I have the ub420 and i bought it right before i bought a new tv. It was cheaper than the 820, so i settled. In hindsight, i wish i bought the 820 because i now have an LG G1, and didn't realize the ub420 didn't do dolby vision. So my suggestion is if you have a Sony, or LG TV, go for the 820.
@@b-icemedia The USA release model (Summer 2024) says it's "Compatible with Dolby Vision and Hybrid Log-Gamma" so there may have been a hardware revision.
I don’t know much about audio. How big of a deal are the RCA 7.1 surround sound inputs on the 820? If I want to get a sound system that supports Dolby Atmos, would that be a problem for the 420, or would the sound system use the HDMI inputs? Are the RCA 7.1 inputs basically just for older equipment?
The RCA inputs are a big deal if you have an older AVR receiver or amplifier because then you can connect your speakers directly to the player through the amp/receiver. I can’t speak on it fully, but I don’t think it would output Dolby Atmos this way, but I may be wrong. HDMI will provide much cleaner sound because RCA is not as high quality.
@@droski33 Thank you for pointing this out! You are correct, and I misspoke. RCA cables will need to connect to a receiver/amplifier, which then feeds power and audio to the corresponding speakers. Thank you! @thelegendarybidoof1419
@@b-icemedia Would there be any difference between the two audio-wise when using it's Optical port, and connecting optical to a DAC(Like the Schitt Gunnr)for 2 channel headphone audio with linear PCM? The 820 is boasting 192khz, and the 420 is doing 96khz, but would you be able to tell the difference between the two with either headphones or something like a Bose Ultra Sound bar?
Hello! I own the UB420 JUST bought a new Denon AVR-3800H to maximize my 4K TV Viewing..thought about getting the UB820 but would it make any differance in my pic quality?
I've been slowly rebuilding my entertainment center. I scrapped some older obsolete technology, replaced my receiver, and added a turntable. The one older thing I'm still using is my PS3 for both CDs, DVDs, and BDs. It turns out standalone CD players are quite expensive and my PS5 doesn't play CDs, so the PS3 still gets use as a media player. This review though saved me a lot of searching around and research. The UB-420 is now on my list! Thanks.
You’re welcome, and thanks for watching! I can’t speak on the PS3’s audio quality for CDs, but I would think the UB420 would be an upgrade in all regards.
How long do they LAST? (warranty wise) I've read (in various forums/reviews etc.) that these Panasonic players (also 820 and even 9000) have some disc tray jamming issues...? Is that ACTUALLY so? And some suggest getting extended warranty, so that they can replace the "broken tray player" after standard warranty period, other than throwing it away sooner... What about 424 model? (I'm considering buying this one / as my S95C does not support DV)
The warranty is 1 year for parts and labor, I believe. I've had my UB820 for years, and it's never had any issues. Never hurts to have an extended warranty for peace of mind though!
Not necessarily. It has one last source to bypass by plugging in directly to the player, so it may make a minor difference, but I don't think it'll make a marginal difference overall.
There's not really any picture quality difference between the two. I'd use my TV's streaming capabilities or another third party device as the Panasonic UI is slow.
Yeah get this pointless paying more for ub820 or the other one ub1000 or whatever it's called. Turns out this 220 dollar player has the identical computer chips as the 500 and 1000 dollar one. So all these morons are paying extra money for identical.perfomance....esp.if you have a samsung TV because no dolby vision. Best decision I made in a while
Getting the Panasonic UB-820 to replace the Sony X800M2. The Sony has already started freezing / skipping on the media I own. Not cool. It just irritates me because now I'm going to be missing out on extended warranty through BestBuy because they don't carry the Panasonic for whatever reason.
Wow, that’s definitely unacceptable for any player to do that, especially when you’re paying $200+! Best Buy still has them on their app and website, I just double-checked before replying.
Outside of Dolby Vision, is the 820 even necessary? I remember the 4k Blu-ray of Oppenheimer being pretty impactful especially when the Trinity Test. And that was in just HDR10. All I really care about is the quality and reliability of the player. And all my 4k Blu-rays are HDR10 anyhow. As long as the picture quality and reliability is solid, especially for older content, I’ll be perfectly satisfied. As I understand the upscaling quality on the Panasonic 4k Blu-ray players are really good and should make even my DVD of 1985’s North and South with Patrick Swayze look good. And I’ve heard bad things about the LG and Sony players. I have a 65” LG C2. I’m also gathering the components for my PC build, so a 4k Blu-ray player isn’t top priority.
