.
Yes the trump boat, those guys did it right in a boat that had no business out there in someone else’s hands.
@@cassiusdio6048 i agree, sometimes we get caught with our pants down
yeah the bow should only be used be a couple of people in CALM conditions. And I'd really like to know the passenger limit on that vessel. Just because you can fill all the seats doesn't mean that's how many passengers you can carry. I think we are getting to a point to require mandatory licenses to use a powerboat or sail. Theres just too many people buying them completely ignorant of common sense nevermind the rules.
I don't get why some of these boat manufacturers angle the bow down. Not smart.
@@cassiusdio6048 There are tuna fishing boats smaller than that SeaRay that go out in that same condition. Go ahead and let them know they 'have no business being out there".
They are all lucky the state police was nearby. Shocking that every adult on that boat had no clue what was going on till they were already swamped.
I love how she casually dumps out the beer right in front of the Troopers
You can drink on your boat.
People that make bad decisions rarely make just one..
First thing I noticed , also that no one seemed to be concerned about the kids that just disappeared under the water
@@Lopyswine you’re allowed to drink but you’re not allowed to be super intoxicated. I don’t think she would’ve dumped the beer if they weren’t drinking more than they should’ve been.
@@verminscum you can't even be "intoxicated." You can drink but not get legally drunk.
Everyone with a boat should watch this. Thanks.
That little guy is definitely never going to forget this day! I'm glad they were safely rescued.
Yes but he also stuck with idiots for parents.
Me too. That youngman getting to the flotation devices needs commending
This is such a ridiculous situation to put your family in. Way to go "captain"!
Or is that craptain?
It never ceases to amaze me how many people do not wear lifejackets. This clip highlights the fact how quickly a boat can sink. In this instance they were all able to put life jackets on in time and the boat doesn't appear to sink but they were lucky and it could have ended up a lot worse. Lifejackets should be worn all the time.
But what if you can swim??
My grandfather had an Egg Harbor, kids were always required to wear life jackets but adults were not. Everyone near were the life jackets were though and were easily accessible should something even seem just a little bit off.
@@emisha1425you clearly don’t know the first thing about boats and boating safety.
@@sothedramallama it was a question Carlyyyyy
..you clearly need to get a life, instead of being the UA-cam Gestapo lollll. Writing paragraphs over a 5 minute UA-cam video everyone will forget once its over
Well I have been boating my whole life, much of it offshore from Cape Point and the east coast, there getting out through big surf. I have never worn a lifejacket nor got into any trouble at sea. I suppose I was just lucky over a thousand or so trips to sea, some of them 100 miles and more.
I have traveled through the Point Pleasant canal more times than I can remember. Back around 1971 or 72, my dad took our 23 wooden inboard through the canal during a tidal rush as bad as this. We had too many on board, not enough life jackets and it scared the crap out of everyone, especially my brother who was in 2nd grade at the time. We camped out in Barnegat Bay after getting through and waited for slack tide to make it back to the Manasquan River. We did much better than this boat as ours was seaworthy. But we learned a valuable lesson. As for this video, all captain error and 100% avoidable. The captain is always responsible. Know your boat, how to operate it, its limits, the waters you seek to travel, and always be looking out for your passengers.
unfortunatly its probably long past time we required mandatory boat licensing and courses. And not something boat stores run to make it easy to get one. You know the rules or you don't. That guy could have killed those kids in chop like that despite the life jackets.
@@loganholmberg2295 Hey, if you wanna mandate things, you can pay for it too. How about since people drown in their own bathtubs we make you pass a water safety course? I'm not against safety, just more laws/government intervention I don't see working all that well. I'd be ok putting up more warning signs on boat inlets that are so clear there's no way anyone would ever miss them. You can't mandate/legislate common sense, and I think the government intervenes enough already in our lives.
Is the canal always like that? Grew up in Jersey/Toms River but didn't have a boat.
How is water choppy like that in a canal? I thought canals are flat calm water.
@@Slice151 Rushing tide and boats creating wake, which bounces off the side walls all work in combination to create the conditions.
The Alumacraft was a good example of weight distribution…
Looks like a relaxing day on the water.
The kid bailing with a small plastic cup. He's got the hope we all need.
if you watch him, he recognizes that they are in trouble before the operator (skippy) does and goes back and starts breaking out the life jackets.
I used to sail on a lake further up in North Jersey. the most we ever had were one foot waves , but one thing I always made sure of: anybody in that sailboat had their life jackets on before I pushed off.
