a good journalist, imho, does not act like that one did.....regardless of your private opinions, you present a calm, objective energy towards your subject. That is how you interview.
"The photographers always understand me" is a really powerful statement. I think it speaks to the ability of a really good photographer to understand and read people. Not agree with them, but understand them.
The problem with Icke is that he single-handedly kept the most dangerous conspiracy theories alive. In the beginning, nobody believed him, but a new generation has grown up to embrace those really toxic ideas and they think of Icke as a prophet.
Well played. That journalist was disrespectful and unprofessional. Whatever you think of the deeply divisive Icke, he’d invited the guy into his home and kept his dignity for much longer than most would have done in front of someone behaving like that. I’d live to know more about what you talked about with Icke as clearly it’s left a positive impression!
Sorry ou are wrong. David Icke is an antisemite. He has pointed out people, George Soros for one, and labeled them as "The Jew....", as if it were illegal to be a Jew. He also claims that he understands what it really means to be a Jew, when in fact he saying Jews are all right, as long as they don't get on David Icke's nerves. He is the worst kind of bigoted hypocrite.
I wholeheartedly agree! By now it's been proven in court that Icke has never said or written anything "antisemitic". People should ask themselves why he needs to be slandered like that. The answer is becoming more obvious every day, as he gets proven right again and again
David Icke is a British conspiracy theorist and former sports broadcaster who has become one of the most prominent producers of conspiracy content since the 1990s. After a controversial appearance on BBC's Wogan show in 1991 where he claimed he was the "Son of God," Icke developed an elaborate supernatural conspiracy theory centered around the idea that humanity is secretly controlled by a race of shape-shifting reptilian aliens from the Draco constellation. According to Icke's "Reptilian Thesis," these aliens have infiltrated the world's elite families and institutions through genetic manipulation and interbreeding. He claims that prominent figures including the British Royal Family, various U.S. presidents, and the Jewish Rothschild family are actually reptilian beings who consume human blood and engage in ritual child abuse. This forms part of what scholars call a "super-conspiracy" - an overarching narrative that connects multiple conspiracy theories into one grand unified theory. While Icke often attempts to distance himself from accusations of antisemitism by using coded language like "Rothschild Zionism" or "Sabbatean Frankists," academic analyses have identified clear antisemitic themes throughout his work. His writings frequently promote debunked antisemitic propaganda like The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, and his descriptions of blood-drinking reptilian elites closely mirror medieval antisemitic blood libel accusations. Content analysis of his UA-cam videos and audience comments reveals a strong focus on Jewish-related targets of conspiracy accusations, with terms like "Zionist," "Rothschild," and "Jews" being dramatically overrepresented compared to general online discourse. Icke has built a significant following through skilled use of multiple media platforms, including books, international speaking tours, and social media. His conspiracy theories incorporate elements of New Age spirituality, pseudo-history, and political extremism into an ideological worldview that presents all major world events as orchestrated by a malevolent alien elite. While he frames his work as revealing hidden truths, careful analysis shows his theories perpetuate dangerous antisemitic myths under a veneer of supernatural and science-fictional elements. His UA-cam channel was eventually deleted in 2020 for promoting harmful disinformation, though his influence continues through other platforms. The overarching theme in Icke's work is the idea that human society and consciousness are being manipulated and suppressed by powerful hidden forces. However, his seemingly novel supernatural narrative often serves as a vehicle for promoting traditional conspiracy theories and prejudices, particularly antisemitism, while maintaining plausible deniability through elaborate metaphorical frameworks.
Icke is very careful who he talks to. Nearly all of his interviews are vehicles for his theories. He is though correct in asking people to read his books before challenging him but it’s a defence that has yet not come back to haunt him because he purposely navigates away from criticism. As a man on his own journey he actually comes across as a very likeable guy.
AHHH!!! I FIND THAT SO ANNOYING!!! He never said that he was the the son of God. Anyone, please show me a clip where he says this. While you're at it, show me any clip where he says anything anti-semetic... please... anyone....
Is it because Wogan framed it that way. Wogan said Icke was saying he was the son of god. So you are saying Icke didn’t say it. I’m intrigued I will have to look at it now to see.
