I don't know about u guys but if heaven n hell is real, I want to go where Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, Matt Dillihunty, Sam Harris, Lawrence Krauss, Aronra, Dan Dennett, and Phil Mason go. I definitely don't want to spend eternity with people like Ray Comfort, Kent and Eric Hovind.
Sideburner you keep thinking like that and you will be there asap,sir,let me appeal to your mind about this, do you realize that it takes more faith to believe what they teach than the precious word of God,DNA was the death of eviloution you better wake up God is good and he is for real.
RS, the "concept of eternal torture" IS in the bible, thanks to Jesus, who promised it to those who failed to believe his message. He said this: "I tell you the truth, just as you did not do it for one of the least of these, you did not do it for me." Scripture continues: "And these will depart into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.” Source: Matthew 25:41-46.
How did I "cherry pick"? You made a single unqualified claim that the bible never mentions eternal torture. I showed you something that you were unaware of; namely that at least one time the bible mentions the concept. I said nothing else outside of that narrow question, except to point out in this post that you were perhaps ignorant about this part of the gospels.
***** When I see hypocrisy, I point it out. Do you kill rebellious children when they curse you (Lev 20:9, Lev 21:18-21)? This is a law that Jesus supported, according to Mark 7:9-10. What about 1 Timothy 2:12, that says that no women may have any authority whatsoever? And of course, let's not forget 1 Peter 2:18, which tells slaves to submit to their masters, even cruel ones. This stuff isn't just in the Old Testament, there's archaic bullshit in the New Testament as well. As for eternal torture, it's all over the Bible. Matthew 25:46 is just one example, and there are several "weeping and gnashing of teeth" passages all over the New Testament. Just go look for yourself. Atheists don't cherrypick from the Bible. We equally disbelieve all of it, and don't accept the claim that any of it is the word of God. When we single out passages like this, it's to point out how Christians often ignore them and act as if the Bible doesn't command them to kill their disobedient children and submit to injustice. You won't see atheists railing against "love thy neighbor," because that part of the Bible isn't harmful. You see us calling out the archaic, barbaric bullshit splattered throughout the book that many Christians seem to turn a blind eye towards, as if they weren't supposed to regard it as the infallible word of God.
1. I did not "twist a bible verse" that I "think is negative." I quoted the EXACT words from the NET bible, and never commented on whether I think it's "negative." Why do you dispute the words? 2. I did not "leave out a few words," either. The words are verbatim from the NET bible. 3. I admit that I said you were ignorant of the text, and perhaps I was wrong about that. My only other plausible guess to account for your claim is that you are lying--perhaps to yourself-- about the text, but I chose to give you the benefit of the doubt. I still suspect, however, that you made an honest mistake. After all, you have a record of distorting what I've said--event though my words are here on this board in black and white! 4. Now that we have established that my narrowly-focused comment did not "cherry-pick," may I ask you what my "agenda" is? I only know that I seek truth and to correct error. If you have actual evidence for what you have accused me of, I sincerely ask you to share it. And if you have evidence that the part of the bible I quoted is not part of Christian scripture, I again sincerely ask you to show that evidence. And if you do, I promise that will admit my error.
Can a single minor sin be worth an infinite punishment? I mean, suppose a man disobeys a "keep off the grass" sign. Does your sense of justice demand he be set on fire and burn for the next trillion years? If you can say yes to that, I submit that it says more about your character than it does about justice.
bulldogsbob Ah, sin. The arbitrary, nonsense rules with which God so generously gave to us in the first place. Picking up sticks on the Sabbath... Surely a quality reason to be put to death. At least that poor fool won't roast in hell for the sin of picking up sticks! He has to wait a couple thousand years until gentle Jesus arrives to implement the punishment of hell.
@@davidhatcher7016 ua-cam.com/video/wkRxGAhVqmc/v-deo.html I believe the Bible does consistently teach that unbelievers will stop to exist after the judgement. I think also that the mainstream dogma of hell is THE most evil teaching I have ever heard of. A just God could not create such a infinite torture. This teaching has made many atheists...
@@chris-nj3vg Very consistently: just one of many examples of the inconsistency around what hell is: Matthew 8:10-12 10 When Jesus heard this, he was amazed and said to those following him, “Truly I tell you, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith. 11 I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. 12 But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. So, you believe that the bible consistently doesn't teach what it says here. Next you'll be telling us it consistently doesn't say that Jesus was born before and after 1AD and that it doesn't say Jesus died both before and after easter.
crystalheart9 you should greatly fear hell and demons it is reality, and i can testify to you, awaken to truth reality written pray repent, its Time, linked vids my account
He also has Eidetic Memory. But does glance at the few notes he has. He can also remember exactly what you said and repeat it from several minutes ago. He is brilliant
@jool7793 Wow, way to diminish someone's skill and value. I hope you don't have children because they fundamentally *hate you* for saying this kind of thing. I hate my own mother for the same reasons and I have for my entire life. I'm 45 and I no longer speak to her. Please learn some basic human respect.
The sad and truly horrific thing is I think a lot of evangelical/fundamentalist are secretly turned on by the idea of people who disagree with them burning in hell forever.
@@samhhaincat2703 completely disagree, theyre saying its a skill that can be learned. im sorry if that takes away some of the "magic" but theyre saying matt learned how to do it, and you can too. thats A) pretty cool for matt, that he got so good at it, and B) inspiring to others, saying you can do it too. crazy you can assume that person lacks human respect. seems like you have some unresolved issues.
+australianews "I woke up at around ten but i know others that are still going to church today." You can still make 11am mass if you hurry, even if you did wake up at around 10! :D /rimshot
It's kind of funny isn't it? I had an imaginary friend when one as a small child.. and I was so confused. You see, when I grew up and stopped believing in imaginary friends, I didn't understand why the adults and teachers I was supposed to revere and look up to still hadn't gotten there yet. XD
The thing i hate the most is the brain washing of children. It is the brainwashing of adults to believe in ideas like life emerging on our planet from an assumed act of Abiogenesis that gets me-especially when science has never to date even once observed a single act of Abiogenesis. Without such an observation, I am left to wonder what factual basis an Atheist can employ to explain why life exists on this planet. On the other hand, science does observe billions upon billions upon billions of acts of Biogenesis (life gives rise to life) occuring on our planet. Every day we observe more examples of Biogenesis across numerous species. Of course, that is exactly the sort of thing we would expect to see if a living God gave rise to life on our planet: the kind of act of Biogenesis explained in the Bible. But, what are billions of supporting examples of that idea when Atheists have 0 acts of observed Abiogenesis to hang their hat on to compare against?
@@coreybray9834 super weak argument - not being able to prove the origin of life doesn't magically make any of the religions even remotely legitimate, at most it makes you a deist.
I became a Christian one day before my 13th birthday. I heard a sermon about hell at a church camp and it scared the crap out of me. But then when I was 23 and started questioning religion, the only thing that kept me clinging onto Christianity was the fear of hell. Luckily I had been watching Matt and other UA-cam atheists at the time and they helped me let go of that fear. And even the fear of dying and just not existing anymore.
Michael die without Jesus and you will go to hell and as it is described in the Holy Bible warning after warning you will be terrified . All of the unbelief in the world will not make hell disappear or go away . Life is so short once we die it is to late if you die without Jesus those are just the facts u may not like it but that does not change anything Jesus loves you Michael . Only 2 choices when we die heaven with Jesus hell without Jesus we are making that choice in this life choose wisely once we die it is to late . Jesus loves you Michael .
It's okay to be unafraid of dying or a bad afterlife, but sin you should never be unafraid of. It causes MAJOR damage on this earth whether you believe in an afterlife or not. Be afraid of becoming even a mild evildoer, because it can happen surprisingly easily. Heavy drinking and sleeping around are extremely popular, and they cause immense damage for folks that play around with them too much. Not only to them, but to their whole circle of influence.
+byron2521 it incentivises a belief in anything. "follow me and you'll receive infinite gain! if you don't, you'll receive infinite punishment!" its so elementary and childish. there are an infinite number of fathomable "hells" or punishment/reward systems i could come up with. if you insert them into pascal's wager, you could simeltaneously be believing in two contradictory statements.
: Yep, the many meanings of hell that have been perverted: (Your's) Hel - the goddess of the Nordic underworld of the dead, who put the dead in a large pot. (The original English) hell - Just a cave or a hole in the ground. Later perverted into the Sheol of the mostly Old Test. bible (Hebrew place of the dead, or just grave). Early English used to talk of putting their potatoes in HELL! This simply meant storing them underground in a root cellar. So, yeah... it's pretty easy to see where this all comes from, if you do your homework outside of the K.J. bible itself. The K.J. writers just went through and edited the English HELL wherever they saw, Sheol, Hades (in the Greek N.T.), or Tartarus (also N.T. Greek).
@@chadrasmussen1154 SAME... Like I still want to be who I am and do my own thing because Jesus Christ already has me covered right? Why should I be working more... I know I sound lazy but c'mon these sounds so hard and depressing either way.. like a lose lose game... "Life"
It’s ironic how my church’s pastor did a sermon on “luke-warm” Christians- and that is when I had the greatest, most undeniable feeling I had ever had in my “faith”... I left the church and began my transition to atheism. While I didn’t know Matt Dillahunty at the time, these challenges and questions (I now know,) were exactly the things that made me a lukewarm Christian. It makes so much sense looking back. Absolutely, undoubtedly the best thing that ever happened for me. I thank my old pastor at the time for giving that sermon. He ironically freed me.
@@_t_f_ woop woop, welcome back to reality! The world isn't as bad now as the Bible makes it out to be. I now truly like all people (that's the starting position at least) and not only xtians.
Stan Staniboy thanks! Yeah I’ve been an atheist (or I suppose you could say agnostic), for roughly 10 years now.. I agree with you- I truly appreciate people & the world more now. I take more responsibility for my actions and inaction. I feel like I can engage and evaluate the world so much more clearly now and it’s incredible. *Atheism/Agnosticism- 10/10, would recommend.*
The Protestant or even Orthodox Christian problem with Hell is that they think of it as a place with a postcode. Hell is of course a state of mind. So is Heaven. You don`t have to believe in either
Ok God cannot force you to believe all he can do is warn you about hell the lake of fire . Your belief hell is real is not required . If you die without Jesus Christ you will go to hell the Lake of fire . You may not like the idea but that is what the Bible teaches . {Rev 20:15 All names not found in the book of life were cast into the lake of fire .} Only one verse and warning of many verses about hell . Jesus is the way the truth and the life . Jesus loves you .
@@Scoobydcs {John 3:36 He who has the son has eternal life, he who does not have the son the wrath of God abides on him .} God wants you to follow and love him because you want to . Not because you have to . God did not create robots . God gives us a choice . God also warns us verse after verse about rejecting his only begotten son The Lord Jesus Christ and what awaits unbelievers when they as we all will die . God is all powerful omnicient and omni present . Make no mistake again unbelief cannot change the truth . Thank you for your comments I hope you have a great night . Jesus loves you .
@@christianjames7210 he wants me to love him or hel burn me forever. Nah il pass on that thanks. And even that disgusting behaviour assumes gods exists in the 1st place. Before you say anything else you have to start there
@@christianjames7210 GOD KELLED HIM SELF A COUPLE OF DAYS. Just to build a great lake of fire for you believers who screw up to burn for ever and ever and ever eternity WHY? Because he loves you.
@Goroei Noble Nah, people go to hell for their wrong-doing, not because they've not heard about Jesus. Everyone has God's moral law imprinted on them, no one has an excuse. God will judge those people according to what they do know, not by what they dont know.
We as humans, now judge God. God stands before the council of mankind. He has many things to answer for. Genocide; destruction on a cataclysmic scale; punishing people with infinite torture for finite, non-crimes; bringing nearly incalculable suffering... The problem is we can't track down this celestial criminal. All we've found is some notebook, supposedly written by his adherents, some delusional people, and a few landmarks that take us nowhere. If you have any information regarding this outlaw, please send it to your local Makse department. Along with this notice, keep a watchful eye out for what are called "Apologists". We're not sure what their intention is by doing so, but notice that they call themselves Apologists. What are they apologizing for? We'll keep you updated in our search.
@@makse10 That's hilarious, your standard for judging morality is God himself. Your morality comes from God. I think if you stood before your maker you would see how ridiculous your attempts to judge him are. That said - Judgment, if God wants to judge you and others for horrific crimes then he is entitled. He's the boss not you, your morality against his pales into insignicance. You just think your sins are no big deal because you judge yourself against the wrong standard. God aint gonna appear to you and argue his case. In his infinite wisdom he uses other ways to reveal himself to humans, many ways, but not the ways you might want. Tough, God is the boss not you. He has given you more than enough to reveal himself to you. If you prefer wilful blindness and suppression of the truth, dulling yourself to that voice on the inside and the many other ways God speaks, well that's on you. "The fool says in his heart there is no God." Atheists only exist this side of the grave. If they stay that way they wake up in a nightmare that never ends. They dont have to, but they dont want to follow the way of the master of the universe, so deserve what comes next (which is in any case not what God, or any apologist, wants for them). Apologists do what they do to save your skin, not because they love the anal shallow criticisms that so many atheists fire at them.
