SITES Spectre: Think of it as an SMG, not a pistol
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- Опубліковано 7 лют 2018
- The SITES Spectre was originally developed by the SITES company (Societa Italiana a Technologie Speciali SPA) of Torino to be the best police and counterterrorist submachine gun on the market. To this end, they studied the other guns on the market and what made a good SMG. The results were rolled into the Spectre design - things like minimal width (about 35mm), no protrusions to the sides, ambidextrous controls, closed-bolt operation, quad-stack magazines, and a double action trigger option in place of a traditional manual safety. The gun went into production in 1985 as the Model 2…but did not garner many sales.
It was shortly updated to the Model 4 with improved sights and stock, and better disassembly procedure. It was also released as a semiautomatic pistol and carbine, in an effort to create some cash flow on the civilian market. The standard version was in 9x19mm, but it was also sold in .40 S&W, 9x21 IMI, and .45 ACP. Importation into the US lasted until 1993, and the guns were never all that popular. As a submachine gun it was a fine design, but simply not better enough than its competition to bring sales in a market crowded with other options. As a semiautomatic pistol, it was heavy and awkward (6.4 pounds / 2.9kg unloaded). SITES went out of business in 1997 and the rights were purchased by Swiss company Greco Sport. They continued to manufacture them until 2001, and went out of business themselves in 2006.
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When you thought it was already confusing to have the Colt M4 and the Benelli M4, the Spectre M4 arrives.
Honestly fuck the american military's naming convention. Was it too hard to call rifles with an R, pistols with a P and tanks with a T instead of everything being M?
And the m4 sherman
@@bon_jo And the M4 survival rifle, and the M4 High Speed Tractor.
BMW M4
M4 Enfield
If you're concerned about adjusting the sights on this gun for windage, you're holding the wrong gun in the first place.
Lmao seriously man
Lol.... that's when you just tell those people to hold it sideways ;-P
@Zippy Dastrange What
I mean you still could windage it at the front if you used an offset front sight pin. Honestly Id have a ghost ring welded to the catch and an offset pin added to give a better sight picture.
Spray and pray.
I can't think of it as an SMG.
*The ATF may come looking for me.*
Why youtube why Not a pre-86 already registered machine gun.
Get a dealer license and claim it as a dealer sample
Do you own a dog?
This small machine is exceptional and beautiful. I read in Wikipedia that this is manufactured no more in the Italian company from which it was originated. What a matter of grief!!!! I wish this comes back again.
😁
"Quad stack mag", that is a combination of words i thought i would never hear.
Keltec CP33
They make quad ak mags
I’ve seen and heard some weird shit, like a weird banana drum for an ak, but this is some truly unexplainable shit
Surefire makes a quad stack for ar's
Oh yeah man they make quad stacks for ARs AKs they’re neat!
Personally I love reading the warnings sections in manuals before using stuff... Not because I'm all that worried about anything bad happening, but more a "I wonder what silly things people have done or are expected to maybe do with this thing" line of thinking.
RealLuckless It's like seeing "WARNING: Contains Dairy Products" on the side of milk jug... Are people really so incredibly idiotic that the warning is needed?
there are still people who need to be reminded not to eat deterget pods
Somewhere at some time somebody has already tried it :D
BEST COMMENT EVER! Are we brothers?!
Claymore mines have a warning to not eat explosive, supposedly because US soldiers in Vietnam would eat the C4 to get sick and get sent home
that thing is just plain cool. its like an Mp5 an Uzi and a Suomi had a baby.
Agent No3 , yeah, when I first saw it I was reminded of the Skorpion
If it had a little wire stock like the Skorp, it would be perfect.
Ppsh/Mp5k/Scorpion
A three way...?
This thing is like a blocky TEC-9.
Always liked these. I think it's funny everyone talking about it from COD does anyone remember it from Goldeneye N64
Neither, I remember this thing from Rainbow Six 3 Athena Sword.
