Every Time Things Have Evolved Into Turtles

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  • Throughout the history of life, convergent evolution has resulted in all sorts of creatures evolving to look very similar to one another. One of the most interesting examples is the case of the repeatedly evolving turtles - the Placodonts, the Saurosphargids, the Glyptodonts, and even the Ankylosaurs.
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    0:00 - Introduction
    1:03 - Turtle Evolution
    9:10 - The Saurosphargids
    15:30 - The Placodonts
    21:41 - The Glyptodonts
    23:59 - The Ankylosaurs

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  • @sergeipohkerova7211
    @sergeipohkerova7211 9 місяців тому +2633

    I've always been fascinated by turtles and sharks that supposedly live to be hundreds of years old. Imagine the animal just doing its thing, meanwhile all these massive historical events for humans are happening. Like the turtle was around during the American Revolution, still kicking it today.

    • @Deathington.
      @Deathington. 9 місяців тому +325

      No matter how much humans fight over resources, the turtles still just be turtling around.

    • @theothertonydutch
      @theothertonydutch 9 місяців тому +115

      Unfortunately, they won't. Because most of our resources get turned into trash and end up in the ocean, fucking up those turtles.@@Deathington.

    • @beanoptodon
      @beanoptodon 9 місяців тому

      ​@@Deathington.Until we further damage the ecosystem and kill them all off :(

    • @blokin5039
      @blokin5039 9 місяців тому +74

      Just shows you how young the United States is.

    • @titanofserpents4315
      @titanofserpents4315 9 місяців тому +41

      That could make for an interesting video; a video about animal species that live long lives.

  • @ericvulgate
    @ericvulgate 9 місяців тому +2123

    Turtles, crabs, snakes, dolphins- archetypal shapes for specific lifestyles.
    I think we'll find similar creatures filling similar roles on other worlds.

    • @zoch9797
      @zoch9797 9 місяців тому

      Or aliens that look like those creatures.
      Fluid dymanics is true everywhere.

    • @SuperMrHiggins
      @SuperMrHiggins 9 місяців тому +166

      Without a doubt on planets like ours, imagine on other types of planets there's just some mind blowing stuff tho.

    • @nick3xtremegaming212
      @nick3xtremegaming212 9 місяців тому +310

      Turtles, Crabs, Snakes, Dolphins. Long ago the 4 body layouts lived in harmony, but everything changed when the snakes attacked.

    • @entropicflux8849
      @entropicflux8849 9 місяців тому +15

      only if we bring the creatures there to fill them.

    • @patreekotime4578
      @patreekotime4578 9 місяців тому +70

      Convergence in tetrapods especially really shouldnt be surprising, because the tetrapod toolkit is fairly limited. Four limbs... they can lose limbs, but dont gain new ones, the basic arrangement of organs is fairly set, and bilateral symmetry is standardized. The likelihood of a alien species convergently approaching the basic tetrapod toolkit and then also convergently evolving these Earth forms seems incredibly unlikely to me. Even after a billion years, non-tetrapods havnt convergently evolved the tetrapod toolkit even with the same exact environmental pressures. 🤷

  • @maddo1069
    @maddo1069 9 місяців тому +76

    The fact I watched this and said "oh wow so like armadillos" immediately before he mentioned armadillos and then said "ooo like ankylosaurus" immediately before he mentioned ankylosaurs made me unreasonably proud of myself for 1:15 in the morning

  • @richardlecomte4874
    @richardlecomte4874 6 місяців тому +52

    Eventually the turtle will evolve into crabs

  • @Funkiotologist
    @Funkiotologist 9 місяців тому +316

    I’ve been reading a book on Ancient Reptiles and it’s fascinating how diverse the entirety of Sauropterygia was and in particular it feels like Placodonts and Saurosphargids were made to mess with how we put together turtle evolution 😂

    • @curtiswfranks
      @curtiswfranks 9 місяців тому +4

      Title?

    • @DawnFire05
      @DawnFire05 9 місяців тому +2

      What book is it?

    • @Funkiotologist
      @Funkiotologist 9 місяців тому +20

      @@DawnFire05 Smithsonian Books Ancient Sea Reptiles, by Darren Naish. I got it for the beautiful illustrations but it’s so knowledgeable. I’ve wanted to start reading more and I realized “wait I already read paleontology papers I should just get books on it”

    • @Funkiotologist
      @Funkiotologist 9 місяців тому +6

      Also published in 2022 so very timely except some new discoveries that don’t really change much save the fact that saurosphargids are apart of sayropterygia as stated in this video

    • @frankieg3409
      @frankieg3409 9 місяців тому +1

      @@Funkiotologistwhat was wrong with Curtis wanting to know the title of the book?

  • @AlbertaGeek
    @AlbertaGeek 9 місяців тому +34

    Turtles and crabs. Obviously tank builds are the way to go.

    • @tricksterjoy9740
      @tricksterjoy9740 9 місяців тому +1

      Sheer HP/Damage Tank builds

    • @rageboibruh
      @rageboibruh 9 місяців тому +2

      What about the crocodile?

    • @recoil53
      @recoil53 4 дні тому +1

      @@rageboibruh Stretched out turtle.