Ryan Walsh I have friends who say "oh you haven't studied the Bible so you don't know what you're saying". Then I ask them about slavery and all the other immoral parts of it and they just say "oh that's the Old Testament, we don't look at that". If you cherry pick your supposed "ultimate word of God" then it shows how bullshit it is
@bruce marshall Well that's totally uncalled for an rude. All he said was that there was no god. How is that a bad thing? Some people just aren't convinced a god exists. Also, he wasn't saying that's what hell was. He was just saying if those people were right, we are already are living in hell. Not that they were right. Do you know what "if" means, dumbf*ck?
@@danielbartholomew4037 Let's use our reasoning for a second. The Bible states that Hell is a place of utter darkness & eternal torment. He states that "if those people are right, we are already in Hell"... 🤔. Does that make any sense? Which of us is in eternal torment?
Tom Palmer God's Kingdom will not be defiled and made lowly, nor will, them that reject him inherit it, humble yourself pray repent whats to come upon many will he because of themselves linked vids my account
I am an atheist who was (partially-)raised as a Christian - we bounced around to different churches, including Presbyterian, Methodist, and two different Baptist churches - and I have an interesting anecdote to share: The final church that I attended was a Baptist church, and I went there from the ages of 11-13. I already *knew* at this point that "God" was nothing more than "Santa Claus for adults", but I just *wanted* so badly to believe - because the church functions for kids were a lot of fun lol... However, nomatter how hard I tried, I could not force myself to believe something for which there was no evidence - nomatter how badly I wanted to. So I actually took my concerns to my "Sunday-School" "teacher" - I came to him, this little 12-year-old child, and told him that I simply could not believe in God, that I simply could not possibly believe in anything for which there was no scientific evidence (I was basically begging him to just *show* me ANY evidence...) - and do you want to know what he told me? He literally *said the words* "Fake it 'til you make it"...! ...And, sadly enough, I did keep trying to force myself to believe in that shit for another year before I finally realized that I was simply too intelligent to force myself to believe/support something that is false.
@@TheAvaricious. You need to be more specific. Anyone can say anything, it doesn't make it true. And even if they had an experience it doesn't mean it was Christ Himself. There are other possibilities that can trick people about what they experienced. It's not that easy.
Drugs are illogical and immoral too. But if you disregard order and structure in your life, and pursue only pleasure, you're very likely to end up being a victim of those.
Sounds like slavery to me. In a literal sense, its slavery. I am God and you must obey and worship me only, and if you don't, I will throw you in the lake of fire for eternity. Seriously! If that's what God does then he must get a life!
Jani SIr - I actually forgot about that aspect.. good point! lucifer sounds like a swell guy who got fucked over by some god who had a hissy fit and overreacted. But then they did write that book that almost got into the bible about what hell is like... so... I dunno.. depends how you wanna cherry pick it.. like with most of the bible.
Jack Stubbington It's supposed to be eternal torture, you can't torture someone who doesn't have things to torture. besides, as I said, the devil is the good guy.
I really hate talking to religious people about hell. Turns out they can goal post shift real easy when talking about something that doesn't exist. "Oh you think hell is that? No this is what I think hell is." #EvidencePlease
+The Rational Channel Hate is a very passive word, in that context. It just means "dislike, with a strong intensity". I prefer "disdain" or "want to vomit from".
***** I have a friend called hate, she exercises every day in the late evening, I've seen it. Better? I wasn't even try to argue anything with you, just make a joke, but people is so defensive in this comments, jizz, maybe you should try a little bit less of anger.
I believe Beauty And The Beast is true religion, it's all in the book. All of you non believers will be trapped with Gaston for all eternity for your sins. Praise Bell. Praise The Beast. Ameeeeen.
Oldshoes satan also goes by beast, its good you believe because he exist with fallen angels, and Hell, but Kingdom of heaven also exists i can testify to you much from experience and encounters but you have to humble yourself and pray repent receive Jesus into your heart and be made new linked vids my account
No! Your belief is wrong! The true book is The Lord of the Rings, duh! And we must get rid of all the Harry Potter believers. Now that's what we call wrong! On the other hand... We might accept them, but only if they admit that Gandalf is a much more powerful magician than Dumbledore and thus submit to the true faith. If you keep believing in Beauty and the Beast, the Orcs will torture you after you die😱
It's been way too long since I've listened to a talk by Matt. I forgot how eloquent and thoughtful he is, and I definitely need to subscribe to his channel. I guess you could say I'm recommitting myself to Dillahunty.
jusfugly you can believe in elmo but that doesn't change truth reality, which has already been written in books of bible be awakened receive Jesus pray repent, be delivered, linked vids my account
Adam and Eve our first parents - you can believe in the existence of a god too but that can, on no way, change reality either. Believing in anything without evidence is simply gullibility. There are many holy books written about many gods. Why do you think yours is the "right one"?
What bothers me most about the hell concept: Most believers think god is just, good, merciful, forgiving... Eternal punishment can never be good, but it can also never be just. Because since no crime can be eternal, eternal punishment is never appropriate.
exactly! punishment for eternity for ANY crime is absurd. I mean even prison is very harsh. 5 years let alone eternity being tortured would drive anyone batshit crazy. even a week would do it. and to think some people can choose to receive a get out of jail free card by saying sorry and accepting god, circumventing punishment for your sin. does that not render anything we do pointless if I could rape murder steal and just press the reset button? while you can live a life of a saint and still arrive at the same location. its just so convenient. besides hell could ever only be mental torture we need bodies to feel physical pain we need nerves and a brain to process it. theres also people who get off and cant even feel physical pain. it's just ridiculous to think people can believe this shit.
Just watched a documentary of jeffrey dahmer and he found god and was baptised in prison. even a guy like that is technically allowed into heaven if he didnt blaspheme. Now how is that even remotely right? Who is hell for exactly?
Loved the analogy: "he'll is the biggest stick, and heaven is the biggest carrot." I'm subbed to your channel, and I will start supporting your patreon. Keep up the good work of expanding logic and reason. We need it now more than ever.
You atheists are insane!.. How can you possibly deny the existence of magical fruit trees; talking snakes; men whose long hair makes them very strong; angels, demons, witches, devils and wise men who follow stars through the desert to a magical kid in a magical barn???... You guys are crazy... Santa loves you.
Science is so much more unbelievable than some ancient naughty book of fairy tales which has been proven to be wrong, right? Creatards should be denied access to modern medicine. Why don't you pray to your invisible magic pixie when you get ill? Low-life hypocrites.
No it's not by much... evolution is laughable and not provable at all. Even the brightest minds in atheism cannot demonstrate it. Also the Big Bang is accepted on faith.atheists , or the majority of them actually will believe these pseudoscience idiots and atheists never question if NASA actually has a hidden agenda.The people who run this world ... the people with all the money and power are never questioned. Whatever "science " says is true without any investigation by atheists...
Intheevening 123 Dear who ever you are. If you deny science then jump off a 1 storey building, tell me if gravity is not right. You're using science right now to use this app unless you're using crystal balls then hurra for you. And evolution is evident. Mutation is a form of evolution. Study a bit and then maybe we can exchange ideas. Sincerely, the open minded Atheist
【IU-Connect英会話】 外国人と話す、世界とつながる Revelation 14:1-20 [1]And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Zion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. [2]And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: [3]And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. [4]These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. [5]And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God. [6]And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, [7]Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. [8]And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. [9]And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, [10]The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: [11]And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. [12]Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. [13]And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them. [14]And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. [15]And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. [16]And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped. [17]And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle. [18]And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe. [19]And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God. [20]And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.
Adam and Eve our first parents we can't. We have to believe before we are even able to sincerely repent or pray, and we can't will ourselves into believing in things we have no reason to believe.
Matt, thanks for doing what you do. You helped me cut that last string that could pull me back to religion. I grew up in church and I always knew it was irrational to believe in a magic wizard in the sky who would torture you forever but i held onto the "belief" in god because hell scared the crap out of me.
Remember Galileo was condemned to hell for eternity for believing th earth revolves around th sun. Then 500 yrs later a pope absolved him. So then, if he was in hell did he come out OR perhaps was he never in hell which means that in either case th church's pronouncements r really invalid. And Isn't that amazing !?
@13Gladius 2 Galileo wasn't condemned as a person. His view of the sun as the center of the universe (as we know now there are actually many suns) was rejected by the Holy Office. This wasn't considered as infallible (at least by most) rejection of heliocentrism, since it wasn't Ex Cathedra statement by the Pope and it wasn't an anathema in Ecumenical Council.
Just reading the Christian's comments on this video really take away any doubt one may have had about how nasty, rude, and ignorant they are capable of being.
More than that I get this terrifying feeling of not talking to real people. They don't react like normal people do. They're just like "you said bad stuff about God, so you're going to hell! The Bible is totally real because [INFORMATION NOT AVAILABLE], but you're going to hell and Jesus loves me because the Bible says so! The Bible doesn't say anything bad about anyone because I've been told it doesn't!" It reminds me of Tim Minchin's song "The Good Book" but frighteningly not sarcastic.
God condones slavery in the Bible Exodus 21. Leviticus 25:44 The Bible also says the rip open the bellies of your enemies' pregnant women and kill the unborn child inside. Hosea 13:16 or 16:13 something. Think about that for a minute.
""But that's the Old Testament" -The response you will probably get to that sort of comment sooner or later. Personally, I think that argument is a bunch of shit.
StalkingEmu Especially since Jesus didn't say he was going to change the old laws. Guys like Paul did that later in their letters to various cultures like the Romans.
ls a god capable of unconditional love, then also capable of unconditional hatred? Apparently his believers sometimes are more capable of reflecting the godlikeness of their created nature in this respect. Love the sinner, hate the sin...**giggle** Rrriiiiiiiiiiight
The concept of hell has probably kept me from committing suicide at least once or twice. Now, the reality of my consciousness ending keeps me from doing it. It's good to be alive.
Dave LaBelle I was diagnosed with a very progressive form of multiple sclerosis 2 years ago. At the time I lost everything. Everything. A very good and secure job, my independence, I'm 29 and I'll never drive again or ride a bike. Barely able to walk. The depression that comes with knowing I feel 100% shitty now, and this is the best I'll almost certainly feel for the rest of my life. Yeah, I've wanted the pain to end. Atheism saved my life. Battling off my religious indoctrination a decade ago, and no longer believing in an afterlife without pain, is the only known reason that I'm still here. It definitely is good to be alive!
Assuming you were asking why, because according to most Christian theologies, we are born in sin, spend our lives sinning, and only by leading perfectly good lives AND believing wholeheartedly in Jesus can we get into heaven when we die. Considering all of the different things that are supposed to be sinful, and that we supposedly start off with a negative balance, since babies are presumed evil, very few, if any people would make it up there.
Bobby: if heaven did exist, its full of some pretty nasty people O.o It is the nastiness of your fellow Atheists that you should be concerned about, because there is no question that the Atheists who published these nasty comments are real. Please note, this is by far not an exhaustive set of quotes from this comment section, just a handful of quotes I grabbed quickly while browsing the comments at a glance to help you realize how little atheism really does to get rid of nastiness in people who cannot contain their vitriole and depravity. digglyda This imaginary God ...sounds like a bit of a cunt. Paul Renfrew Religion is a festering sore on the arse of humanity and the sooner it dies out , the better . Diogones of Sinope Fuck you Christianity ozskipper God is real. May his noodly appendages touch you . Ramen.
Jesus who came as God in the flesh came and willingly paid our sin debt . Jesus was beaten , rejected , betrayed , denied , spat upon had a crown of thorns placed on his head . All for your sin and mine and the worlds . Jesus willingly left heaven and came and endured all of that on the cross . I would say it was a little more than a weekend . It is a sacrifice we can never pay Jesus back for doing for us because he loves us that much .
I grew up in a secular home (like most do, in norway) and I can say I have never once in my life feared a hell. And I feel so lucky for never having been indoctrinated. And even though I don't think I will be rewarded or punished after life, I've still been a good person. I believe we all have a limited glimpse of life, in some form, and I hope everyone has the best experience they can have. Animals similar and different to me, I just want our lives to be as devoid of unneccecary suffering as it can be. I see myself and my own situation in them all. It could have been me. And I find that kind of morality the most compassionate, open, grounded and fair one we can have. If any god would rather I discriminate and cause suffering to others, as long as I worship him, that is a disgustingly narcissistic morality.
I think some people believe they can take a shortcut in parenting. Instead of teaching children why they should be good people and model what that would look like, let the church scare them straight. Not working well here in America.
