Graph By Google, LOL, go check the traffic on the main non Russian torrent site, then go check traffic on Russian and Chinese t. sites where Google has no way of getting data... and the as usual erase my comments.
@@LogicallyAnswered Conflating a decline in Google search for 'torrents' with a decline in torrent activity is ridiculous 🤣🤣🤣 This is just a lame attempt to hold your position after the backlash in the comments. Not logical
yep i still to this day torrent everything I watch or play. even paying for netlix and disney+ I still torrent the shows and movie in there because their bitrate is horrible compared to the bluray version. only buy indie games. and donate 15 USD between a couple pirate sites.
I mean the biggest barrier people face to doing it now is finding safe places to get them from. I don't see how convincing folk it's over is going to help that. And if fewer people do it, there's less seeders and so it's worse for those still doing it.
That’s insane the audio and video quality of torrents is massively better. I have gigabit internet but torrents still have much higher quality. That along with offline viewing (mkv/mp4) are two of the largest reasons why I like torrents.
A/V quality better huh? Netflix: arbitrary 1080p max on any device except for their proprietary app on a proprietary TV that collects your data by default, or a specific browser extension to make it 4K, and a constant internet connection. On top of a paid subscription. Torrenting and downloading: guaranteed 4K, no internet needed, view on any device.
The loss of revenue figure was totally bogus because it assumed every copy was a lost sale. Before torrenting many people borrowed each other’s albums and manually copied them.
Not to mention that even if you didn't buy it. If you told someone that you liked said product, they may have bought it. Therefore it cost these companies nothing to get a sale that came because of you.
I agree. Many who pirate simply can not afford to buy. In many cases, those who can't afford, get together, pool the funds, buy o ne copy and copy it through the group. 7 lost sales? No! One sale that would otherwise never have happened.
it's quite the easy narrative to push to uncaring/unknowing masses. It would be interesting seeing the ACTUAL data of how many people pirate a piece of media, to then later acquire it; those that do not; and those who simply pirate to find other means to access media they already pay for.
YES and we paid royalties on tape media and later HDDs and still they kept suing ppl The pure greed of the corporates drove BT and will soon lead to the fall of streaming - ppl will realize that paying 2 or 3 services without owning anything just isn't to...
@@rapmastac1362 I remember that commercial. My DVD copy of Alien vs Predator started with it. And I'm now thinking ''WHAT? If I could download a car, I would definitely do it!"
Even 'lifetime' is a fleecing of consumers. If you buy something, you should own it. And it becomes part of your estate. After you die, your property becomes something you give to those you've named. See Bruce Willis. An extremely wealthy owner of digital content who fought as a matter of principle.
East European here, torrenting is going strong for movies, tv series and all cracked games including Space Marines 2. That game was on torrent site since early access. I played that game pirated first even though I pre-purchased that game.
@@CGoody564 I can agree, on both. About the clickbaty stuff; what if pirates simply avoid google to find “treasures under the sea”? That maybe the reason why google searches to find such treasure is declining. Because google teamed up with “police boats” and war vessels, they would take down “sea maps” directing to those “treasures”.
When Netflix showed up then people found it easier to just pay a bit and have a huge library of content. Now we have a bunch of streaming services and they keep getting more expansive. So the cost of streaming has gone up significantly. Also the quality of movies and TV shows has dropped, which makes it even less likely that someone is willing to pay for it. For these reasons i think that torreting is going up again.
@@sergiovr3 Executives of Streaming Services. I'm even sure the production side of these companies legitimately want to put out something people would watch. But they're not the ones giving people the green light. That comes from up on high. At the start up on high didn't care, so they just green lit anything. "Content is content".
Yep, personally was happy to stop torrenting when streaming first came out. Then they enshitified it and now I'm back sailing again because it's simply easier, faster, more reliable, cheaper and I get a much better library.
Torrenting is gone only in western countries that care about copyright law and sue people who violate it It’s very much alive in Eastern Europe and other developing countries that have bigger problems than copyright laws
But it's not gone at all in western countries, it's going stronger than ever if anything. Reality is just that there's cheap and easy methods to hide yourself online now so a lot of reporting companies have trouble ascertaining how many people are actually torrenting.
@jellyface401 Come on now. Of course it's not in its prime, but the title says how 'How torrenting lost 98% of its users'... Seriously, does that sound 'logical' to you?
As Gabe Newell said before; "Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem. If a pirate offers a product anywhere in the world, 24 x 7, purchasable from the convenience of your personal computer, and the legal provider says the product is region-locked, will come to your country 3 months after the US release, and can only be purchased at a brick and mortar store, then the pirate's service is more valuable.". People spend thousands on PCs, hundreds on storage, yet they choose to torrent the game or a movie and watch in on Plex or Jellyfin. They clearly have the money to spend, but why would they? Why would I want a shittier product (slower because of DRM, eligible for removing because of weird copyright bullshit) when I can have it better with a few simple clicks? Fuck big companies, viva la piracy.
For me it’s a pricing problem. The minimum wage in my country if $450. If you have a $600 salary, you are well paid. Do you think we could afford a $60-$100 game? 0_o
@@LogicallyAnswered people usually don't use google to torrent since most of the sites are blocked or don't index properly. Yandex search is a more popular choice. I heard that from a friend, I would never torrent myself and I never lie.
Torrenting is very much still alive the world over, and I think it's making a comeback in the West as well. Streaming services have increased in number, and unless subscribers are prepared to pay a premium, they get ads forced on them too. Torrenting is making a comeback if anything.
@@cr4yv3n mate this is a very easy to look up. spotify / youtube has every song you could ever want, googling "watch X movie free online" for 15 mins will pop up a browser for any movie streaming service you could ever want. The pirate bay even has Space Marine 2 which just came out and if you read the comments and look up how many seeders they are you'll find the game that actually works
So does Eastern Europe and the Balkan. Here in the Balkan a lot of people pirate stuff to this day, because most services are either still either unavailable due to "region locking" or have limited selections due to again "region locking", so piracy makes sense. Plus we aren't persecuted for piracy, only companies are. I have pirated for a long time, and haven't got in trouble for it.
