Been running Wretched SnB back, charged Rallying inferno front, with 2 trainee, 1 Domihaus, and DDF for a couple months now. Using crushing weapon as my "spamable" with charged and a disease glyph has really helped with the tanker classes in Mara's. Dirtiest combo I've come up with requires ample range, but as long as frag procs off of curse or execute, the combo is curse, execute, light attack frag, then proc crushing weapon on the light attack as it's traveling. Very bursty
most of the builds I have copied have turned out to be garbage. This gave me confidence for your gameplay. I had never used sorc in pvp. I am having fun like a child. what a burst!
Ive been running similar here on ps4 for a while now on a khajit. Bb Wretched. Spinners on body. Asylum inferno staff. 1 heavy trainee reinforced. Sea serpents coil. It smacks. Cant wait for the new update for consoles and try out some stuff.
On video 1:58 table equipped can see maximum health 25232 point, but in moment battles can see 42100 point health. Who different in health. You show one build, but in game other build?
What is the point of having crafty alfiq on only one bar if the max magicka bonus doesn't carry over to the back bar? In pvp I find myself bar swapping very frequently and i dont understand how one could fully utilize it
The cp cyrodiil builds with max mag and max health are both good in IC. Whichever of those you want to use there depends on your own choice based on the differences I highlighted in the end of the video.
Thanks as always for your builds and advice on Sorcs! I'm really enjoying my sorc gameplay right now. But I have a challenge for you.... let's say the new "Daedric Prince of Limited Skills" captures you and drags you to Oblivion. Your only means of escape is to create a Sorc one-bar (Oaken) build for Scribes of Fate. How would you go about building it?? Thanks!
5 pieces crafty alfiq 3 piece ancient grace 2 piece engine guardian and oakensoul. Or change out with 5 pieces spinners and 5 pieces crafty alfiq. Enjoy
The spinners and crafty hits like a truck but your going to rely on hardened wars to stay alive and spamming it often combined with twilight matriarch to get health back. Streak into enemies and spam them both until comfortable and then crystal frags and haunting curse on enemies to bring them down. Use streak as a pre finisher setup as well
I like how you phrased that :D I don't have any such builds myself yet, I might make some videos on it later on, but the other day on stream I fought a decent oakensoul stamsorc that was using mara's balm, relequen and 1pc balorgh. Skills were twilight, vigor, elemental weapon, streak, overload, fragments. Possibly if I were to make a build it might be similar to that.
True, bloodthirsty would be more damage. But I like the bigger shield for survivability, and arcane still gives some damage as well. There's also infused to consider for another sustain boost.
So, basically, magsorc is less worse. You didn't mention force of nature as for offensive CP. Wouldn't it be a valid option since you use status effect a lot for your damage ?
If you were to make a max health sorc build that could last into next patch (with the nerf of mara's), how would you "divide" the weights running draugr/hist? :) 4 light (needed), then 2 heavy, 1 medium or 2 medium, 1 heavy? :) Love the video btw! Would like to have an alternative build to my maxmagsorc build for variation :D
In the video you explain the bar setups, but in the background video you have different skills. What skill is that in slot 5 during the background gameplay? Also theres no Inner Light in the gameplay, what gives?
I play clips of the same builds as I presented in the guide, but not at the same time. So I think you might be looking at a clip of the healthsorc while I'm explaining the max magsorc, and I only have a clip of the max magsorc later in the video. I see that's a little too confusing so I'll keep that into account for the next time.
Yep. Damage instances have a chance to proc status effects. For example, shock damage may proc concussion, which applies minor vulnerability to the enemy. The same way, absorb stamina enchants can proc minor breach on the enemy, which is the so-called "sundered" status effect of physical damage. You can read up more in the last question here: eso-pvp-builds.com/faq/
Bit of a noobie question since I've never really used Overload much in the past, but am trying to improve with it. But is there ever a moment where heavy attacking with it is useful? Even against like, clearing guards at a flag, not just players or w/e. Or just light attack weave overload all the way, whether npc or player?