Dolby Vision is the main draw for the UB820 over the UB420, but it also includes a digital screen and larger body. DVDs look decent, but they don't look amazing as they are far away from 4K quality, haha. I've received a Sony and LG player, and they're not bad, but they do have some quirks and software issues.
Have the 420 an Samsung tv wich does not support DolbyVision. 820 or even the 9000 is useless to me. All the Have same video chip and audio is the on all three. Like its very small and light. 9000 audio feature is for analog has nothing to do with hdmi. The fact the 9000 has a better built not a selling point for me.
It sounds like you definitely found the best unit for you! Yeah, the 420 is definitely more compact and easier to fit if you have limited space. I don’t think the 9000 is worth it in general unless you’re a purist who wants XLR inputs, a tank design, and the crown of having the best in the lineup. I may still review it in the future just to say I’ve tested them all, haha.
I guess the region free ub420 is the better choice for my lg led tv to play all discs that i have. I dont have a 4k tv yet and im not buying one till i need too. Im not even sure what is out for tvs these days. I just want a good player nothing with long load times and freezing skipping etc. I want a smooth reliable player for my money as im a collector of physical media.
The UB420 is definitely a solid machine, and it'll take care of all the discs you throw at it! You might also check out this player as well as it's a bit cheaper: ua-cam.com/video/3hqNvFdotrE/v-deo.html
I have the UB420 and I know it doesn't have Dolby Vision but I don't really care that much about DV HDR10 is good enough for me. 😊 I have a Samsung QD OLED that doesn't support DV anyway. 😂
I just bought the 420 because I was tired of my Sony freezing. I haven’t decided how I feel about the new player yet. Definitely don’t like the remote. It feels top-heavy to me.
The 420 is still a great choice! You should be able to upgrade the remote to the UB9000's like I did with my 820. Here's a link to the video if you want to check it out: ua-cam.com/video/LweAohTY4gw/v-deo.htmlsi=Q7k089J4-NS3EGGP
I have Samsung TVs so no need for Dolby vision, and after what I have seen from TVs not being able to take full advantage of Dolby vision and in some cheaper TVs Dolby vison looking horrible I will keep my Samsung TVs and my none Dolby vision player.
DV provides the best PQ? I don't know, it's a double edged sword imo. Since OLED is absolute trash strictly in terms of motion compared to plasma which makes both features useless imo, since you can't get good motion quality when using either since they're shooting for nearly 1000 nits. Thankfully an external Black frame insertion device(called retrotink4K) will be able to cut down 50%-75% OLED motion blur for 24 & 30fps content(Ala movies & broadcast TV shows), in SDR @1080p. It's all dependent on how good your OLED's BFI is. With something like a Samsung S90C QD-OLED, you'll be removing 50 percent for ex. HDR/DV @ 4K don't mean anything to me if OLED motion turns to complete mush when anything moves beyond a snails pace. :P We've gone backwards. It's plasma all the way at this point, until Retrotink4K gets released later this year. It's going to cost a whopping $1000 US, but i'll gladly spend that amount if I can get a plasma like experience on QD-OLED, with obviously much higher brightness, true blacks, whiter whites and more pop. Too bad about OLED's excess film judder, that's another issue that can't be mitigated unless you force SOE.
I don’t personally think the motion looks bad at all with OLED motion turned off or having it in cinematic mode (I’ll have to double-check my settings). Samsung & Sony OLEDs are the best in the market by far, so I’m sure their motion handling is superior to my LG B2. I have to disagree with plasmas being the way to go still because their color handling and lack of HDR are too far in the past for me! But everyone has their preferences, and I can understand your viewpoint too. Dolby vision has the highest metadata of all formats if I remember correctly, but I know HDR10 can technically be a bit brighter because it’s static. I care most about color, crispness, and brightness over motion handling unless it’s jarringly bad like on cheap blu-ray players and budget TVs.
