The INSANITY of the Gombe Chimpanzee War
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- Опубліковано 20 сер 2023
- The Gombe Chimpanzee War was an intergroup conflict between 2 chimpanzee communities in Gombe National Park, Tanzania. Prior to this conflict being observed, it was thought that chimpanzees were largely peaceful creatures and vegetarians. But, Jane Goodall, along with other researchers, soon opened up a whole new world of chimpanzee conflict and social dynamics with their observations of this conflict. It's a fascinating look at the brutality of the natural world, and perhaps provides us an opportunity to reflect on our own capacity for violence as well. Enjoy.
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2:33 Wondering why they named him Satan
4:50 figuring out why they named him Satan
To be fair, I think it's incorrect to say that no other animals do these things. What's unique about humans and chimps is the intent, intent at all and to cause suffering
Yeah, dolphins are also regularly observed to do pretty horrible things to other dolphins and torture other species. But since that Flipper series claimed that dolphins are awesome and gentle and intelligent, most assume that dolphins would never do such things... maybe one day we'll figure out what underlies cruelty and violent tendencies, but a certain level of intelligence does seem to be required.
@@MayaPosch this! I will say some interesting counter examples to these are crows, orcas, and octopi, who are generally chill until you screw with them (well, with orcas anything that doesn't look like them or us doesn't count, but that's orcas); crows and orcas seem to have their familial structure to thank for their lack of war crimes, while octopus seem just over all neutral and focused on survival... hopefully it stays that way. Definitely something I hope there's more investigation on
@@aff77141 Those are good points, yeah. Orcas have a bad reputation, ironically, with the whole 'killer whale' name, but they're among the most gentle whale species. Even if they look like they're right off the set of KISS :)
I'm glad that the Free Willy movie made a lot more people respect those amazing animals.
Dolphins don't seem to have a strong family hierarchy, indeed. Not like elephants and orcas, both of which take a lot to provoke, though we're seeing more 'attacks' by both, likely because humans are the invasive species here. I too hope we investigate this and correct human behaviour before we ended up wiping out elephants and orcas and whatever other species because 'aggressive'.
Sometimes 'intelligence' seems really quite relative when you think about it too much...
@@MayaPosch Coastal Orca pods seem to be live-and-let-live (unless you're a fish) but there have been some chilling encounters with open ocean Orca pods. They seem to have a more aggressive culture.
@@MayaPosch It requires insight in the feelings of others to enjoy suffering. Wolves just kill each other when there is a territorial conflict.
There are colonies of ants that go to war every summer in Southern California as well
Something I will always respect Jane Goodall for is her brutal honesty about Chimps. Later in life she said she was completely wrong about her assessment of chimps in her younger years and that the truth is they're extremely brutal and vindictive creatures. I respect her stance because its just pure honesty. You'd think someone who spent their life's work studying chimps would, even if it meant lying, defend the subject matter to the grave as to not risk invalidating a life's work.
But Jane knew that wouldn't be right and opted to be truthful about her assessment.
Jane was a Stud it’s true
A very rare thing to see nowadays.
When did she say that.
South Africa national parks are well documented. The story of Addo National Park, its creation, and it's success with elephants is quite the story.
Gonna have to look into that, thanks for the suggestion!
I was absolutely transfixed and repulsed equally by this when I first read about this in National Geographic. I hope you continue on regarding these chimps and the insane stories of Flo and Fifi. Just unbelievable.
It was probably the final straw that convinced me to consider all other great apes as being people like us. They may not be able to communicate as well as us or use tools as well as us, but in both their compassion and brutality they are exactly like us.
It's funny that Fifi's son Frodo was also a spoiled brat who was given everything as a child because Fifi was a top ranking female and when Frodo grew up he became a notorious bully who would intimidate all the others in the group
Yeah it was wild. Reminded me a lot of the Hutus vs the Tutsi in Rwanda
Was it a conventional war or a guerrilla war?
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Well, actually studying their tactisc is incredibly fascinating for me! Primatology is amazing!
It goes to show that a lot of the horrors man commits is more inherent to our nature than many are willing to admit.
All life is inherently greedy. It’s hard wired and abhorrent.
But at the same time, we realize this is bad yet it continues. We are not Chimps we are stupider because we have the ability to stop but we don’t.
What about the good that is naturally done? What does that tell you??
@@claymusicoff5663It has been argued that even acts which seem purely good are ultimately done for selfish reasons that have to do with appearing to be good in the eyes of the larger social group etc.
@@anthonys3892 I think what everyone needs to realize is that we all have the capacity to commit evil and that a part of life is constantly struggling against that inner evil. You're going to fail against it from time to time. We all will and some more than others.
People who think mankind is purely good, or a blank slates don't recognize their inner evil and let it run amuck. This is why secular ideologies like Communism utterly failed. They believed all evil was the result of inequality and oppression and not an aspect of human nature.