Religion is happy clappy time spent with your family and friends singing and feeling 'good'. Most religious people arent really religious. They dont follow the bible, they follow what they want to think of as the bible, sanitised and full of flowers and all that good shit. They think you are trying to take away their community, their happiness. I believe its that, not so much the hell and brimstone that they are defending. Blindly. Dont make me look at what it actually says, I dont want to understand it, I like sunday singing and my kids go to a nice kids group. The big bad corporations in charge are the ones doing most of the damnation thing. As an underlying threat to not even think about alternatives. Cos religion is HUGE business. If you can go and just have happy clappy time without the tythe, without paying for a church, without paying for pastors and preachers, damn, these people will have to get proper jobs.Clap louder folks, keep clapping... and while you clap give me money....
+lynda williams Those people are what I call "Cultural Christians" or "Cultural Muslims". Many who either pretend to believe or don't actually give the beliefs much thought day to day. It's still cruel however to even mention the thought of an afterlife of Hell to children. This is still one of the most obvious and prevalent forms of child (mental) abuse going on in modern societies.
Gwai Lou If I didnt make myself clear, religion is worse than waterboarding. Its torture of the mind thats 24/7. Even /thinking/ of an alternative will get you burned forever. Thats why I have mixed feelings about religious people. Yes its obvious that its all nonsense /if you allow yourself to think about it/. These poor victims have been indoctrinated from birth to not even go there, that part of their minds has great big STAY AWAY signs all over it. And you arent released from that until you disbelieve. Its a catch 22. Which is the only reason churches can still exist in this modern age. As in North Korea, mind control is the best tool ever. Convince them that their thoughts are being watched, and what the hell do you need an army for? There is no longer any freedom ANYWHERE. Not even if you were the last person on the planet.... To clarify my position. religion is appalling.
+Jan Hald how? he has not proven anything. He's not even close. God does exist he's main arguments are about the bible but let me tell you he doesn't argue how science contradicts itself. The bible has proof and there's evidence of the events of the bible. Hell is real former atheist have experience that when near death experience all have said the same thing. You want to believe in Matt because he comforts you knowing that there is no eternal fire waiting for those who reject God. But there is and Jesus is the only way out
+Forever JV i dont want to believe Matt, i simply understeand that he has the strongest and most logical arguments about the existence of a God. My mind is open. I mean that when someone or something brings new arguments or evidence that can change the way i think, i'll gladly accept them. I feel like what you are trying to do here is frighten me with the idea that if i dont change my mind, hell is waiting for me. I do not take that as a valid nor logical argument. But im willing to listen if you have anything better to say.
+Daniel Kazmer Yes! I actually don't come to these to get convince that I am right about being an atheist, or some closet hope I might get convinced to go back to Christianity. It is more for great examples of how to debate, because Matt is a master at it.
I never got this concept of Heaven and Hell. And it is clear that the religious haven't even thought what an 'eternity' actually implies. It reminds me of a rollercoaster ride, sure they are fun, but are they still fun after an hour on one, how about a week or a year? Right, at some point you are going to want to get off that rollercoaster. Just like at some point, after you have done everything a billion times, over and over again you would want to 'get off' the Heaven ride. Literally, in the end, Heaven would become a Hell for everyone.
The only answer to that I've heard is that "God will make it so we'll never get bored, ever! We'll be happy constantly praising him! Glory!"... My response is simple: "Then that wouldn't be me! That sounds boring as fuck. I'd be a happy-robot, not a human! If that's what god wanted, then he/she/it should have just made an army of happy-bots instead of going through all this creation/fall/sacrifice bullshit"
you guys are right maybe heaven is not for everyone! maybe for some ppl it would be like hell! but why god is not allowed to punish ppl that say we dont want eternal life with god! but without him yes that would be awesomen! and trust me even if you dont know it there are ppl close to life without god or even allready able to! so god gave you everything you have! and now you wanna get ride of him? well no wonder he made hell! first of all hell is not for humanity! we are dust we will die and release or energy back to god! we are not eternal NOW! so for us hell is the 2nd death! its not a torture but you never be able to life again! and the hell made of burning sulfer is made for satan and his fallen angel! witch are allready eternal sons of god! and they knew what will be there punishment for the rebellion agains god!
bla blub I just wanna say.. the lake of fire is called the second death.. hell I translated from sheol/Hades Gahenna and tarturus.. Realyl hell shouldn't even be in the bible because it confuses the truth about what Jesus and people in the Bible were saying.. for instance the parable of lazuras and the rich man is talking about Hades...
yes but in the times when these myths first arose people likely dreamed of a land where they could go and all their problems would go away, Life everywhere was very difficult for a long time. I understand where you are coming from, but you have to understand why it seemed like a good idea back then. Struggling to survive day in and day out, they needed a mental escapism to keep them occupied and focused on something.
If sin is inherent in human nature then why should I trust anyone about anything???.....especially a christian telling me to believe in jesus....how can I be certain that his advice isn't just another manifestation of that sin....
Fear is the single most powerful emotion I can imagine. I wish I could frighten people into sending me $20. Unfortunately, the priests, politicians, and attorneys have the corner on that market.
Yes apples. He had it all set up beautifully, and oops, it all went wrong. Our bad. But how do you account for a system where 2 newborns, with no life experience, no prior older humans to help guide them, have to know exactly what is the right thing to do, and how it will affect the existence of billions of people for thousands of years. Most scifi is not this far out there
Mike Alstatt Yeah. I am God. I created you, like yesterday. You have no experience...including even the concept of what right and wrong ARE. See that tree over there? Yeah, the one I put nice and close to the clearing where you will "sleep" (explains what sleep is. Takes about 5 minutes cuz Adam has zero knowledge). Okay, now I am...well the guy who was here when you woke up for the first time. I created you (then has to explain what created means.) The only things you can know are what I installed in your OS...and what I tell you. So that tree over there. No, Adam. Focus. Yes, that's a platypus. Yes, it doesn't look anything like the elephant, does it? Okay now where was I? Oh yeah. You don't know right from wrong. You won't ever know right from wrong...unless you eat one of the red things on that tree over there. But don't do that, cuz that would be wrong. No, I can't explain wrong to you. That would kinda spoil the elaborate setup that is My Perfect Plan and therefore cannot fail...
That is a silly statement .... why do you think God should override every persons free will and make it perfect for all, all the time. What that would entail is a planet of robots. God ain’t gonna do it. God will fix every injustice in his own time. In Jesus he became human and stepped into suffering ... he shared in human pain ... he didn’t distance himself from it. God is not at anyone’s beck and call to give them a five star existence. The bible says to expect hard times in life .... God promised no one a bother free life on this planet. But his retirement plan is awesome. Reject it if you want .... your choice
God wouldn't be overriding our free will if we declare that we don't want eternal torture or a life of misery on earth. Meanwhile, what about your God's free will? How do you know he isn't sinning as we speak? I guess he's a robot programmed to never sin. Jesus Christ-bot?
Why would anyone worship someone who send people to hell? Many people have told me because they love God. My response is, what does love have anything to do with causing endless pain forever
The belief of someone being eternally subjected to hell fire originally comes from genuine hatred and pure desire of vengeance. Why would an omnibenevolent god force someone to eternal suffering when he can kill your supposed soul and make it vanish, just like it didn't exist before you were born? Death is actually a benevolent thing, eternal punishment? That's absurdly immoral. Punishment only serves to bring awareness and correctness. It has no moral purpose if you live forever in punishment.
The issues you bring up a very poignant and relevant. The first issue I have to say is that no one can really understand the mind of God! The second issue is and about the kinds of religion around the world, the real issue is having selected the right one because in the end among all the religions there is only one!Listening to the conditions that constitutes hell is most certainly frightening indeed and as a believer it frightens me but perhaps that is partially the reason for the existence of Hell it gives humans a reason for staying on the straight and narrow. Usually slapping humans on the risk doesn't account for much.It is easy to say that God is not a good God because he has condemned man to eternal (horrible) punishment however we as human beings have no idea what the value of sin is or the value of a human life.We are quick to ignore the evil that man does from our days of the Egyptians and to present day man's inhumanity towards man (horrible) Has Been Frightening! Egyptian rulers forcing people into slavery from birth to death, people viciously attacking, mutilating, raping in pretty much any other horror one can think of man no doubt has been involved in such.If one is to believe God alone has given man life and man turns around and says guess what I don't believe in you so stuff that in your pipe and smoke it!So it strikes me that God is going to get to a point where he says look is only going to be two addresses Heaven or Hell you decide!
Le F The issue is very simple and there's no need for circular reasoning at all. If you claim that god is omni-benevolent and made us in his image, we understand enough about morals to understand god's morality, so when you claim that god has created a special place of eternal suffering without any possible way of redemption (or that god sends non-believers to hell simply because they couldn't find enough evidence to be convinced of such, since you have no choice in your beliefs, you either are convinced or not by your own reasoning which you have no direct control of), and if we as limited beings made in god's image, see that as immoral, because there's no moral purpose in eternal punishment, then there's undeniably either a lie in the claim that god is moral, or in the claim that we get our morals from god, OR in both claims and that it's much more reasonable to believe that any theistic god so far was invented by mankind to control their societies by instilling the fear of eternal punishment in people's minds. There's no getting around on it. You can try to justify god's morality by asserting the he got angry at us as a wrathful dad that is making an ultimatum to his mischievous children or asserting that we don't understand the value of sin to god and that therefore somehow he's morally justified to make us suffer forever. None of these assertions justify god's immoral actions. Do you understand that?
To Me like You're Making the Same Argument That so Many People Claim That They Need Proof of God's Existence, First of All I Don't Believe That Fallacy (Needing to Know God Exists) Because We Have Enough Evidence to Show That Even in the Face of Truth and Reality People Can Still Not Believe. Biblical History Indicates Very Few People at the Time Believed That Jesus Could Be the Son of God and Based on Their Ignorance They Killed Him for It! You Complain about God but You Never Complain about the Lust That Man Has Had on This Earth for so Long, You Don't Complain about the Innocent People Who Have Suffered and Died at the Hands of Man, You Don't Complain about the Lying That Goes on Generation after Generation, You Don't Complain about How Sons and Daughters Disrespect Their Parents, You Don't Complain about Parents Disrespecting Their Sons and Daughters, Etc. and Based on How People like You Think Than Those Who Have Suffered at the Hands of Men Should Simply Be Satisfied Because God Says Hey I'm Not Going to Punish Them Because I'm a Loving God and You Just Have To Suck It up!
bulldogsbob Because punishing someone forever for not believing in him or even just getting laid out of marriage for example and not repenting doesn't grant any moral value to it. Why not vanishing them off reality itself? Isn't death a much more moral action than pure unlimited vengeance?
A really excellent lecture to dispel the nonsensical fear - thought provoking and compassionate. The indoctrination of 'hell' is the same kind of lies a child abuser tells their victim in order to ensure their silence and compliance... And there does seem to be a 'receptor in our brain's for superstitious fear (try separating a sports star from their lucky underpants) which can make the 'hell' habit hard to kick, and easy for an abuser to engage.
I've never taulked with this Dillhunty fellooow. But I imagine he is well versed biblical scholar and even moreso an intelligent debater. AIIE DO Believe there is something to be gained from his way of slowly explaining and rationalizing AOOL Sides of every ArrGument. I'd love an Oportss-oonity to sit down and taoulk with him. My attempts at trying to mimick the Hitchens British accent.
no one is deceiing themselves. What 's much more accurate and true is that you and every other religious person has been deceving the world for thousands of years except you guys no longer have total power over us. When God comes into my life first then i will beleive him.. but im done getting on my knees and fasting and forgiving people who do me wrong ,for nothing in return.
+neuromatiker I did, too. But the religious retort would be, "That's what's great about Jesus - you get to use both methods". That very well may be the best method of making people obey whatever you want them to obey. Manipulate them with reason/propaganda then reward/punish.
I didn't exist for however many millions of years and it didn't bother me one little bit . And very soon I will be dead for however many millions of years . And that will not bother me one little bit either . All I can do is make the very most of my brief moment in the sun and make this life a little better for everyone I meet .
Theists will argue that if there is no afterlife than what is the point of living a happy life, which is about the dumbest reasoning I have ever heard. Why would someone with one chance at life not want to make the best of it. For those theists who believe in an afterlife, they can be the biggest dicks in the world but as long as they repent before death all is forgiven and they go to heaven. Seems like a get out of jail free card to me.
Adam N I think theist would argue that without an afterlife/God life at an intellectual level becomes meaningless, not necessarily at an emotional level. Given that there is only one chance at life the most logical way to live is that of selfishness and pleasurability, not doing things for other people that will ultimately end up having no purpose or meaning.
