I'm so glad that somebody else finally covered extended dash cancels, especially since I did a really poor job explaining them! Another important note is that if you try to EDC jab, forward tilt, or neutral special or down special while you run off a ledge or platform, (and using the method at 3:37) you'll instead buffer a nair, fair, or special the frame you leave the platform. I made another (kind of hard to understand) video about this here: ua-cam.com/video/B-6dzCf_2mI/v-deo.html
Can we just take a hot second to appreciate the attention to detail in this game? Look at 2:35 . Look at Sonic's eyes. He looks at where he's kicking, then shifts his gaze back down to where he's landing. No one will ever notice this detail in a match, or really care, but it's in there. Effin' Nintendo polish, man.
This seems like a pretty good combo extender for characters that have dtilts like yoshi’s so I bet other characters like Pikachu and Luigi get brand new extensions
This could be good for Lucas as his down tilt confirms into grab, f-tilt , f smash and d smash depending on percentage/character pretty well. Getting that stubby leg out there just a little further/quicker will help his range a lot.
you know theres lack of info for this tech, when you are using it without noticing/knowing, there was discovered and have a proper name. i have using it with marth/lucina for pressuring shields and catching someone with a reversal up tilt since i discovered thinking it was a variation of pivot cancel
Shoto mains have been kinda hiding this for a good while and we call it dashwalking and if you just flick the c stick and not hold it you will cancel the dash into a walk and is great for extending pressure
I first started using this when I picked up greninja. It is actually the optimal way to extend a vast majority of his combos. Also, if you let go of the c stick but keep holding your analog stick, you'll actually go from a dash straight into your walking animation. Super helpful with footsies and spacing in general, given gren has 0 oos options.
Holy crap!! I was using this technique the whole time without noticing that it was already discovered a long time ago! :0 Being a Fox main and not having Nintendo Online yet(I only play at lvl 9 vs the CPU), i've been practicing and using DC and EDC as a stronger alternative for Dash Attack, also reading techs or 2-framing to start a Ledgetrap and it's as satisfying as landing a 1st hit Upair into Upsmash Bruh
frenzy light did a sheik video about dashwalking where you do this but let go of the analog stick at the right timing to just get the extende dash with no tilt. its good for sheik and some other characters but I didn't know it also extended lenth on the tilt. Great Vid!
I always just did Dashwalking for this kind of effect. Dashwalk can't be interrupted with Tap Jump so it makes run-up Utilts way easier and it also lets you just keep holding forward for Ftilt anyways which is nice
So this video actually gets some info wrong. All initial dashes within the game can be extended by doing a second input of forward during the first 8 frames of your dash. The c-stick acts like a second directional input. However, because you can't do a move during your initial dash the move is cancelled and you just end up doing an extended initial dash. What this tech is doing is using continuing to hold the c-stick during the initial dash(what the video gets wrong is putting a frame window on this tech)to get the extension and have the move of your choice come out. Btw all dashes are 14 frames long.
This looks like it would be a good way to get started on the timing for attack cancel back airs as the timing for the EDC seems similar, just without the jump
to respond to the issues mentioned at the end, I feel like it's be more intuitive and less committal to default to dash walking and input your option at your own discretion, whether it be right at the end of the extended dash and before the walk, or right out of walking itself
Great observation. I'm unfamiliar in the applicability of this, but I understand and definitely want to lab your concept. Very very interesting take, man.🍻
Very non intuitive, dash walking tech is something that’s rarely useful because of the speed of the game. Walking or going for a dash in general is a much better choice, rather than trying to combine the two
@@Bamblagram lmaoooo settle down Myran. My original post has nothing to do with viability, but rather relative viability to this video's showcased tech as a potential solution to the problems Juggleboy mentioned. But if you're still unsatisfied, I'd love to play some games with you bud. tonictimbo#7603
I actually did this after I saw that my main Barely moved when dash cancelling and I had someone telling me that there is a technique to dash cancel longer and I came here
I have drift even after getting my joycons fixed. Though now they are in a different spot. So I won't ever be able to do it. Also, I heard that drift comes from the type of material Nintendo is using, so let's hope they change it.
