Why Quebec Independence is Looking Slightly More Likely

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  • @scogginsscoggins
    @scogginsscoggins 18 годин тому +980

    Polls in Quebec today have 33%-35% support for independence, which is the same as 25 years ago.

    • @JollyOldCanuck
      @JollyOldCanuck 17 годин тому

      I doubt the PQ would have the courage to call an independence vote while Trump's threatening to snap up any loose bit of territory in the Americas, they would have to wait until Trump's out of office and the rally around the flag effect wears off before they try anything.

    • @liamcluett6203
      @liamcluett6203 17 годин тому +19

      @@scogginsscoggins Traitors breeding traitors, loyalists breeding loyalists

    • @vladquebec
      @vladquebec 16 годин тому +4

      Correct, but that may change

    • @canadasempror5521
      @canadasempror5521 16 годин тому +69

      @@liamcluett6203 traitors? who do you think we are

    • @jeangallade5788
      @jeangallade5788 16 годин тому +81

      @@liamcluett6203 English Canada betrayed Quebec when the constitution was repatriated in 1982. And it was not the first time...

  • @bradhogle
    @bradhogle 18 годин тому +597

    The assumption that a vote for the Bloc or PQ is a vote for separatism is wrong. Most people are not single issue voters.

    • @hahdgdgherfhx
      @hahdgdgherfhx 16 годин тому +2

      True

    • @kateb2643
      @kateb2643 16 годин тому +10

      Yeah, exactly. Good luck finding a Quebec party that isn't separatist. I'm a QS supporter for their socialist policies, but they're separatists too

    • @ryanbadene9890
      @ryanbadene9890 16 годин тому +22

      @@kateb2643the CAQ is not a Sovereignidy party, nor is the liberal party. Literally half of the major quebec parties arent sovereignist…

    • @themacintoshnerd
      @themacintoshnerd 15 годин тому +6

      People said the same thing about the SNP and now the desire for Scottish independence is more popular than the SNP

    • @jean-francoissoucy8340
      @jean-francoissoucy8340 14 годин тому +4

      The PQ is the left center party in Quebec so a lot of people vote for them for this reason, not the sovereignty project, which is sometimes the anchor that drags it down unfortunately.

  • @MrLuchenkov
    @MrLuchenkov 16 годин тому +204

    As a franco Quebecois, I have never met a single person in my entire life who would switch from voting Liberal to voting BQ because the Libs no longer has a Franco leader.
    The PLC is already considered a party from the rest of Canada, so to speak, and no Franco (much less independentists) would seriously switch their vote from the Libs to the BQ because they switched from "franco" Trudeau to "anglo" Carney. That's just asinine. That's basically pre-1980 stuff.
    What the rest of Canada doesn't get is that the Bloc serves as a harmless "counter-vote". Franco Quebecois do not, by and large, vote for the Liberal Party, mostly due to the many scandals, their handling of the 1995 referendum, etc. The provincial Libs do no favour to the federal Libs in that regard, having been the most corrupt political force in Quebec since the 1940s. As such, that leaves us with two options: Poilievre's Conservatives and Singh's NDP. We have voted en masse for the NDP under Layton - an election that almost killed the Bloc as a political party - but the ferociously secular franco Quebecois will not vote for someone who puts their religion front and center like Singh does. The fact that the NDP under Singh has basically become a franchise of the Libs does not help at all either.
    It leaves us with two choices: Conservatives or Bloc.
    For better or worse, in many aspects, Quebec is the most socially liberal society in Canada. Poilievre is *perceived* as ideologically close to Trump and the religious right and that brand of social conservatism does not resonate with the Franco electorate in Quebec. They may get a few seats around the more conservative Quebec City, though.
    It leaves us with the Bloc. It's the safe "counter-vote" option. That doesn't mean the Quebecois do not play ball at the federal level, it simply means they do not recognize themselves in the other parties. Note that this isn't necessarily my own opinion, just the reality on the ground.
    ---
    As for independence, we'll see. If Poilievre gets elected, independence support will likely go up in Quebec for the reasons highlighted above. Still, with independence support sitting in the low 30s, we're a far cry from a successful third referendum. PSPP isn't elected yet and the elections in Quebec won't happen until late 2026. Plenty can change.

    • @Exiled.New.Yorker
      @Exiled.New.Yorker 14 годин тому +2

      ERRR you may not want to use that shortening of francophone when so many FACISTS are running around loose.

    • @Miloradsfriend
      @Miloradsfriend 14 годин тому +14

      Socially liberal except when a candidate is an Indian Sikh.

    • @LouisRacicot
      @LouisRacicot 13 годин тому +5

      Allo!! J'ai déjà voté pour Trudeau (au début), mais c'est fini, et le bloc est probablement le prochain meilleur choix :D Cela dit, je ne suis pas séparatiste, mais j'aime les leaders progressistes. Bien qu'il soit pas parfait, Yves Francois Blanchet est bien articulé et c'est la meilleure option sur la table. Par-contre, tu as raison, c'est pas une question de la langue du leader pour moi. Par exemple, je n'écarte pas Jagmeet Singh de mes choix.

    • @MrLuchenkov
      @MrLuchenkov 13 годин тому +25

      @Miloradsfriend It's not the fact that he's an Indian Sikh.
      it's the fact that he puts religion forward in the public space. We're just as allergic to Catholic or Protestant leaders who do the same.
      Secularism *is* a socially liberal value, no matter what identity politics aficionados may say.
      Also, yes, Quebec has been the most socially liberal society in Canada at least since the 1970s. We were the first to have a free daycare program, the first to legalize marijuana use and gay marriage, at the forefront of assisted dying efforts for terminally ill patients, have the most expansive social policies and safety net, the list goes on.
      You can attack Quebec on many things, but to try and pin it as "haha, racist, won't vote for singh" is not it.

    • @Miloradsfriend
      @Miloradsfriend 13 годин тому +6

      @@MrLuchenkov you discriminate against him for being a Sikh. All he does is wear a turban, and suddenly he’s some radical religious figure despite him heading the socialist party. He’s part of the “vote ethnique” and so loses support in Quebec. It’s the same reason why the religious garb ban passed, it’s a way to discriminate against religious and ethnic minorities under the guise of freedom, it’s a modern day literally test.

  • @Namodeus
    @Namodeus 21 годину тому +846

    I don’t think any of the separatist movements that this channel reports will go independent

    • @Aceshigh451
      @Aceshigh451 21 годину тому +38

      I think Catalonia might be the only exception

    • @brianburgess3231
      @brianburgess3231 21 годину тому +24

      nahh .. this is simply a pot stirring group

    • @Amresh10
      @Amresh10 20 годин тому +67

      Maybe the only one is Somaliland if you count them as a separatist movement

    • @bababababababa6124
      @bababababababa6124 20 годин тому +96

      @@Aceshigh451Catalonia is literally one of the least likely ones, what are you talking about 😂Somaliland is far more likely than any other

    • @stuart4341
      @stuart4341 20 годин тому +26

      ​@@bababababababa6124Somaliland is already independent

  • @caseclosed9342
    @caseclosed9342 18 годин тому +198

    Fun fact: There are several French-speaking villages in the US on the Canadian border. When I was in the US Army I went to basic training with a guy from one of those villages in Maine and he used to write his letters home in French so no one else could read them.

    • @RoboticDragon
      @RoboticDragon 16 годин тому +21

      Fun Fact, they could still read them if they wanted to.

    • @gavinlanser9764
      @gavinlanser9764 16 годин тому +14

      There's a lot more of these communities throughout the U.S. especially if you include Creole and other parts of the Mississippi/Great Lakes

    • @psource2305
      @psource2305 16 годин тому +7

      Parts of northern New England and Louisiana are historically French-speaking.

    • @elfarlaur
      @elfarlaur 15 годин тому +5

      I'm from Quebec and my paternal grandmother's parents were born in Maine. There were a lot of Quebecers who came to the US in the late 1800s and early 1900s for work and established communities which continue to exist to this day

    • @stephenspackman5573
      @stephenspackman5573 14 годин тому +3

      There are also a lot of English speaking villages in Québec, though at some point the PQ took to renaming them so you can't spot them on maps.