In Genesis 3:19 God states the fate of man rather definitively. Additionally, in Deuteronomy 4:2 God directed that man is not to change, add to or detract from his word. Yet, the New Testament, in its entirety, stands in violation of Deut. 4:2. Additionally, throughout the Old Testament, we have God dealing personally with the Jews. The latter could never do anything right for extended periods. In response, God urged, coerced, threatened and punished them over and over and over again. Yet, He never told them or threatened them with hell and eternal damnation or promised them eternal heaven. Never. It is in the New Testament that we get this entire refutation and overhaul of Genesis 3:19. In so many ways, the New Testament calls God a bumbling and deceitful liar, who was, in effect, rebelled against, overcame and replaced by Jesus. Did God retire with a fat IRA and 401K? If the truth matters, then let it be told.
When I left christianity I was desperate to fill the void and needed reassurance and turned to new age. I was in it for a year. It left me with more depression an anxiety ontop of what christianity gave me. Thanks to Matt dillahunty. I gotten over what christianity did for the most part. In still tormented by what I was fed in new age.
With threats of punishment there is an inverse proportionality between the severity of the punishment and the likelihood of it happening. In orther words, the _less likely_ a punishment is, the more severe it needs to be, and vice versa. So, since Hell is the most severe punishment imaginable, it's also the least likely to even exist.
I was actually there. We to eat afterwards. Matt Dillahunty my son, autographed a picture for me and everything. I was starstruck for real. I couldn't even think straight sitting next to him. Which I know sounds really stupid. But I'm not ashamed. The man truly is a genius.
Thank you for this video! You are totally right about carrying that fear of hell with you even though you haven’t believed in years. I’m breathing a little easier having listened to this. Thank you.
I was liscensed to preach in the Southern Baptist Church when I was 6 yrs old. At Scrubcreek Texas, and now after walking away from that Society at 59, I am grateful to have found your videos, and learn from you. Thank you.
Since I am Catholic, I am finding this speech interesting. I have been feeling this way for quite a while. This does help me understand myself a little more. I am currently on the fence about atheism and all of this. There are many questions that atheist cannot answer. I did subscribe because I believe there is more to both ideas. Thanks so much.
Sorry for the late response. I did not see the notification! Anyway, for instance, the shroud of Turin. Yeah I brought that into play. There are things on this that science cannot explain at all. And what does the community believe about the afterlife? I can't really seem to get a good answer. It's all over the place. And what made alot of people ditch the faith. Some things I agree with like when bad things happen, "oh god will punish them don't worry." WHAT?! Thanks for the response, hopefully good help.
TK Cyberglyph There is no afterlife, the fear of death is part of what fueled our belief in a higher power. Nobody wants to accept that our time on Earth is limited, but I think that stops people from living a fulfilling life. Without the complete understanding that your existence is finite and linked only to your ability to keep physiologically functioning, then some may not truly make as big of an impact. The facade of some sort of amazing "afterlife" let's people accept terrible hardships throughout life, blindly putting their faith into a creator that in any religion has no concrete evidence and is usually immoral or contradicting. Worry about living your life now, and accept that you make all the decision for you. No magic man is dictating your fate based on how moral you are, but morality is still important. There doesn't need to be religion for morality. I was a Christian before stepping back and objectively looking at religion. Once you do it seems crazy that soo many believe these thousands of different stories all contradicting one another.
While the idea that there is no afterlife does seem to be the most common atheist view technically as atheism is just the lack of being religious you could have any or no answer to those kinds of questions and still count. Keep in mind though that that often having no answer can be far more honest than saying you do
This brings memories of some christians tried to convert my friend by saying to him "You don't have to go to hell", "Join our faith and you will avoid infinite/eternal punishment"
Awesome ! Thanks Matt. From my dinner table I’m watching your videos and out the window I can see the SB church that indoctrinated me as a child about a burning hell. I’m slowly but surely recovering from the abuse. Awesome 👏
Child Boo Bong Manding said Matt helped him find "reality" when Matt confuses what is not real with what is real. Saying "Jim does not believe there is a god" says what is not real about Jim and doesn't make Jim anything... the proof is it is true if Jim is not anything. Matt says that it makes Jim an atheist. Matt's grasp of atheism itself confuses what reality is not with what reality is. And this is the man that taught Bong about reality? Holy fuck.
Atheist On Demand *Saying "Jim does not believe there is a god" says what is not real about Jim and doesn't make Jim anything* What the fuck does this even mean? You seem to be one of those types of persons that either pretends to be or seriously believes that he is really deep and shit, but really isn't. Matt's "grasp of atheism" is, and to my knowledge, has always been the lack of belief in the existence of God or gods. That's what atheism is. If Matt helped Bong Manding with finding a reality that doesn't include gods that works for him, then good for Matt and Bong.
Child Boo It means it says nothing about X to say X does not do or does not have something. Saying X lacks Y, doesn't refer to X at all and obviously Dillahunty thinks it does. A lack of belief is not anything, so it is not atheism... and it doesn't refer to the atheist to say the atheist lacks something.
Thank you again do much !!!!! I wad raised Buddhist / Taoist. They also mention a lot about a kind of hell and limbo, lots of evil spirits, demons etc etc etc. It was super scary growing up in both temples, some of the statues used to scare me as a kid. Eventually, by age 6 though, I started to become infatuated with how beautiful the artwork and statues became to my little self. When I started to study on my own at public libraries. I started to figure out for myself that it's all the creative work of the human mind. I've never experienced any supernatural events, but all too many people around me told me a lot of their experiences. So I felt extremely isolated, left out and thus extremely curious. True before I developed critical thinking etc as Matt mentioned. It's an extremely lonely life, sometimes still lonely, because ad an artist, I lose many opportunities in many communities to perform and thrive, because most of the communities which accepts my music happen to be of spiritual backing. Spiritual non profits and communities are extremely wealthy, extremely wealthy. I'm content to be alone in my critical thinking. So I'm so grateful for these amazing talks online. I feel confident in my art form and I don't need to be hired by spiritual communities if my views are triggering them. I don't need so much wealth. I definitely need more critical and logical knowing ^_^
If religion would disappear today. Every one would have to start thinking for their selves. We would have to except that we are accountable for one another as well as our selves and not to some invisible nobody. All the energy that goes into lying to your selves and others to propagate a crowed to feel safe in could then be diverted to solving real world problems with real world solutions. If we attach ignorance our children would become wiser our cultures could evolve. When every one is on the same page what could we do? Could we find a utopia together without devision? Could we conqueror greed and vanity? Would woman quit hanging the toilet paper on backwards? We may some day find out if greed, vanity and the corruption they bring will end but only if we work together and realize our accountably to one another and not to an imaginary being. Keep up the good work Matt Dillahunty. The Jews don't believe in hell not for the same reasons. Neither should we. Hell is a woman trying to survive her father selling her into sex slavery?marriage. Hell is hear among us if anywhere and we are the ones who make it. We are the creator of our own delusions.
You cannot understand anything about the afterlife, or Heaven or Hell or eternity with a human mind. It all has to be accepted by faith and understand that it is far about what we can reason now. None of anything he says in this video is valid, because he is trying to reason with human logic. You cannot explain God with human logic....because He isn't human. 'We see now through a dark vale, but then (after this life) out eyes will be open and will see and understand...' the Apostle Paul.
@@darinwaynec Faith is without evidence so I have no reason to believe in a afterlife by definition, heck even if it was real if I have no evidence proving it is I am still justified to not have believed in it
I don't know about u guys but if heaven n hell is real, I want to go where Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, Matt Dillihunty, Sam Harris, Lawrence Krauss, Aronra, Dan Dennett, and Phil Mason go. I definitely don't want to spend eternity with people like Ray Comfort, Kent and Eric Hovind.
+Lust Rager Good answer
Bruce Lee would be in hell; I am sure that all the demons would be dead.
Astronaut Conejito George Carlin 2.
Sideburner you keep thinking like that and you will be there asap,sir,let me appeal to your mind about this, do you realize that it takes more faith to believe what they teach than the precious word of God,DNA was the death of eviloution you better wake up God is good and he is for real.
Marvin Hesler There is no God, you stupid fuck!
Torturing even one person for an infinite amount of time is infinitely more evil than a billion holocausts. That's just the nature of infinities.
RS, the "concept of eternal torture" IS in the bible, thanks to Jesus, who promised it to those who failed to believe his message. He said this: "I tell you the truth, just as you did not do it for one of the least of these, you did not do it for me." Scripture continues: "And these will depart into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
Source: Matthew 25:41-46.
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Atheists do the cherrypicking? How cute.
How did I "cherry pick"? You made a single unqualified claim that the bible never mentions eternal torture. I showed you something that you were unaware of; namely that at least one time the bible mentions the concept. I said nothing else outside of that narrow question, except to point out in this post that you were perhaps ignorant about this part of the gospels.
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When I see hypocrisy, I point it out. Do you kill rebellious children when they curse you (Lev 20:9, Lev 21:18-21)? This is a law that Jesus supported, according to Mark 7:9-10. What about 1 Timothy 2:12, that says that no women may have any authority whatsoever? And of course, let's not forget 1 Peter 2:18, which tells slaves to submit to their masters, even cruel ones. This stuff isn't just in the Old Testament, there's archaic bullshit in the New Testament as well. As for eternal torture, it's all over the Bible. Matthew 25:46 is just one example, and there are several "weeping and gnashing of teeth" passages all over the New Testament. Just go look for yourself.
Atheists don't cherrypick from the Bible. We equally disbelieve all of it, and don't accept the claim that any of it is the word of God. When we single out passages like this, it's to point out how Christians often ignore them and act as if the Bible doesn't command them to kill their disobedient children and submit to injustice. You won't see atheists railing against "love thy neighbor," because that part of the Bible isn't harmful. You see us calling out the archaic, barbaric bullshit splattered throughout the book that many Christians seem to turn a blind eye towards, as if they weren't supposed to regard it as the infallible word of God.
1. I did not "twist a bible verse" that I "think is negative." I quoted the EXACT words from the NET bible, and never commented on whether I think it's "negative." Why do you dispute the words?
2. I did not "leave out a few words," either. The words are verbatim from the NET bible.
3. I admit that I said you were ignorant of the text, and perhaps I was wrong about that. My only other plausible guess to account for your claim is that you are lying--perhaps to yourself-- about the text, but I chose to give you the benefit of the doubt. I still suspect, however, that you made an honest mistake. After all, you have a record of distorting what I've said--event though my words are here on this board in black and white!
4. Now that we have established that my narrowly-focused comment did not "cherry-pick," may I ask you what my "agenda" is? I only know that I seek truth and to correct error. If you have actual evidence for what you have accused me of, I sincerely ask you to share it. And if you have evidence that the part of the bible I quoted is not part of Christian scripture, I again sincerely ask you to show that evidence. And if you do, I promise that will admit my error.
Hell: An infinite punishment for a finite transgression. How could that ever have been considered moral?
Simple we Christians understand how evil sin is and God's holiness.
Can a single minor sin be worth an infinite punishment?
I mean, suppose a man disobeys a "keep off the grass" sign. Does your sense of justice demand he be set on fire and burn for the next trillion years?
If you can say yes to that, I submit that it says more about your character than it does about justice.
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There is no such thing as a little sin why do you think Christians make a big deal out of it.
bulldogsbob So walking on the grass is just as bad as murder? That in itself proves that you have no conception of justice.
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Ah, sin. The arbitrary, nonsense rules with which God so generously gave to us in the first place. Picking up sticks on the Sabbath... Surely a quality reason to be put to death. At least that poor fool won't roast in hell for the sin of picking up sticks! He has to wait a couple thousand years until gentle Jesus arrives to implement the punishment of hell.
the only crime justly worthy of an infinite punishment is creating such a punishment
Exactly
As a Christian I totally agree.
@@chris-nj3vg so you are not orthodox
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I believe the Bible does consistently teach that unbelievers will stop to exist after the judgement.
I think also that the mainstream dogma of hell is THE most evil teaching I have ever heard of. A just God could not create such a infinite torture.
This teaching has made many atheists...
@@chris-nj3vg Very consistently: just one of many examples of the inconsistency around what hell is: Matthew 8:10-12
10 When Jesus heard this, he was amazed and said to those following him, “Truly I tell you, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith. 11 I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. 12 But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
So, you believe that the bible consistently doesn't teach what it says here. Next you'll be telling us it consistently doesn't say that Jesus was born before and after 1AD and that it doesn't say Jesus died both before and after easter.
It's pretty obvious religion doesn't use love to keep you in, it uses fear!
crystalheart9 you should greatly fear hell and demons it is reality, and i can testify to you, awaken to truth reality written pray repent, its Time, linked vids my account
crystalheart9 Jesus saith i am, no religion
Religion is a curse upon the planet.
GERALD MCFARLIN receive Jesus pray repent before its To late, linked vids my account
Received Jesus this morning and he is getting stronger each day. Soon he will be wearing paps. You must know that he becomes a she at passover.
It's amazing that he's not reading from anything... it's all organized in his own mind. Absolutely brilliant man...
@jool7793That is why people who are lazy listen to preachers the love.