@@LogicallyAnswered it never went out just moved away from the front page of the internet. reddit piracy site has 700k users and there is many many more popular sites and forums for it.
@@xr.spedtech Linux users are legends. I wanted to use Linux. But I can play genshin impact on Linux. If it was possible I would be using Linux right now.
There is no decline. Torrenting is actually getting bigger and faster. In fact you have websites advocating Torrenting. And if Google really wanted to they would've put a block on all aspects of Torrenting. I still torrent and so must you, it's pretty much second nature at this point. Cheers 🍻
Living in a 3rd world country, in this current economy and era where almost everything requires internet and subscription, I'll teach my kids how to save money using torrent...
I live in one of the ritchest countries in Europe and still can't afford to pay for that stuff. Although being 40yo I'm not a target for new music films or games so there is only 3-4 things a year I really want to download.
We on the internet (the one of that era) have come to call it "Copyright Math". And it got really funny when the industries started stealing from smaller artists and creators, and things like sales data (which these firms and businesses would have) can provide verifiable proof of "lost sales". So of course they weaseled they're out of it. Some of the best ones were the lawyers (which now basically just act on their own at this point), were threatening lawsuits against artists for music their clients had essentially sampled/influenced, or just outright stolen from; and using things like UA-cam Content ID to find victims.
@@freelancerthe2561 I have never heard of the term "Copyright Math" and I'm almost 40. :P Anyway, I find it extremely disingenuous to say you COULD have made X amount of money off people who clearly didn't think the amount you were charging was acceptable for the product. They literally argued that every download was a lost sale. In my eyes their lost "potential revenue" was exactly zero seeing as people who wanted the CDs would go out and buy them. RAA are the ones stealing from artists in the first damned place.
and more free for people to express themselves, so many good comedy videos been on youtube in 2008-2012 time which are now not possible due to much regulated BS...
@LogicallyAnswered its the reason wi dows is practically free now. Companies pay for it, and half the people working there only know it because it comes bundled with most laptops.
I don't think Microsoft really cares if you pirate Windows. Of course they would never admit that on record. They care way more about your personal data that they mine than they do about you pirating Windows. IF you decide to pay, that's just a bonus to them.
The rise of streaming services probably vastly increased internet traffic as a whole, thus the same amount of torrenting that went on before the streaming explosion would be a much smaller percentage of the whole. From where I sit torrenting is still quite popular! But let's pretend that you are correct and it's dead, we don't need the attention of the RIAA and MPAA. Direct download of pirated content is a thing too, and various un-official movie and TV show streaming sites, and newsgroups. You only covered torrenting, just one of several ways to pirate. It's true that the glory days of Napster are over but torrents are still very much alive and well. I suspect some of us built our music and movie collection up to near max and now just top it off occasionally.
What bugs me is it is hard to actually BUY albums from artists now. Like ya know, to support them. With early iTunes and Google Play you could, but now artists rarely even put out digital albums. And you simply cannot find a way to buy/own it via something like Google Music. It's super annoying. I am certain the artists make damn near nothing from streaming services.
*Me watching this video *Checking my 10 torrent downloads on my 2nd screen, each has hundreds of seeder. *Me smiling bashfully while closing this video tab.
What organizations don't understand is that pirates are NOT going to buy your product, and that's why they pirate it. If you can create a business model where people can test the demo version and afford to buy the product much cheaper by purchasing in installments, this would solve a lot of the problem and PLUS it would enable companies to charge more.
Like Gabe Newel from Valve has said: “The easiest way to stop piracy is not by putting antipiracy technology to work. It’s by giving those people a service that’s better than what they’re receiving from the pirates.”
One phrase I've heard before that I very much believe in is think of pirates like your competitors. They're already offering the product for free which is a pretty strong draw. You have to offer something that competes with that which pretty much amounts to convenience and/or service while maintaining reasonable pricing. Sadly streaming services are forgetting these items and it's causing a resurgence in piracy.
L take. People have been saying this since 2014 (at least that's when i'm aware). Truth is, backing up image files of a server and buying tons of domain is still cheap expenses compared to the ads revenue they generated.
Torrenting is dead?! But there is no legal way to download and own most media in high quality to compete with it. Why would I pay money for an inferior product that I can't own instead of sticking with free high quality products that I can own? I have never used Netflix or similar streaming services in my life.
I to this day don't have a netflix, amazon, disney or spotify account. And guess what I'm up to date on all the movies, shows and music I want. Any guess how? While I don't think this video is wrong, I believe it is relevant to those in North America and Western Europe. The rest of the billions of people who don't live there still very readily use torrents to access entertainment.
Back in the day people moving to Germany got a rude shock when they got letters demanding a payment of a 1000€ - legal firms (both demanding payment and defending users) made a killing g.
"Legal method is easier and reasonably priced." This logic no longer holds any validity. There are several streaming platforms. Hence content is spread out thinly. The prices too are no longer "reasonable". If you account for the number of subscriptions, it becomes prohibitively expensive. Third, Consumers NO LONGER Own the Content. They are allowed access to the content as long as they are paying the monthly subscription. And even then, companies might restrict access. Fourth, there's no "Offline" database of Content, even if you have legally purchased it. Hence, no internet means no content. Simply put, these companies are essentially compelling torrents to return, if they have truly lost users.
Lol wtf are you saying torrenting is dead? It actually grew tenfolds. Just visit any torrent site and the average seeders are in the 2000's. You would be lucky to get 100 seeders way back in the 2000's, 😂
Torrents thrive as never before, with the legal platforms shattering their content more and more, torrenting is still relevant and the only safe and quality way to get to movies and series. We never stopped.
very wrong. maybe in US it's declining, but in asia it's going very strong. it's so prevalent even my professor in top 5 university in my country suggested the class to go to lib*** or tpb or zlib to get textbooks.