  • @Gronmin
    @Gronmin 20 годин тому +336

    One of the things your missing is that the Bloc does it's best when it down plays it's goals for Quebec independence and focuses on everything else

    • @KingFisher_15
      @KingFisher_15 15 годин тому

      Quebec will be free one day, our motherland will be ours, you Anglo Saxons need to go out of our country, stay in Alberta, BC why u need our motherland Quebec also? I hope the French military will free us from the chains of coloniasts canada

    • @somebodykares1
      @somebodykares1 12 годин тому

      The Bloc Quebecious are not actually really focused on Quebec Independence they can not inforce Quebec becoming independent, they can only give Quebec more autonomy, because if a Bloc Quebecious got in power they would be in charge of Canada as a whole not just Quebec, so it be kinda silly to be elected a leader to free a province which you then can not lead for you are the leaders of the country in which they seperated from. The Bloc Quebecious is really just there for the options of more autonomy not to really seperate the country.

  • @canneberegerouge1
    @canneberegerouge1 18 годин тому +26

    Quebec and the rest of Canada are like an old toxic couple, that still live together despite being full of grudge and rensentment for years. No common culture, no common goal, no common project, no common understanding of national issues, hardly some common economic reason to stay united. The only thing we still share is a impotent, inefficient and almost useless federal level of government that try to impose itself upon provincial government juridiction against the will of every part of Canada. Quebec separatism dream will never die, it's just dormant because we live a pretty comfortable life but Canada is still only a few crisis away from breakup.

    • @michaelb4833
      @michaelb4833 17 годин тому +1

      that literally sounds like the Divided States of America.

  • @daves456
    @daves456 16 годин тому +90

    Quebecois here, it's wrong to think that support for Bloc Quebecois correlates with real support for indepence and nationalism. Its often the lack of choice in political parties that cause people to choose the Bloc.

    • @somebodykares1
      @somebodykares1 12 годин тому

      I respect the Bloc for I understand the cultural differences, but really the Bloc being in power can not really legally make Quebec an independent country because it be really screwing two countries, the reason why is because if a Bloc got Prime Minister status they would be the leader of Canada as a whole, if they gave Quebec independance they would no longer respersent Quebec for they are the leader of Canada, unless they resign from being Prime Minister which would then leave Canada with no leader. The Bloc's main focus is just autonomy to allow Quebec to have more say and more control over its own province, but to completely seperate from Canada would require allot of diplomacy for military, trade and travel for Quebec would be splitting the maritimes off from the rest of Canada.

    • @grandtheftavocado
      @grandtheftavocado 12 годин тому

      You guys are just giving away your country to India anyway

    • @bradybeijes3232
      @bradybeijes3232 9 годин тому

      ​@@somebodykares1that's basically impossible. They can only get votes in Quebec, even if they got every seat in Quebec that would only put them at 78 seats out of 338, it could potentially happen if other parties like PPC and Green gain steam elsewhere and split votes with Conservatives and Liberals and NDP, but it's very unlikely and would require the Bloc to win every single seat in Quebec.

    • @somebodykares1
      @somebodykares1 9 годин тому +2

      @@bradybeijes3232 Well yeah its never going to be realistically possible anyways, The Bloc's only really focus is gaining more ability for Quebec to do their own thing, pretty much like Greenland they just be an autonomous province thats still within Canada, full Independence is not likely even if it gets to that point, they always talk about referendums to leae but they will never really do it, its just a way to keep their voice in which they do deserve a voice.

    • @TK199999
      @TK199999 6 годин тому

      The US would never allowed a succession as the US Republican party does not want remaining Canadian provinces turning around and joining the US as states. As Quebec leaving would cause a domino effect ending Canadian state. Basically ending their electoral future for generations.

  • @TheApplecyder
    @TheApplecyder 19 годин тому +284

    Tell me you don't get Canada without telling me you don't get Canada.

    • @philippedrolet612
      @philippedrolet612 18 годин тому +42

      Vive le Quebec libre.

    • @_Ottho
      @_Ottho 17 годин тому +4

      You dont get Canada

    • @ThisApp
      @ThisApp 17 годин тому +14

      @@philippedrolet612vraiment? Le Quebec a besoin du Canada

    • @Zombie-lx3sh
      @Zombie-lx3sh 17 годин тому +10

      Vive le Canada fort.

    • @_Ottho
      @_Ottho 17 годин тому +12

      @@ThisApp Le Canada a au moins autant besoin du Québec, au moins. C'est juste un 51ème ou 52ème état américain sinon. Et d'ailleurs Québec peut garder le nom de Canada tant qu'à faire, comme c'est d'où il vient. Les anglo-canadiens peuvent s'appeler Minesota2 ou quoi

  • @TheTroyc1982
    @TheTroyc1982 20 годин тому +313

    Support for the Bloc or PQ is not the same as the desire for independence

    • @daudimasinde6280
      @daudimasinde6280 19 годин тому +31

      As a Canadian I’m not even going to watch this video. No one is seceding.

    • @dontfollowmyaccount
      @dontfollowmyaccount 18 годин тому

      Tell that to the financial market's

    • @wesleyy2502
      @wesleyy2502 18 годин тому +9

      Outside people blob them together cause they're on right of the political spectrum. They don't know that federal and provincial politics are quite different.

    • @zachweyrauch2988
      @zachweyrauch2988 18 годин тому +9

      Ya im finding it kinda strange that tldr didn't just reach out to a canadian.
      They're pretty big right now, and it would have saved them this embarrassment.

    • @wesleyy2502
      @wesleyy2502 18 годин тому +4

      @@zachweyrauch2988 probably a quebecer though. Ask a person from Alberta and they'll likely know Jack and shit.

  • @lloydtucker6805
    @lloydtucker6805 20 годин тому +158

    You keep ignoring the Maritime provinces. Canada was founded by Upper Canada, Lower Canada, Nova Scotia, and New Brunswick-not just Upper and Lower Canada. Additionally, you keep showing a single dividing line between Ontario and Quebec, but Quebec is surrounded by anglophone provinces. While I understand that Atlantic Canada is not as populous as Ontario, it’s frustrating as a Nova Scotian to see the division portrayed as solely between Ontario and Quebec.
    Lower Canada was predominantly French, but the leadership/managerial class were anglophone. That’s really the foundational frustration of separatist movement.

    • @Minenimationz
      @Minenimationz 17 годин тому +13

      In the vast scope of things your province barely matters. I’m sorry but it’s always down to the numbers. No one is going to name every single small province that is anglophone.

    • @bobzyurunkel
      @bobzyurunkel 16 годин тому +3

      Dude Nova Scotia is irrelevant. Stop whining.

    • @PaulJoanKieth
      @PaulJoanKieth 16 годин тому +12

      @@Minenimationz in the vast scope of things, you will die and be forgotten, the sun will burn out, entropy increases
      what's your point?
      just spreading a bit of hate?

    • @DoubleTrouble-li5wi
      @DoubleTrouble-li5wi 16 годин тому +8

      I hate to nitpick, but New Brunswick is a bilingual province, both French and English.

    • @petersilva037
      @petersilva037 16 годин тому +5

      I hear you... and raise another point... that managerial/oppressor class was kicked by the end of the 1970's... but a lot of French speakers still have this anglo-oppressor mentality, when it's been gone for 50 years, and they're so scarred they won't just take the win. They just keep taking it out on the anglos who stayed, who had nothing to do with it, and are more bilingual and paid less than their franco colleagues.
      Quebec is French, but it isn't ONLY French. Quebec is a bit more French than Canada is English. You know how he said 85% of Quebec is francophone? well what do you think the rest speak? The anglo population of Quebec is about the same as Nova Scotia as a whole. You want talk about being ignored...

  • @genralfang4309
    @genralfang4309 21 годину тому +184

    Even if the Bloq became opposition, it doesn’t mean that there would be a referendum. Also, most current polling doesn’t have that vote anywhere near enough support to actually succeed soooo….
    Good to see a Canada video as always. Hope to see more coverage of our upcoming elections!

    • @Habebandebardown
      @Habebandebardown 20 годин тому +1

      Time will tell ig

    • @corriemooney9812
      @corriemooney9812 20 годин тому +2

      The PQ is at 31% and is only in majority position because of a five way split in voting.

