This is no joke! I’m all for letting people be aware of this. Someone very close to me had concussions and died of suicide. He played lacrosse since middle school and passed his sophomore year 4 weeks after a concussion. If only we knew about this maybe we could have helped him. Our lives are forever changed. Hopefully this helps someone anyone because it’s REAL and I wish I wasn’t writing this. But I am so no one has to go thru the heart break or suffering that CTE can cause not to just the athlete but everyone in their life.
I played highschool football, and the team, that I played on, was always the best in the tri-county area. We did insane drills, where players got rocked hard every week. There is NO WAY my teammates don't have CTE. Many times, guys were puking and could barely walk straight, and the coaches always said, "Walk it off." Anything to beat the rival schools. GO PANTHERS!!!
Hurling would be less violent. The padding in lacrosse let’s you keep throwing head-to-head hits, because the helmet prevents any sort of cuts/bruising on the person initiating the hit. You would be more likely to leave a hurling match, after a bad hit, than a lacrosse game. Even with the hit being slightly muted by the padding, you are around for longer, so you take more serious hits overall. My buddies son played lacrosse for 1 year. At one point, 16 out of the ~25, 12-14yr olds players, were out with concussions. Lacrosse is a crazy violent sport, and the padding just makes it appear civilized.
In hurling you have to be going for the ball. It's not non-contact, but you can't take out the guy to get the sliotar (ball). You don't swing the hurl at the other guy. The helmet hasn't been turned into an offensive weapon like in American Football. Also the player tackling you is usually running in the same direction as you as it's very hard to take a tennis ball size target from someone you're running directly at.
I used to play full contact with no pads when I was a kid. I was playing with kids much older than me too. I remember a time in my life when I was a kid when I suffered from migraines and stuff too and I wonder if that was why. The worst part of it is that I didn't even like to play, but that's what all the other kids did so I played.
Better than sticking to the same opinion just to save face even though new information exists 😊 Imagine being in a world where changing your opinion is a bad thing. Just shut up lol.
True but how often will an MMA fighter get a concussion? Definitely not in training unless an accident and actually rarely in fights, whereas football players get head trauma once or twice a week
@@anthonyf3960 Are you serious? You obviously never went to a gym if you think they don't get hit in the head when they train. Sparring = getting hit in the head. Getting hit in the head = brain damage. It's literally that simple.
Of the 35ish people in my high school football/soccer team: 7 became straight-up drug addicts, mostly heroin, some are homeless, 3 of them died of drug overdose and/or alcohol poisoning 2 are jailbirds (low-level assault, theft, etc.), 1 is always homeless 2 guys committed suicide (of which one disfigured his pregnant fiancee before he did it) 2 are in mental institutions getting the help they need 1 guy is on bail for some rape/pedophilia-related stuff 1 guy changed his name, got weird plastic surgery, and became a crappy conceptual artist 1 guy joined ISIS, he's probably dead 1 guy became a highly successful attorney (yay!) 1 guy became a local Craigslist scammer 1 guy steals money from his mom to gamble 1 guy built his own million-dollar education company and is my best friend (yay!) 1 guy thinks he's a prophet of God, he's also kinda homeless And the rest are either leading mundane lives or I can't find them. Many go to therapists, get medicated, etc. But, hey, we got 3rd in divisionals (for soccer, we stunk at football), so definitely worth it! I'm just glad I was only the guy who controlled the scoreboard computer.
As a sport and an industry soccer is in denial about the risks of head trauma. ALS has been shown to be massively more common in soccer players in Italy, but there's never been a cohort study done on this in the UK. Dementia is also far more common in soccer players but again there's a shocking lack of research. In truth, the sport doesn't want to know. It's probably worried about the inevitable tsunami of lawsuits.
I think I'm going to retire from Muay Thai fighting and sparring. I've only trained for the last 3 years but my memory and moods have begun to change. I've had 2 panic attacks in the last year and I've never even remotely showed symptoms before I started training. I originally thought it was from my excessive drinking binges but now I feel this is something that I also have to take seriously
Dude im in the exact same boat. Is this not extremely hard for you to do? Im reallt struggling with making this decision. Ive invested so much time into it
@@1594simonsays It's a very hard decision to make. I haven't trained since November and since then I've made a lot of changes in my life to stop what was happening. I feel much better now, I don't think I have CTE but something wasn't right. It's tough, I was usually sparring 3-4 times a week. There is no exercise like it and I was developing, it's a way of life. I realised something was wrong when my short term memory started to go, I used to have really irrational thoughts and then I would have spells of feeling depressed/ anxious. Eventually I started having panic attacks. I wouldn't wish them on my worst enemy and my advice to you is if you have any doubts, get out. You don't want to experience these symptoms, to know that they could get worse in time and that they are self inflicted.
@@ingrogies1 i agree man. Like you i havent trained for about 6 months now. Same stuff panic attacks, depressive moods, low energy etc. I have had some head injuries that i know of (car accident with subdural hematoma, *blood re-obsorbed back into brain* thank god, and a couple of known concussions) what gets me indecisive about continuing on is the fact that so many thai's have 200+ fights and i wonder if i have depression and anxiety from early trauma from bullying and other events not just the head injury stuff ive been tryinf to pray and have been contemplating this for months now. Truly stressful stuff ... Thats my story to a degree this is one of the toughest decisions I've honestly had to make man because i put my eggs in one basket. Im glad everything is working out on your end...oss
@@1594simonsays Well actually I went up training tonight but I'm only hitting pads from now on. No more sparring. Man, it sounds like you are in a bad place. If you go back training, even if you don't have an injury from sparring you don't need the hassle of having that worry in your head. Maybe take up Ju Jitsu? That has a similar team culture. To be honest I seeked professional help. My issues boiled down to either my excessive drinking (which I also stopped) and head injuries from training.
@@ingrogies1 yeah man ive got some sorting out to do. Im glad to hear you back in the gym though. Im a blue belt in bjj so i might just go that route fulltime but we both know that comes with its fair share of injuries aswell in the long run. But hey thats life. All the best to you man
This is why baseball is the way to go. You have 40 year olds with multimillion dollar contracts that will actually be able to enjoy their retirement because they don’t have brain damage
@@oven88 I´ve seen clips where a guy blows his pitching arm, like really fucks it up. Torn muscles, tendons ripping off the bone, ligaments torn, snapping a slice off the tip of your elbow type of stuff. That shit has got to be painful as hell because you don´t have the same type adrenaline and mindset in a baseball match that you do in football or combat sports, so it´s gotta be even worse. I mean like in a boxing match you know you´re gonna get hurt coz you´re about to fight and your body will try to minimize that, but snapping all of the shit in your arm at once when you think you´re just gonna throw a good pitch? Damn. That experience+the recovery has got to be a pain in the ass(or arm in this case) but I would take that any fuckin day over getting a shin in the head from a professional, that shit can change you completely, forever.
Too bad it's literally the most boring sport and it's completly unwatchable unless you're passed out drunk and don't give a shit about what's happening. Even god damn soccer is less boring to watch with those 0-0 games...
I remember my dad asked me what my dream job was when i was like 9 or 10, and i replied "2nd string right fielder for the red sox". He was so surprised and asked why so i said "I don't have to do much and I get paid a lot." I still stick by that.