  • @MarcusWolfWanders
    @MarcusWolfWanders 6 місяців тому +93

    ankylosaurs:
    "am I not turtle-y enough for the turtle club?
    turtle - turtle! *turtle noises*"

    • @zerjiozerjio
      @zerjiozerjio 4 місяці тому +2

      OMG, I love you so much for making this reference 😂❤

    • @GuLuBa
      @GuLuBa 4 місяці тому +2

      @@zerjiozerjioi don't get it pls explain 😢😭

    • @RosinGoblin
      @RosinGoblin 3 місяці тому +1

      ​@@GuLuBaits from a movie called Master of Disguise

  • @step6584
    @step6584 4 місяці тому +37

    I feel personally attacked that you assume I don’t know the difference between a turtle and a tortoise.

    • @nathanzink5283
      @nathanzink5283 29 днів тому

      The arrogance lol

    • @spinonoorsYT
      @spinonoorsYT 25 днів тому +1

      Turtle: tortoise that lives mostly in water
      Tortoise: turtle that lives ONLY on land

    • @TayWoode
      @TayWoode 24 дні тому

      He said he’d keep it simple and use American terms, they love to yap on about why things aren’t made to suit them, metric vs imperial, mph vs kph etc

    • @homeschoolprojectsandprese1053
      @homeschoolprojectsandprese1053 18 днів тому

      I was thinking the same thing.

    • @nathanzink5283
      @nathanzink5283 16 днів тому

      @@TayWoode we know what he said, I’m telling you that Americans absolutely differentiate between Turtles/Tortoises/etc so he’s wrong

  • @DeuxisWasTaken
    @DeuxisWasTaken 9 місяців тому +280

    I really like the short explanation of convergent evolution I first heard from Casual Geographic - "convergent evolution is like two people getting the same answer on the same test". It very well illustrates that under similar evolutionary pressures it makes sense for unrelated organisms to develop similar adaptations.

    • @maryeckel9682
      @maryeckel9682 8 місяців тому +17

      And the two people can be thousands of miles apart.

    • @gdsauyguyv
      @gdsauyguyv 6 місяців тому +6

      ​@maryeckel9682 and millions of years apart

    • @rafaelgonzalez4175
      @rafaelgonzalez4175 6 місяців тому +2

      Convergent evolution according to this meaning is simple learning. Two people getting the same answer learned the same thing to be tested on. Therefore they are supposed to get the same answer. Thousands of miles apart. Centuries from each other. Geez. Can you make it more difficult please.

    • @philipbaity7083
      @philipbaity7083 6 місяців тому

      It assumes however that they got the same answers purely by luck

    • @DeuxisWasTaken
      @DeuxisWasTaken 5 місяців тому +9

      @@philipbaity7083 they got many answers by random chance, but only the correct ones survived.

  • @JohnDrummondPhoto
    @JohnDrummondPhoto 9 місяців тому +686

    So basically all life wants to evolve into two forms: turtles and crabs. Not coincidentally, both are slow-moving and heavily-armored creatures that mostly (but not exclusively) live in or near water.
    It just occurred to me that this process of things evolving into turtles could be happening right now. Look at marine iguanas compared to their land-lubbing cousins: a wider, flatter body is pretty evident even though the species is less than 5 million years old. Who knows what they'll look like in 50 million years, if they still exist.

    • @minoadlawan4583
      @minoadlawan4583 9 місяців тому +123

      Animals losing their limbs and turning to snakes have been more common. The worm body plan is much more prolific than either crabs or turtles.

    • @RTaco
      @RTaco 9 місяців тому +55

      The shark body plan is super popular, too.

    • @JohnDrummondPhoto
      @JohnDrummondPhoto 9 місяців тому +6

      @@RTaco ?? Only among sharks.

    • @RTaco
      @RTaco 9 місяців тому +53

      @@JohnDrummondPhoto Ichthyosaurs and cetaceans, too.

    • @JohnDrummondPhoto
      @JohnDrummondPhoto 9 місяців тому +5

      @@RTaco good point.

  • @supremekermit
    @supremekermit 8 місяців тому +24

    “I can’t wait to see what turns into a turtle next” *slowly transforms into master oogway*

  • @jrmckim
    @jrmckim 9 місяців тому +324

    Wow I would've never guessed the bottom of the shell was the first to form. Turtles are so fascinating 🐢

    • @TheNeo349
      @TheNeo349 9 місяців тому +10

      dawkins has a nice long passage on turtle evolution in "the greatest show on earth" his book on evidence for evolution, describing this very peculiarity.

    • @sammadison1172
      @sammadison1172 9 місяців тому +4

      I enjoyed learning about how I was supposed to believe tortoises are turtles, because I'm American. Unfortunately I missed that lesson.

    • @vanhattfield8292
      @vanhattfield8292 8 місяців тому +8

      A strong foundation is required for any solid structure, whether it is something man made or something that is a product of nature. How could the top of the shell develop first if there was nothing below to support it?

    • @Grama04
      @Grama04 6 місяців тому +2

      actually for me bottom shell being first has more logic in it but I think I will never get how the entire skeleton grown out . after long years of study paleontology and sedimentology I didn't even come close to understanding this type of evolution. I still think its totally impossible without a written genetic program.

    • @regulargoat7259
      @regulargoat7259 4 місяці тому

      @@Grama04 you’re not an evolutionary biologist. Your qualifications in other fields don’t make you any more adept at understanding evolution, the same way my qualifications with databases doesn’t make me an expert in spreadsheets, merely an amateur with an interest in them. Don’t Dunning-Kruger yourself into being incurious or writing off a natural phenomenon as false.

  • @sykens587
    @sykens587 9 місяців тому +412

    I would love more convergent evolution videos. It's one of my favorite phenomenons in paleontology!