    • @diegoarmando5489
      @diegoarmando5489 19 годин тому

      ​​@@corriemooney9812 Yep. They'd have to at least implement proportional representation (which Québec can easily do without requiring independence) and end the minimum caucus size requirements for official party status so as to win the hearts of the Québec Solidaire voters that don't support independence, of the supporters of leftist groupuscules like the Green Party of Québec, and of the PCQ/"Droite Pirate" people that are screwed by FPTP.
      Another option would be to pass a law that's within Québec's constitutional scope that would be unacceptable to the federal government and daring the (presumably Poilievre) government to use the Reserve Clause to disallow the bill, thereby creating a constitutional crisis that could be used to drum up support for independence. If Mount Royal's Neal Oberman becomes the first Conservative MP in Montréal since 1988, one way to do this would be for a hypothetical PQ government to try amalagating the autonomous enclaves of Westmount, Mont-Royal, Montréal-Ouest, Côte-Saint-Luc, and Hampstead into the City of Montreal.
      Neal Oberman and his allies are very Zionist and very anti-amalgamation and would put immense pressure on Poilievre to use the Reserve Clause to disallow the bill. The political government's doing so would create a crisis that the PQ and (presumably) Québec Solidaire can use to drum up support for independence.

    • @wuhaninstituteofvirology
      @wuhaninstituteofvirology 19 годин тому +1

      they've been opposition before

    • @KingFisher_15
      @KingFisher_15 19 годин тому +4

      Motherland Quebec will free, not today, not tomorrow, but one day it will

  • @geordi-gabrielrenauddumoul449
    @geordi-gabrielrenauddumoul449 17 годин тому +13

    The reason why most of us are voting for the Bloc quebecois is because we are very much to the left, but we dont want the either the conservative or the liberals.

  • @iphonemtl
    @iphonemtl 9 годин тому +8

    The leader of the Parti Québécois Paul St-Pierre-Plamondon just reacted to your video January 26th 2025 on X and here’s his tweet:
    “Here is what is being said abroad about the return of Quebec independence: "Quebec independence is looking slightly more likely". A very fair analysis from this podcast by TLDR News, a news service in the United Kingdom.
    I would add, however, that two determining factors are missing from their analysis: the inevitable decline of French that is accelerated by the policies of the federal government and Quebec's inability to maintain services to the population due to the duplication of all programs by the federal government and the resulting waste. That's more than $82 billion that we can recover by cutting this government too many. These are structuring factors of the debate that in my opinion will have an influence on what happens next.”

    • @abrararifify
      @abrararifify Годину тому

      Ahhh yes, that 82 billion that you're referring to stems from that report the PQ made about the economic justification for separation right? The same report that erroneously omits expenses that an independent Quebec would otherwise incur from its separation including national defence, food and drug administration, the environment along with many other federal agencies that Quebec as a province currently benefits from, but will immediately lose access to once it seperates. Moreover, you're talking about the same report that severely underestimates the burden of federal debt that Quebec would incur vis a vis seperation. Also the same report that fails to mention the 60,000 federal public service workers that currently live in Quebec and pay Quebec income tax. Let's be serious here, that 82 billon figure is grossly exaggerated from a frankly unrigorous and purely politically motivated report

  • @Simonadas04
    @Simonadas04 20 годин тому +101

    nothing ever happens

  • @guy-0ffic1al
    @guy-0ffic1al 18 годин тому +38

    as a Quebecer wishing independance myself, No it won't

    • @therandomsheep
      @therandomsheep 15 годин тому +16

      My god t'est donc ben défaitiste, PSPP et le PQ sont inspirant, moi je crois qu'on vas gagner

    • @guy-0ffic1al
      @guy-0ffic1al 14 годин тому +3

      @@therandomsheep Crois ce que tu veut man. chpense pas que la population general voterais ca. en 90 peut etre, pis si le PQ ce ramasse pi arrete de ce backstab l'un l'entre eux, y a des chances. Mais tout suite, iiiishh

    • @pierre-alexandrecarignan1000
      @pierre-alexandrecarignan1000 14 годин тому +9

      Pas besoin de se monter les uns contre les autres. Ne perds pas espoir mon ami, comme ceux avant nous on va continuer le combat pour notre pays

    • @grandtheftavocado
      @grandtheftavocado 12 годин тому

      Not sure independence really matters if you guys are just going to import millions of foreigners anyway

    • @precariousworlds3029
      @precariousworlds3029 10 годин тому +1

      Can I ask why you want independence for Quebec? Genuinely interested in hearing this perspective.

  • @Huckleberry_Sid
    @Huckleberry_Sid 19 годин тому +91

    Really living up to the name "Too Long, Didn't Read" with this one.

  • @zintyderfel
    @zintyderfel 14 годин тому +9

    Quebecer here, happy to see a video about us. First, it’s a good video, there’s a few inaccuracies, to be expected, your sources are from the English speaking side, but overall, pretty good. 👍
    Secondly, about those inaccuracies, one of the reason why so many Quebecers were dissatisfied with Canada was that our political power and civil rights were (much less now, But still is) stifled artificially, because of racism and discrimination. It’s a big subject, but bacially we were seen as an inferior race by a lot of Canadians until the 70s, when we had the “tranquil revolution” and basically said enough is enough. There is still inequalities, but less, hence why less support for independence.
    If you ever want to talk more about it, from a French speaker Quebecer, I’d be happy to help. Especially to tell our side of the story and discuss about it. 🙂

    • @ericnolet3339
      @ericnolet3339 8 годин тому

      Yes you need to diversify your sources information. If they’re all anglo, then they’re only one-sided.

  • @estraume
    @estraume 20 годин тому +38

    Quebec leaving Canada and joining EU would have been a very interesting geopolitics development.

    • @alanrobertson9790
      @alanrobertson9790 19 годин тому +13

      Maybe Britain could join USA as a swap.

    • @Dorgpoop
      @Dorgpoop 16 годин тому +3

      They can't join the EU, one of the criteria for joining is that you're actually in geographical Europe, which was why Morocco's application was rejected. The only way I can think that Quebec could join would be by becoming a department of France, which I really doubt would ever happen.

    • @VinnieMF
      @VinnieMF 16 годин тому +2

      While you're at it, New England could leave and join the EU as well.

    • @2001MBKBooster
      @2001MBKBooster 12 годин тому +6

      Why do you think an "independent" Quebec would want to join the European Union? Quebec/Lower Canada has had nothing to do with France since 1759 or 266 years. Just because a majority of the population speak French as their mother tongue, it does not make them French or have an affinity towards Europe.
      It's akin to stating that Mexico, being a Spanish-speaking country, should join the EU because of Spain.

  • @damnwall
    @damnwall 21 годину тому +95

    Bring back the old intro. The new one is terrible not just by its design but it's also just broken.

    • @InternetetWanderer
      @InternetetWanderer 20 годин тому +17

      agreed this new intro needs more work, it looks botched somehow.

    • @yvtkm
      @yvtkm 20 годин тому +2

      I've hated the way that D looks especially with the weird jump. It looks really amateurish and unprofessional which is really out of place compared to everything else

    • @juxyper
      @juxyper 20 годин тому

      feels deliberate to me. you know, like those mobile game ads where they deliberately fail the playthrough so you get more engaged?

    • @someguy8454
      @someguy8454 18 годин тому

      ​@@juxyperit isnt good for repeat viewers though

    • @cooltwittertag
      @cooltwittertag 18 годин тому +2

      ​@@juxypermaybe instead of everything being a conspiracy to get you personally (because you are soooo important) engaged, maybe they just think it looks nice? I think it does.

  • @TheMasterTeddy
    @TheMasterTeddy 21 годину тому +158

    The separatists of the BQ are currently at 7% nationwide. If Canada were to change its majority vote system to a proportional representation system, they would not even come close to becoming the second strongest force.

    • @ricardoxavier827
      @ricardoxavier827 20 годин тому +26

      Well, divorce must be a right without the other side agreedment. Its that on individual level here, and should be as well on the collective level as well. Only who is from Quebec can have a say about their independence. Nationwide have no right to stop the divorce.
      Fortunaly i am glad to see a canadian wanting a proportional representation vote system, but about separatism you are on the wrong side.
      #FreeQuebec

    • @fullmetaltheorist
      @fullmetaltheorist 20 годин тому

      I've always thought Canada had proportional representation.

    • @shiki325
      @shiki325 20 годин тому +5

      First pass the post lol

    • @kristof6472
      @kristof6472 20 годин тому

      Who cares about nationwide? The destiny of Quebec belongs to Quebec and nobody else.

    • @themore-you-know
      @themore-you-know 19 годин тому +3

      Ooof, you have a strong opinion about a subject you know nothing of, heh?

  • @tcz7742
    @tcz7742 14 годин тому +11

    Alberta, independence is looking much more likely, and it will be based on sound economic decisions.