Tiramisu #1P4PGOAT Indeed, but that's not what we were talking about. Just about head injuries and career longevity. How can yanks find american football fun when theres like 13 seconds of actual playing every few minutes, and then they say soccer is boring because it's hard to score goals? I've never understood that.
My husband plays rugby league here in New Zealand and the big hits are what people love to see but I always have in the back of my mind about cte hes been playing for years hes had loads of hard head knocks he had a xray once and part of his neck and spine have fused together from the knocks and his head going back
I feel bad for players like Austin Collie. His hit against the Eagles was the only time I actually thought someone died on the field. He had 4 severe concussions in 2 years and was told the next time he gets one it will kill him.
Played running back from elementary school through high school. By my senior year even the smallest hits to the head would cause me to get light headed and “see stars”
@@fireforce9706 not necessarily. We dont understand cte much. Can be caused by seeing stars and not necessarily concussions. Some guys brains end up being fucked and others are fine.
So maybe this is the reason human history is so violent. They have found bog bodies hundreds/and thousands of years old with healed skull fratures. Massive damage.
Thank you for talking about this. I've set my share of water impulse charges to open a door, and been up close and personal with IEDs. Paul Stamets research into Lion's Mane has been helpful.
I was a 2nd string high school athlete on a good football team. I would play in garbage time when we were so for ahead i couldn't screw it up too bad. I distinctly remember getting knocked the hell out on a kickoff. I remember being on the sideline asking what the hell just happened.
i’ve had 5 concussions from motocross and football combined. Don’t regret a thing, most incredible experiences of my life and so many life lessons learned that i don’t believe you can learn anywhere else. Many things come with sacrifice. If it means my memory becomes shotty and other side effects show up in later in life so be it.
shit man i played soccer my whole life, played collegiately for 4 years and semi pro for a couple years. I've had more than ten concussions and they definitely have effected me. If soccer can do it i'd hate to think about the damage mma football and lacrosse guys go through
“This hits you don’t see coming” when I was 7th grade I was playing contact football pads and all. As the ref blew the whistle ending the play, somebody charged me head down from behind hitting me in the back of the head with his head. I have never been so mad. No penalty, no nothing
As a D1 FBS defensive lineman that started playing my freshmen year in high school, you were spot on about the college aspect being more physical. You practice every day full speed and work too hard to let your opponent out physical you. You don't even think about those head collisions that occur play after play in the moment. I know I have CTE lol but I realize how much this sport has helped me and can continue to help me that I just don't care
i used to play lacrosse and most of the people weighed 50 pounds more than me. nearly every time i got bodychecked i would fly 6-8 feet back. lacrosse armor works very well to keep you from getting injured, but holy hell is it dangerous if you are strawweight and nearly everyone else is welterweight.
When i was in high school during football practice I got hit by to senior lineman so hard that I could not get up and could not feel my legs for about 5 minutes.
I was boxing this one dude on his 30s...got caught as I was tossing a hook....got a crazy head rush, felt dizzy, my legs felt like I was drunk, saw stars and heard ringing for the rest of the rd...shits a crazy feeling
I joined my local lacrosse team and just played my 1st game, I heard how rough it was so I was ready. When it started I took out the 3 closest people to me and everything went quiet, then a shuttlecock landed next to my foot.
Top 10 active fighters to get CTE: 1. Alistair Overeem 3. Eddie Alvarez 3. Justin Gaetje 4. Diago Sanchez 5. Chuck Liddell 6. Wanderlei Silva 7. Robbie Lawler 8. Mark Hunt 9. Chris Leben 10. Michael Bisping
Makes sense when you think about it, considering lacrosse has always been a less competitive sport. Nothing against it but if you take the best athletes from the best college lacrosse program and compare them to bama/Clemson football players it'll be night and day
@@bennyhath1789 football players have to be more athletic than their opponent to win while some lacrosse players can be slower and get good production based off iq and experience.
I think sadly the protection used in American Football actually facilitates this long term brain damage. The sparse rules on tackling rarely change but the padding and protection does - the dangerous nature of the tackles themselves do not change. Compare this to rugby union, legal tackling is constantly changing, the hits are just as big as American football, but the risk of brain damage is far lower.
i feel like CTE is mainly the lack of oxygen in the brain. In this case the brain isʻnt functioning well. Try holding your breath while putting together a dresser. The longer you hold your breath the more shifty your thoughts gets and you cant think straight. That is EXACTLY💯 how CTE feels like, but it’s all day every day. I believe i have significant CTE i played football 3 yrs in high school 3 yrs in college as a Linebacker and i was the starter all those years. My idols were zach thomas and bill romonowski. As you know thomas and romo tackles a lot with their helmets. Their style embedded in my game and that’s how i played. Iʻve been laying dudes out through my playing days and a good percentage of that were helmet to helmet hits. I just learned about CTE when i first experience the symptoms and that was after my first college football season. Out of nowhere i felt like i didnt wana be in school, didnt wana be near my friends, felt guilty but didnt know why. I suffered from a kazillion of migranes it felt like through out all these years. I didnt understand what i was going through until i watched the will smith concussion movie in my dorm room. Then i thought to myself maybe i have CTE. I researched more about CTE and i found out that everything iʻm going through are CTE symptoms. Since then ive been thinking A LOT how to deal with it. Iʻve never went to the doctors, i feel like im ashamed of it. Ive always tried to handle it myself and so far i believe it has gotten better. And it has been 7 years since i felt strong sypmtoms of CTE. I started my recovery by changing my diet even though still today i eat cheeseburgers and hot dogs. But i cut down my eating 50% and and more vegetables and fruits to my diet. A TON of water. Minimize SUGAR. Im not a super vegan hero but thatʻs kind of where im heading. I cut 40lbs after i thought i was going to lose it all. Im not doing this just to impress others about my diet and body but im doing it because my life literally depends on it. Again so far my memory improved but still sucks, thinking kind of stabling, i make my loved ones laugh again now, a lil bit. Overall im glad i can find a little happiness. Thatʻs all i asked for is a sign a little light and iʻll gravitate towards it. The main thing is oxygen, i can breathe so much better now after i change my diet and lose some weight. Most of the foods we eat are the PROBLEM. This is the reason why iʻm searching for the best diet for my body so it can produce more oxygen cleanly and narurally. Please if you read this understand that people are going through things dont judge them by their actions but help find light to the root of their problems. If you have CTE know that youʻre not alone. DO NOT GIVE UP to the mediaʻs portrat of CTE believe that you can erase it and get back HOME. Your diet, wellness, your good habbits, your happiness i believe theyʻre the keys to help with CTE. May the power of the creator be with you the courageous one. Fight on.
I was dropped on my head when i was 4 months old. I dont know if i have CTE but my memory is weak. I have depression. I get mood swings all the time. I i have migran also
Glad I only played full pads 8th and 11th grade. Hard though, because I was obsessed for the longest time with FB more than anyone. Got bell rung once. Til end of junior year, if I ever had any contact to helmet at all, it got sore again in the same spot, middle on top of brain. Through winter and spring, and summer, I noticed it healing for good, not sore anymore. Decided not to play as a senior. Got neck and spine problems anyway from work, bulging discs, occipital neuralgia. Glad I didn't play anymore.
It’s amazing how many injuries that seemed minor at the time (like a concussion or knee injury) slowly exacerbate over time and really affect you at an age where you should still be healthy to the point where you stop being able to do stuff
Former female boxer here, diagnosed with Traumatic Brain Injury. Now in my 50's, life is not good. Thank you Jesus that I have a great pension, because My symptoms are so severe I am no longer able to work.
