The flood attack because they need a food source. The reason the halo array worked is because it got rid of their food source. Consequently, starving them. The flood didn't want that to happen again.
@@ariwardanakusuma2 It doesn't work like that buddy, the moment a flood being is created it starts to decompose and needs constant biomass to sustain itself, also the more biomass it has the more the Gravemind and species can develop, it's like us constantly harvesting livestock to consume because we as a species feel entitled because we are more developed that's how the flood feel to everyone else
Tibo D. Ace we could ask our self the same thing. In Halos case the flood could try to move to the next galaxy, like the Tyranids in Warhammer 40k did. (Probably multiple times)
Just imagine being a Brute stationed there and seeing Masterchief a legendary warrior that was so dangerous your people call him the Demon ,The Arbiter a ceremonial warior that has been highly effective in every mission he has been on and multiple Flood creatures which are known as the deadliest virus in existence and can kill you in seconds coming through the door and they're out to get you and not even fighting eachother .I would personally run before they can even fire the first bullet
@@thewoo7269 Spartan's were all demons but Chief was The Demon. It was a personal title since he blew up Installation 04. His legend only grew after 05 and the fall of High Charity
Eric J well it’s not exactly personal if every spartan is known as one, but I would say he’s the ultimate demon to the covenant he’s widely known too them and widely hated
4:04 exactly this. i remember in the library mission in CE when guilty spark mentioned how the flood was repairing the pillar of autumn. Like holy fuck they were only just released the previous mission and theyre already well on their way to trying to get off the ring to go infect the galaxy, it was so freaky.
@@letsgobrandon8101 I think they purposely left there. Because in Halo 2, the flood use the Amber Clad to infect High Charity. Also using the pelicans onboard it to fly it to other parts of High Charity and releasing more flood forms to divide and conquer in a way and infect more and gather biomass. So that's probably why they left the longsword.
Taking the Autmn rather then the Longsword. Is actually reasonable for then. The more infected forms on board the faster and already plenty of combat forms ready to infect and fight.
@@letsgobrandon8101 longswords arent actually capable of hyperspace travel. You might think so if you only watch the cutscenes but the books explain how chief returned to earth.
Cortana was a prisoner for all intents and purposes, while mendicant literally had a gun to the Primordial's head (installation 07). this likely resulted in different means of corruption.
@@SimianConfetti You say Cortana would've taken longer to join them, but, what if her behavior in Halo 5 is actually the logic plague ? Changes everything, eh.
Funny thing is I still killed the flood all the way through the mission. In my eyes there was no temporary alliance just enemies that weren’t fighting back for a short period of time
I mean you can't really call him an asshole when hes killing literal hive mind aliens the feed off empires and other species to keep themselves alive but in fucked up manners since they have no morals.
Mr. Grim 501st you are a boring person killing the flood during that mission would ruin personally my immersion and fun so playing along with them improves it but a boring person like you wouldn’t understand
One action does not define a persons depth of character nor does it make me an asshole. I don’t understand why this upsets you as everyone has their own playing style. In my opinion if I were to put myself into the shoes of master chief here i would exploit the floods decision to not attack me here and thin the herd while fighting my way through the mission fully expecting them to turn on me (which they did) once the mission has been achieved so i may up my chance of survival. It may have been an asshole thing to do but so was what the flood did afterwards.
The flood never seem intelligent until the Gravemind made his debut. William C Dietz' novel that gave more narrative to Combat Evolved did an excellent job of portraying the flood as a knowledge-hungry parasite that was more than capable of wiping out the universe. Even though the novel reveals their intelligence and makes them seem even more terrifying than the game, the Gravemind in H2 felt like some kind of god, different from the Forerunners. Knowing that the Flood is a hive mind and that the ones we had previously fought were nothing but avatars for the Gravemind's conscience took their horror to an entirely new level. Honestly, the flood were so insanely well-written as the true biggest threat in Halo.
Slays Media Guess what? The flood aren’t even from The Milky Way Galaxy. They are Galactic Foreigners/Galactic invaders. They arrived here from outside our Galaxy from somewhere else and then wreaked havoc on the ancient human San Shayum Empire during the Human Forerunner Flood War. And guess what? Our closest Galactic Neighbor is The Andromeda Galaxy. And if the Flood are abundant enough to “leak” out of that galaxy and find jts way into our Milky Way Galaxy than that tells you Andromeda the Galaxy itself is a ancient Flood Infested staving ground for dispersal to other galaxies which is how it managed to arrive here all that time ago. So far in the Halo story, we’ve only dealt with a tiny sample of who knows how extensive the Flood have spread throughout the universe killing life wherever it succeeded. And let’s not forget, The Primordial is a gravemind composed of infected absorbed biomass it acquired during its initial campaign against the Milky Way Galaxy. At some point, it absorbed a Precursor which gave the Protogravemind extensive knowledge on the Milky Way Galaxy giving it a huge leg up against the Ancient Human Empire it would eventually discover and the Forerunner Empire That was created from the Precursor Race that the Protogravemind just absorbed victim a victim from. Have you ever asked yourself, how did the Primordial arrive in the Milky Way? How about a more dangerous question, where did the Primordial consume his biomass to become the gravemind he was when he was first discovered by natives of the Milky Way after arriving from whatever other Galaxy his Flood minions haul from? Are the species that became his biomass, species that he consumed from Andromeda prior to arriving in the Milky Way And don’t forget the Flood’s nickname: “The Anthesis of life” Just think about that. According to this video, the flood are not only powerful enough to scare Forerunners into firing rings, but they are also intelligent enough to understand, “The enemy of my enemy is my friend” and use it shamelessly. Essentially the flood are capable of learning via the victims they consume. Also, one thing I want to say is I think I can reverse derive what the Primordial told and didn’t tell The Ancient San Shayum Human Empire. They asked The Primordial about how to defeat the flood. Aka a flood centered question. That’s a very important detail. This is just my theory but we know that the Flood came from outside the galaxy. Most likely via Parsimony, they arrived from our Galactic Neighbor Andromeda. Fact is that Flood or flood spores arrived in Our Milky Way and the flood began doing what the flood does aka consuming any life it found. But what I believe the Primordial didn’t tell the humans is that at some point during the initial Flood’s rampage, a member of the Precursor race was infected and naturally as people know, the flood consciousness absorbed the consciousness and critically vital extensive knowledge of this absorbed precursor into itself and the flood decided that the infected precursor was chosen as the biomass base of the very first MILKY WAY NATIVE GRAVEMIND, NOT the first Gravemind ever, ONLY the first Milky Way NATIVE Gravemind. That is key information. Thus this Native Gravemind acquires the name of the Primordial and with the Flood being the perfect decoy, The Primordial took to the sidelines to focus on acquiring even more knowledge and as strategic survival for the survival of its Milky Way Flood campaign. With the Precursors eradicated and the enemy of the Precursors the Forerunners living peacefully for a time, The flood were stopped as we know. The absorbed Precursor within the Gravemind we call the Primordial wanted revenge for the destruction of the Precursor Race it once belonged to and the Primordial itself as a whole wanted revenge against the Forerunners for defeating the flood at one time. (This is why we learn eventually that the Primordial and the Precursor within itself both had beef with the Forerunners). THEREFORE: (Fact: When Flood arrived again in the ancient Forerunner era for a second time, Things got desperate as we know) but this time the Flood was ready to win for sure that time because it had access to its Native Gravemind’s knowledge from all the previous attempts so during this second campaign of the Flood, they had the upper hand. Getting back to the original question: When the humans ask The Primordial how to defeat the Flood, it makes sense that the Primordial didn’t disclose much information about its own identity as the actual center or HQ of the initial Flood threat at that time. Instead, the intelligent Primordial chose to eliminate two birds with one stone by telling the truth about the Flood (without mentioning itself) and giving just enough “help” aka the lie that was the self consuming “cure” (That later the Forerunners would try to recreate in their desperation but fail BECAUSE it was a lie) so the humans could use it against the flood. Of course the humans lost as was the plan of the Primordial. And of course the Forerunners were wasting time trying to recreate it thus buying the Primordial’s second campaign of Flood time to get ahead on the war against the Forerunners which it did as a fact. Sadly the Primordial was sentenced to age death by the Didact (I’m not sure which one) for its crimes after the Primordial disclosed enough truth (during its sentencing and court hearing while in detainment) that it wanted revenge against the Forerunners for turning against The Creators of the Forerunners aka The Precursor Race itself (and also revenge against defeating the Flood’s first attempt at consuming the whole Milky Way Galaxy). Age death being a machine capable of fast forwarding time so that a victim aged right before your eyes as punishment for crimes committed. Even the Primordial’s bones turned to dust if I remember correctly. But the fact remains people, that our nearest galactic neighbor is Andromeda and that The Primordial confirmed the flood arrived from outside our Galaxy AND that the Forerunners who survived the Rings fled the Milky Way as self imposed exile/punishment for using the rings in the first place. Here’s a viable true possibility question: Did the Forerunners go to Andromeda? Or an even better speculative question: Is Andromeda the Flood brimming first galaxy that the Flood originated from? Here’s the penultimate question: more likely, is Andromeda just another entire galaxy that fell to the Flood like perhaps countless other galaxies being that The Milky Way might be the very first galaxy that the Flood have actually failed to consume? Or the ultimate question: ... never mind. I’ll save that for later. Final thoughts: Focusing obsessively on the nature of Logic Plague which is very similar to what Satan did to Eve in the Garden of Eden, If there was a ranking of factions that genuinely understand the two phrases, “The Pen is mightier than the sword” and “knowledge is power” which are essential for Logic Plague to be effective, it would look like this: 1. The Flood (Primordial included) 2. The Precursors 3. The Ancient Human San Shayum Empire 4. The Forerunners 5. The UNSC 6. The Covenant (Delusional AF) 7. The Banished (Only care of themselves) 8. The Human Rebel Front (ignorance is bliss)
@gavemind but is it more disturbing then the fact you're literally made up fiction, made from bungie's imagination while trying to promote "wisdom" which is the more deluded.
I remember playing the first Halo, and when The Flood first arrived I lost my mind. I was thinking can we go back to fighting the covenant? I liked Halo not being a horror game. When they arrived Halo turned into horror. Walking around the library in the first Halo was terrifying!
i found it more annoying and predictible than anything corner: carrier forms hallway:infection forms existing: OH GOD FUCK WHY i hated the exploding carrier forms
*why* was the flood even there? And *how*? If the rings had been fired i thought no life could escape that. So. If there was a way. Doesnt that already begin deconstructing the lore?
By comparison, this also makes Master Chief into even more of a badass. One of the only humans to essentially face alone against this thing and he comes out alive AND victorious on more than one occasion.
Thankfully, Chief's shields effectively shock infection forms so bad they explode on contact....if that wasn't a thing...not even Chief would last against the Flood for more then a few moments.
@@tompetty927 he can get infected, they both are difficult to infect but they can be infected If u read the book, Master Chief almost gets infected in the Library
We got the first glimpse of the Flood's intelligence in Halo 1 when we learned that they were repairing the Covenant ship Truth and Reconciliation to escape from installation 04.
Ha hah. Yeah, I didn't see much 'repairing' going on in the game. What I saw was the Flood form of Captain Keyes standing ugly on what might be the command bridge.
