Former Southern Baptist Father Struggling with Fear of Hell | Josh - TN | Atheist Experience 21.26
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- The Atheist Experience 21.26 for July 2, 2017 with Matt Dillahunty and John Iacoletti.
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I was raised southern baptist. I was in my late 20s when I began to realize it was all bs. I was ashamed of myself for being so gullible for so long. Even now later in life the irrational fear of hell haunts me sometimes...
may i ask how old you are? i’m 22 now, still deconstructing.
Sorry to hear bro,hope you are well and getting it together ,find some kindred athiests and debrief. Lots of cheers Mick.
Watch a lot of near death experience videos/testimonies/scientific studies. I think it would help you feel better about that - or at least give some measure of hope that your fears may be unnecessary. I was also raised in the Southern Baptist Church, but I now see it with adult eyes, with reason. There were some good things and some bad things. I think the number one good thing is treat others the way you want to be treated. I now believe love and kindness are the only things that matter. We don’t need all the formal rules and regulations. In fact, a lot of times, they can get in the way of love and kindness.
This is why shows like this need to exist.
More proof that this type.of upbringing is abusive
I no longer believe in god because I had two death experiences, my heart stopped for over 4 minutes each time, no heartbeat, no respiration. The doctor told me I had died. What I experienced convinced me that there is no afterlife in any heaven or hell. I actually feel more at peace with life and death than I ever felt in the years when I was going to church and I'm no longer afraid of death.
@Jimmy Lopez i believe what a person experiences when their heart stops depends on several things, for example, are you asleep or awake (I was asleep the first time and wide awake the second), are you drugged or in shock (I was neither each time). There is also the fact that every persons brain is wired differently, therefore you will not have the same experience. What happens to the brain and body when they are deprived of oxygen must also be taken into account. I don't remember anything about the first time, total blank. The second time it wasn't what I saw that affected me (I did see a few lights before everything went blank), it was what I felt. The only way I can describe it is "unimaginable euphoria". The point is everything eventually goes black, but, you don't know it.
You weren't dead you fool. Neardeath, possibly but you DID NOT die and come back.
Mosy Williams neither did your Jesus
@@douglasbright8957 Being foolish you are. Time is ticking and you should get saved.
@@douglasbright8957 LOL GOTEEM
Sure, it was for his "dad", just like this "liquor" is for my "friend"
Lol. Yes of course. My uh.. buddy was looking at stuff on my computer, really scandalous women behaving really scandalously. My wife saw it and I had to tell her all about my depraved friend. How was I to know? He said he wanted to shop for a gift for his mom! He's not welcome on the computer anymore. Too bad I have alot of bad friends!!
In the event we're wrong, the positive side of hell is that you won't be around the sadistic a$s that created the world and sits back and watches it all and knew you'd go there in the first place.
Naw God is good
Saving a drink for you when I see you there edboy!! /cheers
The fact that the strongest, clearest and most straight forward message a divine revelation can convey is not about love but conveniently about eternal damnation speaks heavily about religion, society and the human mind.
The fire of hell will not hurt you. Fire hurts only you have nerves. When dead you cannot have any nerve and the lake of fire cannot harm you.
@@1sgr1999 what does that even mean!
Lol
Personal revelation is non-falsifiable, which removes the question from any sort of rational examination. Your only hope is to point out that personal revelation is used to justify literally every belief going, including beliefs that contradict the speaker's. If they express doubt about that contrary belief, ask how anyone can tell the difference between a false revelation and a true one.
Josh, what a great lad we have here.. doing what he can to help his Dad.. You have my respect. Here's another way of thinking about this issue. Put yourself in a gods shoes, what would you care most about.. what a person believed? or how a person conducted himself regardless of belief? Thus would you be prepared to condemn this nice guy because he has a different opinion to yours?
Also, if you can shed the belief in a particular god, what reason would you have to believe anything taught by his followers to be true? I understand it is difficult to get over the fear of hell, but I would suggest reviewing the other beliefs you dropped to see how many you now realize to be untrue.