@@b-icemedia Exactly, it's all personal preference(s) at the end of the day. But for me personally, I just hate the fact that i've paid thousands for a tech that's basically a huge downgrade strictly in terms of motion persistence, aka high motion blur. CRT's, ever since the 80's, 90's and 2000's had ZERO motion blur and that technology is still the king of motion. They boasted a 1ms persistence or sometimes sub 1ms or at worse 2ms...OLED is 16ms by comparison....OR 8.3ms when gaming at 120fps or using BFI at 60fps, neither of which can be used for movies & TV, so we're back to that awful 16ms. :P. The only displays currently on the market that can get you a 1 or sub 1ms are 240fps(+240hz black frame insertion) LCD Monitors and Quest 2, But those are smaller LCD's monitors used strictly for PC gaming, and Quest 2 is VR obviously. And i definitely do not want to watch movies with washed out black levels with plastic bulk on my head no matter how perfect the motion is, so. :P But ya, WRGB OLED definitely cannot compete with the overall colour Vs a good plasma in SDR. My LG C1's colour volume is just awful, colors look completely desaturated, skin tones are paler and you really have to tinker with the white balance settings to suck a lot of that excess green and blue out of the picture. WRGB OLED's also dilute colour. I had to use the native color gamut to compensate for the desaturated colours instead of Auto. I still have my Panasonic S60 plasma, and it has wonderful colour which i still use a reference, and i still prefer to watch movies and stream on it Vs my C1. Once the retrotink4K becomes available, i'll be able to use it with my C1 and knock that pesky 16ms motion persistence down to about 6.2ms(Which is better than most plasmas) for movies & TV shows since it uses dual strobe BFI. QD-OLED on the other had can definitely compete with plasma colour, and it easily has the upper hand for brighter colours. QD-OLED(S90C or S95C) + Retrotink4K(If it lives up to the hype) is the way to fly for movies in SDR, for those who wan't to reduce at least 50%(8.3ms) of QD-OLED motion blur, and don't care for HDR, DV & 4K. At best it does 4ms, but again your OLED has support 4ms BFI, and there's nothing currently on the market that can. In the future there may be. And 4K doesn't really matter to me at 65". If i had a 77" that would be a different story. :P
The Retrotink 4k is more for video game upscaling than anything else. It also will not pass through dolby atmos. I have the 5x, and it has a few options to upscale legacy video formats, but i don't think Mike chi built it with that stuff in mind. It's just an added bonus. If you want that smooth motion you're talking about, you can use game mode on the C1 with BFI for the time being. I have a G1 and I definitely had to knock the white balance down to warm 50 on game mode. Filmmaker mode is also way too dark, so I use cinema home. The new g3 oled panels have that new focus all the light directly at tge viewer, so the new g and c series are now much better that the tvs from a few years ago. With that said, I came from a Samsung plasma from 2010, and I wouldn't trade the G1 for a plasma ever. Other than having to change the white balance on game and standard modes, I think tge colors are great. I have the panasonic ub420, and I was thinking of upgrading to the 820, but I'm not sure its really worth it.
@@frankbizzoco1954 The Tink4K, when using triple strobe BFI for movies & TV reduces QD-OLED motion blur by almost 60%(That's a HUGE difference), and regular OLED motion blur by 50%, and reduces that nasty excess choppy OLED judder even better than a plasma AND CRT. it's limited to 1080p and creates mild BFI flicker on whites, but the big boost in motion clarity and judder reduction is well worth the trade offs. Once TINK8K arrives, it will be able to reduce even more motion blur, and at '4K'. HDR and DV are irrelevant to me if I have to deal with any motion blur and choppy judder. With TINK4K + QD-OLED, it's like watching movies on a plasma but with perfect blacks, higher brightness and whiter whites.
@@frankbizzoco1954 Did you end up upgrading? I'm curious as I'm finishing my basement. I just purchased the 65" G4 and am looking into what I need for playing my blue rays. I have a onkyo Tx-nr 7100 receiver that I will likely run the blue ray player through as the speakers are hooked up to it.