It was terrible.
Thought it looked familiar, loved Goldeneye on the n64
Daniel Atkins don't remember it even though played a lot of golden eye
No it was Phantom. The Klobb was the VZ.61 Scorpion
Sarch Lalaith no that was the scorpion, the spectre was first available in Frigate and was called a spectre.
In my opinion this is one of the most mechanically sophisticated firearms of all time. Simplistic, effective, reliable, smooth. Everything it should be and nothing it shouldn't. I want one.
Circa 1997, Frigate “La Fayette”, Monte Carlo.
Those who “Picked Up A Phantom.” will never forget.
Lol good times!
all guns cheat on dual wieldin them thangz!
MrAvanile 007 goldeneye frigate
I'll raise my Silenced D5K!
lol, you can tell who was REALLY serious by who thinks Oddjob is cheating. The fact is that Ourumov and Jaws are the best, Oddjob is the worst. It's a little different in GoldenEye Source, but on N64 the guns all defaulted to aiming straight at Oddjob's head. We could go back and play and you could "cheat" by picking Oddjob, and you'd be lucky to get a single kill on me.
I appreciate the extra time on the trigger group. I find it to be one of the most interesting mechanical aspects.
Usually I can follow along with Ian when he describes a more complex mechanism, but this time I just got lost. Even Gun Jesus can only do so much!
Its hard to understand this setup unless you have it infront of you. I had to look at my KH9 for a bit until I understood how it works. The B&T KH9 is a modern version of the Spectre with very similar FCG setup.
The only part I still don't understand is what pushes the hammer-stopping bar downwards, so that when the trigger is pulled and that T-bar moves out of the way, it then allows the hammer-stopping bar to drop, allowing the linear hammer to move forward. Is it the surface on the linear hammer being angled, and the surface on the hammer-stopping bar being curved? Like, the spring tension on the linear hammer would cause the linear hammer to release from that bar due to the angled/curved surfaces, except for the T-bar blocking the stopping bar from moving down far enough to do so until the trigger is pulled?
@@Jeddostotle7 I think you found it.
Back in the late 80's and early 90's I worked in a gun shop specializing in military style gear. Every time someone would come in asking for a job we would ask them what they new about the Spectre and why was it unique.
That magazine is insane
look up "Surefire Mags". they make a 60 and 100 rd 556 for an AR. I have a 60 and a vid of a 60 rd mag dump in my machine gun. I think its called "60 rd magdump. lol.
Shurefire double coffin.
Puf Gun RU make the best quad stacks nowadays.
Apparently I was psychic when I was a wee lad, because I built this thing out of Duplo a hundred times over without ever laying eyes on it.
Apparently we were psychically linked as children, for I literally did the same exact thing with my duplos
I did it with legos. My kindergarten teacher was fucking horrified, which I never really understood because I never pointed it at anyone or did anything unnerving with 'em.
I am in 9th grade and built a life size, rubber band powered, blowback, Sr-3 Vikhr out of legos. The Duplos led me somewhere...
George Sears stop living my childhood
Every. Time.
"Spectre M4, formally joining your ranks, sir! Um... Commander? Is there no welcoming party?"
My favourite things on guns are the little doodle'y bits.
Much love Ian.
I've always been surprised that the Spectre has not been more well-known, considering the amount of accurate firepower it could put down-range. 850rpm from a 50 round mag in such a small and handy gun is nothing to be sniffed at.
I love these technical terms, doodly bit.
Don't forget the polymer resin fiberglass plasticky thing!
"Kerchunk" is another very technical term used here :)
A skookum doodly bit.
Ahh Doodley Bits , and his brother Fiddley...
I had one in the early 90's. Mine had a blued finish. It broke a firing pin and I couldn't find another one. I ended up having one made. I sold it right after I got it running again. Big mistake!
I regret selling mine as well Alan Gilman.
A friend had the .45acp...more fun to shoot!!! Never saw a .40 though.