    • @AlekWheeler
      @AlekWheeler 13 годин тому +3

      That's a funny way to say, self serving and selfish. Hope it was worth your Alberta tax dollars for Smith to jet down to watch the inauguration...at the Canada embassy 😂

    • @yungbenzo5
      @yungbenzo5 11 годин тому +1

      @@AlekWheeler You mean actually negotiating and building a diplomatic relationship with unlike Ford who wants to use our natural resources as collateral but is totally fine taking Ontario's automotive industry off the table. Smith has only been getting more popular here, we lose 100s of billions of dollars every year to fund the socialist dumpster fire that is Quebec while getting our industry and pipelines shut down by the federal government. more people here identify with our province first than even Quebec, we have lost sympathy for the rest of Canada and the day Smith goes through with pulling out of the pension plan or health care system Quebec and the Maritimes would collapse into poverty

    • @Mr.Septon
      @Mr.Septon 10 годин тому +1

      I highly doubt Alberta is ever going independent. Its the sort of issue that usually becomes more popular in Alberta during periods of high oil prices but when global prices drop, Alberta tends to quiet down about it a lot. Unless its a matter of Albertans preferring to be American rather than their own independent country.
      I'm from Manitoba, so maybe I could be wrong, I just don't see the actual appetite for the effort of politics involved in separatism.

    • @yungbenzo5
      @yungbenzo5 10 годин тому +1

      @@Mr.Septon First of all no one in Alberta wants to join the US,
      Second western alienation has grown very consistently even when oil prices crash (for example 2020)
      Third Alberta separation is still in its infancy unlike Quebec, we do have separatist political parties like Wild Rose and Marverak for example but it's hard to take them seriously. but the fact Daniel Smith has been getting significantly more popular here for her Alberta first stance despite originally being very unpopular and almost losing the last election is saying something, the UCP has definitely been capitalizing on pro-Alberta sentiment.
      Also, we can very easily increase our profit margins with not just pipelines, but also being able to refine our oil at home with the government would let us, the "tar sand isn't a long-term viable economic strategy" argument only holds up because we sell our raw unrefined oil to the US at a huge discount and then they sell it back to us, if we refined our own tar and sold to Japan and Germany, for example, this would be more viable especially if we were to participate in OPEC

  • @hughjass1044
    @hughjass1044 20 годин тому +45

    As a Canadian, I'm not terribly worried, to be honest. The sovereignty talk ebbs and flows pretty regularly around here but it's not an issue very many people take too seriously. The nominally sovereigntist parties are indeed having a bit of a moment just now but that's got more to do with how badly those around them are doing than how well they're doing.
    Most of the time, the federal sovereigntist party will pick up somewhere around 30-35 seats, maybe a few more, maybe a few less, depending on the situation with the other parties. The fact that they could finish 2nd in the upcoming (?) federal election... not the first time, BTW,.... has more to do with how much of a dumpster fire the governing Liberal / NDP "coalition" has been and how disastrously badly each is likely to do. Some models have the Liberals as low as 4th and a showing this bad would push the Bloc into 2nd without any great increase in seats.
    Provincially, the governing CAQ; a sort of / sort of not sovereigntist / nationalist outfit with a bit of a rightward slant, has been around for quite a while now and as such, are starting to wear out their welcome as any party does after they've been in power for long enough. The fact that the sovereigntist PQ is poised to replace them has more to do with the fact that they are currently the only other party in the province with any degree of recognition and organization.
    The promising election results for both entities has naturally sparked lots of enthusiastic talk of independence because of course, being sovereigntist parties, they have to push that notion but support for independence in Quebec is not high at the moment and any referendum would almost certainly fail.
    Quebeckers however, do like to always be able to hold that dagger over the federal government's head and even when support for sovereignty is low, they find these parties useful to get more out of whichever party happens to form the federal government.

    • @subspace666
      @subspace666 17 годин тому +1

      Quebec would need to fix its economy first before any separation anyway , that would probably take a few decades. it could not handle losing those 10+ billions in equalization payments the way their economy is setup now. its citizen's would probably expect to keep o good chunk of the federal tax in their pockets so Quebec could not count on just pocketing this to make up for it.

    • @hughjass1044
      @hughjass1044 17 годин тому +1

      @@subspace666 That's always been the case but it's never stopped them from trying. Besides, independence has never been the goal as much as the extortion that the threat of independence has allowed.

    • @TheStephaneAdam
      @TheStephaneAdam 16 годин тому

      @@subspace666 Quebec is around 20% of Canada's GDP. That 10 billions comes from OUR taxes, we'd do juuuust fine.
      AND it would be better for the rest of Canada too. Big problem of the current Federal model is trying to juggle the interests of regions with completely different national interests.
      Besides, why do you want to keep Quebec anyway? You always hated our guts and wished we'd just disappear!

    • @jeangallade5788
      @jeangallade5788 16 годин тому +4

      @@subspace666 Proportionally for a long time now, the federal government is in debt more than the government of Quebec. On this point, Quebec would be better off to separate.

    • @subspace666
      @subspace666 13 годин тому +1

      @@jeangallade5788 assuming what you said is true , its not enough to replace the equalization payments. in quebec we need to stop being tree huggers so much.

  • @Hellfeu1
    @Hellfeu1 17 годин тому +13

    One thing not considered in this video is how the Canadian Federal government will respond to Trumps tarifs: if they make a deal which in any way disadvantages Quebec’s economy and trade with the us (namely hydroelectric energy, aerospace, and IT/software) and simultaneously preserves other provinces’s economies by maintaining trade in oil, gas, agriculture and cars, then separatism will be much more popular.

    • @eddydogleg
      @eddydogleg 13 годин тому +4

      Quebec has around 20% of Canada's recoverable natural gas. Why doesn't Quebec start drilling. Have only just manage to scrap by as a roughneck during the bad old days of the National Energy Program and looking at transfer payments sure doesn't seem like Quebec is a team player.

    • @saltymonke3682
      @saltymonke3682 12 годин тому +1

      The problem is, if Canada wants to diversify from Trump, Quebec has to open its reluctance to oil and gas pipelines from Alberta and Sask. So Halifax and Montreal can export petroleum products.

    • @Hellfeu1
      @Hellfeu1 12 годин тому +1

      @ I guess Canada can also always sell to Asia, and whilst I’m not undermining the economic importance of oil, one should question whether or not expanding oil infrastructure is the right (and sound) investment in this day and age

    • @saltymonke3682
      @saltymonke3682 11 годин тому

      @@Hellfeu1 the world won't stop consuming oil even in the next 200 years. And quebec can contribute nothing and will get the rental tax from the pipelines. How's that not profitable?

    • @saltymonke3682
      @saltymonke3682 11 годин тому +1

      @@Hellfeu1 asia will get the cheap Russian oil, India and Indonesia are already importing them. Whilst EU market is wide open.
      The world won't stop using oil for the next 200 years.

  • @treetop-m6c
    @treetop-m6c 16 годин тому +5

    Quebec and Alberta should separate from Canada for different reasons.

  • @gerogegerog5926
    @gerogegerog5926 18 годин тому +17

    The Bloq Quebecois isn’t really an independence party. It’s actually more of a party dedicated to simply protecting the culture and language of Quebec

    • @philippedrolet612
      @philippedrolet612 18 годин тому

      You are right on that … their main goal is independence but they are powerless. The parties Québecois can call referendum and make law if supported

    • @therandomsheep
      @therandomsheep 15 годин тому +3

      No it's openly sovereignist

    • @patatequiroule
      @patatequiroule 10 годин тому +1

      @@therandomsheep They technically are as a matter of representation, but they don't really "work" toward sovereignty. That's Québec's job.

  • @Cyrus992
    @Cyrus992 20 годин тому +18

    Just picked up a Quebec rider as a Las Vegas 🚕 driver

  • @bubbabear244
    @bubbabear244 15 годин тому +6

    Of course the site known as TLDR doesn't know S about F in regards to Canada, let alone Quebec.

    • @patatequiroule
      @patatequiroule 11 годин тому +1

      They get it wrong, but then, so does the rest of Canada generally speaking so... eh.

  • @Farhanfair
    @Farhanfair 20 годин тому +15

    Nothing ever happens

  • @NBeaver-bx4yl
    @NBeaver-bx4yl 11 годин тому +2

    Québec does not vote for these parties for their separatist views, they are actually just sick of the current parties. While the parties are popular, separation is not popular in itself

  • @StephaneRussell
    @StephaneRussell 19 годин тому +57

    From Quebec here, actually, independence is not at all in conversations here. The odds for independance would be more present in Alberta presently.