The argument is more so that what Icke says about “lizards” fits the same historical tropes that existed against Jews. So if you’re being charitable you could say it’s something that’s in the culture that icke has grown up with, and he unconsciously brought all this stuff into his theories. & if you’re not being charitable you can just see it as a code word for Jews. I definitely recommend Jon Ronson’s book ‘them’ on this subject. There is a chapter where he is with David Icke
@@spoookytooth So it's better to just not know anything about what they've written even if you're about to do an interview solely about his work? Give over
@@spoookytooth He's not. On the other hand, you've made an ad hominem without going into any specifics. Very easy to just call something ridiculous instead of engaging with the material. Have you actually read any of his books?
@@BlueNorth313 if you mean that I wrote that Icke‘s books are ridiculous? I stand by that. I would argue that given their content that doesn‘t qualifiy as an ad hominem. What the other guy wrote is an obvious strawman, nothing you can do about that.
The lion painting is the cover art for one of his books. The writer and photographer treated Mr. Icke incredibly disrespectful in his own home, to which you were invited. Maybe one day you'll wake up and see reality. Meantime, I ask you this: Can you see electricity? How do you know it exists? Can you explain its origin? ......
I AGREE. Much of what Icke says makes sense to me but not all. However he should expect to be challenged over his ideas. Proof and evidence is needed. As in a court of law the jury or judge make a decision based on evidence. As for the camera man all he was interested in was his pictures and would use any means to obtain them.
@@borocavalier portrait photographers are looking for a reaction, it's totally fair to say or do almost anything to get it. For the sake of creating a moment.
The thrust of the problem is that Icke always says that he is reporting the information that he has gathered, and invites the reader to make the same connections. The reporter obviously has an angle, asking for "proof" and the like. Icke doesn't claim to have "proof" - he is only presenting his collected evidence. Of course he has his own beliefs and interpretations, and so do his readers.
Signs of immaturity: arguing with somebody like Icke in the way that guy was; blanking off photographer afterwards; and I have no proof, (but I mean come on look at the guy) staying up late and partying the night before a big interview... all the behavior of a slightly above-average intelligence man in his twenties. The arrogance, the self-important, righteous indignation... I remember it well.
Icke is an interesting fellow. I truly think he believes everything he says. I even think he is often correct, even if not in such a strictly literal sense as people like to interpret.
This is, without a doubt, the most interesting channel for me right now, as I've just started getting into photography. Each video leaves me excited for the next, always wanting more! Thank you Fred and Harry.
You're a fine anecdote teller, and in your position I would also have sided with Icke. That writer was just rudely-confrontational and didn't let David speak, with that infuriating repeating "just explain it to me then!"....well he would if you'd just shut up, mate! Whether we believe what David says or not, if one is interviewing him you let him speak. On your critical intro: it's a common misconception that Icke told Wogan he's the "literally the son of God." Watch it again. He's referring to the Godhead, of which we all belong (albeit unconsciously....i.e. Jung's Collective Unconscious), just that David claims he is fine-tuned to it. Wogan wanted to pigeonhole him into the 'son of god' label and it kinda fell that way for the lay listener. Regarding anti-semitic tropes in Icke's work, i guess that's a matter of debate. There are factual things there, but some listeners (perhaps David himself) may fall into the trap of thinking there's more to certain 'over-representation' than there really is.
Another brilliant story! Fascinating! I'd love to see the selection of images you provide to the people providing the commission. The volume, the variety etc. That'd be interesting to me.
Thanks Kenny. Maybe we could incorporate this into a video as well! I asked Harry, he said back when he was working on film he used to send at most only 5 hero images to the commisioner. But now, in the digital era, he would maybe send 20. The majority of the images on these videos have never been seen, he sends me 100s when I'm editing them so I'm not sure why he gives the commisioners such little choice!
In the end it is not about true or false what Icke says.. it’s about a free mind that is not a slave to thoughts in anyway but can choose what to accept or to deny. It’s about staying aware of what thoughts run through you and decide if you want them or not. Do you want the thought of “the world is at chaos”? Have it! Do you want the thought “life is divinely perfect in any way”? Have it!
Despite your playing a role to get your shots, the journalist was being incredibly selfish by needlessly creating an atmosphere that jeopardised your ability to do your job. You don't owe them any kind of apology.
