Was Abraham about to Sacrifice Ishmael or Isaac?
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
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Dr Shabir Ally reviews the debate on the child of Abraham's sacrifice.
He is the President of the Islamic Information & Dawah Centre International in Toronto.
When God told Abraham that Isaac would live long and have lots of descendants it means he was NOT part of any TEST.
The circumcision and covenant were given as a reward for passing the test. One year later, Isaac was born.
Torah clearly says Isaac was sacrificed in place of lamb later! Sarah passed away because her son was about to be sacrificed!
I love brother Shamir even more with the full face beard !
You just look much better with full face beard
It was not God telling Abraham to sacrifice either son. JS!
The revelations of GOD were passed down the generations through the seed of Isaac. This is the everlasting covenant GOD made with Abraham. Surely this is proof enough that the sacrificial child was Isaac. Islam does not even dispute this fact.
Perhaps you didn't watch the video or you don't know what Muslims believe regarding Prophets. For Muslims, Prophets were sent to different nations (not just Israel) and the criteria of prophethood was not by race or tribe but by RIGHTEOUSNESS, Q2:124. So any righteous descendant of Abraham are included in the promise.
@@naijamuslim8364 Sure, I never mentioned Prophets. I merely mentioned the revelations of GOD were passed down through the seed of Isaac. When the Qu'ran mentions in Surah 37:108 that "We have left this blessing for him among generations to come" I understood this to mean in terms of revelation. In other words the revelations of GOD are left with him for future generations. This is proof that the sacrificial child was isaac
@@ebojfmdboojoh4023
Revelations come through prophets brother. I'll appreciate if you don't try to superimpose your beliefs on the Quran. Check the same chapter and you'll see the same statement used for other prophets as well. What is objective and logical is that God sends revelations to the different righteous descendants of Abraham, and of other righteous individuals outside Abraham's family. (You could easily refute this by telling us that Ishmael was not righteous)
So the question of who was sacrificed still remains. So for that, watched the video to note the points presented.
the covenant has always been with Ishmael, not the weakling Isaac.
@@normLoue Whatever your feelings on which child was sacraficed, the Quran says Isaac as a prophet and one of the Righteous. It is extremely disrepectful to demean and insult a prophet of GOD, by calling them a weakling. As a Non-Muslim How would you react if i called Mohammed a weakling. Please be more respectful.
Was this argument of the scholars or God's word?? You Muslims are not serious!!
If all the names of decendand if ishameal is not even known, instead you know the decendants even present in Koran
Well done in finding a stark contrast between the two books- only because your bible is a biography tribal racist history book whilest the Noble Quran is a book for motal guidence to suceed in this life & the next life for eternity.
The next life mention was deleted out of the entire Torah part of bible, sadly not a book of God as it doesn't even lead to Him nor seeing His boly face in paradise- doesn't even exist in Torah part of Bible.
have to check dead sea scrolls if really isaac or ishmael
Just keep in mind that the oldest copy of OT is from 1115 CE, 500 years after Quran. Christians may have changed Ishmael to Isaac to justify their NT preach this gospel to the whole world by the name of father son and holy ghost. But no, Jesus pbuh, who was a jew, said he had come for the jews only. While Muhammad SAW was an arab, a descendant of Ishmael came saying he is a prophet for all mankind. By that fact itself we can say christians twisted the scripture for their own good, just like they did with all those other so called prophecies.
@@sacredrider Pleasw tell me you really dont believe this? Pleasw tell me you have brain cells
@@phyrestarter it's true, it does something to your little brain.
@user-ou8qk6mo3y No, it didn't do anything to my little brain at all. Thank you for your concern. Thank you also for showing that you don't need a big brain to write dumb things. You have mastered it.
@@phyrestarter keep telling us you have a small brain.
The sacrifice was not Ishmael it was Isaac
Okay then. Again we have to remind fellow Muslims and non-Muslims that this topic is not explicitly stated in the Quran and not a necessity for salvation. It's just a matter of bragging right between the descendants of the two sons of Abraham. I think the evidence better supports Ishmael, but in the end, it doesn't matter who was sacrificed. The lesson in the sacrifice that God will test our willingness to submit to Him is all that matters.
@@naijamuslim8364 The evidence actually supports Issac not Ishmael hence the reason the Muslim scholars can’t come to an agreement. Why does Allah need a Sacrifice anyway? I thought he can do all things?
@@cloudgil1862read the whole comment and comprehend it.
@@Hebiscus998
It takes a special type of mind to be an Abdul sorry I cannot comprehend that way lol
@@cloudgil1862oh so you do not submit to God? That’s very arrogant.
See the whole point here is1. God wanted to test Abraham's faith in Him. So God asked Abraham to sacrifice Isaac the son of the promise NOT the son of a slave woman. Sarah was the wife and mother of Isaac whereas Hagar was the slave woman the mother of Ishmael. 2. Abraham was stopped by God from sacrificing Isaac because God gave His own son as a sacrifice thousands of years later.