    • @Josh-oj9mm
      @Josh-oj9mm 19 годин тому +9

      Albertan independence is literally just about oil, even though that oil is expensive and inefficient to extract. There's no proper cultural movement, or even close to 50% support for it like there is in Quebec. Very unlikely.

    • @alhollywood6486
      @alhollywood6486 18 годин тому +6

      The rest of Canada should make Quebec either follow the same rules all other provinces follow, or "encourage" the Quebecoise to go their own way.

    • @orestpochodaj5926
      @orestpochodaj5926 18 годин тому +3

      Ontario guy here, Alberta/Quebec seperation has become a hot topic now that Canada is so weak and destabilized, thanks Trudeau!
      The US has the same separation issue with Texas, Oregon & Illinois.

    • @doigt6590
      @doigt6590 18 годин тому +9

      From Quebec as well, I had a vastly different experience talking to colleagues and people on the street on my way to work. It seems more people are interested in separation now as an exit strategy to get out of a dying Canada.

    • @StephaneRussell
      @StephaneRussell 18 годин тому +2

      @@alhollywood6486 I'm not sure of what you mean by "follow the same rules".

  • @chikFromMTL
    @chikFromMTL 14 годин тому +2

    As a Canadian who grew up and still lives in Quebec , this is an excellent exposé 👍🏾 And thank you for pronouncing the French names correctly

  • @drewc981
    @drewc981 15 годин тому +10

    It's alright that you outline the history of Quebec separatism but you know you're wrong when a majority of Canadians in the comments including Quebecers tell you so.

    • @ericnolet3339
      @ericnolet3339 8 годин тому +1

      The majority of them are all anglos so the fact that they downplay the chance of Québec sovereignity doesnt mesn anything.

    • @drewc981
      @drewc981 7 годин тому

      @@ericnolet3339 It's also not currently being discussed in Canadian media so such speculations from this channel are bullshit anyway

  • @andymcrory5353
    @andymcrory5353 10 годин тому +1

    I'm impressed by how accurate your information is about Quebec and Canada and by how well you pronounce the French names.

  • @MiguelMC-Yt
    @MiguelMC-Yt 15 годин тому +3

    How to say that nothing is gonna change for 9:07 tutorial

    • @barrosluco7417
      @barrosluco7417 8 годин тому

      Yeah TLDR is getting worse and worse. Half the videos are just clickbait at this point. The reality is that the Quebecois still support staying with Canada by a large margin and this hasn't changed in years.

  • @ProudTurkroach
    @ProudTurkroach 29 хвилин тому +1

    Quebec should become independent

  • @Himbeaw
    @Himbeaw 20 годин тому +9

    I think it really does depend, because of the rise of Trump, I think Quebec independence votes will rise, the only outcome I see with them getting majority bloc votes is if Canada was truly trumpian, which is unlikely.

    • @PatG-xd8qn
      @PatG-xd8qn 16 годин тому

      It's actually the contrary. Trump's threats to make Canada a 51st state without considering that Canada is made of different provinces makes people realize how insignificant Québec is in the eyes of larger countries.
      Americans don't even know that there are french speakers in Canada. Most Americans I know barely know anything about Canada actually.

    • @AgentMoler
      @AgentMoler 11 годин тому +1

      I think OP is correct thematically, the agenda of liberty is rising globally and people are now seeking more liberty from their governments, that could be the catalyst for renewed separation talks.

  • @jaytaylor629
    @jaytaylor629 11 годин тому +2

    Alberta will leave Canada before Quebec will.

  • @Ari_G73
    @Ari_G73 15 годин тому +9

    Sorry. Ive never downvoted a video from you folks and i am now. The situation today is radically different and the separation of powers between provinces and the feds is materially different.
    This is just wrong. Also. A vote for PQ is not necessarily a vote for separation.

    • @Pomegrante-b1m
      @Pomegrante-b1m 14 годин тому

      Idk I see a lot of people saying this, I think they showed there is some movement towards sepratism but the majority of Quebecois don't wish to succeed. I think that is a fair analysis imo.

  • @TK199999
    @TK199999 6 годин тому +1

    Back during the last referendum Alberta threatened Ottawa (Canadian capitol) aka Canadian federal government. That if Quebec left, then it didn't see a future for Canada as an independent nation and would ratify the US Constitution and join the United States. Odds are then the US Senate would only accept Alberta and most likely the remaining Canadian provinces, as it was seen once Alberta left it would a domino effect, if Ottawa allowed the succession. Republican Bush I was fearful of a crisis of a Canadian civil war and didn't want liberal Canada joining the US upsetting GOP power base. Which is why Bush I threatened separatists in Quebec to blockade the province to force it return to Canada. This threaten cased separatists leaders to withdraw support and many believe that act meant session was ended even if the referendum passed.
    If this happened today, I doubt the US Republican party would allow any Canadian provinces from joining the US. As they would get US Senate seats and electoral votes (for US Presidental election) that would lean left aka Democrat. Which would be seen by the US GOP as threat to their power. But it only requires the passing of a law to admit a new state to the Union, so Democratic White House, House and Senate could do it with a simple majority (though in the US Senate reconciliation would probably have to be used if 60 vote rule remained).

  • @ryanjacob8786
    @ryanjacob8786 15 годин тому +8

    As an Albertan, this is good news. Will even help campaign for their independence.

    • @michaelrheaume688
      @michaelrheaume688 14 годин тому +2

      Love you man… merci pour ton support ✌️

  • @josephfox9221
    @josephfox9221 9 годин тому +1

    Ill say this. if Quebec goes Canada goes.

    • @pedritopedrito_
      @pedritopedrito_ 8 годин тому +1

      Quebec es independiente, todo mi total apoyo a Quebec 🇪🇸🤝🏻🇲🇶

    • @PatrioteQuebecois
      @PatrioteQuebecois Годину тому

      @@pedritopedrito_ graciés amic! Visca Catalunya lliure també!

  • @ladouceur.gabriel
    @ladouceur.gabriel 17 годин тому +18

    As a Quebecker, i would say you’re missing one thing. The subject is back in discussions because we really hate conservative-extremist Poilièvre, which wants to replace Trudeau.

    • @alquinn8576
      @alquinn8576 16 годин тому +2

      in what way is he an "extremist"?

    • @antony5502
      @antony5502 16 годин тому +3

      Je suis d’accord avec le sentiment mais quand tu parle d’extrémiste à côté de trump tu passe à côté de la plaque

    • @CaptainPizza18
      @CaptainPizza18 16 годин тому +6

      Imagine thinking Polievre is an extremists...

    • @krystophemorel302
      @krystophemorel302 16 годин тому +4

      No. Sorry but no. Im from Quebec too, and most people dislike Trudeau right now. In fact in general, Trudeau is wither loved by people who are out of university (woke) and boomer. All the other really hate him

    • @potatopotato8360
      @potatopotato8360 16 годин тому

      Poilievre is a leftist.

  • @yungbenzo5
    @yungbenzo5 11 годин тому +2

    I'd love a video on western aleination, especially since more people in Alberta identify with their province first and country second than even Quebec

  • @YehBikGyiGormint
    @YehBikGyiGormint 20 годин тому +24

    Québec can easily survive as an independent country if they make good deals with France and the EU

    • @ThatGuy-bz2in
      @ThatGuy-bz2in 18 годин тому +1

      depends on what they separate with. Separating isn't legal. There is no mechanism to do this. So canada could easily just say "ok you can separate, but only the specific municipalities that voted for it can leave." Then you get an independent quebec city and the rest of the province stays. Pretty hard for them to survive then.

    • @philippedrolet612
      @philippedrolet612 18 годин тому +7

      @@ThatGuy-bz2inseparatism is never legal… it was illegal for the American and Mexican to become independent. Words on paper noting more.

    • @casperghst42
      @casperghst42 18 годин тому

      A deal with France would be expensive, and EU would probably say Canada and not Canada and Quebec. But I've said for years that we should have Canada in the EU either via a deal like the one the EU have with Norway or as a full member.

    • @ThatGuy-bz2in
      @ThatGuy-bz2in 18 годин тому +1

      @@philippedrolet612 you're making my point for me. Separatists assume that if they vote to separate, all of quebec will separate. But if Canada is divisible, Quebec is divisible. Separatism has never been popular in all of quebec. It's popularity is much higher in cities, much lower everywhere else. So if it ever passes, the independent nation would just be quebec city, maybe montreal.

    • @YehBikGyiGormint
      @YehBikGyiGormint 17 годин тому

      @ canada in the EU would’ve been a great idea.

