I'm glad you personally proved us scousers have a little more street wise about us 😉 Overall a sick event, clouded by one really sketchy guy wearing Gok Wan glasses! Also love that you've missed out the real scam of the weekend...you being charged £1 to use a toilet 😂
Hello Top Tier Ticker, Brian here from Panther Watch Co. I am sorry that you feel you over paid for your watch. The link you found was an old link from a few years ago. The current price for the watch is 250 GBP. It's a great price for a very solid watch with top end specs. The original run was 100 pieces. There are now only 6 pieces remaining. I thought I might move the last of them at the show to pay towards travel expenses etc. I wish you had simply come to talk with me about any concerns, I would have happily given you the difference in price on the spot. That offer still stands as I would hate to think you feel you have not had a great deal. I am a watch enthusiast myself and created the watches to scratch that itch of making my own watch. If you prefer to return the watch, I am more than happy to send you a refund. I can assure you no scam was intended and I stand by the quality of the watch you bought. I will email you via your website so you can let me know if you would like the difference or a full refund. Kind regards Brian
Hello Brian, I don't feel like I overpaid for the watch, the watch was worth £250 at the POS. It was a bit funny that the watch was on sale at an 'event special price', even though you were selling it for cheaper online. The 'scammed' feelings come through the tactics you used to sell the watch to me. You mentioned that 'Max Van Brauge' had a hand in the making of these watches, but I don't believe that to be true. I believe that these watches are a little side project by yourself, which is completely fine. And if that was told to me when buying the watch, I absolutely would've still purchased the watch and none of this would've happened. I actually would've thought that was even cooler. The watch itself is actually fairly decent, and the case is super nice. It's just a shame the way you went about selling them. As for the money, keep it for your travel expenses. The eBay listing still shows that you have 20 available for sale, even though you have bumped up the price to £250 now. So I'd advise changing your stock levels on the listing to avoid any more future disappointment. Best, Kieron Top Tier Ticker
@@TopTierTicker Thanks for being a Gentleman about this. To confirm you are right, Panther watches have nothing to do with Van Brauge Watch Company, perhaps you could mention this in your next post? Unsurprisingly they will not be working with me again in the future. But lessons learnt. Regards Brian
What ? A limited edition watch from an unknown firm but it is available for one day only ? lol Look at it this way - you were happy to pay £250 at the time, so that is what it is worth (to you)
This isn’t a scam, a bit dishonest maybe but not a scam. The guy offered you a watch and you purchased a watch. You could have Googled it when you were going the ATM. Also there are loads of things which are more expensive in person than you can find online.
I was absolutely a scam. He lied, both about who makes it and about it being a limited edition for the event. He also provided a false receipt. Inducing the person to a false perception of reality is the definition of a scam. Or maybe you like calling it "fraud" better, which it was.
Authorized dealers are more of a scam. A Blancpain AD wanted $9500 for Bathyscape on NATO, got the same watch on Jomashop 2 months ago for $7100. Also Got a new Omega Denim Railmaster on Joma for $2800. Both original boxes, paperwork. I don’t recommend NATO on Bathyscape as lugs don’t turn down. Also Blancpain uses pressure pins instead of regular pins, Blancpain pins require special tools to change as I broke end of one pin trying to remove and partially embedded inside watch. But quick release pins still work fine.
It was a scam aka fraud aka fraudulent commercial practice: He lied about who made the watch, being a limited edition specially made for this event (false advertisement), and he provided a false receipt.
The guy likely had higher costs incurred in having his business pay to attend this event. This is why he sold it to you at a higher price. However, he did mislead you in the way that it was sold. Just enjoy it. Its a nice and unique watch regardless.
Should have done some research before purchasing buyer beware ! He took you for a mug however the upside to this purchase is you have learnt what could have been a very expensive lesson.
The watch is alright, the case is nice... But the movement is a basic Miyota without hacking seconds. Wasn't really checking price, just checking the credibility. I'm glad I did too!
Here’s my advice ….. Never buy anything in a rush except toilet paper. If something looks too good to be true it usually is. 😂😂😂😂 Just like these guys selling green and gold Daytona Rolex’s saying because they are discontinued they are worth over £100,000 when you can buy them today for £50,000. Buy a watch because you love its look and if its £5 or £50000 enjoy it
I'm sorry but this was in no way a scam. You just fell for the age-old sales technique that EVERY company has used at one time or another. Make something seem more attractive by saying it's limited and time is of the essence. Everyone from Tesco to Tudor does it. It might be misleading but it's not illegal. He didn't give you an empty box on a bag - you got the watch you saw. You didn't buy it because it was limited, you bought it because you liked the look of it. Scammers are people who phone up old people and get them to transfer their pensions to a 'more lucrative' scheme and then run off with the money. Sounds to me like you are trying to cover up your naivety by pouring scorn on a salesman. Call yourself a watch dealer? I think you need to learn a few lessons about business, marketing, sales and getting a proper VAT receipt because that scribbled not will never be accepted by HMRC!
