what an excellent photographic technique to show boring tools in action. Not only that but the tool is impressive for not wearing out on all those interrupted cuts.
Outstanding finish, considering interrupted cutting... I can only imagine how well these cutters would perform on a non-interrupted cutting... Great video!!
I am a machinist with over 20 years experience in CNC milling and Turning. I can tell you that this video as cool as it looks have no practical use in real life. There are numerous problem I can pinpoint with the most common problem in machining deep grooves. That is chip evacuation. The reason that one can't see this problems in the video is simply due to the fact they are machining a half part. I don't want to take away anything from PH-Horn, I use their tools often and they are top notch. This video however does not reflect real life application of their tools. How often one has to machine a half part. As far as some people asking why the part spins faster as the tool goes farther towards the center, it is called CSS = constant surface speed the formula for it is (SFM X 12) / (PI X Diameter) In a fanuc controlled cnc lathe one can program CSS with just a G96 code . I have no idea how they did the camera. My guess is they use some kind of sinc-trick. Also, in the video, they are machining some soft steel with very high machinability rate. I'd love to machine that kind of steel. However I am not that lucky. I have to machine mostly tool steel. M.R. = very low D2, S7,.. . And stainless steels such as 304, 316, 17-4, ... I think I am going to stop here. I rarely comment on videos for I never know when to stop. Thanks.
Level3-RC I have 20+ years experience programing and settiing up all kinds of cnc equipment. Lathe and Mills. Name a machine builder brand chances are I have worked with them. Mori, OKK, YCM, Daewoo, Kitamura, Fanuc Robo, Hwacheon, Kira, and many more. I have worked with up to 5X VMC, and lathes with live tooling y and c axis sub-spindle, tailstock and steady rest., I have been programing all those equipmenint with SmartCam, Mastercam, Siemens NX and lately Edgecam. I also use Solidworks and Inventor for design. I have worked an/or tried tools from hundreds of manufaturers. too many to list. We have at least one new vendor every day giving us new tools to test. I am always open to anything new and/or improve. I have always giving second chances when it comes to tools manufacturing even at the cost of ruining a toolholder. I have had many applications engineers at our place trying to make their tools perform as advertised. I heard all the excuses in the book. This video reminded me of the IMTS shows. Where they have a box ways machine with a 50+ taper spindle being driven by a 60 hp. gear box spindle roughing a big chuck of aluminum. Really well I have a 30 taper 15 hp robodrill that can do the same. The point that I was trying to make is that the biggest problem with any grooving operation is chip evacuation. Especially so when doing it in a hole. even more when the hole is so small as in the video. I am just pointing out that it is too convenient for them to machine a half part for the sake of showing what is going on during the process. I stand by what I said before Those I/D operation are not possible with a full round part. If they wanted to make this credible they should have machine the part completely and then use an end mill to machine half off of it. Now, about your comment, Level 3 company? level 3 certificate? Union shop? I think you are a complete fraud.
Well it does show that they can handle pretty serious interrupted cuts.. I'm guessing it's 1114 or similar, but nothing wrong with that. Nobody does a cutting demo dry with D2, S7 or Inconel. Unless you want to demo tool failure.
Level3-RC Way to represent your business by being rude, and insulting on the internet to some random person over nothing more than comments on a video. Instead of stating what was wrong with his comment you well had nothing to say. Big fail on your part.
+Orlando Abalde Don't forget to mention that most cnc shops has simply placed machines. I bet this machine is a beast with a big ass concrete foundation bolted down and so on. Not to mention tool wear I bet the third part or even the second would look like crap and out of size.
Ok, I love all you folks. Some pretty cool guessing and some mighty debate. We took the video by splitting the part down its centerline. Setup a strobe and timed it to the RPM of the turning. No X-ray, no crazy gimmicks. I just don't want you all to choke each other on what is simply: cool. Glad you enjoy our technology. We're happy to sell the tools:-)
That takes some tough tools to stand up to an interrupted cut like that. These are awesome tools! In my 28 years of CNC lathe experience, these are the toughest tools I've seen to date.