  • @naejin
    @naejin 15 годин тому +1

    I've noticed a few TLDR videos have redundant content and repeat themselves. Is this intended or poor editing?

  • @estp23010
    @estp23010 21 годину тому +22

    I’m from Quebec, that is a good overview. I don’t see ane possible separation unless the federal takes a big « trumpian » turn.

    • @michaelb4833
      @michaelb4833 17 годин тому

      we should thank orange man. His rhetoric toward our nation will unintentionally make us stronger and more united than ever before

    • @michaelrheaume688
      @michaelrheaume688 14 годин тому

      And Pierre is tacking us there… I hope he succeeds… Vote bloc! Vive le Québec libre ✌️..

  • @beobachter1712
    @beobachter1712 13 годин тому

    “A Spectre Is Haunting Germany”
    What a head line lol

  • @oscarvelis2712
    @oscarvelis2712 12 годин тому +4

    I sincerely hope they opt to leave Canada. That would be a blessing for the rest of us. Imagine stopping the flow of mediocre French politicians that rule our country. On top of that, to subsidize their weak economy.

    • @patatequiroule
      @patatequiroule 10 годин тому +2

      Yup, you could focus entirely on subsidizing oil at a deficit like you always dreamed of.

    • @PatrioteQuebecois
      @PatrioteQuebecois 7 годин тому

      The problem is that the federal government confiscate the money from workers of Alberta to corrupt the leaders of Quebec and put them into submission.
      Keep your money, we don't want it. I want leaders who speak my language and has the same culture as me.
      When will Canada cease to act like a douchebag towards Quebec?

  • @rbh9216
    @rbh9216 5 годин тому +1

    VIVE LE QUÉBEC LIBRE 💙⚜️

  • @Modestasgailius
    @Modestasgailius 17 годин тому +2

    When Quebec starts to talk about independence again it just usually always means they want more autonomy in something, the same goes for Alberta but to completely secede is never popular enough

  • @jimmeade2976
    @jimmeade2976 13 годин тому +1

    An independent Quebec would cause major problems for Newfoundland, New Brunswick and Prince Edward Island, which would be physically separated from the rest of Canada.
    I know several people who live in Montreal, who tell me that Quebec wants to keep its unique identity as a French-speaking province, but has little desire for independence, which would bring its own problems.

    • @elmonator5187
      @elmonator5187 9 годин тому

      Alaska is cut by canada but is doing fine in dont see it being a problem for the maritimes

    • @PatrioteQuebecois
      @PatrioteQuebecois 7 годин тому

      Has Alaska a major problem not being connected to the contiguous states? Should BC join the USA to accommodate Alaska?
      There will not even be customs at the borders between Québec and Canada. What are you talking about?

    • @PatrioteQuebecois
      @PatrioteQuebecois 59 хвилин тому

      @@jimmeade2976 also every Quebecker knows that it is not possible to have both. Either we become independent or we lose French as a common language. It is not possible to have both and that is precisely why we want to leave.

  • @jean-sebastienarteau7142
    @jean-sebastienarteau7142 15 годин тому +6

    The thing is that the provinces of quebec never sign the constitution we technically do not have to follow it.

    • @mjaber995
      @mjaber995 13 годин тому +2

      Not true, you absolutely follow it, which is why the Quebec legislature consistently uses the nonwithstanding clause to pass legislation incompatible with constitution. The reality is no province is beholden to the constitution of Canada due to the existence of the nonwithstanding clause in the constitution

  • @MikeJones-vb1me
    @MikeJones-vb1me 15 годин тому +2

    So Alberta can keep their 13.6B equalization payment?

  • @TheApplecyder
    @TheApplecyder 19 годин тому +12

    This feels like clickbait

  • @Towalak
    @Towalak 12 годин тому

    I wanna add that while Quebecers are dissatisfied with the Trudeau government, they are also deeply skeptical of the conservatives, and Poilièvre in particular.

  • @minaromania
    @minaromania 21 годину тому +15

    My question is, what would Trump's opinion be on Quebec? Would he support Quebec's independence to secure Canada, or would he favor granting it greater autonomy?

    • @Habebandebardown
      @Habebandebardown 20 годин тому +7

      Thats a very good question nobody knows

    • @ricardoxavier827
      @ricardoxavier827 20 годин тому

      Trumps want all Canada, except Quebec, because of legal troubles with USA constitution about ofitial language.
      I dont see USA constitution to allow a state to have a diferent language...

    • @itchyscientist0576
      @itchyscientist0576 20 годин тому +7

      Québec leaving could be a wedge to see other provinces leave, and maybe join the USA
      If he sees opportunity he will seize it. Try anyway

    • @vinny9868
      @vinny9868 19 годин тому

      I believe he'll support it just to make Canada weaker in order to try to leverage power over both of them.

    • @marshallmykietyshyn4973
      @marshallmykietyshyn4973 19 годин тому

      @@itchyscientist0576No it’s definite not. Are you American? I’d be shocked if anyone other than an American could say this with a straight face.

  • @pokergeniusordonkey6517
    @pokergeniusordonkey6517 18 годин тому +1

    The Conservative Government and Western Energy Corporations might make Quebec an offer they cant refuse.
    Quebec / Canada relations might improve.

  • @realchrislozinski
    @realchrislozinski 13 годин тому +3

    I’m sorry I love your videos guys but this is just culturally ignorant. As a Canadian, the Bloc is a nationalist party, not just a separatist party. Separatism has not become more popular, nationalism however has. Those two are related but one does not mean the other. I know many Separatists and the genuine only reality I see it ever becoming a thing would be if Pierre, if he wins PM, for some reason screws Quebec over, which, looking at his track record, is not going to happen. In all of his policies, he makes exceptions for Quebec and allows them many extra freedoms and services, the same as most other PMs. With Trump on the horizon, I severely doubt that any independence movement gaining genuine traction again. Yves has said he runs to represent Quebecs interest in Parliament, that’s what he’s always said. So I would say instead of just reading Wiki pages and polls I suggest talking to some Canadians first? 🤷‍♂️

    • @elmonator5187
      @elmonator5187 9 годин тому

      At the last bloc rally they voted to put sovereignty back at the forefront it was like you said for like 20 years but not anymore

    • @PatrioteQuebecois
      @PatrioteQuebecois 7 годин тому

      Grâce à votre méconnaissance du Québec, nous avons une longueur d'avance!

  • @leoolkhovikov9783
    @leoolkhovikov9783 12 годин тому

    This topic is barely even discussed in Canadian media right now.

  • @Shantosh9550
    @Shantosh9550 21 годину тому +15

    If it happens, we'll have a new Latin American country up north!

    • @bielhelp
      @bielhelp 20 годин тому +2

      Good Ending: North America became Latin America

    • @Maxშემიწყალე
      @Maxშემიწყალე 18 годин тому +3

      Yes, right next to a new Hindu country to its West.

    • @berjoxhn5142
      @berjoxhn5142 17 годин тому

      @@Maxშემიწყალე i heard the pa((j))eets are also flooding georgia nowadays

  • @kenruble5292
    @kenruble5292 13 годин тому

    Perhaps Trudeau was worried about separatism when he treated the truckers so draconianly.

  • @frisco21
    @frisco21 19 годин тому +18

    If Quebec gains independence, Canada is finished. The next to go will be Alberta, which will seek statehood in the USA, followed by the other western provinces.

    • @TimRivette
      @TimRivette 19 годин тому +3

      Alberta has wanted to join the U.S for quite awhile now.

    • @ThatGuy-bz2in
      @ThatGuy-bz2in 18 годин тому +2

      this some weird alternate history nonsense. None of that is going to happen.

    • @lennywatchesstuff
      @lennywatchesstuff 18 годин тому +1

      truth is the albertan conservative is much different from us conservatives. even more left than the democrats. alberta has grips with equalization payment and oil money but no way it wants to join the us.

    • @ThisApp
      @ThisApp 17 годин тому

      @@TimRivetteAlberta is such an interesting province because it thinks it owns its natural resources. We should honestly make it a territory

    • @user-sh3cf7kd6e
      @user-sh3cf7kd6e 16 годин тому

      Lolll. If Quebec gains independence, Canda will only earn from it. It only costs money for Canada, and it would unite the Canadians because the status of the French in Canada is one of the most contested topics between the Liberals and conservatives.

  • @TheRexb1
    @TheRexb1 10 годин тому +2

    Can Quebec even afford to separate? Most equalization payments goes to the province to help them with their expenditures.