  • @hyfy-tr2jy
    @hyfy-tr2jy 9 місяців тому +102

    My instincts tell me that this "turtle" body form is a consequence of surviving in shallow seas, and when I say shallow, think less than a few feet deep. This broadened body plan could have you navigate these areas without breaking the surface, be able to pin yourself to the bottom as a defensive tactic and as a consequence the broadening of the body plan would probably also have the bones naturally widen to continue the flattened body plan and eventually fusing.

    • @book-obsessedweirdo8677
      @book-obsessedweirdo8677 9 місяців тому +15

      Plus if something does see you and/or step on you the shell provides protection.

    • @hyfy-tr2jy
      @hyfy-tr2jy 8 місяців тому +6

      @@DKShoneys-dc2dp Oh i have no doubt....just like fish that are vertically flattened....creating one dimension of your anatomy to be as large as possible makes it harder for you to be swallowed and thin makes you harder to notice

  • @DrakonHype-1-
    @DrakonHype-1- 8 місяців тому +6

    Turtles and crabs are peak design.

  • @Tyrantlizardking105
    @Tyrantlizardking105 9 місяців тому +142

    The plastron emerging first makes a lot of sense to me- as typically many animals focus their defense on/over their underbelly, since the vital organs are arranged closer to the abdomen than the back. Such as Primordial pouch in cats. The Carapace forming afterwards seems very logical

    • @MommyOfZoeAndLiam
      @MommyOfZoeAndLiam 4 місяці тому +5

      Especially if they were living in the water but breathing air, meaning they would often swim near the top and possibly be attacked from below (I am picturing the way sharks come up to attack their prey) so having a harder belly would be more important than a harder back....if they were being dive bombed by birds perhaps it would be different.

    • @hedgehog3180
      @hedgehog3180 2 місяці тому +2

      Humans have this too in the form of fat deposits around our stomach, though only some humans primarily store fat there. The downside of this is that it also puts you at a higher risk of developing Diabetes Type 2, so in the modern world this kinda sucks actually.

  • @mudgetheexpendable
    @mudgetheexpendable 9 місяців тому +27

    Turtles, crabs, and beetles are apparently gawd''s favorite children.

    • @elio7610
      @elio7610 9 місяців тому +1

      Probably mostly just that they are all significantly armored; armored creatures are naturally gonna be resistant to predation. Armor functions without any effort, unlike evasive and offensive methods of defense that require keen perception and skill to be effective.

    • @hedgehog3180
      @hedgehog3180 2 місяці тому +1

      God apparantly has a thing for small little armored dudes considering how many trilobites there were as well. Humans seem like more of an afterthought.

    • @madhammer232
      @madhammer232 Місяць тому

      No... So called black people are

  • @Marlodrama
    @Marlodrama 9 місяців тому +30

    Who else heard “Helveticasaurus” and immediately wondered what Times New Saurus looked like?

    • @AlejandroRodolfoMendez
      @AlejandroRodolfoMendez 9 місяців тому +1

      Since would be Latin probably would tempusneosaurus

    • @megalofirst1
      @megalofirst1 7 місяців тому +1

      I can't believe I understood this joke. Oh my God.
      Comicsansaurus. Fuck I'm going to go get my degree now just to do this

    • @Marlodrama
      @Marlodrama 7 місяців тому +1

      @@megalofirst1 PLEASE 😂😂 Papyrusaurus Rex has also been on my mind since i wrote this

  • @boundlessoul
    @boundlessoul 8 місяців тому +13

    Reject Crab! Embrace turtle!

  • @kendallguier1378
    @kendallguier1378 9 місяців тому +16

    Okay you Turtle, but do you Crab?

  • @dianabutterfield9519
    @dianabutterfield9519 9 місяців тому +474

    Dude, you have an uncanny gift for synthesizing vast amounts of information, and in turn interpreting and communicating the results clearly. Thanks so much for sharing your research with us!!

    • @nikolasduley4711
      @nikolasduley4711 9 місяців тому +6

      This is my first time seeing him and I couldn't agree more! I subscribed :)

    • @webviking
      @webviking 9 місяців тому +1

      Imagine if more humans were as intelligent, educated, and protective of nature as he is. Most humans are selfish, stupid, ignorant, uncaring about nature, materialistic, obnoxious, and polluting.

    • @jon420
      @jon420 9 місяців тому

      ​@@IsayahH-xm7qlEvolve

    • @kathybramley5609
      @kathybramley5609 8 місяців тому +4

      Nah he lost me at suggesting organisms copied the first one to get good at surviving in a particular niche, like it was like cheating in an exam or rebuilding your battle bot.

    • @LobsterCucumber
      @LobsterCucumber 8 місяців тому +3

      You mean he's organized? Great skill, lol. He's going in chronological order making it simple to stay on topic and tell the story from beginning to end. Again, great skill. Lol.

  • @jusakikun
    @jusakikun 9 місяців тому +122

    I would absolutely like to see you cover other examples in this level of detail. Keep up the great work.

    • @BenGThomas
      @BenGThomas  9 місяців тому +22

      Thank you! I'll definitely be doing some more videos like this :)

    • @Cat_Woods
      @Cat_Woods 9 місяців тому +6

      @@BenGThomas Yes would also love to see a part 2 on later turtle evolution.

    • @bluestormpony
      @bluestormpony 9 місяців тому +5

      @@BenGThomas yes me too i would very much like to see more videos like this!

