Terrible call on Manuela's block. She was already in the air to make the block while Helton was still standing flat footed on the field. She absolutely made a clean block. Literally pause it at 9:52 and you can see Manuela in the air touching the disc in the air while Helton's feet are still on the ground. Helton simply did not have a play on that disc. If they had both committed at the same time and Helton had to change direction to avoid contact that would be another story, but Helton was way behind Manuela's play.
0:33 - Wow, Finney manages to gain more than a full yard on that travel. It really seems that she struggles to keep her pivot foot down on those big backhand fakes; she does it again at 13:20.
That foul call on Cardenas block was such a bad call. Got beaten clean and nice. Such a shame on the spirit. Really sours the nice plays of this sport.
@@antoinelepagnol430 but cardanes is moving in a straight line. Helton changes direction to turn into the space cardanes is entering. Its therefore heltons duty to prevent dangerous play and she is not permitted to enter that space. Therefore its not a foul
@@klweth5439 ya I agree with you, I even think if there was a collision here, it would have been a dangerous play on Helton. It feels like an inverted version of the classic dangerous play "handler runs upline, person in stack who can see everything poaches and the handler runs into them" In this case, Cardenas feels like the handler running upline, looking back / to the sideline for the disc. Helton is like a player in the stack moving in for the poach D but then (because of she has full vision of the play and no momentum) smartly chooses to avoid a collision.
@@klweth5439 the rules of the dangerous play is Every player is entitled to occupy any position on the field not occupied by any opposing player, provided that they do not initiate contact in taking such a position, and are not moving in a reckless or dangerously aggressive manner. Diving into a space without knowledge where is your opponent is a reckless manner. She changed her statut from legal manner (running to the disc) to reckless manner (diving into a space without knowledge). Without this statut change it would be a no contest clean D.
4:30 - it rolled *out of bounds* and she tried to put it into play, but her teammate told her she had to take it to the front. This is correct. Regardless if she stopped, it is illegal to take it from the endzone, she HAS to take it from the front of the endzone. The crowd and Cardenas got it wrong.
Actually the player can choose which one they want to bring it in at. Since she threw a fake, she established a pivot. The crowd and Cardenas got it right. "WFDF Rules 7.11: If the disc initially contacts the playing field and then becomes out-of-bounds without contacting an offensive player, the thrower must establish a pivot point where the disc first crossed the perimeter line, OR the nearest location in the central zone if that pivot point would be in their defending end zone."
@@HighQualityBanter_ Good spot, I had to watch it three times before I even noticed the fake. I feel like in a lower level game players wouldn't have even noticed.
The way this part reads "OR the nearest location in the central zone if that pivot point would be in their defending end zone" makes me think that the pivot she *tried* to establish (the fake) would have been in her defending endzone - so she has to bring it to an area on the "central zone" (not the perimeter lines NOR the end zone line, which is what she tried to do). I think semantically she shouldn't have been allowed to establish a pivot there.
besides that awful foul call on Manuela's block, I think this is some of the best ultimate ive seen
probably trying to argue dangerous play. but it looks like a clean d
@@7878mechanic7878 Yeah dangerous play is too nebulous, but I bet that's what her call was. Like "I can't bid for the disc without getting smashed"
craziest universe point ever
this might be the best game of ultimate that's been played
Terrible call on Manuela's block. She was already in the air to make the block while Helton was still standing flat footed on the field. She absolutely made a clean block. Literally pause it at 9:52 and you can see Manuela in the air touching the disc in the air while Helton's feet are still on the ground. Helton simply did not have a play on that disc. If they had both committed at the same time and Helton had to change direction to avoid contact that would be another story, but Helton was way behind Manuela's play.
0:33 - Wow, Finney manages to gain more than a full yard on that travel. It really seems that she struggles to keep her pivot foot down on those big backhand fakes; she does it again at 13:20.
That foul call on Cardenas block was such a bad call. Got beaten clean and nice. Such a shame on the spirit. Really sours the nice plays of this sport.
Maybe Cardenas won't get called for dangerous play if she didn't hit people so often...
Diving into a space witbout knowledge where is your opponent is a dangerous play.
@@antoinelepagnol430 but cardanes is moving in a straight line. Helton changes direction to turn into the space cardanes is entering. Its therefore heltons duty to prevent dangerous play and she is not permitted to enter that space. Therefore its not a foul
@@klweth5439 ya I agree with you, I even think if there was a collision here, it would have been a dangerous play on Helton.
It feels like an inverted version of the classic dangerous play "handler runs upline, person in stack who can see everything poaches and the handler runs into them"
In this case, Cardenas feels like the handler running upline, looking back / to the sideline for the disc. Helton is like a player in the stack moving in for the poach D but then (because of she has full vision of the play and no momentum) smartly chooses to avoid a collision.
@@klweth5439 the rules of the dangerous play is
Every player is entitled to occupy any position on the field not occupied by any opposing player,
provided that they do not initiate contact in taking such a position, and are not moving in a reckless or
dangerously aggressive manner.
Diving into a space without knowledge where is your opponent is a reckless manner. She changed her statut from legal manner (running to the disc) to reckless manner (diving into a space without knowledge). Without this statut change it would be a no contest clean D.
4:30 - it rolled *out of bounds* and she tried to put it into play, but her teammate told her she had to take it to the front. This is correct. Regardless if she stopped, it is illegal to take it from the endzone, she HAS to take it from the front of the endzone. The crowd and Cardenas got it wrong.
Actually the player can choose which one they want to bring it in at. Since she threw a fake, she established a pivot. The crowd and Cardenas got it right.
"WFDF Rules 7.11: If the disc initially contacts the playing field and then becomes out-of-bounds without contacting an offensive player, the thrower must establish a pivot point where the disc first crossed the perimeter line, OR the nearest location in the central zone if that pivot point would be in their defending end zone."
@@HighQualityBanter_ Good spot, I had to watch it three times before I even noticed the fake. I feel like in a lower level game players wouldn't have even noticed.
The way this part reads "OR the nearest location in the central zone if that pivot point would be in their defending end zone" makes me think that the pivot she *tried* to establish (the fake) would have been in her defending endzone - so she has to bring it to an area on the "central zone" (not the perimeter lines NOR the end zone line, which is what she tried to do). I think semantically she shouldn't have been allowed to establish a pivot there.
first point level so bad. stop watching