EMP Santhrax talks Street Fighter V to 3rd Generation Teammates
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- Опубліковано 11 вер 2024
- Shortly after midnight on November 11th, 2017 in Ottumwa Iowa before the announcement of Street Fighter 5 season 3; Sanford talks to the new members of his team Empire Arcadia about Street Fighter V and what are some of the problems with the games. He goes in depth about why Capcom games today are not as good as they were a decade ago.
@Gary Hey B, so... I wanted to talk to you about that. See... there's this thing in gaming called Marketing. The guy in the mask is working on building up his youtube "persona", something like MF Doom, but just for gaming. So he wears a mask. You can check his youtube page out here ua-cam.com/users/Blaquepauldron
Your fake gansta or bravado of acting like your cool is suspect at best. You see.... you're on a youtube page about gaming... watching a Street Fighter 5 review at hours of the night, commenting about a person you have no idea about, trying to make the correlation between the guy getting laid and wearing a mask. I for one wear a Powerglove to pay homage to my roots in gaming and its a reflection of my persona as a gamer but it does not define me and it has nothing to do with me getting laid as my fiance from Jamaica can atest to that.
Finally.... I think you really need to look back at yourself and evaluate what is really important in life because concerning yourself with where the man in the mask dick has been, shouldn't be a concern of any man. Real recognize real... and you're looking real unfamiliar.
Oh... one more thing, don't get it twisted. We like video games but we grew up in the hood and the 3rd world. Spanish Town JA, Boston Road BX and Crown Heights BK. Our options was either catching the jux, laying peeps down, get locked up or get put in the box, or use gaming to make something of ourselves. Don't get it twisted, stay in your lane.
You're so sexy hunny. Stop worrying about what he says hurry up and finish your business in the US and come home so I can give you this exotic island "SUGAR" you've been missing.
Behave yourself hunny.
Excellent rebuke and probably the best advice he's had in life that might actually SAVE his life...lol Btw, I wanted to like the comments between you and your lady as i like to see Solid families but er um...I'll let YOU handle that fam. lol Peace
Yes, I am from Jamaica and I'm of age and legal. I'm a lot younger than him. Why do you ask?
YEAH why do you ask? Come on, fuckass!
Short of the story. Sanford thinks Capcom games today are garbage and made for kids. He's not wrong.
Ryu is just an honest character in a dishonest game.
lol. Nice way of saying "trash".
im good with a knife in a gunfight is basically what ur saying.
I edited it lol
I love this saying I thumb you up
EmpireArcadia You are right on this. Ryu was absolutely honest in SFIV but he was quite good cause you have to respect him in situations you don’t have to vs other characters and his tools equalize him even in his more difficult matchups. He was honest in the good ways not trash like u showed here in this point in SFV.
One does not simply get tired of listening to Sanford Kelly.
Baqsam haven't even played sf5 but I was surprisingly captivated.
Finally, a discussion/debate on the truth of these games without some naive punk in the room keep ignorantly repeating "quit being so negative" or "just adapt". It was a good clear truthful discussion
"just git gud mahn!"
What else can you do? You cant just change the code to your liking.
@@juhabakapeci4108 play a different game
@@zozma38 yup! I love the Street Fighter franchise but despise SFV. Hated doing it but had to drop SFV
"Ik this game is shit but you need to adapt and get good"
Hello?
Sanford was right, capcom only made SF6 easier. In SFV you had to wait till you had v-trigger and activate to get your free mixup, in SF6 - you start the round with enough gauge for 2 completely free drive rush cancel mixups on any blocked normal
Sf6 is vtrigger on steroids
New found respect for Mr. Sanford! Great analysis and he is 100 % correct!
Great video! I agree about everything except the Stun Bar.
The Stun Bar itself is not a bad thing, it's the lack of good defensive tools and the heavy emphasize on guessing that's the real problem.
Why is there a stun meter (or any stun) at all? A player should have to finish their opponent off on their own. Right now the SB is adding insult to injury and assisting as a crutch. Most matches won in SFV because someone became stunned. It doesn't even promote the losing player to play more active. When your SB is high, you're more than likely become defensive. Bring back the guard meter to stop super-defensive play. All people do in SFV is fish for stun and crush counters. You can't play real footsies with CCs on normals and stun.