  • @steelblake
    @steelblake 8 місяців тому +14

    Crabs have a mortal enemy now

  • @captainstroon1555
    @captainstroon1555 9 місяців тому +23

    It would be fun to see a video of this kind on worms, snakes, eels, weasels, and all the elongated critters built for digging and/or swimming.

  • @br.j9145
    @br.j9145 9 місяців тому +66

    We actually distinguish tortoises, turtles, and terrapins in the U.S. too. Although admittedly the latter is only referred to when we are speaking of a particular species. Maybe our scientists don't make these distinctions - but the ordinary person does. Really enjoy all your shows! You can't trust all UA-cam videos on such subjects - but you bring all the current studies - including the ones that challenge each other. In other words, you don't just state "facts" (which may either be out of date or still under discussion) as so many "scientific" YT channels do - so I know I can trust you for the current information. Excellent work. Thank you. Enjoying your new backgrounds too.

    • @nelle5339
      @nelle5339 9 місяців тому +10

      Seconded. I haven't heard of terrapins before, but tortoises and turtles are different and not used interchangeably.

    • @offbeat4772
      @offbeat4772 9 місяців тому +1

      I have a pet tortoise and pretty much anytime someone sees him they call him a turtle. At least in my experience, people call anything that looks similar to that a turtle

    • @captainmycaptain8334
      @captainmycaptain8334 9 місяців тому +10

      turtle is the catchall phrase but when we need to actually specify we'll say tortoise or turtle or terrapin, at least in my area. for other places it might change as america is so large things tend to change from place to place.

    • @psal8715
      @psal8715 9 місяців тому

      @@offbeat4772 Not my experience where i live, though we dont really have turtles here but have tortoises.

  • @NoahLavineASP
    @NoahLavineASP 9 місяців тому +56

    One of my favorite convergence in evolution is lungs. I know it's not a true lung, but the fact betta fish and other fish species can breath air is so incredible to me. And how it's just an adaptation for the poor oxygen levels in the betta fish's natural environment. Or other fish being able to do it to move from one body of water to another. Absolutely incredible.

    • @Just-Another_Channel
      @Just-Another_Channel 4 місяці тому

      Completely wrong there.
      Evolution is a lie, used by people, because they don't want to believe in God.
      I want you to know believing such a lie will not work.

    • @hedgehog3180
      @hedgehog3180 2 місяці тому

      A similar example is blood which I think evolved at least thrice.

  • @qarljohnson4971
    @qarljohnson4971 9 місяців тому +2

    It may appear that the repetitive vertebrate turtle form is analogous to how so many arthropods have evolved into crab forms.

  • @liamennis4516
    @liamennis4516 4 місяці тому +2

    I have a hard time wrapping my head around genetic changes happening over millions of years. Like I’m expecting this to be like a day and night difference right away.

  • @yissibiiyte
    @yissibiiyte 9 місяців тому +20

    Let's be honest, we all strive to be the ultimate lifeform; the turt

  • @benjaminwalters2188
    @benjaminwalters2188 9 місяців тому +9

    Imagine if you're swimming in a river and your leg is being hit over and over by a little tiny aquatic Ankylosaurus😂

  • @ShadowWolfTJC
    @ShadowWolfTJC 9 місяців тому +2

    Seems to me like bearded dragons are on the path towards becoming turtle-like, though they've still got a long ways to go.

  • @corvid...
    @corvid... 8 місяців тому +3

    Convergent evolution is always so fascinating... and when discssed on a channel this entertaining and informative it makes for a great experience. Thanks for all the wonderful content

  • @andauril
    @andauril 9 місяців тому +59

    that was super interesting!
    I'd love to see more about cases of convergent evolution for sure.
    Maybe "everytime things evolved into dolphins" (the bodyplan shows up a lot), everytime things evolved to have horns on their face, everytime things evolved into dogs (andrewsarchus looked a lot like a kind of canine but wasn't one; hyenas are not canines despite appearances; hyaenodon is also very dog-like in apperance despite not being a canine; and then there are thylacines ofc ... and those are just the ones i can come up with right now).
    Convergent evolution is so fascinating

    • @dudotolivier6363
      @dudotolivier6363 9 місяців тому +2

      Andrewsarchus wasn't at all dog/wolf-like like it is still time to time portrayed.
      It was a very close relative to the Entelodonts, aka the Killer Pig or Hell Pigs, who themselves, despite their name, were close relatives to Hippos and Cetacean (Whales and Dolphins) than Pigs.
      Andrewsarchus was firstly thought to be member of a group of hoofed dog-like animals, them once thought to be related to Cetacean, the Mesonyxian.
      Which was still believed by some people to be the case at the early 2000's, and hence why Andrewsarchus is depicted as a Mesonyxian, and as such as dog/wolf-like, in the BBC documentary "Walking With Beasts" in episode 2 "Whale Killer".
      An great obsolete image that still somewhat persist despite the new recent discoveries.

    • @lorencalfe6446
      @lorencalfe6446 9 місяців тому +4

      ‘Trees’ is one example. Any homoplasy polyphyletic group will do.
      Also Dogs ‘copied’ andrewsarchus since andrew came first. The canines are the imposters 🤪

    • @lorencalfe6446
      @lorencalfe6446 9 місяців тому +4

      Technically plants dont have true ovaries since their ‘ovaries’ evolved completely independantly of ours. Alot of biology revolves around polyphyly.
      “True” is such an inaccurate word though. Who are we to say which taxon is the most authentic of the body plan?

