Mazdaspeed 3 Shooting Flames! WOT Box Install
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- Опубліковано 17 лис 2018
- In this video we install the N2MB Racing WOT Box into the Mazdaspeed 3. It allows you to Flat Foot Shift by cutting the Ignition system for an adjustable amount of time, allowing the next gear in the transmission to be synchronized. Keeping the accelerator pedal pressed down while shifting prevents boost pressure from being dumped which increases the vehicles acceleration potential. It can also be used as a Rev limiter using the same method of cutting ignition. This system is recommended when running aux fuel to prevent a lean burn. Enjoy the video! Please like, share, and subscribe :)
Gen 2 MS3 Instructional write up found here:
mazdaspeeds.org/index.php?thr...
N2MB Racing Installation Instructions here:
www.npcompleteperformance.com/...
Check out Tuned By Nishan's video here for further information:
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Mods in this video:
1. DM PCV Plate w/ Dual Vented Cans
2. Cobb Accessport V2 (self tuned)
3. Bfg G-force Comp 2 All Seasons
4. Stratified Guardian Angel V3
5. Full Race Exhaust Manifold
6. Ngk One Step Colder Plugs
7. Corksport Intake Manifold
8. Jbr 88a Rear Motor Mount
9. Jbr 88a Trans Motor Mount
10. Jbr 80a Pass Motor Mount
11. Custom Radiator Ducting
12. Autotech HPFP Internals
13. Eibach Lowering Springs
14. Corksport Injector Seals
15. Oem Gunmetal Wheels
16. Jbr Egr Block Off Plate
17. Cpe Catless Downpipe
18. Cfm Oil Breather Cap
19. Jbr Raider's Air Damn
20. Koni Yellow Shocks
21. Gen 2 Valve Cover
22. Cobb 3 Port Ebcs
23. Fidanza Flywheel
24. Htp Full 3" Intake
25. Bnr S4 V2 Turbo
26. Jbr Under Route
27. Cobb Xle Bpv
28. Cnt Catback
29. Tr8 Fmic
30. Wot Box - Авто та транспорт
Good stuff guys. You do a great job with these videos and keep it entertaining. What I’ll do is link your video in mine so people can see more about the installation aspect. I don’t have the patience for this half of the job lol. JUST REMEMBER: The features that the N2MB WOTBOX offers (such as NLS, Launch Control) via Spark cut are MOTORSPORTS FEATURES. Cutting off the ignition source for 2 Step and No Lift Shifting puts a lot of energy and heat into the exhaust side of the cylinder head and turbocharger in order to help keep boost up between shifts by driving the turbo with energy not consumed during normal combustion (due to unburnt fuel that was not ignited inside the cylinder). If you abuse this feature and use it aimlessly, expect to see significant wear with OEM exhaust valves and exhaust valve lash. It’s not uncommon for the exhaust valve lash to tighten up causing misfires and see bent exhaust valves when you abuse this feature. NLS also puts most turbochargers on their surge limit during a gear change with the boost kept up. In general it introduces a lot of heat to exhaust components that they normally would not be subjected to so just keep that in mind that it is a motorsports function...use it for its intended purpose when you’re “racing” the car. Not just to shoot flames and be the cool guy on the block. Use these functions for when they matter and count and you’ll enjoy it a long time! -Nishan
Sounds good man! Thanks for the info and the awesome work you do :D
Nishan THE GOD!
Making life easier with this installation of the n2mb! You rock guys. Thanks!
Didn’t know I needed this till now. Great video!
8:50, i've had to pull that off so many times. For anyone watching now, start from teh LEFT lol. When you're putting it back in, slide it in to the right. You'll see what I mean.
Good install video getting ready to do it on a Gen 2 those Flames are from just installing that device you have no flames before crazy
Awesome boys always a good day when a new video comes out
Thanks man! Really happy u enjoy our shinanigans :)
Never heard of WOT Box. But I'm in love and want one soo bad. Nice Video as Always !
Thanks man :)
There is a great alternative to the wot box, and it's much cheaper.
Great install video good details
Awesome stuff
That build is insane holy crap
Thank you! There a more impressive ones out there but this one still satisfies haha
Clean install guys, great work!
Thanks a lot;)
I'm about to tackle the hid wiring for mine. It doesn't have HIDs from the factory. But all of the supporting wiring is there minus the harnesses for the motors inside the lights. It even has the harness for the level switch next to the dsc button. So I found some hid headlamp assemblies at the junkyard off a '05 Mazda 3 hatch. Should be a fun project for the day.