He also has Eidetic Memory. But does glance at the few notes he has. He can also remember exactly what you said and repeat it from several minutes ago. He is brilliant
@jool7793 Wow, way to diminish someone's skill and value. I hope you don't have children because they fundamentally *hate you* for saying this kind of thing. I hate my own mother for the same reasons and I have for my entire life. I'm 45 and I no longer speak to her. Please learn some basic human respect.
The sad and truly horrific thing is I think a lot of evangelical/fundamentalist are secretly turned on by the idea of people who disagree with them burning in hell forever.
@@samhhaincat2703 completely disagree, theyre saying its a skill that can be learned. im sorry if that takes away some of the "magic" but theyre saying matt learned how to do it, and you can too. thats A) pretty cool for matt, that he got so good at it, and B) inspiring to others, saying you can do it too.
crazy you can assume that person lacks human respect. seems like you have some unresolved issues.
The thing i hate the most is the brain washing of children.
I woke up at around ten but i know others that are still going to church today.
+australianews "I woke up at around ten but i know others that are still going to church today."
You can still make 11am mass if you hurry, even if you did wake up at around 10! :D
/rimshot
It's kind of funny isn't it? I had an imaginary friend when one as a small child.. and I was so confused. You see, when I grew up and stopped believing in imaginary friends, I didn't understand why the adults and teachers I was supposed to revere and look up to still hadn't gotten there yet. XD
The thing i hate the most is the brain washing of children.
It is the brainwashing of adults to believe in ideas like life emerging on our planet from an assumed act of Abiogenesis that gets me-especially when science has never to date even once observed a single act of Abiogenesis. Without such an observation, I am left to wonder what factual basis an Atheist can employ to explain why life exists on this planet. On the other hand, science does observe billions upon billions upon billions of acts of Biogenesis (life gives rise to life) occuring on our planet. Every day we observe more examples of Biogenesis across numerous species. Of course, that is exactly the sort of thing we would expect to see if a living God gave rise to life on our planet: the kind of act of Biogenesis explained in the Bible. But, what are billions of supporting examples of that idea when Atheists have 0 acts of observed Abiogenesis to hang their hat on to compare against?
@@coreybray9834 super weak argument - not being able to prove the origin of life doesn't magically make any of the religions even remotely legitimate, at most it makes you a deist.
I love how you say wake up... its like "the matrix."
I became a Christian one day before my 13th birthday. I heard a sermon about hell at a church camp and it scared the crap out of me. But then when I was 23 and started questioning religion, the only thing that kept me clinging onto Christianity was the fear of hell. Luckily I had been watching Matt and other UA-cam atheists at the time and they helped me let go of that fear. And even the fear of dying and just not existing anymore.
Michael die without Jesus and you will go to hell and as it is described in the Holy Bible warning after warning you will be terrified . All of the unbelief in the world will not make hell disappear or go away . Life is so short once we die it is to late if you die without Jesus those are just the facts u may not like it but that does not change anything Jesus loves you Michael . Only 2 choices when we die heaven with Jesus hell without Jesus we are making that choice in this life choose wisely once we die it is to late . Jesus loves you Michael .
It's okay to be unafraid of dying or a bad afterlife, but sin you should never be unafraid of. It causes MAJOR damage on this earth whether you believe in an afterlife or not. Be afraid of becoming even a mild evildoer, because it can happen surprisingly easily. Heavy drinking and sleeping around are extremely popular, and they cause immense damage for folks that play around with them too much. Not only to them, but to their whole circle of influence.
That is the whole reason HELL was invented. Fear keeps you loyal to Christianity. Without that fear, Christianity doesn't have any leverage.
+byron2521 it incentivises a belief in anything. "follow me and you'll receive infinite gain! if you don't, you'll receive infinite punishment!" its so elementary and childish. there are an infinite number of fathomable "hells" or punishment/reward systems i could come up with. if you insert them into pascal's wager, you could simeltaneously be believing in two contradictory statements.
+byron2521 Hell is a christian perversion of Hel's realm. Nothing more.
+master troll Cops and Robbers, Angels and Demons. Makes sense.
: Yep, the many meanings of hell that have been perverted: (Your's) Hel - the goddess of the Nordic underworld of the dead, who put the dead in a large pot. (The original English) hell - Just a cave or a hole in the ground. Later perverted into the Sheol of the mostly Old Test. bible (Hebrew place of the dead, or just grave). Early English used to talk of putting their potatoes in HELL! This simply meant storing them underground in a root cellar. So, yeah... it's pretty easy to see where this all comes from, if you do your homework outside of the K.J. bible itself. The K.J. writers just went through and edited the English HELL wherever they saw, Sheol, Hades (in the Greek N.T.), or Tartarus (also N.T. Greek).
Hell is a universal concept of suffering regardless of the different meanings of hell and what culture during what time period it pertains to.
As a kid, hell terrified me. As an adult, it doesn't. Because of a lot of the reasons brought up here. Great talk Matt.
It still terrifies me I don't want to go there
@@chadrasmussen1154 SAME... Like I still want to be who I am and do my own thing because Jesus Christ already has me covered right? Why should I be working more... I know I sound lazy but c'mon these sounds so hard and depressing either way.. like a lose lose game... "Life"
This video is literally what freed my mind of religious indoctrination.
It’s ironic how my church’s pastor did a sermon on “luke-warm” Christians- and that is when I had the greatest, most undeniable feeling I had ever had in my “faith”... I left the church and began my transition to atheism.
While I didn’t know Matt Dillahunty at the time, these challenges and questions (I now know,) were exactly the things that made me a lukewarm Christian. It makes so much sense looking back.
Absolutely, undoubtedly the best thing that ever happened for me. I thank my old pastor at the time for giving that sermon. He ironically freed me.
@@_t_f_ woop woop, welcome back to reality! The world isn't as bad now as the Bible makes it out to be. I now truly like all people (that's the starting position at least) and not only xtians.
Stan Staniboy thanks! Yeah I’ve been an atheist (or I suppose you could say agnostic), for roughly 10 years now.. I agree with you- I truly appreciate people & the world more now. I take more responsibility for my actions and inaction. I feel like I can engage and evaluate the world so much more clearly now and it’s incredible.
*Atheism/Agnosticism- 10/10, would recommend.*
Isn't is crazy how indoctrinated we really are?
Congratulations...you've been freed...sorry you were lied to
God loves us so much, he created hell to punish us, and let us burn for eternity just in case we didn’t love him back.
and entrapped Adam and Eve to blame us for it all - what a dick move
The Protestant or even Orthodox Christian problem with Hell is that they think of it as a place with a postcode. Hell is of course a state of mind. So is Heaven. You don`t have to believe in either
If you really knew god you'd understand why he made the choice he did
@Divine Cinderella I don't understand what u mean
Well some say cause were not holy enough to be with him because of sin
I have no need for a threat of eternal torture after I'm dead to behave in a sensible manner
Ok God cannot force you to believe all he can do is warn you about hell the lake of fire . Your belief hell is real is not required . If you die without Jesus Christ you will go to hell the Lake of fire . You may not like the idea but that is what the Bible teaches . {Rev 20:15 All names not found in the book of life were cast into the lake of fire .} Only one verse and warning of many verses about hell . Jesus is the way the truth and the life . Jesus loves you .
@@christianjames7210 so he's not all powerful then
@@Scoobydcs {John 3:36 He who has the son has eternal life, he who does not have the son the wrath of God abides on him .} God wants you to follow and love him because you want to . Not because you have to . God did not create robots . God gives us a choice . God also warns us verse after verse about rejecting his only begotten son The Lord Jesus Christ and what awaits unbelievers when they as we all will die . God is all powerful omnicient and omni present . Make no mistake again unbelief cannot change the truth . Thank you for your comments I hope you have a great night . Jesus loves you .
@@christianjames7210 he wants me to love him or hel burn me forever. Nah il pass on that thanks. And even that disgusting behaviour assumes gods exists in the 1st place. Before you say anything else you have to start there
@@christianjames7210 GOD KELLED HIM SELF A COUPLE OF DAYS. Just to build a great lake of fire for you believers who screw up to burn for ever and ever and ever eternity WHY? Because he loves you.
If Matt is the devil, then sign me up for hell!
I reckon you're going anyway, foul heretic!
I wish
@Goroei Noble
Nah, people go to hell for their wrong-doing, not because they've not heard about Jesus. Everyone has God's moral law imprinted on them, no one has an excuse. God will judge those people according to what they do know, not by what they dont know.
We as humans, now judge God. God stands before the council of mankind. He has many things to answer for.
Genocide; destruction on a cataclysmic scale; punishing people with infinite torture for finite, non-crimes; bringing nearly incalculable suffering...
The problem is we can't track down this celestial criminal. All we've found is some notebook, supposedly written by his adherents, some delusional people, and a few landmarks that take us nowhere.
If you have any information regarding this outlaw, please send it to your local Makse department.
Along with this notice, keep a watchful eye out for what are called "Apologists". We're not sure what their intention is by doing so, but notice that they call themselves Apologists. What are they apologizing for? We'll keep you updated in our search.
@@makse10
That's hilarious, your standard for judging morality is God himself. Your morality comes from God. I think if you stood before your maker you would see how ridiculous your attempts to judge him are. That said -
Judgment, if God wants to judge you and others for horrific crimes then he is entitled. He's the boss not you, your morality against his pales into insignicance. You just think your sins are no big deal because you judge yourself against the wrong standard.
God aint gonna appear to you and argue his case. In his infinite wisdom he uses other ways to reveal himself to humans, many ways, but not the ways you might want. Tough, God is the boss not you. He has given you more than enough to reveal himself to you. If you prefer wilful blindness and suppression of the truth, dulling yourself to that voice on the inside and the many other ways God speaks, well that's on you.
"The fool says in his heart there is no God." Atheists only exist this side of the grave. If they stay that way they wake up in a nightmare that never ends. They dont have to, but they dont want to follow the way of the master of the universe, so deserve what comes next (which is in any case not what God, or any apologist, wants for them). Apologists do what they do to save your skin, not because they love the anal shallow criticisms that so many atheists fire at them.
Well said! John 3: 16 - 18. In my opinion is THE most horrible, disgusting emotional blackmail EVER devised by anyone.
If hell is being separated from god, I have that now - it's okay thank you.
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That was an amazingly good argument against hell and even religion as a whole. Very well said!
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Dang! How can anyone still take the bible seriously?
They don't read it
Ryan Walsh I have friends who say "oh you haven't studied the Bible so you don't know what you're saying". Then I ask them about slavery and all the other immoral parts of it and they just say "oh that's the Old Testament, we don't look at that". If you cherry pick your supposed "ultimate word of God" then it shows how bullshit it is
If they dont they will go to hell.
Delbert Frost. THERE ' S A SUCKER BORN EVERY MINUTE.
I'm willing to have this discussion with you. For starters because of what it says about love.
If atheism had a church (so to speak...), this would have been an
excellent sermon to hear. Good points to ponder, and no imaginary friends
required.
It was a sermon you blind idiot.
If they had this every sunday in my area, this would be something I'd be more than happy to go to every sunday.
Don't be stingy on the charity box when you go there.
So would we pray to scientists?
This is a lecture, Not a sermon. BIG difference!
If hell is the absence of God, we already are in hell.
Tip of the cap.
@boxersnatcher Or the news.
boxersnatcher It’s unfair, cruel and unjust, but it’s also so terribly beautiful and precious and amazing
@bruce marshall Well that's totally uncalled for an rude. All he said was that there was no god. How is that a bad thing? Some people just aren't convinced a god exists. Also, he wasn't saying that's what hell was. He was just saying if those people were right, we are already are living in hell. Not that they were right. Do you know what "if" means, dumbf*ck?
@@danielbartholomew4037
Let's use our reasoning for a second. The Bible states that Hell is a place of utter darkness & eternal torment. He states that "if those people are right, we are already in Hell"... 🤔.
Does that make any sense? Which of us is in eternal torment?
Sentencing people to horrifying suffering for eternity can only be the action of a boundlessly sadistic being.
Tom Palmer God's Kingdom will not be defiled and made lowly, nor will, them that reject him inherit it, humble yourself pray repent whats to come upon many will he because of themselves linked vids my account
I am an atheist who was (partially-)raised as a Christian - we bounced around to different churches, including Presbyterian, Methodist, and two different Baptist churches - and I have an interesting anecdote to share:
The final church that I attended was a Baptist church, and I went there from the ages of 11-13. I already *knew* at this point that "God" was nothing more than "Santa Claus for adults", but I just *wanted* so badly to believe - because the church functions for kids were a lot of fun lol...
However, nomatter how hard I tried, I could not force myself to believe something for which there was no evidence - nomatter how badly I wanted to.
So I actually took my concerns to my "Sunday-School" "teacher" - I came to him, this little 12-year-old child, and told him that I simply could not believe in God, that I simply could not possibly believe in anything for which there was no scientific evidence (I was basically begging him to just *show* me ANY evidence...) - and do you want to know what he told me?