And just to add more to this, on your website you advertise a Fortis watch from the 80s that you market as something for the collector that is "completely unique that NO ONE else will have.". How do you know this for sure? How rare is this, can you say there are only 5, 50, 500 or 5000 of these left? I don't think you can, so aren't you equally at fault of 'creative marketing' in the same way the seller at the show was?
You buy a watch from an unknown guy without any research, than you find out hours later it’s a scam and you call yourself a “watch guy”?! And you run a business? Hum…
I recently bought a Casio F91W at a local shop for $22. Later, I looked online and found one for sale for $17. Total scam! I am reporting the local shop to the business license board, the town newspaper, the tv stations and posting flyers outside the shop, doing everything in my power to destroy this shop and the owners life and make sure he never scams anybody every again.
Getting “scammed” into buying a watch IS NOT the same as getting “scammed”, your money is yours to buy whatever you think is worthy BTW i love YEMA too, but do they have any for a large wrist size??
My wife and I won a Lamborghini and the first shop we used to wrap the car tried to steal it from us. We don’t even drive the car any longer as the guy put us through absolute misery just to get the car back and we were trying to use it for children’s events…. It doesn’t matter if it’s a $50 item or a car, getting scammed leaves a memory on whatever item it is that you purchased that can’t be forgotten.
Are you disappointed with the watch though? at the end of the day if you like the watch and it brings back the memory of a great weekend you shouldn’t care of you over paid $100 and don’t focus on the negatives it may cloud your good memories of the weekend.
It's a Chinese made Miyota/Citizen movement watch costing about 100 ish on Ali. Which is probably what he paid for it. He's a retailer so he doubled the price to cover his overheads just like any high street jeweller does. You were a mug for falling for the sales BS but you weren't scammed. Look at the price of Miyota/Citizen movement watches in your local jewellers window. You basically got a Citizen with a nice case for 250. Stop complaining.
Scam? I don't think so. The seller was very smart. Sell watches at a higher than average price to vulnerable, over excited, people at a whacky watch event. It's up to the buyer to do their homework before buying anything. Especially a brand of watch that you've never heard of. I'd be mad and make a video about how I screwed up also. BTW, I can sell you Big Ben if you're interested. I usually sell it for 250 pounds but for you..... 200. Deal?
Well, £250 for a watch like that is hardly a disaster and in my opinion a cheap lesson to teach you that don’t believe everything a “clever” sales person says… I think most of us has done mistakes like this.
I wouldnt call it a scam, if I get a watch cheaper online than with an AD, is that also a scam? Are the second hand prices on Rolex a scam? You overpaid, 50£, and you learned something, and I gotta say, its not a bad looking watch, I can see why you liked it, enjoy it and now you have an awesome story to ho with it, thats a real talking piece.
I'm pretty sure that they'd know nothing about it. And I wouldn't want to bring them any negative PR, hence when I say that they are likely not involved. Just a shady character taking advantage of enthusiasts.
You over 18 and you “know” the watch game and yet you can’t use your phone to check the price and availability before buying …. And you say you a northerner … tsk tsk ..
I've worked county fair ground shows in a couple of states. Don't go to a show thinking the pricing overall will be cheaper than other outlets. Vendors/retailers at the show have a high overhead cost making discounts rather unlikely. Deals could be had on used and bulk purchases at times. Other times the product is unique/new, the product is sold to jobbers/salesmen initially because it's the cheapest means of distribution. Later, depending on results, the product is advertised nationally, this exposure is important to resellers and end consumers. The product has to be sold to the resellers first before the end consumer. A successful product becomes widely available and eventually sales at many retailers at a substantially lower price than the show because like many a product, volume has everything to do with unit pricing. I would imagine most products fail. Such a product will likely be dumped onto the market by a limited number of resellers, depending on volume available. Possibly, the watch purchased falls within the realm somewhere as described.
With respect, I wouldn't really say you were scammed. Poor sales ethics but you agreed a price and received a watch. Next time do your research before agreeing to the purchase. Kind of feel you've made some pretty rookie errors here, especially when it comes to no-name brands. Good video, anyway. Best of luck with future vids.
Sorry for your luck. Takes a lot of guts for you to admit it. These scheissters had to pay to exhibit at the show, and they would likely attempt to justify the higher price to cover their show expenses. But nothing excuses them from their BIG LIE. Hope you continue exposing them!
I understand the feeling of being scammed in heat of the moment FOMO foma but absent the trickery do you feel the watch is worth what you paid in terms of materials, design, and quality? Or is it really a rubbish watch? Glad you otherwise enjoyed the event. This will be one of those tales to share over a pint in the future.