I had a WOT Box installed in my Gen 2 MPS (South Africa). The no lift shifts worked perfect, but the "flames" or bangs I had to tune them in. By retarding the timing at the load and RPM the no lift shift occurs, I managed to manipulate the timing and fueling in such a way that I had massive bangs, not only on no-lift shift, but also on launch control, sounded mad. But yeah, as Nishan said, watch those exhaust valves, keep it to racing and it will be awesome ! Good job and video!
Thanks man
You should record a video of you hitting 2step
If y’all are going to do this and are really scared to cut and everything, you could use those connections from hobby lobby that holds the two wire and is crimped to make a connection which requires no cutting the wires, it’s just not very space efficient and it’s recommended to tape it with electrical tape in order to avoid any problems whenever the weather comes down.
But this is basically an alternative if you’re new to wiring and have no clue what to do.
Dude you really got a nice ride and put your touch on it. Seems like you know tour ish!
Thanks man! It's all about having fun and being creative with what you've got ;)
Love mazdaspeeds! you got a sub from me
Just got a new sub never knew what a wot box was till now that’s dope wont need it tho still stuck on e85 till I go with meth
just installed mine!! 2008 mazdaspeed 3 flames are massive !! hope we can meet up man !! don't see alot of speed 3 meets anymore
Yeah and loud as hell! Come spring time we see a lot of Mazdaspeed's at Cayuga:)
If all goes well i should be there, just finishing up bottom end. gt3076 turbo and looking for a meth kit and a manifold but man the exhaust manis are super expensive
@@WannabeTuners
That shits a cannon almost blew my speakers 😍
Awesome!
New sub ❤️
Gun shots🔥
Yeah I'm getting ready to buy the
Holy shit. I kind of wish I bought one of these now
"It's not too late... It's never too late" Three days grace lol. It's pretty awesome when u get into the next gear and boost is right there
Awesome videos guys, just watched a few hours worth of your stuff! I noticed that you have the corksport battery box. Does that box give much clearance over the stock box? I want to get one as i have a 3.5 inch intake, and currently have my ecu ghetto mounted onto the fusebox, but dont want to downsize the battery. Cheers, and look forward to watching more of your content!
Different intakes curve differently, so depending which intake you have the CS battery box might need to be trimmed slightly. The HTP 3 inch intake would rub the box so it needed to be trimmed. We recently installed the CS 3.5 inch intake and found that it curves around the box better, but the filter they provide would hit the front clip of the car, so we had to shorten the actual intake by cutting it. You could probably avoid this by installing a shorter filter. You can easily modify the stock battery box to gain more clearance, but it doesn't provide a solid spot to mount the ECU like the CS box. The CS box is also more aesthetically pleasing under the hood. As with anything after market, sometimes modifications need to be made :)
@@WannabeTuners Thanks for the info! I have the aluminium JBR intake which pushes on the stock battery box a little bit, so if the CS has a little more clearance, it shouldn't touch! My main concern is to clean up the ECU, because it does look a bit ugly at the moment. Just need to find a cheaper way to buy it, because $120 delivery to Australia is a bit crap haha
Great video as always dudes!! Can I ask your impressions of the Corsport mani? I was thinking that be next mod.
It's amazing! Flows so much better than stock and fitment is perfect :)
@@WannabeTuners Sweet!!
What area in sauga at u guys from I feel like that looks like the heartland centre lol
Why not find the pinout at ecu for the coil power?
Is it complicated to add the no lift shift with the pops and flames I’m new to this and what are the cons of doing this
It can burn up your exhaust valves, melt catalytic converters, and cause your clutch to slip if it's worn or weak when power kicks back in. Currently my clutch slips at higher power levels so I am only using the WOT box as a Rev limiter
Should get one of Eric Yarbroughs wire tuck kits to make the engine bay even cleaner
Thanks man I'll look into it
Wannabe Tuners yes sir you can find him on Facebook. MAZDASPEED WIRE TUCK
@@ericganger2731 Thanks brother:)
What is that screen next to your dash ? I’ve seen a few of the Mazda’s with these
It's a Cobb Accessport
I know this video is old! But man when I did this with my veloster, there was NO wiring diagram lmao! I had to get them to send me something that’s close and cross reference. Also did not do a clean install hahah but definitely soldered it all.
Haha that's awesome. How's it been working for u?