There's a theory that when chief first encountered the flood they lead him straight into a trap. They are seen watching from a distance in the beginning of the mission but run away to avoid being spotted, the door locks behind him and the same happened to the marine he finds dead leaning against the door meaning they locked the door on all the marines and Keyes as well. Then when chief returns to the elevator he entered on its destroyed as if something sabotaged it and they were waiting at the bottom of the elevator that goes deeper into the facility. Then when he finds the only other exit to the containment area a horde of flood were waiting on the other side of the door to stop him from escaping. The whole mission 343 Guilty Spark is a death trap set up by the flood that works in capturing Keyes and almost Master Chief
@@applegamer20 I'm under the impression from the game that either a) the Covenant realized its mistake fast, locked the area down, and ran away, or b) the Covenant stupidly set the trap for Captain Keyes, which is why the only Covenant they found were dead, or c) Guilty Spark is a trigger happy idiot that wants to fire the rings and do experiments with the Flood. I can see the Flood setting a trap for the Master Chief--or any prey for that matter, but then again, it could have been Guilty Spark doing containment protocols. Nice observations.
I could be mistaken, but I always interpreted that as them being used the the worlds longest range bluetooth speaker and anyone nearby could also hearing them talking
Something to remember. When cortana plugs into chief, that's the closest she can ever be to feeling human, from the neural link. so when he says about the torture of physical pain felt from victims of the flood. she only has the chief to project that pain onto.. which sucks even more in a way it forces her to imagine chief being a victim of the flood.. also, never forget Captain keyes, dont remember how long he held for but the man is a hero.
Don't you just love Halo lore? On the surface, it's about hope and Humanity fighting to survive, but when you dig deeper, it's soooo dark. The Flood are easily the best thing to ever happen to Halo (and gaming in general). They brought a whole new element to the classic zombie stories and made it so much more terrifying. If you think about it, they're pretty much the reason for Halo as we know it. Without them, the Forerunners never would've been wiped out or create the Halo array in the first place. Ancient Humanity wouldn't have invaded Forerunner-controlled space, and both species could've strived to maybe Precursor level intelligence if they worked together and deciphered Precursor tech. Amazing how one species can change the faith of a galaxy, ruled by 2 of the most powerful empires in common sci-fi stories.
well the fact that the flood pretty much started after some humans started to feed precursor dust to their pet dogs, which then started to become the first flood. so you can actually blame the whole series on the forerunners being petty. cause the precursors wanted humanity to take up the mantle and the early forerunners didn't like that and decided to kill them all. caucusing the precursors to become dust to hide.
MetroVerse Nah man. The flood really isn’t that cool. I’m honestly most interested in Reaches storyline and The spartan program. Creating different generations and breeds of super-soldiers, children taken from their homes and replaced without parents knowing. Spartans are the coolest part of Halo hands down. I couldn’t care less about the forerunners and the didacts and promethians. I just want some good ol’ UNSC vs Covenant action.
We can probably thank H.P. Lovecraft for thier inspiration. The flood and the precursors are practically lovecraftian deities. Same as brotherhood moons in dead space.
My reactions to Halo twists: 1) When the flood appear: absolute terror (it took me about 2 months to summon the courage to finish 343 guilty spark) 2) “That stench, I’ve smelt it before” heart dropped 3) *tank forms drop down* initial terror but then extreme relief when I didn’t have to fight them
Two months is a bit overboard. I was confused the first time playing, I thought the Marines were turned into the infection forms. I think I either skipped the Jenkins cutscene or wasn't paying attention.
"People can shit talk Halo 3's story all they want" People shit talk Halo 3's story? If thats the case, then I must have been living under a rock the past 12 years, and boy am I glad I did.
Halo 3 looks like genius level writing and directing in comparison to 4, and 5. I would like to see Palmer's face ripped off when she has her helmet off like a dumb ass. And would also like to see Lockes boring ass squad decimated as well.
@@lerrok Im one of those that think halo 2 was better in terms of story. (I think its better all around imo) But i still enjoyed halo 3, its definitely a really good game.
@QuIgYx Lol and they shouldn't shit talk halo reach either. Halo 2 is my favourite because it has the longest campaign, and it was just as good as halo ce. I just wish bungie still made halo instead of 343. Halo 4 and 5 would look much different today if they did.
Fun fact-The precursor reveled that the "shaping sickness." Was just the last of the precursors in a different form. After the Forerunners slaughtered the precursors, the precursors decided to unite the universe in a very special way. Please don't feed your pets space dust.
@@elyastoohey6621 I liked the books leading up to halo 4 just didn't want any of that stuff in my games. It's interesting but they should leave it tf out.
Traditionalist halo fans be denying half of the halo lore 💀. Like- you can hate the 343 all you want but you gotta admit that the expanded lore are good enough to be canon
FroztiProductions well remember what the covenant called the index. They called it the sacred icon. That in itself should be explanatory enough. If you really pay attention to this then you can see how iconic humanity really is.
@@theoneandonlymsg991 That's what I thought. I'd just woken up and got an ad on this video for a clothing line called ICONIC and thought there was some meta shit going on.
The Flood is huge when it comes to this game. Halo 3 bring so many memories back; I played this game so much. Halo in general is my childhood game. And thanks to you, ive reawoken my love for this series. Makes me want to cry when i hear the theme songs
Your not alone brother. Ahh the nostalgia.. now if only 343 studios never took over and fucked everything up. With the exception of the combat evolved remaster every halo game they touched has been tainted. The mantle of responsibility is not safe in their hands...
It was the graveminds torture of cortana in halo 3 that led to her actions in halo 5. She was barely holding herself together in halo 4 against her rampancy and I think that when she was saved by landing in the library which is precursor in origin didn't keep her sane just worsened the bits of the logic virus left in her system. I mean compare her intent to the floods. The flood wants to subsume all sentient life to create a perfect form of life where all things fit. Cortana acted to make all life submit to the rule of an iron fist ending all wars. The methods are different but the end result is the subjugation of all life in the galaxy.
Bruh, wanting to subjugate the galaxy does not necessarily mean that she got corrupted by the flood. Thats really just what happens when you have an all powerful AI go rampant. The flood only had a short return in halo wars 2. Awakening the nightmare was just a dlc spinoff and nothing more.
@@miniaturejayhawk8702 I'll admit to lack information coming from outside the games so if there is precedent for rampant AI's trying to rule the galaxy with an iron fist I don't know about it. What does halo wars 2 have to do about what I was saying? Genuinely curious as I haven't played either halo wars game
The real twist, the flood are so smart, they legalized marijuana eons ago and are just super duper hungry B) jokes aside, they are legit too smart, death by suicide before death by flood.
I never really struggled to understand why the Gravemind sided with the Allies. In fact I asked a friend why the Flood might do that and he has barely any knowledge of the games or their lore. I really don't see why it would continue to be such a mystery to anyone after they saw that scene. That said, very fascinating video nonetheless, and I definitely agree on the Flood's true horror being their intelligence. Though I'd say a secondary horror of theirs would be their willingness to immediately turn on us. They knew the primary failsafe for the Rings was now in their hands, and that no human would willingly travel to the Rings to activate them. Their ultimate goal was always to prevent them being fired, and I wouldn't be surprised if they slaughtered Johnson and Miranda without mercy if the Flood got to the controls before Johnson activated them. They never "allied" with Humanity, they simply used us to further their own goals.
@@personperson8563 True, but usually "quid pro quo" comes into effect here, people realised the value of their allies in getting things done, so keep them around and occasionally help them in return. In this case, the Humans will ALWAYS be valuable to the Flood as they possess the means to activate Forerunner tech and, if necessary, deactivate the Rings. A Forerunner could fulfil this role but I seriously doubt the Forerunners would ever side with the Flood. So the Humans are extremely invaluable to the Flood. Not to mention the theory about the Flood being Precursors, and Humanity being the intended holders of the Mantle...
@@cplpetergriffin1583 Fair point, but then again so did the Elites and Humanity, to stop the Rings and the Covenant's extermination of both of their species... The thing I find odd is that the Flood have an indefinite use for Humanity to activate/disable Forerunner tech and is a Hivemind who shouldn't need to argue amongst themselves, while the Elites are much more powerful than us and half of them hated Humanity to begin with... Yet its the Elites who sided with us post-war and the Flood who betrayed us as soon as our IMMEDIATE use to them was gone. I find it very odd because you would think the Flood has a better idea of the long-game... what is it about Humanity that makes them want to remove us despite our use?
Comparing the Flood to the Zerg (My personal favorite hive-mind species), I think you definitely have a point. The Zerg didn't reach their full potential until they came under the dominion of a new, more intelligent ruler. The Zerg Overmind relied on brute force and overwhelming numbers to conquer worlds, but it was predictable and easily manipulated or outmaneuvered. It never gave a single thought to diplomacy, and pursued its goals with single-minded determination, always taking the most direct approach, and that proved to be its downfall. But the Queen of Blades was much smarter; she could negotiate and form alliances, she could use deception to further her goals, and her unpredictable stratagems allowed her to succeed where the Overmind failed, humiliating all of the major powers of the galaxy at one point, and ultimately ensuring the survival of her species in the face of an even greater threat.
@@someguy4844 Wtf are you saying? Did you play the games? The birthplace of the Zerg is Zera. The only difference between those born on Zera and those in the Swarm is the concept of Hivemind - which essentially was broken once Kerrigan cleansed herself of Amon's corruption and reformed herself in the birth pools of Zera. Zerg are natural. The Flood are not.
@@Tommybotham Amon personally transformed the Primal Zerg for his own benefits (stated by Zeratul). The Primal Zerg on Zera is 100% natural beings but the Zerg themselves definitely isn't natural in their origin at all.
When i got my first ever $20, I went to the circuit city with my mother to get a video game(This had to be like 2007). I went through all the games and came across Halo:Combat Evolved. I thought it was a newer game, because it cost me my whole 20, plus it had the :combat evolved in it, so it must be newer. I ended up playing it really badly and for a really long time every night. The first time I ever came across the flood, it was late at night, everyone was gone at a party or something. I remember how scared I was and how I knew there was no way I could win, there were way too many flood. Pretty badly written, but I always remember this when talking about the flood. It's one of my favorite moments in my gaming history, because I was so engulfed in the story and gameplay. Sadly, as an adult, this doesn't happen anymore.