I'd say it's an apt memento of a visit to the Isle of London, well done. 7 quid a pint and a cheeky little scam. Glad it wasn't a dodgy Rolex experience
Bullshit you paid what you wanted to pay for the watch. £50 mark up from whats on eBay was money well spent to make this video which I suspect was your agenda in the first place.
Sorry to hear that. Unfortunately these events attract these types of scammers globally. You learned a valuable lesson and it’s less likely this will happen to you in the future. 🙌🏽
I remember at a recent concert merch guy at table told me one of the cd for sale was imported n rare. I decided to not buy it n went back to my sit and google it. Found it online for like $25 less.
How could you think that they made a watch especially for this little London watch fare ?really, design,manufacture...a watch ..for this watch fare, did it have the word London kn it ??.j cang believe your telling us about it.
Scammed? People overpay all the time, just have a look in the high street or the premium watch brands, customers buy the story and the watch, just as you did. I think you got what you payed for.
The price of the watch isn't the issue, as you say, people pay more in person for almost everything. It's the tactics used to sell the watch that is the 'scam'
does the watch work? does the watch have the same specs he said? maybe it's just me but in USA we wouldn't have made a big deal about this, because you didn't pay a grand or something.
Now that you have told your whole story.. we can consider that this watch is unique.. truly special and any watch with a special story increases in value I think you can now resell it for double the price! 😀
You paid 250quid for a nice looking watch and a private lesson you'll never forget. It won't be your last time you'll get ripped off but seriously what do you expect when most watches at the show are 10x that plus.
I recommend that you remove the caseback and inspect the movement and test the glass to see if it is indeed sapphire. Unfortunately, knockoffs make buying on the street or at a show, very risky, especially if you have no knowledge of the brand but frankly, even if it's branded with a top tier brand!
I've already tested the glass, it is sapphire. I'll check the movement at some point, but I'm not bothered now, it's done 😁 move on and find some more good watches 😁
Not a scam... Is it a scam that you posted this video stating you got scammed and i cant have my time back? Nope. You bought into a story and a narrative. The watch was a trinket to commemorate the event. It's just the same as buying those cheap boxes or decorative coconut shells on a tropic vacation. It's not a scam if you decide to overpay.
I think some people here are missing the scam. The claim it was limited in numbers and to the event only is the scam. This is creates a urgency that you need to act quickly and can stop most people thinking logically. I personally would get rid of the watch as it will always evoke mixed emotions and if your honest with yourself are you likely to want to wear it now? By the way like the content 👍
Hey welcome to the real world! Everybody one day or another get scammed whether it is in the watch world or elsewhere 😢. Dishonest people are everywhere. Just suck it up and move on. It's just part of life even though it's unpleasant.God forbid how many times I've been scammed and I'm still alive and ticking.
Even before u started your story and showed a pic of the watch I knew I had seen it before. I pretty sure I saw it on Amazon & though oh sales must be different in the UK. Anyhow sorry u got scammed, live and learn and it's a lesson for fellow enthusiasts. 😢
I dont think its a scam! I think we should all be using cash more. Its your ultimate responsibility and I think its a nice watch. Dont buy anything on a whim, do your due diligence before ,not after.
So you work in the watch industry and the first time away from home on business, you buy a watch you’ve never heard of, pay compliantly in cash , then get cold feet. He may be the dealer off eBay who’s gone to the show and inflated his prices because it’s in London. Scammed ? No ! Getting scammed isn’t paying £250 for a £200 EBay watch. You’ve been very naive and perhaps taken for a mug, take it on the chin and learn from it
@@TopTierTicker you are absolutely right, there is no excuse. But that’s not going to stop it, there are always going to be chancers and sharp practice. Let’s face it, you’ll not fall for it again. I bet the “only pay in cash” tickled a self preservation bone and that’s why you looked into it later. Good fortune matey.
Man, this got me thinking that a bad experience can ruin a good watch just as easily as happy memory can elevate a cheap watch! This case is killer, love that crown, classic looking dial with great contrast. But.......the details surrounding kind of town drown that out....
Exactly, however my dad will for sure appreciate the watch for what it is, without the negative story attached to it! So it'll be going to him very soon :)
Exactly, I bought it as a keeper, just to hold on to for the future... But then when I started looking into it a little, and unravelled all of this shady business, it's ruined it for me. I think I'll be giving it to my father anyway, and he'll appreciate it for what it is :)
This is called business ...due diligence is down to the buyer . This is not a scam it's how life works . Airlines do it every day as do many other things
I don't see how so many people are missing the point with this... The guy literally lied to me to get the sale. He claimed something that is completely false. He used shady tactics to take my money. Yes, I do take some of the responsibility, hence why I haven't taken this any further than an interesting video. I'm not looking for revenge or my money back. I accept my mistakes. But to claim that the guy did nothing wrong and 'that's just how life works' is madness.