The work piece is traveling at thousands of RPM. The boring tool is feeding up inside of it, cutting a small amount off the walls of the hole. What your seeing here is he got the frames per second in-sync with the rotation of the spindle. The effect is it appears to be stationary. Like a strobe light that is in time with moving object. Very cool stuff.
Very cool, I didn't notice any threading operations though if they did happen the work piece is probably spinning fast enough to make the threads a blur.
That's wild. They're actually varying the lathe RPM in real-time to maintain a fixed SFM cut-rate, even as the tool plunges! Incidentally, it's almost definitely a strobe-o-scope, from the fact that the part appears more or less blurred depending on the spindle RPM. I would guess they're tapping off an encoder on the spindle to get proper synchronization. Assuming the proper signals are made available, it wouldn't be hard to do. You would need a spindle tach anyways for the NC control.
yes sir is it. to maintain surface footage and chip load. I'm a mill man myself, so this is still boring stuff. OD, ID, threader and groove is all you will ever do on a convectional lath. but this is still cool to watch
Hmm. The rotational speed is (audibly) varied to keep cutting speed optimal. That means the exposure needs to be adjusted as well. I don't think it is easily managable to adjust the shutterspeed or frames per second to the rotation, since other electronics inside the camera wouldn't allow that (internal syncing). The only other possibillity is that a strobe light is used that is synced with the rotational speed, to create the stationary illusion.
I think its a Xenon timing light but you applied a reflected mark on turning shaft paralleled to the flat surface for the light sensor instead of using its inductive pick up, we'll see a stop motion effect similar when we applied it for adjusting timing angle on a car...wright ?
althought its only a small diameter and the suface speed isnt that fast even tho its about 3000 revs the fact that its an intermittent cut and it doesnt wear the tool out is good. il have to see if we can get one at work
Not sure about that chipsmcgee. The spindle speed in changing constantly with the changing diameter of the work piece, this is to maintain the correct surface cutting speed for the tool. You can hear it ramping up and down. I don't think he could keep the camera in syc with this.
Would like to see same part run without the cut away. How well is the chip evacuation with the whole diameter intact? Is this being filmed with a high speed camera or something?
they use a piezoelectric sensor that feels the amount of unbalance and the position of it that way the strobe can be firing when needed no matter the spindle speed
I can think of at least one way to sync it up, possibly three if lots of processing power or an output from the machine is available. Otherwise? Bounce a frickin' laser beam off the half-cut surface, trigger the strobe when it hits a sensor. You don't really have to match the fps, if the exposure is long enough and the strobe the only light source.
I figured that was a given. a xenon tube connected to a circuit that's only closed when the spindle is within a specific range...dammit now I want to make one.
Thanks for the 20 bucks buddy , I bet my son 20 bucks that some poor fool out there would surmise that I actually believe they were using an X-RAY LENS . I mean c'mon ! Again thanks for the 20 BUCKS PS I still don' t know what a part like this is used for .
I do not think this is a time lapse at all, but rather a playful way of utilizing the Nyquist sampling theorem. This does how ever imply the second thing you say, the camera takes a picture for a fixed number whole revolutions of the work peice, and thus it looks like it is not revolving.
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Jaakko Fagerlund Allah shall make it possible we shall conquer scandinavia soon,the ISIS shall invade your country and we shall take over not only the Cnc productions but your home too,now get used to it and get losttt!
When someone comes here with that mentality or with those initials, he/she/it will be shot and no questions asked. No sympathy for idiots who believe in fairytales and try to make others live by such rules. Quoting a famous song, you get what you ask for.