None of this is in the Quran, so we have no clue but stories and stories...just fallowing forefathers!
It is impossible that a circumcised boy would be offered as a sacrifice
In the Bible, God tells Abraham that he will have another son who will have lots of descendants. This was told to Abraham even before Isaac was born. Therefore Isaac is null void for the test.
Take your only son is the key sentence to refer to Ishmail... as Ishaq is yet to be born...
Wrong. Issac was 10-11 at the time of the sacrifice. In fact, Issac was looking for the animal that Abraham was going to sacrifice, to innocent to realize it was him. God wanted Sarah to bring in the tribes. Not her slave! He didn’t want Hagar or Ishmael.
@@lemonadelemon1960 yes your version is correct if the story is based on a half-faked Torah
@@ZZ-ls5hv yes. And your story is based on…..what exactly? The Quran? Came 600 years after. From an angel in a cave.
@@lemonadelemon1960 it is OK even if it came about later than the fake tanakh... As your tanakh contain soft porn stuffs..
'Holy' porn?
@@ZZ-ls5hv saying something so stupid, doesn’t even deserve a a response.
First born was Ishmael… God heard. The promise is in both … but the great nation promise is only in Ishmael.
True I believe too. Muslims are more than jews
When God told Abraham that Isaac would live long and have lots of descendants it means he was NOT part of any TEST.
for me, I don't really believe in the bible because there are many denials.
I will just read the bible for the error there and compare it with the Holy Qur-an.
Example:
at the tomb of Jesus what do they see Mariam and companions?
the book of;
1) Mark 16:5
they saw a
(Young man).
2) Matthew 28:2 they saw the (Angel).1 singular.
3) John 20:11-12 they saw
are (2 Angels).
4) John 20:12 Bible
they saw (2 Angels).
5) book of Luke 24:4 they found there
is (2 men).
6) the book of Mark again. Mark 16:3-4 they saw there is( the stone was rolled away). didn't move just rolled on itself.
Question? who among them 6 is telling the truth?.
note in the book of Revelation 22:18.
after all, the punishment is small so the lie is still written. That's all lies I'll share here.and there are many more here.
By Tradition of the Bani Israel its the *FIRST BORN* .
Isaac name first appear in the *SEPTUAGINT* (300-1 BCE)
There is NO MENTION as to who in *The Dead Sea Scroll* (800-1 BCE)
Abraham is in 2,000+ BCE
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The First Born is practiced till today by The Indian, Chinese, Archipelagos, Japanese, Korean etc etc
That would make Esau the father of the twelve tribes. That would make Saul the one and only king of Israel. That would make Rueben the son who inherited jacobs robe. Which is not the case.
The first son was Ishmael .
Numbers 3:13 for all the firstborn are mine.
False teachers are mentioned in the bible . He is one of them, he Is ignorant , he knows the truth Jesus is lord but he is ignorant
Your boy was sent away. He was gone at the time. Ishmael gets nothing!!
If the sacrifice was Isaac, why did Abraham's wife permit him to have an affair with sarah
Excellent point. Couple that with Ishmael being "the only son" or FIRST BORN of Abraham then we know Ishmael is the child of sacrifice. Their Tanak is a forgery.
By incenuating illigitimacy against one on Abraham sons, you're excluding even Isaac, Abraham& Sarah out of the kingdom of God for 10 generations! your vile hate against Gods friend& His prophet Abraham only reflects on you& the moral standards you were raised on.
Out of our love to God, muslims love all of His prophets equally Ishmael& Isaac PBU them both. But if others insist on denigrating one of Abrahams sons, then Islam challanges all bible believers by correcting the bible edited sacrifice story.
If you believe in bible, this is a challenge for you from bible itself:
Since his parents were promised by God before the birth of Isaac that he shall be multiplied& kings from his off spring according to Genesis 17:17& 17:19, then were is the sacrifice or any test at all in Abraham taking Isaac to the slaughter, when he already knew Isaac shall live to make him grandchildren?
We know you cannot answer this obvious forgery by the scribes in what used to be holy scripture, changing the name of Abrahams only son for 14 yrs as the logical sacrifice son, as per the Torah principle in Gods promise being always with your eldest son even if you hated his mother for those who married 2 wives according to Deut 21:15. The Noble Quran not only corrects that bible corruption, the Noble Quran brings back what was deleted from bible: The belief in the concept of an afterlife- totally eliminated from the Jewish bible (1st five books). May be these people don't want to return to see God!
To know God is to love Him and want to go back to God& meet Him in the afterlife- enter His house- paradise
What's worse for christianity in particular, is that the writer of NT Hebrews 11:17 links the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross to that of his father Isaac, which is a forgery. Hence Jesus was never crucified.