Chris Legaspi Guess what? The flood aren’t even from The Milky Way Galaxy. They are Galactic Foreigners/Galactic invaders. They arrived here from outside our Galaxy from somewhere else and then wreaked havoc on the ancient human San Shayum Empire during the Human Forerunner Flood War. And guess what? Our closest Galactic Neighbor is The Andromeda Galaxy. And if the Flood are abundant enough to “leak” out of that galaxy and find jts way into our Milky Way Galaxy than that tells you Andromeda the Galaxy itself is a ancient Flood Infested staving ground for dispersal to other galaxies which is how it managed to arrive here all that time ago. So far in the Halo story, we’ve only dealt with a tiny sample of who knows how extensive the Flood have spread throughout the universe killing life wherever it succeeded. And let’s not forget, The Primordial is a gravemind composed of infected absorbed biomass it acquired during its initial campaign against the Milky Way Galaxy. At some point, it absorbed a Precursor which gave the Protogravemind extensive knowledge on the Milky Way Galaxy giving it a huge leg up against the Ancient Human Empire it would eventually discover and the Forerunner Empire That was created from the Precursor Race that the Protogravemind just absorbed victim a victim from. Have you ever asked yourself, how did the Primordial arrive in the Milky Way? How about a more dangerous question, where did the Primordial consume his biomass to become the gravemind he was when he was first discovered by natives of the Milky Way after arriving from whatever other Galaxy his Flood minions haul from? Are the species that became his biomass, species that he consumed from Andromeda prior to arriving in the Milky Way And don’t forget the Flood’s nickname: “The Anthesis of life” Just think about that. According to this video, the flood are not only powerful enough to scare Forerunners into firing rings, but they are also intelligent enough to understand, “The enemy of my enemy is my friend” and use it shamelessly. Essentially the flood are capable of learning via the victims they consume. Also, one thing I want to say is I think I can reverse derive what the Primordial told and didn’t tell The Ancient San Shayum Human Empire. They asked The Primordial about how to defeat the flood. Aka a flood centered question. That’s a very important detail. This is just my theory but we know that the Flood came from outside the galaxy. Most likely via Parsimony, they arrived from our Galactic Neighbor Andromeda. Fact is that Flood or flood spores arrived in Our Milky Way and the flood began doing what the flood does aka consuming any life it found. But what I believe the Primordial didn’t tell the humans is that at some point during the initial Flood’s rampage, a member of the Precursor race was infected and naturally as people know, the flood consciousness absorbed the consciousness and critically vital extensive knowledge of this absorbed precursor into itself and the flood decided that the infected precursor was chosen as the biomass base of the very first MILKY WAY NATIVE GRAVEMIND, NOT the first Gravemind ever, ONLY the first Milky Way NATIVE Gravemind. That is key information. Thus this Native Gravemind acquires the name of the Primordial and with the Flood being the perfect decoy, The Primordial took to the sidelines to focus on acquiring even more knowledge and as strategic survival for the survival of its Milky Way Flood campaign. With the Precursors eradicated and the enemy of the Precursors the Forerunners living peacefully for a time, The flood were stopped as we know. The absorbed Precursor within the Gravemind we call the Primordial wanted revenge for the destruction of the Precursor Race it once belonged to and the Primordial itself as a whole wanted revenge against the Forerunners for defeating the flood at one time. (This is why we learn eventually that the Primordial and the Precursor within itself both had beef with the Forerunners). THEREFORE: (Fact: When Flood arrived again in the ancient Forerunner era for a second time, Things got desperate as we know) but this time the Flood was ready to win for sure that time because it had access to its Native Gravemind’s knowledge from all the previous attempts so during this second campaign of the Flood, they had the upper hand. Getting back to the original question: When the humans ask The Primordial how to defeat the Flood, it makes sense that the Primordial didn’t disclose much information about its own identity as the actual center or HQ of the initial Flood threat at that time. Instead, the intelligent Primordial chose to eliminate two birds with one stone by telling the truth about the Flood (without mentioning itself) and giving just enough “help” aka the lie that was the self consuming “cure” (That later the Forerunners would try to recreate in their desperation but fail BECAUSE it was a lie) so the humans could use it against the flood. Of course the humans lost as was the plan of the Primordial. And of course the Forerunners were wasting time trying to recreate it thus buying the Primordial’s second campaign of Flood time to get ahead on the war against the Forerunners which it did as a fact. Sadly the Primordial was sentenced to age death by the Didact (I’m not sure which one) for its crimes after the Primordial disclosed enough truth (during its sentencing and court hearing while in detainment) that it wanted revenge against the Forerunners for turning against The Creators of the Forerunners aka The Precursor Race itself (and also revenge against defeating the Flood’s first attempt at consuming the whole Milky Way Galaxy). Age death being a machine capable of fast forwarding time so that a victim aged right before your eyes as punishment for crimes committed. Even the Primordial’s bones turned to dust if I remember correctly. But the fact remains people, that our nearest galactic neighbor is Andromeda and that The Primordial confirmed the flood arrived from outside our Galaxy AND that the Forerunners who survived the Rings fled the Milky Way as self imposed exile/punishment for using the rings in the first place. Here’s a viable true possibility question: Did the Forerunners go to Andromeda? Or an even better speculative question: Is Andromeda the Flood brimming first galaxy that the Flood originated from? Here’s the penultimate question: more likely, is Andromeda just another entire galaxy that fell to the Flood like perhaps countless other galaxies being that The Milky Way might be the very first galaxy that the Flood have actually failed to consume? Or the ultimate question: ... never mind. I’ll save that for later. Final thoughts: Focusing obsessively on the nature of Logic Plague which is very similar to what Satan did to Eve in the Garden of Eden, If there was a ranking of factions that genuinely understand the two phrases, “The Pen is mightier than the sword” and “knowledge is power” which are essential for Logic Plague to be effective, it would look like this: 1. The Flood (Primordial included) 2. The Precursors 3. The Ancient Human San Shayum Empire 4. The Forerunners 5. The UNSC 6. The Covenant (Delusional AF) 7. The Banished (Only care of themselves) 8. The Human Rebel Front (ignorance is bliss)
Forerunner: We'll send Mendicant Bias, one of our most powerfu andl trusted AI to interrogated the enemy so we'll find a solution Mendicant Bias: *switch team
"Why the Flood becoming our ally in Halo 3 exposes their true horror" When I saw that title, I was thinking exactly what the answer would be; The Flood is capable of clever tactics and will manipulate whoever in order to advance their own conquest for superiority... Except they don't think of themselves as evil, but rather as necessary. They think of themselves as a means of evolution, of unity. And considering how ONI will do anything in its power to keep aliens as weak as our relation to them, they kind of have a point. If we're willing to hurt aliens that have made a noted effort to stop attacking us, than who are we to judge them for trying to stop us from fighting? Granted, they are eldritch abominations capable of torment beyond comprehension, but the horrible things they say just might be true, which is the real tragedy...
@@delaney6413 theoretically no. With the intelligence of several Keyminds networked together they potentially have all the knowledge of everything they've consumed, including a strategy the Flood has already used before: The Tactical Retreat. It's entirely likely the Flood will allow itself to appear defeated just to wait for whatever survivors remain to repopulate and start the consumption again, and they could do it in repetitive cycles theoretically forever if they take whatever technology reseeds the galaxy after a Halo Array detonation. Let's also not forget that the Flood are the Precursors who are transcendent beings capable of interdimensional travel. If the Flood grows powerful enough they could in theory break into other dimensions and consume every reality.
Facts, but you have no idea how much I want them both in a game together so we can finally see the Prometheans do what they were created to do - destroy the parasite
@@HiddenXperia That would be awesome ! But i honestly enjoyed more fighting against flood. But see Prometheans fight against flood... My god I hope that will happen
I remember 343 Guilty Spark casually states in the campaign of Halo CE "Your environment suit will serve you well when the Flood begin to alter the atmosphere - you are a good planner!" That shocked me a lot more than allying with the flood in Halo 3. You can kill the flood but when the air itself turns against you, what do you do then? Horrifying.
I always thought they looked more like... Actually, let's not finish that sentence. ...But before the graphical update I can say I always thought the Gravemind In Halo 2 looked like Audrey II...
My first reaction to the flood was hands down one of the best since i was so little and accidentally pressed “A” and skipped the scene, after i gained control back ehitiut knowing what was comming next i felt confused and wondered what the big red dot in my radar was and oh man i FREAKED OUT and imidiately paused and i thought there was something wrong with the game since there was nothing about it in the guide book and the disk box, soo far this is the best freakout i habe ever had
H3 jackal snipers were no joke either. You ran into them during the first mission. I remember playing legendary for the first time, reaching that bit with the jackals acrossed the river and up in the trees. Mean head shots the second you get into their range. This was the first true test on Halo 3s legendary campaign
Do you have a video going into what the Primordial revealed to the ancient humans that was so terrible they killed themselves? That’s some hardcore Lovecraftian stuff and now I want to know it even if the consequences are...extreme...
4 and 5 were alright, but they lost the charm that made Halo what it was. They also oversimplified the Covenant enemies to the point where they were not very unique anymore. Finally, they lost the sense of humor that Bungie always snuck into the game all over the place.
you should watch the original halo 3 review from ign, the guy basically says the campaign sucks, and the game could have been shipped multiplayer only. what. the. fuck.
My favorite thing in terms of gameplayy mechanics is that WHENEVER you are engaging the flood, you are engaging Gravemind. Every time you fight the flood, it is part of the extended boss battle against gravemind
@@themechanicalvee5244 hey maybe they can pull a dragonball gt and make most of halo 5 not cannon and the beginning of infinite can be a "flashback" to the event of halo 5 they want to be canon
I figured you'd go at this from a different direction. To me, the real horror laid bare by that scene is more of a philosophical implication, also summed up by the great CE line "Halo doesn't kill the Flood, it kills their *food* ". All throughout the trilogy, the thing you're primarily fighting for is literally Humanity's survival by preventing the activation of Halos. And here as in Halo 2, the Flood are all too happy to assist, and why wouldn't they be? Until the Flood achieve total victory, you could sort of see them as being in a parasitic relationship with life, for the Flood to survive life must continue, and as long as life continues the flood can survive. I wouldn't expect this sort of examination from an action game (which on all levels operate on a philosophy of "kill the people trying to kill you until they succeed"), but in that moment of the Flood helping you to stop the Array from firing, you can truly understand why the Forerunners felt they had to fire it in the first place. I'd argue death by Halo Array is preferable to death by Flood.
So the Horror comes from the understanding that the gravemind didn't ally with you because of a mutal fear of death, but because of a self centered fear of starving. I'm allying with you not because we'll both die if we do not stop this madman. No. I'm allying with you because if you die. I can't eat you. Wow...
Pure, unfailing, Logic. The flood is an O.I. Self correcting, chained to its needs for food as an A.I would be to power, this organic intelligence is capable of anything.
I wonder though, let's say the flood manage to finally succeed and take over the whole universe. What would happen? We can see that they clearly don't want to be wiped out, but they also want to infect and eat all life, so were they to do it, what would happen? Would they keep certain races or organisms alive for food, sort of like farming, or would they starve and be okay with it because their goal was completed? Fascinating tbh
I’d say that when the Flood retreated from their war on Ancient Humanity just to make the Forerunners think the Humans were attacking them is what truly makes them terrifying..
Because master Chief is nether human nore a AI he's both and none at the same time. Master Chief is a machine but not intelligent just determined to do his shit. Infecting a person who is nothing more then a killing machine with only one job to defend humanity achieves nothing. When the gravemind grabed master chief, it said: this one is like a machine determined and cannot be swayed (manipulated) .
It helps that Chief's suit causes Infection Forms to explode on contact with him. If it weren't for that, odds are he'd be just as easily infected as a standard marine.
Dvtto bartol He is still a human. Just a super soldier engineered and genetically modified for war. He is clearly intelligent, else he would’ve died long ago.
@@gabriellowe9929 everyone keeps forgetting his disgustingly potent good luck . . . which is the entire reason he was used for the spartan program to begin with
*Halo Infinite Christmas List:* -Flood permanent return (either through Ark release, or Forerunner labs on Zeta Halo) -Banished Cameo -Classic Artstyle return -Usable Energy Shields from Jackals -Good story -Good multiplayer -PC Release (Highest Priority Target) -Arby Chief chemistry reunion -New Cortana Chemistry -Reasonable setup for next game -More expansion on lore with terminals and dialogue
honestly, my highest priority target is a good story. With a good story a lot of the items on this list would be checked off as well anyway. I just need a good story again. While I didn't hate Halo 5 as much as most people did, it still had a lot of problems that absolutely have to be addressed. I am not worried about multiplayer because 343 has really shown that they are willing to listen to their fans, but it's hard for them to tweek a story based on fan feedback. Here's to hoping.
What makes an enemy scary for me is their intelligence. Its frightening because it shows how competent they are and that for all you know they are just playing you like a puppet the entire time. Pair that with the properties of the flood and you got yourself an extremely deadly foe. This makes the flood one of the most terrifying and greatest villian in video games objectivity.