Hah you really believe that?!, those Christians took over very easy now didnt they.. The power of Allah is 10 fold,so you would not stand any chance there is nothing you can do to prevent your fate,i suggest it is wise you become a muslim,the soldiers of Allah wont be that mercyfull to you,so just learn to accept!. Allah u Akbar! dont forget!
what an excellent photographic technique to show boring tools in action. Not only that but the tool is impressive for not wearing out on all those interrupted cuts.
Outstanding finish, considering interrupted cutting... I can only imagine how well these cutters would perform on a non-interrupted cutting... Great video!!
I am a machinist with over 20 years experience in CNC milling and Turning. I can tell you that this video as cool as it looks have no practical use in real life. There are numerous problem I can pinpoint with the most common problem in machining deep grooves. That is chip evacuation. The reason that one can't see this problems in the video is simply due to the fact they are machining a half part. I don't want to take away anything from PH-Horn, I use their tools often and they are top notch. This video however does not reflect real life application of their tools. How often one has to machine a half part. As far as some people asking why the part spins faster as the tool goes farther towards the center, it is called CSS = constant surface speed the formula for it is (SFM X 12) / (PI X Diameter) In a fanuc controlled cnc lathe one can program CSS with just a G96 code . I have no idea how they did the camera. My guess is they use some kind of sinc-trick. Also, in the video, they are machining some soft steel with very high machinability rate. I'd love to machine that kind of steel. However I am not that lucky. I have to machine mostly tool steel. M.R. = very low D2, S7,.. . And stainless steels such as 304, 316, 17-4, ... I think I am going to stop here. I rarely comment on videos for I never know when to stop. Thanks.
Level3-RC Care to elaborate? or you just like insulting people? Get a life !
Level3-RC I have 20+ years experience programing and settiing up all kinds of cnc equipment. Lathe and Mills. Name a machine builder brand chances are I have worked with them. Mori, OKK, YCM, Daewoo, Kitamura, Fanuc Robo,
Hwacheon, Kira, and many more. I have worked with up to 5X VMC, and lathes with live tooling y and c axis sub-spindle, tailstock and steady rest., I have been programing all those equipmenint with SmartCam, Mastercam, Siemens NX and lately Edgecam. I also use Solidworks and Inventor for design. I have worked an/or tried tools from hundreds of manufaturers. too many to list. We have at least one new vendor every day giving us new tools to test. I am always open to anything new and/or improve. I have always giving second chances when it comes to tools manufacturing even at the cost of ruining a toolholder. I have had many applications engineers at our place trying to make their tools perform as advertised. I heard all the excuses in the book. This video reminded me of the IMTS shows. Where they have a box ways machine with a 50+ taper spindle being driven by a 60 hp. gear box spindle roughing a big chuck of aluminum. Really well I have a 30 taper 15 hp robodrill that can do the same. The point that I was trying to make is that the biggest problem with any grooving operation is chip evacuation. Especially so when doing it in a hole. even more when the hole is so small as in the video. I am just pointing out that it is too convenient for them to machine a half part for the sake of showing what is going on during the process. I stand by what I said before Those I/D operation are not possible with a full round part. If they wanted to make this credible they should have machine the part completely and then use an end mill to machine half off of it. Now, about your comment, Level 3 company? level 3 certificate? Union shop? I think you are a complete fraud.
Well it does show that they can handle pretty serious interrupted cuts.. I'm guessing it's 1114 or similar, but nothing wrong with that. Nobody does a cutting demo dry with D2, S7 or Inconel. Unless you want to demo tool failure.
Level3-RC Way to represent your business by being rude, and insulting on the internet to some random person over nothing more than comments on a video. Instead of stating what was wrong with his comment you well had nothing to say. Big fail on your part.
+Orlando Abalde Don't forget to mention that most cnc shops has simply placed machines. I bet this machine is a beast with a big ass concrete foundation bolted down and so on.
Not to mention tool wear I bet the third part or even the second would look like crap and out of size.
