Is Windows on ARM Finally Ready? Surface Laptop 7 13.8" Snapdragon X Elite Review

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  • @scaryifliteral
    @scaryifliteral  3 місяці тому +4

    Typo at 15:52. Don't *judge* me lol
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  • @theslimshadyist
    @theslimshadyist 3 місяці тому +28

    I have the 7, I was skeptical but the performance and battery life far exceeded my expectations!

    • @james_ogle
      @james_ogle 3 місяці тому

      Did you get the plus or elite, also what is your workflow like and avg battery life?

  • @ahmad.mozaffar
    @ahmad.mozaffar 3 місяці тому +7

    I got this machine as soon as it was released, IT'S THE BEST PURCHASE.
    Super fast, super neat, gentle, and battery life is just crazy, in the last weekend I managed 22 hours of a single charge, just make sure to set the Display Frame Rate to 60hz instead of 120hz if you want to surpass the 15 hours

  • @stabina
    @stabina 2 місяці тому +2

    One of the most useful reviews I've watched tbh. Kudos

  • @SY-zv2cz
    @SY-zv2cz 3 місяці тому +18

    I think most of these reviews are just focusing on a very narrow use case. Photo editing, video editing and couple of useless benchmarks like geekbench and cinebench.
    For a professional user or a serious laptop user there are many things that we look for.
    Example, software development, compilers, IDEs, various plugins for IDEs/ browsers, 3D modelling (AutoCAD (with various plugins)/Solidworks).
    Use of common hardware that we plug into these laptops - example common *printers*/*scanners*, *bluetooth devices* like headsets, mikes, keyboard, mice, external drives, external GPUs, USB security keys,
    Common software that we use like VPN, Vnc client/servers, antivirus software like mcafee norton etc. We need to now how many of these works and how many dont. It will be really useful if you could do a review with these. People wont be interested in sparing 1.5k or more on these and get stuck every once in a while with compatibility issues.

    • @scaryifliteral
      @scaryifliteral  3 місяці тому +3

      I focused on the things that I do with my laptops. If those things don't align with what you do, that's unfortunate. Hopefully you find a reviewer that fits you better.
      I will say that there is a default printer driver that is used if the printer in question isn't compatible. I've not had or used a printer in nearly a decade, so I can't say for sure. I've had no issues with bluetooth devices like mice nor have I had issues with external storage.
      I've heard that some VPN apps won't open due to Prism not really knowing what to do with them. Like the printer question, I've not used an antivirus in well over a decade.
      Perhaps a video of just doing simple basic things would be useful though as people do seem to have questions like these that I didn't assume needed to be answered. Thanks for the input.

    • @SY-zv2cz
      @SY-zv2cz 3 місяці тому +1

      @@scaryifliteral I think your laptop use case is very specific mostly focused on video editing/content creation. When most people like me look for a laptop, we have a very broad use case and that will require occasional printing, connecting to vpn and so forth. For windows, I think most of us who are scared of viruses and malware will look for antivirus. But if you are buying these as a second laptop that you want to use for video editing or watching netflix, then this looks awesome. I think both intel and AMD are going to release their newer processors that are said to beat qualcomm in performance and efficiency. Maybe we should wait for those before jumping into the qualcomm bandwagon.

    • @DJ_Driven
      @DJ_Driven 3 місяці тому +1

      We deployed some surface X units and still not compatible with Duo and Sentinel one so we had to scrap that and go with Surface Pro 9 at the time. Plus could not get Adobe Reader to run and various HP and Canon copier units had to run out of the ordinary print drivers to get them to function.

    • @jpf1978
      @jpf1978 3 місяці тому +3

      All tech reviewers think that everyone edits videos on laptop while it's only 1%. And all phone reviews are 75% about the camera yet in blind test it's never the ones they praise that wins.

  • @natjes6017
    @natjes6017 3 місяці тому +4

    Great review of a very nice laptop!
    As I´ve gone to the dark side from iphone to Pixel, maybe when it´s time to retire my beloved Apple M1 Pro I´ll be able to leave and go to the VERY dark side 😁

  • @markk2745
    @markk2745 2 місяці тому

    pretty darn good review from somebody that comes off as a normal person and not a tech reviewer.