The collision especially in league is like no other. Retreating 10 yards means 2 6’4 18 stone props charging into each other is unbelievable. Like being in a car crash. I did my ACL and had 2 concussions. Lucky that allowed me to consider what I was doing and stop before I did real damage
Daniel Mendoza maybe. I am a big guy so was propping. The most physical position. But I’ve had wars in sparring going 90% for 6 rounds as a heavyweight. No damage. It’s a different type of hit you take. Like I say I’m 6’6 and when playing RL I was 17 stone. Now me slamming into another man that size at speed shakes you to your bones. Boxing you can roll the shots and if you’ve got a decent defence you are ok mainly.
@@hakobbasilfan4644 What makes rugby union safer? It's good that there are all these alternatives to gridiron football: different kinds of rugby, Australian Rules, Irish/Gaelic Football (seems awesome, with little harsh contact but a lot of shoulder-bumping stuff), etc.
Lacrosse and football are not comparable in terms of head trauma. Joe's watching a highlight tape of lacrosse hits misrepresenting the game. A normal game has one or two big hits at most, it's not like the repetitiveness of football, unless you're watching a compilation tape. They've also made the rules restrictive in terms of body checking. NCAA lacrosse in 2019 will probably have fewer concussions than soccer
Idk man I got 12 thru lax, playing over like 7 years. Your right it's not comparable. But it takes one bad one and any knock on the head could potentially give you another one
Gay ass field lacrosse doesn't have much contact but arena lacrosse(the only lacrosse people actually watch) has ALOT of hits and they even fight like in hockey but they're not on skates. There's just as much CTE in arena lacrosse.
Last year i passed out and gave myself a concussion smacking my head on a metal chair. Got in a car accident a couple weeks later. Not bad but another gnarly concussion. I also train so i was getting hit and choked real good nothing too bad tho. Combine all that i could tell very much my functioning was waay down. And i smoke a lot of weed so that helps and makes it worse at the same time lolol thats my story folks
I play lacrosse and I can confirm people get rocked, all the time. Also you're not wearing pads like in football, and the pads you do have are small and thin.
Grew up playing hockey and football could have had a career in either seriously speaking. Up till grade 11 had multiple scholarship offers for both sports and even from American colleges for football and was about to enter the draft for OHL however I received a horrible concussion before and couldn't get cleared then went for a scan and the news was horrible I cant ever play a contact sport again.
So that means people are faking their brain damage? Fuck outta here with personal tells. Your body can't handle what mine can and vice versa. EVERY one is different and we've shown that a vast majority of people cannot take this kind of abuse. Edit: for my spelling.
@@jordancrass4527 I'm not at all saying I'm superior... Just giving personal anecdotes to show that brain damage isn't as prevalent as people think in sports.
@@cheese4746 It will. If you get hit on the head you get damaged... It's literally that simple. Soccer players have CTE from bumping a soft soccer ball on their head so for sure getting headbutted full blast by a guy sprinting who has 20-80 pounds on you.
I played (cattleball) football from 6th grade to my sophomore year of high school and I’m 18 yrs planning to pursue a serious career in MMA 🙏🏾 fuck I hope I’m not all fucked up when I’m old🙏🏾🧠
He's actually pretty sure he already has it. He's talked in depth about how he would go home and couldn't sleep due to how bad his headaches were from getting head kicks.
@@stepheneldridge3637 Is that really true? I know he said he stopped fighting when he was like 20 so it wasn’t a long stretch of time. Then again that was his life so i’m sure he took enough blows to the head and possibly had at least one concussion.
I play both lacrosse and football and football is way way worse I’ve had some rly bad hits in football and have struggled to walk before after a hit but I’ve never had anything close to that in lacrosse and bad head injuries aren’t nearly as common in lacrosse as football
I had a completely different picture of lacrosse in my head. Didn't think at all that it could be a contact sport. I'd thought it was more like floorball.
Reason why he didnt mention mma is because parents already know my mom was even hesitant to put me in boxing but getting bullied at school set that as a last resort but most parents ignorantly put their kids in football not knowing you get cte in fighting everyone always mentioned Muhammad ali its a given
Field lacrosse is different, you can still hit other players but to a lesser degree, box lacrosse is a lot more contact plus it’s a smaller area you have to play, but even then it’s mostly hard cross checks and slashes, youll still definitely see people get laid out but because that’s not the main objective of the game
Whenever I use to hear people say “I’d never let my child play football, it’s dangerous” I’d always think to myself “Jesus Christ, get a fucking grip” but not anymore after all this stuff we now know about concussions and CTE
I played defensive end and tight end from 6 all through high school and never realized how many concussions I had until I started listening to joe talk about it Edit: just heard Tom talk about blindsiding people and this isn’t something I’m proud of nowadays but I used to be the KING of ear holing mfs lol dirty move tho, I was a dick
It's suspected that I have cte..of course a definitive diagnosis can only be made after death. but I have all the classic symptoms of cte.. they are getting to the point in the medical field that it will be diagnosed before death.. let me tell you I love sports and was very dedicated to it .as much as I love sports I'm living with the results and it's not good..I'm living with an uncertain future.im 50 years old and don't know if at some point I'll even recognize my own children.. when you're faced with that possibility your opinions change..I used to look at it in a non chalant way but not today.i don't even follow mma any longer..it's time we look at things differently in society as far as competitive sports.
@@creativeape8994 I played football from little league all through high school.ive had numerous concussions playing football.in one game I was knocked unconscious.next morning I woke up with blood on my pillow that had came from my ear .I had no recollection of even playing the game.i thought the game was that night my mother had to tell me that I had played the game the night before..besides football I was knocked out on the baseball field once in a game as well.i had numerous concussions playing sports not to mention the smaller blows that didn't result in obvious concussions.i have seen doctors and I am showing all the classic symptoms of cte.i have spoken to the neurologist at great length about it .one last thing when I was playing football in little league and in middle school there was a drill we did in practice called bull in the ring where the team gets in a circle and the coach places one player inside that circle and each player in the circle is given a number and the coach calls a number and that person rushes in and hits the player in the circle hard as he can.this is done in rapid succession.you never know where the hit is coming from.its supposedly designed to improve your reaction time.sometimes it was also used as punishment for messing up in practice.they stopped using that drill by time I made it to high school.
Played football from 4 grade through high school. Decided not to try out for the community college team. Said I’m done having headaches after like every practice
Box lacrosse is more violent, field lacrosse which is more streamline has probably one to two large hits per game. There is a way higher chance of getting concussions in football
I played soccer for most my life and I got hit hard in the head with the ball during a game and walked around dazed for a few seconds and continued playing. Confused me
Youth tackle football scares the shit out of me bc I really do love the game - everyone in my family does. I live in Longview, Texas. Longview HS is ranked 1st in Texas 6A and eleventh in the nation right now. They’ve gone to the playoffs every year since 2003. There are 85,000 ppl, a 6A and 5A high school, Longview HS alone has produced 26 NFL players. They currently have 5. Like, nationwide, 1 in 20,000 people will make it to the NFL. 1 in 3000 from here go on to the NFL. So, I can say “I’m not going to let my son play until middle school” all day, but... he’s only 18 months old now. It’s going to be a little harder to argue that point when he’s 7 and he is begging to play bc every other kid he knows is out there running the fucking Oklahoma drill or the gauntlet... bc they do that shit. It’s pretty stupid. I don’t know why kids don’t play flag and then 7 on 7 instead of tackle. Seems like learning a pass heavy fast offense at a young age would be more beneficial. It’s just crazy here though. Patrick Mahomes Jr is from this area. He started working with these conditioning coaches when he was 11 I think. Pretty much all the college players going into the pros get ready for the combine with the same coaches, but they have programs starting for 5 year olds - strength and conditioning for 5 year olds, and it’s like.. like, the competition to get your kids into the best private schools in LA or NYC... we’re getting our 5 year olds ready for the NFL combine. LOL...