Ok, I love all you folks. Some pretty cool guessing and some mighty debate. We took the video by splitting the part down its centerline. Setup a strobe and timed it to the RPM of the turning. No X-ray, no crazy gimmicks. I just don't want you all to choke each other on what is simply: cool. Glad you enjoy our technology. We're happy to sell the tools:-)
This is one of the coolest CNC videos i've seen on youtube. I'm surprised the insert didn't break while cutting the half bar.
That takes some tough tools to stand up to an interrupted cut like that. These are awesome tools! In my 28 years of CNC lathe experience, these are the toughest tools I've seen to date.
Yep it is, it is to keep the surface speed of the cutting tool constant. The work piece has to spin faster the closer the tool is to the centre.
IN THE GOOD OLD DAYS THEY MADE ME FILE THAT PART.
The work piece is traveling at thousands of RPM. The boring tool is feeding up inside of it, cutting a small amount off the walls of the hole. What your seeing here is he got the frames per second in-sync with the rotation of the spindle. The effect is it appears to be stationary. Like a strobe light that is in time with moving object. Very cool stuff.
lol at first I thought the tool was just vibrating and going into half a part. I then realized it was strobed time photography. Cool.
I dont run a lathe but its always cool to see metal work
Very cool, I didn't notice any threading operations though if they did happen the work piece is probably spinning fast enough to make the threads a blur.
That's wild.
They're actually varying the lathe RPM in real-time to maintain a fixed SFM cut-rate, even as the tool plunges!
Incidentally, it's almost definitely a strobe-o-scope, from the fact that the part appears more or less blurred depending on the spindle RPM. I would guess they're tapping off an encoder on the spindle to get proper synchronization. Assuming the proper signals are made available, it wouldn't be hard to do.
You would need a spindle tach anyways for the NC control.
yes sir is it. to maintain surface footage and chip load. I'm a mill man myself, so this is still boring stuff. OD, ID, threader and groove is all you will ever do on a convectional lath. but this is still cool to watch
Hmm. The rotational speed is (audibly) varied to keep cutting speed optimal. That means the exposure needs to be adjusted as well. I don't think it is easily managable to adjust the shutterspeed or frames per second to the rotation, since other electronics inside the camera wouldn't allow that (internal syncing). The only other possibillity is that a strobe light is used that is synced with the rotational speed, to create the stationary illusion.
its actually just a half part thats where the strange sound comes from its no messing with strobes or something
That's just freakin cool!
that sound...love
I still think it's a simple strobe, synchronised to the spindle.
It certainly isn't an edit of lots of frames.
wow that looks so awesome
Holy Shit thats some serious machining!!
hold on, strobe light to show the partial view! smart!
I think its a Xenon timing light but you applied a reflected mark on turning shaft paralleled to the flat surface for the light sensor instead of using its inductive pick up, we'll see a stop motion effect similar when we applied it for adjusting timing angle on a car...wright ?
I feel like I should be wearing safety glasses while watching these. Oh wait... I am.
althought its only a small diameter and the suface speed isnt that fast even tho its about 3000 revs the fact that its an intermittent cut and it doesnt wear the tool out is good. il have to see if we can get one at work
Not sure about that chipsmcgee. The spindle speed in changing constantly with the changing diameter of the work piece, this is to maintain the correct surface cutting speed for the tool. You can hear it ramping up and down. I don't think he could keep the camera in syc with this.
Incredible
GREAT VIDEO
Would like to see same part run without the cut away. How well is the chip evacuation with the whole diameter intact? Is this being filmed with a high speed camera or something?
Because you can see the shadow of the other side of the part due to ambient lighting, I'd say he probably is using a strobe.
cool video !!!!
Wow that is awesome. Those parts look really interesting, you can do so much with this machine! I wonder what the precision (tolerance) is? 0.025mm?
very well done!
Faith is letting the machine cut intricate, high tolerance internal profiles without flinching.
the spindle spooling up and down to keep the surface feed rate of the cut constant.