I just finally upgraded to a 4K TV and 11.1 Atmos, and I selected the UB-820 4K player because I won't be streaming 4K. The UB-820 has handled 4K discs flawlessly - so far. I was shocked to find that more than half of the Blu-Rays I've tried had serious audio sync problems. I had to hook up my old PS3, which still plays Blu-Rays correctly, so it wasn't the new receiver causing the problems. Anyway, I got the 820 because of all the compatibility and support, so I'm disappointed that it can't seam to handle some basic tasks, but I can live with it. For pure 4K, it's probably the best player at a reasonable price, but I wonder if one of the cheaper Sony players would have been a better all-around choice.
I’ve noticed that being the case with mine at times too, but it’s never been super noticeable for the most part. I’ve played around with audio delay on my receiver, so it’s been close enough for me. My Oppo did the same thing until I really dialed it in. Glad you’re enjoying it overall! I’ve been curious about Sony’s players too, and I’m getting one in to review and unbox next month (Sony X800M2).
@@b-icemedia Yeah, I could probably live with adjusting the audio delay for myself, but each disc is different and messing around with that adjustment when you have company over is not good. It's just easier using separate players for different formats. I figure most new discs I buy will be 4K, but the way the player, or the TV for that matter, up-scales regular Blu-Ray discs, I can barely tell the difference.
I have both the Panasonic UB820 and the Sony X800M2, the Sony will often freeze with 4K disc's including 1917, Batman, probably 50% of these types of disks I even cleaned the disks to be absolutely sure. The Panasonic has been flawless.
@@pauljackson4357 lol. Literally just jumped onto UA-cam looking at the Panasonic for this very reason. I've had the Sony x800m2 for literally two days and the second 4k disc I played froze / skipped. Top Gun Maverick played flawlessly, while Super Mario Bros froze / skipped. Not acceptable at all especially on first impressions.
@@b-icemedia I couldn't care less about Dolby Vision or HDR, since neither allow you to use Double strobe black frame insertion, aka the retrotink4K external BFI device which removes up to 75% of OLED motion blur @1080p. It's kind of a big deal imo since OLED motion is nothing short of terrible without BFI. Anyways, i'm aiming for the 420, but my only question is about audio. I plan on using a DAC and a pair of headphones, with the 420's Optical/Toslink port. will there be any difference in audio quality for 2 channel audio between the two or even with a sound bar?
@@b-icemedia OK, good video and I spent all day telling video shooters at the PITTSBURGH VINTAGE Grand Prix about Dolby Vision. Maybe you'll do a video or two about your favorite 4K discs.
Yeah, any disc that has DV & DA are instantly put on the list since those are the best formats! I’ll dig through my collection and see what I can narrow them down to.
See the full unboxings and reviews of each player in the provided links below: ⬇
Panasonic UB420: bit.ly/443Oybx
Panasonic UB820: bit.ly/3kMbytK
I have the ub420 and i bought it right before i bought a new tv. It was cheaper than the 820, so i settled. In hindsight, i wish i bought the 820 because i now have an LG G1, and didn't realize the ub420 didn't do dolby vision. So my suggestion is if you have a Sony, or LG TV, go for the 820.
They’re both great players, so it’s hard to justify the extra money if your TV doesn’t have Dolby Vision. It’s never too late to upgrade though!
currently 820 is twice the price of 420. just not worth it to me
Isn't 4k enough Dolby vision is just a bonus imo
@@b-icemedia The USA release model (Summer 2024) says it's "Compatible with Dolby Vision and Hybrid Log-Gamma" so there may have been a hardware revision.
I don’t know much about audio. How big of a deal are the RCA 7.1 surround sound inputs on the 820? If I want to get a sound system that supports Dolby Atmos, would that be a problem for the 420, or would the sound system use the HDMI inputs? Are the RCA 7.1 inputs basically just for older equipment?
The RCA inputs are a big deal if you have an older AVR receiver or amplifier because then you can connect your speakers directly to the player through the amp/receiver. I can’t speak on it fully, but I don’t think it would output Dolby Atmos this way, but I may be wrong. HDMI will provide much cleaner sound because RCA is not as high quality.
@@b-icemedia Okay, thank you!