    • @lorencalfe6446
      @lorencalfe6446 9 місяців тому +3

      @@dudotolivier6363 if dogs grew to the size of rhinos they would look like carnivorous hippos too.

    • @MossyMozart
      @MossyMozart 9 місяців тому +3

      @@lorencalfe6446 - "Dire Hippos"?

  • @thedoruk6324
    @thedoruk6324 9 місяців тому +10

    Move aside *Crabs* ! Turtles are the New hit show now!

  • @NeonNijahn
    @NeonNijahn 4 місяці тому +6

    If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck... unless, of course, it's a turtle or a crab. Everything crabs.

  • @tituselul
    @tituselul 4 місяці тому +3

    This channel is pure gold. Congratulations for the incredible research and keep up the amazing work. Thank you for inspiring me to keep on studying. You have earned a subscriber!

  • @TragoudistrosMPH
    @TragoudistrosMPH 9 місяців тому +16

    1:45 we Americans use the 3 terms: Turtle, Tortoise, and Terrapin.
    Terrapin is kind of rarely used, though. Only when being technical, as terrapins are often called turtles for ease (but never tortoises).

    • @erilove593
      @erilove593 6 місяців тому

      Turtle it's use for terrain turtle? And tortoise for water turtle?

    • @tosehoed123
      @tosehoed123 4 місяці тому +7

      ​@@erilove593 the opposite

    • @richardtbrown756
      @richardtbrown756 4 місяці тому

      ​@@tosehoed123😂😂😂

  • @Sarafimm2
    @Sarafimm2 9 місяців тому +63

    Convergent evolution and parallel evolution have always been fascinating to me. I would love to see more videos like this one.

  • @LivyLoucifer
    @LivyLoucifer 5 місяців тому +1

    This is my first video of yours and I instantly subscribed!! Wonderful content and I love your stuffed turtle 😁

  • @noneya8866
    @noneya8866 4 місяці тому +4

    You ever think about how it's weird that turtles and frogs both have spilt into a water version and land version turtles being tortoises and frogs being toads

  • @weaponizedemoticon1131
    @weaponizedemoticon1131 9 місяців тому +110

    Conceptually, couldn't several beetle species be considered turtle like? With pre-retracted heads, hard shells on top and bottom, short thick legs, I think they might fit.

  • @KRJayster
    @KRJayster 9 місяців тому +8

    First I couldn’t trust crabs, and now I can’t trust turtles? What’s next?

  • @gator83261
    @gator83261 9 місяців тому

    Nice jump shotting. Really makes the video very appealing. Thanks.

  • @golbez3794
    @golbez3794 9 місяців тому

    great video, very informative. i had no idea turtles were so interesting, and the host was very engaging.

  • @thenoxxyboy
    @thenoxxyboy 9 місяців тому +86

    If the crab theory is carcinization, what's the turtle theory?

    • @HypochondriacStudios
      @HypochondriacStudios 9 місяців тому +37

      Testunization

    • @VVabsa
      @VVabsa 9 місяців тому +60

      The Turtling.

    • @simplypink8375
      @simplypink8375 9 місяців тому +8

      @@VVabsa i second this one

    • @_swegs
      @_swegs 9 місяців тому +2

      @@VVabsathis is gold

    • @ZeFroz3n0ne907
      @ZeFroz3n0ne907 9 місяців тому +3

      That sounds painful. =P@@HypochondriacStudios

  • @ladykoiwolfe
    @ladykoiwolfe 9 місяців тому +36

    I absolutely want to know more about turtles. They're so weird that they're amazing.
    And yes, I want to see other examples of convergent evolution. The Foosa looking like cats immediately came to mind.

    • @passingby3584
      @passingby3584 9 місяців тому +2

      Search up the marsupial lion

    • @teresaellis7062
      @teresaellis7062 9 місяців тому +2

      And lots of spiky, warm-blooded animals. 😂Hedgehogs, porcupines, echidnas, tenrec. Plus lots of other spiky animals.

    • @ladykoiwolfe
      @ladykoiwolfe 9 місяців тому +1

      @@passingby3584 I went down that rabbit hole a while ago. It was fascinating. Thylacoleo. Very cool.

    • @ladykoiwolfe
      @ladykoiwolfe 9 місяців тому

      @@teresaellis7062 those are cool all on their own, very interesting group.

    • @ettinakitten5047
      @ettinakitten5047 9 місяців тому +2

      Fossa are close cousins to cats, so that might not be convergent evolution. Now, the quolls are definitely an example of convergent evolution - they're small carnivorous marsupials that have often been called "marsupial cats" or "native cats".

  • @andrewsarchus6036
    @andrewsarchus6036 9 місяців тому +3

    It's turtles all the way down, young man.

  • @michaelmcatee221
    @michaelmcatee221 9 місяців тому +1

    Please do a convergence series! This is awesome!!!

  • @alexpulham7436
    @alexpulham7436 9 місяців тому +14

    the convergence of sociality/eusociality in different groups would be cool, like how ants, bees, termites and naked mole rats have each evolved complex social societies

    • @hedgehog3180
      @hedgehog3180 2 місяці тому

      Ants, bees and termites are all descended from the same eusocial ancestor. Naked mole rats are the only other example of eusociality.