  • @asdqqq846
    @asdqqq846 3 місяці тому +2

    Watching this on my Surface Laptop 7 and I second most of your points.
    Usually I am not a matte screen type. But having the Surface Laptop 7 next to the Samsung Galaxy Book4 Edge I must say that the coating on the Samsung is definately better. Its in some occasion just to reflective.
    I am not worried about that as I will buy a glas screen protector once they get available soon anyways to protect the screen and there I will just look for a slightly matte protector.
    As the screen does not have a rubber seal around and the glas of the screen is literally in contact with the paln rest I would suggest a screen protector in general. Once i closed the lid i heard a crunchy noise ans after opening it I saw a small particle on the paln rest.
    One thing I would love them to improve though. While this is for sure one of the best Touchpads on any Windows laptop and even compared to the Apple Magic Trackpad prefer this new Sensel touchpad that Microsoft put into this Surface Laptop if there wasnt one issue.
    When you scroll to swipe with two fingers and while you are scrolling up or down lift your fingers ususally the screen keeps scrolling a bit longer, depending on how fast you scrolled. On this Sensel haptic touchpad when the fingers are only in contact with the touchpad for too little (like half a centimeter or maybe 1.5 cm) and then while still scrolling up lift your fingers the page will abruptly stop scrolling. I tried with different swiping speeds without any luck. It was mostly the same behavious. Only when i swipe for like 1/3 or maybe even 1/2 of the touchpad height the page keeps scolling afterwards.
    I double checked with several Windows Laptops and also with my Macbook Pro with the M1 processor and all of them behaved like i expected. They kept scrolling even with short scrolling motions.
    And it kinda makes sense to me. Imagine putting a piece of paper on the table and push it up with your finger. Depending how fast you push the finger once you lift the finger up while still moving up the paper will continue to move. Sure with a paper on a table you have physical resistance but what I am getting ad is that the length your finger where pushing up do not matter (mostly) only the speed you make the gesture brings "force" into the paper and makes the paper continue to move. There is no threshold your finger needs to be in contact with the paper to put enough energy into it to keep moving.
    On reddit I already DMed SenselInc (the company who build the touchpads) and hope they will adapt the drivers.
    Curious if you can second my findings with the scrolling.

    • @asdqqq846
      @asdqqq846 3 місяці тому

      Maybe I should add that the touchpad was one of the biggest reason for me to getting this device. In general I like the ARM direction with the good battery life, low heat and therefore basically silent devices with more or less the same performance on battery and plugged in. But the first hours using the touchpad made me nearly ship it back and maybe look for a different device.
      However after knowing I have to swipe a bit longer to get it scrolling smoothly is helping me get used to this touchpad. That being said I would love Sensel/Microsoft adjust the drivers. That would make this device even more perfect.

    • @scaryifliteral
      @scaryifliteral  3 місяці тому

      If I scroll quickly I do have a small amount of momentum

    • @asdqqq846
      @asdqqq846 3 місяці тому

      @@scaryifliteral even if the finger movement is just for like 1/8 of the size of the surface of the touchpad? (No pun intended :D)

    • @scaryifliteral
      @scaryifliteral  3 місяці тому

      Only on larger more sweeping swipes

    • @asdqqq846
      @asdqqq846 3 місяці тому

      @@scaryifliteral up, thats what i mean. If i scroll for maybe an inch or more it swipes like any other touchpad. If the movement is to small it gets little to no momentum and it feels just not natural. First because all other synaptic touchpads that (all?) other Windows Laptops use behave differently as well as the Magic Trackpad from Apple. But also compared to the example with the paper on a table, or think about a coin, no matter how short i flick those objects as long as the speed is great enough it will put momentum into the object.
      I can only encourage people go to Sensel/Microsoft and give feedback on this. I get used to it a bit but I would still prefer it if they change the driver behaviour.
      You can check what happens if you scroll using the touchscreen. There even with short finger flicks the page gets enough momentum to continue scrolling. So its not a general application/Windows issue.

  • @bicillinjw
    @bicillinjw 3 місяці тому +1

    I have had the elite for a few days now and am noticing that there is a fair amount of ghosting even with the 120Hz VRR set. Just move the mouse cursor over a black or gray seen. Also with scrolling. Im fine with it being LED, glossy, but the ghosting is a bummer.

    • @itsacookie1
      @itsacookie1 3 місяці тому

      That's unfortunate. The MBP 120hz also has ghosting/slow response time issues as well but neither are gaming monitors. It just limits the usefulness of the high refresh rate.

    • @bicillinjw
      @bicillinjw 3 місяці тому

      @@itsacookie1 right!