@@TopTierTicker I cannot believe you are naive enough not to see that this goes on in absolutely everything . Range of electric cars iPhones ( 13 exactly the same as 14 ) watches 316 ss when its 304 delivery drivers and package deliveries. If you think everyone is telling the truth I admire your trust and faith . In any event it was not a huge amount of money and it was a guy exploiting the situation that has happened to me several times . I just smile and think he was smarter than me and I learn . It's not a scam it's a lack of due diligence . It's the world we live in greed that allows it to happen and will allow it to continue ...you thought you were getting a great deal ..you didn't ..not a scam just a deal that was not what you thought . Fact is you trusted him and now you feel betrayed because you were wrong . You just met the guy , years ago integrity was built in .. now it does not exist in most people .
Doing business by cheating and lying is same as theft. Only a dishonest scumbag will think its okay to do business this way. Unfortunate how dishonesty has become a way of doing business. Life doesn't work that way and thankfully such people get karma back in one way or another.
There is no Brand 😂😂😂 Chinese Mfg. , drop and ship for a limited number of pieces . Open the Case-Back and see what’s inside . 1st. Lesson : A lot of Shite Watches around ! 2nd. Lesson : An equal # of Sheisters too , me thinks .
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I'm glad you personally proved us scousers have a little more street wise about us 😉 Overall a sick event, clouded by one really sketchy guy wearing Gok Wan glasses! Also love that you've missed out the real scam of the weekend...you being charged £1 to use a toilet 😂
A pound to spend a penny....😂🤣😂🤣
He's a wool J. He can't help it. 😂🤣
Says me, I'm from f'ing Skem 🤣🤣
For a manc he's alright like 😂
@@JasonTheWatchGuy got had off kidda. Bad move!
Spoken like a true Toffee.
YNWA@@JasonTheWatchGuy
At any of these conventions and similar events, the biggest red flag is when a vendor tells you that a product is only available for sale on that day.
True! Lesson learnt, big time!
@@TopTierTickerjust sent u a message on ig
Knowing it was a Miyota 8215 and you being in the watch business I am surprised that you were willing to shell out £250.
It shows UA-camrs are not to be relied on 😂
Hello Top Tier Ticker,
Brian here from Panther Watch Co. I am sorry that you feel you over paid for your watch. The link you found was an old link from a few years ago. The current price for the watch is 250 GBP.
It's a great price for a very solid watch with top end specs. The original run was 100 pieces. There are now only 6 pieces remaining. I thought I might move the last of them at the show to pay towards travel expenses etc.
I wish you had simply come to talk with me about any concerns, I would have happily given you the difference in price on the spot. That offer still stands as I would hate to think you feel you have not had a great deal. I am a watch enthusiast myself and created the watches to scratch that itch of making my own watch. If you prefer to return the watch, I am more than happy to send you a refund.
I can assure you no scam was intended and I stand by the quality of the watch you bought.
I will email you via your website so you can let me know if you would like the difference or a full refund.
Kind regards
Brian
Hello Brian,
I don't feel like I overpaid for the watch, the watch was worth £250 at the POS. It was a bit funny that the watch was on sale at an 'event special price', even though you were selling it for cheaper online.
The 'scammed' feelings come through the tactics you used to sell the watch to me. You mentioned that 'Max Van Brauge' had a hand in the making of these watches, but I don't believe that to be true. I believe that these watches are a little side project by yourself, which is completely fine. And if that was told to me when buying the watch, I absolutely would've still purchased the watch and none of this would've happened. I actually would've thought that was even cooler.
The watch itself is actually fairly decent, and the case is super nice. It's just a shame the way you went about selling them.
As for the money, keep it for your travel expenses.
The eBay listing still shows that you have 20 available for sale, even though you have bumped up the price to £250 now. So I'd advise changing your stock levels on the listing to avoid any more future disappointment.
Best,
Kieron
Top Tier Ticker
@@TopTierTicker Thanks for being a Gentleman about this. To confirm you are right, Panther watches have nothing to do with Van Brauge Watch Company, perhaps you could mention this in your next post? Unsurprisingly they will not be working with me again in the future. But lessons learnt. Regards Brian
What ? A limited edition watch from an unknown firm but it is available for one day only ? lol
Look at it this way - you were happy to pay £250 at the time, so that is what it is worth (to you)
This isn’t a scam, a bit dishonest maybe but not a scam. The guy offered you a watch and you purchased a watch. You could have Googled it when you were going the ATM. Also there are loads of things which are more expensive in person than you can find online.
Low Tier Thinker...typical leftists voter 😂. Nevertheless, I like the Chanel and hope he gets his revenge or money back
I was absolutely a scam. He lied, both about who makes it and about it being a limited edition for the event. He also provided a false receipt. Inducing the person to a false perception of reality is the definition of a scam.
Or maybe you like calling it "fraud" better, which it was.
@@RodrigoBarbosaBR Exactly. It was definitely a scam, aka fraud.
Hmm, I guess we found the dodge seller.