  • @Brocuzgodlocdunfamdogson
    @Brocuzgodlocdunfamdogson 9 місяців тому +16

    It’s not quite the same, but convergent technologies that were independently discovered by people around the world have always interested me. Like the bow and arrow, people all over the place figured out that one.

    • @diktatoralexander88
      @diktatoralexander88 4 місяці тому +2

      Or like swords. Europe and Japan developed different styles of swords of course, with European swords being more narrow tipped for stabbing through the gaps on thick plate armor, whereas Japanese swords were made more for cutting through thick wooden or light sectioned armor.
      Also because of the iron ore quality in Japan, they had to construct their swords a very certain way (by melting black sand in a furnace, and folding this several times over, after which they add a layer of carbon treated steel on top of it).
      But despite all of this, both styles utilize similar cutting techniques, parrying and fighting styles. There are differences but there are also alot of similarities.

    • @hedgehog3180
      @hedgehog3180 2 місяці тому

      The bow probably isn't convergent but is likely a very ancient development.

    • @Brocuzgodlocdunfamdogson
      @Brocuzgodlocdunfamdogson 2 місяці тому

      @@hedgehog3180 ancient doesn’t mean it was developed by one group. Multiple different groups discovered fire and simple tools without contacting each other.

  • @matt01506
    @matt01506 8 місяців тому +1

    What a pleasure listening to clear well spoken English.
    A very informative and well narrated
    Documentary.

  • @sphinxd1529
    @sphinxd1529 9 місяців тому

    Fascinating video. Absolutely fascinating!

  • @sidorak12814
    @sidorak12814 9 місяців тому +30

    Super interesting! I didn't actually know anything else evolved into a cheloniform body plan except the little Ankylosaur and the Armadillos!
    "Every Time Things Have Evolved Into Noodles/Worms/Snakes" would be super interesting, but also probably take a year to make and be 3 hours long lol

  • @ProfezorSnayp
    @ProfezorSnayp 9 місяців тому +9

    I like turtles

  • @blackavar5723
    @blackavar5723 8 місяців тому +1

    This is a wonderful video. We have a pet tortoise, (a large male redfoot) who roams the house in diapers because he outgrew enclosures. We've had him for 12 years and love him - we've long had discussions about how different he is from other animals we've had in structure, being a turtle and all. This video answered a lot of questions we'd had for many years - thank you!!

  • @ThecrazyJH96
    @ThecrazyJH96 4 місяці тому +2

    I often forget that all species (including us) aren’t done evolving, wondering what future animals will look like

  • @cogitoergosum9069
    @cogitoergosum9069 9 місяців тому +5

    Just FYI, we do, in fact, distinguish between turtles and tortoises here in America. That said, we just consider terrapins to be a type of turtle.

  • @2horses4U
    @2horses4U 9 місяців тому +14

    Thank you for this absolutely interesting, high quality episode! I enjoy all episodes, but this one sits defenetly in my favorite top 10 list! And YES please, I would love more episodes about convergent evolution!

    • @BenGThomas
      @BenGThomas  9 місяців тому +3

      Thank you I'm glad you enjoyed it so much! I'll definitely do more :)

  • @Annathroy
    @Annathroy 9 місяців тому +7

    Having seen and handled a local small turtle here where I live for a very short time (I released it, did not want to cause it stress) I was fascinated by their structure. They are amazingly tough and strong even the small ones

    • @beanz6795
      @beanz6795 4 місяці тому

      Especially the small ones 😉 🐢

  • @JesseRyan
    @JesseRyan 6 місяців тому +2

    Am I not turtley enough for the turtle club? Turtle, turtle, turtle!

  • @stuchly1
    @stuchly1 9 місяців тому +12

    I am totally new to your channel but I really liked this video. Well-researched, not obscuring the details ir oversimplifying the complexities.
    All presented in a really captivating way. I'd definitely enjoy more videos of this sort in the future.
    As it is, this was an easy sub and a thumbs up from me. Great video!
    Also also, extra points for not omitting armadillos/glyptodonts. ❤👍

  • @Jet_Threat
    @Jet_Threat 9 місяців тому +7

    Hey Ben! I’d love for you to make this a series. I came up with some content ideas I would love to see you cover:
    1. Mimicry/convergent evolution in insects (example: the fossilized Oregramma illecebrosa vs modern owl butterfly
    2. Convergent evolution in mammalian apex predators (Canidae, Thylacinidae, Feliformia/Hyaenidae)
    3. Thylacosmilidae vs Felidae/Sabert-toothed cats
    4. Evolution of carnivorism in plants, convergent evolution amongst pitcher plants (Nepenthaceae, Sarraceniaceae and Cephalotaceae)
    5. Evolution of olfactory glomeruli (such as in neopteran insects and some molluscs but not all outgroups to these groups)
    6. Electrogenisis in fish
    7. Echolocation in bats and toothed whales
    8. The multiple times syncytin genes have developed from endogenous retroviral elements on multiple occasions and independently in diverse mammalian species.
    9. Old world and new world vultures
    10. Evolution of venom in snakes, arthropods, platypus, etc.
    11. Toxicity in animals derived from toxins in food source (such as poisonous feathers in birds such as the pitohui, ifrita bird, hoopoe, spur-winged goose, red warbler, etc).
    12. Lobsters and scorpions
    13. Symbiotic relationships between flowers/plants and insects/birds/other species.
    Sorry if there are any spelling mistakes, I typed this on the down-low as I’m supposed to be paying attention to a work meeting right now. 😅 Cheers, mate! Love your channel.