Which of the 3 builds here is best? I'm thinking I'ma go for the first one and try that out but instead of death dealers I'ma use the mythic from build 2 😂
Eh they're all the same, the second one if for nocp cyro and the other 2 are for cp cyro. My personal preference for the fun factor is the first build with max mag stacking.
@@MalcolM. Thanks for replying mate I didn't think you would but I do appreciate it and the honesty, trying to find a crafter on PSN to craft the wretched set, hey what you think about stamsorc? I've always been magsorc main and for pvp I run sithis plus crafty and spinners.
I switched to Naga Shaman, craftable and has Minor Vitaily and Minor Mending when you activate a shield. Can be back barred and the proc stays when switching bars. And lasts 6 secs and no cooldown
I heard engine guardian was a pretty good set since the automaton can be hit instead of you, meaning that enemies might waste ultis/combos on that while you have a chance to strike back haha
Yes engines pretty good for that and some extra sustain. Thing is if you want to swap out chudan you'll also need to drop a skill for boundless storm which is a big sacrifice. Also engine is best used on top of some decent base sustain because relying on it too much is risky since you might not get the resource you need for a while.
Death dealers requires a group to help you and all my guilds and friends quit. Can this build work with Sithis or Markyn? instead? The max HP one, then, I'd guess.
Getting better at magsorc and moved onto ele weapon on console. It's clunky asf but the beauty of it with stack max mag on front bar with practice you can push 11k to 13k wards in no cp. The way I see it crushing shock guarantee proc heal or ele weapon more control of your burst but can fuck with ppl and get a flat 2.4k shield then combine with hardened ward. Then stack recovery with weapon dmg for vigor and hardened ward. Having a abnormal stqm recovery allows for hardened ward block with psjic passive. Fat ward.
The dk build I have on my website didn't need much updating (and that's been done now), I didn't get to trying the frost magden I released last patch yet to see if it needs updating.
@@troub1e78 So what you're saying is that scathing mage and bsw give more damage? Because in fact they don't give more DMG output than draugrkin, hence why I recommend the latter.
Your build was a huge inspiration for my sorc this patch. I did some tweaking to fit my playstyle but it is so much fun. Crafty frontbar wretched backbar. Monster set slimscraw. Ring of the wild hunt. Main pieces heavy reinforce 4 light and 1 medium piece. I wentb4 light for the pen since I'm using sword and board on back bar since I'm not using major breach. Slimcraw pairs really nice with inner getting 7% max magicka with minor berserk and the almost 40% crit chance on front has boosted my survivability tremendously. I went ring of the wild hunt because I'm having zero sustain issues in no cp so movement speed felt like the best choice opening up for me to run one trait bloodthirsty since I'm not using an execute. Thank you! I always look forward to your mag sorc patch builds.
I ended up changing some things after testing. The current set up is great when you have a healer. Engine guardian when you don't. I tried death dealers and several other mythics but ring of the wild hunt performed the best for me. The amount of resources you save for not having to spring and or spam to locations was massive in terms of sustainability.
Have you tested silver shards? I just got to level 31 and I’ve been play testing it in under 50s BG. My worst game has been 10-3 but I’m full bgs build and I doubt anyone else is. I might end up going Oakensoul but I’m not sure. Im gonna try out Torug’s pact and heartland conqueror once I get to 50.
It wouldn't be a better spammable than crushing shock on these builds. Oakensoul is difficult on magsorc due to the amount of auxillary skills it needs, it won't get you much further than low MMR bgs and some zerging.
You can get away with running whatever skills you want in u50 bgs if you got gear anywhere near your own level you can low effort 1v8 with puncture as a spammable if you really wanted
Thanks! I do mention draugrkin as another frontbar set option for the first build, and I showed it as straight up necessary for the second build though.
If you don't have any mythic I recommend changing out that slot to a second piece trainee on max mag builds or a one piece druids braid on max health builds.