    • @petersilva037
      @petersilva037 9 годин тому

      The standard of living would just drop, or the deficit would go up. Eventually the books would need to be balanced. Some quebecers would think that is worth it.

    • @ericnolet3339
      @ericnolet3339 8 годин тому +1

      That is myth that anglo federalists like to try to keep alive. Even Québec federalist government said that Québec has everything to be financialy healthy after independence is declared.

    • @TheRexb1
      @TheRexb1 7 годин тому

      The province is the top recipient of equalization payment, a drop in the standard of living will be very costly for every Quebecers. Also think about the business that would leave the province due to the instability. I don't think that the province will be better off by being a sovereign country.

    • @petersilva037
      @petersilva037 7 годин тому

      @ericnolet3339 I never said Quebec would not be financially healthy after separation. I said the standard of living would have to be lower for the books to balance. Quebec will be totally financially sound. Some social programs will need to be reduced/cut or taxes will need to be raised. That´s not scare moongering, it´s math.

  • @scubardiveshop1389
    @scubardiveshop1389 20 годин тому +21

    As a Canadian, I hope we get more unified over these challenges and we fix our problems together.
    Quebec is an important part of Canada and when Trump says Canada should join as a 51st state, his comment greatly disrespects our Quebec brothers.

    • @patriotenfield3276
      @patriotenfield3276 20 годин тому

      Quebecois are already pissed at why are they even a part of Canada despite benefitting on everything from Canada . Trump doing the 51st state part & seeing the effects of century old Anglicization of Louisiana territories ( especially Louisiana & Illinois ) has made the Quebecois far more pissed than before

    • @noseboop4354
      @noseboop4354 19 годин тому +3

      Alberta premier seems pretty eager to join Trump.

    • @GandalftheGreen420
      @GandalftheGreen420 19 годин тому

      @@scubardiveshop1389 I hope so too, as our country wasn't always like this (yes I am Canadian). Sure there were divisions between the English Canadians and French Canadians, but both saw eye to eye due to fear of American influence.
      Quebec always had its own identity, and now the thought of our very existence being erased means that Canadians need to stand up and protect what is ours. I wish for the world to remember that we aren't just Americans like how Belarusians or Ukrainians don't wish to lose their identity to Russians.
      We need to remember who we are, and why we formed as a country, and take a stand to protect ourselves and our land like our forefathers did.

    • @NoCluYT
      @NoCluYT 19 годин тому

      @@noseboop4354she's a clown. It's weird that even a loud minority of Canadians back her. She's the biggest snake in Canadian politics. Worse than Trudeau.

    • @user-sh3cf7kd6e
      @user-sh3cf7kd6e 18 годин тому

      Yeah? Do you want nationalists conservatives to Frenchificize the multicultural society of Canada?

  • @going_downtown
    @going_downtown 13 годин тому

    Bloc voters are not voting to leave. they’re voting to put quebec interests first. and canada would never allow quebec to leave

  • @oddlyoaktree
    @oddlyoaktree 15 годин тому +7

    I usually like your videos, but... This one is seriously out of touch. I know you guys are from the UK, but who ever is advising you all about Canada has no idea what they're talking about. There are just so many errors in this video. It's not news, it's speculative fiction. Big miss buddy!

    • @elmonator5187
      @elmonator5187 9 годин тому

      Its pretty accurate the research is good

  • @SneakySteevy
    @SneakySteevy 10 годин тому

    I live in Quebec and I am ashamed of that Province. Nothing happen here.

  • @sunking5892
    @sunking5892 12 годин тому +4

    I think there's a better chance that Alberta separates from Canada, thus stops sending 13 Billion dollars to Quebec in transfer payments (poor province) and joins the USA.

  • @MirorR3fl3ction
    @MirorR3fl3ction 9 годин тому

    Its important to note any time the idea of Quebec independance comes up that while there are around 8 million native french speakers in Quebec and only around 1 million native french speakers in the rest of Canada (according to the 2016 census), those other French speaking populations make up significant regional populations in the other provinces.
    Over 30% of the population of New Brunswick are native French speakers due to the Acadian influence in the region, and yet Northern Ontario has twice the number of native French speakers compared to New Brunswick while only being around 4.5% of Ontario's total population.
    The praire provinces of Manitoba, Saskatchewan, and Alberta also have significant regional french speaking population from the Metis ethnic group, which are ethnically a mix of French settler and various Indigenous peoples from the region. Manitoba was founded by a Metis leader name Louis Riel who led two resistences against Canada in the first few years after Confederation in 1869-1870.
    The point is, while Quebec is the most populous and was the original french settlement in Canada, they are hardly the only place in Canada where the French language and culture are significant, and this partly why French became a official national language and all federal officials are expected to be bilingual.

  • @Joe8172yeaaaa
    @Joe8172yeaaaa 14 годин тому +1

    Anglo Canadian here. I fully support Quebec independence. That take 32 billion dollars per year from the anglo provinces. When they leave, good riddance

  • @peaches8829
    @peaches8829 15 годин тому +3

    As an English Canadian living in Quebec the possibility of separation from Canada is ZERO. Why, money !! Quebec is like a beautiful high maintenance girlfriend, she will love you as long as you provide her $$.
    Canada is built on three pillars, keep the Indians down, French in and Americans out. Canada supports Quebec financially. The separatists parties are designed to use the threat of separation in order to extort money out of the rest of Canada. As long as that’s the case Quebec will not leave.
    Simply put, Canada is nothing more then a life support system for Quebec

  • @borlach321
    @borlach321 7 годин тому

    I lived in Quebec for 5 years. The term referendum has been morphed into "Neverendumb". Its become a bit of a joke.

  • @Spencer-x6f
    @Spencer-x6f 15 годин тому +6

    I haven’t met a single person in Western Canada that has anything positive to say about Quebec.

    • @ColStuart
      @ColStuart 15 годин тому +1

      I haven't met a single person from Canada whose opinion of the matter matters.

    • @Spencer-x6f
      @Spencer-x6f 15 годин тому

      @ Unfortunately I think your comment is accurate.

    • @chicagomike
      @chicagomike 15 годин тому

      The French are awful. Go away

  • @joshandallo2170
    @joshandallo2170 14 годин тому +1

    Quebecers are much too worried about *points everywhere* this than the idea of Quebec being an independent nation. If the PQ works on bettering its healthcare, the infrastructure (particularly in Montreal), and making learning French easier for newcomers and less on Quebec's sovereignty, they'll have a long mandate to govern. Otherwise, they might find this newfound popularity a mere flash in the pan.

  • @olafsigursons
    @olafsigursons 20 годин тому +15

    There is zero chance Quebec get its independence anytime soon. And I am independentist. We vote for the Bloc as a reaction to the Reform Party. Same for the PQ. It's more self-defense than a desire for independence.

    • @stankythecat6735
      @stankythecat6735 19 годин тому

      The problem is Quebec would have to shoulder something like 10% of the national debt , also there is no evidence any of the Indian lands would follow with Quebec. This could reduce Quebec to its original shape , a step of land between Montreal and ville de Quebec

    • @user-sh3cf7kd6e
      @user-sh3cf7kd6e 19 годин тому +4

      Either get independence or stop demanding Francization of the multicultural rest of Canada. You can't have it both ways. I don't know why the Canadian government wants to keep Quebec so much. It only costs Canada money. (Maybe because of the Maple...)
      "Self defense" is if you are threatened by cultural persecution. (Like France does to its minorities). And you were obviously not. Even if the populist reform would've won.

    • @sebd9690
      @sebd9690 19 годин тому

      Yeah, no idea what the RoC (Rest of Canada) see in Polievre. A politician for life who first steps in politics was to create his own lobbying group to influence his peers for other rich fks

    • @xavierfaucher7099
      @xavierfaucher7099 17 годин тому +3

      @@user-sh3cf7kd6e You realize Canada is being multiculturalized instead of being Franchized right? Canada was an English, French and indigenous country first so your own demand is either hypocritical or lacking historical context. It seems your animosity toward Quebec for whatever reason is clouding your judgement

    • @user-sh3cf7kd6e
      @user-sh3cf7kd6e 16 годин тому

      You realize that the CAQ wants more French cultural influence in Canada, while the rest of Canadians prefer more diversity, right?
      "HISTORICAL"?! Canada still is a colonizing country. The LEAST they can do is to make it equal without any dominant ethnic cultures.
      No, it's my animosity towards reactionaries and nationalists, the most radical and numerous of whom are an integral part of Quebec.
      You are the only hypocrite here.