Meanwhile Gorillas 🦍 are the nicest things ever.
Sure they *can* be violent, but they actively try to be the most non-violent it is possible to be, while maintaining society and their lineage (e.g. keeping mating rights enforced). They are so wholesome 😊.
Hippies: “humans are the only animals to make war man”
nature: 🤨
Fun fact: ants practice slavery
Christians don't get off easy either: hard to assert the universe was made by a loving god when the basic element of all of life is a constant, tragic, bloody war over resources
@@sunkintree Well, for us, the World was cursed because of the Original Sin of Adam, it's our fault nevertheless
Now, this seriously needs to get a movie adaptation. Specifically, an R-rated adult animated feature film similar to Felidae and Padok. 🐵☠️
Or even a live action film of the research team observing the horror step by step. Either way, yes.
Just watch planet of the apes
Great International Park episode. Keep up the good work, and one other international park story you might be interested in in the story of Dian Fossey studying and helping protect the Mountain Gorillas of Rwanda's Volcanoes National Park. A great movie was made about her a few years after her death called Gorillas in the Mist. A truly amazing story that I wish was better known in the wider world of conservation.
Oh, fantastic suggestion. Thank you!
Note that bonobo are also very close to humans, and are generally less aggressive than chimps. Also, more emphasis should be put on the fact that aggressiveness seems to be tied to enviornmental pressures more than anything innate. Humans are masters of our environments, especially now.
That is so wild. I always think of war as a human thing. Sad that it's not limited to humans
Animals in nature fight all the time. Ants go to war as a well, even enslave the survivors of defeated ant colonies. When you have a social groups and then scarcity of resources conflict will erupt between competing groups for those resources.
Ants wage war, too
@@pigcatapult like in bugs life 😂
@@pigcatapultwasps do, lions do, hyenas do it all the time, tigers often kill eachother for territory, it’s animal nature
@@pigcatapultI have heard claims that if ants were the size of humans they would destroy the planet in a weekend.
What fascinates me is that bonobos, a primate with whom we share almost as much of our DNA as we do with chimps, have matriarchal societies that are not violent at all. Sure, there's conflict within Bonobo groups, but to resolve it, they don't go to war; instead, they just screw. Sex between bonobos, including between those of the same sex, is the primary way that fights get settled, and bonds get restored, in bonobo societies. (It probably also helps that bonobo tribes are headed by females, who are less likely to resort to violence.) It fills me with existential dread to contemplate that evolution might have caused us humans to come from the bonobo line of primates, but instead we came from the line that led to chimps. So the only way we know to resolve conflict is to fight & kill each other, when we could just be fucking instead.
Sounds like we need to take some advice from the Bonobos...
The key words are *"matriarchal societies"*.
@@zentierra7803not really hyenas are matriarchal and violent as hell. The difference is resources as many scientists believe. Theyre not less violent because of matriarchal societies as a i mentioned many matriarchies are horrifically violent. Bonobos are divided by other apes and predators. Chimps hage to deal with competition for food as well its not abundant like bonobos region so natrually they evolved to be more violent. Its geography in this case why theyre violent . Food scarcity and competition. Any biologist will tell you chimps have to deal with alot more intense situations. Violence is necessary for the environment they live in
This is why polygamy started to become popular in so many different human cultures.
It is a strong tool for peace 🕊☮.
@@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana what human cultures ?? No studies have shown that . Youre lying lol very few stop saying like its a growing trend lol lots of peaceful societies that are polygamous and so on and dont have wars or conflcits. Many conflicts are due to political instability and famines or poveryy has nothing to do with what you said. Facts
Poor goliath :( he looked so scared and confused in that photo.
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Just found your channel, I saw a documentary similar to this one a few years ago and fascinates me how chimps are similar to humans? Great video thanks for posting.
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Binging your videos before class great story telling and interesting stories
So glad you're enjoying them, thanks for watching!
Malice and sadism seem to be traits that require intelligence, and while humans are the most intelligent, there are others out there smart enough to be assholes just like us
Such a great video you keep going bro
Thank you and will do!
Dude what a great video! That was really interesting and thank you for teaching me something I’ve never heard about 👍
It's so crazy! Thanks for watching Tayt!
Chimps aren't vegans by a long shot because they hunt monkeys and small antelopes with or without weapons. They also coordinate hunts and are very good at it.
Ehh in terms of calories as a percentage of diet they are pretty close to vegan. It’s like 5% or less of calories from meat or insects.
@davidradtke160 maybe so but that extra protein is what led their brains and our brains to develop more.
Quick, someone go get The Operations Room to make a video on this battle!
Great job on this video and thank you for the education :)
Thanks for watching!
I might be a close relative to that big chimp you showed scratching his back....