Therefore, read the Book of God, the Noble Quran instead of corrupted books men who don't want to meet God messed with& took out the belief in the afterlife from it, that bible leads not to God but to loss for eternity, sadly
Out of our love to God, muslims love all of His prophets equally Ishmael& Isaac PBU them both. But if others insist on denigrating one of Abrahams sons, then Islam challanges all bible believers by correcting the bible edited sacrifice story.
If you believe in bible, this is a challenge for you from bible itself:
Since his parents were promised by God before the birth of Isaac that he shall be multiplied& kings from his off spring according to Genesis 17:17& 17:19, then were is the sacrifice or any test at all in Abraham taking Isaac to the slaughter, when he already knew Isaac shall live to make him grandchildren?
We know you cannot answer this obvious forgery by the scribes in what used to be holy scripture, changing the name of Abrahams only son for 14 yrs as the logical sacrifice son, as per the Torah principle in Gods promise being always with your eldest son even if you hated his mother for those who married 2 wives according to Deut 21:15. The Noble Quran not only corrects that bible corruption, the Noble Quran brings back what was deleted from bible: The belief in the concept of an afterlife- totally eliminated from the Jewish bible (1st five books). May be these people don't want to return to see God!
To know God is to love Him and want to go back to God& meet Him in the afterlife- enter His house- paradise
What's worse for christianity in particular, is that the writer of NT Hebrews 11:17 links the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross to that of his father Isaac, which is a forgery. Hence Jesus was never crucified.
Therefore, read the Book of God, the Noble Quran instead of corrupted books men who don't want to meet God messed with& took out the belief in the afterlife from it, that bible leads not to God but to loss for eternity, sadly
God asked for Isaac to be sacrifice
When God called out Abraham He already had a plan and a promise: to make him into a great "nation", and to bless all peoples on earth through him, Genesis 12:3. God promised Abraham he will have a son, Genesis 15:4-5. But Sarah thought she cannot give Abraham a son, so she convinced Abraham to have "the son" through Hagar. *IF* Abraham only need to produce a son for God to fulfill His promises to Abraham, WHY??? did God have to CAUSE Isaac to be born? For it was BY THE WILL OF GOD that Isaac was born. God told Abraham His wife, the **barren** Sarah will give birth to Isaac and she did, past the child -bearing, at 90 years old, Genesis 17:15-19, 21:1--3.
The command to offer the sacrifice was specific for Isaac, for before God, Isaac is Abraham's only son regarding God's covenant with Abraham which are tied to Isaac Genesis 17:7,19,21, meaning if Isaac die, the promise ends there. It was a test of Abraham's obedience and "faith". And Abraham was able to obey. He might have thought that if God fulfilled His promise to give Him a son though it was twice impossible because of Sarah's barreness and old age, then God will revive Isaac to fulfill His promises made through Isaac. For Abraham told their companions: "......**WE WILL** come back to you."
Thank God for choosing the right man to give humanity a second chance. Because of Abraham's obedience (in contrast to Adam and Eve's disobedience), God decreed that through the offspring of Abraham, Genesis 22:18, of Isaac, Genesis 26:4, and Jacob/Israel, Genesis 28:14, through A JEW, WILL ALL NATIONS ON EARTH BE BLESSED. And The Jew came, Jesus Christ.
Out of our love to God, muslims love all of His prophets equally Ishmael& Isaac PBU them both. But if others insist on denigrating one of Abrahams sons, then Islam challanges all bible believers by correcting the bible edited sacrifice story.
If you believe in bible, this is a challenge for you from bible itself:
Since his parents were promised by God before the birth of Isaac that he shall be multiplied& kings from his off spring according to Genesis 17:17& 17:19, then were is the sacrifice or any test at all in Abraham taking Isaac to the slaughter, when he already knew Isaac shall live to make him grandchildren?
We know you cannot answer this obvious forgery by the scribes in what used to be holy scripture, changing the name of Abrahams only son for 14 yrs as the logical sacrifice son, as per the Torah principle in Gods promise being always with your eldest son even if you hated his mother for those who married 2 wives according to Deut 21:15. The Noble Quran not only corrects that bible corruption, the Noble Quran brings back what was deleted from bible: The belief in the concept of an afterlife- totally eliminated from the Jewish bible (1st five books). May be these people don't want to return to see God!
To know God is to love Him and want to go back to God& meet Him in the afterlife- enter His house- paradise
What's worse for christianity in particular, is that the writer of NT Hebrews 11:17 links the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross to that of his father Isaac, which is a forgery. Hence Jesus was never crucified.