@@StoryTeller796 Gamecube is the historic controller for smash, and it does work great. The switch' Pro controller is also a good option. They are equally viable now and mostly down to habits/preferences. And if you choose a pro controller and go to tourney, try to get a wired one, your TO will thank you
Can you combine this with a b-reverse/wavebounce? I feel like if you can get that extra slide fox gets on a b-reverse with other characters, then that’s a really powerful retreating tool.
So to my knowledge, a dashwalk tilt, what you're referring to, is done at 5:55, which requires the first use of the c stick to cancel the run, and a second use to perform the tilt. The EDC is all done in one action
Juggleboy I believe the reason for the double tap is for shoto players to get light tilts because if they did it the standard way they'd always get heavy tilts
You can combo a couple of ROBs down tilts without it, but you are less close to your opponent after the hit, which leads to less followups. In general they are better
I don't know if you've realized this but this isn't a cancel. Dashes in this game have varying lengths depending on how long you hold the stick for, the longer you hold the stick, the longer the dash will be. It's just part of the basic movement of the game since Melee I believe.
A good way to test this yourself is to input no move and just dash with the character in the same way you are on the video, you will see the exact same result.
It's a lot like a dash-walk, except that the attack comes out the frame your dash ends, as opposed to a dash-walk tilt, where you have to time it. Typically the term "dash-walk" is reserved for when you allow the character to walk for a bit before you attack. EDC's are essentially attacks buffered out of a dash-walk then, if that makes sense.
Combro Yeah I think I’ve seen/done some of that for closing distance using Ryu/Ken’s heavy up and down tilts since you buffer those out of the initial dash. Regular dash-walking to just get around and close distance to then use light d-tilt or something is something a lot of shotos do as well but the buffered tilts are good for anti-airing and catching grounded approaches. Might be slightly different though since I input the dash and then hold down or up on the c-stick while continuing to hold forward on the left stick. Tried this method with reversing the f-tilt tonight though and it was kinda sick! I’d only ever done that out of pivot cancelling so it’s cool to have new burst option for it.
I do this with chrom f smash and I found this out DAY ONE but I thought it was just something that was in smash four so I assumed this as part of the game's movement not tech.
I'm so glad that somebody else finally covered extended dash cancels, especially since I did a really poor job explaining them! Another important note is that if you try to EDC jab, forward tilt, or neutral special or down special while you run off a ledge or platform, (and using the method at 3:37) you'll instead buffer a nair, fair, or special the frame you leave the platform. I made another (kind of hard to understand) video about this here: ua-cam.com/video/B-6dzCf_2mI/v-deo.html
Can we just take a hot second to appreciate the attention to detail in this game? Look at 2:35 . Look at Sonic's eyes. He looks at where he's kicking, then shifts his gaze back down to where he's landing. No one will ever notice this detail in a match, or really care, but it's in there. Effin' Nintendo polish, man.
Not really the best example
Yet the move still has like 40 frames of end lag.
This seems like a pretty good combo extender for characters that have dtilts like yoshi’s so I bet other characters like Pikachu and Luigi get brand new extensions
I can see Pichu get a kill confirm with dtilt into ftilt but idk maybe pichu can already do that i’m not a pichu main.
Damn I didn’t even know this existed thanks Juggleboy
This could be good for Lucas as his down tilt confirms into grab, f-tilt , f smash and d smash depending on percentage/character pretty well. Getting that stubby leg out there just a little further/quicker will help his range a lot.
great video man; it's great seeing the fundamental tutorials being optimized
If you do the ftilt one, by orienting the left stick you get the angled vesion of your tilt (great for wolf, puff etc)
Could you elaborate a bit further? It's just interesting. What character did you first find this method with?