@@redbuIIracing33 it really heavily depends on the server and the load. Most of the time, whether I am torrenting or downloading directly, I am limited by my own internet connection
I wouldn't say it's thriving in all of asia, I haven't met a single person who knows what a torrent is in korea. I can definitely find korean torrents but most are quite old or zero seeders always. If the economy is ok and there are plenty of convenient alternatives most piracy will decline. Meanwhile I never see textbooks on torrent sites, but they are found on other sites. Yandex is very useful for searching for those sites sometimes- because google is junk.
Torrenting has gone underground. It's still better than streaming. Getting every streaming service is too expensive. And now that you don't own what you buy, pirate life for me
I don't watch normie stuff that's on Netflix. The rare shows I watch are out of print or not available on streaming platforms. Torrents it is to this day. And it's still going strong.
The word decline is misleading. If it still has the same amount of users 20 years later, but the internet is much larger today then it was in 2004, is it really a decline?
I was a stay at Home mom with no money in my IRA or any savings of my own, which was scary at 53 years of age. Three years ago I got a part time job and save everything I make. After 3 years, I am 56 yo and have put $9,000 in an IRA and $40,000 in my portfolio with CFA, Stephanie Janis Stiefel. Since the goal of getting a job was to invest for retirement and NOT up my lifestyle, I was able to scale this quickly to $150,000. If I can do this in a year, anyone can.
I know this lady you just mentioned. Stephanie Janis Stiefel is a portfolio manager and investment advisor. She gained recognition as a former employee at Goldman Sachs; a renowned investor she is. Stephanie Janis Stiefel has demonstrated expertise in investment strategies and has been involved in managing portfolios and providing guidance to clients.
Well her name is 'STEPHANIE JANIS STIEFEL'. Just research the name. You'd find necessary details to work with a correspondence to set up an appointment.
The thing is people often doubt the prospects of financial advisors like Stephanie Janis Stiefel in business/markets today. Well it gives me more time to get ahead while they stew in their own pity and doubts as they childishly complain about those spreading the word
@@Madness1337 Because in China, very few of us use torrents for many reason: 1, we have our own social media environment and media content for everything we need, so 90% of our society don't even feel the need to use VPN to access foreign media. 2. For those who do access foreign media, we don't access it all the time. Most of us still spend vast majority of our time consuming our own media content, even if we are capable of using the VPN to access foreign media. 3. For those who do use VPN, and do regularly access foreign media, most are accessing the legal parts of foreign media (UA-cam, Twitter, Facebook, Google, Wikipedia, etc) 4. For those who do use VPN, and do regularly access foreign media, and do access illegitimate parts of foreign media like torrent, they ran into the same problem that people outside of China run into (see list of problems in this video). So no, tormenting is not "absolutely necessarily in High censorship environment like China", because the cost benefit ratio is so terrible that it's really not worth it. We don't need foreign media content nearly as much as foreigners think we do, lol
I live in Baltics and torrenting is not dead. Every friend uses it. Why pay for multiple crap streaming service when you can just download every movie/series/games/software? Nobody cares about downloading music.
Way to make a video full of lies. Torrenting is more alive than ever. You can literally download any movie, album, game, book from hundreds of sites in seconds with tons of active seeds 24/7. You better delete this video because this is a serious hit to your credibility.
I'll never stop torrenting not only because it's free but because streaming services can randomly decide to remove content for no reason (it's happened for me with Spotify) so I'd rather have a local copy of my music and movies in a hard drive which nobody will delete.
I've been pirating since I was old enough to use a computer. t's mostly how I get movies and series since every streaming service offers worse options then I'll get for free. Pirates will always find a way. I haven't noticed any change lately.
Honestly you missed the biggest part of the story. While the relative percent of Internet traffic may have been going down for a long time, I think that's mostly because there are more people on the Internet doing things that use up more data. The actual user experience for piracy had only been getting better and easier for years. That is, up until Russia invaded Ukraine, both countries which had been the center of piracy since all the lawsuits started in the west. Releases have slown down a lot since then. A lot of the community has moved to private groups that you need to pay to join and have rules you need to follow which scares off new people even if it's much cheaper and easier than legal means.
It felt like more seeds back in the day because a movie took eight years to download and we all stuck around waiting. Now I can rip a whole studio's output in an afternoon and I only need one or two seeds to do it. It's better than ever.
Showing torrenting traffic as a percentage of Internet usage is pretty misleading when you consider that the overall use of the Internet has skyrocketed in the last few decades. I'd be curious to see that statistic in picobytes per year.
Torrenting is STILL ALIVE and thriving my guy! The problem I have with the arguments made in this videos is that the statistics used are majorly from North America, specifically the USA. For many people in developing countries, piracy is literally the only way they can access movies and music. In my country Kenya 🇰🇪, movie shops selling pirated international media are the economic lifeline for so many families. Every neighbourhood you go to will have hundreds of them. They are everywhere! Streaming subscriptions are still out of reach for many people here. And even for those who have Netflix, they may not have the money to subscribe to multiple streaming services like Amazon or Hulu so they'll end up pirating content found on those other services they don't have. And with the increase in the availability of broadband home internet across the country, torrenting has become easier than it's ever been.
Torrents gave better user experience than most cable providers, then streaming services were born giving a better user experience than torrents. Alas the streaming services began destroying the user experience, thus torrents are making a come back.
Shutdown?? No not at all. I downloaded a game earlier at 55MB/ps Megabytes not bits. It's not dead, it's not shutdown, stop talking shit with your click bait... Fake news. PS: torrents are not illegal, not at all. Some pirates content is, but torrents are not.
It's nowhere near dead. The bitrate you can get from torrenting you can't get with any service provider... and the percentage is lower only because the internet traffic is getting bigger...
I have a drive dedicated for torrents, but they're stuff from Humble Bundle and Linux ISOs I use often, namely Mint, Ubuntu (Deskto and Server, though only LTS), and Fedora. It's kind of a safety measure in case the sources become lost and for helping areas that still do not have the crazy fast internet speeds (Though, if you do, you can go even faster with a Torrent download).