  • @whatdaisysays6825
    @whatdaisysays6825 4 місяці тому +3

    It's the only way we as multi celled organisms can avoid rent as we evolve. We got built in mobile homes.

  • @bobbaker1830
    @bobbaker1830 8 місяців тому +3

    Absolutely you should do a post triassic turt evolution video!

  • @herbf2700
    @herbf2700 9 місяців тому +4

    Very clever idea for a video. And in a way, beetles are in the mix if you stand back far enough and think about it.

  • @tisisonlytemporary
    @tisisonlytemporary 9 місяців тому +5

    Its turtles all the way down

  • @RoseThistleArtworks
    @RoseThistleArtworks 9 місяців тому +2

    I'm glad you included armadillos. This was very interesting and thorough. Thank you. Combining artist's imagination of how the fossils might have looked with actual pictures of fossils and without any clear delineation between the two, only confuses the presentation, in my opinion. Imagination of how things could look and the actual fossil records are both great, but need to be clearly defined when presenting a scientific case to people who may not be deep in the scientific field and/or realize how an artist is only giving their opinion of how the flesh around the fossils looked.

  • @a1k1gen
    @a1k1gen 9 місяців тому +4

    Evolution and I: I like turtles.

  • @AlisNinsky
    @AlisNinsky 9 місяців тому +5

    Turtles! I am excited for the not quite but totally almost turtles.

  • @loganwilcox4037
    @loganwilcox4037 9 місяців тому +3

    Co-worker: "Hey buddy, hope you had a good night off work. Get up to anything crazy?!?"
    Me, tomorrow morning, lying my face off: "Ya, totally"

  • @kennethbartels1871
    @kennethbartels1871 2 місяці тому

    good stuff young man!

  • @spooky_lxix9042
    @spooky_lxix9042 4 місяці тому +2

    so in the end all of us are 1 evolution away from being a turtle

  • @perfectallycromulent
    @perfectallycromulent 9 місяців тому +7

    yes, but how often have turtles evolved into ninjas?

  • @John.0z
    @John.0z 9 місяців тому +15

    I am very supportive of more material on turtles. To meet sea turtles, especially to see them hatch, is to find them deeply compelling. I even helped to get two females back into the water safely. One was dragging herself back into the water over horribly sharp coral, and headed straight for a rock coral wall!
    The things we animals will do to propagate our species.

  • @TheMADGUY50
    @TheMADGUY50 9 місяців тому +1

    "I cant wait to see what turns into a turtle next" made me question many things.
    Nice video, very enjoyment.

  • @aresaurelian
    @aresaurelian 9 місяців тому

    This is truly immersive science and research. I imagined them alive in their habitats while you described them. What a fantastic world we live on.

  • @salscibetta
    @salscibetta 9 місяців тому +25

    Great video! I'd definitely love to see more on turtle evolution. One evolutionary question I've had is why are there no Testunididaes in Australia (there are some in Sulawasi that are across the Wallace Line)

    • @JohnDrummondPhoto
      @JohnDrummondPhoto 9 місяців тому +3

      I presume that turtles evolved in an area far away from Australia at a time when that continent had separated far away from the rest of the former Pangea. At this point there's no way for terrestrial turtles to migrate to Australia. But, are there at least sea turtles nesting on Australian shores today?

    • @bkjeong4302
      @bkjeong4302 9 місяців тому

      @@JohnDrummondPhoto
      Plenty of sea turtles in Australia.

    • @salscibetta
      @salscibetta 9 місяців тому +2

      Testinididaes are the terrestrial tortoises. I used the order name because freshwater turtles are typically called tortoises in Australia. My question is pertaining to the terrestrial Chelonians.

  • @OMGitshimitis
    @OMGitshimitis 9 місяців тому +7

    I'd love to see more videos on convergence. I'd really like to see one on plants if that's something you'd be interested in. Ideas include trees/fruiting and animal pollination/ insectivory. I'd also love to see convergence in bivalves and molluscs.

  • @russeltoombs3800
    @russeltoombs3800 9 місяців тому

    My new fav favorite your awesome keep it up

  • @shantha5437
    @shantha5437 9 місяців тому

    Thanks you so much for your analysis and explaining to us . 👍👌

  • @jean-paulaudette9246
    @jean-paulaudette9246 9 місяців тому +3

    I'm so grateful you spoke about the Glyptodonts. I'd heard a bit about them, and they captivated my imagination... But I'd never been able to properly visualize them.

  • @YusufGinnah
    @YusufGinnah 9 місяців тому +11

    Turtles are just a few steps before everything turns into crabs...

    • @gordybishop2375
      @gordybishop2375 9 місяців тому +2

      With gills…crabs. Lungs….turtles

  • @WiglyWorm
    @WiglyWorm 6 місяців тому

    Good content, well presented. Just found your channel and I dig it. I've got one for you: Every time something has evolved into a woodpecker. It might sound boring at first, until you consider that Madagascar's Aye aye has definitely evolved into a woodpecker.

  • @NextToToddliness
    @NextToToddliness 9 місяців тому +4

    The fact that convergent evolution is described as "copying" is concerning to say the least.

  • @ideologybot4592
    @ideologybot4592 9 місяців тому +7

    The convergent phenomenon makes sense. Once there is a niche sorted out where heavier bones are an advantage, which could be ballast or could be protection from below giving value to a plastrum, they will be slower and the logic of survival pushes them towards a full-on armor tank. If you were designing combat vehicles, fast movers can have a thousand different shapes depending on expected terrain so long as you keep it light, but equipment which starts out heavy has one sensible way to go: shield it until it becomes its own garage.