Therefore, read the Book of God, the Noble Quran instead of corrupted books men who don't want to meet God messed with& took out the belief in the afterlife from it, that bible leads not to God but to loss for eternity, sadly
@@steadfastway1897And you believe that???, that the Jews corrupted their Torah/Tanakh??? **IF** the Jews corrupted the Torah, Tanakh/the old testament of the Bible why didn't they changed the narrative how they had been so lawless, and idolatrous, and how they k!lled some of their prophets?, that God was so angry with them that He allowed the Babylonians to conquer and held some of them captives, and many were k!lled??? On the other hand the Bible as it is now, is revealing to mankind the wisdom, the mercy, the justice and the trustworthiness of God. God wisely, knowing the unfaithfulness of man, Himself made the everlasting covenant WITH Abraham that He will be the God of his descendants through Isaac, so as not relying on the faithfulness of the Jews, He can accomplish His plan/promise of blessing ALL NATIONS ON EARTH through "the offspring of Isaac and Jacob, through The Jew, Jesus Christ. And to testify to His justice, when He punished them for their sins, and His mercy and the trustworthiness of His word and oath to Abraham, He promised the return of the Israelites to their homeland, Amos 9:14-15.
In conclusion, Jews lied and Christians believed it.
Then you find Christians calling Muslims liars on different religious videos 😂😂
Where does the video says Jesus lied?
If you read the Dead Sea scrolls which are the oldest version of the Torah on earth the part of the sacrifice is actually missing. However the part where G-d explains to Abraham that his covenant will be thru Isaac is not missing. So even if it is missing. The oldest document of the Bible on earth states the covenant is through Isaac. Thus the son to be sacrificed is irrelevant
But it does show that previous scriptures have been modified. What else is modified?
Out of our love to God, muslims love all of His prophets equally Ishmael& Isaac PBU them both. But if others insist on denigrating one of Abrahams sons, then Islam challanges all bible believers by correcting the bible edited sacrifice story.
If you believe in bible, this is a challenge for you from bible itself:
Since his parents were promised by God before the birth of Isaac that he shall be multiplied& kings from his off spring according to Genesis 17:17& 17:19, then were is the sacrifice or any test at all in Abraham taking Isaac to the slaughter, when he already knew Isaac shall live to make him grandchildren?
We know you cannot answer this obvious forgery by the scribes in what used to be holy scripture, changing the name of Abrahams only son for 14 yrs as the logical sacrifice son, as per the Torah principle in Gods promise being always with your eldest son even if you hated his mother for those who married 2 wives according to Deut 21:15. The Noble Quran not only corrects that bible corruption, the Noble Quran brings back what was deleted from bible: The belief in the concept of an afterlife- totally eliminated from the Jewish bible (1st five books). May be these people don't want to return to see God!
To know God is to love Him and want to go back to God& meet Him in the afterlife- enter His house- paradise
What's worse for christianity in particular, is that the writer of NT Hebrews 11:17 links the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross to that of his father Isaac, which is a forgery. Hence Jesus was never crucified.
Therefore, read the Book of God, the Noble Quran instead of corrupted books men who don't want to meet God messed with& took out the belief in the afterlife from it, that bible leads not to God but to loss for eternity, sadly
The sacrifice test is Ishmael(as)
Where did you see Ishmael for the test?
@@sunnyoregie3540 1) because Quran tell the sacrifice happened before Isaac was born.
2) Gen 22:2 talked about Isaac and refer him as "only son" which is wrong. Ishmael born 1st so in no condition Isaac is "only son"
3) book of jubilee which also known as lesser Genesis. Jubilee chapter 18 verse 11 explicitly refer Isaac mentioned in verse 1 as 1st born son. proved Torah did been distorted.
@@markjohnson1895 Isac is more blessing one , Isacc is more prefer one thats why Abraham left Ismael to desert with his mother Hagar, the promise child is not Ismael but Isac ...
@@markjohnson1895isacc already born...
@@rohluzualamarotea5568 ishmael was left under God's order. not because he was preferred more. where you get Isaac is blessing one? also you need to learn how sacrifice work
What is the name of the oldest book where your proof of the Ishmael sacrifice intent?
His only one from the wife!
none given? cain sinned by not sacrificing a blood sacrifice. God commanded that there is no forgiveness of sin without the shedding of blood, i assume you feel cains sacrifice of farm produce should of been acceptable? That is crazy to come to this conclusion.
When Jesus Christ will come again he will judge the false prophets, false teachers ...
God is the Only Judge
@@OmarOsman98 Don't you believe in the Holy Bible?
@@br.m no
@@OmarOsman98 Do you believe in anything? Why do you make a comment about God if you don't believe in the Bible? Are you insane?
If Jesus come he will destroy the cross and pig and tell the Christian why are worship hime instead of god o mighty.
Please kindly check your hum hum.
Ishmael was born out of unbelief by Abraham and Sarah on God's promise to give them a child. Isaac is the child of the promise on whom the covenant shall continue.
And Abraham said unto God, O that Ishmael might live before thee! And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him. Gen 17: 18-22.
Talk about physiological acrobatics.
7:53 Or....he believed God was going to raise him from the dead!
Where is ishmael?
6:verse 84
11: verse 71
37:verse 100 to 112?