-Mr X, or however youmight be. I am astonished by following your introduction, which put a portreait in words, which is not real, compared to Mr David ICKE. I think its the thing calles " purpose of art", or " l'art pour l'art". What is really no good, because D.ICKE ist still a living person. -I dont go deeper into your verbal rhetoric parts.I just want you to tell: you missed the picture behind the picture. And this is - too, for an artist - the biggest fail he/she/it could ever be able to do. Au revoir!!
Such a shame. I thoroughly enjoyed the way you told your story regarding Hilary, that’s how I found your Channel. But the way you slandered Icke (I’m not even an Icke fan) and added that clown music to their interaction was very low brow and cheap. It would have been a great opportunity to hear them discuss their differing views. If anything Icke actually came across quite measured - the interviewer on the other hand was clearly trying to be antagonistic. The collective consciousness is at a point now where we can clearly see the lies and bullshit, and people have had enough. Icke’s popularity is indicative of that. You did capture him beautifully I’ll give you that. But the fact you tried to weasel your way back in to the good graces of the interviewer afterwards and gleeful that you did it just to get the shot - clearly shows your lack of integrity and shamelessness. At least you were honest. What a time to be alive… where people are nonchalantly character assassinating those who speak against the manufactured narrative and the approved hegemonic discourse… Sad. Here’s hoping you find grace and wisdom in your later years. 🙏🏽
People are going to be looking at this guy in a few years and wishing they had maybe given him a little more credit. Careful about naming things conspiracy theories. Most of them are coming true.
It's a moral dilemma whether David should be sectioned under the mental health act because he is dangerous or that the state would be silencing alternative views
David Icke makes more and more sense as the years goes by
Is that because you’re getting smarter? Probably not?
@coprographia and you had your 5th booster?
a good journalist, imho, does not act like that one did.....regardless of your private opinions, you present a calm, objective energy towards your subject. That is how you interview.
Say what you want about icke this is daily life for him, ask yourself why would he bring this on himself
YES!! This man doesn't seem to have a good word to say about anyone! Maybe it is you mate!
That painting is by Neil Hague. Who is a very nice man. Poor David having to put up with that NPC writer.
"The photographers always understand me" is a really powerful statement. I think it speaks to the ability of a really good photographer to understand and read people. Not agree with them, but understand them.
this guy clearly doesn't really listen to his clients.
David should save his breath, its wasted on these folk.
clearly!!!
I owe Icke a debt of gratitude. His insane theories encouraged me to dig my way back out from the rabbit hole before it was too late.
The problem with Icke is that he single-handedly kept the most dangerous conspiracy theories alive. In the beginning, nobody believed him, but a new generation has grown up to embrace those really toxic ideas and they think of Icke as a prophet.
🤡
Icke is boldly eccentric, not obsessive. I think of his stories as colourful characterizations.
❤ DAVID ICKE he is a STAR 🌟
If by star you mean looney, I agree with you
Great shot and it seemed to me the writer was getting irate while Icke stayed quite calm.
Well played. That journalist was disrespectful and unprofessional. Whatever you think of the deeply divisive Icke, he’d invited the guy into his home and kept his dignity for much longer than most would have done in front of someone behaving like that. I’d live to know more about what you talked about with Icke as clearly it’s left a positive impression!
Based Icke casting out the MSM stooge
I just can't get over how good the Portrait holding the painting is! I've enjoyed every one of your videos
Thank you!! Plenty more on the way!
absolutely no reason to slander a man by implying he's an antisemite, even if done subtly. shame on you
Agreed.
Being antisemite isnt slander, its actually a compliment these days.
Sorry ou are wrong. David Icke is an antisemite. He has pointed out people, George Soros for one, and labeled them as "The Jew....", as if it were illegal to be a Jew. He also claims that he understands what it really means to be a Jew, when in fact he saying Jews are all right, as long as they don't get on David Icke's nerves. He is the worst kind of bigoted hypocrite.
even when it's true?
I wholeheartedly agree!
By now it's been proven in court that Icke has never said or written anything "antisemitic". People should ask themselves why he needs to be slandered like that. The answer is becoming more obvious every day, as he gets proven right again and again
Maybe you should read David's books before implying he is anti-semetic - shame on you.
David Icke is a British conspiracy theorist and former sports broadcaster who has become one of the most prominent producers of conspiracy content since the 1990s. After a controversial appearance on BBC's Wogan show in 1991 where he claimed he was the "Son of God," Icke developed an elaborate supernatural conspiracy theory centered around the idea that humanity is secretly controlled by a race of shape-shifting reptilian aliens from the Draco constellation.