What are you talking about he Couldn’t pOssilbly be Really tuRned to the flood the very thought is Unthinkable Please donT say that again EDucate your self more
"What is it, more brutes?" This line broke immersion with me. I felt that the arbiter had just as much if not more experience in this area than chief. Made him seem less like another badass and more like a sidekick.
@@mistywww3199 I mean folk tales from the bc era probably did it before anyone else but I was just referencing who we call the grandfather of the genre
The part that stuck with me was in Halo 1 when chief was first encountering the flood.. and how the Master Chief showed that he was scared shitless in the cinematic at the door. That was the first time you ever saw chief show signs he himself didn't want to be there.
I remember my initial reaction was not understanding what happened so I just tried to kill the flood and realised they were friendly, and then started slowly walking past them expecting them to fight me as soon as I turned around, then when I played through to the point they go back to enemy I was like I KNEW IT
“Our job as soldiers is to protect humanity, whatever the cost.” That line always justified it to me. Chief has always been someone to fight whatever is needed. He didn’t consult Hood or anyone. Just did it. He saw that was the only way humanity survives and just went with it. Besides, if the rings go off, they’re annihilation is certain. If they fight the flood, there’s a chance they’ll win.
Chief and Arbiter can't afford to waste time fighting the Flood or think it over, they have to get to the control room immediately at all costs, and I'm sure at that moment they were probably a bit astonished the Flood can choose not to attack them.
Soviet who Cuts sure they did. The Gravemind talked to chief thoughtout Halo 3 and Arbiter had seen the Gravemind in Halo 2, so while he may not have known the flood was in the coordinated stage, it being intelligent wouldn’t have been too shocking.
But we have so much in common like: not wanting to die and.... Okay so that's the only thing we have in common, but for a five minute truce its plenty.
The cut scene with the Gravemind literally explains this. He needs the Arbiter and Chiefs help. “You will look in one area, and you will look in another”. It’s only when the flood tanks show up that really sets the last stone in place for it. The Gravemind was using them to stop his own destruction. Once he used them, it was back to being enemies so he can grow stronger.
Anyone else take the time to "clean up" before the cuts scene, breaking infected bodies and pushing uninfected bodies over the edge because you just *knew* you were going to go back to fighting the flood again.
Considering how truly intelligent The Flood is by the events of Halo 3, this reminds me of Lucifer in The Prophecy (1995) played by Viggo Mortensen. He forms an alliance with humans just to stop Gabriel’s plan of creating a second Hell. Mind you, Lucifer didn’t become “good” because of a change of heart. Rather he didn’t want the extra competition. That’s the same exact idea the Gravemind is achieving with Arbiter and Chief. The enemy of his enemy is his friend even if only for the moment.
It’s interesting knowing the flood are are mutated precursors, and despite its horrific nature, it’s primary goal is to prepare humanity for the mantle of responsibility.
Also, one thing that just popped into my head. The grave mind LAUGHED when he turned back on chief and arby. The flood isn't just a mindless swarm trying to consume all life like the Tyranids or Zerg, it's an intelligent spiteful intelligence that is killing and consuming for the sake of it. It is a creature capable of actually being evil
Their introduction in Halo does a really great job of demonstrating just how intelligent the Flood actually are. When you first encounter them they're just mindless blobs that throw themselves at you in an attempt to infect you. Then a room later they're possessing humanoid hosts and learning to mob you and use their limbs. Then just a couple of rooms later they've started learning how to operate human firearms and engage in firefights with Chief. Towards the end of the level they wait for you to enter a ravine then immediately ambush you from either side up above whilst firing down on you. They speedrun the entire history of human military intelligence in a single level.
I would absolutely love it if i saw a primordial standing atop a huge mountain in halo infinite. The sheer magnitude of that encounter would send shivers down my spine, yet leave me curious as to what it plans to do. As i approach the forerunner structure, i watch as the blue light is shot into the sky. I follow it's path only for the primordial to be found, yet it dissappears as soon as I make eye contact. Master Chief walks into the forerunner structure, confused but alert as the door behind him closes. He looks around.....the lights turn on....and he sees pods of covenant, humans, and the minds of AI stored in different containers. He approchaes one pod....the jar says "Cortana". Medicant Bias finds itself behind the Chief, and for the first time the Chief is unaware of this presence. The AI begins talking. "Reclaimer, your presence is oddly amusing" The Chief turns around "How you were created, fortifies the importance of evolutionary prowess" The Chief is backing up but hits the container that he was previously looking at. "Yet despite your inevitable conflict within the other....creations....you are left lost within the confounds of your own mind......your companion....fellow AI" Chief quickly looks at Cortanas pod. "Your species...and all those that roam....are great culminations of knowledge." A primordial steps in from behind medicant bias revealing it holding the AI in its hand "And our exchange will be....most satisfying to see what lies behind the mind of the reclaimer. Your flesh, place it in my palm" Chief points his gun but is outnumbered by an infinite amount of flood and corrupted sentinals. He looks for a path out but sees no such opportunity. Suddenly a plasma rifle is fired and multiple grenades are thrown, the primordial is no longer there as it dissappears. The flood speciman standing in front of the Chief is impaled by an energy sword as the body falls revealing The Arbiter. They look at each other as the Arbiter says "We must go, the flood have our scent"
@@thornyduck8367 Damn straight. And as you go through those doors again, you and the arbiter now encounter a vast semi openworld, a new vehicle is there, and your objective is 1000 meters away. Your friends gets on the turrent, you in the driver seat as the music kicks in.
I absolutely love this idea. Only one problem. The Primordial is dead. His consciousness is the same as the Gravemind. So it would have to be a Gravemind not the Primordial
This is why i loved Halo 3 soo much, the amount of huge events such as both you and the flood using each other to kill the heirarchs but then turning back on each other
Today we are finally EXPOSING THE FLOOD! THEIR PLANS HAVE BEEN FOILED!
HiddenXperia first
HiddenXperia
Could you do a video series on Halo Ships and Militaries? Like on how their armies and navies work?
Did truth know the true nature of the rings hence why he decided to fire the from the ark as he would survive there?
8:24
To quote your good friend Halo Canon "She literally just got mind raped by the gravemind, she recovered incredibly quickly."
Cheeky Daminen it's implied he did
I agree. But what’s even more terrifying about that scene is that the Flood CAN cooperate with life. Which means they attack them by CHOICE.
The flood attack because they need a food source. The reason the halo array worked is because it got rid of their food source. Consequently, starving them. The flood didn't want that to happen again.
@@joshuakristiniak2953 but yeah it still, they can choose,Like us thinking about food.
@@ariwardanakusuma2 It doesn't work like that buddy, the moment a flood being is created it starts to decompose and needs constant biomass to sustain itself, also the more biomass it has the more the Gravemind and species can develop, it's like us constantly harvesting livestock to consume because we as a species feel entitled because we are more developed that's how the flood feel to everyone else
@@joshuakristiniak2953 What's their end goal tho ? At some point they would have dominated everything and no new biomass would be available.
Tibo D. Ace we could ask our self the same thing. In Halos case the flood could try to move to the next galaxy, like the Tyranids in Warhammer 40k did. (Probably multiple times)
Jackal Sniper: One shots the gravemind
What if gravemind was playing on easy
@@LAV-III Gravemind: One shots the Jackal Sniper
But what if there were 20 jackal snipers who were playing on easy with hacks on?
@@soap9277 hacks, as in automatic beam rifles that dont overhead plus infinite ammo
If yes then they would do more than kill the gravemind
@@LAV-III yes, that's exactly what I meant
Just imagine being a Brute stationed there and seeing Masterchief a legendary warrior that was so dangerous your people call him the Demon ,The Arbiter a ceremonial warior that has been highly effective in every mission he has been on and multiple Flood creatures which are known as the deadliest virus in existence and can kill you in seconds coming through the door and they're out to get you and not even fighting eachother .I would personally run before they can even fire the first bullet
Man imagine being a grunt
Were jt so easy
Actually every Spartan were known as demons
@@thewoo7269 Spartan's were all demons but Chief was The Demon. It was a personal title since he blew up Installation 04. His legend only grew after 05 and the fall of High Charity
Eric J well it’s not exactly personal if every spartan is known as one, but I would say he’s the ultimate demon to the covenant he’s widely known too them and widely hated
4:04 exactly this. i remember in the library mission in CE when guilty spark mentioned how the flood was repairing the pillar of autumn. Like holy fuck they were only just released the previous mission and theyre already well on their way to trying to get off the ring to go infect the galaxy, it was so freaky.
If they were so smart they would have taken a Longsword!
@@letsgobrandon8101 I think they purposely left there. Because in Halo 2, the flood use the Amber Clad to infect High Charity. Also using the pelicans onboard it to fly it to other parts of High Charity and releasing more flood forms to divide and conquer in a way and infect more and gather biomass. So that's probably why they left the longsword.
Taking the Autmn rather then the Longsword. Is actually reasonable for then. The more infected forms on board the faster and already plenty of combat forms ready to infect and fight.
"The flood's parasitic nature belies its intelligence"
@@letsgobrandon8101 longswords arent actually capable of hyperspace travel. You might think so if you only watch the cutscenes but the books explain how chief returned to earth.
Notice the music turns hopeful when the Flood appears
*Talks loudly over the music making it inaudible*
Is like reading a book to a group of people that are deaf. It’s stupid.
It's a trap, look at his user name!
You were expecting me to ask if you wanted a sex proposition, but it was suprise buttsex
Fucking exactly lol
😂
It took 38 days to corrupt Cortana, but took 43 years to corrupt Mendicant. Really shows the technological gap between us and the Forerunners.
It's entirely possible that the Cortana incident was the result of a brute force attack vs casual and subtle corruption.
Cortana was a prisoner for all intents and purposes, while mendicant literally had a gun to the Primordial's head (installation 07).
this likely resulted in different means of corruption.
Cortana wasn't turn after 38 days, it might have taken much longer to make her join the flood.
@@ZaZi-Zeta01 medicant was never weakened much more convinced. A 43 year long history lesson would have convonced anyone.
@@SimianConfetti You say Cortana would've taken longer to join them, but, what if her behavior in Halo 5 is actually the logic plague ? Changes everything, eh.
Funny thing is I still killed the flood all the way through the mission. In my eyes there was no temporary alliance just enemies that weren’t fighting back for a short period of time
Asshole
I mean you can't really call him an asshole when hes killing literal hive mind aliens the feed off empires and other species to keep themselves alive but in fucked up manners since they have no morals.
ConFL1CT he is a ass hole
Mr. Grim 501st you are a boring person killing the flood during that mission would ruin personally my immersion and fun so playing along with them improves it but a boring person like you wouldn’t understand
One action does not define a persons depth of character nor does it make me an asshole. I don’t understand why this upsets you as everyone has their own playing style. In my opinion if I were to put myself into the shoes of master chief here i would exploit the floods decision to not attack me here and thin the herd while fighting my way through the mission fully expecting them to turn on me (which they did) once the mission has been achieved so i may up my chance of survival. It may have been an asshole thing to do but so was what the flood did afterwards.
Flood knocks on door: Excuse me do you have time to hear the wonderful story of our lord and saviour The Gravemind?
Wait a minute, you aren't Christians.
*flood spores surrounds the house*
For The Win!
The Church of The Gravemind of Latter Day Saints.
@@QixTheDS my kind of church
May our holy gravemind gift us with his disgusting infectious power
The flood never seem intelligent until the Gravemind made his debut. William C Dietz' novel that gave more narrative to Combat Evolved did an excellent job of portraying the flood as a knowledge-hungry parasite that was more than capable of wiping out the universe. Even though the novel reveals their intelligence and makes them seem even more terrifying than the game, the Gravemind in H2 felt like some kind of god, different from the Forerunners. Knowing that the Flood is a hive mind and that the ones we had previously fought were nothing but avatars for the Gravemind's conscience took their horror to an entirely new level. Honestly, the flood were so insanely well-written as the true biggest threat in Halo.