This nerd watch collector is a loser crying about 250 quid
If only there was a device which would make real-time research possible... 😂
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Authorized dealers are more of a scam. A Blancpain AD wanted $9500 for Bathyscape on NATO, got the same watch on Jomashop 2 months ago for $7100. Also Got a new Omega Denim Railmaster on Joma for $2800. Both original boxes, paperwork. I don’t recommend NATO on Bathyscape as lugs don’t turn down. Also Blancpain uses pressure pins instead of regular pins, Blancpain pins require special tools to change as I broke end of one pin trying to remove and partially embedded inside watch. But quick release pins still work fine.
You weren't scammed, you learnt two valuable life lessons:
1) Caveat emptor.
2) Cognitive bias: expediency bias, a tendency to rush decisions.
It was a scam aka fraud aka fraudulent commercial practice:
He lied about who made the watch, being a limited edition specially made for this event (false advertisement), and he provided a false receipt.
At least you didn't come back with magic beans....🏴⌚🏴⌚
The guy likely had higher costs incurred in having his business pay to attend this event. This is why he sold it to you at a higher price. However, he did mislead you in the way that it was sold. Just enjoy it. Its a nice and unique watch regardless.
nice and unique is very debatable here 😂 but i do applaud your positivity. We need more people like you 20thcenturyboy.
Next time, check the web whilst walking to the cashmachine 😅
I will in the future, which is rather sad. You'd think that you can trust a professional, but guess not
Sorry you got taken. When he first showed you the watch did he pull up the sleeve of his rain coat and display 20 watches on his arm ?
Also you have a smart phone, GOOGLE the name and brand and see if there’s any Intel before purchasing
He didn’t scam you. He saw a sucker in you, which obviously you are.
So scammers don't target suckers??? Wtf are u trying to say sis?
Nice response!!!!!! A bit of empathy might’ve been nice!
Something obviously you are not ! 🤷🏻♂️
Should have done some research before purchasing buyer beware ! He took you for a mug however the upside to this purchase is you have learnt what could have been a very expensive lesson.
Now you should better check the movement inside.
Did you crack it open and make sure the movement is correct? I agree that it's not a scam, just salesmanship that got the best of you.
Was great to meet you my friend!! Can’t believe you anted a poor looking Bremont to start with!!!??;) all the best
Pleasure to meet you Russel, hope you had a good time at the event! Looked like you were being dragged from pillar to post 😆 Keep well!
If you liked the watch, felt the money worth it, than what is the problem? Never watch prices after you bought something
The watch is alright, the case is nice... But the movement is a basic Miyota without hacking seconds. Wasn't really checking price, just checking the credibility. I'm glad I did too!
Here’s my advice ….. Never buy anything in a rush except toilet paper. If something looks too good to be true it usually is. 😂😂😂😂 Just like these guys selling green and gold Daytona Rolex’s saying because they are discontinued they are worth over £100,000 when you can buy them today for £50,000. Buy a watch because you love its look and if its £5 or £50000 enjoy it
the " PANTHER WATCH " illegal in 9 different countries! but it works 60% of the time ,works EVERYTIME , lol
I'm sorry but this was in no way a scam. You just fell for the age-old sales technique that EVERY company has used at one time or another. Make something seem more attractive by saying it's limited and time is of the essence. Everyone from Tesco to Tudor does it. It might be misleading but it's not illegal. He didn't give you an empty box on a bag - you got the watch you saw. You didn't buy it because it was limited, you bought it because you liked the look of it. Scammers are people who phone up old people and get them to transfer their pensions to a 'more lucrative' scheme and then run off with the money. Sounds to me like you are trying to cover up your naivety by pouring scorn on a salesman. Call yourself a watch dealer? I think you need to learn a few lessons about business, marketing, sales and getting a proper VAT receipt because that scribbled not will never be accepted by HMRC!
And just to add more to this, on your website you advertise a Fortis watch from the 80s that you market as something for the collector that is "completely unique that NO ONE else will have.". How do you know this for sure? How rare is this, can you say there are only 5, 50, 500 or 5000 of these left? I don't think you can, so aren't you equally at fault of 'creative marketing' in the same way the seller at the show was?
I'd like to be a fan of Yema, but quality control has been a major issue in my experience. To their credit, their customer service has been very good.
You buy a watch from an unknown guy without any research, than you find out hours later it’s a scam and you call yourself a “watch guy”?! And you run a business? Hum…
I recently bought a Casio F91W at a local shop for $22. Later, I looked online and found one for sale for $17. Total scam! I am reporting the local shop to the business license board, the town newspaper, the tv stations and posting flyers outside the shop, doing everything in my power to destroy this shop and the owners life and make sure he never scams anybody every again.
The difference between shop and İnternet is kind of normal
Getting “scammed” into buying a watch IS NOT the same as getting “scammed”, your money is yours to buy whatever you think is worthy
BTW i love YEMA too, but do they have any for a large wrist size??