According to Icke's "Reptilian Thesis," these aliens have infiltrated the world's elite families and institutions through genetic manipulation and interbreeding. He claims that prominent figures including the British Royal Family, various U.S. presidents, and the Jewish Rothschild family are actually reptilian beings who consume human blood and engage in ritual child abuse. This forms part of what scholars call a "super-conspiracy" - an overarching narrative that connects multiple conspiracy theories into one grand unified theory.
While Icke often attempts to distance himself from accusations of antisemitism by using coded language like "Rothschild Zionism" or "Sabbatean Frankists," academic analyses have identified clear antisemitic themes throughout his work. His writings frequently promote debunked antisemitic propaganda like The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, and his descriptions of blood-drinking reptilian elites closely mirror medieval antisemitic blood libel accusations. Content analysis of his UA-cam videos and audience comments reveals a strong focus on Jewish-related targets of conspiracy accusations, with terms like "Zionist," "Rothschild," and "Jews" being dramatically overrepresented compared to general online discourse.
Icke has built a significant following through skilled use of multiple media platforms, including books, international speaking tours, and social media. His conspiracy theories incorporate elements of New Age spirituality, pseudo-history, and political extremism into an ideological worldview that presents all major world events as orchestrated by a malevolent alien elite. While he frames his work as revealing hidden truths, careful analysis shows his theories perpetuate dangerous antisemitic myths under a veneer of supernatural and science-fictional elements. His UA-cam channel was eventually deleted in 2020 for promoting harmful disinformation, though his influence continues through other platforms.
The overarching theme in Icke's work is the idea that human society and consciousness are being manipulated and suppressed by powerful hidden forces. However, his seemingly novel supernatural narrative often serves as a vehicle for promoting traditional conspiracy theories and prejudices, particularly antisemitism, while maintaining plausible deniability through elaborate metaphorical frameworks.
Fascinating account of meeting and photographing David Icke. The photos you made of Icke are terrific!
Ike is no nutter.
He gives people what they want is the truth....
No, he's a nutter.
@@markdonaldson1450 Why.? What do you know?
@@raygrange7312 I just listen to him.
You don't have to be a rocket scientist to realise he's a fruitcake.
@@markdonaldson1450You know nothing about him?
Icke is very careful who he talks to. Nearly all of his interviews are vehicles for his theories. He is though correct in asking people to read his books before challenging him but it’s a defence that has yet not come back to haunt him because he purposely navigates away from criticism. As a man on his own journey he actually comes across as a very likeable guy.
AHHH!!! I FIND THAT SO ANNOYING!!! He never said that he was the the son of God. Anyone, please show me a clip where he says this. While you're at it, show me any clip where he says anything anti-semetic... please... anyone....
Same! He said we are all sons of God. People are just idiots.
Is it because Wogan framed it that way. Wogan said Icke was saying he was the son of god. So you are saying Icke didn’t say it. I’m intrigued I will have to look at it now to see.
facts.
@andyjwild5219 = Precisely. Very well put! 🙂
The argument is more so that what Icke says about “lizards” fits the same historical tropes that existed against Jews. So if you’re being charitable you could say it’s something that’s in the culture that icke has grown up with, and he unconsciously brought all this stuff into his theories. & if you’re not being charitable you can just see it as a code word for Jews.
I definitely recommend Jon Ronson’s book ‘them’ on this subject. There is a chapter where he is with David Icke
Wow. To be a photographer is not only about camera and exposure. Great experience.
Some people dare to make a interview without haven't read the book of the nterviewed
To the interviewer‘s credit: Icke‘s books are ridiculous
@@spoookytooth So it's better to just not know anything about what they've written even if you're about to do an interview solely about his work? Give over
@@robbiecale3327 you are making a straw-man argument.
@@spoookytooth He's not. On the other hand, you've made an ad hominem without going into any specifics. Very easy to just call something ridiculous instead of engaging with the material. Have you actually read any of his books?
@@BlueNorth313 if you mean that I wrote that Icke‘s books are ridiculous? I stand by that. I would argue that given their content that doesn‘t qualifiy as an ad hominem. What the other guy wrote is an obvious strawman, nothing you can do about that.
Wogan is the joke now
Actually the joke is on Icke, banned from every video sharing and social media platform, he’s even banned from travelling in Europe 😂
No he's not! David Icke is a false prophet!