@MalcolM it's based off your last couple of videos either you can 1vx a full group or sorc is bad now it's got a buff to shields and your saying it's not horrible lol
@Dank Vader at the end of the day you have a class that far exceeds some classes single target damage but has less survivability either all classes have thier own identity or none will asking for a class to be able to run around solo and wipe groups and complaining cause you die in a 1v8 isn't healthy for the game cause groups of people will be able to use the stuff your asking for to a higher degree
Great video, altho magsorc is still on the lowest meta tier, compared to dk or warden a magsorc stands no chance sadly. Zoz reaaally need to do something about it, magsorc is fun, but not so much when it gets obliterated so easily.
Thanks for the build but PLEASE add a proper champion points guide, the current one basically requires me to look all of them up to find them in their respective constellations.
Well i came back after a year break and now im quitting again. I just had a bg where 2 DKs got 3mil damage EACH.... To my 1 mil. I main magsorc pvp, its all i do. PvP sucks because there is no chance of winning. Im so done with this game. I hate this game..... I wish i had my time back that i wasted grinding worthless sets. I cant even hurt DKs... Ive tried EVERYTHING. I focused on nothing but spell damage, spell pen, and magicka. I cant get any more damage then what i have mathematically. PvP 2 years ago was amazing. Now its pure trash. ive never been more disappointed in an mmo. WoW was never this bad. Tera was never this bad. I challenge ANYONE to use magsorc. See if you can even hit 1.5 mil in a BG let alone 3 fucking million. Not only that i use both of my bars to the fullest. I see DKs not even bar swapping. They use 3 skills and thats it. Fuck this game. I hate it. I fucking really hate it. NEVER coming back.
@@TatewakiGaming Yeah because 7% extra shield health is going to be such a strong motivator to bring me back. Have you seen the patch notes? Its over. GG. If you play on xbox i'll give you all of my stuff. Im seriously not coming back.
Written version: eso-pvp-builds.com/sorcerer/. thanks for watching!
Been running Wretched SnB back, charged Rallying inferno front, with 2 trainee, 1 Domihaus, and DDF for a couple months now. Using crushing weapon as my "spamable" with charged and a disease glyph has really helped with the tanker classes in Mara's. Dirtiest combo I've come up with requires ample range, but as long as frag procs off of curse or execute, the combo is curse, execute, light attack frag, then proc crushing weapon on the light attack as it's traveling. Very bursty
Awesome guide, would expect no less from the Goat.
always good to see your vids
Love the builds. Would love to see a hybrid build video
I have a ranged hybrid build that I released last patch that still works now: ua-cam.com/video/YLmc45MwYvU/v-deo.html
most of the builds I have copied have turned out to be garbage. This gave me confidence for your gameplay. I had never used sorc in pvp. I am having fun like a child. what a burst!
You sound like a Nord, I like it.
Awesome guide!
Wonderful as always. What did you do to make your game look so incredible? Any settings advice or is it reshade?
It’s reshade! Malcolm is using a custom shader:)
Your game looks gorgeous. Finally, sorc is getting some improvements. But still, there is a long way to go.
Thanks! Yeah it only took like half a year for a buff lmao
@@MalcolM. XD
@@MalcolM.It's actually an year
Ive been running similar here on ps4 for a while now on a khajit. Bb Wretched. Spinners on body. Asylum inferno staff. 1 heavy trainee reinforced. Sea serpents coil. It smacks.
Cant wait for the new update for consoles and try out some stuff.
On video 1:58 table equipped can see maximum health 25232 point, but in moment battles can see 42100 point health. Who different in health. You show one build, but in game other build?
What is the point of having crafty alfiq on only one bar if the max magicka bonus doesn't carry over to the back bar? In pvp I find myself bar swapping very frequently and i dont understand how one could fully utilize it
Which build you recommend for Imperial City
The cp cyrodiil builds with max mag and max health are both good in IC. Whichever of those you want to use there depends on your own choice based on the differences I highlighted in the end of the video.