I agree , they have a stun bar in 3rd strike and even alpha. If I get to work at Capcom thats for something I want to change and be wanting to change. I miss where the pro beat us because they were actually better than us. Its like all of the sudden in real life boxing a scrub who is given special gloves can now beat a pro, like what! where is the skill involved? I love losing knowing it was my fault completely and get better as I loose like in 3rd strike for example.
Not stunned, because every company does that. Sometimes the fans have better ideas etc. To work for capcom is a dream of mine and to work on Street Fighter!
Really though like I think sf4 ultra was the best
My only problem with the stun bar is that even in third strike the application was more complicated, and every individual bar from your super bar, health bar, and stun bar all had characters that only excelled at a few of them, but not all of them. Everyone seems to stun at the exact same rate in SF5, and that just adds to a lack of variety.
Now I can see why Daigo started to play Guile instead of Ryu.
ZeroHyperGaming Daigo has used plenty of characters besides Ryu. He played Yun in Arcade Edition, Ken in 3rd Strike, and Guile now. Make no mistake, he will play a good character over Ryu any day.
I guess that's why he did a FT10 with Infil with Ryu. Or used him against momochi in winners bracket in stunfest 2015.
Always used him
He mad a great point concerning the stun bar. That is a "tell" that is basically signifying your vulnerability. There is no mystery. That is an unnecessary aid to your opponent. You dont "need" a stun bar indicator.
I dropped this game because of the first thing mentioned. It's infuriating being able to SEE a move before it makes contact and still not be able to block it.
I got caught by so many laura overheads because of this bs. You are forced to GUESS.
flyingbutthole you always have to guess in other fighting games if your opponent is in a strong position. In Sfv you guess in -neutral-
I mean... unblockables were huge in USF4 and were toned down in SFV
And guessing is part if basically every fighting game, it would be boring if there wasnt guessing
Yes. I know as long as you are close to laura it's guess work....and alot of reads...thats whyi just block low..watch for the high and respond when it's my turn.
Unblockables were widely considered to be detrimental the game, were later fixed, and admitted to be a design flaw. Not an adequate comparison as such. And again, guessing in NEUTRAL is the problem here. Unblockables did not come from neutral.
Man, this video has aged so well. It's even more true now. So basically scrubs have in this game: V-Trigger, easy ass combos, Crush Counter, no risk from jumping, full screen safe on block EX moves, no chip deaths, and stuns in 2 combos or right guesses. The only thing missing is a win button.
As a Ryu main, this is one of the best breakdowns of why he's hot garbage.
He's not trash, the only reason why he is so low in the charts is because his dragon punch has been reduced, most characters can deal with fireballs and a lot of people don't want to put in that work. Most of his fights are 50/50 I play with Ryu, Alex, zangief and Juri.
Ryu is the most honest character period they toned him down way too much. They killed his fireball and then his dp. He's way too basic already now he has really no okie while other characters have brain dead easy 50/50 v trigger combos
Skip Fuego Ryu is 100% trash. He lacks a far reaching poke, has zero setups off throw unless it's in the corner and even then he isn't on good advantage, he has one of the worst vtriggers in the game, and lacks a consistent CC poke that most of the cast has. Try fighting Balrog, a character like him amplifies Ryu's weaknesses perfectly. He can literally stand exactly mid range or closer and cover all of Ryu's options off a simple reaction. You can be good with Ryu, but Ryu is not good.
His V-trigger is the same thing as it was in 3rd Strike...Only thing different is the damage. I'm not damage hungry at all because I know my characters tools can save me and I know the point of having him. Second, I beat Ultra diamond Mike Bison(Balrog) players all the time! That is what's wrong with the North American Players now...Ya'll are so damage hungry and don't want to put in work with the characters you like. I see more online warriors putting in more work with their mains than the well-known pros ya'll like so damn much. Come on! Wasn't this the same guy who placed a 100 or 200 dollar match and lost and then claim he doesn't play the game. Sanford has excuses after excuses why he isn't playing this game. His favorite character is coming back in the new installment
Skip Fuego It's not about the damage at all. Other than being a one time combo extender his vtrigger has no other use. There are many characters who can literally turn the tide of a match and get multiple mixups or extra options by activating trigger. And congrats on beating a Balrog player, my point is still true. Did you think what you said makes Ryu better or..? Just to reiterate it's not about damage it's about options. Ryu doesn't have options with the tools he has now when comparing to the rest of the cast. And talking trash on NA players doesn't make sense. The best Ryu players (Daigo, Tokido, NL etc.) all dropped Ryu for a reason. This is why.