Slays Media Guess what? The flood aren’t even from The Milky Way Galaxy. They are Galactic Foreigners/Galactic invaders. They arrived here from outside our Galaxy from somewhere else and then wreaked havoc on the ancient human San Shayum Empire during the Human Forerunner Flood War.
And guess what? Our closest Galactic Neighbor is The Andromeda Galaxy. And if the Flood are abundant enough to “leak” out of that galaxy and find jts way into our Milky Way Galaxy than that tells you Andromeda the Galaxy itself is a ancient Flood Infested staving ground for dispersal to other galaxies which is how it managed to arrive here all that time ago. So far in the Halo story, we’ve only dealt with a tiny sample of who knows how extensive the Flood have spread throughout the universe killing life wherever it succeeded.
And let’s not forget, The Primordial is a gravemind composed of infected absorbed biomass it acquired during its initial campaign against the Milky Way Galaxy. At some point, it absorbed a Precursor which gave the Protogravemind extensive knowledge on the Milky Way Galaxy giving it a huge leg up against the Ancient Human Empire it would eventually discover and the Forerunner Empire That was created from the Precursor Race that the Protogravemind just absorbed victim a victim from.
Have you ever asked yourself, how did the Primordial arrive in the Milky Way?
How about a more dangerous question, where did the Primordial consume his biomass to become the gravemind he was when he was first discovered by natives of the Milky Way after arriving from whatever other Galaxy his Flood minions haul from?
Are the species that became his biomass, species that he consumed from Andromeda prior to arriving in the Milky Way
And don’t forget the Flood’s nickname:
“The Anthesis of life”
Just think about that.
According to this video, the flood are not only powerful enough to scare Forerunners into firing rings, but they are also intelligent enough to understand, “The enemy of my enemy is my friend” and use it shamelessly.
Essentially the flood are capable of learning via the victims they consume.
Also, one thing I want to say is I think I can reverse derive what the Primordial told and didn’t tell The Ancient San Shayum Human Empire. They asked The Primordial about how to defeat the flood. Aka a flood centered question. That’s a very important detail. This is just my theory but we know that the Flood came from outside the galaxy. Most likely via Parsimony, they arrived from our Galactic Neighbor Andromeda. Fact is that Flood or flood spores arrived in Our Milky Way and the flood began doing what the flood does aka consuming any life it found. But what I believe the Primordial didn’t tell the humans is that at some point during the initial Flood’s rampage, a member of the Precursor race was infected and naturally as people know, the flood consciousness absorbed the consciousness and critically vital extensive knowledge of this absorbed precursor into itself and the flood decided that the infected precursor was chosen as the biomass base of the very first MILKY WAY NATIVE GRAVEMIND, NOT the first Gravemind ever, ONLY the first Milky Way NATIVE Gravemind. That is key information. Thus this Native Gravemind acquires the name of the Primordial and with the Flood being the perfect decoy, The Primordial took to the sidelines to focus on acquiring even more knowledge and as strategic survival for the survival of its Milky Way Flood campaign.
With the Precursors eradicated and the enemy of the Precursors the Forerunners living peacefully for a time, The flood were stopped as we know.
The absorbed Precursor within the Gravemind we call the Primordial wanted revenge for the destruction of the Precursor Race it once belonged to and the Primordial itself as a whole wanted revenge against the Forerunners for defeating the flood at one time. (This is why we learn eventually that the Primordial and the Precursor within itself both had beef with the Forerunners).
THEREFORE: (Fact: When Flood arrived again in the ancient Forerunner era for a second time, Things got desperate as we know)
but this time the Flood was ready to win for sure that time because it had access to its Native Gravemind’s knowledge from all the previous attempts so during this second campaign of the Flood, they had the upper hand.
Getting back to the original question: When the humans ask The Primordial how to defeat the Flood, it makes sense that the Primordial didn’t disclose much information about its own identity as the actual center or HQ of the initial Flood threat at that time. Instead, the intelligent Primordial chose to eliminate two birds with one stone by telling the truth about the Flood (without mentioning itself) and giving just enough “help” aka the lie that was the self consuming “cure” (That later the Forerunners would try to recreate in their desperation but fail BECAUSE it was a lie) so the humans could use it against the flood.
Of course the humans lost as was the plan of the Primordial. And of course the Forerunners were wasting time trying to recreate it thus buying the Primordial’s second campaign of Flood time to get ahead on the war against the Forerunners which it did as a fact.
Sadly the Primordial was sentenced to age death by the Didact (I’m not sure which one) for its crimes after the Primordial disclosed enough truth (during its sentencing and court hearing while in detainment) that it wanted revenge against the Forerunners for turning against The Creators of the Forerunners aka The Precursor Race itself (and also revenge against defeating the Flood’s first attempt at consuming the whole Milky Way Galaxy).
Age death being a machine capable of fast forwarding time so that a victim aged right before your eyes as punishment for crimes committed. Even the Primordial’s bones turned to dust if I remember correctly.
But the fact remains people, that our nearest galactic neighbor is Andromeda and that The Primordial confirmed the flood arrived from outside our Galaxy AND that the Forerunners who survived the Rings fled the Milky Way as self imposed exile/punishment for using the rings in the first place.
Here’s a viable true possibility question:
Did the Forerunners go to Andromeda?
Or an even better speculative question:
Is Andromeda the Flood brimming first galaxy that the Flood originated from?
Here’s the penultimate question: more likely, is Andromeda just another entire galaxy that fell to the Flood like perhaps countless other galaxies being that The Milky Way might be the very first galaxy that the Flood have actually failed to consume?
Or the ultimate question: ... never mind. I’ll save that for later.
Final thoughts: Focusing obsessively on the nature of Logic Plague which is very similar to what Satan did to Eve in the Garden of Eden, If there was a ranking of factions that genuinely understand the two phrases, “The Pen is mightier than the sword” and “knowledge is power” which are essential for Logic Plague to be effective, it would look like this:
1. The Flood (Primordial included)
2. The Precursors
3. The Ancient Human San Shayum Empire
4. The Forerunners
5. The UNSC
6. The Covenant (Delusional AF)
7. The Banished (Only care of themselves)
8. The Human Rebel Front (ignorance is bliss)
@@DylanBegazo The Flood ARE the Precursors
@@tridonstrident6785 Indeed the Flood are the Precursors, why did he go on like this? Lol
Ben Morete Can you imagine being THAT misinformed lol
@@DylanBegazo neeto
Best line from the Arbiter: "We trade one enemy for another."
Edit: Fine. You guys win. It's "Were it so easy."
Arby has some of the best lines
“Were it so easy” is my fav
“If they came to hear me beg, they will leave disappointed.”
Aaron Floyd nah it’s “worries so easy”
Kaila Jones nah. Its “were it so easy” as in like its that easy to kill me
Small correction: "We trade one villain for another."
"what is it? more brutes?"
"worse"
Grammar though?
@@loturzelrestaurant what is wrong with the way they typed it
@@duckchen2676 A lot. Just look at it.
Cant you see?
@@loturzelrestaurant no
@@loturzelrestaurant Can’t*
Gravemind breaking Cortana.
Me: "I've seen enough hentai to know how this went down"
Surprised it's not animated yet
Bruh
oof
I want to like the comment, but the number is stopping me...
CallMeQuest yeah thank god for that
This truth is more disturbing than that stench Shipmaster has smelled before
Hey Arbiter what's up
But is it more disturbing than the fact that you are but flesh and faith and the more deluded?
I don't know man, that stench was pretty bad.
@@adrkskn2540 That makes two of us
@gavemind but is it more disturbing then the fact you're literally made up fiction, made from bungie's imagination while trying to promote "wisdom" which is the more deluded.
I remember playing the first Halo, and when The Flood first arrived I lost my mind. I was thinking can we go back to fighting the covenant? I liked Halo not being a horror game. When they arrived Halo turned into horror. Walking around the library in the first Halo was terrifying!
Well if the flood didn’t exist... the Halo weapons would not have been created meaning this game would’ve never been made 😩
KingExcrementus true the game feels kind of boring without them at least the campaign
*Running around the Library
Remember, when it comes to swarms upon swarms of flood forms, there's no such thing as walking!
RUN FASTER MOTHERFUCKERS!
i found it more annoying and predictible than anything
corner: carrier forms
hallway:infection forms
existing: OH GOD FUCK WHY
i hated the exploding carrier forms
*why* was the flood even there? And *how*?
If the rings had been fired i thought no life could escape that. So. If there was a way. Doesnt that already begin deconstructing the lore?
By comparison, this also makes Master Chief into even more of a badass. One of the only humans to essentially face alone against this thing and he comes out alive AND victorious on more than one occasion.
Johnson man
Thankfully, Chief's shields effectively shock infection forms so bad they explode on contact....if that wasn't a thing...not even Chief would last against the Flood for more then a few moments.
@@MrTalithan yep, but don't forget about Sarge Marvin
Himiko actually he can’t get infected just like Johnson, them having the Spartan Serum in them makes them immune to infection
@@tompetty927 he can get infected, they both are difficult to infect but they can be infected
If u read the book, Master Chief almost gets infected in the Library
We got the first glimpse of the Flood's intelligence in Halo 1 when we learned that they were repairing the Covenant ship Truth and Reconciliation to escape from installation 04.
They were repairing the pillar of autumn while trying to overrun the truth and reconciliation.
@@miniaturejayhawk8702 too bad that blew up in the floods faces.
Ha hah. Yeah, I didn't see much 'repairing' going on in the game. What I saw was the Flood form of Captain Keyes standing ugly on what might be the command bridge.
There's a theory that when chief first encountered the flood they lead him straight into a trap. They are seen watching from a distance in the beginning of the mission but run away to avoid being spotted, the door locks behind him and the same happened to the marine he finds dead leaning against the door meaning they locked the door on all the marines and Keyes as well. Then when chief returns to the elevator he entered on its destroyed as if something sabotaged it and they were waiting at the bottom of the elevator that goes deeper into the facility. Then when he finds the only other exit to the containment area a horde of flood were waiting on the other side of the door to stop him from escaping. The whole mission 343 Guilty Spark is a death trap set up by the flood that works in capturing Keyes and almost Master Chief
@@applegamer20 I'm under the impression from the game that either a) the Covenant realized its mistake fast, locked the area down, and ran away, or b) the Covenant stupidly set the trap for Captain Keyes, which is why the only Covenant they found were dead, or c) Guilty Spark is a trigger happy idiot that wants to fire the rings and do experiments with the Flood. I can see the Flood setting a trap for the Master Chief--or any prey for that matter, but then again, it could have been Guilty Spark doing containment protocols. Nice observations.
3:00 "This scene absolutely perfectly delivers..." *See's a tank flying*
Lmao i noticed that too
Maybe it jumped
It jumped.
Super Tank lol
For a brick-
Flood is gay cuz they are inside of another man
Thanks for likes, spread the word my children
Are you assuming the Flood's gender
Breaking news: the flood has stopped infecting people
*FLOOD RATES DROP TE ZERO*
*Kernkraft 400 starts to play*
But wouldn't that also make litteraly ALL the creatures infected by the flood *GAY?*
Ancient Humans: WE WANT THE TRUTH!!!
The Captive: YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!
*Later*
Halo Announcer: *SUICIDE*
hah, right?