What exactly is being made? Just to show off the tools and machines?
they use a piezoelectric sensor that feels the amount of unbalance and the position of it that way the strobe can be firing when needed no matter the spindle speed
very well done
actually if u mill half the part away then film it normaly, at high speeds you can get the same effect
how this is happening without any relative motion between tool and metal ? it seems like a magic to me
Shutterspeed/FPS set to spindle likely
Wow this is insane....
it must be turning a a ludicrous speed for that to work
sound is hypnotizing
I can think of at least one way to sync it up, possibly three if lots of processing power or an output from the machine is available. Otherwise? Bounce a frickin' laser beam off the half-cut surface, trigger the strobe when it hits a sensor. You don't really have to match the fps, if the exposure is long enough and the strobe the only light source.
haha very nice filming technique
And still cutting round! (a neat radius)
How do they align the phases?
impressionnant tout simplement
I figured that was a given. a xenon tube connected to a circuit that's only closed when the spindle is within a specific range...dammit now I want to make one.
mind you i can see how this could drop out of phase during tool changes without an optical sensor feedback! again sell them tools! good job
very cool
MeasureNow - Tolerances here? What are they to?
Feeds and speeds??? For the first horn tool?
excellent
does time lapse between each frame?
so .. what are those parts used for?
Not sure the audio added to the viewing experience!
hi,,, who can tell me where I can buy online shops this tools and inserts ?
At 5:05 what are the dimensions of that facegroove and what is that tool?
y u do this?
Not actually time lapse. It looks like a synchronised strobe or shutter
like a boss
cool mirco sharpened tools
whats that crying sound?
wow!
I
modern tools are designed to take much more punishment than you might think.
what lathe is that?
This is in fact a steel part.
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this can only be done with aluminum.
А не в разрезе, стружка как, немешает. Ну всмысле выходит не забивается.
Thanks for the 20 bucks buddy , I bet my son 20 bucks that some poor fool out there would surmise that I actually believe they were using an X-RAY LENS . I mean c'mon ! Again thanks for the 20 BUCKS
PS I still don' t know what a part like this is used for .
I do not think this is a time lapse at all, but rather a playful way of utilizing the Nyquist sampling theorem. This does how ever imply the second thing you say, the camera takes a picture for a fixed number whole revolutions of the work peice, and thus it looks like it is not revolving.
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acredito continuado que tenha pessoas altamente qualificadas no Brasil por favor mostre o nosso potencial não sei fazer nada extraordinário nosso país tem e não e pouco somos bos no trabalho que fazemos trabalho honesto honrado diguino aprendendo sempre obrigado
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it's an x-ray lens set at half , you can see it being set to half at 1:35 , jesus christ am I the only smart person on youtube
Yeah... okay. What the frakk is he making... well, half of?
so awesome....
i am confused at what i am watching?!?!?
這根本還要再2次加工..........切硝口都是鐵削.....
This isn't boring though
das nennt man DRILLING!
boring heisst langweilig!
I don't want to sell products I want to fabricate parts in products
looks like steel to me...
Ok.
i think i just had a seizure
4:10
i would stick my hand in there i dont care
boring...
Praize Allah for giving this cnc technology to humanity!
jesus says he did that.praize Jeezus!!!
Jaakko Fagerlund
Allah shall make it possible we shall conquer scandinavia soon,the ISIS shall invade your country and we shall take over not only the Cnc productions but your home too,now get used to it and get losttt!
When someone comes here with that mentality or with those initials, he/she/it will be shot and no questions asked. No sympathy for idiots who believe in fairytales and try to make others live by such rules.
Quoting a famous song, you get what you ask for.
Hah you really believe that?!,
those Christians took over very easy now didnt they..
The power of Allah is 10 fold,so you would not stand any chance
there is nothing you can do to prevent your fate,i suggest it is wise you become a muslim,the soldiers of Allah wont be that mercyfull to you,so just learn to accept!.
Allah u Akbar!
dont forget!
Who cares how it was filmed?
Just awesome!!!