I was a bit shocked when Bazooka Joe Valtelieni didnt or wasnt allowed to spar for a while after his title fight (he explains it better in his jre ep i reccomend)
not because they wear protection, because they get hit with protection? an impact to the head would depend on a lot of stuff, whether it was fast, or hard, or if you got embarrassed. A small tap with a little humiliation can do more than a big thump, if you have to fight you'd know it.
Joe if you want to blow the doors off of an issue that's kind of being sat on you need to look into amount of paratroopers, thousands of paratroopers we're going with CTE undiagnosed. Will not connect Anythink CTE related unless there is a roadside bomb attached to it. These men women braids look as you said like walnuts. My doctor for instance told me I've had over 30 concussions from just four years. Something to think about. If you are reading this get your head checked. It could be the reason why you've been fighting depression lack of focus many many many other issues
No cause those hits only happen cause you don’t feel shit compared to ramming your head into someone elses. Remember no one wins in a headbutt but no one loses when football players clash.
Joe just ruined that poor kid's life. He was gonna be a lacrosse player in high school, popular, high self-esteem, get into a good school and join a frat or maybe the club lacrosse team, use his connections to get some type of lucrative finance or business job and have a happy life. Instead he'll try basketball, never see a lick of playing time over Hakeem or Jamal, quit, have low self-esteem, develop a drug problem in college and drop out, and still be waiting tables at 30. Also I'm only projecting a little bit
Your not going into the pork and beans and telling a kid football isn’t your way out they won’t believe you repeat in any other low income housing in any major city
Joe "CTE is the devil but mma should allow headbutts tho" Rogan
Mauro Benedito omg LoL
Lol omg
Dam, he did. But that's not the point he was meaning. This topic is different my boy.
I mean, ufc fighters are fucked anyway so it ain't like headbutts change that
R Nasty some are fucked, not all
"Brendan Schaub's brain looks like a walnut"
-Joe Rogan
If he doesn't have cte, its bc of joe
That explains it.
sofa king cool he definitely has CTE. It will really start showing itself in 15-20 years
Jo Po that was before he got into contact sports
This is no joke! I’m all for letting people be aware of this. Someone very close to me had concussions and died of suicide. He played lacrosse since middle school and passed his sophomore year 4 weeks after a concussion. If only we knew about this maybe we could have helped him. Our lives are forever changed. Hopefully this helps someone anyone because it’s REAL and I wish I wasn’t writing this. But I am so no one has to go thru the heart break or suffering that CTE can cause not to just the athlete but everyone in their life.
CTE - When you get cracked at the 50 and wake up workin' at Denny's.
LOL
fuck dennys bro - theo von
*Wake up with apple sauce and coloring books
I feel bad for that guy. He was all happy for his kid and they just shat on him. Oh well though they were telling him to inform him not to be pricks
Lmfaoo wtf does he have to say about mma??? What if his kid does mma, Joe would be like "oh hell yeah can't wait to see him in da octagon" Lol
oscar soto lol it’s true it’s like joe doesn’t think mma is dangerous when look at chuck liddel. That boy has CTE
@@modaflockur Chuck Liddel is a straight up vegetable these days
He doesn't want to upset big daddy Dana
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I played highschool football, and the team, that I played on, was always the best in the tri-county area. We did insane drills, where players got rocked hard every week. There is NO WAY my teammates don't have CTE. Many times, guys were puking and could barely walk straight, and the coaches always said, "Walk it off." Anything to beat the rival schools. GO PANTHERS!!!
Wow
thats literal brain damage. wow
Damn, that's insane 🤮😳😳
bhs panthers?
I'm suffering bro
Joe is amazed at lacrosse.. imagine if he saw hurling!
YurManDavid there’s a video of him watching it
Hurling would be less violent. The padding in lacrosse let’s you keep throwing head-to-head hits, because the helmet prevents any sort of cuts/bruising on the person initiating the hit.
You would be more likely to leave a hurling match, after a bad hit, than a lacrosse game. Even with the hit being slightly muted by the padding, you are around for longer, so you take more serious hits overall.
My buddies son played lacrosse for 1 year. At one point, 16 out of the ~25, 12-14yr olds players, were out with concussions. Lacrosse is a crazy violent sport, and the padding just makes it appear civilized.
I play hurling and there's barely any concussions in it
Joe Murray you don’t play it right that’s the only problem. Need at least 3 brawls per half.
In hurling you have to be going for the ball. It's not non-contact, but you can't take out the guy to get the sliotar (ball). You don't swing the hurl at the other guy. The helmet hasn't been turned into an offensive weapon like in American Football. Also the player tackling you is usually running in the same direction as you as it's very hard to take a tennis ball size target from someone you're running directly at.
This is why a lot of Jocks from Highscool end up being losers. Al Bundy style due to head trauma and being unstable
Very interesting theory.
I got lacrosse from head trauma CTE
MrJDP327 aww
MrJDP327 naw you’re fine
So simple yet so effective 😂
Joe Rogan " Brendan Schuabs brain is a walnut"
Tom Segura " yeah and if you talk to him, you know "
🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
If you are listening and play high impact sports. Protect your head, make sure you rest after a head knock. Trust me, down the line the problems suck.
I used to play full contact with no pads when I was a kid. I was playing with kids much older than me too. I remember a time in my life when I was a kid when I suffered from migraines and stuff too and I wonder if that was why. The worst part of it is that I didn't even like to play, but that's what all the other kids did so I played.
Joe “I change opinions every week” Rogan
Better than sticking to the same opinion just to save face even though new information exists 😊 Imagine being in a world where changing your opinion is a bad thing. Just shut up lol.
Joe "I criticize football, but promote a sport where the objective is kicking and punching to the face" Rogan
D Wally
The thing is football tries to masquerade itself through the helmets and padding.
I never got blindsided by a guy who has 100 pounds on me when I did MMA and boxing...
True but how often will an MMA fighter get a concussion? Definitely not in training unless an accident and actually rarely in fights, whereas football players get head trauma once or twice a week
And what impacts are harder? Entire body weight into a heavy helmet or fists and feet?
@@anthonyf3960 Are you serious? You obviously never went to a gym if you think they don't get hit in the head when they train. Sparring = getting hit in the head. Getting hit in the head = brain damage. It's literally that simple.
Of the 35ish people in my high school football/soccer team:
7 became straight-up drug addicts, mostly heroin, some are homeless, 3 of them died of drug overdose and/or alcohol poisoning
2 are jailbirds (low-level assault, theft, etc.), 1 is always homeless
2 guys committed suicide (of which one disfigured his pregnant fiancee before he did it)
2 are in mental institutions getting the help they need
1 guy is on bail for some rape/pedophilia-related stuff
1 guy changed his name, got weird plastic surgery, and became a crappy conceptual artist
1 guy joined ISIS, he's probably dead
1 guy became a highly successful attorney (yay!)