An indoor range I used to shoot at had this in 9mm and a TEC-9 you could rent and shoot. They were the most popular rentals along with that new plastic pistol from Austria called the Glock 17. 😆
Midstate Firearms in Coventry, RI, has a nice one for sale with the 30 and 50 round magazines.
My brother had one of these and the firing pin broke and he had to have one made aswell. It had a 30 and 50 round mag. It was a great gun.
Italy still has that restriction, and that’s exactly why 9mm firearms are in 9x21 IMI here
Isn't 9x21 more powerful than 9x19?
@@literal_f22 not really, since bullet is set deeper, the overall length is the same, and so is the powder charge, resulting in an almost identical cartridge. Technically, I think 9x21 can take a little bit more of abuse, so it would be better for things like developing really hot competition loads without breaking cases, but the difference is minimal enough that every single non-Italian pro shooter develops those loads with normal 9x19 components. And now that the ban has been lifted, we are going towards 9x19 too, and we’re doing it way faster than I was expecting
@@stevailo Thanks for the information!
It's beautiful. I didn't even realize that this video is 22 minutes until about 18 minutes into it; I've just watched a display of real mechanical beauty
Is "doodley bit" a technical term?
If it wasn't before, it is now!
Less specific than "thinger", but more specific than "doohickey".
No Patrick doodley bit is not a technical term
It sure diddly-darn is!
@@murderousintent7838 Sounds like someone has doodly-bit envy.
I bought one in 40cal someone took apart and could not put back together. The lower is not really meant to come apart. I got in running fine. I read there were 1,000 semi's imported. 600 in 9mm, 300 in 40 and 100 in 45acp. Only ever seen one for sale at a show years ago in 9mm. Unique firearm. The 80's gave us some interesting weapons.
Neat to know
Two of my biggest regrets in firearms collecting are not buying a stock for my Spectre when they where less than a grand and not buying one in 45 the only time I've seen one.
Donnie Love if you have one in 9mm I'll buy it lol
Oof
I’d like to thank XboxAhoy for first introducing me into this weapon.
Those bo1 guides were so well produced, nothing will ever beat them.
I love all of his videos! They have incredibly high production value...
Those were good videos
@@KFCGAMING55 He still makes alot of high quality videos. Check out his documentary length videos, their amazing.
Too bad people perfered the ak74u rapid fire and their bruhmas
Wait he made a video on the spectre? When? I must have missed it. Coincidentally i'm watching this video by ian just a few days after ahoy released the video about the flamethrower.
Brugger &Thomet purchased the rights and make/made a couple of modernized versions. The KH9 ( limited run) and the GHM9, both refinements but without the quad stack.
James Bridges you can run Suomi quadstack mags in the Kh-9
Luzian Wasescha wasn't aware of that.
And newer versions, known as KH9D, takes the Suomi drums...
oh, and the GHM9, it may look like the KH9, it is not. It uses AR FCG. Only the KH9 has the DA/SA striker design that is pretty much a modernized Spectre.
trpclfvr yeah, I watched MAC's video on it after I commented. I was just going off a discussion I had on IG with B&T and they looked at it as an improved KH9.
This gun will always be known as the Phantom from Goldeneye 64.
Yes I remember this. If I’m not mistaken it is on the frigate level.... and it can also be dual wielded...?
Fun fact, some guy's making a fan remake of goldeneye, search goldeneye 25
90s was such a strange time. SMGs were still cool and relevant, AR's were still old hat, and it reflected in the videogames.
And it will also always be known for being one of the worst guns in the game as soon as you take off the rose-tinted glasses
@@majik5194 Nonsense, it was the BEST gun. It was high-powered, and the mix of large magazine and low ROF: meant you could comfortably outlast the other guy in a firefight, or just advance on his position whilst shooting. He would always have to reload first. In a real life situation: I'd want a gun with those exact same characteristics.