To quote Valve co-founder Gabe Newell: _Piracy is almost always a Service Problem and not a Pricing Problem._ And that's why Torrents will never truly go away.
Problem with the numbers that they SAY they lost due to piracy is they don't have a fucking clue. in Video game piracy quite often it can lead to a sale if they like the game, like wise enjoying a movie can lead to buying the box set once it comes out on DVD. People who wait to see it on their computer first back in the 2000s.. weren't going to the movies to see it either way, so they didn't lose money from it. Hopefully enough of us keep it alive so once more people understand that you don't own your video games, you can't own anything you stream.. if you wanna keep it.. you gotta download it somehow.
Arrr, ye think torrenting be dead, do ye? Har har! Torrentin’ be as alive as the sea be deep, ye just need t' know where t' set sail! If ye've lost yer way, follow th' black flag an' keep yer sails full. There's always a cove where th' treasure still flows-ye just need th' right map!
Great work, I would add that ISPs really killed it in combination with stated reasons, when Comcast sends you warning letters to stop or no more internet you're going to stop when it's the only option for service.
I can at first agree with you. But since Chapter 5 the streaming services are getting greedy. Where they look at how they can force more money from the users and force them back to torrenting as the companies ignore creating a service for users and instead see how they can force more money from the users and deliver worse service. So now, I think there is a greater risk that it will be torrent 2.0 instead of those streaming services that only think about sucking out more money than making a service that benefits everyone.
Graph showcasing 98% decline in interest for Torrents globally since 2004:
trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=torrents&hl=en
Graph By Google, LOL, go check the traffic on the main non Russian torrent site, then go check traffic on Russian and Chinese t. sites where Google has no way of getting data... and the as usual erase my comments.
Besides that Graph is about the searches made for the world "Torrent" on Google search engine...
What about Qbittorent: trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=%2Fm%2F0f9ypn&hl=en
It looks like its increasing despite being a torrent
What about Qbittorent? I checked the Google trends and it just keeps increasing. It shows a 96% increase globally since 2004.
@@LogicallyAnswered Conflating a decline in Google search for 'torrents' with a decline in torrent activity is ridiculous 🤣🤣🤣 This is just a lame attempt to hold your position after the backlash in the comments. Not logical
Letting everyone believe torrenting is dead is exactly the narrative we need to push to keep it alive.
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yep i still to this day torrent everything I watch or play. even paying for netlix and disney+ I still torrent the shows and movie in there because their bitrate is horrible compared to the bluray version.
only buy indie games. and donate 15 USD between a couple pirate sites.
I mean the biggest barrier people face to doing it now is finding safe places to get them from. I don't see how convincing folk it's over is going to help that. And if fewer people do it, there's less seeders and so it's worse for those still doing it.
Yeah, Piracy is dead, too, so Big Corp should stop suing people :(
@@littledudefromacrossthestr5755 Can you please explain?
I still prefer torrenting instead of streaming subscriptions, mainly for offline viewing and archiving
nah...the A/V quality is better with the steaming services...but yes, it still has its place
@@AnonymousAccount514 I use it for AV, but the A/V of the AV is most commonly 720 which is not that great A/V for AV.
That’s insane the audio and video quality of torrents is massively better. I have gigabit internet but torrents still have much higher quality. That along with offline viewing (mkv/mp4) are two of the largest reasons why I like torrents.
Let me guess, you were born in the 80s?
A/V quality better huh?
Netflix: arbitrary 1080p max on any device except for their proprietary app on a proprietary TV that collects your data by default, or a specific browser extension to make it 4K, and a constant internet connection. On top of a paid subscription.
Torrenting and downloading: guaranteed 4K, no internet needed, view on any device.
The loss of revenue figure was totally bogus because it assumed every copy was a lost sale. Before torrenting many people borrowed each other’s albums and manually copied them.
True
Not to mention that even if you didn't buy it. If you told someone that you liked said product, they may have bought it. Therefore it cost these companies nothing to get a sale that came because of you.
I agree. Many who pirate simply can not afford to buy. In many cases, those who can't afford, get together, pool the funds, buy o ne copy and copy it through the group. 7 lost sales? No! One sale that would otherwise never have happened.
it's quite the easy narrative to push to uncaring/unknowing masses.
It would be interesting seeing the ACTUAL data of how many people pirate a piece of media, to then later acquire it; those that do not; and those who simply pirate to find other means to access media they already pay for.
YES and we paid royalties on tape media and later HDDs and still they kept suing ppl
The pure greed of the corporates drove BT and will soon lead to the fall of streaming - ppl will realize that paying 2 or 3 services without owning anything just isn't to...
If buying isn't owning , Pirating isn't stealing . 🏴☠
“You wouldn’t download a car..”. oh wait, I need to pay a $15 monthly fee to use my heated seat?
Ever more true every day
Even in Future, Yes.
@@rapmastac1362 I remember that commercial. My DVD copy of Alien vs Predator started with it. And I'm now thinking ''WHAT? If I could download a car, I would definitely do it!"
It never was since it's copying.
Torrenting is still a must for programs where the companies doesn't allow you to buy a lifetime license. Adobe is a good example.
Even 'lifetime' is a fleecing of consumers. If you buy something, you should own it. And it becomes part of your estate. After you die, your property becomes something you give to those you've named.
See Bruce Willis. An extremely wealthy owner of digital content who fought as a matter of principle.
Like filmora!
Lifetime more like 1 - 2 years until expire
I'm eastern european and I wholeheartedly disagree. Torrenting is alive and going strong over here.
Ah, interesting
Western European here, still got my pirate bay.
same😂
East European here, torrenting is going strong for movies, tv series and all cracked games including Space Marines 2.
That game was on torrent site since early access. I played that game pirated first even though I pre-purchased that game.
yeah, because 70% shows are blocked on netflix and other stream services, and you need to use vpn... makes it easier just to get torrent for some
the enshitification of streaming services also contributed to why streaming the high seas are rising.