You actually got off cheap. You only paid 50 pounds more for an education. It could have been a lot worse.
My wife and I won a Lamborghini and the first shop we used to wrap the car tried to steal it from us. We don’t even drive the car any longer as the guy put us through absolute misery just to get the car back and we were trying to use it for children’s events…. It doesn’t matter if it’s a $50 item or a car, getting scammed leaves a memory on whatever item it is that you purchased that can’t be forgotten.
Are you disappointed with the watch though? at the end of the day if you like the watch and it brings back the memory of a great weekend you shouldn’t care of you over paid $100 and don’t focus on the negatives it may cloud your good memories of the weekend.
The watch is fine, I don't actually mind the £100 difference, it's more so the lies of a fellow 'enthusiast'
Props for coming out and telling us this. Hopefully the van braug brand hears this and does something about it.
It's a Chinese made Miyota/Citizen movement watch costing about 100 ish on Ali. Which is probably what he paid for it. He's a retailer so he doubled the price to cover his overheads just like any high street jeweller does. You were a mug for falling for the sales BS but you weren't scammed. Look at the price of Miyota/Citizen movement watches in your local jewellers window. You basically got a Citizen with a nice case for 250. Stop complaining.
Scam? I don't think so. The seller was very smart. Sell watches at a higher than average price to vulnerable, over excited, people at a whacky watch event. It's up to the buyer to do their homework before buying anything. Especially a brand of watch that you've never heard of. I'd be mad and make a video about how I screwed up also.
BTW, I can sell you Big Ben if you're interested. I usually sell it for 250 pounds but for you..... 200. Deal?
😂
Well, £250 for a watch like that is hardly a disaster and in my opinion a cheap lesson to teach you that don’t believe everything a “clever” sales person says… I think most of us has done mistakes like this.
Yeah. Thats a copy of a Bremont watch case. Not even trying to hide it.
Don’t think you got scammed, you just got caught up in the moment, every salesman has a (sales) pitch! That’s life, just enjoy your watch 👍
I wouldnt call it a scam, if I get a watch cheaper online than with an AD, is that also a scam? Are the second hand prices on Rolex a scam? You overpaid, 50£, and you learned something, and I gotta say, its not a bad looking watch, I can see why you liked it, enjoy it and now you have an awesome story to ho with it, thats a real talking piece.
Why did he charge you more etc etc.... He looked at your face and saw an easy mark.
Unfortunately true!
@@TopTierTicker Next time wear sun spectacles.
Van Brague are guilty by association. Get the word out and they'll have to sort it or risk bad PR.
I'm pretty sure that they'd know nothing about it. And I wouldn't want to bring them any negative PR, hence when I say that they are likely not involved. Just a shady character taking advantage of enthusiasts.
@@TopTierTicker But if he's there representing the brand they need to know about it. They also need to do due diligence when hiring people.
The watch you bought is no basic looking. I’ve seen watches like that for £20
They are still available on ebay but they have gone up to £250. Currently the listing shows more than 10 available.
Hardly a scam, you over paid, get over it……
You paid more for the "beautique" experience, c'mon
You over 18 and you “know” the watch game and yet you can’t use your phone to check the price and availability before buying …. And you say you a northerner … tsk tsk ..
As a northerner you should have researched before you bought ..something you should always do before you buy anything...enjoyed the vlog cheers.
I've worked county fair ground shows in a couple of states. Don't go to a show thinking the pricing overall will be cheaper than other outlets. Vendors/retailers at the show have a high overhead cost making discounts rather unlikely. Deals could be had on used and bulk purchases at times.
Other times the product is unique/new, the product is sold to jobbers/salesmen initially because it's the cheapest means of distribution. Later, depending on results, the product is advertised nationally, this exposure is important to resellers and end consumers. The product has to be sold to the resellers first before the end consumer. A successful product becomes widely available and eventually sales at many retailers at a substantially lower price than the show because like many a product, volume has everything to do with unit pricing.
I would imagine most products fail. Such a product will likely be dumped onto the market by a limited number of resellers, depending on volume available.
Possibly, the watch purchased falls within the realm somewhere as described.
Inform Paul Thorpe about this he is the Scotland Yard of the watch community
It's still a cool watch.
The case is awesome.
You may have overpaid 80 bucks.
Jeezlouise. 🙄
It's not the over payment, it's the deception...
@@TopTierTicker That's why you should only buy watches because you love the design, not for the brand name.
With respect, I wouldn't really say you were scammed. Poor sales ethics but you agreed a price and received a watch. Next time do your research before agreeing to the purchase. Kind of feel you've made some pretty rookie errors here, especially when it comes to no-name brands.
Good video, anyway. Best of luck with future vids.
That's a fair observation, and yes I agree. Rookie mistakes, won't happen again! Cheers, all the best!