This is false. You CANNOT hook the speakers up to the DVD Player . It is not an amplifier. @@b-icemedia
@@droski33 Thank you for pointing this out! You are correct, and I misspoke. RCA cables will need to connect to a receiver/amplifier, which then feeds power and audio to the corresponding speakers. Thank you! @thelegendarybidoof1419
@@b-icemedia Would there be any difference between the two audio-wise when using it's Optical port, and connecting optical to a DAC(Like the Schitt Gunnr)for 2 channel headphone audio with linear PCM? The 820 is boasting 192khz, and the 420 is doing 96khz, but would you be able to tell the difference between the two with either headphones or something like a Bose Ultra Sound bar?
Do they have the same upscaling for blu ray?
Yes, they use the exact same processor.
@@b-icemedia thanks!
Hello! I own the UB420 JUST bought a new Denon AVR-3800H to maximize my 4K TV Viewing..thought about getting the UB820 but would it make any differance in my pic quality?
No, it will look the same other than supporting Dolby Vision.
I've been slowly rebuilding my entertainment center. I scrapped some older obsolete technology, replaced my receiver, and added a turntable. The one older thing I'm still using is my PS3 for both CDs, DVDs, and BDs. It turns out standalone CD players are quite expensive and my PS5 doesn't play CDs, so the PS3 still gets use as a media player. This review though saved me a lot of searching around and research. The UB-420 is now on my list! Thanks.
You’re welcome, and thanks for watching! I can’t speak on the PS3’s audio quality for CDs, but I would think the UB420 would be an upgrade in all regards.
@@b-icemedia Did I type 420? I definitely meant the 820! I had a senior moment I think, LOL.
How long do they LAST? (warranty wise)
I've read (in various forums/reviews etc.) that these Panasonic players (also 820 and even 9000) have some disc tray jamming issues...? Is that ACTUALLY so?
And some suggest getting extended warranty, so that they can replace the "broken tray player" after standard warranty period, other than throwing it away sooner...
What about 424 model? (I'm considering buying this one / as my S95C does not support DV)
The warranty is 1 year for parts and labor, I believe. I've had my UB820 for years, and it's never had any issues. Never hurts to have an extended warranty for peace of mind though!
Is there a benefit/difference to plugging a sound bar directly into the player opposed to the tv?
Not necessarily. It has one last source to bypass by plugging in directly to the player, so it may make a minor difference, but I don't think it'll make a marginal difference overall.
I'm using the UB420 on a Samsung OLED tv. 😊 It doesn't support DV anyway. 😊
Very nice! The UB420 is a great model by far!
How do get perform with streaming Netflix 4K from Panasonic vs the Netflix app straight from the tv
There's not really any picture quality difference between the two. I'd use my TV's streaming capabilities or another third party device as the Panasonic UI is slow.
@@b-icemedia so if I stream from the device vs from the tv app, the quality will basically be the same?
@@ULDragon Yes, that's correct! The quality on streaming is basically dependent on your internet speed.
@@b-icemedia awesome! Thanks so much for the clarification
Is the 420 as good as the 820 for dvds?
It should be! I can’t say 100% though as I rarely watch DVDs, lol.
Is it worth buying this while owning a PS5 and a Samsung TV(no DV)?
I think the UB420 would still be a good investment because of the HDR optimizer! It would give you the Dolby Vision treatment through that setting.
Yeah get this pointless paying more for ub820 or the other one ub1000 or whatever it's called. Turns out this 220 dollar player has the identical computer chips as the 500 and 1000 dollar one. So all these morons are paying extra money for identical.perfomance....esp.if you have a samsung TV because no dolby vision. Best decision I made in a while
UB 420 Panny is pretty good. 😊 I don't really care that much about Dolby Vision . HDR10 and 10 plus is good enough for me. 😊
I'm glad you're liking it! HDR10 and 10+ definitely aren't bad either and some say DV is too dark for them.
Getting the Panasonic UB-820 to replace the Sony X800M2. The Sony has already started freezing / skipping on the media I own. Not cool. It just irritates me because now I'm going to be missing out on extended warranty through BestBuy because they don't carry the Panasonic for whatever reason.
Wow, that’s definitely unacceptable for any player to do that, especially when you’re paying $200+! Best Buy still has them on their app and website, I just double-checked before replying.
@@b-icemedia ya, I'm in Canada and they're not as assorted as the states unfortunately.