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@@LogicallyAnswered Lack of availability like exclusive countries is another.
@@ghb323 a lot of people just use VPN's to get around that. But the idea that torrenting is dead is entirely absurd click bait
@@CGoody564 I can agree, on both. About the clickbaty stuff; what if pirates simply avoid google to find “treasures under the sea”? That maybe the reason why google searches to find such treasure is declining. Because google teamed up with “police boats” and war vessels, they would take down “sea maps” directing to those “treasures”.
one big issue is paying for 1080p or even 4K and getting at best 720p, just because you are not using a closed system like a Smart TV
Who else is torrenting and watching this video simultaneously??
Me! Seeding some of the anime I dloaded from Nyaa torrent site! ^_^
I torrented this video just so I could
m literlly using fitgirl to torrent ragnarok right now
🤣🤣🤣🤣
When Netflix showed up then people found it easier to just pay a bit and have a huge library of content. Now we have a bunch of streaming services and they keep getting more expansive. So the cost of streaming has gone up significantly. Also the quality of movies and TV shows has dropped, which makes it even less likely that someone is willing to pay for it. For these reasons i think that torreting is going up again.
this. Streaming services are treating us like fools they can milk forever even when the service they provide only gets worse with time.
@@sergiovr3 Executives of Streaming Services. I'm even sure the production side of these companies legitimately want to put out something people would watch. But they're not the ones giving people the green light. That comes from up on high. At the start up on high didn't care, so they just green lit anything. "Content is content".
Sadly, most Gen Z nowadays don't even know torrenting existed
Yep, personally was happy to stop torrenting when streaming first came out. Then they enshitified it and now I'm back sailing again because it's simply easier, faster, more reliable, cheaper and I get a much better library.
Agreed on the issue of streaming services but the quality of movies and especially TV series are better than ever.
Torrenting is gone only in western countries that care about copyright law and sue people who violate it
It’s very much alive in Eastern Europe and other developing countries that have bigger problems than copyright laws
This statement makes more sense
ive been using it since napster days , no vpn and im yet to get sued . /shrug . Canada
@@jaerockchalk3216 same. i buy stuff when its worth it and/or the marketing was honest though.
But it's not gone at all in western countries, it's going stronger than ever if anything. Reality is just that there's cheap and easy methods to hide yourself online now so a lot of reporting companies have trouble ascertaining how many people are actually torrenting.
Very well alive in South East Asia too
Dude, torrenting is pretty much still alive...
Agreed. This video isn't well researched.
@@jblasutavario9549 But to know that he'd have to go (gasp) the dark web (dramatic sting)!!!
@@jblasutavario9549 His videos is usually well researched, but I agree, this one is not.
But is not in its prime.
@jellyface401 Come on now. Of course it's not in its prime, but the title says how 'How torrenting lost 98% of its users'...
Seriously, does that sound 'logical' to you?
Make torrenting great again
Hahaha
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Huh? Its already great than ever before with new sites such as 1337x
It has evolved mate. Stremio for example.
@@thesid92 stremio?
As Gabe Newell said before; "Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem. If a pirate offers a product anywhere in the world, 24 x 7, purchasable from the convenience of your personal computer, and the legal provider says the product is region-locked, will come to your country 3 months after the US release, and can only be purchased at a brick and mortar store, then the pirate's service is more valuable.".
People spend thousands on PCs, hundreds on storage, yet they choose to torrent the game or a movie and watch in on Plex or Jellyfin. They clearly have the money to spend, but why would they? Why would I want a shittier product (slower because of DRM, eligible for removing because of weird copyright bullshit) when I can have it better with a few simple clicks?
Fuck big companies, viva la piracy.
Very well said. Perfectly described everything I am feeling.
Gabe Newell never visited 3rd world country when buying games legally is impossible
For me it’s a pricing problem. The minimum wage in my country if $450. If you have a $600 salary, you are well paid. Do you think we could afford a $60-$100 game? 0_o
@@RealityCheck6969 That's why regional pricing is so important but not enough developers use it because they don't really care.
I also use KODI to watch videos on my pc which is connected to my 65 inch tv.
torrents are very alive
Not according to Google trends. Maybe in some more communities though.
@@LogicallyAnswered people usually don't use google to torrent since most of the sites are blocked or don't index properly. Yandex search is a more popular choice. I heard that from a friend, I would never torrent myself and I never lie.
@@LogicallyAnswered probably less than in the past. but many torrent sites have millions of visitors per month.
@@LogicallyAnswered Pirates don't use google lol
@@LogicallyAnswered Bing and Reddit just suit better for search. plus, there are also dedicated search engines for pirated games and movies
Torrenting is very much still alive the world over, and I think it's making a comeback in the West as well. Streaming services have increased in number, and unless subscribers are prepared to pay a premium, they get ads forced on them too. Torrenting is making a comeback if anything.
Why download shows tho u can just stream it on one of those sites lol never understood the point of downloading showa
Any sources? I have been using the ancient TPB but nothing new is on the horizon or i am super out of the loop here
@cr4yv3n FED - piratebay is like my first torrent lol
r/Piracy
@@cr4yv3n mate this is a very easy to look up. spotify / youtube has every song you could ever want, googling "watch X movie free online" for 15 mins will pop up a browser for any movie streaming service you could ever want. The pirate bay even has Space Marine 2 which just came out and if you read the comments and look up how many seeders they are you'll find the game that actually works
Russia disagrees, also you missed games/software torrenting and focused way to much on music
So does Eastern Europe and the Balkan. Here in the Balkan a lot of people pirate stuff to this day, because most services are either still either unavailable due to "region locking" or have limited selections due to again "region locking", so piracy makes sense. Plus we aren't persecuted for piracy, only companies are. I have pirated for a long time, and haven't got in trouble for it.
Torrent is coming back with the prices
Maybe
@@LogicallyAnswered it never went out just moved away from the front page of the internet. reddit piracy site has 700k users and there is many many more popular sites and forums for it.