  • @cwnicholson4439
    @cwnicholson4439 13 годин тому

    4 paths (with the notion a divided house cannot stand):
    a.) Quebec Independence
    b.) Quebec joins France
    c.) Quebec joins the United States Of America - The Kevin O'Leary Scenario
    d.) Quebec helps renew Canadian Nationalism
    * Understanding Borders, Language, and Culture is key to choosing your future success or demise *

    • @acharlieb
      @acharlieb 11 годин тому

      We Americans don’t want Canada, least of all Quebec.

    • @Sunny-tb7je
      @Sunny-tb7je 9 годин тому

      @@acharlieb We Quebecers, we don't chubby ahh American

    • @PatrioteQuebecois
      @PatrioteQuebecois 52 хвилини тому

      @@cwnicholson4439 d is fantasy since there is no such thing as Canadian nationalism.

  • @samcs1453
    @samcs1453 14 годин тому +8

    I'm Canadian, this title is just fishing for views.

    • @bradybeijes3232
      @bradybeijes3232 9 годин тому

      Because it says it's "slightly more likely"?

  • @freddytang2128
    @freddytang2128 14 годин тому

    As a Canadian, yes separatism is always possible. But I don’t think most people telling pollsters they support separatism, have thought through the logistics. It’s just like how brexit supporters thought brexit would be so smooth and painless. Separating from a country is even more complicated

  • @bigbootros4362
    @bigbootros4362 14 годин тому +1

    Absolutely stupid idea. We need to stay united and strong. Not divided and weaker.

  • @benyseus6325
    @benyseus6325 15 годин тому +2

    Now I know for sure this channel is pure sensationalist click bait

  • @Hyýtrftdrrui
    @Hyýtrftdrrui 19 годин тому +7

    Justice for quebec

  • @Adam_Himself
    @Adam_Himself 13 годин тому

    Every time TLDR talk about my country I really begin to worry that they're wrong about everything else they talk about, too

  • @maxipadthai
    @maxipadthai 20 годин тому +4

    The "money and ethnic votes" remark sealed the fate of separatist movement for decades.

    • @philippedrolet612
      @philippedrolet612 18 годин тому +2

      And decades have passed.

    • @michaelrheaume688
      @michaelrheaume688 14 годин тому

      And Parizeau spoke the truth, never offended me none… Vive le Québec libre…

    • @maxipadthai
      @maxipadthai 9 годин тому

      @@michaelrheaume688 Don't get me wrong, I want those free loaders to leave, so we can remove French as one of the official languages.

  • @hoodiewaffles
    @hoodiewaffles 10 годин тому +1

    If Quebec ever gains independence, Canada would be more inclined to give either Quebec some of their eastern provinces or sell them to the US or both. I can genuinely see Canada sell/trade New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, PEI, and Newfoundland to the US since it would be harder for Canada to maintain those provinces being split by Quebec. As for Labrador, since it borders Quebec and is sparsly populated, it would be given to the new independent country.

  • @BeaverOwl
    @BeaverOwl 19 годин тому +5

    Lived in Quebec all my life. People here are far more concerned with the cost of living, housing crisis, and looming US tariffs. No one here is seriously talking about this.

  • @nelsoncarvalho6338
    @nelsoncarvalho6338 16 годин тому

    They won’t leave. They needs us more than we need them.

  • @VikashSingh
    @VikashSingh 19 годин тому +5

    The world has learnt nothing from Brexit.

    • @ThatGuy-bz2in
      @ThatGuy-bz2in 18 годин тому

      this video is entirely wrong. The bloc party is a separatist party, but they have lots of support from non-separatists. The bloc is not pushing for a referendum any time soon and if they did, they would lose. This video does not understand the party they are talking about.

  • @PvtMilhouse
    @PvtMilhouse 14 годин тому

    Love the concept of doing news without reading or being informed.

  • @janissaryone1906
    @janissaryone1906 16 годин тому +8

    As a Canadian, I hope Quebec don't leave Canada but if they do, they must must take their portion of their debt with them! It seems to me Quebec is consistently taking advantage of Canada's goodwill and is unappreciative of the efforts the rest of the country have provided to them. Just like a pampered child that wants to move out of the house to have their freedom until reality hits them that it's hard to live outside.

    • @user-sh3cf7kd6e
      @user-sh3cf7kd6e 16 годин тому

      It's even OK for Canada to keep their debt. As long as Quebec isn't taking Canada's money anymore.
      Seriously, why do you want conservatives-nationalists who try to do Frechification to your multicultural society? Is that only because of their Maple?

    • @strawvillecabin7211
      @strawvillecabin7211 16 годин тому

      We agree 100%.

    • @strawvillecabin7211
      @strawvillecabin7211 15 годин тому

      We agree 100%

    • @anonimity5548
      @anonimity5548 14 годин тому

      Like in 1995 when federal tax dollars from quebecers where used to buy plane and train tickets for anglophone canadians to come to Montréal and try to influence the result of a referendum against election financing laws? Debts like when the federal government (the same federal government that never lent a cent to Hydro-Québec) financed electric project in Newfound-Land to go around Québec? Debt like when the federal government borrowed money it didn't have to start a dental plan when the constitution (that Québec never signed) states that healthcare is an exclusively provincial responsibility?

  • @slendii366
    @slendii366 14 годин тому

    As a Canadian I can assure you this will not happen.

  • @premprasun1516
    @premprasun1516 18 годин тому +25

    Quebec should be independent.

    • @michaelb4833
      @michaelb4833 17 годин тому

      based on? I'd love to hear the opinion of someone who doesn't even live on the same continent Quebec is part of. Curious

    • @user-sh3cf7kd6e
      @user-sh3cf7kd6e 16 годин тому

      *Canada should be independent from Quebec.

    • @HT-xt4cn
      @HT-xt4cn 16 годин тому +1

      @@michaelb4833 Based on the will to not see the French language die out or become relegated only to the far out areas.

    • @PatG-xd8qn
      @PatG-xd8qn 16 годин тому +1

      ​@@HT-xt4cn The french language won't disappear in Québec because of the law 101. All children of immigrants must go to french school, so the total number of native french speakers is constantly increasing. I myself was born in Moldova, but after growing up in Québec I can tell that my native language is french, not romanian

    • @petersilva037
      @petersilva037 16 годин тому

      That would be a dumb move. The only thing to gain is a blue flag at the olympics in exchange for a huge pile of disadvantages...

  • @AnilWang-fs4nj
    @AnilWang-fs4nj 9 годин тому

    As an English Canadian, I'd say Quebecers don't really want independence. They just want more provincial power to preserve their culture and way of life. Given that the Conservatives are based in the west which has a similar beef with Ottawa, it makes sense that Quebecers see this as an opportunity for Ottawa to devolve power to the provinces, making Canada less centralized and more of a United Provinces. With the liberals and NDP so tarnished, this is a lot more likely than any other time in my life.

  • @MrFostiano
    @MrFostiano 16 годин тому +8

    My friend had a tattoo of Canada on his buttocks. Every time he tooted, Quebec separated.....

  • @SomeNerdOutThere
    @SomeNerdOutThere 12 годин тому

    One would think that seeing what Brexit has done to the British economy, Quebec residents would be a bit more hesitant.

  • @lockhart1895
    @lockhart1895 20 годин тому +24

    me in Quebec watching this even Tho i know it's not happening hahaha

    • @ColStuart
      @ColStuart 15 годин тому +3

      Pas avec cette attitude, c'est certain.

    • @KingFisher_15
      @KingFisher_15 15 годин тому +2

      Motherland Quebec will be free from colonial canada

  • @PageTheRageTV
    @PageTheRageTV 2 години тому

    As a Quebecois, I can confirm that there's no serious talk of independence from the people since 1995. It's not even a serious topic for an election campain; it's always the single question killing the Parti Quebecois 🤣🤣🤣

  • @maximbrais5532
    @maximbrais5532 18 годин тому +4

    Nous l'aurons notre état français

  • @matthewmcclary7855
    @matthewmcclary7855 2 години тому

    I'm from the US and am confused. I thought Pierre Poilievre was the one in the best place to win. What am i missing, respectfully?

  • @user-sh3cf7kd6e
    @user-sh3cf7kd6e 19 годин тому +6

    FREE CANADA FROM QUEBEC, VOTE OUI!

    • @michaelrheaume688
      @michaelrheaume688 14 годин тому

      I support that, how I do wish more people from the ROC would see things like you…please do promote that, it will help our cause… Vive le Québec libre!✌️