What differences did you notice in video quality and audio quality? Thank you
Outside of Dolby Vision, is the 820 even necessary? I remember the 4k Blu-ray of Oppenheimer being pretty impactful especially when the Trinity Test. And that was in just HDR10. All I really care about is the quality and reliability of the player. And all my 4k Blu-rays are HDR10 anyhow. As long as the picture quality and reliability is solid, especially for older content, I’ll be perfectly satisfied. As I understand the upscaling quality on the Panasonic 4k Blu-ray players are really good and should make even my DVD of 1985’s North and South with Patrick Swayze look good.
And I’ve heard bad things about the LG and Sony players. I have a 65” LG C2. I’m also gathering the components for my PC build, so a 4k Blu-ray player isn’t top priority.
Dolby Vision is the main draw for the UB820 over the UB420, but it also includes a digital screen and larger body. DVDs look decent, but they don't look amazing as they are far away from 4K quality, haha.
I've received a Sony and LG player, and they're not bad, but they do have some quirks and software issues.
These players are they region free. I see region a logo at the back of the player.
No, they're Region A or whatever Region you are based out of. They're only region-free if you specifically purchase them from a third party.
Have the 420 an Samsung tv wich does not support DolbyVision. 820 or even the 9000 is useless to me. All the Have same video chip and audio is the on all three.
Like its very small and light.
9000 audio feature is for analog has nothing to do with hdmi. The fact the 9000 has a better built not a selling point for me.
It sounds like you definitely found the best unit for you! Yeah, the 420 is definitely more compact and easier to fit if you have limited space.
I don’t think the 9000 is worth it in general unless you’re a purist who wants XLR inputs, a tank design, and the crown of having the best in the lineup. I may still review it in the future just to say I’ve tested them all, haha.
But it does support HDR10+ so wont it take Dolby Vision encoding and attempt an HDR10+ picture cast?
I guess the region free ub420 is the better choice for my lg led tv to play all discs that i have. I dont have a 4k tv yet and im not buying one till i need too. Im not even sure what is out for tvs these days. I just want a good player nothing with long load times and freezing skipping etc. I want a smooth reliable player for my money as im a collector of physical media.
The UB420 is definitely a solid machine, and it'll take care of all the discs you throw at it! You might also check out this player as well as it's a bit cheaper: ua-cam.com/video/3hqNvFdotrE/v-deo.html
I have the UB420 and I know it doesn't have Dolby Vision but I don't really care that much about DV HDR10 is good enough for me. 😊 I have a Samsung QD OLED that doesn't support DV anyway. 😂
All that matters is what you like! It sucks that Samsung doesn't support Dolby Vision, but HDR10 and 10+ aren't bad by any means either.
I just bought the 420 because I was tired of my Sony freezing. I haven’t decided how I feel about the new player yet. Definitely don’t like the remote. It feels top-heavy to me.
The 420 is still a great choice! You should be able to upgrade the remote to the UB9000's like I did with my 820. Here's a link to the video if you want to check it out: ua-cam.com/video/LweAohTY4gw/v-deo.htmlsi=Q7k089J4-NS3EGGP
I have Samsung TVs so no need for Dolby vision, and after what I have seen from TVs not being able to take full advantage of Dolby vision and in some cheaper TVs Dolby vison looking horrible I will keep my Samsung TVs and my none Dolby vision player.
Fair enough! High end TVs such as Mini LEDs and OLEDs can handle Dolby Vision well, and I think then you'd truly see the difference.
I just realized my Samsung tv does not have DV, so 420 it is for me. lol
Haha, easy decision for you! It sucks Samsungs don't have DV.
DV provides the best PQ? I don't know, it's a double edged sword imo. Since OLED is absolute trash strictly in terms of motion compared to plasma which makes both features useless imo, since you can't get good motion quality when using either since they're shooting for nearly 1000 nits. Thankfully an external Black frame insertion device(called retrotink4K) will be able to cut down 50%-75% OLED motion blur for 24 & 30fps content(Ala movies & broadcast TV shows), in SDR @1080p. It's all dependent on how good your OLED's BFI is. With something like a Samsung S90C QD-OLED, you'll be removing 50 percent for ex.