1 guy became a local Craigslist scammer
1 guy steals money from his mom to gamble
1 guy built his own million-dollar education company and is my best friend (yay!)
1 guy thinks he's a prophet of God, he's also kinda homeless
And the rest are either leading mundane lives or I can't find them. Many go to therapists, get medicated, etc.
But, hey, we got 3rd in divisionals (for soccer, we stunk at football), so definitely worth it! I'm just glad I was only the guy who controlled the scoreboard computer.
As a sport and an industry soccer is in denial about the risks of head trauma. ALS has been shown to be massively more common in soccer players in Italy, but there's never been a cohort study done on this in the UK. Dementia is also far more common in soccer players but again there's a shocking lack of research.
In truth, the sport doesn't want to know. It's probably worried about the inevitable tsunami of lawsuits.
Dementia is far more common in soccer players than what? Tell me one famous soccer player with punch drunk sydrome
@@Ricardo-mr3bg Look up Jeff Astle. He’s not the only one by a long shot.
Tennis athletic sport no concussions
Tennis is tremendous for the body
You wear out your knees tho
@@johnsoapmactavish9921 if u retire early ur good n i guess everything has risks
I think I'm going to retire from Muay Thai fighting and sparring. I've only trained for the last 3 years but my memory and moods have begun to change. I've had 2 panic attacks in the last year and I've never even remotely showed symptoms before I started training. I originally thought it was from my excessive drinking binges but now I feel this is something that I also have to take seriously
Dude im in the exact same boat. Is this not extremely hard for you to do? Im reallt struggling with making this decision. Ive invested so much time into it
@@1594simonsays It's a very hard decision to make. I haven't trained since November and since then I've made a lot of changes in my life to stop what was happening. I feel much better now, I don't think I have CTE but something wasn't right. It's tough, I was usually sparring 3-4 times a week. There is no exercise like it and I was developing, it's a way of life. I realised something was wrong when my short term memory started to go, I used to have really irrational thoughts and then I would have spells of feeling depressed/ anxious. Eventually I started having panic attacks. I wouldn't wish them on my worst enemy and my advice to you is if you have any doubts, get out. You don't want to experience these symptoms, to know that they could get worse in time and that they are self inflicted.
@@ingrogies1 i agree man. Like you i havent trained for about 6 months now. Same stuff panic attacks, depressive moods, low energy etc. I have had some head injuries that i know of (car accident with subdural hematoma, *blood re-obsorbed back into brain* thank god, and a couple of known concussions) what gets me indecisive about continuing on is the fact that so many thai's have 200+ fights and i wonder if i have depression and anxiety from early trauma from bullying and other events not just the head injury stuff ive been tryinf to pray and have been contemplating this for months now. Truly stressful stuff ... Thats my story to a degree this is one of the toughest decisions I've honestly had to make man because i put my eggs in one basket. Im glad everything is working out on your end...oss
@@1594simonsays Well actually I went up training tonight but I'm only hitting pads from now on. No more sparring. Man, it sounds like you are in a bad place. If you go back training, even if you don't have an injury from sparring you don't need the hassle of having that worry in your head. Maybe take up Ju Jitsu? That has a similar team culture. To be honest I seeked professional help. My issues boiled down to either my excessive drinking (which I also stopped) and head injuries from training.
@@ingrogies1 yeah man ive got some sorting out to do. Im glad to hear you back in the gym though. Im a blue belt in bjj so i might just go that route fulltime but we both know that comes with its fair share of injuries aswell in the long run. But hey thats life. All the best to you man
This is why baseball is the way to go. You have 40 year olds with multimillion dollar contracts that will actually be able to enjoy their retirement because they don’t have brain damage
Unless you get a baseball to the cranium
@@oven88 I´ve seen clips where a guy blows his pitching arm, like really fucks it up. Torn muscles, tendons ripping off the bone, ligaments torn, snapping a slice off the tip of your elbow type of stuff. That shit has got to be painful as hell because you don´t have the same type adrenaline and mindset in a baseball match that you do in football or combat sports, so it´s gotta be even worse. I mean like in a boxing match you know you´re gonna get hurt coz you´re about to fight and your body will try to minimize that, but snapping all of the shit in your arm at once when you think you´re just gonna throw a good pitch? Damn. That experience+the recovery has got to be a pain in the ass(or arm in this case) but I would take that any fuckin day over getting a shin in the head from a professional, that shit can change you completely, forever.
Too bad it's literally the most boring sport and it's completly unwatchable unless you're passed out drunk and don't give a shit about what's happening. Even god damn soccer is less boring to watch with those 0-0 games...
I remember my dad asked me what my dream job was when i was like 9 or 10, and i replied "2nd string right fielder for the red sox". He was so surprised and asked why so i said "I don't have to do much and I get paid a lot." I still stick by that.
Tiramisu #1P4PGOAT Indeed, but that's not what we were talking about. Just about head injuries and career longevity. How can yanks find american football fun when theres like 13 seconds of actual playing every few minutes, and then they say soccer is boring because it's hard to score goals? I've never understood that.
My husband plays rugby league here in New Zealand and the big hits are what people love to see but I always have in the back of my mind about cte hes been playing for years hes had loads of hard head knocks he had a xray once and part of his neck and spine have fused together from the knocks and his head going back
Sorry to say but he has cte and will be hard to deal with as he ages
Is it a chiari malformation? Because thats very dangerous regardless
@@lildude2386 never heard of that before I just googled it and I hope not lol
Joe- the only NFL player i know is Hershel Walker -Rogan
Lmao right
I feel bad for players like Austin Collie. His hit against the Eagles was the only time I actually thought someone died on the field. He had 4 severe concussions in 2 years and was told the next time he gets one it will kill him.
Jermaine Taylor former Undisputed Middleweight Boxing Champ one of the most saddest situations of CTE damage for sure
What. I remember him. Sad ish.🙏
Ammar Z riddick bowe too
Played running back from elementary school through high school. By my senior year even the smallest hits to the head would cause me to get light headed and “see stars”
Damn man, i feel the same except from boxing and not taking enough time to heal. How are you holding up now a days? Any improvements?
CTE is the clique that I claim
Loll jeezy was the fucking man
The guy who makes a living commentating people knocking each other out, is talking about high school sports being dangerous?
I think the perception of it is different.
Like with football you are taking a risk but with boxing and MMA you know you are getting it
Okay?
I played football as WR and but I'm lucky to not get too many helmet to helmet hits. But its really rough for other positions like linemen and RBs.
Slim Charles doesn't matter you still have a high risk of developing cte in the future.
@@ivnnruii7353
That's a possibility, but as science advances I think CTE will be more treatable.
He’s right, every tackle and hit causes at least a small amount of brain damage.
@@fireforce9706 not necessarily. We dont understand cte much. Can be caused by seeing stars and not necessarily concussions. Some guys brains end up being fucked and others are fine.
2010realitycheck Yep, at least a small form of it in their brain. That what I’m trying to say
So maybe this is the reason human history is so violent. They have found bog bodies hundreds/and thousands of years old with healed skull fratures. Massive damage.
Thank you for talking about this. I've set my share of water impulse charges to open a door, and been up close and personal with IEDs. Paul Stamets research into Lion's Mane has been helpful.