I noticed the smaller diameter spring is wound clockwise and the larger spring is wound counter-clockwise so they cannot mesh and get stuck together. Very clever! Otherwise you would have to separate them with a tube to keep them from getting tangled.
Second time I had to watch this. What a genius design. Great video Ian!
Yep, so many people have already said it. "Goldeneye". Interesting mechanics to it.
I know this is an old video, but I have an SBR Spectre and a factory manual and the sights ARE adjustable for windage as well as elevation. The front sight post actually is in a slot, and loosening the two locking nuts will allow it to travel left and right. Screwing the sight up or down once the nuts are loose also adjusts for elevation.
Dude, your break down vids are the absolute best.
Great job! Informative and clear. Been a subscriber for a couple years. I really enjoy hearing you understanding of each "tool". Keep up the great reviews!
One firearm I'd remember reading about in the early 90s. Purportedly rugged and well designed. Neat to see the trigger group, fascinating mechanics. Hopefully you'll be able to see non-neutered version. I'd also read it had some cooling system...guess it was removed on this version?
Well thought out and safe sub gun.
Always loved the look of the Spectre, thanks for the closer look Ian
This is by far the best video on the Spectre I have ever seen!
I have always liked this platform, definitely unique in every way. I almost bought one years ago about watching this makes me want to get one today. Great video stay safe brother.
"doodly bit" is an interesting name for a gun part. I like it
What an interesting firearm! I always thought the Sterling SMG was the only firearm that used a magazine with rollers - I always learn something from your videos, Ian!
I'm so glad I got one and kept it. I was 18 at the time and 33 now. I knew it was special but after all your details about it I love it more
This was topnotch for when it came out and is still amazing to me, a work of art.
You have to wonder what happened to the rolling for this gun. Are there a set of dies, stamps and mandrels sitting in a factory somewhere in Italy or Switzerland?
I smell a storage wars episode....!
It's either what you said or they got destroyed to make M9s
Getting In before all the video game comments. These are super neat guns. They're not exceptionally rare, so you can still find them on gun broker every once in a while. However the folding stock and the mags are very hard to come by. If you're looking to SBR one of these the stock alone could cost almost $2000 on auction.
At that price tag you're probably better off commissioning a decent metalworker to make a replica for you.
9/10 of spectres are rusting in italian special forces' depots, what a waste
Nothing wrong with people falling in love with it do to playing Goldeneye on N64, that is a large part of what had me search one out to own for myself.
No more than 125 of the stocks were ever imported, saw one on Gunbroker a few months back that sold for around $1,600 but I unfortunately didn't have any fun money at the time. The 30 round mags go for about $250, not sure about the 50 rounders. I know a guy who is making a small run of repro stocks, said he expects to set the price at around $600-$675. Haven't spoken to him since we last talked about it so I'm not sure if he finished them yet but he had expected to be done by this last December-January.
another great video. very interesting to see the inside of a quad stack. that was a surprise to see.
Such a beautiful work of modern firearm design. Its compactness and relative ease of ambidextrous operation are great features.
One thing they tried in italian market was to sell "a pistol that looks like a SMG" - basically, for italian laws is not that difficult to issue a pistol to private guards, security people and such.
A SMG isn't avaiable for civilians under no condition whatsoever.
So a security guard out of a bank may carry a pistol (or some kind of a rifle, not a SMG like police or Carabinieri does.
Spectre filled the gap: it's a pistol, but the common people and bad guys would see a bulletproof-vested, police-level armed guard.
So SITES went on to redesign the sights, nice
Finally, I have been waiting for this one forever! Thank you so much Ian! Also, side note, please, PLEASE incorporate the phrase "doodley-bit" into more videos, I had to pause the video because I was laughing so hard.
I saw one of these in some weapon hand books when i was a kid and i immediately fell in love with it. I even made a wooden toy spectre and played with it in the woods. Cool seeing one of these shown here
Specte = SMG
Ranger = semi automatic only carbine
Falcon = semi automatic only pistol.