HDR/DV @ 4K don't mean anything to me if OLED motion turns to complete mush when anything moves beyond a snails pace. :P We've gone backwards. It's plasma all the way at this point, until Retrotink4K gets released later this year. It's going to cost a whopping $1000 US, but i'll gladly spend that amount if I can get a plasma like experience on QD-OLED, with obviously much higher brightness, true blacks, whiter whites and more pop. Too bad about OLED's excess film judder, that's another issue that can't be mitigated unless you force SOE.
I don’t personally think the motion looks bad at all with OLED motion turned off or having it in cinematic mode (I’ll have to double-check my settings). Samsung & Sony OLEDs are the best in the market by far, so I’m sure their motion handling is superior to my LG B2.
I have to disagree with plasmas being the way to go still because their color handling and lack of HDR are too far in the past for me! But everyone has their preferences, and I can understand your viewpoint too. Dolby vision has the highest metadata of all formats if I remember correctly, but I know HDR10 can technically be a bit brighter because it’s static. I care most about color, crispness, and brightness over motion handling unless it’s jarringly bad like on cheap blu-ray players and budget TVs.
@@b-icemedia
Exactly, it's all personal preference(s) at the end of the day. But for me personally, I just hate the fact that i've paid thousands for a tech that's basically a huge downgrade strictly in terms of motion persistence, aka high motion blur. CRT's, ever since the 80's, 90's and 2000's had ZERO motion blur and that technology is still the king of motion.
They boasted a 1ms persistence or sometimes sub 1ms or at worse 2ms...OLED is 16ms by comparison....OR 8.3ms when gaming at 120fps or using BFI at 60fps, neither of which can be used for movies & TV, so we're back to that awful 16ms. :P. The only displays currently on the market that can get you a 1 or sub 1ms are 240fps(+240hz black frame insertion) LCD Monitors and Quest 2, But those are smaller LCD's monitors used strictly for PC gaming, and Quest 2 is VR obviously. And i definitely do not want to watch movies with washed out black levels with plastic bulk on my head no matter how perfect the motion is, so. :P
But ya, WRGB OLED definitely cannot compete with the overall colour Vs a good plasma in SDR. My LG C1's colour volume is just awful, colors look completely desaturated, skin tones are paler and you really have to tinker with the white balance settings to suck a lot of that excess green and blue out of the picture. WRGB OLED's also dilute colour. I had to use the native color gamut to compensate for the desaturated colours instead of Auto. I still have my Panasonic S60 plasma, and it has wonderful colour which i still use a reference, and i still prefer to watch movies and stream on it Vs my C1. Once the retrotink4K becomes available, i'll be able to use it with my C1 and knock that pesky 16ms motion persistence down to about 6.2ms(Which is better than most plasmas) for movies & TV shows since it uses dual strobe BFI.
QD-OLED on the other had can definitely compete with plasma colour, and it easily has the upper hand for brighter colours. QD-OLED(S90C or S95C) + Retrotink4K(If it lives up to the hype) is the way to fly for movies in SDR, for those who wan't to reduce at least 50%(8.3ms) of QD-OLED motion blur, and don't care for HDR, DV & 4K. At best it does 4ms, but again your OLED has support 4ms BFI, and there's nothing currently on the market that can. In the future there may be.
And 4K doesn't really matter to me at 65". If i had a 77" that would be a different story. :P
The Retrotink 4k is more for video game upscaling than anything else. It also will not pass through dolby atmos. I have the 5x, and it has a few options to upscale legacy video formats, but i don't think Mike chi built it with that stuff in mind. It's just an added bonus. If you want that smooth motion you're talking about, you can use game mode on the C1 with BFI for the time being. I have a G1 and I definitely had to knock the white balance down to warm 50 on game mode. Filmmaker mode is also way too dark, so I use cinema home. The new g3 oled panels have that new focus all the light directly at tge viewer, so the new g and c series are now much better that the tvs from a few years ago. With that said, I came from a Samsung plasma from 2010, and I wouldn't trade the G1 for a plasma ever. Other than having to change the white balance on game and standard modes, I think tge colors are great. I have the panasonic ub420, and I was thinking of upgrading to the 820, but I'm not sure its really worth it.