I've worked on just about every house along that canal in the 30+ yrs and I can say without question this isn't the first or last time. This canal is no joke. During tide change that little thing wouldn't have enough engine to go upstream.
I remember crossing a lake in a tri-hull with my two buddies and their uncle driving. We were all in the back with preservers on while the boat was nose diving into the waves. We were barely moving and the waves would crash against the windshield and wash off the sides. If uncle tried to give it any throttle the waves came up OVER the windshield and into the boat! Bad decision by uncle who convinced us it was safe to go home in the storm. What normally was a 10 minute boat ride turned into a 90 minute terror ride!
Officer of the deck, submerge the ship! Aye Sir, submerge the ship!
Oh yes the classic "put the lifejackets on when the boat is already sinking".
I,went on a cruise ship and they did a drill for us to put on life vests but they also said we didn’t need to wear them unless we started to sink then they would tell us to put them on 🤣🤣🤣. I’m not an idiot I wore mine the whole trip.
florida man never disappoints
its crazy to me to me that almost all of these boats are coming through trimmed all the way down. trim it up, Its an easy thing to do that can make the passage much safer, and drier
What is even more astounding is that nearly all of these morons have ZERO clue how to properly operate a watercraft, and are legally allowed to do so!
Boating in America is like being in rush hour traffic with 12 year olds behind the wheel of every car!!!
If everyone knew that this channel would not exist
Just as the first cops on the scene did. Clearly they've done this before.
100% correct
The kid bailing water with the cup made my day.
That little kid right in the front was having a good time right before his dad turned the boat into a submarine
Hey wavy keep on making these absolutely great videos!
More on the way! Thnxs for watching! 🙌
Completely avoidable. This “captain” should not have been out in these conditions in this lake boat with all of those passengers onboard. 100% “captains” fault. They’re all lucky.
It's a channel with out going tide, not a lake
Nothing has to do the vessel, it’s all about the Captain only amateurs will say “it’s a lake boat”
@@gonzaloviglino2305 it matters not if you call a that Sea Ray a lake boat or a river boat or a pond boat This low bow boat was designed for small water not these conditions. That is an absurdly difficult sea state for that size and configuration of boat, it is too easy for a less than expert operator to stuff it. I always say the boat needs to better than the operator, as most small vessel recreational boaters are not experienced enough for poor conditions.
@@derjaeger3321 the biggest waves of my life I saw them on a lake
@@gonzaloviglino2305 Yes it depends on the lake, shallow lakes can get snotty. But the Ocean, tricky inlet or tidal bar is no place for a 18ft bow-rider. U less the conditions are calm and the tides are with you.
Now they put their life jackets on! I grew up in Fla and went fishing in the lake and on the ocean. My father knew how to read the channels, waters conditions, weather and never took chances. As soon as we stepped into the boat, life preservers went on.
Showed my husband. His family lived for the water every chance they got. Lake, river, reservoir, sea, ocean. FIL was navy, taught my hubs, and he got to drive all the boats at lake Powell. He said this was preventable bit you have to do it right, find that sweet spot that's not too fast not too slow, and weight distribution is always our first rule when we get in a vessel,
Love the way she tips the beer away over the side so she doesn't get the inside of the boat wet 🤣
It's probably a force of habit to not get the inside wet. Lol but I get what you mean lol
Bailing with a Dixie cup...gonna be a while buddy...Some folks shouldn't be allowed near a boat!
He must have been the captain
@@Stevesbe no the “captain “ was busy putting water in the boat.
I’d say pilot error. Trim up and keep more weight in the back. Hit those swells on a 45, not head on. And don’t overload the boat.
Wow, that must have been terrifying for those kids in the bow, being completely covered in water like that.
You gotta love the Mum getting rid of the Beer over the side 😂😂😂😂😂
She poured out her drink real quick 🤣🤣😂🤣🤣🤣😂🤣🤣
I live and grew up here. It’s in theory a no wake zone but at full rip (which it was) it’s quite sporty as the boats heading up current kick up big wake just to make headway. Traveling down current is actually more dangerous in these conditions (as this boat was). Couple that with full weekend traffic makes for some very rough conditions. Right by the bridge in that video there’s a massive hole (drops about 15 feet). In this case, definitely captain error. Wrong boat for the conditions, and you definitely don’t slow down. Best bet coming into a trough is to kick the speed up a bit to get the bow up. And you definitely get everyone off the bow, to keep weight towards the stern. I find it rough in my 21’ Mako, which is far more seaworthy than that thing, and my kids are life jacketed always.