I was a 2nd string high school athlete on a good football team. I would play in garbage time when we were so for ahead i couldn't screw it up too bad. I distinctly remember getting knocked the hell out on a kickoff. I remember being on the sideline asking what the hell just happened.
Gotta keep that head on a swivel bro
"...And you talk to him. You kinda know"
LOL
i’ve had 5 concussions from motocross and football combined. Don’t regret a thing, most incredible experiences of my life and so many life lessons learned that i don’t believe you can learn anywhere else. Many things come with sacrifice. If it means my memory becomes shotty and other side effects show up in later in life so be it.
Dude doesnt mean you ll get any damage later. Its more the small, repetitive head Traumata that are dangerous. Anyways wish you all the best. 😊
shit man i played soccer my whole life, played collegiately for 4 years and semi pro for a couple years. I've had more than ten concussions and they definitely have effected me. If soccer can do it i'd hate to think about the damage mma football and lacrosse guys go through
I’ve never played sports have had maybe 5 of them. I’m scared too but shouldn’t be more worried than you. Should I?
Both of you will be fine, Talk with a mental health specialists about it.
Affected
Joe “there’s some brain damage” Rogan
“This hits you don’t see coming” when I was 7th grade I was playing contact football pads and all. As the ref blew the whistle ending the play, somebody charged me head down from behind hitting me in the back of the head with his head. I have never been so mad. No penalty, no nothing
As a D1 FBS defensive lineman that started playing my freshmen year in high school, you were spot on about the college aspect being more physical. You practice every day full speed and work too hard to let your opponent out physical you. You don't even think about those head collisions that occur play after play in the moment. I know I have CTE lol but I realize how much this sport has helped me and can continue to help me that I just don't care
It's nerds trying to take away from what the winners have. Don't let it get to you.
You do your thing bro, you clearly have talent to have made it to where you are but always remember you only have one brain
i used to play lacrosse and most of the people weighed 50 pounds more than me. nearly every time i got bodychecked i would fly 6-8 feet back. lacrosse armor works very well to keep you from getting injured, but holy hell is it dangerous if you are strawweight and nearly everyone else is welterweight.
When i was in high school during football practice I got hit by to senior lineman so hard that I could not get up and could not feel my legs for about 5 minutes.
I was boxing this one dude on his 30s...got caught as I was tossing a hook....got a crazy head rush, felt dizzy, my legs felt like I was drunk, saw stars and heard ringing for the rest of the rd...shits a crazy feeling
I joined my local lacrosse team and just played my 1st game, I heard how rough it was so I was ready. When it started I took out the 3 closest people to me and everything went quiet, then a shuttlecock landed next to my foot.
Alberts stuff hahahaha excellent
Top 10 active fighters to get CTE:
1. Alistair Overeem
3. Eddie Alvarez
3. Justin Gaetje
4. Diago Sanchez
5. Chuck Liddell
6. Wanderlei Silva
7. Robbie Lawler
8. Mark Hunt
9. Chris Leben
10. Michael Bisping
Increase that to 90% of fighters
Why pick out those?
shit, whats your source? not saying I disagree
No source. Just think its highly likely based on their fighting style or the number of times they’ve been knocked out
Heard the other day that HOF Jim Brown as great as he was at Football he was an even better Lacrosse player.
Makes sense when you think about it, considering lacrosse has always been a less competitive sport. Nothing against it but if you take the best athletes from the best college lacrosse program and compare them to bama/Clemson football players it'll be night and day
@@bennyhath1789 football players have to be more athletic than their opponent to win while some lacrosse players can be slower and get good production based off iq and experience.
I think sadly the protection used in American Football actually facilitates this long term brain damage. The sparse rules on tackling rarely change but the padding and protection does - the dangerous nature of the tackles themselves do not change. Compare this to rugby union, legal tackling is constantly changing, the hits are just as big as American football, but the risk of brain damage is far lower.
Yeah, I've heard that taking away the helmets and making the players stand up would change things dramatically.
There will only be more brain damage victims and suicides until it changes
American football players are also faster, bigger, stronger and blacker lol
David Duarte depends on position
Lacrosse is the sport you try to play in the spring football offseason to stay in shape and break your collar bone lmao
Joe "I'm talking out of my ass right now, but I think a doctor would agree" Rogan
i feel like CTE is mainly the lack of oxygen in the brain. In this case the brain isʻnt functioning well. Try holding your breath while putting together a dresser. The longer you hold your breath the more shifty your thoughts gets and you cant think straight. That is EXACTLY💯 how CTE feels like, but it’s all day every day. I believe i have significant CTE i played football 3 yrs in high school 3 yrs in college as a Linebacker and i was the starter all those years. My idols were zach thomas and bill romonowski. As you know thomas and romo tackles a lot with their helmets. Their style embedded in my game and that’s how i played. Iʻve been laying dudes out through my playing days and a good percentage of that were helmet to helmet hits.
I just learned about CTE when i first experience the symptoms and that was after my first college football season. Out of nowhere i felt like i didnt wana be in school, didnt wana be near my friends, felt guilty but didnt know why. I suffered from a kazillion of migranes it felt like through out all these years.
I didnt understand what i was going through until i watched the will smith concussion movie in my dorm
room. Then i thought to myself maybe i have CTE. I researched more about CTE and i found out that everything iʻm going through are CTE symptoms.
Since then ive been thinking A LOT how to deal with it. Iʻve never went to the doctors, i feel like im ashamed of it. Ive always tried to handle it myself and so far i believe it has gotten better. And it has been 7 years since i felt strong sypmtoms of CTE.
I started my recovery by changing my diet even though still today i eat cheeseburgers and hot dogs. But i cut down my eating 50% and and more vegetables and fruits to my diet. A TON of water. Minimize SUGAR.
Im not a super vegan hero but thatʻs kind of where im heading.
I cut 40lbs after i thought i was going to lose it all. Im not doing this just to impress others about my diet and body but im doing it because my life literally depends on it.
Again so far my memory improved but still sucks, thinking kind of stabling, i make my loved ones laugh again now, a lil bit. Overall im glad i can find a little happiness. Thatʻs all i asked for is a sign a little light and iʻll gravitate towards it.
The main thing is oxygen, i can breathe so much better now after i change my diet and lose some weight. Most of the foods we eat are the PROBLEM. This is the reason why iʻm searching for the best diet for my body so it can produce more oxygen cleanly and narurally.
Please if you read this understand that people are going through things dont judge them by their actions but help find light to the root of their problems.
If you have CTE know that youʻre not alone. DO NOT GIVE UP to the mediaʻs portrat of CTE believe that you can erase it and get back HOME. Your diet, wellness, your good habbits, your happiness i believe theyʻre the keys to help with CTE.
May the power of the creator be with you the courageous one. Fight on.
I was dropped on my head when i was 4 months old. I dont know if i have CTE but my memory is weak. I have depression. I get mood swings all the time. I i have migran also
@@user-ez4cp2vh5s I wouldnt call that CTE because CTE is chronic, but its probably head damage
@@roardinoson7 i think you ar right. Soon there will be neurogenesis. Every brain problem will be cured
TUAminator_666 good luck man, hope it all works out for you 👌
You idolize Romo? Yeah, you definitely have CTE
I was a WR who couldnt catch in high school so I didnt take any hits ... Thank God. Sucks for the good players
Donald Wilson Why did the coaches put you at WR if you couldn’t catch lol?