@@WannabeTuners I actually do not have it anymore! But when I did it was great! Good times man good times. Actually have a vid on my UA-cam of it shooting flames haha. Stock cat that I hollowed out with an mbrp cat back. I recently just picked up a speed3 and that’s why I’m in and out of your UA-cam hahah.
@@robbinnyohood Beauty! Welcome to the platform!
I need this
Did u set the rev limiter to 6700? With wot box like the oem or u changed?
You should only use the WOT box as a rev limiter when running AUX fuel to prevent a lean burn. Otherwise the stock injector cut type rev limiter is fine :)
Would it be pointless to get a Wotbox if I already have a v3 accessport? If not, what additional benefits do I get? Thanks
It really depends on whether u plan to run aux fuel or not. The stock ecu cuts the injectors to act as a rev limiter, and to limit the rpm during a flat foot shift. The problem is that the aux fuel system keeps spraying, which causes the engine to run lean. The wot box eliminates this by cutting the ignition system instead.
Hey guys instead of cutting the wire and soldering it, is possible to use a quick tap or posi tab, right?
You totally could, however a solder joint is much better imo. The quick taps don't protect the electrical connection from the environment like a solder joint with heat shrink does :) Also, soldering penetrates deep into the wiring strands creating better electrical conductivity, and it holds up much better to vibrations and movement that may other wise break the connection
Soooooo how long till it damages the motor?
is this on the stock turbo? i’m on my stock turbo but i’m hood exit currently getting freektuned and he says wotbox is the best way for flames
Haha nice! This is with a BNR S4 turbo
Very clean install great video are you gonna do the 6th port install
We sure are! Stay tuned
Will the rev limiter/launch control give it a two step flame? rev it in neutral and spit flames and bangs
Tbh I'm not sure. But it isn't recommended to abuse the feature as it can cause issues. It's better to use it for it's performance gains :)
Wannabe Tuners Yeah that is true haha, right now I’m running no exhaust it’s really loud I do want flames with a new exhaust I was thinking about doing a flash on my ECU and adding a anti lag map I have onto it
@@AidanDoesGaming Cool man, what is changed in the tune to make it an antilag map?
Hey if anyone ever ask you for a lighter just point to the rear end.
tengo un mazdaspeed 3 se lo quiero poner también
you dont ever need to cut a wire when splicing , only take the protective layer and split the small wires making the one wire to kinda make a hole to get the wire from wot box in and arround , then sauder . NEVER cut when splicing !
Splice is the spice of life!
are yuu on stock clutch with your setup?
It's got a stock clutch disc and pressure plate (not the original) with the Fidanza lightweight flywheel. I absolutely love it!
Did I miss something when installing my wotbox. I don't shoot a flame like yours did. everything seems to be working and I turned off the cobb stuff.
How long do you have the ignition cut set for? I find it shoot flames less when I run it with aux fuel, more so with just direct injection
@Wannabe Tuners it's current set to auto just for testing. I figured if it's still dumping fuel it would shoot a flame. I'm not mad it doesn't just want to be sure I didn't forget anything.
@@kindlestone From what I've read setting to auto is not recommended. I'd start at 300 ms and work your way down. Some have gone as low as 125 ms.
@@kindlestone Also this video will cover a lot of good info: ua-cam.com/video/lJ39lBBrtew/v-deo.html
Any risk of damage occurring to the splice on the end where two wires come out of the heat shrink?
Which splice exactly?
@@WannabeTuners the first one, the blue to gray. I'm just wondering if water can get inside from a gap where two wires come out of the heat shrink.
@@josiahkaufman393 At the ECU harness or the engine side harness?
@@josiahkaufman393 Glue lined heat shrink was used on all soldered splices to prevent water/moisture ingress. The glue lined heat shrink not only protects the splices, but also strengthens them. The only way for damage to occur at this point, is if the wiring and or splices are routed in a way where they are being chaffed against something, or if there isn't enough slack causing excessive tension on the splice. Quality solder, heat shrink, and taking your time go a long way to ensure things last ;)
Hey curious where did u relocate the ecu?
The ECU sits inside the front of the Corksport battery box :)
320 horse power dang man that's pretty good for a 4 banger man I got a stock toyota avalon and it runs a v6 with 268 hurs pur
Like bruh I want my car to hit east 3s or 375 but I don't know if my trans could handle it cause it's automatic 😩
Gotta love forced induction!
isnt there flatfoot in AP?
Right on there eh buddy?
Where did you buy this from? Would his work on a speed 6?