I know for a fact that the flying spaghetti monster is real and true. I have seen him and he has spoken to me. He told me if I fail to believe in him i will be cooked in marinara sauce for eternity.
Hail the spaghetti monster. He boiled for our sins.
I for one welcome our noodly appendaged overlord.
Is this another religion someone "cooked up?"..
Ask them how do they know that it is the God of the bible speaking to them?
If you ask the quarreling kids who started it, they will both most likely be sincere in their belief that the other started it, and so neither will actually be lying in their own estimation. If one did actually start it, he or she has probably rationalized the truth from his or her mind and now sincerely believes he/she is innocent.
I'm 68 and I don't even like grownups!
Answer this one question.. Please.. "If god exists yet he cannot protect children from being sexually abused in his own place of worship then what good is he?"
THE HELL DON'T WORRIES THEM???????????????
The source of the evil is man, not God. God granted man free will...the ability to choose. If we did not have free will, we would be...well...robots. God's behavioral commandments are pretty clear in Scripture. Who is really misbehaving, man or God?
@@jamesgossweiler1349 god has a plan if he is omniscient. He already know what happens. So he let it happen? And free will isnt real. Are brain already chooses seconds before we actually dom so freewill does not exist.
Yes, God is sovereign. He not only lets deaths happen, he causes some. However, God also creates life. All that we see, hear, feel, taste, touch, and experience. Life is renewed. We don't love and cherish that which lasts forever...we love and cherish those things we know won't last forever and we would lose in an instant. Yes, free will is real...God just already knows what choices we are going to make.
If a god created us it seems like it wouldn't have created anything except us, more like alien's taking monkeys dna and making us. It seems to make more sense that it was a smart creature that simply made us. not a god that would live forever, created the universe and galaxies and is giving us an afterlife if we read his old ass book. If a human makes it off of Earth and creates a conscious being on a different planet that person would be God and for the next two thousand years people would fight over who created them not knowing that humans do die and do give little fucks about anything let alone giving something and afterlife after giving it life in the first place. can you see how stupid it would be to ask the scientist that gave you life to give you an afterlife too. That's god, that is what your asking because empires and governments and popes and people and religions have taught you that you are special you are not you are ungrateful
James Gossweiler maybe so but really if you saw a child getting molested you would stop it right? Would it be moral to sit and watch a child get molested??
Hey theist: Of the three trees growing together there in the meadow.....what does the middle tree mean?
I was gardening and then abducted by aliens.
Watch the documentary Zeitgeist, you won't be worried about religion in the slightest after that.
It is a load of old cack.
It mixes in a few facts with much misinformation and bullshit, and ties together things not really warranted. I would watch or read a decent critique either before or after watching it.
@@rationalmartian you should probably offer some specific points about the religion parts being wrong
I guess there's nothing you've been able to find, you've had a week.
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I had an amazing revelation one day. God wasn't real. My life, my moral focus, my family focus, work, everything has been better ever since. Life is precious and wonderful, and short. Peace.
Christianity is the religion where the Bible is the infallible word of an all knowing and good god. So, all you have to do to show it isn’t true, is show that one thing in the Bible doesn’t make sense. And a lot of things in the Bible don’t make sense.
Could you give me some examples please? I’m an atheist now but I’m having panic attacks multiple times a week from the idea of hell after being raised up in the religion
it makes sense if you read it.start in mark.small easy book.
My dad died more than 12 years ago.
Since then, I've seen him.
He was standing next to me in the restroom of a motorway service station.
He left before me. I ran out to find him, but he disappeared.
I've seen a few of your comments on other videos and enjoyed your comments. Could you expand on what you mean? You think you hallucinated your dad? You believe you saw a spirit?
I get what you wrote, I just don't understand what you think about what you saw.
@@aceofleaf606
I saw someone who looked like my father.
I wanted It to be him.
Wouldn't that be great !
Hint: People thought they saw Jesus alive after he died.
A loving God forces you to believe in spirits or suffer forever. True action of of love. Try telling your spouse to love you or you will punish them even if it's not forever. Betting it doesn't sit well with them and they agree with me it's not an action of love
Faith,fear and funds the ultimate trinity.