  • @lmp8932
    @lmp8932 7 місяців тому

    Very, very interesting. Thank you 🙂

  • @andrewkawam2603
    @andrewkawam2603 8 місяців тому +1

    1:42 As always, can't get enough of how Ben says tortoise.

  • @chir0pter
    @chir0pter 9 місяців тому +21

    I think you also have to look at plesiomorphic characteristics that predispose certain lineages to evolve a certain way. They’re not just evolving convergently in response to environmental pressures, they’re being funneled by their shared ancestral features. Like the animal you showed in your thumbnail is actually a stem-turtle that independently evolved derived turtle characters like a shell and oar-like flippers, probably because they had a bauplan that predisposed oar-like swimming styles and this then allows evolution of a shell since the thorax doesn’t need to undulate. Likewise other members of this stem turtle group like the pliosaurs shared this oared swimming style. And you can also mention how archosaurs repeatedly evolved bipedal predatory forms- unlike synapsids- and this is probably down to how the archosaur/reptile bauplan involved the tail in musculature used for the hind limbs, which synapsids didn’t so they remained mostly quadrupedal and often lost their tails. So “convergence” is only half the story.

    • @chir0pter
      @chir0pter 9 місяців тому +1

      @@Nelumbo_lutea Many quadrupedal synapsids lost their tails. This essentially didn't happen with reptiles, except maybe flying birds, and even they kept a functional pygostyle. That's the point.

  • @kokomo74149
    @kokomo74149 9 місяців тому +9

    Just FYI, we call them turtles, terrafins and tortoises too. 😂
    Or we simplify it by calling them box turtles, tortoises, sea turtles and river turtles to distinguish between the land based and aquatic. It makes it easier to know if they need water using this method. That's why you hear it said that way more often. It's for educational purposes for people who don't really care about turtles.

  • @jonhenrickson6075
    @jonhenrickson6075 9 місяців тому +4

    Waiting for him to say I like turtles...

  • @rainingred2948
    @rainingred2948 28 днів тому

    I would like to hear more, very neat!

  • @melvinshine9841
    @melvinshine9841 9 місяців тому +10

    It was sort of touched on with the phytosaur image near the beginning, but animals evolving the crocodile body plan/lifestyle would make for a cool video. I think the croc body plan evolved three or four times before actual crocodilians, including in what I think was the largest ever amphibian, Prionosuchus. Also, "saber teeth" have evolved so many times it's actually weird that there isn't some sort of saber toothed carnivore running around somewhere on Earth right now.

    • @CG-xb1kh
      @CG-xb1kh 9 місяців тому +1

      Seconded!

    • @fantasystaplesuwu1554
      @fantasystaplesuwu1554 9 місяців тому +3

      There are plenty of animals with "saber" teeth. Musk deer, elephants, walruses, baboons, etc....

    • @CG-xb1kh
      @CG-xb1kh 9 місяців тому +1

      @@fantasystaplesuwu1554 I think they meant predatory saber-tetth, but I was referring to the crocobods.

    • @azar1520
      @azar1520 9 місяців тому

      ​@@CG-xb1kh
      Jaguars are evolving into saber tooths.

    • @DannyArguetaValencia
      @DannyArguetaValencia 9 місяців тому

      Warthogs?????

  • @TroyTheCatFish
    @TroyTheCatFish 9 місяців тому +5

    This is a certified 🐢 classic

  • @archonjubael
    @archonjubael 4 місяці тому

    I only had 5 minutes, but nice work! I liked what I saw, so I might be back to finish it up!

  • @sharendonnelly7770
    @sharendonnelly7770 9 місяців тому

    Convergent evolution is all around us, so please do expound on this fascinating topic! (looking at a chicken and comparing to T-Rex... yep, I see similarities.) Would especially like to see a video on the convergence of body form of dolphins and ichthyosaurs. Great video, really enjoyed it.

  • @dracone4370
    @dracone4370 9 місяців тому +6

    It probably could interesting to see just how many lineages evolved the feline body plan.

    • @kR-qj7rw
      @kR-qj7rw 8 місяців тому +1

      I mean I guess we could say the gorgonipsids did it first

  • @zachariaszut
    @zachariaszut 9 місяців тому +4

    0:24 You may call it what you like. It is a stark lack of imagination from these living organisms.
    Great channel you got here, by the way. Interesting, always fresh and intelligent.
    Cheers.

  • @DaerunBennett
    @DaerunBennett 8 місяців тому

    Appreciate the time and study that you put into all that you do true blessing❤✊🏿💯

  • @Cdawg6429o
    @Cdawg6429o 5 місяців тому

    Incredibly interesting video yet difficult to watch at 2am. Saving for later in the day

  • @JJ_Jahronus
    @JJ_Jahronus 9 місяців тому +3

    If I had to choose an ancient marine reptile to be brought back magically It would've been Archelon, watching Leatherbacks blows my mind on how much bigger an Archelon was. Great video as always.

    • @kR-qj7rw
      @kR-qj7rw 8 місяців тому

      I would go for ichthyosaurus

    • @JJ_Jahronus
      @JJ_Jahronus 8 місяців тому

      @@kR-qj7rw Nice choice 🤘, I have a favorite Icthyosaur called Thalattoarchon.