@@LogicallyAnswered it never left
especially how much the essential software's cost. It's absurdly high. You can't even buy a lifetime license i.e. Adobe softwares.
how many people are watching this video in free windows?
How many watched in free windows and dedicated torrenting machine ? 😅
massgrave - microsoft activation scripts ;)
I use linux big boss
@@xr.spedtech Linux users are legends. I wanted to use Linux. But I can play genshin impact on Linux. If it was possible I would be using Linux right now.
😅 I'm watching it on free windows and a cracked version of UA-cam premium
You got it wrong. UA-cam and other streaming services have grown a lot in the last few years. Torrents are alive and kicking.
There is no decline. Torrenting is actually getting bigger and faster. In fact you have websites advocating Torrenting. And if Google really wanted to they would've put a block on all aspects of Torrenting. I still torrent and so must you, it's pretty much second nature at this point.
Cheers 🍻
Im Indian,me and all my friends are using torrent more then ever
Living in a 3rd world country, in this current economy and era where almost everything requires internet and subscription, I'll teach my kids how to save money using torrent...
I live in one of the ritchest countries in Europe and still can't afford to pay for that stuff. Although being 40yo I'm not a target for new music films or games so there is only 3-4 things a year I really want to download.
Piracy is part of financial literacy.
Change my mind.
You will own nothing and you will like it.
Stopped watching after the phrase "potential revenue". I have a potential revenue of 100 trillion dollars but you don't see me crying.
We on the internet (the one of that era) have come to call it "Copyright Math". And it got really funny when the industries started stealing from smaller artists and creators, and things like sales data (which these firms and businesses would have) can provide verifiable proof of "lost sales". So of course they weaseled they're out of it.
Some of the best ones were the lawyers (which now basically just act on their own at this point), were threatening lawsuits against artists for music their clients had essentially sampled/influenced, or just outright stolen from; and using things like UA-cam Content ID to find victims.
@@freelancerthe2561 I have never heard of the term "Copyright Math" and I'm almost 40. :P
Anyway, I find it extremely disingenuous to say you COULD have made X amount of money off people who clearly didn't think the amount you were charging was acceptable for the product. They literally argued that every download was a lost sale. In my eyes their lost "potential revenue" was exactly zero seeing as people who wanted the CDs would go out and buy them. RAA are the ones stealing from artists in the first damned place.
Honestly miss this era. The Wild West internet was so much better and less regulated. How it should’ve stayed.
Social media, with its censorship and control, has ruined the internet. The Internet was so much better 25 years ago.
and more free for people to express themselves, so many good comedy videos been on youtube in 2008-2012 time which are now not possible due to much regulated BS...
I burned a CD of songs I down loaded from Napster and Lime wire. 20 years later I came across CD and put it my new(er) computer. Anti Virus lit up!!!!
To much money in it. U used to connect to the net as a separate world. Now it's just everywhere
Halph of modern stuff would not be popular if not for pirating. Right Windows???
Probably true
@LogicallyAnswered its the reason wi dows is practically free now. Companies pay for it, and half the people working there only know it because it comes bundled with most laptops.
I don't think Microsoft really cares if you pirate Windows. Of course they would never admit that on record. They care way more about your personal data that they mine than they do about you pirating Windows. IF you decide to pay, that's just a bonus to them.
@@Snorlaxiian I think he meant Windows XP
The rise of streaming services probably vastly increased internet traffic as a whole, thus the same amount of torrenting that went on before the streaming explosion would be a much smaller percentage of the whole. From where I sit torrenting is still quite popular! But let's pretend that you are correct and it's dead, we don't need the attention of the RIAA and MPAA. Direct download of pirated content is a thing too, and various un-official movie and TV show streaming sites, and newsgroups. You only covered torrenting, just one of several ways to pirate. It's true that the glory days of Napster are over but torrents are still very much alive and well. I suspect some of us built our music and movie collection up to near max and now just top it off occasionally.
Torrenting is bound to make a comeback now that the enshittification of the streaming services has begun.
What are you talking about? we have more seeders than ever.
guys please just shuddup and agree with the video, that narrative is perfect
Torrenting may have declined in the USA but it is alive and well in many parts of the world.
Torrenting is the reason why video decoding in smartphones is widely supported.
switzerland torrenting is litarly legal
ummm yeah??? nothing about it has every been illegal, its the content being tormented thats that is relevant, not the protocol
@@michaelfisher4737Legal in Switzerland 🇨🇭 as well.
I've never stopped torrent. I can see its use going up with the current state of subscription services
What bugs me is it is hard to actually BUY albums from artists now. Like ya know, to support them. With early iTunes and Google Play you could, but now artists rarely even put out digital albums. And you simply cannot find a way to buy/own it via something like Google Music. It's super annoying. I am certain the artists make damn near nothing from streaming services.
This! I still buy entire albums on iTunes (on Windows), then copy the files manually to back-up folder just so Apple doesn't get any weird ideas.
no views in 4 secs. bro fell off
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must have been shadow banned
Its not over im pirating almost everything 😅
torrenting use to be the place to get low quality files, now it is the place to get high quality files. things sure changed.
Now that everyone is saying how bad streaming and corporations are, piracy and torrenting is becoming a thing again.
*Me watching this video
*Checking my 10 torrent downloads on my 2nd screen, each has hundreds of seeder.
*Me smiling bashfully while closing this video tab.
Torrent is very much alive still
My 2 petabyte Jellyfin server says otherwise.
Proud torrenter still. Great video as always.
Hahaha, thanks for watching Balpreet!
What organizations don't understand is that pirates are NOT going to buy your product, and that's why they pirate it.
If you can create a business model where people can test the demo version and afford to buy the product much cheaper by purchasing in installments, this would solve a lot of the problem and PLUS it would enable companies to charge more.
Like Gabe Newel from Valve has said: “The easiest way to stop piracy is not by putting antipiracy technology to work. It’s by giving those people a service that’s better than what they’re receiving from the pirates.”