Thanks as always for your builds and advice on Sorcs! I'm really enjoying my sorc gameplay right now. But I have a challenge for you.... let's say the new "Daedric Prince of Limited Skills" captures you and drags you to Oblivion. Your only means of escape is to create a Sorc one-bar (Oaken) build for Scribes of Fate. How would you go about building it?? Thanks!
5 pieces crafty alfiq 3 piece ancient grace 2 piece engine guardian and oakensoul. Or change out with 5 pieces spinners and 5 pieces crafty alfiq. Enjoy
Or change 3 piece ancient grace with 3 piece willpower.
The spinners and crafty hits like a truck but your going to rely on hardened wars to stay alive and spamming it often combined with twilight matriarch to get health back. Streak into enemies and spam them both until comfortable and then crystal frags and haunting curse on enemies to bring them down. Use streak as a pre finisher setup as well
I like how you phrased that :D
I don't have any such builds myself yet, I might make some videos on it later on, but the other day on stream I fought a decent oakensoul stamsorc that was using mara's balm, relequen and 1pc balorgh. Skills were twilight, vigor, elemental weapon, streak, overload, fragments. Possibly if I were to make a build it might be similar to that.
@@xD3m0nx Thanks for your thoughts and advice on this!
COuld I use Way of the Fire and Wretched Vital? instead f Crafty's?
U think arcane over bloodthirsty on the first build? I feel like the dmg from blood thirsty is too big to drop?
True, bloodthirsty would be more damage. But I like the bigger shield for survivability, and arcane still gives some damage as well. There's also infused to consider for another sustain boost.
It shows in the battlegrounds gameplay that you have 40k health. How?
So, basically, magsorc is less worse.
You didn't mention force of nature as for offensive CP. Wouldn't it be a valid option since you use status effect a lot for your damage ?
Force of nature is decent in this build so it's worth a try, I'd just say the other cps that I've slotted are slightly more stat dense.
If you were to make a max health sorc build that could last into next patch (with the nerf of mara's), how would you "divide" the weights running draugr/hist? :) 4 light (needed), then 2 heavy, 1 medium or 2 medium, 1 heavy? :) Love the video btw! Would like to have an alternative build to my maxmagsorc build for variation :D
I replaced Maras with Naga Shaman. Minor Mending and Minor Vitality after activating my shield every 6 seconds works very well. And can be back barred
Can I use this build with asylum perfected inferno staff?
what would you run for duels?
Something with pets and master ice staff probably. I don't duel though, I find it a waste of time.
In the video you explain the bar setups, but in the background video you have different skills. What skill is that in slot 5 during the background gameplay? Also theres no Inner Light in the gameplay, what gives?
I play clips of the same builds as I presented in the guide, but not at the same time. So I think you might be looking at a clip of the healthsorc while I'm explaining the max magsorc, and I only have a clip of the max magsorc later in the video. I see that's a little too confusing so I'll keep that into account for the next time.
I don’t understand. You’re saying that running a charged absorb stam enchant applies minor breach to the enemy?
Yep. Damage instances have a chance to proc status effects. For example, shock damage may proc concussion, which applies minor vulnerability to the enemy. The same way, absorb stamina enchants can proc minor breach on the enemy, which is the so-called "sundered" status effect of physical damage. You can read up more in the last question here: eso-pvp-builds.com/faq/
Which do you think is best magsorc or stamsorc?
Welcome back!! I am so happy to see magsorc playable again! Is death dealer a must? Any alternative ?
Thanks! Ddf is the best, but good alternatives are torc of tonal constance and markyn majesty
Shall I exclude Tri Focus Passive for this build?
Yes
@@MalcolM. Thanks
Bit of a noobie question since I've never really used Overload much in the past, but am trying to improve with it. But is there ever a moment where heavy attacking with it is useful? Even against like, clearing guards at a flag, not just players or w/e. Or just light attack weave overload all the way, whether npc or player?
Heavy attack is basically never used, save for some niche ganking builds and the occasional heavy attack build.
Do you know if the old build you had for firesong is still good? I like the Asylum's staff
I think it'll still work but the newer builds will be better.
