I saw 4 of my shots in there!!! AOD is great!! To someones point, you have to put in the work. Yea paying for courses isnt gonna magically make you batter, but you have to put in the knowledge and keep going. The passion will take you for the journey. You discover over time your ego goes to the sidelines and the process is the goal. If you cant fall in love with the creation aspect, you will never make it in this space. Thanks for reading. And thanks Curren for making vids.
Nice! AOD was nice enough to send along some of their trailers, so they must be pushing your work - nice job! Also totally agree with all your points. The more you can set aside your ego and just continue to learn, refine, and go for your own desired outcomes, the better off you'll be. I appreciate you stopping by.
@CurrenSheldon always my man! Loved Heroine, Recovery Boys, and King Coal. I also love to be more intentional. I enjoyed the hybrid docs the most. Keep creating my man!
This is so wild! I am currently following 4 of the 5 you mentioned, a couple I'd share for color grading are Cullen Kelly and Darren Mostyn. Both are working professionals and have a great balance of "how" as well as "why" in their videos. Also, crazy to stumble across your channel being a native to TN myself. I have Best Clowns in my queue of films to watch right now 😃
Hey Curren, just found you recently. I’ve been watching Mark Bone for a while and you both have a similar high quality feel to your videos. Thanks for the great content!
Nur Niaz, Scott Peters, cammackey, andberry, tenfold productions...many others I can not think of immediately but the fellas I mentioned are great sources of knowledge, industry intel, and fun to follow...and Frame Set channel is making some really good content with special guests and such.
Thanks for making this video and appreciating really solid film channels. I'm a senior film student and have now worked on 2 narrative feature films as well as now making connections in the local commercial community. I've watched too many "filmmaking" channels and found myself narrowing down to the channels you mentioned and a couple of more like Scott Peters, Spenser Sakurai, Standard Story Company, etc. There are a lot of film channels out there that just come across as a grift to me. Cammackey, Kofi, and several others in their community have some decent experience, especially from their solo videographer or photographer backgrounds, but seem so click baity. They also have seemed like they are trying to act like the experts on set yet a lot of the advice they give is just gear reviews or amateur filmmaking advice. Which props to them in getting the bag, but I'm gonna take any of their lighting tips or film set bts tips with a large grain of salt. Several of them in that general videography/crossover into commercial and short film industry like to preach about not needing film school when many of them never really went to film school. No, you don't need film school, but a great one will teach you a ton about the technical and narrative side to filmmaking and give you connections and experience on set (usually student sets) before getting into the professional world. I'm just at a point in my filmmaking journey where WanderingDP, Luc Forsyth, and a few others give me more advanced advice and tips that I need and want. Some of those tips I haven't even heard in film school classes, especially from WanderingDP's cinematography tips. I've had so many rants in youtube comments about these guys being the ones people should follow if they actually want to make films at a professional level, whether top level commercials, docs, or narratives.
Another thing to add on, Danny, Luc, Sakurai, Scott Peters, Patrick O'Sullivan, and the others in their boat also have an attitude of honesty and learning about them. They've made amazing stuff, but their willing to admit that their work isn't perfect and could be better. They also point out their own mistakes and try to learn from them too. Those areas alone make me appreciate and want to learn more from them than channels that are focused on reviewing cameras and the new lights or make videos on getting "cinematic lighting", the A24 look, "anamorphic", etc.
I would rather watch your and their free videos on this platform tbh. Let me caution film students and aspiring people out there, most of the people selling you a $1000 or $800 course will not magically make you a filmmaker one day. That simply ain't happening. And for the love of God, please think. All of the things these people sell you in courses, you can learn for free right here on youtube itself, from channels like Curren Sheldon himself. Also let me tell you, I am not against paying for something. What I am saying is some of those filmmakers selling you a course for $1000 or whatever, supposin 500 people buy their course, you've just made them half a million $$. If you're loaded with money, you do you. If you're not, please for the love of God, don't fall into the trap of courses.
Thanks for watching my videos and the kind words. I'm glad you find them useful. In terms of courses, I definitely think it's good to be wary of any course, but I can definitely vouch for the quality of AOD and Luc and Patrick's content. Everyone needs to decide if the price is right for them. If you put into practice what you can learn in AOD (or any full-course), then there is no reason you can't be making $800/day+ as a cinematographer/director/editor/etc - which means the course that got you there cost less than a day's work. And while you can learn anything you want on UA-cam, sometimes it is worth $50, $100, or $250 to have someone organize and give you the correct information in the correct order. When you're a beginner or looking to level up, the hardest part is knowing WHAT information to look for and what to learn first, second, and third - and not so much accessing that content. The other tough part is that it's next to impossible to make money on UA-cam with less than 100k views per video, so if you're going to spend the amount of time it takes to make all the helpful, free videos, you've got to figure out a way to make it worth your time. Just a few thoughts - but I do think you're right that you need to do your research as there are a lot of long, time-wasting, and not very helpful courses out there.