I bought it off of n2mb's website. It will definitely work on an Ms6 :)
@@WannabeTuners are you running auxiliary fueling? I have a Corksport turbo tuned by pd tuning I'm wondering would mine spit the same flames if I am on pump gaz? All I car about is the flames aha🔥
@@vladt6038 Yeah man we recently installed the SP63 6th port aux fuel kit into the car. It really adds a tonne of fueling headroom. Oddly enough the car hasn't been shooting flames with the aux fuel spraying. It was only doing it with the DI system. I'm not sure why but tbh, no flames reduces the risk of damage to the exhaust valves so I'm not necessarily complaining :)
What header is that?!!
Does that Sp63 breather cap work on a gen 1??
From what I remember reading, there is one available on a Gen 1 valve cover which has different threads. Although, it isn't highly recommended since the Gen 1 valve cover does not have a baffle plate. This causes excess oil to spill out into the engine bay. I'd highly recommend just buying a Gen 2 valve cover and run the breather cap for that :)
Okay so I have a question so do you have to shut off ffs and lc on your accessport?
You need to set the FFS rev limiter in the Cobb tune out off reach to like 9000 RPM, or it will interfere by cutting the stock injectors. If running aux fuel, you should also use the WOT box as a rev limiter, by setting the rev limit in the Cobb tune to about 9000 rpm, again out of reach. The link for the video that explains why we do this is in the description :)
Wannabe Tuners I’m running stock fueling as in no aux fuel but I’m still confused as to what you mean by turn the Cobb limiter up to something unreachable sorry for not understanding
@@kcmedia8185 set the WOT Box rev limiter to the rev limit you actually want, then set the Cobb rev limiter to a higher RPM than the WOT Box rev limiter, that way your revs only ever reach the limit set by the WOT Box.
Is the WOT box more effective than the FFS that comes with the cobb accessport? Or are they the same?
The purpose for Flat Foot Shifting or No Lift Shifting is to prevent boost from being dumped in between a shift. Both the Accessport and WOT box cut engine power during a FFS to allow the transmission to synchronize the next gear, but they do it differently. The WOT box cuts the spark plugs, while the Accessport cuts the fuel injectors. If you are running an Aux fuel system it's recommended to run a WOT box for Flat Foot Shifting, and to serve as a rev limiter. The reason for this is because if only the fuel injectors are cut, rather than the spark plugs, the aux fuel may continue to combust with a lean air fuel mixture. This can cause the transmission to get locked out of the next gear, and potentially cause knock. Tuned by Nishan has a good video describing this on his UA-cam channel. I think both are effective, but if running aux fuel, use the WOT Box :)
@@WannabeTuners Makes alot of sense! Thanks for the explanation man!
@@Stellarhippo No problem bud!
Wannabe Tuners ❤️
Could you use the access port ffs still and use the wot box no lift shift as well even if running aux fuel ?
What exhaust is on this thing
It's got a CPE catless downpipe, CNT catback, BNR S4 turbo, and Full Race exhaust manifold
Is this a bad idea to install? if your current set up is as follows: Stock turbo, stock intercooler, stock dp, UR hi flow secondary cat, intake, tip, hpfp, e20 tune. I'm most worried about destroying my cats. I would love the performance benefit without the flames, dont really give a shit about aesthetics. love ur vids btw
It's mainly used for bigger turbos to reduce lag in between shifts, and when running aux fuel to prevent a lean burn when flat foot shifting. I personally wouldn't recommend it otherwise :)
@@WannabeTuners im assuming, there's no reason to disregard the AP NLS though? thanks for the quick reply
@@brianvi6438 Yep no worries :) The FFS feature with the Cobb Accessport cuts the injectors rather than the ignition coils (as the WOT box does). Since you aren't spraying AUX fuel, there's no need to worry about a secondary fuel source continuing to spray during a NLS or when hitting the rev limiter, which could potentially cause the engine to run away on a lean burn and lock you out of the next gear. So using the NLS feature with the AP is still useful and safe in your case :)
@@WannabeTuners hey i going to install 8th port injection and bnr s4 i need wot box??
@@josuearroyo370 I highly recommend it
I need a link on where I can order the wot box
www.npcompleteperformance.com/wotbox
Wot box on the glove box
Gen 1 and gen 2 are the same thing but different body
They do share the same engine with slight differences. But the engine harness and pin out and wire colors are different in most cases
Man you were so young here ;p
fucking amazing
Is it capable on the stock turbo ?