@@robertvega3568 wolf. try the same technique but instead of forward stick give it up forward or down forward
I've been looking forward to this video! Thank you
I remember when you taught me about this! Great video as usual!
you know theres lack of info for this tech, when you are using it without noticing/knowing, there was discovered and have a proper name.
i have using it with marth/lucina for pressuring shields and catching someone with a reversal up tilt since i discovered thinking it was a variation of pivot cancel
Lil bit like a wavedash huh? Especially with the pivot cancels too. Fun.
Shoto mains have been kinda hiding this for a good while and we call it dashwalking and if you just flick the c stick and not hold it you will cancel the dash into a walk and is great for extending pressure
I've been dash walking by accident since 2019 lol
I first started using this when I picked up greninja. It is actually the optimal way to extend a vast majority of his combos. Also, if you let go of the c stick but keep holding your analog stick, you'll actually go from a dash straight into your walking animation. Super helpful with footsies and spacing in general, given gren has 0 oos options.
Holy crap!! I was using this technique the whole time without noticing that it was already discovered a long time ago! :0
Being a Fox main and not having Nintendo Online yet(I only play at lvl 9 vs the CPU), i've been practicing and using DC and EDC as a stronger alternative for Dash Attack, also reading techs or 2-framing to start a Ledgetrap and it's as satisfying as landing a 1st hit Upair into Upsmash
Bruh
Also mentioning that I try to use it with Uptilt but it's difficult for me at the moment.
At around 10% EDC ftilt is probably optimal for fox cause it combos into dash attack
I taught myself this for ftilt, I just noticed it looked weird for dr Mario when I did that
frenzy light did a sheik video about dashwalking where you do this but let go of the analog stick at the right timing to just get the extende dash with no tilt. its good for sheik and some other characters but I didn't know it also extended lenth on the tilt. Great Vid!
I always just did Dashwalking for this kind of effect. Dashwalk can't be interrupted with Tap Jump so it makes run-up Utilts way easier and it also lets you just keep holding forward for Ftilt anyways which is nice
So sonic's up tilt has actual range now?
So this video actually gets some info wrong. All initial dashes within the game can be extended by doing a second input of forward during the first 8 frames of your dash. The c-stick acts like a second directional input. However, because you can't do a move during your initial dash the move is cancelled and you just end up doing an extended initial dash. What this tech is doing is using continuing to hold the c-stick during the initial dash(what the video gets wrong is putting a frame window on this tech)to get the extension and have the move of your choice come out. Btw all dashes are 14 frames long.
I love tech vids
This looks like it would be a good way to get started on the timing for attack cancel back airs as the timing for the EDC seems similar, just without the jump
These videos are so easy to understand :)
I have been doing this tech since my first week in Ultimate lol I just thought it was normal movement with a tilt. The more you know haha 😎
to respond to the issues mentioned at the end, I feel like it's be more intuitive and less committal to default to dash walking and input your option at your own discretion, whether it be right at the end of the extended dash and before the walk, or right out of walking itself
Great observation. I'm unfamiliar in the applicability of this, but I understand and definitely want to lab your concept. Very very interesting take, man.🍻
Very non intuitive, dash walking tech is something that’s rarely useful because of the speed of the game. Walking or going for a dash in general is a much better choice, rather than trying to combine the two
@@Bamblagram lmao
Tim M we can play some games and you can show me how useful dash walking is? :)
@@Bamblagram lmaoooo settle down Myran. My original post has nothing to do with viability, but rather relative viability to this video's showcased tech as a potential solution to the problems Juggleboy mentioned.
But if you're still unsatisfied, I'd love to play some games with you bud. tonictimbo#7603
I actually did this after I saw that my main Barely moved when dash cancelling and I had someone telling me that there is a technique to dash cancel longer and I came here
I have drift even after getting my joycons fixed. Though now they are in a different spot. So I won't ever be able to do it.
Also, I heard that drift comes from the type of material Nintendo is using, so let's hope they change it.
EmperorBoo Dr.Uknown or just get a real controller
@@alvinramali1739 good plan. GameCube?