Preach sanford Preach. Nerfed is an understatement they delete Ryu.
Devon Stephenson might as well delete ryu and make Alex the posterboy of street fighter 5.
MK Player Yeah. Except that Alex sucks even more.
He’s back
There is so much realness in this video. Sanford just gives it to you straight up with so much passion, no politically correct bullshit. Even I who was Ultra Diamond I quit the game months ago because it lacks the substance of old Capcom games.
Please make more content with Sanford, he's always been interesting to listen to.
Will do.
I was never aware of these glaring holes, and always attributed the majority of my problems in this game to horrible defense on my part. Granted, I got a ton to work on, but this was a huge help in understanding the adjustments I need to make against some of these gameplay tactics.
so true! :/
I been playing ryu for a week out of curiosity . I want to die /mika main here
ricslick Actually you're not the problem, it's the stupid game.
Input delay is bad you ever been hit with a overhead and you was like hey I blocked that, that’s why the leader board on sf5 is full of frauds
Sanford speaks the truth but people will brush it off like he's some tinfoil hat yelling nonsense in the streets of NYC.
Ill scrap anyone from NYC in street fighter catch me in Brooklyn
But he is yelling nonsense lol
Stormtrooper 2323 yeah he mad cause he keeps getting bodied in sfv and like other games he cant find a way around it
If ur trash ur trash that's it no excuse
Dontae' Duncan yeah lol the japanese gods are doing better now in this game hes the type of guy that you dont want to be around at the arcade
Why isnt this video on eventhubs?lol
Mister Anthony it would be full of down votes from noobs that’s why
It should be , but it doesn't fit their propaganda
I'm saying lol
Eventhubs would NEVER shed light on this video 😂😂😂
Eventhubs is full of CapCops ready to defend sfv even though its straight up garbage.
This is 100% true. This gets me depressed.
You guys should do more videos like these triforce!, Having your players like sandford talk about certain mechanics of the game or his opinions on season changes, state of the FGC in your players opinions.
I plan to, especially for 2018.
EmpireArcadia then you get a sub.
Anthony Rodriguez agreed. I wanna see more of this.
Sanford is just stating 100% facts. It's really very simple. This game was meant for scrubs and noobs period. It was purposely dumbed down and is heavily based on guessing rather than skill/reactions/execution. They wanted to bring in the casual player and completely ignored the old school players that supported them for years. The games not changing, the gameplay will continue to be brain dead trash. Adding new characters, useless costumes, and a million stages isn't gonna make the game good but the Capcom sheep will continue to be gullible.
RB M the old school players are actully saying the opposite thing
This is the same problem with Killer instinct season 3
Maybe you should learn how to read frame data and adapt to a new game. Sounds to me like you are the scrub. So sad. SFV is the best streetfighter there ever has been and is only GROWING in popularity for a reason. It is a great game changing ESPORTS forever.
Quickplaya the greatest what? You must be joking any game that shits on legacy skill accumulated over decades is an abomination you know what game didn't do that? Tekken. You won't see randoms beating people that have been doing this for as long as daigo has in that community.
Players like du and smug earned their spot in sfiv and this one mena as well but ask yourself this how accomplished do you really feel knowing that the game was dumbed down so you could beat someone of tokido's caliber? It's a slap in the face to everyone win or lose.
Anyone who says that SF5 is the best SF ever doesn't know a damn thing about SF or games in general lol. If there wasn't a Capcom Pro Tour or Capcom Cup this game would've died a long time ago. The only reason most "pros" play this game is cause they have to for their job/sponsor. Most don't like the game and never have but it's the current SF so they just play it.
We are many players still that play usfiv in the arcade here in Tokyo, Nagoya & Osaka. The pros needed the money that is why they play V (feed there family). But the rest of us who have a job/that can play a high reaction/execution game, we dont need to sell our souls to a garbage game like V. Come over here Sandford and play with us! :)
Zeuvs da God!!!
I'm going to say this again, this needs to be a series. Sanford complaining about stuff, and explaining it is ENTERTAINING, even more than most gameplay that's out here.
multiplayer games in general are being dumbed down...and thanks to esports nobody will ever see the truth.