@@CurrenSheldon I respect you and don't think that you are shilling for anyone, I believe you genuinely endorse things you care about. But the claim that if you put their course into practice, you can make $800+/day is a dangerous one. There's plenty of students from these courses who are nowhere near any of that. Let's for example, break down a claim like that by analyzing what these very people say. Luc Forsyth and Mark Bone have publicly claimed things like "you will need to have a primary job and do this thing on the side". That, in no way, is $800+/day. Also, let's be honest here. It's a long journey even IF you 'make it' to that point of getting nearly a $1000 a day. Not to leave the idea out that NOT everyone's gonna make it to that point. These are upfront truths that need to be made clear to filmmakers. But I get it, that won't sell the courses well enough. Anyway, my two cents, Curren. I respect your work and so do I respect Luc and Mark's work, they've worked on really high budget things too, I know.
@@anneboyer6359 I hear you and I agree on that buying a course and watching a course won't get you far. You've got to practice and train and make tons of mistakes on your own - BUT, having a place where you can see how other people work, have other people comment on your work, and be part of a community is very valuable. As a self-taught filmmaker myself, I really missed that the first 5-6 years of my career because it wasn't really available (2012-2017 or so). Luckily, I had some friends and collaborators to work things out with. But I do think that anyone who really takes a critical eye to their own work, tries to improve and learn new skills, will be getting nice budgets to make filmmaking their career. And I think both Luc and Mark say you need to make money on other parts of filmmaking (commercials, branded content, etc) and not just rely on your own films - and I agree with that as well. I've made some features that have sold and done well and some that did the film festival route and just cost me money. But my steady commercial work and DP work has allowed me to take those chances on things I'm passionate about. Thanks for the lively discussion! It's am important one here on UA-cam and the internet as whole.
I saw 4 of my shots in there!!! AOD is great!! To someones point, you have to put in the work. Yea paying for courses isnt gonna magically make you batter, but you have to put in the knowledge and keep going. The passion will take you for the journey. You discover over time your ego goes to the sidelines and the process is the goal. If you cant fall in love with the creation aspect, you will never make it in this space. Thanks for reading. And thanks Curren for making vids.
Nice! AOD was nice enough to send along some of their trailers, so they must be pushing your work - nice job! Also totally agree with all your points. The more you can set aside your ego and just continue to learn, refine, and go for your own desired outcomes, the better off you'll be. I appreciate you stopping by.
@CurrenSheldon always my man! Loved Heroine, Recovery Boys, and King Coal. I also love to be more intentional. I enjoyed the hybrid docs the most. Keep creating my man!
This is so wild! I am currently following 4 of the 5 you mentioned, a couple I'd share for color grading are Cullen Kelly and Darren Mostyn. Both are working professionals and have a great balance of "how" as well as "why" in their videos. Also, crazy to stumble across your channel being a native to TN myself. I have Best Clowns in my queue of films to watch right now 😃
Aw nice! Best Clowns is good fun 🤡
Brother by far the best film channel here. Thank for the no bs great content.
Appreciate the kind words! more NO BS content forthcoming.
Been watching Luc for a bit and just found your channel today, you both are great!
Awesome resources! This is part of being humble and growing.
100%. Be humble, keep learning from everywhere you can, keep improving.
Super helpful!
Hey Curren, just found you recently.
I’ve been watching Mark Bone for a while and you both have a similar high quality feel to your videos.
Thanks for the great content!
I appreciate that! Thanks for watching and Mark is one of the best here in UA-cam, so I'll take the compliment.
@@CurrenSheldonabsolutely!!
Nur Niaz, Scott Peters, cammackey, andberry, tenfold productions...many others I can not think of immediately but the fellas I mentioned are great sources of knowledge, industry intel, and fun to follow...and Frame Set channel is making some really good content with special guests and such.
Great additions!
Also Austin Meyer is another good documentary filmmaker to check out.
First time Ive seen patrick without a hat and now it all makes sense as to why he wears it in all of his videos!
Don't forget to add yourself to the list as well.
Thanks for watching and the support - channel is growing, so hopefully can impact more filmmakers down the road.
No Frame & Reference mention to get people to sneakily listen to you a second time!? 😂😂
Aw shoot! I'll have to do another vid about best podcasts...
A gmood list so far, Curren. I want to add Documentary Cinematographer Matt Porwoll's channel to this conversation. www.youtube.com/@matt-porwoll
Yes, Matt definitely deserves to be on the list - thanks for the addition!
5$ patreon subscription to WanderingDP > any film school
Why do self taught filmmakers feel the need to bash film school? PS. Film school doesn't cost "hundreds of thousands".