@@StoryTeller796 Gamecube is the historic controller for smash, and it does work great. The switch' Pro controller is also a good option. They are equally viable now and mostly down to habits/preferences.
And if you choose a pro controller and go to tourney, try to get a wired one, your TO will thank you
fox downsmash gets a crazy burst from this
this is a great video!
u make me happy :D
Can you combine this with a b-reverse/wavebounce? I feel like if you can get that extra slide fox gets on a b-reverse with other characters, then that’s a really powerful retreating tool.
With some characters, I cancel my foxtrot to dash attack using the c stick. I'm not sure how many times I've accidentally got this tech.
it's a known tech called instant dash attack, if you tilt the c-stick during your initial dash, you'll do a dash attack. I use it all the time.
Have u been trying idj with Kirby ??
How do I execute this without dash attacking?
You may also know this tech as dashwalking.
5:39
I mean this tech is done out of a dashwalk. :/
sevven yea
So to my knowledge, a dashwalk tilt, what you're referring to, is done at 5:55, which requires the first use of the c stick to cancel the run, and a second use to perform the tilt. The EDC is all done in one action
Juggleboy I believe the reason for the double tap is for shoto players to get light tilts because if they did it the standard way they'd always get heavy tilts
I was trying to do this with ken, it sometimes works there are some times that i almost double the lenght of the dash, someone knows why this happens?
The shots and Terry get a full on extended dash because of the mechanics
@@manligi9701 is not very useful i think
@@azdf43
It's situational and kinda niche use
i keep accidentally dash attacking help
So when should I do pivot cancel fowart tilt and edc? Can you only connect robs dtilt by doing edc?
You can combo a couple of ROBs down tilts without it, but you are less close to your opponent after the hit, which leads to less followups. In general they are better
I don't know if you've realized this but this isn't a cancel. Dashes in this game have varying lengths depending on how long you hold the stick for, the longer you hold the stick, the longer the dash will be. It's just part of the basic movement of the game since Melee I believe.
A good way to test this yourself is to input no move and just dash with the character in the same way you are on the video, you will see the exact same result.
Isn’t this called a dash walk or it’s actually something else
Is this the same thing as dash-walk for the shotos?
It's a lot like a dash-walk, except that the attack comes out the frame your dash ends, as opposed to a dash-walk tilt, where you have to time it. Typically the term "dash-walk" is reserved for when you allow the character to walk for a bit before you attack. EDC's are essentially attacks buffered out of a dash-walk then, if that makes sense.
Combro Yeah I think I’ve seen/done some of that for closing distance using Ryu/Ken’s heavy up and down tilts since you buffer those out of the initial dash. Regular dash-walking to just get around and close distance to then use light d-tilt or something is something a lot of shotos do as well but the buffered tilts are good for anti-airing and catching grounded approaches. Might be slightly different though since I input the dash and then hold down or up on the c-stick while continuing to hold forward on the left stick. Tried this method with reversing the f-tilt tonight though and it was kinda sick! I’d only ever done that out of pivot cancelling so it’s cool to have new burst option for it.
Does this also work in Project+ as well?
I doubt it since dashing mechanics are so different in P+, and even if it does work there's literally no reason to use it over wavedashing
Thought it would be sick for Lucas but unfortunately Lucas goes nowhere with any move
Why does Juggleboy kinda sound like jan Misali?
I do this with chrom f smash and I found this out DAY ONE but I thought it was just something that was in smash four so I assumed this as part of the game's movement not tech.
As a fellow rob main... THANK YOU!
I was waiting for this after marss did it
What did he do? I don’t see any applications for ZSS.
Neat
Do you have to use c stick
No
I bet Min Min benefits the most from this!!!!!1!111!!11!!
rip my one joycon
Man, I want wait to try this tech out!
(looks at Palu’s tilts)
Oh
Probably nothing as an icy main
i dont get it
This is known well to the fighting game characters. Its just a dashwalk cancel tilt to most people
When you can't pull a game theory, well i don't want to rag but..
first lol join the discord
What a weird way of saying poyo
You're late to the party dawg