Fully R3D thank you.
What sanford is saying about the game is legit, regardless of personal views. i see people who could not even make 2000pp in SF4 making diamond to ultra diamond in this game. The game is not about skill, why do you think it took daigo so long to adapt to the game, and even when he did he still isnt placing as high as he used to. The frame lag on this game does not justify the frame data given to the characters. There are so many characters with minus framed buttons or specials which you can not punish cleanly i.e kolin, young zeku, f.a.n.g...the list goes on. The game was made to make less skilled or experienced players feel more confident about fighting against experienced players, even worse the frame lag on this game used to be about 9 frames.... Fair play if you disagree, but regardless this is the worst street fighter game in history. Even games like 3rd strike which has a very strict input system are still a lot more fun to play than this. I still try and play this game regardless, but when i find myself not being able to react or punish things, then deciding to block and be patient (which is the first ticket to being beaten...) i get put in throw loops, i have literally seen characters like rashid dash from a good distance..pressed a button, see my button coming out and been thrown out of the button... this is why throw loops on this game work, on SF4 you could not do this, a normal will always interupt a throw, even at times if it is timed poorly. I keep hoping this game will change for the better but it doesnt look like it.
That's me. I got my diamond Ed in this meanwhile can't make 1k pp on USF4. I think I have an excuse though.... SFV online feels faster then SF4 Online. Probably because the gameplay is tied to the framerate. Maybe that argument comparing the online play between both games is invalid.
Lamar Cockrell im not condeming people who are doing better in SFV than USF4, I just think the game design does not promote skillful play or forcing people to learn how to play fighters. If you are using the current tools in a traditional way to win, that is to be expected since because of the game. But if you are e.g an akuma player spamming Cr.HP for crush counters or pressure you are not using skill you are abusing the games mechanics
Because of the games nature*
K Man Music Deep Medi i was at one point 4k pp in sf4 but now i cant make it to platinum i swear! Dafuq man
I got 3.5kpp in sfiv (Poison) but I can't get to Platinum in sfv. Shit makes zero sense to me. Its why I dropped it and moved on to Tekken 7. I'm in the orange ranks in that (16th Dan, Vindicator Asuka) and I actually feel like I'm getting better/making progress every time I turn the game on. I've been playing Tekken since I was 15. I'll be 35 in June.
Its (Tekken 7) a superior fighting game in every way possible.
I fully believe the conspiracy of Ryu & ChunLi being nerfed badly on purpose by Capcom, to give semi-pro and pro players incentives to use other characters in competitive play.
That way, the new and returning characters would have more exposure on streams, weekly tourneys and in tourneys.
The casuals who don't play competitively, will still play Ryu and ChunLi regardless of those characters being "good" or not.
For some reason I always come back to this video because it's weirdly cathartic. I don't even play SV. I play Smash, but just the passion with which he's talking about competitive games really relaxes me and makes me feel sane. I dunno if that makes sense.
Its sad that this is happening and they refuse to fix it. but they can push out shit tons of chun li costumes its outrageous
lol ^^
Not sure if this is a joke but there's no relation there at all lol
Kroxas. The problem comes from the community giving them support, and ignoring the fact Ono makes those stupid decisions, he is the main problem going on in the FGC, and needs to be called out for his BS.
and I'll still buy them because I'm a fuckin idiot
There’s a stun bar in SFV? Mind blown. All this new tech he’s dropping about how there’s 6 frames of lag and stun bars will surely help me and the new members up our game!!! Thanks for uploading. Going into training mode now to practice not being able to block! Nah, kidding glad to see Tri-Force Johnson’s still around.
Capcom is trying too hard to make the game appeal to casuals. it was 8f when it first came out, people are talking like 6.5 is a huge improvement already lmao. 6.5 + latency is what make grapplers so strong. You try to do delayed neutral jump but you just end up getting grabbed anyway. Game is shit...some characters have waaaay 2 much advantage over certain chars. Pros wont be playing this piece of shit if it wasn't for the money.
I just stumbled upon your channel cuz of this video and I’m glad I did. Hearing somebody passionate about street fighter point out the issues with the game opened my eyes being that I’m new to the series.