Really liked them some trochees, huh?
My friend told me about this channel and i was skeptical, until he said Ian was “ A literal fucking god who could lift 100,000 pounds with one hand”.
I was not disappointed
Ian's going over my head with technical lingo like "little doodly-bit"! Neat little firearm, thanks Gun Jesus!
Just bought one of these, cant wait to check it out!
A SITES Spectre sbr is on my must have list.
The first human Spectre
i vote this gun gets an N7 paint job
Ah yes, "Reapers". We have dismissed that claim.
We are the Geth. We are Legion.
I like this human, HE understands!
Nicely explained as usual, thanks.
I've been waiting so long for you to review this gun
When Ian says, “they came up with a lot really good ideas for this gun...” you just know a massive but is coming
*BUT* it sucks lol
@@davidp4270 It doesn't, there was just no need for a better smg
Weird, I was looking up info on this gun just yesterday thinking 'why hasn't Ian brought this up yet'
Finally!! Been waiting for a review on this.
WOW! Great job on the explanation of that FCM.
Finally getting to see you make a vid on this! I absolutely love mine. They’re the coolest thing. I wanna make an SBR of one and find a stock one day.
i’m so jealous of you right now
Wolfwind Prepper Agreed! It’s my go-to!
I know where to get grips and stocks :)
AjackLee4,Where?
Wade Kirby MFIAP has front grips, and the FTC "airsoft" stock is for sale on the octagonairsoft.com website. The grip is original and the repro stock will fit.
An interesting design indeed
Beautiful gun. Perfect stamping
Thanks Ian. Now I need one of these.
B&T KH-9 is an interesting modernization of this design.
Love this gun, both from N64 Goldeneye and the Sin Eater sidearm from the Outlanders book series.
I didn't know that in my city there was a weapon company. Thank you Ian.
The looks and simplicity grows on me.
Looks like I'm playing Goldeneye 64 tonight. Thanks Ian.
I used this, a Jati, and several 'other' SMG/Machine Pistols during my time in South and Central America in the 80's and late 90's, with the U.S. Army.
Were good weapons I thought. Sometimes getting mags were an issue.
I had one of these. The firing pin would develop burrs at the retaining pin and hang fire until the firing pin spring could push it back of the burr. I messed with it for a few months, but it would always start acting up. When it operated correctly, it was fun to shoot.
Bought one new, it was a great gun the quad stack 50rd mags were short and worked well.
I've been waiting a long time for you to review this one. The forgotten smgs are some of my favourites. Can I hope for a Jatimatic sometime soon?
He's got a very old video on one back from 2012
He made a new video on the jatimatic some months ago! (Perhaps even a year or so ago, but I remember watching a good new and fully detailed video on the jatimatic on this channel some time ago)
Love mine! It definitely needs the top folding stock to be practical, and the forward grip. Not much recoil when shooting probably largely due to it's weight.
Fun facts: They were only imported by two companies, FIE and American Arms, Inc. Mine is the American Arms. They are identical except the FIE chamber end OD is slightly larger and won't fit into AA rear bbl support. Also, some very early FIE guns have thicker wall magwell steel and will only accept a very rare thin wall magazine. FIE imported them first for a while until they went out of business in 1990, due to the first "Assault Weapons" ban and American Arms bought the rights to import the Spectre. AA imported all the calibers 9mm, .40S&W and the .45ACP. being the rarest. There was only 1,000 9mm, 300 .40S&W, and 100 .45ACPs imported. The AA .40S&W can have feeding issues with the blunt nose ammo apparently. The magazines are modified 9mm mags and hold 22rds instead of 30rds. They didn't convert 50rd mags because they couldn't get them to feed. You can convert a 9mm Spectre to .40S&W or vise versa by changing the barrel, bolt and magazine. You can't convert a .45ACP because it has a spot welded in adapter for the 2 column mag. The .45 is dedicated to it's caliber. I have a mag for the .45 also, because why not? Due to the rarity I figure I might as well jump at the chance to get a mag for one.