For the second boat, should that have been going faster then? To stay on top on the waves? Seems like it would be challenging with a no wake zone, but then if everyone made wakes the water would be even worse. BTW legit questions, I mostly do lakes. Just asking to learn something.
A former marine state police told me once, it is technically no wake (you can get a ticket for traveling at speed), but at least down current you’re not going to make much wake, and you are allowed to handle your boat safely, even if it does create some wake. In general, it’s the up current boats that generate the swell you see, and I get it, as you can get pushed around by the waves, so you need some power for control.
Edit: As for the second boat, assuming you mean the Key West, yes you do need to bump the throttle to kick the bow up. Slowing down, as he did, can actually hurt. It’s not a constant higher speed, but instead working the throttle to keep control.
The boat is full of water before anybody has even looked for a flotation device.
Leave your lake boats at home.
Yep. Love the one dude that was more interested in retrieving the ice chest than getting the kids in life jackets.
Wonder how many of those kids will never get on a boat again after this experience? Same for next boat with kids upfront screaming.
Only amateurs blame the vessel
@@gonzaloviglino2305 I have raced in the ocean with shorter, lower profile boats than this. I know what an amateur looks like.
The answer to the mystery boat question is right there on it's hull side. It's a Palm Beach, built by Marine Manufacturing Incorporated in Douglas, GA.
What was the captain thinking . There were children on board. Today is 2 september 2022. Greetings from Belgium
Ahh. Good old 'Joisey'
The owner of the boat that puts the lives of their passengers at risk because they don’t have the knowledge on how to handle a boat in rough currents and waves should be arrested for this stupidity.
Ok..from the expert
But this is still America, isn't it?
That little alumacraft did great. Took on zero water.
Lucky Trumpster..
Save America
I was there when it sunk, the police dragged it to the sandbar on treasure island, no one was harmed or hurt too which is good. It was super crazy, I was just swimming with a friend on my dads boat😂, hope I explained it well!
Treasure island is awesome
I was there too. 8 people drowned
@@bosshog8844 What!?! From what I saw nobody drowned and nobody was hurt they just went under the water. Are you sure you were there?
Keep going.... describe how dumb the captain looked. 9 people on a boat designed for 6.
The captain must be the last one to get off the boat.
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Somehow, regardless of the sea state, a small Boston Whaler appears in most of these videos having no issues (and no stuffing). Is it because they are amazing boats (they are), because they attract more experienced captains, or both? Do not recall having seen many a Boston Whaler stuffing, regardless of size.
The mountauk is arguably the best small rough water boat ever made
I think you're right about experienced Captains. This video reminded me of the handful of times we rode a 15 ft Whaler through this Inlet through chop. Our "Captain", a 17/18 year old knew what they were doing. And we had life preservers on! I will never go through an Inlet without one. And yes I hate to wear one. 😊
@@jonnyballgame34 I Had A 190. Amazing build and flotation. But not comfortable in short chop. Not deep enough V. But it can handle more than most Captains.
@@jonnyballgame34 the original center console
Something about a water rescue/ response i find so fascinating. No matter who is at fault or what caused it, I always find it neat to see these neat (very expensive) police, CG, marine patrol boats speed to a scene. Even my local SeaTow is a great part to a rescue. And can't forget near by civilian boats often ready to assist and often the closest ones.
all those boats are rigid inflatables. cant beat their buoyancy, but definitely costly to maintain
boat seems overloaded
What a dope driving the boat.
That tinny with the tiller Manoeuvred better than anybody
Him and the Whaler earlier.
Can't imagine what it cost to insure a boat down there. Glad everyone is ok.
I have only learned about this canal on UA-cam and it gives me nightmares!! I would hope the locals know about this before going through it. Why they do not have PFD on all children drives me crazy and especially not knowing where they are in their own boat. Even though everyone is safe these kids are going to live with this nightmare for a very long time. They are lucky they only lost the boat!!
Captain error! Absolutely!
My brother has a 17 foot Searay bow rider. We have crossed the Rogue river bar many times.
Nobody, at any time crossing the bar or in rough seas is forward of the windshield. EVERYBODY wears a lifejacket!
And trim is used to elevate the bow. I can't understand these guys tactics.
I have taken a 15' stick steer boat in much worse conditions and never had a single issue!