Good video! I actually like hearing Sanford Kellys view on a lot of sfv/capcom things
I agree with everything, except for Ryu being the worst. Try playing Juri. Same problems, but you have to store every useful attack on top of that.
Video games series' EXPOSED: Street Fighter edition w/ EMP Santrax 😆
Still can't block dash punch on reaction.
2022
Woah, this was very interesting. Cool to see the mindset of a pro SF player
Its hard af for me to type this.... But some of LTG's rages on SFV are JUSTIFIED!!! Just watch the vid and see.
So with all the changes and the game now in its final state, does all this still stand?
Someone please say yes 🙏🏾
Yes
game still fucking sucks. hopium for sf6
Wait. . . . .isn't this the guy who broke his next level stick?
or was it the headphones tho
Yes this Sandford. You will never see reactions and reads like these in SF Laggy 5. it's made for people who have shitty reactions hence aa Jabs, Crappy execution ua-cam.com/video/V1xzSZsvVMg/v-deo.html
Terrel Shine had broke the headphones
So?
I love Sanford dude
THIS MAKES SOOOO MICH FREAKIN SENSE NOW.
I just thought my defense was trash😭😭
they patched the input delay to make reactionary possible
RIP Ryu.
Very good Sanford. Very well explained!!
The V-reversal in this game is too weak. Why spend a bar throw someone down...and have them land right next to you...if they wanted to put a "burst" or "alpha counter" they should have made it more effective.
V-reversals are awful and it's like the only defense mechanic this game has.
And this is exactly why melee will never die. No it's not perfect, but its exactly what a skilled player needs....limitless expression with free flow movement
Ryu is trash and then you see a garbage can. lol.
Ryu is trash!?! LOL You're bugging... He might be low tier to some people but he is not trash...Most of his fights is 50/50 due to his 3rd striking abilities and his powerful critical art that takes near the same amount of damage like Balrog's critical art. The only reason why people say he is trash is because a lot of players don't want to put in the work to show his true Potential, and his dragon punch was reduced. Ryu always been a mid tier character because he already have the tools to balance most situations. Do you even play Street Fighter?
agreed a good ryu is scary
Ryu is mid tier , his not that fucking bad
If he were mid tier the pros would actually use him in Season 2
No coz they just want to win...., I don’t think his as bad a people make out him to be , his. Not fang , Alex, juri,
I totally agree, as i too love Ryu and he is my main. He is just trash and all his nerfs seem like Capcom way of just forcing ppl to use other characters. I know Diago was upset, but didn't want to truely express it in an interview. I always said, how can the mascot on the game cover be the number 1 trash character in the who game.
Some more stuff to add to uncle saltford
1. moves that have Iframes on frame 3 or lower can be Crush countered while others can't...
This creates a system with rules that don't always apply.
2. priority system only works on the ground.
This means no priority system for anti air's and air to air's leading to anti air jab beating damn near everything.
There are still things I like about 5, but yeah this is how I've felt since day 1. Going from 4 and being able to anti air most things on reaction, to this game and eating shit whenever I press a button (unless I PREDICT the jump in as opposed to reacting to it). That's the main difference, sf5 is about guessing what will happen next.
welcome to the new generation.
but you know its crazy Because Tekken 7 or TK in general is easy for scrubs to pick up but never at the point where you see randoms destroying the best players. i wonder why capcom couldnt find that balance.
Simply because they dont give a shit. They pretend to.. though which is all good, too.🤗
Couldn’t find? I think it’s pretty obvious they chose to forego it.
Because tekken didn't change that much while every major street fighter version is different. I'm 37 and I played sf 2 > alpha > 3 they all play differently. I played tekken 1 to 3 in the old days they are the same game. Now almost 20 years later I tried playing games again. tekken 7 it still feels like tekken 3.
because its nearby still the same game since t3. thats one very good and strong argument for the game...... if u liked it, u will ever like it. and i like tekken too, besides other nice fighting games.
sfairmaxii and that's the reason why random can't beat the tekken elite players. 20 years of experience is hard to beat. While every street fighter version is different.
I could listen to this dude all day.
I was in the room for the first half of this. I was shocked when I found out how terrible Ryu was.