Hey trying to get death dealers fete, do I have to be in cyrodil to get it or can I do battlegrounds?
Both should give rotw, so both should work.
Which of the 3 builds here is best? I'm thinking I'ma go for the first one and try that out but instead of death dealers I'ma use the mythic from build 2 😂
Eh they're all the same, the second one if for nocp cyro and the other 2 are for cp cyro. My personal preference for the fun factor is the first build with max mag stacking.
@@MalcolM. Thanks for replying mate I didn't think you would but I do appreciate it and the honesty, trying to find a crafter on PSN to craft the wretched set, hey what you think about stamsorc? I've always been magsorc main and for pvp I run sithis plus crafty and spinners.
Do you have any other suggestions for defensive sets besides maras balm? It wont be as good in Necrom
I switched to Naga Shaman, craftable and has Minor Vitaily and Minor Mending when you activate a shield. Can be back barred and the proc stays when switching bars. And lasts 6 secs and no cooldown
@@kyr0n___yo that is a great idea damn I forgot all about that set hell yeah. Big brain af thank you
I heard engine guardian was a pretty good set since the automaton can be hit instead of you, meaning that enemies might waste ultis/combos on that while you have a chance to strike back haha
Yes engines pretty good for that and some extra sustain. Thing is if you want to swap out chudan you'll also need to drop a skill for boundless storm which is a big sacrifice. Also engine is best used on top of some decent base sustain because relying on it too much is risky since you might not get the resource you need for a while.
Death dealers requires a group to help you and all my guilds and friends quit. Can this build work with Sithis or Markyn? instead? The max HP one, then, I'd guess.
Getting better at magsorc and moved onto ele weapon on console. It's clunky asf but the beauty of it with stack max mag on front bar with practice you can push 11k to 13k wards in no cp. The way I see it crushing shock guarantee proc heal or ele weapon more control of your burst but can fuck with ppl and get a flat 2.4k shield then combine with hardened ward. Then stack recovery with weapon dmg for vigor and hardened ward. Having a abnormal stqm recovery allows for hardened ward block with psjic passive. Fat ward.
any plans on making a up to date hybrid dk build or mag warden build with gameplay?
The dk build I have on my website didn't need much updating (and that's been done now), I didn't get to trying the frost magden I released last patch yet to see if it needs updating.
hey malcolm, do you think snake in the stars would perform better or equally to draugrkin?
Draugrkin is the best damage set for sorc, but you could also simply try swapping it out for this and see how it goes.
@@MalcolM. why u think that draugrkin is the best set if something like scathing mage or even bsw can give u more dmg at all?
@@troub1e78 So what you're saying is that scathing mage and bsw give more damage? Because in fact they don't give more DMG output than draugrkin, hence why I recommend the latter.
Your build was a huge inspiration for my sorc this patch. I did some tweaking to fit my playstyle but it is so much fun. Crafty frontbar wretched backbar. Monster set slimscraw. Ring of the wild hunt. Main pieces heavy reinforce 4 light and 1 medium piece. I wentb4 light for the pen since I'm using sword and board on back bar since I'm not using major breach. Slimcraw pairs really nice with inner getting 7% max magicka with minor berserk and the almost 40% crit chance on front has boosted my survivability tremendously. I went ring of the wild hunt because I'm having zero sustain issues in no cp so movement speed felt like the best choice opening up for me to run one trait bloodthirsty since I'm not using an execute. Thank you! I always look forward to your mag sorc patch builds.
I ended up changing some things after testing. The current set up is great when you have a healer. Engine guardian when you don't. I tried death dealers and several other mythics but ring of the wild hunt performed the best for me. The amount of resources you save for not having to spring and or spam to locations was massive in terms of sustainability.
Have you tested silver shards? I just got to level 31 and I’ve been play testing it in under 50s BG. My worst game has been 10-3 but I’m full bgs build and I doubt anyone else is.
I might end up going Oakensoul but I’m not sure. Im gonna try out Torug’s pact and heartland conqueror once I get to 50.