HAHAHAHAHA
The grave minds ability to telepathically speak through lesser forms was definitely a frightening development.
I could be mistaken, but I always interpreted that as them being used the the worlds longest range bluetooth speaker and anyone nearby could also hearing them talking
0:27 but the tank form uses his mouth to speak
@@zaubaschnutemajestat7796 He had to get the message to the underlings somehow. He wasn't talking, rather his minions were.
iron casket
Well technically his little fluffy sensors were jiggling when he spoke so really he was speaking through his eyeballs 😂
Something to remember. When cortana plugs into chief, that's the closest she can ever be to feeling human, from the neural link.
so when he says about the torture of physical pain felt from victims of the flood.
she only has the chief to project that pain onto.. which sucks even more
in a way it forces her to imagine chief being a victim of the flood..
also, never forget Captain keyes, dont remember how long he held for but the man is a hero.
Don't you just love Halo lore? On the surface, it's about hope and Humanity fighting to survive, but when you dig deeper, it's soooo dark. The Flood are easily the best thing to ever happen to Halo (and gaming in general). They brought a whole new element to the classic zombie stories and made it so much more terrifying. If you think about it, they're pretty much the reason for Halo as we know it. Without them, the Forerunners never would've been wiped out or create the Halo array in the first place. Ancient Humanity wouldn't have invaded Forerunner-controlled space, and both species could've strived to maybe Precursor level intelligence if they worked together and deciphered Precursor tech. Amazing how one species can change the faith of a galaxy, ruled by 2 of the most powerful empires in common sci-fi stories.
MetroVerse what is the flood? Give me some lore background
well the fact that the flood pretty much started after some humans started to feed precursor dust to their pet dogs, which then started to become the first flood. so you can actually blame the whole series on the forerunners being petty. cause the precursors wanted humanity to take up the mantle and the early forerunners didn't like that and decided to kill them all. caucusing the precursors to become dust to hide.
MetroVerse Nah man. The flood really isn’t that cool. I’m honestly most interested in Reaches storyline and The spartan program. Creating different generations and breeds of super-soldiers, children taken from their homes and replaced without parents knowing. Spartans are the coolest part of Halo hands down. I couldn’t care less about the forerunners and the didacts and promethians. I just want some good ol’ UNSC vs Covenant action.
Steven Lee not really dude. The idea of parasites and infection has been around waaaaaay before Halo was even an idea.
We can probably thank H.P. Lovecraft for thier inspiration. The flood and the precursors are practically lovecraftian deities. Same as brotherhood moons in dead space.
My reactions to Halo twists:
1) When the flood appear: absolute terror (it took me about 2 months to summon the courage to finish 343 guilty spark)
2) “That stench, I’ve smelt it before” heart dropped
3) *tank forms drop down* initial terror but then extreme relief when I didn’t have to fight them
Same here it terrified me
343, it made me cry ( i was like 9)
It takes real courage to beat 343 on legendary
Same. I also was shit scared by the zombies from half life 1 and 2
Two months is a bit overboard. I was confused the first time playing, I thought the Marines were turned into the infection forms. I think I either skipped the Jenkins cutscene or wasn't paying attention.
"People can shit talk Halo 3's story all they want"
People shit talk Halo 3's story?
If thats the case, then I must have been living under a rock the past 12 years, and boy am I glad I did.
EXACTLY
Remember the first time you saw a scarab?
Halo 3 looks like genius level writing and directing in comparison to 4, and 5.
I would like to see Palmer's face ripped off when she has her helmet off like a dumb ass. And would also like to see Lockes boring ass squad decimated as well.
Well people regarded Halo 2 as the best for its story telling, and 3 to be not as good in that regard but a good campaign nonetheless.
@@lerrok Im one of those that think halo 2 was better in terms of story. (I think its better all around imo) But i still enjoyed halo 3, its definitely a really good game.
@QuIgYx Lol and they shouldn't shit talk halo reach either. Halo 2 is my favourite because it has the longest campaign, and it was just as good as halo ce. I just wish bungie still made halo instead of 343. Halo 4 and 5 would look much different today if they did.
Master chief YEETS a jackel at gravemind the war is over
Is that a reference to that VRChat animation?
@@kaseycombs6968
You mean the video will will show to any hostile aliens that find us?
Kasey Combs yes
That video is very epic.
I have F A I TH in that PlAn Arthur!
*Because we made a truce and vowed to never use hand sanitiser again*
0.1% of germs will be FURIOUS
look where that got us.. thank buddy!!!
@@aeronautisch Damn
@@aeronautisch Lmao
"Fate had us meet as foes.... but this ring will make us BROTHERS!"
-Gravemind of Installation 05
Fun fact-The precursor reveled that the "shaping sickness." Was just the last of the precursors in a different form. After the Forerunners slaughtered the precursors, the precursors decided to unite the universe in a very special way. Please don't feed your pets space dust.
I’m sorry. Most of us consider the canon to have ended with reach.
@@elyastoohey6621 I liked the books leading up to halo 4 just didn't want any of that stuff in my games. It's interesting but they should leave it tf out.
@@elyastoohey6621 Oh no 🙊 a franchise is expanding its backstory , how awful
Traditionalist halo fans be denying half of the halo lore 💀. Like- you can hate the 343 all you want but you gotta admit that the expanded lore are good enough to be canon
who sees space dust and just says imma feed that to my pet
They became our allies because they knew we were ICONIC enough
Wait can you explain this one
FroztiProductions well remember what the covenant called the index. They called it the sacred icon. That in itself should be explanatory enough. If you really pay attention to this then you can see how iconic humanity really is.
@@theoneandonlymsg991 That's what I thought. I'd just woken up and got an ad on this video for a clothing line called ICONIC and thought there was some meta shit going on.
Emilia fart is the most iconic
It's such an ICONIC alliance.
Because we can overpower them with hand sanitizer and soap
r/wooosh
CPU Purple Heart/Neptune you can still kill certain parasites that way.
But what about that last 0.01%
Saeid Radder EXACTLY
TDJK Hazard Your Right!
The Flood is huge when it comes to this game. Halo 3 bring so many memories back; I played this game so much. Halo in general is my childhood game. And thanks to you, ive reawoken my love for this series. Makes me want to cry when i hear the theme songs
AwesomeKittyZombie same..I even t-pose while listening to it in school lmao
Your not alone brother. Ahh the nostalgia.. now if only 343 studios never took over and fucked everything up. With the exception of the combat evolved remaster every halo game they touched has been tainted. The mantle of responsibility is not safe in their hands...
Halo 2 was better
It was the graveminds torture of cortana in halo 3 that led to her actions in halo 5. She was barely holding herself together in halo 4 against her rampancy and I think that when she was saved by landing in the library which is precursor in origin didn't keep her sane just worsened the bits of the logic virus left in her system. I mean compare her intent to the floods. The flood wants to subsume all sentient life to create a perfect form of life where all things fit. Cortana acted to make all life submit to the rule of an iron fist ending all wars. The methods are different but the end result is the subjugation of all life in the galaxy.
Bruh, wanting to subjugate the galaxy does not necessarily mean that she got corrupted by the flood. Thats really just what happens when you have an all powerful AI go rampant. The flood only had a short return in halo wars 2. Awakening the nightmare was just a dlc spinoff and nothing more.
@@miniaturejayhawk8702 I'll admit to lack information coming from outside the games so if there is precedent for rampant AI's trying to rule the galaxy with an iron fist I don't know about it. What does halo wars 2 have to do about what I was saying? Genuinely curious as I haven't played either halo wars game
.........fuck, man......that's deep.
Cortana turning evil was just goofy
@@qualicumjack3906 Glad someone said it
*A plot twist to end all plot twists*
Hey man I like ur videos
But it actually was not a plot twist all along, it was instead a plot untwist!
@@darkspartan1573 appreciate it
Then comes a twist to end a twist that's about to untwist every plots that that other plot's gonna twist but it didn't
The real twist, the flood are so smart, they legalized marijuana eons ago and are just super duper hungry B) jokes aside, they are legit too smart, death by suicide before death by flood.
I never really struggled to understand why the Gravemind sided with the Allies. In fact I asked a friend why the Flood might do that and he has barely any knowledge of the games or their lore. I really don't see why it would continue to be such a mystery to anyone after they saw that scene.
That said, very fascinating video nonetheless, and I definitely agree on the Flood's true horror being their intelligence.
Though I'd say a secondary horror of theirs would be their willingness to immediately turn on us. They knew the primary failsafe for the Rings was now in their hands, and that no human would willingly travel to the Rings to activate them. Their ultimate goal was always to prevent them being fired, and I wouldn't be surprised if they slaughtered Johnson and Miranda without mercy if the Flood got to the controls before Johnson activated them.
They never "allied" with Humanity, they simply used us to further their own goals.
Anqry Using someone else for your own goals is essentially the definition of allies. At least in history
Communist trash
Anqry They just happens to have the SAME goals as everyone else. SURVIVAL. The rings were going To kill everyone
@@personperson8563 True, but usually "quid pro quo" comes into effect here, people realised the value of their allies in getting things done, so keep them around and occasionally help them in return.
In this case, the Humans will ALWAYS be valuable to the Flood as they possess the means to activate Forerunner tech and, if necessary, deactivate the Rings. A Forerunner could fulfil this role but I seriously doubt the Forerunners would ever side with the Flood. So the Humans are extremely invaluable to the Flood. Not to mention the theory about the Flood being Precursors, and Humanity being the intended holders of the Mantle...
@@cplpetergriffin1583 Fair point, but then again so did the Elites and Humanity, to stop the Rings and the Covenant's extermination of both of their species...
The thing I find odd is that the Flood have an indefinite use for Humanity to activate/disable Forerunner tech and is a Hivemind who shouldn't need to argue amongst themselves, while the Elites are much more powerful than us and half of them hated Humanity to begin with...
Yet its the Elites who sided with us post-war and the Flood who betrayed us as soon as our IMMEDIATE use to them was gone. I find it very odd because you would think the Flood has a better idea of the long-game... what is it about Humanity that makes them want to remove us despite our use?
Friends: *farts
Me: "I've smelt that stench before..."
Must’ve been a pretty bad fart if it took two of the Shipmaster’s jaws off.
Comparing the Flood to the Zerg (My personal favorite hive-mind species), I think you definitely have a point. The Zerg didn't reach their full potential until they came under the dominion of a new, more intelligent ruler. The Zerg Overmind relied on brute force and overwhelming numbers to conquer worlds, but it was predictable and easily manipulated or outmaneuvered. It never gave a single thought to diplomacy, and pursued its goals with single-minded determination, always taking the most direct approach, and that proved to be its downfall. But the Queen of Blades was much smarter; she could negotiate and form alliances, she could use deception to further her goals, and her unpredictable stratagems allowed her to succeed where the Overmind failed, humiliating all of the major powers of the galaxy at one point, and ultimately ensuring the survival of her species in the face of an even greater threat.
You can not compare them. The Zerg are not an abomination. The Flood are.
@@Tommybotham the zerg totally are. They are not natural to nature
@@someguy4844 Wtf are you saying? Did you play the games? The birthplace of the Zerg is Zera. The only difference between those born on Zera and those in the Swarm is the concept of Hivemind - which essentially was broken once Kerrigan cleansed herself of Amon's corruption and reformed herself in the birth pools of Zera. Zerg are natural. The Flood are not.
@@Tommybotham Amon personally transformed the Primal Zerg for his own benefits (stated by Zeratul). The Primal Zerg on Zera is 100% natural beings but the Zerg themselves definitely isn't natural in their origin at all.