I see ya broski...Ima start calling SF Doom. We need that kind of energy "with so much drama in the FGC"
I bought the game at the release and i didnt liked it from the first minutes i played it. I couldnt understand why it feld so wrong. ....yes im a casual bob and a fan of SF! But now im shocked, because everything EMP Santhrax said makes sence to me. And i love ryu as my main character. so sad. :( thx, cu & hf
sfairmaxii lol he should be buffed in season 3 but he'll never be 3rd Strike again...sadly But that is the OGs play Zeku. lol ua-cam.com/video/yY3ZeQRP5Ik/v-deo.html
I dropped the game for these same reasons, I agree with sanford
Man I thought I was going crazy until I came by this video!
Third Strike has a stun bar too, and that game is godlike
Amen. Someone who understands! Been playin since 87’ CAPCOM please listen to this man!
Mad respect for Sanford. Wish I knew him coming up in the scene. Seems like he has good insight
Sf3 had a stun bar......other fighting games have stun bar...
This is the point of the rant we are supposed to overlook according to other comments. The problem is that it comes up in the first place discrediting his main argument.
in third strike, you could literally "if you knew how" remove the stun in less than 1second or actually "1second" so when someone stuns > jumps > u`ll either random parry/trade/duck his ability or block, but there's more things in sf3rd stike "parry and so on", in SF5 which i only played little "i dislike it because of the way i see urien ageis + almost every character can hit you to reset from airborne + choose whatever fucking side he wants",and at least in thirdstrike you could parry when you see the ability coming "even if you didn't move and someone else have done the super, you have 0.1sec to start parry after animation hits "when you see thunder on the screen"... and in sf5 preemptive parry? LMFAO
DeathgGod only thing you got from this whole vid in the stun bar
BrowneVisuals that's a very very closed off way to look at my comment. It was my only criticism, what you wanted me to waste the first half of my comment saying "I completely see what you're saying " or "I00% agree yas, sf5 is dead" ? I had one criticism and I made it, simple
Levi ya I don't really get it at all, like does this mean my other fighters are garbage now because I know about the possibility of stun/shield break? Maybe I Think it's unfair that your opponent can see your meter :/ it's a nothing argument
You got dude from the St.Lunatics and J.Cole in this mug
Just imagine if youtube existed when sf3 came out and some veterans didn't adapt to the game....... They'd complain like this man here
Being able to "adapt" requires a certain level of freedom from the game. The less options you have, the harder it is to both have your unique style and to adapt to opponent's style.
This is the reason why people are screaming for more legit defensive options (ie. corner stops being a 50:50 deathtrap that everyone and their grandmothers can abuse) and why characters like Guile, Urien, Akuma, Ibuki, Menat, and even Abigail (ie. ones who gain an additional dimension of options with V-Trigger) are stronger and/or more entertaining to play than the majority of old characters (ie. ones who can use V-Trigger only for a simple combo extension). In addition to lack of options, the bigger input lag and Crush Counter system adds lot more luck in the neutral game, which combined with some design mistakes (such as light jabs beating jump-in attacks so cleanly) makes lot of the experience gained from previous SF titles go waste.
SFIV had the focus system, strong defensive options, and smaller input delay so there was a lot more freedom in everything. One of the best examples of "adaption" in the game was the famous Umehara vs. Infiltration FT10. Umehara won the match 10-2 (with a character that basically everyone at the time agreed to be at big disadvantage) by applying a strategy that according to himself "works in Ryu's favor only if you manage to block Akuma's vortex perfectly, can avoid being cornered, and can build one bar for Shakunetsu (EX Hadouken)".
When it comes to evolution of other games, Guilty Gear Xrd was a "reboot" that made using Roman Cancels both easier (removal of frame tight FRC windows) and more universal (literally everything, including normals, specials, and movement can be YRC'd instead of being limited to select moves), making it both friendlier to casuals and deeper to hardcore players. The game has been at EVO main line-up for the last few years, and the top 8's are filled with long-time veterans like Ogawa, Nage, Nakamura, Omito, and Kazunoko because the "legacy sklls" of GG are still very rewarding.
So the next time you shout "adapt" like a moron, try to think if it's actually possible, even with the same amount of time as SF2 or 3rd players have had with their games.