It wouldn't be a better spammable than crushing shock on these builds. Oakensoul is difficult on magsorc due to the amount of auxillary skills it needs, it won't get you much further than low MMR bgs and some zerging.
You can get away with running whatever skills you want in u50 bgs if you got gear anywhere near your own level you can low effort 1v8 with puncture as a spammable if you really wanted
Love the gameplay....but noticed on alot of these clips...i see a Rallying Cry Proc on crit heals....kind of misleading.
Can you show me a timestamp where this happens?
how do you have so much health with no points into it
Trainee, ddf, undaunted passives, chudan and heavy armor passives are what gives me 30k health on the max mag build
damn, what shader are you using?
It’s custom:)
Do you have any mage builds for lvl 50?
no
Any alternative monster sets?
You could try 1pc magma + 1pc thirsk and slot boundless storm instead of elemental drain
Great review and builds! As always. It's a pity that this time my favorite Draugrkin's Grip didn't find its place(
Thanks! I do mention draugrkin as another frontbar set option for the first build, and I showed it as straight up necessary for the second build though.
What mouse u use
curious question
roccat kova ambidextrous
Can you post a build for us who don't have a mythic please?
If you don't have any mythic I recommend changing out that slot to a second piece trainee on max mag builds or a one piece druids braid on max health builds.
@@MalcolM. Thanks bro
Don’t have DDF or serpents nor the time to farm them😢
Would you recommend any other mythics? Or are these critical.. I have all the others
Markyn ring of majesty
Markyn and torc are decent
Vamp or Not?
Always vamp in pvp
@@MalcolM. thx ❤️
So the sorc either can tank and kill a zerg solo on a basic build or it's garbage is what your saying?
not sure where that came from
@MalcolM it's based off your last couple of videos either you can 1vx a full group or sorc is bad now it's got a buff to shields and your saying it's not horrible lol
The subclass is still bad compared to others, just less so because of the hardened ward buff.
@Dank Vader at the end of the day you have a class that far exceeds some classes single target damage but has less survivability either all classes have thier own identity or none will asking for a class to be able to run around solo and wipe groups and complaining cause you die in a 1v8 isn't healthy for the game cause groups of people will be able to use the stuff your asking for to a higher degree
@@rhinosblades4205 I dont think magsorcs was complaining about dying in 1v8s when they cant even survive in 1v1s.
Great video, altho magsorc is still on the lowest meta tier, compared to dk or warden a magsorc stands no chance sadly. Zoz reaaally need to do something about it, magsorc is fun, but not so much when it gets obliterated so easily.
True that
Decent.
Decent comment.
@@MalcolM. Decent reply.
Thanks for the build but PLEASE add a proper champion points guide, the current one basically requires me to look all of them up to find them in their respective constellations.
first :)
Well i came back after a year break and now im quitting again.
I just had a bg where 2 DKs got 3mil damage EACH.... To my 1 mil.
I main magsorc pvp, its all i do. PvP sucks because there is no chance of winning. Im so done with this game. I hate this game..... I wish i had my time back that i wasted grinding worthless sets.
I cant even hurt DKs... Ive tried EVERYTHING. I focused on nothing but spell damage, spell pen, and magicka. I cant get any more damage then what i have mathematically.
PvP 2 years ago was amazing. Now its pure trash. ive never been more disappointed in an mmo. WoW was never this bad. Tera was never this bad.
I challenge ANYONE to use magsorc. See if you can even hit 1.5 mil in a BG let alone 3 fucking million. Not only that i use both of my bars to the fullest. I see DKs not even bar swapping. They use 3 skills and thats it.
Fuck this game. I hate it. I fucking really hate it. NEVER coming back.
See you next patch.
true
@@TatewakiGaming Yeah because 7% extra shield health is going to be such a strong motivator to bring me back.
Have you seen the patch notes?
Its over. GG. If you play on xbox i'll give you all of my stuff. Im seriously not coming back.
@@duckyoutube6318 I play on Xbox NA
@@pond7331 whats your gamertag and we can meet up