Oleg Usherenko hell of an athlete. Horrid eyesight
I was a db whose nickname was "pbu" or "pass break up" because of how many easily catchable Int's I dropped
Benny Hath lmao same here. I did great at corner bc of my shit hands & eyesight
Joe"Two paper towels" Rogan
Joe “ My kids go to a very nice school” Rogan 🤣
THIS WHY I RATHER HAVE MY KIDS DO BALLET AND BE QUESTIONED ON THEIR SEXUAL ORIENTATION
🙌
Glad I only played full pads 8th and 11th grade. Hard though, because I was obsessed for the longest time with FB more than anyone. Got bell rung once. Til end of junior year, if I ever had any contact to helmet at all, it got sore again in the same spot, middle on top of brain. Through winter and spring, and summer, I noticed it healing for good, not sore anymore. Decided not to play as a senior. Got neck and spine problems anyway from work, bulging discs, occipital neuralgia. Glad I didn't play anymore.
It’s amazing how many injuries that seemed minor at the time (like a concussion or knee injury) slowly exacerbate over time and really affect you at an age where you should still be healthy to the point where you stop being able to do stuff
well if Soccer has high risk of CTE then I guess I won't be coming out of my house ever again to eliminate any chance of CTE lol
Ha no chance of it bro
There is when you are heading the ball.
I think it’s a very small risk only known to cause it in players from back then
Former female boxer here, diagnosed with Traumatic Brain Injury. Now in my 50's, life is not good. Thank you Jesus that I have a great pension, because My symptoms are so severe I am no longer able to work.
How long did you fight for
@@calimyellowface5614 about 5 years (although pension was from career as first responder)
@@bravefitchick7184 was the fighting career worth it.
@@calimyellowface5614 NO, but you could not have told me that at the time. Brain Injury was not talked about as much then
CTE- When you sneeze so hard your vision goes black
Joe (every sport is dangerous but MMA) Rogan
How do u feel about rugby tho? Less head Trama more clean contact
Alec Montminy had more concussions/injuries from league than I have Boxing
The collision especially in league is like no other. Retreating 10 yards means 2 6’4 18 stone props charging into each other is unbelievable. Like being in a car crash. I did my ACL and had 2 concussions. Lucky that allowed me to consider what I was doing and stop before I did real damage
Daniel Mendoza maybe. I am a big guy so was propping. The most physical position. But I’ve had wars in sparring going 90% for 6 rounds as a heavyweight. No damage. It’s a different type of hit you take. Like I say I’m 6’6 and when playing RL I was 17 stone. Now me slamming into another man that size at speed shakes you to your bones. Boxing you can roll the shots and if you’ve got a decent defence you are ok mainly.
@@jamestodd1104 That's what you get for playing rugby league. LOLing @ your life if you don't play rugby union
@@hakobbasilfan4644 What makes rugby union safer? It's good that there are all these alternatives to gridiron football: different kinds of rugby, Australian Rules, Irish/Gaelic Football (seems awesome, with little harsh contact but a lot of shoulder-bumping stuff), etc.
9:16 Savage
Lacrosse and football are not comparable in terms of head trauma. Joe's watching a highlight tape of lacrosse hits misrepresenting the game. A normal game has one or two big hits at most, it's not like the repetitiveness of football, unless you're watching a compilation tape. They've also made the rules restrictive in terms of body checking. NCAA lacrosse in 2019 will probably have fewer concussions than soccer
Idk man I got 12 thru lax, playing over like 7 years. Your right it's not comparable. But it takes one bad one and any knock on the head could potentially give you another one
Gay ass field lacrosse doesn't have much contact but arena lacrosse(the only lacrosse people actually watch) has ALOT of hits and they even fight like in hockey but they're not on skates. There's just as much CTE in arena lacrosse.
SlenderFam 27 did you had any long term symptoms like attention or mood problems afterwards??
Tiramisu #1P4PGOAT only canadians watch that shit its all about college lax
@@AlejandroCab98 we watch hockey to u want to compare foot ball to hockey ? , foot ball is a joke next to hockey
Alternate title “Tom Segura denies CTE diagnosis”
“BOOM”
-Joe Rogan
Tom Segura is the type of acrobat you’d hire in a prison.
Last year i passed out and gave myself a concussion smacking my head on a metal chair. Got in a car accident a couple weeks later. Not bad but another gnarly concussion. I also train so i was getting hit and choked real good nothing too bad tho. Combine all that i could tell very much my functioning was waay down. And i smoke a lot of weed so that helps and makes it worse at the same time lolol thats my story folks
bro u still alive?
I played lacrosse from 3rd grade through college. They really make lacrosse seem like a blood sport it’s pretty soft tbh.
You can definitely get fucked up in high school/college lax
Tom mentioned tennis and it's worth noting that, no, you won't get CTE in that sport, but the knees of a 50+ tennis player are an ugly thing.
Schmuddel
Shit I’d rather have him knees than have trouble forming a sentence
Hockey is where its at, people have died on the ice before.
Next up: New study concludes getting out of bed causes the most common and extreme CTE.
I play lacrosse and I can confirm people get rocked, all the time. Also you're not wearing pads like in football, and the pads you do have are small and thin.
Grew up playing hockey and football could have had a career in either seriously speaking. Up till grade 11 had multiple scholarship offers for both sports and even from American colleges for football and was about to enter the draft for OHL however I received a horrible concussion before and couldn't get cleared then went for a scan and the news was horrible I cant ever play a contact sport again.
How are you feeling today brother? Sorry to hear that
Been playing lax and football since i saw 5. Only had 2 concussions and that was in highschool.
So that means people are faking their brain damage? Fuck outta here with personal tells. Your body can't handle what mine can and vice versa. EVERY one is different and we've shown that a vast majority of people cannot take this kind of abuse.
Edit: for my spelling.
Oh wow you played children's lacrosse and high school football. Your experience sure as hell represents pro football and lacrosse...
@@tiramisu1p4pgoat6 I understand that. Joe's painting a picture that every level of contact sports will give you brain damage and CTE.
@@jordancrass4527 I'm not at all saying I'm superior... Just giving personal anecdotes to show that brain damage isn't as prevalent as people think in sports.
@@cheese4746 It will. If you get hit on the head you get damaged... It's literally that simple. Soccer players have CTE from bumping a soft soccer ball on their head so for sure getting headbutted full blast by a guy sprinting who has 20-80 pounds on you.
When's this being uploaded
I played (cattleball) football from 6th grade to my sophomore year of high school and I’m 18 yrs planning to pursue a serious career in MMA 🙏🏾 fuck I hope I’m not all fucked up when I’m old🙏🏾🧠
L Ysi just train and fight smart and you should be alright. Same here btw but I’m 21
I got CTE from watching idubbbztv
Rogan is so obsessed with CTE cuz deep down he’s concerned he’s gonna have it
He's actually pretty sure he already has it. He's talked in depth about how he would go home and couldn't sleep due to how bad his headaches were from getting head kicks.
@@stepheneldridge3637 Is that really true? I know he said he stopped fighting when he was like 20 so it wasn’t a long stretch of time. Then again that was his life so i’m sure he took enough blows to the head and possibly had at least one concussion.