Everyone hated SF3 LOL, thats not saying anything scurb. 3rd strike is the one everyone loved and that's because it's too damn hard for the common fighting game players we see now in SFV
Penguinator You fucking bodied his ass
Penguinator couldn't have said it better myself
We did, SF3 is one of the least successful Capcom games because of So many changes. But it is also the reason why Marvel vs Capcom 2, Alpha 3, Super Turbo and Third Strike are the most treasured games in Capcom, people simply picked their preferred game.
i wish this was a regular youtube series.
Yeah why the fuck do I have to adjust my timing for PS4 because my PC has less input lag?
I love you Sanford. You dont have to earn it anymore. You're forced to guess. You don't EARN it.
gotta get this video viral, share, like, throw a comment, etc... have eh and srk post it on their site
This video reminded me of the old Gods Arc videos. (Yes, I went back and watch them)
I remember being able to walk n block in SF4.
Token OMG yes
I don't even mess with Street Fighter but it's super dumb that they just added lag straight into the game. You can't do that to a fighting game. They're supposed to feel fluid and responsive.
Tekken is full of 50/50s. There are characters whose entire offense is based around 50/50s. You have to guess all the time. Being called a good guesser in Tekken is a compliment.
Tekken 50/50s aren't like SFV 50/50s because the defender has more than 2 options by nature of the 3d movement system. The only time you're going to be in a true 50/50 during neutral is if you're more than 5 frames negative on your opponent at which point you lose the ability to move. Here, in SFV, you are forced into a 50/50 just by being near someone because there aren't enough defensive options.
Edit: The characters who rely on 50/50s have to work to put you in situations where you're forced to guess between two options because they've cornered you in some way. They're not putting you in 50/50s in neutral.
Joel Henry but tekken is a game with a completely different system compared to every other fighting game on the market right now. It’s more akin to actual ufc fight which requires a lot of reads. Street fighter games have had guessing like in super turbo but in 5 it’s turned to a 10 as every character has some sort of reset mechanic which just makes the whole game of which was originally based off of patience and combos about worrying about being forced to guess in the corner. That’s my view on the whole thing
Apples and Oranges
LOL, another "What about tekken" argument
Leo... The queen of 50 50s
This game was made for people with shitty reflects and shitty execution.
The way capcom is going we might have 5 buttons, 4 for doing combos like Ed and one button to Block.
DL23KMT lol try using menat
O god, Ed is a disgrace to fighting games.
Can we get this dude his own podcast or something?
Outside of the nyc area nobody in this generation knows who he is and he is one of the most entertaining figures in fighting game community
We are working on it.
Damn SANFORD spittin facts about RYU!!!
This aged so good it's collectors item now
THE SHADOW DANCER INTRO SONG! Damn I never expected this...
Did Capcom carry this "Problem" over to Street Fighter 6? Haven't played SF6 yet, was just wondering as this was discussed 6 years ago for Street Fighter 5.
It's sad to see all the players I grew up watching and rooting for hating the games so much now.
I could watch him explain ANYTHING! Great video!
And all this time, I attributed my blocking problem of seeing an attack come at me and still getting hit to my old age and my neurons not firing fast enough.
It's the first Sf game where doing Ryu DP I have to consciously think about doing it. That's how laggy this shit is.
I like how they use a regular HDTV for extra input delay.
Didn't they do that shit in mvci wit one button air combos 🤔or am i wrong here
The balancing in this game is also a problem like how they nerfed alex and feng and others in season 2 that where not really all that good and buffed urien and rog like what made them think about even doing that just to have to change it back like tf
Sanford, I don't know if you read these.. but if you have your sets with Shine can you bring them back? They are now gone from twitch :(
As sad as it is sanford is speaking 100% facts man. But im 100% sure they'll fix it somewhere later down the line.They've been listening lately and they added they just announced characters we wanted, no more silhouettes, and removed *AA JAB AND NERFED COMMAND THROWS/THROW LOOPS* We just gotta let capvom hear our complaints/minds and im damn sure they'll do something about it, also considering ono really wants to give back to us after what happened during the release of the game
Santhrax should bring back family matters tv show
SF2 was a glorious accident, and originally wasnt meant to be deep. Hell......thats most games🤔now that I think about it. Few games have real true depth.
Lol by his demeanor you'd think he was talking about politics or flat earth or debating about how Jesus Christ is the Son of God... but at the same time i like his passion for street fighter because the game really is different. I myself don't like playing anything past Third Strike because they destroyed the mechanics of every game after that.