  • @agoogleuser7147
    @agoogleuser7147 3 місяці тому +2

    Has anyone else noticed issues using surface dock 2 with their SL7? I use the dock with 2 23" 1080p monitors. I have never had issues with surface pro x, surface pro 7, or surface pro 9 with this setup. The surface laptop 7 to date I've noticed:
    One of monitors display resolution gets changed after working/set-up correctly.
    One of monitors gets changed from 'extend to duplicate'
    its been inconsistent since I received the device (and I have updated the new surface driver update yesterday).
    what seems to fix is either reboot, or also unplugging and reattaching the surface dock connector. I suspect its a surface dock 2 issue??
    just looking to see if anyone else having similar display issues

  • @latinreuben
    @latinreuben Місяць тому

    Since ive been looking, i have not seen any sales on it & that's a big deal. Cannot rationalize paying full price. Bec BB had MBP m3 pro for $1500 (500 savings), i went with that.

  • @AndroidDigest
    @AndroidDigest 3 місяці тому +1

    If you want to open it, it has 4 screws on the bottom, the bottom cover pops off, it's literally magnetic. Battery is easily replaceable, same for the SSD.

    • @scaryifliteral
      @scaryifliteral  3 місяці тому

      I saw that it was much easier to repair which is really cool.

  • @jasonkwh8723
    @jasonkwh8723 3 місяці тому +1

    Can you make another video which comparisons between x86 software which works fine which doesn't work? Especially bluestacks 😅 does it work fine?

  • @CF542
    @CF542 3 місяці тому +3

    I'm pleased to see Microsoft staying the course with ARM based laptops and Windows. I'm currently rocking a Framework laptop that is simply fantastic, otherwise I'd consider one of these new ARM based ones.

  • @LazyPCRehab
    @LazyPCRehab 3 місяці тому

    I ended up returning my Surface Laptop 7 and going with a 2024 G14, mainly for the power/ports/stability.

    • @scaryifliteral
      @scaryifliteral  3 місяці тому +5

      Stability is something I didn't even think to talk about because it's been a non-issue for me. Zero crashes, hangs of any sort. Worst I've seen is an emulated app running a touch slower. Were you seeing worse?

    • @petrm2234
      @petrm2234 3 місяці тому

      @@scaryifliteral how did you use? because I see problem in almost each soft without arm support

    • @scaryifliteral
      @scaryifliteral  3 місяці тому +1

      I've run about a half dozen games, benchmarks, two video edits (both x86), OBS, probably more.

    • @petrm2234
      @petrm2234 3 місяці тому

      @@scaryifliteral mmm classical daily using, maybe try vivaldi browser and keepassXC for example, or android studio with emulator

    • @LazyPCRehab
      @LazyPCRehab 3 місяці тому

      @@scaryifliteral Yeah, everything seemed in order, but I just wasn't incredibly impressed. I think this is a great start and look forward to the platform maturing. I would love to see an ARM Surface Laptop Go and Surface Go.

  • @mattiasanderssonSWE
    @mattiasanderssonSWE 3 місяці тому +1

    Question about CapCut. Are you using ver 4.0 or 3.9? I could not get 4.0 to work, CapCut crashes after 15 sec or so... Ver 3.9 works though but it looks like the video decoding on the GPU is not being used at all - so one has to create proxy files for smoother playback.
    Asking for a dear friend (Galaxy Book4 Edge) 🙂Cheers from Sweden!

    • @scaryifliteral
      @scaryifliteral  3 місяці тому +1

      4.0 works fine for me. The ARM version in the store fails to open.

    • @mattiasanderssonSWE
      @mattiasanderssonSWE 3 місяці тому

      @@scaryifliteral The opposite for me then... If I download the app on the website, that one failes... But the microsoft store version works... But you run the x86 version, right?

    • @scaryifliteral
      @scaryifliteral  3 місяці тому +1

      Very strange.. the 4.0 x86 version from their website is the one working for me.

    • @mattiasanderssonSWE
      @mattiasanderssonSWE 3 місяці тому

      @@scaryifliteral Huge thanks for the reply 🙂Much appreciated!

  • @GusBougadis
    @GusBougadis 3 місяці тому +2

    Nice review Shane. I have an apple 🍎 MacBook Air 💻 M1 and a Microsoft surface go. I’ll be looking at the surface laptop 💻 7 or surface pro 11 soon.

  • @DavidFerreiraG
    @DavidFerreiraG 3 місяці тому +1

    What is the opening range? Can I open it to 180⁰?

  • @MadafakinRio
    @MadafakinRio 3 місяці тому

    Hey Shane, can you post an update if you figure out that beta driver? Maybe some comparisons? Also are you using that "Ultra Performance" power plan that's hidden by default? It gives you 5-10% more performance if I recall correctly.

    • @scaryifliteral
      @scaryifliteral  3 місяці тому

      Contemplating the beta driver. Just used Best Performance.