One phrase I've heard before that I very much believe in is think of pirates like your competitors. They're already offering the product for free which is a pretty strong draw. You have to offer something that competes with that which pretty much amounts to convenience and/or service while maintaining reasonable pricing. Sadly streaming services are forgetting these items and it's causing a resurgence in piracy.
L take. People have been saying this since 2014 (at least that's when i'm aware). Truth is, backing up image files of a server and buying tons of domain is still cheap expenses compared to the ads revenue they generated.
i'm 20. and i use pira ted apps, games, movies, anime, manga.
Torrenting is dead?! But there is no legal way to download and own most media in high quality to compete with it. Why would I pay money for an inferior product that I can't own instead of sticking with free high quality products that I can own? I have never used Netflix or similar streaming services in my life.
I to this day don't have a netflix, amazon, disney or spotify account.
And guess what I'm up to date on all the movies, shows and music I want.
Any guess how?
While I don't think this video is wrong,
I believe it is relevant to those in North America and Western Europe.
The rest of the billions of people who don't live there still very readily use torrents to access entertainment.
Back in the day people moving to Germany got a rude shock when they got letters demanding a payment of a 1000€ - legal firms (both demanding payment and defending users) made a killing g.
This video was sponsored by netflix
"Legal method is easier and reasonably priced." This logic no longer holds any validity. There are several streaming platforms. Hence content is spread out thinly.
The prices too are no longer "reasonable". If you account for the number of subscriptions, it becomes prohibitively expensive.
Third, Consumers NO LONGER Own the Content. They are allowed access to the content as long as they are paying the monthly subscription. And even then, companies might restrict access.
Fourth, there's no "Offline" database of Content, even if you have legally purchased it. Hence, no internet means no content.
Simply put, these companies are essentially compelling torrents to return, if they have truly lost users.
Lol wtf are you saying torrenting is dead? It actually grew tenfolds. Just visit any torrent site and the average seeders are in the 2000's. You would be lucky to get 100 seeders way back in the 2000's, 😂
It works absolutely flawlessly here :) I think right people know where to look at and its nice that way.
Torrents are alive bro, I seeded 16 terrabytes in the past 6 months alone.
And you are a hero for it 👍
@@markotts Keeping that rarbg library going after it went down.
Detective: "Are the Decline of Torrents in the room with us?"
man, this dude is awayyyyyyyyyyyy off, and I´m glad people think like this.
Torrents thrive as never before, with the legal platforms shattering their content more and more, torrenting is still relevant and the only safe and quality way to get to movies and series. We never stopped.
very wrong. maybe in US it's declining, but in asia it's going very strong. it's so prevalent even my professor in top 5 university in my country suggested the class to go to lib*** or tpb or zlib to get textbooks.
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Pirating itself is thriving. However, downloading directly from a server instead p2p is much faster and reliable than torrenting.
@@redbuIIracing33 it really heavily depends on the server and the load. Most of the time, whether I am torrenting or downloading directly, I am limited by my own internet connection
I wouldn't say it's thriving in all of asia, I haven't met a single person who knows what a torrent is in korea. I can definitely find korean torrents but most are quite old or zero seeders always. If the economy is ok and there are plenty of convenient alternatives most piracy will decline. Meanwhile I never see textbooks on torrent sites, but they are found on other sites. Yandex is very useful for searching for those sites sometimes- because google is junk.
Torrenting has gone underground. It's still better than streaming. Getting every streaming service is too expensive. And now that you don't own what you buy, pirate life for me
I don't watch normie stuff that's on Netflix. The rare shows I watch are out of print or not available on streaming platforms. Torrents it is to this day. And it's still going strong.
The word decline is misleading. If it still has the same amount of users 20 years later, but the internet is much larger today then it was in 2004, is it really a decline?
This is just plain wrong, and let's keep it that way.
I was a stay at Home mom with no money in my IRA or any savings of my own, which was scary at 53 years of age. Three years ago I got a part time job and save everything I make. After 3 years, I am 56 yo and have put $9,000 in an IRA and $40,000 in my portfolio with CFA, Stephanie Janis Stiefel. Since the goal of getting a job was to invest for retirement and NOT up my lifestyle, I was able to scale this quickly to $150,000. If I can do this in a year, anyone can.
I know this lady you just mentioned. Stephanie Janis Stiefel is a portfolio manager and investment advisor. She gained recognition as a former employee at Goldman Sachs; a renowned investor she is. Stephanie Janis Stiefel has demonstrated expertise in investment strategies and has been involved in managing portfolios and providing guidance to clients.
How can i reach her, if you don't mind me asking?
Well her name is 'STEPHANIE JANIS STIEFEL'. Just research the name. You'd find necessary details to work with a correspondence to set up an appointment.
Been debt free for two years thanks to Stephanie Janis Stiefel. So sad to see my friends in their 40s with car loans, mortgages and credit card debt.
The thing is people often doubt the prospects of financial advisors like Stephanie Janis Stiefel in business/markets today.
Well it gives me more time to get ahead while they stew in their own pity and doubts as they childishly complain about those spreading the word
torrenting is absolutely necessarily in High censorship environment like China for viewers to get western music, movies ,tv shows etc
nonsense
@@martinmengh How is that nonsense? In Asia torrenting is very popular partially for this reason
@@Madness1337 Because in China, very few of us use torrents for many reason:
1, we have our own social media environment and media content for everything we need, so 90% of our society don't even feel the need to use VPN to access foreign media.
2. For those who do access foreign media, we don't access it all the time. Most of us still spend vast majority of our time consuming our own media content, even if we are capable of using the VPN to access foreign media.
3. For those who do use VPN, and do regularly access foreign media, most are accessing the legal parts of foreign media (UA-cam, Twitter, Facebook, Google, Wikipedia, etc)
4. For those who do use VPN, and do regularly access foreign media, and do access illegitimate parts of foreign media like torrent, they ran into the same problem that people outside of China run into (see list of problems in this video).