He literally *said the words* "Fake it 'til you make it"...!
...And, sadly enough, I did keep trying to force myself to believe in that shit for another year before I finally realized that I was simply too intelligent to force myself to believe/support something that is false.
Obviously he wasn't Christian either. If a Doctor gives you bad advice, do you stop believing in medicine? You atheists make no sense.
@@PaulDo22 If a you had an experience with Jesus that means he exists because you had an experience with him right?
@@TheAvaricious. Not necessarily. You need to try harder than that.
@@PaulDo22 Elaborate
@@TheAvaricious. You need to be more specific. Anyone can say anything, it doesn't make it true. And even if they had an experience it doesn't mean it was Christ Himself. There are other possibilities that can trick people about what they experienced. It's not that easy.
Thank you for showing that hell is illogical and immoral. It's so liberating to see this
Drugs are illogical and immoral too. But if you disregard order and structure in your life, and pursue only pleasure, you're very likely to end up being a victim of those.
@@theboombody This has nothing to do with their comment whatsoever. Dumbest thing ever.
Are all drugs used for pleasure? I think not...@@theboombody
Sounds like slavery to me. In a literal sense, its slavery. I am God and you must obey and worship me only, and if you don't, I will throw you in the lake of fire for eternity. Seriously! If that's what God does then he must get a life!
Correction, if that is what god does, he is a sadistic, twisted, cruel guy
Some people even claim that humans are slaves of God, and they’re fine with that...
So all the bad girls go to hell.
Sounds like my kind of place.
People say the same with certain thinkers.. but then it ISSS hell.. I'm sure they're not having a delightful tea party in such a place lol.
Siberius Wolf In Christianity the devil is the good guy, so it should be pleasant compared to spending an eternity with yahweh.
Jani SIr - I actually forgot about that aspect.. good point! lucifer sounds like a swell guy who got fucked over by some god who had a hissy fit and overreacted. But then they did write that book that almost got into the bible about what hell is like... so... I dunno.. depends how you wanna cherry pick it.. like with most of the bible.
Jack Stubbington It's supposed to be eternal torture, you can't torture someone who doesn't have things to torture.
besides, as I said, the devil is the good guy.
vernonclassic - Fuck thattt.. I personally can't think of anything worse than eternal life lol.
I really hate talking to religious people about hell. Turns out they can goal post shift real easy when talking about something that doesn't exist. "Oh you think hell is that? No this is what I think hell is." #EvidencePlease
+Kombo Breaker
Prfrfrtrtrfy, obviously, hate exercises every day in the late evening. I've seen it.
+The Rational Channel Hate is a very passive word, in that context.
It just means "dislike, with a strong intensity".
I prefer "disdain" or "want to vomit from".
+Kombo Breaker I hate you.
*****
I have a friend called hate, she exercises every day in the late evening, I've seen it.
Better? I wasn't even try to argue anything with you, just make a joke, but people is so defensive in this comments, jizz, maybe you should try a little bit less of anger.
+Kombo Breaker I think you meant to write "Now THAT'S funny", not 'thats'
Maybe work on your punctuation, else it's nonsensical
I believe Beauty And The Beast is true religion, it's all in the book. All of you non believers will be trapped with Gaston for all eternity for your sins. Praise Bell. Praise The Beast. Ameeeeen.
Oldshoes satan also goes by beast, its good you believe because he exist with fallen angels, and Hell, but Kingdom of heaven also exists i can testify to you much from experience and encounters but you have to humble yourself and pray repent receive Jesus into your heart and be made new linked vids my account
@@Magicandpassion Do the nurses know you've escaped?
No more 5 dozen eggs
No! Your belief is wrong! The true book is The Lord of the Rings, duh!
And we must get rid of all the Harry Potter believers. Now that's what we call wrong! On the other hand... We might accept them, but only if they admit that Gandalf is a much more powerful magician than Dumbledore and thus submit to the true faith.
If you keep believing in Beauty and the Beast, the Orcs will torture you after you die😱
Well presented Matt. You've really honed your chops over the past couple of years.
+J Santarsiero Could NOT agree more!
J Santarsiero. He's become the new Hitchens.
It's been way too long since I've listened to a talk by Matt. I forgot how eloquent and thoughtful he is, and I definitely need to subscribe to his channel. I guess you could say I'm recommitting myself to Dillahunty.
we need more people like Matt in this world.
God created hell in order to save us from it. (Makes divine loving sense I guess.)
Sometimes listening to the stuff religious people believe in and do makes me literally sick to the stomach.
Jurgis same, receive Jesus and word of God, be made new linked vids my account
Adam and Eve our first parents No.
Adam and Eve our first parents - Believe in Gandalf. I'll send you a copy of Lord of the Rings. It will have exactly the same effect
jusfugly you can believe in elmo but that doesn't change truth reality, which has already been written in books of bible be awakened receive Jesus pray repent, be delivered, linked vids my account
Adam and Eve our first parents - you can believe in the existence of a god too but that can, on no way, change reality either.
Believing in anything without evidence is simply gullibility.
There are many holy books written about many gods.
Why do you think yours is the "right one"?
What bothers me most about the hell concept: Most believers think god is just, good, merciful, forgiving...
Eternal punishment can never be good, but it can also never be just. Because since no crime can be eternal, eternal punishment is never appropriate.
exactly! punishment for eternity for ANY crime is absurd. I mean even prison is very harsh. 5 years let alone eternity being tortured would drive anyone batshit crazy. even a week would do it. and to think some people can choose to receive a get out of jail free card by saying sorry and accepting god, circumventing punishment for your sin. does that not render anything we do pointless if I could rape murder steal and just press the reset button? while you can live a life of a saint and still arrive at the same location. its just so convenient. besides hell could ever only be mental torture we need bodies to feel physical pain we need nerves and a brain to process it. theres also people who get off and cant even feel physical pain. it's just ridiculous to think people can believe this shit.
champ8605 Good point. The idea that what kind of person you are, doesn't matter as long as you believe, is not a very good moral code.
Just watched a documentary of jeffrey dahmer and he found god and was baptised in prison. even a guy like that is technically allowed into heaven if he didnt blaspheme.
Now how is that even remotely right? Who is hell for exactly?
Why do you have a problem with God punishing sin and evil.
bulldogsbob did god punish slavery?
Matt is brilliant! I'm a fan!
+eskolini Brilliant speaker!
Loved the analogy: "he'll is the biggest stick, and heaven is the biggest carrot."
I'm subbed to your channel, and I will start supporting your patreon.
Keep up the good work of expanding logic and reason. We need it now more than ever.
You atheists are insane!.. How can you possibly deny the existence of magical fruit trees; talking snakes; men whose long hair makes them very strong; angels, demons, witches, devils and wise men who follow stars through the desert to a magical kid in a magical barn???... You guys are crazy... Santa loves you.
Science is so much more unbelievable than some ancient naughty book of fairy tales which has been proven to be wrong, right? Creatards should be denied access to modern medicine. Why don't you pray to your invisible magic pixie when you get ill? Low-life hypocrites.
Caligula Caesar interesting YT name. why?
No it's not by much... evolution is laughable and not provable at all. Even the brightest minds in atheism cannot demonstrate it. Also the Big Bang is accepted on faith.atheists , or the majority of them actually will believe these pseudoscience idiots and atheists never question if NASA actually has a hidden agenda.The people who run this world ... the people with all the money and power are never questioned. Whatever "science " says is true without any investigation by atheists...
Intheevening 123
Dear who ever you are.
If you deny science then jump off a 1 storey building, tell me if gravity is not right.
You're using science right now to use this app unless you're using crystal balls then hurra for you.
And evolution is evident. Mutation is a form of evolution. Study a bit and then maybe we can exchange ideas.
Sincerely, the open minded Atheist
Caligula: Don't forget about the one who flew on the donkey.
"We can have a tax discussion later, because I want to get back to hell."
I love that kind of subtle comedy.
That was a really nice sermon
【IU-Connect英会話】 外国人と話す、世界とつながる Matt would've made a pretty good preacher. I'm glad he's using his public speaking skills for reason
【IU-Connect英会話】 外国人と話す、世界とつながる Revelation 14:1-20
[1]And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Zion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
[2]And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
[3]And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
[4]These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
[5]And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.
[6]And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
[7]Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
[8]And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
[9]And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
[10]The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
[11]And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
[12]Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
[13]And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
[14]And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
[15]And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
[16]And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.
[17]And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.
[18]And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.
[19]And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.
[20]And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.
Adam and Eve our first parents we can't. We have to believe before we are even able to sincerely repent or pray, and we can't will ourselves into believing in things we have no reason to believe.
Tim Pieper you have to humble yourself and pray repent now its time linked vids my account
Adam and Eve our first parents I have to do what I can't do? Does that make sense to you?
Matt, thanks for doing what you do. You helped me cut that last string that could pull me back to religion. I grew up in church and I always knew it was irrational to believe in a magic wizard in the sky who would torture you forever but i held onto the "belief" in god because hell scared the crap out of me.
Remember Galileo was condemned to hell for eternity for believing th earth revolves around th sun. Then 500 yrs later a pope absolved him. So then, if he was in hell did he come out OR perhaps was he never in hell which means that in either case th church's pronouncements r really invalid. And Isn't that amazing !?
I'm just waiting for them to "absolve" Giordano Bruno, whom the Church murdered, so he "can get out of hell", too :P
@13Gladius 2 Galileo wasn't condemned as a person. His view of the sun as the center of the universe (as we know now there are actually many suns) was rejected by the Holy Office. This wasn't considered as infallible (at least by most) rejection of heliocentrism, since it wasn't Ex Cathedra statement by the Pope and it wasn't an anathema in Ecumenical Council.
Just reading the Christian's comments on this video really take away any doubt one may have had about how nasty, rude, and ignorant they are capable of being.
More than that I get this terrifying feeling of not talking to real people. They don't react like normal people do. They're just like "you said bad stuff about God, so you're going to hell! The Bible is totally real because [INFORMATION NOT AVAILABLE], but you're going to hell and Jesus loves me because the Bible says so! The Bible doesn't say anything bad about anyone because I've been told it doesn't!"
It reminds me of Tim Minchin's song "The Good Book" but frighteningly not sarcastic.
God condones slavery in the Bible Exodus 21. Leviticus 25:44
The Bible also says the rip open the bellies of your enemies' pregnant women and kill the unborn child inside. Hosea 13:16 or 16:13 something.
Think about that for a minute.
""But that's the Old Testament" -The response you will probably get to that sort of comment sooner or later. Personally, I think that argument is a bunch of shit.
StalkingEmu
Especially since Jesus didn't say he was going to change the old laws. Guys like Paul did that later in their letters to various cultures like the Romans.
Master Markus I don't remember the specific verse but didn't Jesus say that he has come to fulfill the old law, not to abolish it?
Ricky Gervais put it beautifully: "Thank you, God, for making me an atheist."
If there were a hell then most religious folks will be there too.
It will be mainly populated by religious folks.
HELL because sometimes unconditional Love means burning in a lake of fire for all eternity...
A volcano
+shane haggis It's unconditional until it isn't:)
Do not defend an evil god just for heaven. A man made evil god. Punishment and reward lol give me a break. Worship in heaven or burn lol.
ls a god capable of unconditional love, then also capable of unconditional hatred?
Apparently his believers sometimes are more capable of reflecting the godlikeness of their created nature in this respect.
Love the sinner, hate the sin...**giggle** Rrriiiiiiiiiiight
Shane: I think the Christians would say that "we send ourselves to hell." That is their defense about hell concept.
The hell thing kept me in for years too. I felt that
So if someone warns you of a tsunami coming then are you going to wait till you're drowning?
The concept of hell has probably kept me from committing suicide at least once or twice. Now, the reality of my consciousness ending keeps me from doing it. It's good to be alive.
Dave LaBelle I was diagnosed with a very progressive form of multiple sclerosis 2 years ago. At the time I lost everything. Everything. A very good and secure job, my independence, I'm 29 and I'll never drive again or ride a bike. Barely able to walk.
The depression that comes with knowing I feel 100% shitty now, and this is the best I'll almost certainly feel for the rest of my life.
Yeah, I've wanted the pain to end.
Atheism saved my life.
Battling off my religious indoctrination a decade ago, and no longer believing in an afterlife without pain, is the only known reason that I'm still here.
It definitely is good to be alive!
I'm always impressed that Matt can put a new twist on so many of these propositions. Well done, Sir!
12:30 "Churches have co-opted the humanity...that we all have...and claimed it as their own." I tell you what. That's a good nugget right there.
if heaven did exist, its full of some pretty nasty people O.o
It's basically Hoboland, the CLEANEST Fourth World Country you can possibly find!
If heaven did exist, it would be pretty empty.