Sorry for your luck. Takes a lot of guts for you to admit it. These scheissters had to pay to exhibit at the show, and they would likely attempt to justify the higher price to cover their show expenses. But nothing excuses them from their BIG LIE. Hope you continue exposing them!
I understand the feeling of being scammed in heat of the moment FOMO foma but absent the trickery do you feel the watch is worth what you paid in terms of materials, design, and quality? Or is it really a rubbish watch? Glad you otherwise enjoyed the event. This will be one of those tales to share over a pint in the future.
Quality is alright, nothing special though. And the Miyota doesn't feature hacking seconds, so it's the most basic automatic movement available...
Oh well at least you avoided the machete merchants at the cashpoint. That’s a result these days in London.
also he asked for 250, thats when you barter a price...
He'll sell it on his website for just 250 pounds...😂
Recently got scammed with a fake Casio… don’t ya just hate it!!! 🤬🤬🤬🤣🤣🤣
You didn't get scammed.. you didn't do your homework
It was a bit of both.
the extra £50 on top was for his taxi fare and the story he told you lol
I am sorry for the unfortunate event. These things really piss me off. Thank you for informing the public about these kinds of dishonest attitudes...
I'd say it's an apt memento of a visit to the Isle of London, well done.
7 quid a pint and a cheeky little scam.
Glad it wasn't a dodgy Rolex experience
😂😂 8 quid in the pub we went in, also charged me a quid to use the toilet... That's the biggest scam that happened all weekend
Bullshit you paid what you wanted to pay for the watch. £50 mark up from whats on eBay was money well spent to make this video which I suspect was your agenda in the first place.
Couldn’t you Google before buying?
Sorry to hear that. Unfortunately these events attract these types of scammers globally. You learned a valuable lesson and it’s less likely this will happen to you in the future. 🙌🏽
Amen! You live and you learn 🥊
I remember at a recent concert merch guy at table told me one of the cd for sale was imported n rare. I decided to not buy it n went back to my sit and google it. Found it online for like $25 less.
Panther definitely has the look of the shatter.
You live and learn fella, the watch world is full of spivs
How could you think that they made a watch especially for this little London watch fare ?really, design,manufacture...a watch ..for this watch fare, did it have the word London kn it ??.j cang believe your telling us about it.
Looks £25 worth
Scammed? People overpay all the time, just have a look in the high street or the premium watch brands, customers buy the story and the watch, just as you did. I think you got what you payed for.
The price of the watch isn't the issue, as you say, people pay more in person for almost everything. It's the tactics used to sell the watch that is the 'scam'
paid
does the watch work? does the watch have the same specs he said? maybe it's just me but in USA we wouldn't have made a big deal about this, because you didn't pay a grand or something.
I’ve got to say, though, the watch looks pretty good. The date window is a bit awkward but otherwise not bad.
Now that you have told your whole story.. we can consider that this watch is unique.. truly special and any watch with a special story increases in value
I think you can now resell it for double the price! 😀
You paid 250quid for a nice looking watch and a private lesson you'll never forget. It won't be your last time you'll get ripped off but seriously what do you expect when most watches at the show are 10x that plus.
I recommend that you remove the caseback and inspect the movement and test the glass to see if it is indeed sapphire. Unfortunately, knockoffs make buying on the street or at a show, very risky, especially if you have no knowledge of the brand but frankly, even if it's branded with a top tier brand!
I've already tested the glass, it is sapphire. I'll check the movement at some point, but I'm not bothered now, it's done 😁 move on and find some more good watches 😁
Not a scam... Is it a scam that you posted this video stating you got scammed and i cant have my time back? Nope. You bought into a story and a narrative. The watch was a trinket to commemorate the event. It's just the same as buying those cheap boxes or decorative coconut shells on a tropic vacation. It's not a scam if you decide to overpay.
my advice, draw a line and move on.
Absolutely!
All ways do your homework, if you don't you'll have a fail, and they'll all ways be someone smarter than yourself.
I think some people here are missing the scam. The claim it was limited in numbers and to the event only is the scam.
This is creates a urgency that you need to act quickly and can stop most people thinking logically. I personally would get rid of the watch as it will always evoke mixed emotions and if your honest with yourself are you likely to want to wear it now?
By the way like the content 👍
Finally, someone with a brain 😆
Yeah, it'll be leaving very soon. £900 on ebay I reckon 😂😉
Hey welcome to the real world! Everybody one day or another get scammed whether it is in the watch world or elsewhere 😢. Dishonest people are everywhere. Just suck it up and move on. It's just part of life even though it's unpleasant.God forbid how many times I've been scammed and I'm still alive and ticking.
Even before u started your story and showed a pic of the watch I knew I had seen it before. I pretty sure I saw it on Amazon & though oh sales must be different in the UK. Anyhow sorry u got scammed, live and learn and it's a lesson for fellow enthusiasts. 😢
I dont think its a scam! I think we should all be using cash more. Its your ultimate responsibility and I think its a nice watch. Dont buy anything on a whim, do your due diligence before ,not after.