Great stories, glad you recorded them
Thank you!
I wager that journalist knows nothing of axioms and postulates in science
I don't care what anyone says, David Icke makes a lot of sense to me.
Once you cut through the nonsense there's ideas on there that now don't seem that outlandish
This interview put me off Wogan forever! Nasty man.
The lion painting is the cover art for one of his books. The writer and photographer treated Mr. Icke incredibly disrespectful in his own home, to which you were invited. Maybe one day you'll wake up and see reality. Meantime, I ask you this: Can you see electricity? How do you know it exists? Can you explain its origin?
......
How can you see reality? How do you know it exists? Can you explain it's origin?
I AGREE. Much of what Icke says makes sense to me but not all. However he should expect to be challenged over his ideas. Proof and evidence is needed. As in a court of law the jury or judge make a decision based on evidence. As for the camera man all he was interested in was his pictures and would use any means to obtain them.
@@borocavalier portrait photographers are looking for a reaction, it's totally fair to say or do almost anything to get it. For the sake of creating a moment.
💙 David Icke
The thrust of the problem is that Icke always says that he is reporting the information that he has gathered, and invites the reader to make the same connections. The reporter obviously has an angle, asking for "proof" and the like. Icke doesn't claim to have "proof" - he is only presenting his collected evidence. Of course he has his own beliefs and interpretations, and so do his readers.
David Icke is a Star 🌟
That show changed my life...
Signs of immaturity: arguing with somebody like Icke in the way that guy was; blanking off photographer afterwards; and I have no proof, (but I mean come on look at the guy) staying up late and partying the night before a big interview... all the behavior of a slightly above-average intelligence man in his twenties. The arrogance, the self-important, righteous indignation... I remember it well.
The lion has a big meaning in our future .
Ike was right there!
Icke is an interesting fellow. I truly think he believes everything he says. I even think he is often correct, even if not in such a strictly literal sense as people like to interpret.
Even older codgers remember Icke as a run of the mill sports presenter.
...... & a professional goalkeeper!
@@stwads No one remembers that bit.
lol@@lorjon68
This is, without a doubt, the most interesting channel for me right now, as I've just started getting into photography. Each video leaves me excited for the next, always wanting more! Thank you Fred and Harry.
That is such a lovely comment, thank you! Plenty more on the way with some big names!
Another classic video...fascinating...thanks!
Jealousy will destroy you. 😎🇬🇧
What a prat of an interviewer unbelievable
Bloody hell, the tin foil hat brigade turned out in force for this one. Comments section scary.
haha, yep!
So scawwy :,(
@@fredandharryborden Bit unfair!
Calm down . ' Tin foil ' says more about you these days . If you think this is scary you need to get out more .
@@Miichael-b1j They're probably plugged to msm all day.
That journalist seems unusually dense.
It's almost impossible to find any David Icke videos on youtube anymore, seems like most of them have been scrubbed and the algorithms are fixed. 🤬
Correct. Since 2020 he dessapeared, and was not the only one.
I still have the original "America: Freedom or Fascism" lecture from Google Video from 2008
Great story and photos!
You're a fine anecdote teller, and in your position I would also have sided with Icke. That writer was just rudely-confrontational and didn't let David speak, with that infuriating repeating "just explain it to me then!"....well he would if you'd just shut up, mate! Whether we believe what David says or not, if one is interviewing him you let him speak.
On your critical intro: it's a common misconception that Icke told Wogan he's the "literally the son of God." Watch it again. He's referring to the Godhead, of which we all belong (albeit unconsciously....i.e. Jung's Collective Unconscious), just that David claims he is fine-tuned to it. Wogan wanted to pigeonhole him into the 'son of god' label and it kinda fell that way for the lay listener.
Regarding anti-semitic tropes in Icke's work, i guess that's a matter of debate. There are factual things there, but some listeners (perhaps David himself) may fall into the trap of thinking there's more to certain 'over-representation' than there really is.
Love it!!
Really interesting. Well done on getting the images👍
A broken clock is right twice a day. Saying that icke is quite likeable and your photos are great.
All a “ruse” eh, not very respectful at all. And the antisemitism bs is sooo boring.
Can you say when this happened?