  • @ricardonogueira6473
    @ricardonogueira6473 3 місяці тому +4

    No OLED option, what a bummer.

  • @ricarmig
    @ricarmig 3 місяці тому

    They would offer ARM and AMD Ryzen AI chips, it would be about time to give more options besides Intel…

  • @fnthm
    @fnthm Місяць тому

    Excellent review! Can't believe the amount of stupid comments (and commenters) Are they Apple trolls?

  • @kielvostro
    @kielvostro 3 місяці тому +2

    This is why I avoid touchscreen on laptops. It's really glary.

  • @morm2173
    @morm2173 2 місяці тому

    Shane can you review the book 4 pro 360 and book 4 ultra ?

    • @scaryifliteral
      @scaryifliteral  2 місяці тому

      That's a lotttt of money lol

    • @morm2173
      @morm2173 2 місяці тому

      @@scaryifliteral it's OK just thr book 4 pto 360 16 gb ram

  • @VVesIey
    @VVesIey 3 місяці тому

    Which tool do you use to open gemini with the copilot key? im using gemini side panel extension but its slow and reloads the whole page each time its pressed.

    • @scaryifliteral
      @scaryifliteral  3 місяці тому

      Microsoft Power Toys. I remapped the key to open the web page.

    • @doubly_negative
      @doubly_negative 3 місяці тому

      @@scaryifliteral Microsoft is teeth gritting looking at your blasphemous deed!

  • @raytsang250
    @raytsang250 3 місяці тому +2

    So Surface Laptop 7 touch screen does not support Surface Pen? Can someone confirm this?

    • @Btburkhardt
      @Btburkhardt 3 місяці тому +1

      Correct.

    • @theslimshadyist
      @theslimshadyist 3 місяці тому +1

      Confirmed.

    • @raytsang250
      @raytsang250 3 місяці тому +3

      that's too bad. I use Surface Pen heavily everyday. I like the slim bezels of Surface Laptop 7 but not supporting Surface Pen is holding me back now.

  • @kratafila
    @kratafila 3 місяці тому +1

    Microsoft is way ahead of the AI game with its Copilot and NPU features integration already. And the Recall and live video dubbing will come too soo. Curious about third party developers how they are going to take advantage on it and the 12 cores. I think Windows is less close and not sandboxed like the macos. So probably it will be easier. Anyways, exciting times. I hope a lot of people going to buy arm windows computers and MS will take it seriously this time. It would help if they would stop supporting x86 like Apple but nobody wants that and it will simply not gonna happen. If the chip price can be cheaper than the Intel / AMD then it will be a clear winner.

  • @wixadixa1
    @wixadixa1 3 місяці тому +1

    Could You check if metatrader 4 windows trading platform working on it PLEASE?🎉

    • @scaryifliteral
      @scaryifliteral  3 місяці тому +2

      I have no idea what I'm looking at, but it opens.

    • @wixadixa1
      @wixadixa1 3 місяці тому +1

      @@scaryifliteral thank You so much 💪

  • @aljosacebokli
    @aljosacebokli 3 місяці тому

    "it's an expensive device at 1299$"....
    Cries in my shortlist of gaming laptops to pick from, where "cheap" is about 1.5k £.

  • @FuzeFyreGreenFerret
    @FuzeFyreGreenFerret 3 місяці тому

    Arm is "fine" with the average user. But as a gamer, its waaaaay behind in terms of performance. Gaming on arm wont be a thing for another 10 years i believe because games these days are demanding, so they have to adopt the method early for compatibility. Basically, older games "may" run fine, (like you showed). However newer ganes won't be optimized at all. At least not yet . When the hardware carches up itll be fine. Finally, newer games need to adopt the Arm architecture ASAP in order for it all to work. This is just my theory.

    • @scaryifliteral
      @scaryifliteral  3 місяці тому +3

      I can't imagine anybody buying one of these laptops for gaming, but it can absolutely do it. You just have to have reasonable expectations about what's going to be playable and what isn't.
      While I'm skeptical that we will ever live in a world where every game is compiled for ARM, I do think that the hardware is going to get fast enough that a good compatibility layer will allow for some pretty damn good experiences and I don't think it's going to take 10 years to do that. The leap forward we just saw is colossal.

    • @asdqqq846
      @asdqqq846 3 місяці тому +1

      Yup these are obviously not gaming focused devices. No laptop without a dedicated GPU on Windows would be considered gaming as fara as i know.
      So like shane said you need the right expectations. These are thin and light devices with great battery life and good performance (same when plugged in and when running on battery which is also kind of a first in the windows world).