I do absolutely take some responsibility for not doing my due diligence, but I don't think that excusing shady sales tactics is the right thing to do
As always, 'Caveat Emptor' applies.
Did you buy any high end speakers out of a white van on your way home?
It’s London Baby.
Scam starts when you find out ticket prices are +VAT!!
There was no scam... You just paid more than everyone else because you didnt research before buying.
London tax is usually higher
So you work in the watch industry and the first time away from home on business, you buy a watch you’ve never heard of, pay compliantly in cash , then get cold feet. He may be the dealer off eBay who’s gone to the show and inflated his prices because it’s in London. Scammed ? No ! Getting scammed isn’t paying £250 for a £200 EBay watch. You’ve been very naive and perhaps taken for a mug, take it on the chin and learn from it
I've taken the cost on the chin, that doesn't bother me. But there's no excuse for shady business practices, fact.
@@TopTierTicker you are absolutely right, there is no excuse. But that’s not going to stop it, there are always going to be chancers and sharp practice. Let’s face it, you’ll not fall for it again. I bet the “only pay in cash” tickled a self preservation bone and that’s why you looked into it later. Good fortune matey.
That Sinn watch looked like the limited edition Seiko 5 masked rider
I'm pretty sure I've already seen this watch somewhere. Maybe on a Facebook ad
That's not a scam .. that's content! 🤣
Man, this got me thinking that a bad experience can ruin a good watch just as easily as happy memory can elevate a cheap watch! This case is killer, love that crown, classic looking dial with great contrast. But.......the details surrounding kind of town drown that out....
Exactly, however my dad will for sure appreciate the watch for what it is, without the negative story attached to it! So it'll be going to him very soon :)
You wanted a memento of the watch fair... Looks like you got one. You got charged more for the watch, because he saw you coming a mile away....
50 pounds per watch, as entry fee for entry in to Londoner. Its easy to buy online sometimes - lol . crazy experience and sorry for that.
Unfortunate that it was a scam because it’s really not a bad looking watch.
I don’t love the lume numbers but could look past it.
Exactly, I bought it as a keeper, just to hold on to for the future... But then when I started looking into it a little, and unravelled all of this shady business, it's ruined it for me.
I think I'll be giving it to my father anyway, and he'll appreciate it for what it is :)
Thats an Franklin style watch mate😮
This is called business ...due diligence is down to the buyer . This is not a scam it's how life works . Airlines do it every day as do many other things
I don't see how so many people are missing the point with this...
The guy literally lied to me to get the sale. He claimed something that is completely false. He used shady tactics to take my money.
Yes, I do take some of the responsibility, hence why I haven't taken this any further than an interesting video. I'm not looking for revenge or my money back. I accept my mistakes. But to claim that the guy did nothing wrong and 'that's just how life works' is madness.
@@TopTierTicker I cannot believe you are naive enough not to see that this goes on in absolutely everything . Range of electric cars iPhones ( 13 exactly the same as 14 ) watches 316 ss when its 304 delivery drivers and package deliveries. If you think everyone is telling the truth I admire your trust and faith . In any event it was not a huge amount of money and it was a guy exploiting the situation that has happened to me several times . I just smile and think he was smarter than me and I learn . It's not a scam it's a lack of due diligence . It's the world we live in greed that allows it to happen and will allow it to continue ...you thought you were getting a great deal ..you didn't ..not a scam just a deal that was not what you thought . Fact is you trusted him and now you feel betrayed because you were wrong . You just met the guy , years ago integrity was built in .. now it does not exist in most people .
Doing business by cheating and lying is same as theft. Only a dishonest scumbag will think its okay to do business this way. Unfortunate how dishonesty has become a way of doing business. Life doesn't work that way and thankfully such people get karma back in one way or another.
Sadly enough, i really like the watch design. Id buy it if i know it wasnt a scam. reminds me of a maratac
you just got introduced to the grey market.
Bro that sucks... Candy always costs more at a carnival... or so the saying goes... Bro saw you coming sadly. Scammers are a damn plague...
I like that saying, I think it's an American one. I'm going to use it in the future!
@@TopTierTicker 😄👌
I think yaz call that getting tea bagged but as yaz say keep clam and carry on
always do your research before paying for something.... not a great lost, but a great educational video.
Absolutely!
How do you know that there is a miyota movement inside?
Well, the listings on ebay state that it's a Miyota 8000 series, and I can feel the wobbly noisy rotor 😆
There is no Brand 😂😂😂
Chinese Mfg. , drop and ship for a limited number of pieces .
Open the Case-Back and see what’s inside .
1st. Lesson : A lot of Shite Watches around !
2nd. Lesson : An equal # of Sheisters too , me thinks .