Thanks for making this video and appreciating really solid film channels. I'm a senior film student and have now worked on 2 narrative feature films as well as now making connections in the local commercial community. I've watched too many "filmmaking" channels and found myself narrowing down to the channels you mentioned and a couple of more like Scott Peters, Spenser Sakurai, Standard Story Company, etc. There are a lot of film channels out there that just come across as a grift to me. Cammackey, Kofi, and several others in their community have some decent experience, especially from their solo videographer or photographer backgrounds, but seem so click baity. They also have seemed like they are trying to act like the experts on set yet a lot of the advice they give is just gear reviews or amateur filmmaking advice. Which props to them in getting the bag, but I'm gonna take any of their lighting tips or film set bts tips with a large grain of salt. Several of them in that general videography/crossover into commercial and short film industry like to preach about not needing film school when many of them never really went to film school. No, you don't need film school, but a great one will teach you a ton about the technical and narrative side to filmmaking and give you connections and experience on set (usually student sets) before getting into the professional world. I'm just at a point in my filmmaking journey where WanderingDP, Luc Forsyth, and a few others give me more advanced advice and tips that I need and want. Some of those tips I haven't even heard in film school classes, especially from WanderingDP's cinematography tips. I've had so many rants in youtube comments about these guys being the ones people should follow if they actually want to make films at a professional level, whether top level commercials, docs, or narratives.
Another thing to add on, Danny, Luc, Sakurai, Scott Peters, Patrick O'Sullivan, and the others in their boat also have an attitude of honesty and learning about them. They've made amazing stuff, but their willing to admit that their work isn't perfect and could be better. They also point out their own mistakes and try to learn from them too. Those areas alone make me appreciate and want to learn more from them than channels that are focused on reviewing cameras and the new lights or make videos on getting "cinematic lighting", the A24 look, "anamorphic", etc.
I would rather watch your and their free videos on this platform tbh. Let me caution film students and aspiring people out there, most of the people selling you a $1000 or $800 course will not magically make you a filmmaker one day. That simply ain't happening. And for the love of God, please think. All of the things these people sell you in courses, you can learn for free right here on youtube itself, from channels like Curren Sheldon himself. Also let me tell you, I am not against paying for something. What I am saying is some of those filmmakers selling you a course for $1000 or whatever, supposin 500 people buy their course, you've just made them half a million $$. If you're loaded with money, you do you. If you're not, please for the love of God, don't fall into the trap of courses.
Thanks for watching my videos and the kind words. I'm glad you find them useful.
In terms of courses, I definitely think it's good to be wary of any course, but I can definitely vouch for the quality of AOD and Luc and Patrick's content. Everyone needs to decide if the price is right for them. If you put into practice what you can learn in AOD (or any full-course), then there is no reason you can't be making $800/day+ as a cinematographer/director/editor/etc - which means the course that got you there cost less than a day's work.
And while you can learn anything you want on UA-cam, sometimes it is worth $50, $100, or $250 to have someone organize and give you the correct information in the correct order. When you're a beginner or looking to level up, the hardest part is knowing WHAT information to look for and what to learn first, second, and third - and not so much accessing that content.
The other tough part is that it's next to impossible to make money on UA-cam with less than 100k views per video, so if you're going to spend the amount of time it takes to make all the helpful, free videos, you've got to figure out a way to make it worth your time.
Just a few thoughts - but I do think you're right that you need to do your research as there are a lot of long, time-wasting, and not very helpful courses out there.
@@CurrenSheldon I respect you and don't think that you are shilling for anyone, I believe you genuinely endorse things you care about. But the claim that if you put their course into practice, you can make $800+/day is a dangerous one. There's plenty of students from these courses who are nowhere near any of that. Let's for example, break down a claim like that by analyzing what these very people say. Luc Forsyth and Mark Bone have publicly claimed things like "you will need to have a primary job and do this thing on the side". That, in no way, is $800+/day. Also, let's be honest here. It's a long journey even IF you 'make it' to that point of getting nearly a $1000 a day. Not to leave the idea out that NOT everyone's gonna make it to that point. These are upfront truths that need to be made clear to filmmakers. But I get it, that won't sell the courses well enough. Anyway, my two cents, Curren. I respect your work and so do I respect Luc and Mark's work, they've worked on really high budget things too, I know.
@@anneboyer6359 I hear you and I agree on that buying a course and watching a course won't get you far. You've got to practice and train and make tons of mistakes on your own - BUT, having a place where you can see how other people work, have other people comment on your work, and be part of a community is very valuable. As a self-taught filmmaker myself, I really missed that the first 5-6 years of my career because it wasn't really available (2012-2017 or so). Luckily, I had some friends and collaborators to work things out with.
But I do think that anyone who really takes a critical eye to their own work, tries to improve and learn new skills, will be getting nice budgets to make filmmaking their career. And I think both Luc and Mark say you need to make money on other parts of filmmaking (commercials, branded content, etc) and not just rely on your own films - and I agree with that as well. I've made some features that have sold and done well and some that did the film festival route and just cost me money. But my steady commercial work and DP work has allowed me to take those chances on things I'm passionate about.
Thanks for the lively discussion! It's am important one here on UA-cam and the internet as whole.