I'm sure it was Isaac and NOT Ismael they just say that becuase the arab nationalism and turkish muslims are not arabs
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Clearly it was Isaac no question about it.God Makes His covenant with Abraham through Isaac not with Ismael who God called him a wild man.
LOL, only in your corrupt bible redacted by satan himself.
This door should have remained closed.
Isaac
The real question should be,
“Why did God ask Abraham to sacrifice his Son?”
My answer is that God wanted to teach him a lesson about God’s nature.
To understand what Abraham did. One must understand the historical context of that time. Child sacrifice was common in the Canaanite culture during Abraham’s time.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sacrifice?wprov=sfti1
Just like anyone who would sacrifice their children to pagan gods, Abraham’s primary motivation was fear of God rather than love or courage . Genesis 22:12.
Fear is a strong emotion that can produce irrational actions.
We know that Abraham wasn’t a brave man. Instead of protecting his wife from adultery, he lied twice that his wife was his sister because he was scared of being killed. Genesis 12:10-13, Genesis 20:1-2.
If it was truly a test, Abraham failed God’s test to see if he truly knew or understood God’s loving nature. (Gen. 9:6)
The right answer to that test should have been, “God you are loving, righteous and just and my child has not committed any sin to deserve this murder.”
Abraham should have declined or at least offered himself like Moses did when he was frustrated with God. Numbers 11: 14-15
If God was testing his obedience, why did God still insist that he should still sacrifice the Ram?
Obedience is not necessarily a virtue.
It depends on the instruction. Rosa Park and Gandhi are respected today for their disobedience to authority.
If God was impressed with Abraham’s obedience then God might as well be impressed with the obedience of other child sacrifices. It takes the same obedience to sacrifice your child regardless of the God you’re sacrificing it to. Was God jealous of the child sacrifices offered to other pagan gods?
Just like Abraham, we may truly fear a God that commands us to sacrifice of our children, but can we truly trust or love a God that commands us to kill the innocent?
Abraham feared God, but he didn’t understand God’s Love. Love is the highest virtue that encompasses every other virtues.
Can a righteous God kill the innocent and still be considered just and righteousness? God understands fear and wanted to teach Abraham a lesson about himself. He wanted to show Abraham that He was different from other pagan gods.
In hindsight, here are the Lessons that Abraham learned:
◦ Yahweh requires a sacrifice ( Just like the pagan gods)
◦ Yahweh, unlike the Pagan god, is a loving God.
◦ Yahweh himself provides the sacrifice.
Once again the reason God told him to sacrifice his son is to teach him a lesson about God’s nature.
Brother, you guessed too much about what is in God's mind and that is a turn off for anyone familiar with exegesis.
Also, you made so many statements that are off topic. The topic was about who the sacrificial son was? However, I think the reason you did that was to make your point on God's love..which is also very limiting because God is love but much more. He is the most wise, etc
Lastly, your point on God's love wasn't expressed perfectly here without putting Abraham in a negative light (He was not a brave man, his wife committed adultery, he failed God's test, and he should have declined the instruction). On the other hand, the Quran doesn't do that. Since this is a discussion from a biblical & Quranic perspective, I suggest you read the Quran (if you haven't done that) for a holistic understanding.
Yasir Qadhi Just admitted that the MAJORITY of the SAHABA, and their disciples said it was ISAAC, not ISHMAEL!!
Now what muslims????
So what? Yasir Qadhi is a man with an opinion.
@@Hebiscus998
Are you saying you know better than the Sahaba of Muhammad and the first disciples of the Sahaba who said it was Isaac??
@@Hebiscus998
It wasn’t Yasir Quadhi, it was the Sahaba. Are you better in knowledge of the Quran than the Sahaba?
@@Hebiscus998🤣🤣🤣🤣
Ok but people have changed the bible and lied so much, so it wouldn’t be a surprise they would change sacrifice to be about Isaac. Even the wording of the verse in the bible is so weird, “your son, your only son -Isaac” doesn’t seem like something God would say but seems like an later addition. Especially knowing Isaac wasn’t his only son. And if the liars want to lie on the prophets and say his only “legitimate son” you liars and deceivers who find changing the word of God so easy, what does your bible say? Does it say your only son, your only legitimate son -Isaac?
Fear God.
How do you think this way? What kind of sacrifice would Ishmael be? A sacrifice needs to be something of value. Since Abraham had Isaac by this time then how could Ishmael be a valuable sacrifice? Ishmael would lose value only the son of promise would have the value worthy of the sacrifice test.
When do you think the Bible was altered? Please explain how you know the Bible has been edited. Please you should then also explain how you know the Quran has never been edited. Thanks.
I am curious. The Quran instructs Muslims to believe in the Old Testament and in the Gospel. When the Quran was fabricated. So if you are correct then the Bible has to have been edited some time after the Quran was fabricated. Is that your belief?