Yep absolutely
I have a write-up for Gen 2 models up on www.mazdaspeeds.org. Might wanna throw that up in the description for the GenPu peeps! mazdaspeeds.org/index.php?threads/genpu-wotbox-install.7002/
Great idea! Thanks man. Link in the description :)
@@WannabeTuners
I have a 97 dakota skreet truck can I do this with a distributor and coil style ignition
I'm not sure. I would call or email N2MB Racing to find out :)
Found someone with a dakota that did it but they where no help 🙃 thankfully the entire dodge dakota scene is hillbilly’s and old dudes that ls swapped them :/
@@beaupatterson1527 I imagine that the WOT box would just be installed in series between the coil to the distributor. Although that is a lot of voltage going through the WOT box as compared to a coil on plug setup. Definitely call N2MB to find out for sure!
I have it all wired and it blinks correctly and right rpm on my laptop and all the good stuff but won’t cut ignition (sorry Ik I’m asking a lot of random questions) but it’s hooked up to ignition power on the pcm (tried wires both ways) and didn’t work should I try the ignition coil negative (usually where guys add a tach) or are you saying have the coil lead bc that’d blow the box to pieces
@@beaupatterson1527 How did you wire up the accelerator pedal voltage wire, and the clutch position switch? Do you have the right throttle voltage threshold set in the program? How about the clutch position switch? It could potentially be inverted.
Does it have to be a speed in order to get a wot box
No sir! Check N2MB Racing's website for compatible vehicles :)
Wannabe Tuners I need help can’t seem to find what wire I need to hook up to for the orange and red wire on a 2008 mazda 3 hatch
Question what oil you use summer and winter
I only drive the car during the warmer months and currently with the built engine I run Amsoil 10w40
@@WannabeTuners wot box its mandatory??i going to do maybe 420hp bnr s4 with 8th port injection 1050cc injectors only pump gas
@@josuearroyo370 From what I've read it's always recommended to use the WOT box whenever running AUX fuel to prevent a lean burn when hitting the rev limiter and flat foot shifting. I think the higher the power, the more it is required. For your power goals it may not be necessary.
@@WannabeTuners thanks and i like you videos bro
@@josuearroyo370 Thanks bro :)
Is there anything specific you need done in order to install a wot box
No not really. It's been known to melt catalytic converters though. The install is relatively straight forward :)
Will a normal mechanic be able to install this
It really depends on whether or not they are willing to give it a go, but I think most mechanics have the ability :) I reckon labor would be expensive though, as this job takes several hours and isn't something that should be rushed
@@WannabeTuners thanks id try it myself but knowing me id mess it up would be money well spent
@@trueplayaa111 I hear ya man
Is your car stock bro?
Stock enough to drive on the street lol
Does the car need to have aux fuel for this to work?
Not at all! It can be run without AUX fuel. All it does is cut the ignition system for an adjustable amount of time :)
Sorry for the noob questions I’m trying to educate my self as much as possible on the speed. So if I was to install a wot box would I need to “turn off” flat foot shifting on the AP ? And just go off the wot box ?
@@richardcarrillo3873 Yep exactly, and in order to do that, you would set the FFS rpm out of reach to say 9000 rpm in Cobb AccessTuner. If using the WOT box as a rev limiter, you would set the rev limiter in AccessTuner out of reach :)
Ohh ok awesome ! Thanks much man appreciate it watching your videos gets me excited to do my car and learning more then youd think from a video lol can’t wait for upcoming videos !
@@richardcarrillo3873 Awesome man! Glad to hear :)
These flames..
Are they coming from the no lift shift?
When the ignition system is cut in between the shift, the unburned fuel and air mixture iginites in the exhaust
Is this the same method for Mazda speed6
It's pretty much the same concept, but you will most likely need to refer to a wiring diagram for your specific vehicle to ensure you splice into the correct wires :)
Thanks
Drunks!!
Hells yeah brother!
Wish i cud get all that nice cs goodies in your engine bay.but damn its so expensive.
Yeah man it definitely takes time and costs a lot for all these sweet parts
@@WannabeTuners cool.anyway your engine is realy superclean and i can see u do all your stuff the proper way.no short cuts.keep up the goodwork👌regards ryno😁👍
1:34 wot kind of box is that? lol
Is it me or when he laughs it reminds me of Waluigi from Super mario
Haha what time stamp? I'm curious now :)
@@WannabeTuners 8:14
@@Theforeseen1 Oh yes that was a coping mechanism in response to almost breaking that trim piece 😆
Huhmmmmm 😳
Sikkkkk
What kind of beer is that
At what time stamp?
First
if you like your car dont do this