I even did so with no trim on the motor!!!!
I always wear a lifejacket through this Inlet and on the Ocean. I don't like it but I do. Respect the Ocean.
Great video Wavy, this is a great place for live action !
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The captain is always responsible. He left 4 people in front instead of moving them in the back. He didn't adjust his speed. I was out on a boat all the time as a kid. I drove our boat a lot. I knew better than that guy.
I never put my littles in the front during rough water. I was terrified watching that thinking they were going to go over and get hit by the prop :(
They were probably told. to hang on for dear life. So at the least I'd expect them to be washed over ,but them hanging on, and pulling their shoulders out or breaking an arm.
Unfortunately this guy isn't as wise as you. I used to be a Coastal Patrol Volunteer. Seeing these videos makes me upset.
Pretty sure the guy driving (I'm not going to call him a skipper, cause that would be giving him too much credit), looked like he was trying to sink it. Kept on at the same speed despite the fact water was pouring into the boat. These police should have fined him, and banned him from using motorised ANYTHING ever again
Insurance job, hey?
Definitely “captain” error, that is if you can even call him a captain. He basically did everything wrong!
Some of these smaller boats look like they are designed to scoop up water unless they are trimmed " down by the stern". As one person commented, they are more for lakes and rivers and can't handle rough stuff especially when overloaded. Even the bigger boats get a good old slamming.
You really provide us with a never ending supply of bad boating, thank you for that! ;-)
And there's a huge difference between that open bow and the center console believe it or not. The water runs out of the center console about as fast as it runs in. It's made for it.
Not an area I am familiar with, but I grew up on an island in Southeast Alaska and am very familiar with boats. I would agree with most here that this was captain error. After the second big wave he should have throttled back and redistributed his weight. By the time he plowed 3 or 4 waves it was too late to do much.
@ 0:23 I love how the adults in the back are just oblivious to what's happening to those kids 🤨
Yeah, then she dumps her beer and they toss the cooler.
There was someone at the helm but was there a captain onboard?
I like the way the mom as soon as she sees the boat sinking and hears the siren doesn’t go for the life jackets until she’s emptied out her beer!🤣 Priorities ! Obviously there were too many people up front - this was pure amateur hour mixed with I’m sure a lot of beer . I hope they breathalyzed the captain.I also loved how the guy not behind the wheel decides to go for the cooler instead of getting jackets on his family. Again priorities!
TOTALY Captain error! Trim all the way down when it should have been up keeping the bow up and no clue of how to handle wake. This guy has NO business being on the water!
I agree 100% : unless someone has decades of experience on the water, then they have no business on the water getting experience... only the experienced should be allowed to experience!
@@TRUCKER_TRUCKER your point is valid as the only way to get experience is through action. That boat should have been trimmed up and passengers should have been in the rear. The worst part is that family will probably be scared away from boating.
New boaters should enlist an experienced friend to help teach them. I have been mentoring my buddy and his kid for a while now and they havent even launched the boat outside of their private pond/lake. I gave them my old boat and made them get their boater safety as a prerequisite to giving it to them.
@@OttoTheWeim good for you! Probably saved life..
Captain is ALWAYS responsible for the crew/passengers. He could of stopped before the 2nd stuffing and moved those kids to the stern and trimmed up his engine.
Actually you would want to trim the engines down to raise the bow , If he had trim tabs they should be in the up position in these conditions
- ...could *have*.
Once the boat is that swamped, what is the best option to do? Is there anything to do? Would bilge pump ever pump it out?
Bilge pump will eventually get it out as long as more is not coming in. You can throw the boat in reverse to keep the bow from taking on more water once it is swamped. But he should have been on trim to keep his bow up and been going faster. Plowing his bow was avoidable in the first place. There is a sweet spot speed and angle of attack when you are in big swells.
Trim the motor so that the bow rides high up, on half a plane, and hope that the water is not too deep to swamp the boat before the bow-up angle can drain the water by gravity out of the rear scuppers. Not a good situation to be in to begin with - but that's the best shot at staying afloat if it happens, IMO.
@@kathmandu1575 that boat def doesnt have scuppers
Omg, the river has a very strong flow
I don't know anything about boating, but my question is, what could the captain have done to prevent that incident
Avoidable. Boat was over loaded anyway.
Never trimmed the motor or move people to the back
Any boat that has a downward sloping bow belongs only in a stupid design museum
Why is the most important part of this scenario cut from the video with no update on what happened to the boat? Did it sink, etc? Very frustrating as a viewer.