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Not the content I was expecting to see here but I’m all about learning about chimp wars! And if you’re wanting international parks I think more info on Mongolia’s Bogd Khan Uul Biosphere Reserve, which is technically the world’s first national park the predates Yellowstone
Mongolia fascinates me. Like, currently number 1 on my bucket list to visit. I want to do a whole series on their parks, but we're going to have to wait for that lol. Thanks for watching!
This also puts a nail in the coffin of Rousseau's "noble savage" concept.
When I heard the soon-to-be disproven fact that "Chimpanzees are largely peaceful creatures", my doubt meter goes to the max since I already heard the event long ago about a woman who got a chimpanzee as a pet, had her face ripped off by it.
Yeah, they have to be thinking of bonobos as bonobos are literally the peaceful creatures, people believe chimpanzees are.
I honestly think we are more likely to encounter “advanced” or “unique” life that is terrestrial rather than extraterrestrial. some combination of evolution but more importantly the kind of societal change that humans experienced over many thousands of years, biological we are extremely similar to humans of the past, yet over time slow changes in society have lead to massive differences in our lives. im not saying this will happen anytime soon for apes but it seems possible and worth paying attention to. Definitely more fascinating than anything I’ve heard about aliens recently
I seriously doubt it. The evolutionary pressures that created humans is very unique and there is no fossil record of similar creatures evolving. One thing that would likely stop a creature of human level intelligence evolving are humans. The same way Dinosaurs kept mammals from dominating the Earth till they were wiped out. The niches are already filled.
It's interesting that what helps us survive also leads to war...the sense of them and us created by our formation of social groups.
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@@NationalParkDiaries, no Manc ever supports United.
Seems like the main group took extreme offense to the fact that the other group splintered off, got enraged and decided to do them in. It makes me wonder about those seeming bonds they had with each other as one group. Bonds can be broken. So close to humans after all.
I'm pretty sure ant colonies and many preditor groups will have wars over territory but this is the first time I heard of other primates having wars. What happens when these groups become one big tribe.
Our superior communication and tool usage gives us only a slight edge. Give them tech within their intellectual grasp, and they'll be flying mechs in no time.
Awesome story!
Thank you!
Loving the international content.
Thank you!
I remember this war. What always gets me is when humans adopt apes. Chimps, Bonobos. Every. Single. Time. It does not end well.
This is like the 100th video that used a clip or picture from the alpha pimu being ousted as leader of the troop after years of being a bit of a bully. The one he said was Goliath leg being twisted is from a video of pimu being beaten
Fantastic channel for us nature lovers! I love all your National Park videos that are so well researched and presented.
I am requesting a video about Acadia National Park on Mt. Desert Island, Maine. It's truly beautiful for its combination of mountains plunging into the ocean.
Also there's a lot of history involving John D. Rockefeller.
Acadia has so many good stories! You'll definitely see some on here at some point. Thanks for your support!
A Skyrim UA-camr I was watching made a throwaway joke about this war which led me here
Now this is the real War in the planet of the apes. Awesome story. This makes apes too can be as brutal and genocidal just as humans albeit the technological advancement.
Life on Earth is something wild after all
Less of a war and more of a genocide
warfare and hate are in our damn DNA..great video
Visiting parks in Canada for making videos might not be so difficult...
Given its initial cause, this might be more of a war of succession.
Yep, Canada is probably the most accessible for me internationally and will most likely end up with its fair share of stories from the field!
@@NationalParkDiaries A good suggestion of reading would be Natural Selections by Alan MacEachern. It's about the creation of the four first national parks in the Atlantic Provinces of Canada. It's kind of a fun read and you see the evolution of the establishment and developpement phylosophy of Canadian national parks during the mid-century period.
@@NationalParkDiariesI’d love a video on Banff
Thanks for the recommendation, I'll check it out!
Love Banff, will definitely cover it at some point!
“We are not that different…” -yes that true. We’re just 2% different. And WE have nuclear weapons. Yikes ‼️
"Our people are different. They are selfless and compassionate."
Ants go to war also. They even have ants dedicated to saving injured ants that can be saved during the battles
You fought with my father in the chimp wars?
Your father wanted you to have this (hand younger chip a stick) . It was your father's stick, an elegant weapon from a more civilized time before the park times.
Chimps may be our closest relatives genetically but the only thing we have in common with them is our violence and cruelty. Long tail macaques on the other hand I think we have a lot more in common. The females are the only other animal other than humans that I know of that have extended eye contact with their babies. They gaze at each other. They have complex emotions and can be just as compassionate as they can be cruel. I watched their behavior every day for years and I had no idea what amazing creatures they are!!!
❤🐵🙈🙉🙊🐒❤ Here’s a link to a video of an alpha male protecting one of his babies from an older bully.
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So do cats lol and dogs and plenty of animals cx
It’s crazy to think that as a man, that primal urge that makes people drink the blood from their enemies’ faces and completely dehumanize them is not something learned. There is brutality hard wired into you by your ancestors.