Irrational fear as an atheist
So do atheist still believe in a soul? This spirit is as much fiction as heaven.
6:58 A couple of times a week, lol
I come from a religious family but listening to this is nuts…even my religion would never dare to make people think they would go to hell and suffer for eternity simply for not believing in God. So sad…
Religion your family in?
@@alskdjfhgqzwez6723 Sikhism
Hey, there are people who have actually died and have been brought back to life by medical technology - and in rarer cases, naturally. Some of them experienced things - and most notably, gained provable information from the living environment - while they were dead. So, to me, those instances are our best information about the afterlife. In particular, the scientifically based studies on those cases.
If you dont fear Hell, you can bet your ass your going there. So, dont forget to write.
I feel so sorry for everybody who ever met you
I fear it
I fear hell all the time I don't want to go there
'666' 👹 thumbs up 😂
Pheeew! 😂😂
@SS 1964 and you, great to chat!
You are a child of the devil. That includes Atheists, Muslims,Buddhists, any one in this dispensation who isn't born again by the Spirit of God. So, it's not unordinary for you to post about 666 in that way. It's a shame that you did that.
@@Hollypenopepper You're a moron. And you should believe the truth.
Screw you Satan
I believe in God or some higher power on the account I had visions of something or someone up there in the universe but I do agree I could be wrong also I like matt and the other guy they seem very logical and nice :)
Well then you're incredibly irrational
@@wesleyAlan9179 both side can be seen as silli really.
@@SolidRock008 less irrational than those who say they cannot be wrong.
religion like science is guesses based on special people with educations
Foolishness
Calling a team of atheists with soteriological questions is like asking a pastry chef for tips on how to design an aircraft wing.
Only if the pastry chef you asked was doing the pastry for the challenge or enjoyment, say on a busman's holiday, and was actually an accredited aircraft design engineer.
Or are you SERIOUSLY attempting to suggest the answers they gave are in some way analogous to what a typical pastry chef would give on the questions of designing an aircraft wing?
Are you a believer by any chance? As believers tend to struggle mightily with analogies for some unknown to me reason.
I was actually referring to Matt...who's got nothing more than a high school diploma.
@@jamesgossweiler1349 and yet Matt has more logic and more information than the "educated" theists he debates.
I'm not sure if you're aware of this but like the majority of call-in shows like this it's edited to create the impression that all people of faith are uneducated, crazy people. It's designed to entertain you, not present a realistic portrayal of the subject matter. Matt has a high school diploma and through this program feeds the discontent of a certain segment of the population...there are no grand revelations occurring here. There are no educated theists calling in...haven't you noticed?
@@jamesgossweiler1349 actually I'm referring to his debates that aren't on this show. Why don't you call his show and give it a whirl ?
Dont chance it.Ask JESUS TO SAVE YOU.
I think i will pass.
@Dirk Knight have you read the bible to understand why he came?
Should we also wear garlic around our necks just in case vampires are real?
What if the Zoroastrians are right? Jesus isn't going to help you then.
By that logic I need to believe in every religion then
these guys are real know- alls...they set up the straw man that ALL Christians believe in eternal hell and the Bible conclusively teaches eternal hell and they are wrong on BOTH counts.
Even if all Christians didn’t believe in that type of hell, his dad did, and that was what the call was about.
Every Christian has their own god, their own Jesus and their own Christianity.
They are speaking to a specific person about a specific experience.
The Bible does actually support conditional immortality/annihilationism rather than eternal torment. But with the exception of Jehovah's Witnesses and Seventh Day Adventists, the vast majority of Christians still believe in eternal torment.
I think it's a fair point, they may potentially go too far sometimes in assuming that the callers' understanding of Christianity is like their own. (Generally I think they try to be careful about that)
Though personally, I was taught about hell. I was never taught that the bible said anything other than that sinners die and go to hell forever, and I never read the bible with a critical enough eye to question the information of conclusions I was given. Maybe that's on me? But that was the de-facto position of my church at least. Thankfully, while there was a time I believed enough to see heaven and hell as real, I never developed an intense fear of hell.