I was thinking the same! They never showed the boat again?
The Boat was salvaged and towed in. This took a long time and happened hours after we left unfortunately.
Don’t think Mr Bobby Brown has paid for anything, doesn’t deserve an update for his “frustration”
@@jasonarcher6901 money does not equal good story telling. Additionally, this is UA-cam, a free platform. The video simply needed a text update explaining what happened to the boat. Would have taken less than 2 minutes to do the work to put it into the video.
Who cares the boat was a pos
Titanic reenactment with captain Jethro Bodine !
She poured out that beer real quick!!
That's not a boat, it's a submarine!
Certainly has the right shape for submarining. I don't get that drooping nose at all. Even if meant for lakes, it still seems to me like an odd design choice.
@@joesterling4299 Maybe to see over the significant bow rise when trying to get on plane? Certainly a piss poor design for a rough water channel.
This being a no-wake zone makes this really hard for boats like this(besides front loading them). It seems like after first wave if he pushed it hard he could have gotten bow up and made it in to calm water and let the bilge pump do its thing. No overboard drain means you looking at 18 gallons a minute out the bilge with what could have been 100 gallons.. 5 minutes+ is a long time when in panic mode
I agree it’s impossible for this to be a no-wake zone
Seen many lake boats in the canal. 6 people in the front doesn’t help
Interesting they call this a no wake zone when mother nature is creating 3 - 4 footers all by herself. Understandable when the tide is slack.
This so called "captain" should have gone to jail for child endangerment.
Both of the men looked clueless when the water started pouring in.
No wake doesn't mean you can't make a wake...it's means as slow as you can go without stuffing the bow and swamping your bowrider. If you have to give a little throttle to keep from stuffing, then that's your no wake speed.
A true Captain knows safety comes first and would actually outsmart the standard “no wake” sign, it’s not about following the rules is about understanding the environment of the rules
the boat was not on plane capt error.... kids in the bow capt error....not enough life vests on board capt error.....threw a cooler of beer/liquor overboard capt error
It's a no wake zone, and it was to rough for the speed it would require to stay on plane. He should have throttled up just enough to push the bow up in the air, without people sitting in the bow.
@@Stephen85 at least we agree it wasn't a mechanical error
Second boat! Perfect as best possible. Bravo Zulu skipper
Shout out to the two boats who saw a sinking boat and a police boat trying to help them and said nah, we gotta get home before the big game. That is how you know you're up north. Well... that and the fact that the captain scuttled the ship lol.
Considering the 'captain' was letting his young son drive through the inlet (looks like
Lol boats have drivers side on the right side in America it definitely wasn’t the kid driving it was the two male adults at the helm
how did you manage to miss the actual boat sinking etc ? what happened to the boat ?? I am baffled..
That boat ended going under. Hope he shut motor off when the cowling was submerged.
I too feel your frustration lol wtf lol. Is there a legal reason ? I don’t know
There was a caption that the boat drifted out of view of the camera.
@@volvo09 I mean what was more important to film at that moment ??
@@volvo09 Yeah, I saw that. It still baffles me why the cameraman let the main subject of the video drift out of the camera's frame.
1000% captains fault. Completely avoidable. Didn’t know himself or boats capabilities and failed to give a safety briefing before departing.
Beautiful day to go out boating.
love the guy with the cup lol
2:22 dude using a paper cup to bail water
I laughed hard at that guy!! Keep going buddy, you almost got it!!
Freakin' boat is half submerged and nobody thinks to reach for the pfd's?
There's alot of neglectful parents on these boats!
Ya there is! Their parental rights should be stripped for allowing the POSSIBILTY OF DANGER! we all know "WHAT IF" Is a very real thing that must not be allowed.
The guys in the trump boat remind me of the time a buddy and I went out the mouth of the puyallup river, into the sound, got completely 100% wet in about 10 seconds, kept going out for a minute or so, then turned around and surfed back in, between two waves, with the bow about an inch from being submerged into the wave at the tip of the bow…basically our bow was right at the trough of the wave, for quite some distance…suuuuper sketch..the weather was bad that day…
You where lucky.
Good job sir
Haha
Love the scramble to find life jackets
Always bring a bucket with you on any watercraft lol
Love the baling out with a cup!
I had a few nice boats, no more, but why don't they CAPTAINS trim up the front of the boat ??? any idea ???