Also, there were no more than 125 stocks imported into the US. One was actually up on gunbroker a few months ago and ended up selling for around $1,600 if I remember correctly. I unfortunately did not have fun money for it at the time. But someday I will get one and SBR mine. To attach it most have to be modified by drilling a hole in the rear latch section that holds the sight in, but some actually came with it already; mine is one of the lucky ones that came with it.
Mine was the early version with the thin blued (not phosphate) magazines. The steel was so flimsy that sometimes just setting the filled mag on the table would cause rounds to spit out. That was one of the reasons I got rid of mine. The other reason was I felt the trigger was made from too thin gauge steel for that heavy double action pull.
I’ve been waiting for this one for a while!
Got to say u are awesome love guns and now I can learn so much thank you
Man I had 2 of these. One as a shooter and one NIB. Cool pistol for sure. Too bad the parts and mags are hard to get and expensive. Be gentle with the plastic levers. I recall the SMG was similar in the internals and that striker is what was supposed to pump the air.
Yeah! That charging handle is plastic and feels kind of flimsy and cheap, which is odd because the rest seems really well made. I bought a spare one for mine just in case. The guy I got my stuff from said that they did break sometimes.
This is really weird. I was just searching this gun yesterday after learning it was the gun the phantom was based off of. And now you have a video on it the same day i learnt about it. Ian, can you please make a video on both the Kel Tec Su16, and the RFB. The Su16 is the only AR i know of that can legally carry a 10 round magazine in my native canada and it has a lot of other features that are interesting.
I remember reading about it in a circa 1991 "Tekhnika - Molodezhi" where it was described as the cutting edge of technology and the future of compact concealable firepower. Something along those lines. The Skorpion and that German stapler gun with weirdly shaped detachable plastic stock were also covered in the same issue.
I loved how they used the same lever design for the safety and the decocker.
Instantly remembered of the Phantom gun in Goldeneye 64
Any idea how well those mags worked compared to other quad/casket mags?
Still remember the movie “Cobra” in the 80’s , they used one of these . Very rare . Fast toy. Also remember the magazine , atypical to any other SMG.
aways wanted to know about this gun, never knew its name. very cool video thank you once again!
the decocking lever is a nice feature, very well designed all around.
It was in The Professional
Great video!
I really hope you find a SMG version if it with the folding stock. Really want to hear your opinion on it.
Your wish has been granted.
Very interesting design. And that magazine is pretty wild...
YEESSSS I’ve been waiting for this video forever!
If only I could have this pistol and the jackhammer, I could finally sign up to security force section 009.
Ah, its the phantom from goldeneye, was an intresting weapon in frigate
That's what it is! I kept thinking perfect dark (maybe in both games?)!
- thanx Ian , again !
Some pretty neat engeneering for such a simple design.
"Doodly bit."
- Gun Jesus, ca. 2018
B&t, i think put these back in to production, or a new improved version.
The SITES Resolver M380 would make an interesting video as there are none available so far - I looked it up, considered the slim pistol of the last century
I did massive streaks with this in cod black ops, good ol italian submachinegun
I remember seeing this in an "old" gun book in my teens. I just liked the look and that 4 row magazine picked my interest after that, sadly the folding stock isn't on this one. I'd love to see you shoot one, I'm curious how reliable the mags are and why nobody else makes mags like that, they don't seem very complicated to make.
It was fun in 007 Goldeneye.
I was RO at a full auto approved range in Cobham UK.There was an arms fair held near by and our range was used for demonstration purposes.At the end of the day I was given the opportunity to fire some very cool guns.The Spectre was brilliant.After a full mag was emptied the breach was just warm.There was a silenced AK47 and MP5 too.I had to load my own mags.😩🤣
Thanks Ian!