Surely that's just the new alpha saying nope this is all my territory and you can't just split either get with the pack or become trespassers
Nice Video. Gj
Thank you!
Chicago, take note!
Like gang wars in Chicago geez now all they need are music videos
This is why I like bonobos.
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Ah yes, the good ol’ fashioned power vacuum
Bonobos are the peaceful ones. Peace and uh... Free love. Wait, are bonobos hippies?
What makes us human? Pockets and debt.
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Thank you!
You gotta think, this is how our ancestors may have warred with eachother and other human species that were around. We were chimps once.
Our ancestors left a lot of knapped flint around:
the other chimps are neither as dexterous
nor as sinister as the hominid branch.
Wow
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So humans haven't evolved past monkeys, or monkeys devolved because of humans?
Is there any way I can make a profit by providing both tribes with weapons, Drugs and hip hop music?
Let's get down to brass tacks- how much for the Satan chimp?
So, The Alpha aspect if still being discussed in Wolves? HHMMM, folks didn't get the memo. lol
Human all too human
Yah…, well. It sounds all so familiar.
Ask Spirit Airlines… 🤷🏾♀️
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@@NationalParkDiaries LOL
Goodell wanted all this kind of stuff secret , worried about donations
I don’t think this is what they meant by Gorilla warfare
We all forget this war only started once their was a human where checking over them
Thanks for a well told story. It makes me question evolution, as one would think these traits would disappear over time. Somehow, I suppose they serve their purpose. (speaking about violent tendencies)
It doesn't really contradict evolution though. It's all about who is most successful in passing on their genes, and if a male violently eliminates other male competitors and their offspring, he has a greater chance of producing more offspring of his own who will inherit his own violent tendencies.
From what I've read, it's extremely common, across many species, for males to kill the offspring of other males. It's one reason why female promiscuity is also selected for.
You sound a lot like Terrance McKenna
And like humans do, they just watched and documented.
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Don’t forget we humans violent too
So let me get this straight....
When a society creates large numbers of disenfranchised males, wars break out.
Welll Duh!
Now consider our society and I think you can figure out what is coming.
Crips and bloods
We are exactly the same as them, we just have more tools.
This is basically the default human setting. We may have evolved a bit more but still we drop to this default setting to solve things . The obvious is wars but cancel culture is the updated version. A few people start arguing over something stat tossing insults make lots of noise and gesturing most of us have evolved from the poop throwing then there is a swarming to destroy the enemy usually when they are in their smallest numbers. The battered carcass is proudly displayed not only as a trophy but a warning to others that oppose. The more we change the more we stay the same.
Which side did the CIA fund?
Well first the smaller rebel side ,then after it didn't quite go as planed they funded the other side . All that monkey business was kind of like a banana republic...
Saying they committed canabalism as q bad aspect of this is kind of cheating as it's only humans who don't really do that
I am often anmyoed by people saying that "humans are evil" and "animals are so pure". First of all, humans are animals too and second of all, no, humans are not more evil than other animals. Violence and sadism are not human inventions.
Couldn’t change the verbiage up a little from the Wikipedia? Lol
I'd have to say Mark Twain was wrong.
This is completely blows my mind still to this day like you thought monkies were kinda human like not these are straight up short hairy VIOLENT people
Monkeys are small, weak and has bigger threats that they need to cooperate for. Chimpanzees are a different case.
all the more reason for great ape personhood
Just a tip: calling it “international parks” would only make sense if they transcended country borders and were administered in condominium. Saying that a park in Tanzania is an “international park” assumes an ethnocentric, “US-by-default” point of view that should be avoided.
The channel is national park diaries, implying a US based focus. He's simply advertising it not his usual content.
@@matt45540How does that imply a US based focus? Lots of countries have national parks. The channel name is not "US National Park Diaries".
@@cainau it's implied based on the US presenter that speaks English.
His focus is primarily on areas protected by the National Parks Service, an agency of the US Federal Government. If you were unaware of that, maybe you should watch a few more of his videos. They’re very well made.
Maybe you should try actually listening to Cameron when you watch his videos? He has often said something like "This is National Park Diaries. I tell stories about the WORLD'S protected places."
As he said in this video, he mostly covers US parks because he lives here and that's easiest for him, but the channel is intended to be for all parks.
I'm just wondering why anyone would watch this obviously this dude was not there he's just regurgitating other people's hard work smart Taylor's got to get out in the bush and get that geo out of his hair
Joe Rogan has entered the chat.
Reminds me of England's Diversity scandal.
That may be y'alls ancestors but not mine 👽
What are you an alien?
And I thought Orangutans are smart.
Male pattern badness.
Teach the Chimps to use guns
Boring, should have had a few clips showing a disturbance, not the violence 😢