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The Tink4K, when using triple strobe BFI for movies & TV reduces QD-OLED motion blur by almost 60%(That's a HUGE difference), and regular OLED motion blur by 50%, and reduces that nasty excess choppy OLED judder even better than a plasma AND CRT. it's limited to 1080p and creates mild BFI flicker on whites, but the big boost in motion clarity and judder reduction is well worth the trade offs.
Once TINK8K arrives, it will be able to reduce even more motion blur, and at '4K'. HDR and DV are irrelevant to me if I have to deal with any motion blur and choppy judder. With TINK4K + QD-OLED, it's like watching movies on a plasma but with perfect blacks, higher brightness and whiter whites.
@@frankbizzoco1954 Did you end up upgrading? I'm curious as I'm finishing my basement. I just purchased the 65" G4 and am looking into what I need for playing my blue rays. I have a onkyo Tx-nr 7100 receiver that I will likely run the blue ray player through as the speakers are hooked up to it.
I just finally upgraded to a 4K TV and 11.1 Atmos, and I selected the UB-820 4K player because I won't be streaming 4K. The UB-820 has handled 4K discs flawlessly - so far. I was shocked to find that more than half of the Blu-Rays I've tried had serious audio sync problems. I had to hook up my old PS3, which still plays Blu-Rays correctly, so it wasn't the new receiver causing the problems. Anyway, I got the 820 because of all the compatibility and support, so I'm disappointed that it can't seam to handle some basic tasks, but I can live with it. For pure 4K, it's probably the best player at a reasonable price, but I wonder if one of the cheaper Sony players would have been a better all-around choice.
I’ve noticed that being the case with mine at times too, but it’s never been super noticeable for the most part. I’ve played around with audio delay on my receiver, so it’s been close enough for me. My Oppo did the same thing until I really dialed it in. Glad you’re enjoying it overall! I’ve been curious about Sony’s players too, and I’m getting one in to review and unbox next month (Sony X800M2).
@@b-icemedia Yeah, I could probably live with adjusting the audio delay for myself, but each disc is different and messing around with that adjustment when you have company over is not good. It's just easier using separate players for different formats.
I figure most new discs I buy will be 4K, but the way the player, or the TV for that matter, up-scales regular Blu-Ray discs, I can barely tell the difference.
I have both the Panasonic UB820 and the Sony X800M2, the Sony will often freeze with 4K disc's including 1917, Batman, probably 50% of these types of disks I even cleaned the disks to be absolutely sure. The Panasonic has been flawless.
@@pauljackson4357 lol. Literally just jumped onto UA-cam looking at the Panasonic for this very reason. I've had the Sony x800m2 for literally two days and the second 4k disc I played froze / skipped. Top Gun Maverick played flawlessly, while Super Mario Bros froze / skipped. Not acceptable at all especially on first impressions.
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I couldn't care less about Dolby Vision or HDR, since neither allow you to use Double strobe black frame insertion, aka the retrotink4K external BFI device which removes up to 75% of OLED motion blur @1080p. It's kind of a big deal imo since OLED motion is nothing short of terrible without BFI.
Anyways, i'm aiming for the 420, but my only question is about audio. I plan on using a DAC and a pair of headphones, with the 420's Optical/Toslink port. will there be any difference in audio quality for 2 channel audio between the two or even with a sound bar?
Ub 420 will not play dual layer copy a
Are you referring to double layer CD-A?
Funny, I don't like Dolby Vision.
To each their own! My dad doesn't like HDR at all, haha.
Just curious what it is you don't like about it
@@Chrisratata To me it gives the picture a slight orange tint. AND IT IS NOT AS SHARP AS hr10.
Penguins fan?
No, haha. I just like the shirt color, and it’s comfortable!
@@b-icemedia OK, good video and I spent all day telling video shooters at the PITTSBURGH VINTAGE Grand Prix about Dolby Vision. Maybe you'll do a video or two about your favorite 4K discs.
I may have to do that! I appreciate the feedback and idea.
@@b-icemedia Guess you'd want to go or Dolby Vision-only discs, though a few with just HDR or even no HDR have had their moments.
Yeah, any disc that has DV & DA are instantly put on the list since those are the best formats! I’ll dig through my collection and see what I can narrow them down to.