NO PRESSURE FROM RYU GRAB IM DYING
fastest1321 thats what alot of people say....I dont see how
SHYGUY Chamo When other characters throw you in a corner, you wake up and have to block a button or tech another grab. When Ryu throws you, you can throw out a CC button on wake up and hit Ryu with CC if he presses any buttons, Ryu is also out of range for a second meaty throw unless he dashes up.
Whenever i think about Ryu or Alex i cry
Good 'ol Sanford Kelly... such an OG. Miss the OG's...
You'll be hard pressed to find an OG Street Fighter player that likes V better than IV. It's no secret V was simplified to give new players a chance, unfortunately this also created a game that feels less responsive and not as smart. Going from higher technicality to lower can be tough, for VI they should bring it back up again.
EMP Santhrax can see the Matrix in code form. I’m blown away by this info.
The people criticizing his stun bar comments arent thinking broadly. For 5+ minutes he rants about the inabilty to do anything but block, the lack of options/ response. Then you have a stun bar that tells you to be more aggressive...Dont say other games (with more options and better responses) have stun bar. Why is it in this game if not to simplify?
People saying "other games have stun bars" are missing the point. I think the fact that the game lacks in defensive options and getting stunned is the end of the world, having a giant stun bar telling your opponent you're one hit from stun makes his already fairly easy offense even easier. They know that's the last thing you want is to be stun so he can predict what you're going to do next pretty easily. It just makes the game too simple. That's kind of why you see back and forward one-sided rounds in high-level play.
Actually the 20 extra damage part was correct. the normal ex fireball did 100 and the v-trig ex one did 120.
I was saying for awhile now RYU is the WORST in the game
It's established early on that a standard EX fireball does 100. Burning V trigger is 120. So +20.
the Street Fighter 3 series has a stun bar. . .
curtly1991 3s stun is wayyyyyyy different than these games. There are specialty stun characters, stun is VERY rare outside of them
yep! Makoto's main job was to stun you to death.
LMAO@ Stun you to death True but funny...She was very powerful! I main Remy and trolled with 12 and it wasn't easy playing against Makoto.
Only main Street Fighter games that had stun bar was Alpha 3( which was based on too much blocking), Street fighter 3 and street fighter 5 stun bar was based on you getting too much damage. Difference is SF3 series you can hit people a little more before they land on the ground like you would do in a boxing match...SF3 was the closes thing to real fighting out of the whole SF series.
Kevin Mercurio at the end of the day it's still a stun bar stop trying to justify it, thank you.
man that was great content
I really appreciate this video. I have always viewed Sanford as being an honest guy who expresses an honest opinion no matter what goofy corny tryhard esports garbage other people come up with for supporting weak and boring games. If he is right and the input lag on SF5 has actually been added on purpose, wow. What a silly and desperate for approval decision to make.
As someone who was relatively new to the scene some years ago, I really believe that these dumb down tactics are not necessary to attract people. Learning how to play fighting games is actually fun. I have never been attracted to playing a game that promotes dumbing down and hand holding. I have actually enjoyed learning fighting games while playing SFIV and SFV and improving my fundamentals, but even I have felt like my development of fundamentals and fighting game understanding may have been limited or not fully realized because of the SFV lag.
I have heard that Capcom did not do this on purpose, but it sure would be a shame if they did this on purpose to appeal to a goofy esports marketing strategy.
If they didn't do this on purpose then what led them to go backwards from SF4?
They said that something is wrong with the PS4. Tekken people said that too. But I do recall Capcom at the beginning of SFV making some remark about adding lag to make game feel familiar to online players offline. Also, I think the PC version of SFV has less lag than PS4 but still more lag than SFIV. So I am confused.
The odd thing is, is that this game would be alright even with all the noob parameters they put in. But the Nerfs are killing so many people. I'll say it again, people can justify why Dragon punches needed to be vulnerable, but now you have a useless Ryu, my point has been proven on why it's stupid to do that.
As a Viper player in SFIV, not being allowed to put my reactions to use because the engine nullifies that ability, certainly does feel like I’m being punished for having a fundamental skill.
It’s this reason why I don’t mind AA jabs being so prevalent. Sure, I have the mechanical ability (execution) to DP your jump-in. But the built-in 6.5 frames of lag won’t let me. So yea- keep jumping at me, and I’mma keep jabbing.