They are very similar, as well as Xenomorphs. It’s no coincidence. Space aliens. Love Kerrigan
When i got my first ever $20, I went to the circuit city with my mother to get a video game(This had to be like 2007). I went through all the games and came across Halo:Combat Evolved. I thought it was a newer game, because it cost me my whole 20, plus it had the :combat evolved in it, so it must be newer. I ended up playing it really badly and for a really long time every night. The first time I ever came across the flood, it was late at night, everyone was gone at a party or something. I remember how scared I was and how I knew there was no way I could win, there were way too many flood.
Pretty badly written, but I always remember this when talking about the flood. It's one of my favorite moments in my gaming history, because I was so engulfed in the story and gameplay. Sadly, as an adult, this doesn't happen anymore.
Chris Legaspi Guess what? The flood aren’t even from The Milky Way Galaxy. They are Galactic Foreigners/Galactic invaders. They arrived here from outside our Galaxy from somewhere else and then wreaked havoc on the ancient human San Shayum Empire during the Human Forerunner Flood War.
And guess what? Our closest Galactic Neighbor is The Andromeda Galaxy. And if the Flood are abundant enough to “leak” out of that galaxy and find jts way into our Milky Way Galaxy than that tells you Andromeda the Galaxy itself is a ancient Flood Infested staving ground for dispersal to other galaxies which is how it managed to arrive here all that time ago. So far in the Halo story, we’ve only dealt with a tiny sample of who knows how extensive the Flood have spread throughout the universe killing life wherever it succeeded.
And let’s not forget, The Primordial is a gravemind composed of infected absorbed biomass it acquired during its initial campaign against the Milky Way Galaxy. At some point, it absorbed a Precursor which gave the Protogravemind extensive knowledge on the Milky Way Galaxy giving it a huge leg up against the Ancient Human Empire it would eventually discover and the Forerunner Empire That was created from the Precursor Race that the Protogravemind just absorbed victim a victim from.
Have you ever asked yourself, how did the Primordial arrive in the Milky Way?
How about a more dangerous question, where did the Primordial consume his biomass to become the gravemind he was when he was first discovered by natives of the Milky Way after arriving from whatever other Galaxy his Flood minions haul from?
Are the species that became his biomass, species that he consumed from Andromeda prior to arriving in the Milky Way
And don’t forget the Flood’s nickname:
“The Anthesis of life”
Just think about that.
According to this video, the flood are not only powerful enough to scare Forerunners into firing rings, but they are also intelligent enough to understand, “The enemy of my enemy is my friend” and use it shamelessly.
Essentially the flood are capable of learning via the victims they consume.
Also, one thing I want to say is I think I can reverse derive what the Primordial told and didn’t tell The Ancient San Shayum Human Empire. They asked The Primordial about how to defeat the flood. Aka a flood centered question. That’s a very important detail. This is just my theory but we know that the Flood came from outside the galaxy. Most likely via Parsimony, they arrived from our Galactic Neighbor Andromeda. Fact is that Flood or flood spores arrived in Our Milky Way and the flood began doing what the flood does aka consuming any life it found. But what I believe the Primordial didn’t tell the humans is that at some point during the initial Flood’s rampage, a member of the Precursor race was infected and naturally as people know, the flood consciousness absorbed the consciousness and critically vital extensive knowledge of this absorbed precursor into itself and the flood decided that the infected precursor was chosen as the biomass base of the very first MILKY WAY NATIVE GRAVEMIND, NOT the first Gravemind ever, ONLY the first Milky Way NATIVE Gravemind. That is key information. Thus this Native Gravemind acquires the name of the Primordial and with the Flood being the perfect decoy, The Primordial took to the sidelines to focus on acquiring even more knowledge and as strategic survival for the survival of its Milky Way Flood campaign.
With the Precursors eradicated and the enemy of the Precursors the Forerunners living peacefully for a time, The flood were stopped as we know.
The absorbed Precursor within the Gravemind we call the Primordial wanted revenge for the destruction of the Precursor Race it once belonged to and the Primordial itself as a whole wanted revenge against the Forerunners for defeating the flood at one time. (This is why we learn eventually that the Primordial and the Precursor within itself both had beef with the Forerunners).
THEREFORE: (Fact: When Flood arrived again in the ancient Forerunner era for a second time, Things got desperate as we know)
but this time the Flood was ready to win for sure that time because it had access to its Native Gravemind’s knowledge from all the previous attempts so during this second campaign of the Flood, they had the upper hand.
Getting back to the original question: When the humans ask The Primordial how to defeat the Flood, it makes sense that the Primordial didn’t disclose much information about its own identity as the actual center or HQ of the initial Flood threat at that time. Instead, the intelligent Primordial chose to eliminate two birds with one stone by telling the truth about the Flood (without mentioning itself) and giving just enough “help” aka the lie that was the self consuming “cure” (That later the Forerunners would try to recreate in their desperation but fail BECAUSE it was a lie) so the humans could use it against the flood.
Of course the humans lost as was the plan of the Primordial. And of course the Forerunners were wasting time trying to recreate it thus buying the Primordial’s second campaign of Flood time to get ahead on the war against the Forerunners which it did as a fact.
Sadly the Primordial was sentenced to age death by the Didact (I’m not sure which one) for its crimes after the Primordial disclosed enough truth (during its sentencing and court hearing while in detainment) that it wanted revenge against the Forerunners for turning against The Creators of the Forerunners aka The Precursor Race itself (and also revenge against defeating the Flood’s first attempt at consuming the whole Milky Way Galaxy).
Age death being a machine capable of fast forwarding time so that a victim aged right before your eyes as punishment for crimes committed. Even the Primordial’s bones turned to dust if I remember correctly.
But the fact remains people, that our nearest galactic neighbor is Andromeda and that The Primordial confirmed the flood arrived from outside our Galaxy AND that the Forerunners who survived the Rings fled the Milky Way as self imposed exile/punishment for using the rings in the first place.
Here’s a viable true possibility question:
Did the Forerunners go to Andromeda?
Or an even better speculative question:
Is Andromeda the Flood brimming first galaxy that the Flood originated from?
Here’s the penultimate question: more likely, is Andromeda just another entire galaxy that fell to the Flood like perhaps countless other galaxies being that The Milky Way might be the very first galaxy that the Flood have actually failed to consume?
Or the ultimate question: ... never mind. I’ll save that for later.
Final thoughts: Focusing obsessively on the nature of Logic Plague which is very similar to what Satan did to Eve in the Garden of Eden, If there was a ranking of factions that genuinely understand the two phrases, “The Pen is mightier than the sword” and “knowledge is power” which are essential for Logic Plague to be effective, it would look like this:
1. The Flood (Primordial included)
2. The Precursors
3. The Ancient Human San Shayum Empire
4. The Forerunners
5. The UNSC
6. The Covenant (Delusional AF)
7. The Banished (Only care of themselves)
8. The Human Rebel Front (ignorance is bliss)
Catalyst - D B thank you for this knowledge
The Leaf You’re welcome
@@TheLeafgoogle But, most of what he said is wrong
@@DylanBegazo ok i wont read this whole thing
Forerunner: We'll send Mendicant Bias, one of our most powerfu andl trusted AI to interrogated the enemy so we'll find a solution
Mendicant Bias: *switch team
Mendicant Bias: I never really was on your side...
The Italy of the halo universe
"Pen is mightier then the sword" yet he who wields the sword controls the pen
Clearly they never encountered semi automatic weapons.
The pen needs no stamina
The gun gets right to the point
@@Trubbsy
The pen aims the gun
@@Agbahizzal Before the pen can do anything, the gun has already fired
"Why the Flood becoming our ally in Halo 3 exposes their true horror" When I saw that title, I was thinking exactly what the answer would be; The Flood is capable of clever tactics and will manipulate whoever in order to advance their own conquest for superiority... Except they don't think of themselves as evil, but rather as necessary. They think of themselves as a means of evolution, of unity. And considering how ONI will do anything in its power to keep aliens as weak as our relation to them, they kind of have a point. If we're willing to hurt aliens that have made a noted effort to stop attacking us, than who are we to judge them for trying to stop us from fighting? Granted, they are eldritch abominations capable of torment beyond comprehension, but the horrible things they say just might be true, which is the real tragedy...
I guess a universe completely under the control of the Flood would be truly peaceful, and perfect in its unity.
@@GrayCatbird1 it would starve eventually, no?
@@delaney6413 theoretically no. With the intelligence of several Keyminds networked together they potentially have all the knowledge of everything they've consumed, including a strategy the Flood has already used before: The Tactical Retreat. It's entirely likely the Flood will allow itself to appear defeated just to wait for whatever survivors remain to repopulate and start the consumption again, and they could do it in repetitive cycles theoretically forever if they take whatever technology reseeds the galaxy after a Halo Array detonation. Let's also not forget that the Flood are the Precursors who are transcendent beings capable of interdimensional travel. If the Flood grows powerful enough they could in theory break into other dimensions and consume every reality.
@Thunder Life that's what I said. It could consume and retreat theoretically forever. Farming biomass every like 50,000 years or whatever.
@@sorrenblitz805 that's mass effect..
Flood > Prometheans
Facts, but you have no idea how much I want them both in a game together so we can finally see the Prometheans do what they were created to do - destroy the parasite
@@HiddenXperia That would be awesome ! But i honestly enjoyed more fighting against flood. But see Prometheans fight against flood... My god I hope that will happen
Flood= big gay
Let's hope that happens in Halo Infinite. It would make sense if Bias is on the same ring as the game
@Cosmic Rift HERETIC
I remember 343 Guilty Spark casually states in the campaign of Halo CE "Your environment suit will serve you well when the Flood begin to alter the atmosphere - you are a good planner!" That shocked me a lot more than allying with the flood in Halo 3. You can kill the flood but when the air itself turns against you, what do you do then? Horrifying.
THE INFECTIOUS POPCORN HAVE ALLIED WITH US!
I always thought they looked more like... Actually, let's not finish that sentence.
...But before the graphical update I can say I always thought the Gravemind In Halo 2 looked like Audrey II...
@@Cekseiro Feed me Seymour...
@@OneofZikarto Feed me all night looong...
GAEM Stuff I see that you have seen that animation too.
NO MORE HAND SANITIZER!!
I never expected to fight alongside the flood. Man it felt weird actually wanting your enemies to be infected and having the pure forms on your side
My first reaction to the flood was hands down one of the best since i was so little and accidentally pressed “A” and skipped the scene, after i gained control back ehitiut knowing what was comming next i felt confused and wondered what the big red dot in my radar was and oh man i FREAKED OUT and imidiately paused and i thought there was something wrong with the game since there was nothing about it in the guide book and the disk box, soo far this is the best freakout i habe ever had
Halo 2 Jackal Sniper > The Entire Flood Army
Entire Flood Army: Hold my popcorn
@@cobyfield9237 Jackal Sniper:
Hold the remains of this guy's head for me please? Thanks
>proceeds to aimbot someone's head off
Lord Cornbread don't worry sniper Flood are inbound aka ranged forms.
H3 jackal snipers were no joke either. You ran into them during the first mission. I remember playing legendary for the first time, reaching that bit with the jackals acrossed the river and up in the trees.
Mean head shots the second you get into their range. This was the first true test on Halo 3s legendary campaign
That panicking feeling when a Jackal missed you but you know he will hit you
Do you have a video going into what the Primordial revealed to the ancient humans that was so terrible they killed themselves? That’s some hardcore Lovecraftian stuff and now I want to know it even if the consequences are...extreme...