Assuming you were asking why, because according to most Christian theologies, we are born in sin, spend our lives sinning, and only by leading perfectly good lives AND believing wholeheartedly in Jesus can we get into heaven when we die. Considering all of the different things that are supposed to be sinful, and that we supposedly start off with a negative balance, since babies are presumed evil, very few, if any people would make it up there.
Not nasty, fake, simple and very boring. Probably scary too, but nonetheless this description is only nasty to some people
Bobby: if heaven did exist, its full of some pretty nasty people O.o
It is the nastiness of your fellow Atheists that you should be concerned about, because there is no question that the Atheists who published these nasty comments are real. Please note, this is by far not an exhaustive set of quotes from this comment section, just a handful of quotes I grabbed quickly while browsing the comments at a glance to help you realize how little atheism really does to get rid of nastiness in people who cannot contain their vitriole and depravity.
digglyda
This imaginary God ...sounds like a bit of a cunt.
Paul Renfrew
Religion is a festering sore on the arse of humanity and the sooner it dies out , the better .
Diogones of Sinope
Fuck you Christianity
ozskipper
God is real. May his noodly appendages touch you . Ramen.
Jesus gave his weekend for our sins.
He can cope
Fucker still had almost all of Sunday to chill too
Jesus who came as God in the flesh came and willingly paid our sin debt . Jesus was beaten , rejected , betrayed , denied , spat upon had a crown of thorns placed on his head . All for your sin and mine and the worlds . Jesus willingly left heaven and came and endured all of that on the cross . I would say it was a little more than a weekend . It is a sacrifice we can never pay Jesus back for doing for us because he loves us that much .
I grew up in a secular home (like most do, in norway) and I can say I have never once in my life feared a hell. And I feel so lucky for never having been indoctrinated.
And even though I don't think I will be rewarded or punished after life, I've still been a good person. I believe we all have a limited glimpse of life, in some form, and I hope everyone has the best experience they can have. Animals similar and different to me, I just want our lives to be as devoid of unneccecary suffering as it can be. I see myself and my own situation in them all. It could have been me. And I find that kind of morality the most compassionate, open, grounded and fair one we can have. If any god would rather I discriminate and cause suffering to others, as long as I worship him, that is a disgustingly narcissistic morality.
I think some people believe they can take a shortcut in parenting. Instead of teaching children why they should be good people and model what that would look like, let the church scare them straight. Not working well here in America.
LOVE that podium, Matt! Damn but you would been a powerful preacher, glad you're on our side..
Religion is happy clappy time spent with your family and friends singing and feeling 'good'.
Most religious people arent really religious. They dont follow the bible, they follow what they want to think of as the bible, sanitised and full of flowers and all that good shit.
They think you are trying to take away their community, their happiness. I believe its that, not so much the hell and brimstone that they are defending. Blindly.
Dont make me look at what it actually says, I dont want to understand it, I like sunday singing and my kids go to a nice kids group.
The big bad corporations in charge are the ones doing most of the damnation thing. As an underlying threat to not even think about alternatives. Cos religion is HUGE business. If you can go and just have happy clappy time without the tythe, without paying for a church, without paying for pastors and preachers, damn, these people will have to get proper jobs.Clap louder folks, keep clapping... and while you clap give me money....
:) yep, that's how it is...
Only 7 likes on this comment?! The best one of the many.
+lynda williams Those people are what I call "Cultural Christians" or "Cultural Muslims". Many who either pretend to believe or don't actually give the beliefs much thought day to day. It's still cruel however to even mention the thought of an afterlife of Hell to children. This is still one of the most obvious and prevalent forms of child (mental) abuse going on in modern societies.
Gwai Lou
If I didnt make myself clear, religion is worse than waterboarding. Its torture of the mind thats 24/7. Even /thinking/ of an alternative will get you burned forever. Thats why I have mixed feelings about religious people. Yes its obvious that its all nonsense /if you allow yourself to think about it/. These poor victims have been indoctrinated from birth to not even go there, that part of their minds has great big STAY AWAY signs all over it. And you arent released from that until you disbelieve. Its a catch 22. Which is the only reason churches can still exist in this modern age. As in North Korea, mind control is the best tool ever. Convince them that their thoughts are being watched, and what the hell do you need an army for? There is no longer any freedom ANYWHERE. Not even if you were the last person on the planet....
To clarify my position. religion is appalling.
+lynda williams if you want to talk about religion i think you should define your terms first.
You're amazing, Matt. Thanks for sharing this with us.
Amen
Yeah Matt has proven gods do not exist, and all theists are stupid. What a guy :)
+Jan Hald how? he has not proven anything. He's not even close. God does exist he's main arguments are about the bible but let me tell you he doesn't argue how science contradicts itself. The bible has proof and there's evidence of the events of the bible. Hell is real former atheist have experience that when near death experience all have said the same thing. You want to believe in Matt because he comforts you knowing that there is no eternal fire waiting for those who reject God. But there is and Jesus is the only way out
Forever JV Sorry I was being sarcastic towards Matt Dillyhunty. He's a total idiot of the first order.
+Forever JV i dont want to believe Matt, i simply understeand that he has the strongest and most logical arguments about the existence of a God. My mind is open. I mean that when someone or something brings new arguments or evidence that can change the way i think, i'll gladly accept them. I feel like what you are trying to do here is frighten me with the idea that if i dont change my mind, hell is waiting for me. I do not take that as a valid nor logical argument. But im willing to listen if you have anything better to say.
These talks are getting better and better, style and content alike.
+Daniel Kazmer Yes! I actually don't come to these to get convince that I am right about being an atheist, or some closet hope I might get convinced to go back to Christianity. It is more for great examples of how to debate, because Matt is a master at it.
I never got this concept of Heaven and Hell. And it is clear that the religious haven't even thought what an 'eternity' actually implies. It reminds me of a rollercoaster ride, sure they are fun, but are they still fun after an hour on one, how about a week or a year? Right, at some point you are going to want to get off that rollercoaster. Just like at some point, after you have done everything a billion times, over and over again you would want to 'get off' the Heaven ride. Literally, in the end, Heaven would become a Hell for everyone.
The only answer to that I've heard is that "God will make it so we'll never get bored, ever! We'll be happy constantly praising him! Glory!"... My response is simple: "Then that wouldn't be me! That sounds boring as fuck. I'd be a happy-robot, not a human! If that's what god wanted, then he/she/it should have just made an army of happy-bots instead of going through all this creation/fall/sacrifice bullshit"
+Philo Judaeus of Alexandria Exactly.
you guys are right maybe heaven is not for everyone! maybe for some ppl it would be like hell!
but why god is not allowed to punish ppl that say we dont want eternal life with god! but without him yes that would be awesomen!
and trust me even if you dont know it there are ppl close to life without god or even allready able to!
so god gave you everything you have! and now you wanna get ride of him? well no wonder he made hell!
first of all hell is not for humanity! we are dust we will die and release or energy back to god! we are not eternal NOW!
so for us hell is the 2nd death! its not a torture but you never be able to life again!
and the hell made of burning sulfer is made for satan and his fallen angel! witch are allready eternal sons of god!
and they knew what will be there punishment for the rebellion agains god!
bla blub I just wanna say.. the lake of fire is called the second death..
hell I translated from sheol/Hades Gahenna and tarturus..
Realyl hell shouldn't even be in the bible because it confuses the truth about what Jesus and people in the Bible were saying..
for instance the parable of lazuras and the rich man is talking about Hades...
yes but in the times when these myths first arose people likely dreamed of a land where they could go and all their problems would go away, Life everywhere was very difficult for a long time. I understand where you are coming from, but you have to understand why it seemed like a good idea back then. Struggling to survive day in and day out, they needed a mental escapism to keep them occupied and focused on something.
If sin is inherent in human nature then why should I trust anyone about anything???.....especially a christian telling me to believe in jesus....how can I be certain that his advice isn't just another manifestation of that sin....
For me, one of your very best videos. Helped me a great deal. Thankyou!
Fear is the single most powerful emotion I can imagine. I wish I could frighten people into sending me $20. Unfortunately, the priests, politicians, and attorneys have the corner on that market.
Why would a God that can magically fix all, heal all, make sure you live an existence of peril, uncertainty and suffering?
+Mike Alstatt Cuz apples. Foiled the Perfect Plan.
Yes apples. He had it all set up beautifully, and oops, it all went wrong. Our bad. But how do you account for a system where 2 newborns, with no life experience, no prior older humans to help guide them, have to know exactly what is the right thing to do, and how it will affect the existence of billions of people for thousands of years. Most scifi is not this far out there
Mike Alstatt
Yeah. I am God. I created you, like yesterday. You have no experience...including even the concept of what right and wrong ARE.
See that tree over there? Yeah, the one I put nice and close to the clearing where you will "sleep" (explains what sleep is. Takes about 5 minutes cuz Adam has zero knowledge).
Okay, now I am...well the guy who was here when you woke up for the first time. I created you (then has to explain what created means.)
The only things you can know are what I installed in your OS...and what I tell you. So that tree over there. No, Adam. Focus. Yes, that's a platypus. Yes, it doesn't look anything like the elephant, does it? Okay now where was I?
Oh yeah. You don't know right from wrong. You won't ever know right from wrong...unless you eat one of the red things on that tree over there. But don't do that, cuz that would be wrong.
No, I can't explain wrong to you. That would kinda spoil the elaborate setup that is My Perfect Plan and therefore cannot fail...
That is a silly statement .... why do you think God should override every persons free will and make it perfect for all, all the time. What that would entail is a planet of robots. God ain’t gonna do it. God will fix every injustice in his own time. In Jesus he became human and stepped into suffering ... he shared in human pain ... he didn’t distance himself from it. God is not at anyone’s beck and call to give them a five star existence. The bible says to expect hard times in life .... God promised no one a bother free life on this planet. But his retirement plan is awesome. Reject it if you want .... your choice
God wouldn't be overriding our free will if we declare that we don't want eternal torture or a life of misery on earth. Meanwhile, what about your God's free will? How do you know he isn't sinning as we speak? I guess he's a robot programmed to never sin. Jesus Christ-bot?
Atheism saved my life to hell with my sick family who never stopped scaring me of hell
Welcome to reality!
“Atheism” didn’t save you. You yourself saved yourself 👍🏻
Why would anyone worship someone who send people to hell? Many people have told me because they love God.
My response is, what does love have anything to do with causing endless pain forever
The belief of someone being eternally subjected to hell fire originally comes from genuine hatred and pure desire of vengeance. Why would an omnibenevolent god force someone to eternal suffering when he can kill your supposed soul and make it vanish, just like it didn't exist before you were born? Death is actually a benevolent thing, eternal punishment? That's absurdly immoral. Punishment only serves to bring awareness and correctness. It has no moral purpose if you live forever in punishment.
The issues you bring up a very poignant and relevant. The first issue I have to say is that no one can really understand the mind of God! The second issue is and about the kinds of religion around the world, the real issue is having selected the right one because in the end among all the religions there is only one!Listening to the conditions that constitutes hell is most certainly frightening indeed and as a believer it frightens me but perhaps that is partially the reason for the existence of Hell it gives humans a reason for staying on the straight and narrow. Usually slapping humans on the risk doesn't account for much.It is easy to say that God is not a good God because he has condemned man to eternal (horrible) punishment however we as human beings have no idea what the value of sin is or the value of a human life.We are quick to ignore the evil that man does from our days of the Egyptians and to present day man's inhumanity towards man (horrible) Has Been Frightening! Egyptian rulers forcing people into slavery from birth to death, people viciously attacking, mutilating, raping in pretty much any other horror one can think of man no doubt has been involved in such.If one is to believe God alone has given man life and man turns around and says guess what I don't believe in you so stuff that in your pipe and smoke it!So it strikes me that God is going to get to a point where he says look is only going to be two addresses Heaven or Hell you decide!
Le F The issue is very simple and there's no need for circular reasoning at all. If you claim that god is omni-benevolent and made us in his image, we understand enough about morals to understand god's morality, so when you claim that god has created a special place of eternal suffering without any possible way of redemption (or that god sends non-believers to hell simply because they couldn't find enough evidence to be convinced of such, since you have no choice in your beliefs, you either are convinced or not by your own reasoning which you have no direct control of), and if we as limited beings made in god's image, see that as immoral, because there's no moral purpose in eternal punishment, then there's undeniably either a lie in the claim that god is moral, or in the claim that we get our morals from god, OR in both claims and that it's much more reasonable to believe that any theistic god so far was invented by mankind to control their societies by instilling the fear of eternal punishment in people's minds.
There's no getting around on it. You can try to justify god's morality by asserting the he got angry at us as a wrathful dad that is making an ultimatum to his mischievous children or asserting that we don't understand the value of sin to god and that therefore somehow he's morally justified to make us suffer forever.
None of these assertions justify god's immoral actions. Do you understand that?