@@br.mishmael was older than isaac. So ishmael was to be sacrificed as he was the only son/child. If isaac was to be sacrificed, it wouldnt be as impactful as he had 2 children by then.
@@786ahsim No that is lies. Isaac is the son of the promise and the sacrifice. Ishmael got sent away with Hagar. Stop lying.
The quran is fake please look at the work of Dr. Gunther Luling that proves the quran is fake. Jesus is the son of God and Isaac is the son of the promise.
@@br.m the covenant is always with Ishmael, read what historian said about Isaac, they labeled him weak and worthless.
@@normLoue Very cute. historian is weak and worthless.
Yahweh made covenant not Ishmael. Read old testament. There is no islam stop lying.
Isaac. God chose his descendants and gave them one of his names... Yashar’el
When it says the first born son, it's very clear it means Ishmael.
@@mustafafarah9083 Yishma'ĕl was blessed by Yahuah to bring forth blessed children bringing forth 12 princes and He will become a great nation (Berĕshith 17: 20)
The covenant between Yahuah (you refer to the father as Allah) and Yitshaq. (Berĕshith 17:21).
Remember Yishma'ĕl was circumcised in the flesh on his 13th year (Berĕshith 17:25) and Yitshaq on the 8th day (Berĕshith 21:3-5) this circumcision was a command from Yahuah.
Why is circumcision important? It is a sign of the covenant made between Yahuah and Abraham (Berĕshith 17:1-19).
Regarding the first born - Hagar was a concubine and not Abraham's wife. Yes, technically Yishma'ĕl is Abraham's first heir but not the first heir of his marriage with Sarai(Sarah). The recognition of the union is valuable to Yahuah as we can discern his selection based on Berĕshith 17:21 and other scriptures.
Should you care to respond, I would like you to use scripture to support your statements and I will keep an open mind. Shalom friend.
@@mustafafarah9083 Yishma'ĕl/Ishmael was blessed by Yahuah and made him bare fruit and his decendants would increase greatly. Yishma'ĕl/Ishmael brought forth 12 princes and as a result he became a great nation. (Berĕshith/Genesis 17:20)
Yishma'ĕl/Ishmael was circumcized at age 13. (Berĕshith/Genesis 17:25)
The covenant between Yahuah and Yishma'ĕl/Ishmael was never created - however the covenant was created between Yahuah and Yitshaq/Isaac. (Berĕshith/Genesis 17:21)
Yitshaq/Isaac was circumcized on the 8th day. (Berĕshith/Genesis 21:3-6) The circumcision was a command from Yahuah and the commands are what we are to guard and keep. (Berĕshith/Genesis 17:9-14)
What is the covenant? This is the everlasting agreement between Yahuah (You may refer to the father as Allah) and Aḇraham. (Berĕshith/Genesis 17:2-9) This section describes how Yahuah would make Aḇraham the father of many nations and great kings would come from him. Also the land of Kena'an/Canaan was appointed to Aḇrahams seed for an everlasting possession. Great kings did come from Aḇraham such as Hizqiyah/Hezekiah, Shelohmoh/Solomon, and Dawid/Daviḏ. The land of Kena'an/Canaan should be well known by now.
Why is circumcision so important? It is a sign of the blood covenant between Yahuah, Aḇraham, and his seed forever.
Was Yishma'ĕl/Ishmael the first born son of Aḇraham? Absolutely he was as written in Berĕshith/Genesis 16:15). We must remember that Aḇraham was married to Sarah. Hagar, who bore Aḇraham's first son, was a maidservant to Sarah, and later became a concubine to Aḇraham. A concubine is considered a secondary wife who holds an inferior rank; the covenant was made with the first born son of the marraige union between Aḇraham and Sarah. The union of marraige is desirable by Yahuah as we can see in many scriptures including that of the Brit Hadasha when Mariam was chosen by Yahuah to birth the Mashiah, Yahusha/Jesus. Miriam was pure and married to Yoseph.
Here are a few excerpts that highlight how Yahuah values marriage:
Berĕshith/Genesis 2:8
Berĕshith/Genesis 2:24
Mishlĕy/Proverbs 18:22
Ibrim/Hebrews 13:4
There are many verses about concubines in the scriptures. However, they mostly preceed something bad (i.e. Dawid taking concubines and wives from Jerusalem (2 Shemu'ĕl 5:13).
In conclusion, I have articulated how we know the covenant was made with Yitshaq, and not Yishma'ĕl, using scriptural references. If you disagree, please share your rebuttal with scriptural references, and I will keep an open mind. Shalom friend.
By Tradition of the Bani Israel its the FIRST BORN.
Isaac name first appear in the SEPTUAGINT (300-1 BCE)
There is NO MENTION as to who in The Dead Sea Scroll (800-1 BCE)
Abraham is in 2,000+ BCE
The First Born is practiced till today by The Indian, Chinese, Archipelagos, Japanese, Korean etc etc
Out of our love to God, muslims love all of His prophets equally Ishmael& Isaac PBU them both. But if others insist on denigrating one of Abrahams sons, then Islam challanges all bible believers by correcting the bible edited sacrifice story.