I play both lacrosse and football and football is way way worse I’ve had some rly bad hits in football and have struggled to walk before after a hit but I’ve never had anything close to that in lacrosse and bad head injuries aren’t nearly as common in lacrosse as football
I had a completely different picture of lacrosse in my head. Didn't think at all that it could be a contact sport. I'd thought it was more like floorball.
Reason why he didnt mention mma is because parents already know my mom was even hesitant to put me in boxing but getting bullied at school set that as a last resort but most parents ignorantly put their kids in football not knowing you get cte in fighting everyone always mentioned Muhammad ali its a given
Field lacrosse is different, you can still hit other players but to a lesser degree, box lacrosse is a lot more contact plus it’s a smaller area you have to play, but even then it’s mostly hard cross checks and slashes, youll still definitely see people get laid out but because that’s not the main objective of the game
Whenever I use to hear people say “I’d never let my child play football, it’s dangerous” I’d always think to myself “Jesus Christ, get a fucking grip” but not anymore after all this stuff we now know about concussions and CTE
I played defensive end and tight end from 6 all through high school and never realized how many concussions I had until I started listening to joe talk about it
Edit: just heard Tom talk about blindsiding people and this isn’t something I’m proud of nowadays but I used to be the KING of ear holing mfs lol dirty move tho, I was a dick
Lacrosse is bad ass
R.I.P Stan Lee 😢
It's suspected that I have cte..of course a definitive diagnosis can only be made after death. but I have all the classic symptoms of cte.. they are getting to the point in the medical field that it will be diagnosed before death.. let me tell you I love sports and was very dedicated to it .as much as I love sports I'm living with the results and it's not good..I'm living with an uncertain future.im 50 years old and don't know if at some point I'll even recognize my own children.. when you're faced with that possibility your opinions change..I used to look at it in a non chalant way but not today.i don't even follow mma any longer..it's time we look at things differently in society as far as competitive sports.
What did you do to make you think you have cte
@@creativeape8994 I played football from little league all through high school.ive had numerous concussions playing football.in one game I was knocked unconscious.next morning I woke up with blood on my pillow that had came from my ear .I had no recollection of even playing the game.i thought the game was that night my mother had to tell me that I had played the game the night before..besides football I was knocked out on the baseball field once in a game as well.i had numerous concussions playing sports not to mention the smaller blows that didn't result in obvious concussions.i have seen doctors and I am showing all the classic symptoms of cte.i have spoken to the neurologist at great length about it .one last thing when I was playing football in little league and in middle school there was a drill we did in practice called bull in the ring where the team gets in a circle and the coach places one player inside that circle and each player in the circle is given a number and the coach calls a number and that person rushes in and hits the player in the circle hard as he can.this is done in rapid succession.you never know where the hit is coming from.its supposedly designed to improve your reaction time.sometimes it was also used as punishment for messing up in practice.they stopped using that drill by time I made it to high school.
Played football from 4 grade through high school. Decided not to try out for the community college team. Said I’m done having headaches after like every practice
Box lacrosse is more violent, field lacrosse which is more streamline has probably one to two large hits per game. There is a way higher chance of getting concussions in football
6:58 was this player in question Tyler Hilinski?
What happened to the original podcast, can't find it anymore
I played soccer for most my life and I got hit hard in the head with the ball during a game and walked around dazed for a few seconds and continued playing. Confused me
same I'm pretty sure that happens to everyone thats played though that and heading a really hard ball incorrectly and feeling a little dizzy.
Youth tackle football scares the shit out of me bc I really do love the game - everyone in my family does. I live in Longview, Texas. Longview HS is ranked 1st in Texas 6A and eleventh in the nation right now. They’ve gone to the playoffs every year since 2003. There are 85,000 ppl, a 6A and 5A high school, Longview HS alone has produced 26 NFL players. They currently have 5. Like, nationwide, 1 in 20,000 people will make it to the NFL. 1 in 3000 from here go on to the NFL. So, I can say “I’m not going to let my son play until middle school” all day, but... he’s only 18 months old now. It’s going to be a little harder to argue that point when he’s 7 and he is begging to play bc every other kid he knows is out there running the fucking Oklahoma drill or the gauntlet... bc they do that shit. It’s pretty stupid. I don’t know why kids don’t play flag and then 7 on 7 instead of tackle. Seems like learning a pass heavy fast offense at a young age would be more beneficial. It’s just crazy here though. Patrick Mahomes Jr is from this area. He started working with these conditioning coaches when he was 11 I think. Pretty much all the college players going into the pros get ready for the combine with the same coaches, but they have programs starting for 5 year olds - strength and conditioning for 5 year olds, and it’s like.. like, the competition to get your kids into the best private schools in LA or NYC... we’re getting our 5 year olds ready for the NFL combine. LOL...
CTE affects the brain ?? What are the side affects
How old is Joe Rogan?... He just made Hershal Walker as a reference.
Phoenix Thomas 50
Not a merc btw you missed the boat bro
Alejandro Arevalo way to literal, thanks for the bio lesson though.
MegaSkilla I was referencing how Walker has not been relevant in football since the early 90s. You watch too much Joe Rogan.
Phoenix Thomas bro you asked a question we answered.. what do you expect😂
I was a bit shocked when Bazooka Joe Valtelieni didnt or wasnt allowed to spar for a while after his title fight (he explains it better in his jre ep i reccomend)
not because they wear protection, because they get hit with protection? an impact to the head would depend on a lot of stuff, whether it was fast, or hard, or if you got embarrassed. A small tap with a little humiliation can do more than a big thump, if you have to fight you'd know it.
Joe probably just watched a compilation.Lacrosse is not as violent as football
You ever watched arena lacrosse??
Tiramisu #1P4PGOAT thats not the high school sports version though
8:00 and after is what interested me most.
Joe if you want to blow the doors off of an issue that's kind of being sat on you need to look into amount of paratroopers, thousands of paratroopers we're going with CTE undiagnosed. Will not connect Anythink CTE related unless there is a roadside bomb attached to it. These men women braids look as you said like walnuts. My doctor for instance told me I've had over 30 concussions from just four years. Something to think about. If you are reading this get your head checked. It could be the reason why you've been fighting depression lack of focus many many many other issues
Without helmets people would be dying from the hits you take in football, the helmets help SIGNIFICANTLY.
That's not Joe's point tho. His point is that all those sub-concussive hits give you CTE over time. It won't straight up kill you.
No cause those hits only happen cause you don’t feel shit compared to ramming your head into someone elses. Remember no one wins in a headbutt but no one loses when football players clash.
You should have a lacrosse goalie on, 120 mph shots from hard rubber balls to the shins, those guys are NUTS
Joe just ruined that poor kid's life. He was gonna be a lacrosse player in high school, popular, high self-esteem, get into a good school and join a frat or maybe the club lacrosse team, use his connections to get some type of lucrative finance or business job and have a happy life. Instead he'll try basketball, never see a lick of playing time over Hakeem or Jamal, quit, have low self-esteem, develop a drug problem in college and drop out, and still be waiting tables at 30. Also I'm only projecting a little bit
Your not going into the pork and beans and telling a kid football isn’t your way out they won’t believe you repeat in any other low income housing in any major city
DizzyDez90 bro... Punctuate that word vomit so we have somewhat of an idea of what your saying
You don't make sense.
You don't make sense.
Pork and Beans is a low-income housing project in Miami. I thought it was demolished.
My fault pork and beans is a project in Miami where dozens of football players have come out of
So what is Joes conclusion about mma? Its safer than lacrosse?