    • @doomtomb3
      @doomtomb3 3 місяці тому

      I think the gaming gap will close sooner than you think

    • @asdqqq846
      @asdqqq846 3 місяці тому

      @@doomtomb3 That might be true to some extend. Let the adreno drivers grow a bit and some more games release for ARM and then there might be quite alot of games that you could do.
      But a dedicated GPU will obviously better at running games still. But there might be some ARM laptops with a dedicated GPU in the future as well, who knows.

    • @scaryifliteral
      @scaryifliteral  3 місяці тому

      Beta drivers are already looking promising.

  • @MJK0627
    @MJK0627 3 місяці тому

    Very good and informative video.

  • @leakyabstraction
    @leakyabstraction 3 місяці тому

    Wow, the webcam was horrifyingly bad. How come? Do manufacturers realize how many meetings people need to attend these days?

  • @Ketsuafureskit
    @Ketsuafureskit 3 місяці тому

    Linguists call it Majestatis singularis.

  • @Whynotads-n2t
    @Whynotads-n2t 3 місяці тому

    Dongle town GPU?

    • @Whynotads-n2t
      @Whynotads-n2t 3 місяці тому

      Microsoft usually has surface system image line up heavily customized. Would you geek into it? The recovery image.

  • @SimSimSimmer
    @SimSimSimmer 3 місяці тому

    Gonna buy it as soon as it supports Microsoft Flight Simulator. 😅😅

    • @Gravage
      @Gravage 3 місяці тому

      At like 480p?

    • @scaryifliteral
      @scaryifliteral  3 місяці тому

      And upscaled with Super Resolution 👍

  • @lightechoes
    @lightechoes 3 місяці тому +1

    Rounded corners on the screen of the monitor is a huuuuuuuge huuuuuuge no from me. I want every single pixel.

  • @RamisDad
    @RamisDad 3 місяці тому

    Here's my review of the surface laptop 7 15: bought two units and neither could stay reliably connected to wifi. Returned both. Consider yourself warned. Could not stay connected for more than 5 minutes.

  • @Fyahking619
    @Fyahking619 2 місяці тому

    I need 16x9 or 16x10 to warch youtibe and Netflix.

    • @scaryifliteral
      @scaryifliteral  2 місяці тому

      If you take a 16:9 screen and just add height to it, all you're doing is adding more black bar. The video doesn't change size. You're just adding screen that isn't used in that specific scenario, that will be used in virtually every other way. To me, prioritizing 16:9 content makes no sense.

  • @rousing22
    @rousing22 3 місяці тому +1

    Still no google drive for desktop? Deal breaker

    • @scaryifliteral
      @scaryifliteral  3 місяці тому

      Correct. Google has yet to provide an ARM version and the x86 version doesn't seem to work.

    • @R.B.
      @R.B. 3 місяці тому +1

      Seems like a Google problem... I feel like Google is intentionally slow in supporting Microsoft. Consider how Phone Link is tightly integrated with OnePlus and Samsung phones but not Pixels. Google also didn't give a lot of support for Duo and Duo 2. White Google Drive integration might give incentive to use Google Drive subscriptions over OneDrive, I feel like Google doesn't want to support Windows on ARM native or do much to support Microsoft. Consider how long it took them to produce an ARM build of Chrome.

    • @fnthm
      @fnthm Місяць тому

      Google is MONOPOLIC garbage. They do it in purpose! Just stop using google useless garbage, and use OneDrive: cheaper, compatible with all devices, and integrated. Ditch Google Drive!

  • @daviidtaplin1115
    @daviidtaplin1115 Місяць тому

    best buy did not have it..

  • @epsig1507
    @epsig1507 3 місяці тому +1

    The screen is too reflective, even indoor lol

  • @engineering_guy
    @engineering_guy 3 місяці тому

    Reacall is "the" feature?? Really?? I am happy they didn't launch it. What a nightmare!

    • @scaryifliteral
      @scaryifliteral  3 місяці тому +2

      I mean, compared to blurred webcam background and badly generated photos? Yeah? lol

    • @fnthm
      @fnthm Місяць тому

      Dont use it! Nigthmare? You can disable it... Stop crying.

  • @petrm2234
    @petrm2234 3 місяці тому

    why is this ready if windows on arm is same shit like before

  • @hernanj1599
    @hernanj1599 3 місяці тому +1

    1300 for a new chromebook.model...hahaha
    Amazing to play solitarie.. chat in msn messenger and surf the internet with the dial up service...🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 TRUE STORY. monkey island in 20 fps approved! 😂😂😂

    • @scaryifliteral
      @scaryifliteral  3 місяці тому +10

      It makes me sad that people like this exist