If you believe in bible, this is a challenge for you from bible itself:
Since his parents were promised by God before the birth of Isaac that he shall be multiplied& kings from his off spring according to Genesis 17:17& 17:19, then were is the sacrifice or any test at all in Abraham taking Isaac to the slaughter, when he already knew Isaac shall live to make him grandchildren?
We know you cannot answer this obvious forgery by the scribes in what used to be holy scripture, changing the name of Abrahams only son for 14 yrs as the logical sacrifice son, as per the Torah principle in Gods promise being always with your eldest son even if you hated his mother for those who married 2 wives according to Deut 21:15. The Noble Quran not only corrects that bible corruption, the Noble Quran brings back what was deleted from bible: The belief in the concept of an afterlife- totally eliminated from the Jewish bible (1st five books). May be these people don't want to return to see God!
To know God is to love Him and want to go back to God& meet Him in the afterlife- enter His house- paradise
What's worse for christianity in particular, is that the writer of NT Hebrews 11:17 links the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross to that of his father Isaac, which is a forgery. Hence Jesus was never crucified.
Therefore, read the Book of God, the Noble Quran instead of corrupted books men who don't want to meet God messed with& took out the belief in the afterlife from it, that bible leads not to God but to loss for eternity, sadly
If Ishmael was de one to be sacrifice we would be slave to sin, sin comes from disobedience and doubting the word of God, in this case Ishmael is a son of the slave, product of sin, but Isaac was a son of the wife and was born free, born of believing a promise from God. It simple Slavery to sin, or Freedom from sin, Mohamed slave you to Sin, But Jesus Free us from sin.
.. sin means missed marked ,also Ishmael is the first son from a righteous wife.
@ Cotto : Get lost man with your bullshit man god story and triune god stories
half of jacob sons comes from his maids does that make them sinners
Definitely they got the story wrong on top of the Quran being written 700 years after Christ.. they got the wrong sacrifice and the wrong Jesus as well
don't embarrass yourself.
@@juanzapata3366 The wrong Jesus? No, we have the correct perception of the Messiah called Jesus. The triune dual natured god-man of Christianity is the INCORRECT Jesus???
No one can querry God,s decisión when it comes to love or hate. So, Ishmael birth through the slave woman, was,nt God,s Plan, but Sarai,s plan. Therefore, if after the birth of Ishmael, and God still promise Abraham that his real wife will borne him a child, despite their old age, that means such child will forever be loved and cherished.
So, whether Ishmael and his mother were still with Abraham or, whether they have already be banished, i believe that the son that God was refering to in this situation, was Abraham,s loved son Isaac because, he was the son that was born through the promise of God.
We are not querying God's decision but the scriptures. How do we believe a scripture when it says God's love and hate is arbitrary and not based on RIGHTEOUSNESS.
How do we believe a scripture when it says a man is cursed without him doing anything?
How do we believe a scripture that says that Ihmael's descendants will be blessed and great (of course spiritually), but there is no fulfilment yet according to Christian interpretation.
@@naijamuslim8364 Good you have admitted that God was referring to Isaac as the one to be sacrificed.
Concerning the scripture, I advise you never to go there, because you know nothing about the holy Bible, and never conclude with whatever you heard from anyone. Instead, convince that person to tell you where such text is in the Bible. I'm saying this so as not to afflict your spirit soul and body.
Always say what you can defend.
So was not Ishmael the son that Abraham loved ?
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There’s no argument that it’s Isaac. The Old Testament is at least a thousand years before Islam.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I love how christians embarrass themselves. You are actually telling me you are uneducated without telling me.
Just an answer to the title of the talk.
The son who was going to be sacrificed was ISAAC, whatever the muslims make out of it.
Isaac was the promised son to Abraham by God to be born to Sarah his wife, who was too old to bear a child. Ismael was the son born from Hagarwho who was his maid.
First born before Issac was even born lol when God told him to do that ishamael was his only son
@@safeesafee892 Ismael was NOT the PROMISED son to Abraham and Sarah.
Sarah was the wife of Abraham . His son Ismael ,was not the son of Sarah the wife ,but of the Egyptian handmaiden called Hagar (some write the name as Agar) . Sarah was barren , she gave her husband Abraham, in accordance of the custom of that time, her handmaid Agar, as concubine , so her husband could obtain children through her. It is a long story to go Into detail here .
To make a long detailed story short, God had promised Abraham and his wife a son. The miracle was that both Abraham and Sarah were already old but received the "promised son" . Sara who was BARREN received the son which she thought she could not have . Through God anything is possible.
Historical facts can be manipulated by newcomers in order to make a story different which suits them better.