To Me like You're Making the Same Argument That so Many People Claim That They Need Proof of God's Existence, First of All I Don't Believe That Fallacy (Needing to Know God Exists) Because We Have Enough Evidence to Show That Even in the Face of Truth and Reality People Can Still Not Believe. Biblical History Indicates Very Few People at the Time Believed That Jesus Could Be the Son of God and Based on Their Ignorance They Killed Him for It!
You Complain about God but You Never Complain about the Lust That Man Has Had on This Earth for so Long, You Don't Complain about the Innocent People Who Have Suffered and Died at the Hands of Man, You Don't Complain about the Lying That Goes on Generation after Generation, You Don't Complain about How Sons and Daughters Disrespect Their Parents, You Don't Complain about Parents Disrespecting Their Sons and Daughters, Etc. and Based on How People like You Think Than Those Who Have Suffered at the Hands of Men Should Simply Be Satisfied Because God Says Hey I'm Not Going to Punish Them Because I'm a Loving God and You Just Have To Suck It up!
Why do you have an issue with God punishing evil and sin?
bulldogsbob Because punishing someone forever for not believing in him or even just getting laid out of marriage for example and not repenting doesn't grant any moral value to it. Why not vanishing them off reality itself? Isn't death a much more moral action than pure unlimited vengeance?
This guy is seriously the best.
That's why I would give him an exorcist priest role.
watch the devil and father amorh trailer the big piocture is not the trailer the big picture is the events that took place there
A really excellent lecture to dispel the nonsensical fear - thought provoking and compassionate. The indoctrination of 'hell' is the same kind of lies a child abuser tells their victim in order to ensure their silence and compliance... And there does seem to be a 'receptor in our brain's for superstitious fear (try separating a sports star from their lucky underpants) which can make the 'hell' habit hard to kick, and easy for an abuser to engage.
What does the person say in hell??
I thought there would more country music.
Christopher Hitchens would be proud .. absolutely lucid
I've never taulked with this Dillhunty fellooow. But I imagine he is well versed biblical scholar and even moreso an intelligent debater. AIIE DO Believe there is something to be gained from his way of slowly explaining and rationalizing AOOL Sides of every ArrGument. I'd love an Oportss-oonity to sit down and taoulk with him.
My attempts at trying to mimick the Hitchens British accent.
gninja92 recieve Jesus pray repent
Rob A dont decieve yourself pray repent linked vids my account
no one is deceiing themselves. What 's much more accurate and true is that you and every other religious person has been deceving the world for thousands of years except you guys no longer have total power over us.
When God comes into my life first then i will beleive him.. but im done getting on my knees and fasting and forgiving people who do me wrong ,for nothing in return.
Also if adma and Eve were our first parents were they an interracial couple?
This was an incredible speech. I'm very thankful to have stumbled across it! Well done and thank you!
Great speech, I especially liked the restaurant story, about which kid is the more moral one.
+neuromatiker I did, too. But the religious retort would be, "That's what's great about Jesus - you get to use both methods". That very well may be the best method of making people obey whatever you want them to obey. Manipulate them with reason/propaganda then reward/punish.
You must be new.. he tells that story all the time
I didn't exist for however many millions of years and it didn't bother me one little bit . And very soon I will be dead for however many millions of years . And that will not bother me one little bit either . All I can do is make the very most of my brief moment in the sun and make this life a little better for everyone I meet .
Theists will argue that if there is no afterlife than what is the point of living a happy life, which is about the dumbest reasoning I have ever heard. Why would someone with one chance at life not want to make the best of it.
For those theists who believe in an afterlife, they can be the biggest dicks in the world but as long as they repent before death all is forgiven and they go to heaven. Seems like a get out of jail free card to me.
Adam N
I think theist would argue that without an afterlife/God life at an intellectual level becomes meaningless, not necessarily at an emotional level.
Given that there is only one chance at life the most logical way to live is that of selfishness and pleasurability, not doing things for other people that will ultimately end up having no purpose or meaning.
Seriously great talk Matt
In Genesis 3:19 God states the fate of man rather definitively. Additionally, in Deuteronomy 4:2 God directed that man is not to change, add to or detract from his word. Yet, the New Testament, in its entirety, stands in violation of Deut. 4:2. Additionally, throughout the Old Testament, we have God dealing personally with the Jews. The latter could never do anything right for extended periods. In response, God urged, coerced, threatened and punished them over and over and over again. Yet, He never told them or threatened them with hell and eternal damnation or promised them eternal heaven. Never. It is in the New Testament that we get this entire refutation and overhaul of Genesis 3:19. In so many ways, the New Testament calls God a bumbling and deceitful liar, who was, in effect, rebelled against, overcame and replaced by Jesus. Did God retire with a fat IRA and 401K? If the truth matters, then let it be told.
to me hell is laughable, its like telling me theres a square circle
To square a circle, is the union of the male and female.
That's all of Christianity. This whole phenomenon in the west is bizarre. People take this nonsense so seriously.
You can lead a religious person to reason
But you can't make him think.
One of the best sermons I have ever heard.
Hell for atheists? Being tied to a chair for all eternity in a room with G-Man and Kent Hovind. LOL
G-man and Kent would just start arguing among themselves while I escape. 😆
Hell is real.
My Ex-Wife has a Time-Share there.
That was a nice analogy with the two children in a restaurant.
Teaching children to think is better than teaching children to fear.
When I left christianity I was desperate to fill the void and needed reassurance and turned to new age. I was in it for a year. It left me with more depression an anxiety ontop of what christianity gave me. Thanks to Matt dillahunty. I gotten over what christianity did for the most part. In still tormented by what I was fed in new age.
With threats of punishment there is an inverse proportionality between the severity of the punishment and the likelihood of it happening.
In orther words, the _less likely_ a punishment is, the more severe it needs to be, and vice versa. So, since Hell is the most severe punishment imaginable, it's also the least likely to even exist.
I was actually there. We to eat afterwards. Matt Dillahunty my son, autographed a picture for me and everything. I was starstruck for real. I couldn't even think straight sitting next to him. Which I know sounds really stupid. But I'm not ashamed. The man truly is a genius.
Thank you for this video!
You are totally right about carrying that fear of hell with you even though you haven’t believed in years.
I’m breathing a little easier having listened to this. Thank you.
I was liscensed to preach in the Southern Baptist Church when I was 6 yrs old. At Scrubcreek Texas, and now after walking away from that Society at 59, I am grateful to have found your videos, and learn from you. Thank you.
Since I am Catholic, I am finding this speech interesting. I have been feeling this way for quite a while. This does help me understand myself a little more. I am currently on the fence about atheism and all of this. There are many questions that atheist cannot answer. I did subscribe because I believe there is more to both ideas. Thanks so much.
What questions do you think atheist can not answer? I'm sure you will get some decent responses here.
Sorry for the late response. I did not see the notification!
Anyway, for instance, the shroud of Turin. Yeah I brought that into play. There are things on this that science cannot explain at all. And what does the community believe about the afterlife? I can't really seem to get a good answer. It's all over the place. And what made alot of people ditch the faith. Some things I agree with like when bad things happen, "oh god will punish them don't worry." WHAT?! Thanks for the response, hopefully good help.
TK Cyberglyph There is no afterlife, the fear of death is part of what fueled our belief in a higher power. Nobody wants to accept that our time on Earth is limited, but I think that stops people from living a fulfilling life. Without the complete understanding that your existence is finite and linked only to your ability to keep physiologically functioning, then some may not truly make as big of an impact. The facade of some sort of amazing "afterlife" let's people accept terrible hardships throughout life, blindly putting their faith into a creator that in any religion has no concrete evidence and is usually immoral or contradicting. Worry about living your life now, and accept that you make all the decision for you. No magic man is dictating your fate based on how moral you are, but morality is still important. There doesn't need to be religion for morality. I was a Christian before stepping back and objectively looking at religion. Once you do it seems crazy that soo many believe these thousands of different stories all contradicting one another.
While the idea that there is no afterlife does seem to be the most common atheist view technically as atheism is just the lack of being religious you could have any or no answer to those kinds of questions and still count. Keep in mind though that that often having no answer can be far more honest than saying you do
Though i suppose technically if whichever answer you have is deity based then i think its not atheism
This brings memories of some christians tried to convert my friend by saying to him "You don't
have to go to hell", "Join our faith and you will avoid infinite/eternal punishment"
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It’s a sales pitch
Awesome ! Thanks Matt. From my dinner table I’m watching your videos and out the window I can see the SB church that indoctrinated me as a child about a burning hell. I’m slowly but surely recovering from the abuse. Awesome 👏
Generally speaking:
Hell is other people.
Just saying (with questionable authority)
This is unbelievably powerful. Thank you, Matt.
I wasn't alive for millions of years and it didn't trouble me one little bit .
pretty much
Dude this comment is great
The logic in this speech was just flawless. The only issue I have is they've labelled this a 'debate'.
Matt's one of the most influential figures whose videos have helped me find reality.
Holy fuck. Incredible. Saddest comment on UA-cam.
+Atheist On Demand how so?
Child Boo Bong Manding said Matt helped him find "reality" when Matt confuses what is not real with what is real. Saying "Jim does not believe there is a god" says what is not real about Jim and doesn't make Jim anything... the proof is it is true if Jim is not anything. Matt says that it makes Jim an atheist. Matt's grasp of atheism itself confuses what reality is not with what reality is. And this is the man that taught Bong about reality?
Holy fuck.
Atheist On Demand
*Saying "Jim does not believe there is a god" says what is not real about Jim and doesn't make Jim anything*
What the fuck does this even mean? You seem to be one of those types of persons that either pretends to be or seriously believes that he is really deep and shit, but really isn't. Matt's "grasp of atheism" is, and to my knowledge, has always been the lack of belief in the existence of God or gods. That's what atheism is. If Matt helped Bong Manding with finding a reality that doesn't include gods that works for him, then good for Matt and Bong.
Child Boo It means it says nothing about X to say X does not do or does not have something. Saying X lacks Y, doesn't refer to X at all and obviously Dillahunty thinks it does.
A lack of belief is not anything, so it is not atheism... and it doesn't refer to the atheist to say the atheist lacks something.
Thank you again do much !!!!! I wad raised Buddhist / Taoist. They also mention a lot about a kind of hell and limbo, lots of evil spirits, demons etc etc etc. It was super scary growing up in both temples, some of the statues used to scare me as a kid. Eventually, by age 6 though, I started to become infatuated with how beautiful the artwork and statues became to my little self. When I started to study on my own at public libraries. I started to figure out for myself that it's all the creative work of the human mind. I've never experienced any supernatural events, but all too many people around me told me a lot of their experiences. So I felt extremely isolated, left out and thus extremely curious. True before I developed critical thinking etc as Matt mentioned.
It's an extremely lonely life, sometimes still lonely, because ad an artist, I lose many opportunities in many communities to perform and thrive, because most of the communities which accepts my music happen to be of spiritual backing. Spiritual non profits and communities are extremely wealthy, extremely wealthy.
I'm content to be alone in my critical thinking. So I'm so grateful for these amazing talks online. I feel confident in my art form and I don't need to be hired by spiritual communities if my views are triggering them.
I don't need so much wealth. I definitely need more critical and logical knowing ^_^
Every time I hear from Matt, I learn at least one thing.
Matt, you're a legend! Thanks for discussing this.
If religion would disappear today. Every one would have to start thinking for their selves. We would have to except that we are accountable for one another as well as our selves and not to some invisible nobody. All the energy that goes into lying to your selves and others to propagate a crowed to feel safe in could then be diverted to solving real world problems with real world solutions. If we attach ignorance our children would become wiser our cultures could evolve. When every one is on the same page what could we do? Could we find a utopia together without devision? Could we conqueror greed and vanity? Would woman quit hanging the toilet paper on backwards? We may some day find out if greed, vanity and the corruption they bring will end but only if we work together and realize our accountably to one another and not to an imaginary being. Keep up the good work Matt Dillahunty. The Jews don't believe in hell not for the same reasons. Neither should we. Hell is a woman trying to survive her father selling her into sex slavery?marriage. Hell is hear among us if anywhere and we are the ones who make it. We are the creator of our own delusions.
This helped me so much! Thank you, thank you!
Awesome job, Matt. Keep up the good work.
If Hell’s full of atheists, that means Stephen Hawking will be there. It can’t be THAT bad
The carrot and stick metaphor analogy at the end regarding morality and behaviour was brilliant
This was the best 30 minutes of viewing ever, so well explained and I felt like rejoicing when it finished for being an atheist.
You cannot understand anything about the afterlife, or Heaven or Hell or eternity with a human mind. It all has to be accepted by faith and understand that it is far about what we can reason now. None of anything he says in this video is valid, because he is trying to reason with human logic. You cannot explain God with human logic....because He isn't human. 'We see now through a dark vale, but then (after this life) out eyes will be open and will see and understand...' the Apostle Paul.
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Faith is without evidence so I have no reason to believe in a afterlife by definition, heck even if it was real if I have no evidence proving it is I am still justified to not have believed in it
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