So no, tormenting is not "absolutely necessarily in High censorship environment like China", because the cost benefit ratio is so terrible that it's really not worth it.
We don't need foreign media content nearly as much as foreigners think we do, lol
@Madness1337 Asia except Japan. They have no idea what it is... Which means that the companies fleece them for money. : /
I live in Baltics and torrenting is not dead. Every friend uses it. Why pay for multiple crap streaming service when you can just download every movie/series/games/software? Nobody cares about downloading music.
Way to make a video full of lies. Torrenting is more alive than ever. You can literally download any movie, album, game, book from hundreds of sites in seconds with tons of active seeds 24/7. You better delete this video because this is a serious hit to your credibility.
trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=torrents&hl=en
I'll never stop torrenting not only because it's free but because streaming services can randomly decide to remove content for no reason (it's happened for me with Spotify) so I'd rather have a local copy of my music and movies in a hard drive which nobody will delete.
I've been pirating since I was old enough to use a computer. t's mostly how I get movies and series since every streaming service offers worse options then I'll get for free. Pirates will always find a way. I haven't noticed any change lately.
Honestly you missed the biggest part of the story. While the relative percent of Internet traffic may have been going down for a long time, I think that's mostly because there are more people on the Internet doing things that use up more data. The actual user experience for piracy had only been getting better and easier for years. That is, up until Russia invaded Ukraine, both countries which had been the center of piracy since all the lawsuits started in the west. Releases have slown down a lot since then. A lot of the community has moved to private groups that you need to pay to join and have rules you need to follow which scares off new people even if it's much cheaper and easier than legal means.
It felt like more seeds back in the day because a movie took eight years to download and we all stuck around waiting. Now I can rip a whole studio's output in an afternoon and I only need one or two seeds to do it. It's better than ever.
Watching this while torrenting 2tb of files😊🍿
Showing torrenting traffic as a percentage of Internet usage is pretty misleading when you consider that the overall use of the Internet has skyrocketed in the last few decades. I'd be curious to see that statistic in picobytes per year.
*Looks at Jellyfin server*
Yeah sure, Torrenting it 'dead'.
Torrenting is STILL ALIVE and thriving my guy! The problem I have with the arguments made in this videos is that the statistics used are majorly from North America, specifically the USA. For many people in developing countries, piracy is literally the only way they can access movies and music. In my country Kenya 🇰🇪, movie shops selling pirated international media are the economic lifeline for so many families. Every neighbourhood you go to will have hundreds of them. They are everywhere! Streaming subscriptions are still out of reach for many people here. And even for those who have Netflix, they may not have the money to subscribe to multiple streaming services like Amazon or Hulu so they'll end up pirating content found on those other services they don't have. And with the increase in the availability of broadband home internet across the country, torrenting has become easier than it's ever been.
torrents are dying nothing to see here
If i buy a chair, i have the right to allow my friends and family to sit on it.
you are not using it doesn't mean its dead😂
Torrents gave better user experience than most cable providers, then streaming services were born giving a better user experience than torrents. Alas the streaming services began destroying the user experience, thus torrents are making a come back.
Torrenting never vansished. It is still here and aLIVE! Sharing is caring!
Oh no! The filthy rich losing money. I'm so sad buhu! :p
Shutdown?? No not at all.
I downloaded a game earlier at 55MB/ps Megabytes not bits.
It's not dead, it's not shutdown, stop talking shit with your click bait...
Fake news.
PS: torrents are not illegal, not at all.
Some pirates content is, but torrents are not.
As a kenyan, this video is inaccurate
It's nowhere near dead. The bitrate you can get from torrenting you can't get with any service provider... and the percentage is lower only because the internet traffic is getting bigger...
P2P is still huge BTW
I have a drive dedicated for torrents, but they're stuff from Humble Bundle and Linux ISOs I use often, namely Mint, Ubuntu (Deskto and Server, though only LTS), and Fedora.
It's kind of a safety measure in case the sources become lost and for helping areas that still do not have the crazy fast internet speeds (Though, if you do, you can go even faster with a Torrent download).
im not paying netflix 40 bucks a month to watch netflix originals and bollywood movies, get real lmao
If the streaming sites keep increasing prices, pushing ads and reducing content, torrenting will be the way to go again.
Useless video. Torrenting still going strong
I stopped torrenting because pirate streaming sites appeared. But when they get close, you have nothing.
Gotta buy a SDD at least 1TB.
yea bs video, sorry :/
To quote Valve co-founder Gabe Newell: _Piracy is almost always a Service Problem and not a Pricing Problem._ And that's why Torrents will never truly go away.
most of the PC games are torrented
Problem with the numbers that they SAY they lost due to piracy is they don't have a fucking clue.
in Video game piracy quite often it can lead to a sale if they like the game, like wise enjoying a movie can lead to buying the box set once it comes out on DVD.
People who wait to see it on their computer first back in the 2000s.. weren't going to the movies to see it either way, so they didn't lose money from it.
Hopefully enough of us keep it alive so once more people understand that you don't own your video games, you can't own anything you stream.. if you wanna keep it.. you gotta download it somehow.
It was never even CLOSE to 70%. Utter nonsense.
Arrr, ye think torrenting be dead, do ye? Har har! Torrentin’ be as alive as the sea be deep, ye just need t' know where t' set sail! If ye've lost yer way, follow th' black flag an' keep yer sails full. There's always a cove where th' treasure still flows-ye just need th' right map!
lol this is so full of shit
Great work, I would add that ISPs really killed it in combination with stated reasons, when Comcast sends you warning letters to stop or no more internet you're going to stop when it's the only option for service.
I can at first agree with you. But since Chapter 5 the streaming services are getting greedy. Where they look at how they can force more money from the users and force them back to torrenting as the companies ignore creating a service for users and instead see how they can force more money from the users and deliver worse service.
So now, I think there is a greater risk that it will be torrent 2.0 instead of those streaming services that only think about sucking out more money than making a service that benefits everyone.