Islam did not even exist in these times and the scriptures have ALWAYS mentioned ISAAC to be the son, the promised son . The timeline is considered between 1200-1500 BC. Islam is from the 7th Century AD. Abraham might have had more than Ismael as sons, that we don't know but the PROMISED by God son, to Abraham AND promised son to SARAH was and is ISAAC. They never had more than ONE son together.
Muslim never stop making a lies 🤷♂️
It’s not us who lie. You’re projecting dear.
Ishmael grew from Infanthood - FATHERLESS according to Islam.
Abraham was in Hebron and Ishmael was in Mecca. 1200 kms of Untamed wilderness apart.
Last Abraham saw of his son was when he rejected him, gave neither a hug, a kiss, or a kind word and walked off with enough supplies to get himself 1200 kms home and left Hagar and his supposed beloved first son to die in an uninhabited desert for no reason except that Mohammed wanted to keep the Kaaba.
@@MosesdidntwriteDeuteronomy It was absolutely impossible for Abraham and Ishmael to build the Kaaba. AND it was pointless. God didn't need a shed in the middle of nowhere. Especially in a land 1200 kms away from the land God promised Abraham. What on earth was Mohammed thinking - he didn't think it through well enough to stand the test of the Internet.
@Bithia65 and yet the symbol left to the followers of Jesus before his departure is A STONE. SIMON THE STONE. The NT even preserves the word CEPHAS (stone) in Greek. Houses of Worship with a stone at the center were called "beth-EL" (house of God). Jacob even built a house of God (bethel) with a stone as a center. When Jesus calls Simon Peter a CEPHAS (stone), he is borrowing from what Israelites before him. TODAY, Mecca is that shining EXAMPLE of human beings worshipping the Creator with a CEPHAS (stone) at the center.
@@MosesdidntwriteDeuteronomy Tell me something...at the time God said this - where was Ishmael? Please explain according to both the bible and Mohammed.
Did Abraham know whether Ishmael was alive or dead at the time?
And is Isaac in fact the ONLY son of Himself and his wife? Yes.
@@MosesdidntwriteDeuteronomy
YOU cannot use the bible as reference.
You must use what YOU have.
AGAIN I ask you WHERE was Ishmael according to Mohammed and HOW did he get back to lay his father to rest WITH Isaac. How did he even know he was dying???
According to Mohammed - when did Abraham LAST see Ishmael - oh that's right when he left him to DIE as a breastfeeding infant in the middle of absolutely nowhere 1200kms from home.
When did Abraham supposedly NEXT see Ishmael - According to Mohammed.
If I know - YOU should know as a Muslim.
Please tell me.
Please explain...no Muslim has explained it yet.
The bible has Ishmael STILL within range of his family. Beloved by Abraham.
Mohammed has Abraham a cold hearted monster who deserted his son in a desert and just walked off without a word of kindness or anything.
If I were Hagar and Ishmael I would have given Abraham and his God the big flick!!
YOU have to believe Mohammed's story ALONE. So tell me where was Ishmael ALL HIS LIFE?
@@MosesdidntwriteDeuteronomy WHICH scriptures did the Koran say JESUS confirmed as TRUTH when he was on earth?
Yes the Torah - where it says "your only son Isaac"
We have those scriptures from BEFORE Jesus - so no corruption.
In other words, Issac make more sense according to the perfection of God, He is a God of order and details, His plan had to come from a legitimized son, not from a bastard and that is wat we all are until we accept the plan of salvation trough Jesus Ho if GOD him self.
Which one was more bastard according to your religion? Son of concubine or son of his half sister?
According to the bible Ishmael was Abraham’s son from his wife Hager. Prophets are righteous men. Abraham doesn’t have illegitimate sons, and no son of a prophet is a bastard. Have manners when speaking about the messengers of God.
Extremely impolite and disgusting manner of speaking about pious righteous men of God.
You’re disgusting, and quite ignorant of what your bible says.
You intentionally blame our prophet Abraham directly... we will see you hereafter life who is right...
You are claiming Abraham begetted a "bastard"? Astaghfirullah.
By accusing the son whom you were raised to hate of illigitamcy, you're casting out even Isaac, Abraham& Sarah put of Gods kingdom for 10 generations, which is only a reflection on you& the values you were raised on, not on Gods friend prophet Abraham whom your hate to has blinded you.
Quit this bible nonsense, turn to your Maker, pray to Him to guide you to the true way to Him.
Islam without lies is dead Isaac was Abharam chosen son in his old age God gave him a son. Ismail was the slave woman son and the Bible says that Abharam offered Isaac and not Ismael so stop lying.
Ishmael is the one according to Muslims but Isaac is the one that was to be sacrificed as it is Biblical and since the Bible is much much older than the Quran it MUST be Isaac but then the the main one who was sacrificed who happens to be Jesus Christ is not acknowledged both by Muslims and Jews but a time will come when both parties will acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord and Saviour end of story