I think it was 2013
Says it was 2024 on his profile where I seen the video on facebook
You can't expect icke to explain something when the photographer had done zero research. It's.like.teaching gr. 13 math to a grade 2.
Another brilliant story! Fascinating! I'd love to see the selection of images you provide to the people providing the commission. The volume, the variety etc. That'd be interesting to me.
Thanks Kenny. Maybe we could incorporate this into a video as well!
I asked Harry, he said back when he was working on film he used to send at most only 5 hero images to the commisioner. But now, in the digital era, he would maybe send 20.
The majority of the images on these videos have never been seen, he sends me 100s when I'm editing them so I'm not sure why he gives the commisioners such little choice!
Handbags 👜depends on your observations 😊
Google - Annunaki
Any idea who the interviewer with Icke was?
It doesn't matter who he was? He's rubbish clearly! No interviewing skills.
I believe that was Joe Dirt conducting the interview
@@platonkarataev550 it does to me
What's the difference between a conspiracy theory and the truth? About 6 months.
name one that's been proven. It'll take you a while...
great story - amazing photos
Thanks a lot! Glad you enjoyed!
In the end it is not about true or false what Icke says.. it’s about a free mind that is not a slave to thoughts in anyway but can choose what to accept or to deny.
It’s about staying aware of what thoughts run through you and decide if you want them or not.
Do you want the thought of “the world is at chaos”? Have it!
Do you want the thought “life is divinely perfect in any way”? Have it!
Despite your playing a role to get your shots, the journalist was being incredibly selfish by needlessly creating an atmosphere that jeopardised your ability to do your job. You don't owe them any kind of apology.
-Mr X, or however youmight be. I am astonished by following your introduction, which put a portreait in words, which is not real, compared to Mr David ICKE. I think its the thing calles " purpose of art", or " l'art pour l'art". What is really no good, because D.ICKE ist still a living person. -I dont go deeper into your verbal rhetoric parts.I just want you to tell: you missed the picture behind the picture. And this is - too, for an artist - the biggest fail he/she/it could ever be able to do. Au revoir!!
AI bot goes wild after ingesting virtual mushrooms.
Blimey, that "journalist"/"writer" chap seems a little bellend-esque.
An interesting video/story, again.
🙂
Such a shame. I thoroughly enjoyed the way you told your story regarding Hilary, that’s how I found your Channel.
But the way you slandered Icke (I’m not even an Icke fan) and added that clown music to their interaction was very low brow and cheap. It would have been a great opportunity to hear them discuss their differing views. If anything Icke actually came across quite measured - the interviewer on the other hand was clearly trying to be antagonistic.
The collective consciousness is at a point now where we can clearly see the lies and bullshit, and people have had enough. Icke’s popularity is indicative of that.
You did capture him beautifully I’ll give you that.
But the fact you tried to weasel your way back in to the good graces of the interviewer afterwards and gleeful that you did it just to get the shot - clearly shows your lack of integrity and shamelessness. At least you were honest.
What a time to be alive… where people are nonchalantly character assassinating those who speak against the manufactured narrative and the approved hegemonic discourse… Sad.
Here’s hoping you find grace and wisdom in your later years. 🙏🏽
ahh divorced. oh harry.
People are going to be looking at this guy in a few years and wishing they had maybe given him a little more credit.
Careful about naming things conspiracy theories. Most of them are coming true.
Jesus fuckin’ Christ…
@coprographia That one's real for sure but without the middle name you proposed.
It's a moral dilemma whether David should be sectioned under the mental health act because he is dangerous or that the state would be silencing alternative views
The story and the photos are good but the subject... nah, pass.
Thanks for the kind comments. But, yeah - I still found it interesting either way.
@@fredandharryborden The story is definitely worth telling. The professionalism is impressive.
I’m disappointed, I was hoping he’d be wearing his turquoise shell suit 🤭
Oh don’t act like a prat
@@monkeyseemonkeydo432 better to act like one than to actually be one 👌 😘
@@Noneofyourbusiness57817 🫵 🛎️🔚
Really interesting story of a meeting with a lunatic.
Thanks. Glad you enjoyed!
Watched the video all the way through at no point have I seen a meeting with a lunatic, putin, Hitler, polpot, not even a glimpse
I was feeling a bit low this morning but your comment has rather cheered me up!
don't agree with everything he says but if you occupy a reality where it is all Lunacy, I pity you
He's no lunatic.
Icke❤