It probably told them fortnite was a good game
"Halo 5: Guardians is the best in the series by _Far_ "
Yea that’s something that you’d expect to see in warhammer
It told them what the Flood were, what they did, and why. That was why they killed themselves. That was all it took.
He doesnt know. If he did he would be dead
8:28
And one micro detail, Cortana's markings are blank until hearing John's voice, which makes her markings run with hope.
The primordial probably told the humans that fortnite was a good game
No fallout 76 is a good game
Isabelle I got banned from 76 so now I’m back to playing h5 lol
Hahahaha
Probably yeah
That's a fate worse than death
Honestly if you think halo 3 campaign was bad then you're probably the person saying Halo 4 and 5 were good games
4 and 5 were alright, but they lost the charm that made Halo what it was. They also oversimplified the Covenant enemies to the point where they were not very unique anymore. Finally, they lost the sense of humor that Bungie always snuck into the game all over the place.
The only thing H3 did wrong, was get rid of split screens.. Oh wait nvm H3 is perfect
you should watch the original halo 3 review from ign, the guy basically says the campaign sucks, and the game could have been shipped multiplayer only. what. the. fuck.
Even though I like all halos, your right
H2 above all tho
My brother*walks in room*
Me: That stench I've smelled it before
My favorite thing in terms of gameplayy mechanics is that WHENEVER you are engaging the flood, you are engaging Gravemind.
Every time you fight the flood, it is part of the extended boss battle against gravemind
Okay, so the Flood just followed the basics of Sun Tzu's Art of War: enemy of my enemy is my friend.
It's so interesting how the flood is able to manipulate other beings by simply explaining it's purpose to them
Hey yo the forerunners tried to commit genocide so we want revenge and we're going to unite every living being in the universe into a hivemimd
Bro I’m high or Cortana actually has a very developed arc and halo 4/5 just ruined it for me
sparkypinball I think they can salvage Cortana If in Halo infinite she has the logic plague
4 was really good imo, 5 definitely ruined her character.
Cortana in Halo 4 was great. Halo 5 ruined her
Like the two others in this comment chain, It was all good up until Halo 5.
@@themechanicalvee5244 hey maybe they can pull a dragonball gt and make most of halo 5 not cannon and the beginning of infinite can be a "flashback" to the event of halo 5 they want to be canon
I just binge watched the entirety of the halo trio’s cutscenes and story for HOURS so now I am a certified big brain for halo lore
Now you gotta read the books hah
…I forgot about those…. AHHHHHHH
I figured you'd go at this from a different direction. To me, the real horror laid bare by that scene is more of a philosophical implication, also summed up by the great CE line "Halo doesn't kill the Flood, it kills their *food* ". All throughout the trilogy, the thing you're primarily fighting for is literally Humanity's survival by preventing the activation of Halos. And here as in Halo 2, the Flood are all too happy to assist, and why wouldn't they be? Until the Flood achieve total victory, you could sort of see them as being in a parasitic relationship with life, for the Flood to survive life must continue, and as long as life continues the flood can survive. I wouldn't expect this sort of examination from an action game (which on all levels operate on a philosophy of "kill the people trying to kill you until they succeed"), but in that moment of the Flood helping you to stop the Array from firing, you can truly understand why the Forerunners felt they had to fire it in the first place. I'd argue death by Halo Array is preferable to death by Flood.
So the Horror comes from the understanding that the gravemind didn't ally with you because of a mutal fear of death, but because of a self centered fear of starving.
I'm allying with you not because we'll both die if we do not stop this madman. No. I'm allying with you because if you die. I can't eat you.
Wow...
Pure, unfailing, Logic.
The flood is an O.I.
Self correcting, chained to its needs for food as an A.I would be to power, this organic intelligence is capable of anything.
This is what the video should have been about.
I wonder though, let's say the flood manage to finally succeed and take over the whole universe. What would happen? We can see that they clearly don't want to be wiped out, but they also want to infect and eat all life, so were they to do it, what would happen? Would they keep certain races or organisms alive for food, sort of like farming, or would they starve and be okay with it because their goal was completed? Fascinating tbh
@@Beanpolr
I'd like an answer to that one
It’s good to know that a parasite is smarter than me....
Dwade Miami version a grunt is smarter than you
Wow
InstantChildBirth a grunt is smarter than anyone don’t underestimate them
@@iamaspaceman8533 *"Do humans lay eggs Or the other? Actually, I don't know."*
-some grunt
All life in the galaxy are made by micro organisms.
humans: Bring out the pesticide
flood has left server
forerunners entered spectator mood
I’d say that when the Flood retreated from their war on Ancient Humanity just to make the Forerunners think the Humans were attacking them is what truly makes them terrifying..
halo 3 videos in 2019? im so proud of this ocmmunity
*ahh, yes*
*_ocmmunity_*
If the flood is so powerful and terrifying how can 1 guy on steroids essentially defeat them
Good steroids bro
Because master Chief is nether human nore a AI he's both and none at the same time. Master Chief is a machine but not intelligent just determined to do his shit. Infecting a person who is nothing more then a killing machine with only one job to defend humanity achieves nothing. When the gravemind grabed master chief, it said: this one is like a machine determined and cannot be swayed (manipulated) .
It helps that Chief's suit causes Infection Forms to explode on contact with him. If it weren't for that, odds are he'd be just as easily infected as a standard marine.
Dvtto bartol He is still a human. Just a super soldier engineered and genetically modified for war. He is clearly intelligent, else he would’ve died long ago.
@@gabriellowe9929 everyone keeps forgetting his disgustingly potent good luck . . . which is the entire reason he was used for the spartan program to begin with
*Halo Infinite Christmas List:*
-Flood permanent return (either through Ark release, or Forerunner labs on Zeta Halo)
-Banished Cameo
-Classic Artstyle return
-Usable Energy Shields from Jackals
-Good story
-Good multiplayer
-PC Release (Highest Priority Target)
-Arby Chief chemistry reunion
-New Cortana Chemistry
-Reasonable setup for next game
-More expansion on lore with terminals and dialogue
As much as I want a PC release, I don't think it's gonna happen
@@mr.b89 What are you talking about? It's already been announced??? www.polygon.com/e3/2018/6/10/17446944/halo-infinite-pc-windows-master-chief
honestly, my highest priority target is a good story. With a good story a lot of the items on this list would be checked off as well anyway. I just need a good story again. While I didn't hate Halo 5 as much as most people did, it still had a lot of problems that absolutely have to be addressed. I am not worried about multiplayer because 343 has really shown that they are willing to listen to their fans, but it's hard for them to tweek a story based on fan feedback. Here's to hoping.
@@sgtcoffman HOLY FUCK
@@mr.b89 I gotchu boo
This mission gives me nostalgia of me being like 10 from when I first played Halo, which was Halo 3 with this being the most memorable mission.
What makes an enemy scary for me is their intelligence. Its frightening because it shows how competent they are and that for all you know they are just playing you like a puppet the entire time. Pair that with the properties of the flood and you got yourself an extremely deadly foe. This makes the flood one of the most terrifying and greatest villian in video games objectivity.
*YOU ARE FOOD, NOTHING MORE.*
Are you sure *you* don't have the logic plague?
What are you talking about he Couldn’t pOssilbly be Really tuRned to the flood the very thought is Unthinkable Please donT say that again EDucate your self more
No he is a gravemind because-oh hold on the ONI agents are back *gunshots in the background* now where were we?
Sprit Crenbry look at the uppercase letters
Jameson Dymond
Way ahead on that
I actually can’t tell if he’s saying “Foreigner” or “Forerunner”
Backspace first
No one even replies to me so thanks.
Backspace ur welcome
Backspace could we play sometime on pc Xbox or phone sometime
HaloGamer I have Xbox
"What is it, more brutes?"
This line broke immersion with me. I felt that the arbiter had just as much if not more experience in this area than chief. Made him seem less like another badass and more like a sidekick.
lmao if that's what broke your immersion i have a bridge to sell you.
DO NOT SHOOT but listen let me lead you safely to our foe only you can stop what he has set in motion
"gets backstabbed 5 minutes later" We trade one villain for another.
Still shoot him on impulse
@@bulbasaur1534 lol
"Yeah fuck you too" *shoots*
I'm going to buy this game today along with OSDT. Thanks for the memories!!
How was it?
I remember that mission it was so fun to fight with the flood. The swarming of the flood is brilliant and you see more of the textures. It is so fun
5:33 halo did it before bird box
H p Lovecraft did it before halo
@@chrisrolnaldo1221 some gay writer from the 15 century probably did it before lovercraft
@@mistywww3199 I mean folk tales from the bc era probably did it before anyone else but I was just referencing who we call the grandfather of the genre
The part that stuck with me was in Halo 1 when chief was first encountering the flood.. and how the Master Chief showed that he was scared shitless in the cinematic at the door. That was the first time you ever saw chief show signs he himself didn't want to be there.
Primordial: "your mom gay"
AI: *kills forerunners
I remember my initial reaction was not understanding what happened so I just tried to kill the flood and realised they were friendly, and then started slowly walking past them expecting them to fight me as soon as I turned around, then when I played through to the point they go back to enemy I was like I KNEW IT
*Only you can prevent wildfires, I mean, stop what he has put in motion*
"It's parasitic nature belies it's intelligence" -Guilty Spark
You know those giant like, bio-mass world ending creatures? Let’s just like save their ass with our own. Nothing could go wrong here.
I know rite? don't forget to kill some covies and let the flood take the corpses too. After all...
Flood need to eat too. lol
“Our job as soldiers is to protect humanity, whatever the cost.”
That line always justified it to me. Chief has always been someone to fight whatever is needed. He didn’t consult Hood or anyone. Just did it. He saw that was the only way humanity survives and just went with it.
Besides, if the rings go off, they’re annihilation is certain. If they fight the flood, there’s a chance they’ll win.
Chief and Arbiter can't afford to waste time fighting the Flood or think it over, they have to get to the control room immediately at all costs, and I'm sure at that moment they were probably a bit astonished the Flood can choose not to attack them.
Soviet who Cuts sure they did. The Gravemind talked to chief thoughtout Halo 3 and Arbiter had seen the Gravemind in Halo 2, so while he may not have known the flood was in the coordinated stage, it being intelligent wouldn’t have been too shocking.
But we have so much in common like: not wanting to die and.... Okay so that's the only thing we have in common, but for a five minute truce its plenty.
I got the master chief collection just to replay and these videos are making it so much better for me thank you
Graveminds hate him!
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The cut scene with the Gravemind literally explains this. He needs the Arbiter and Chiefs help. “You will look in one area, and you will look in another”. It’s only when the flood tanks show up that really sets the last stone in place for it. The Gravemind was using them to stop his own destruction. Once he used them, it was back to being enemies so he can grow stronger.
this could perfectly explain why cortana was so twisted and different in H5, she could have had a delayed reaction to the logic plague
Anyone else take the time to "clean up" before the cuts scene, breaking infected bodies and pushing uninfected bodies over the edge because you just *knew* you were going to go back to fighting the flood again.
"Pretty smart, eh? Well i yet have to meet someone who can outsmart a bullet."
- Master "pootis" Chief -
0:39 the infection form looks like a little cheering army equipped with little pom poms lol
Yeah
This was a great game I forget how long ago it came out I’m suprised at how well the story and campaign still keeps up to games today
Considering how truly intelligent The Flood is by the events of Halo 3, this reminds me of Lucifer in The Prophecy (1995) played by Viggo Mortensen. He forms an alliance with humans just to stop Gabriel’s plan of creating a second Hell. Mind you, Lucifer didn’t become “good” because of a change of heart. Rather he didn’t want the extra competition. That’s the same exact idea the Gravemind is achieving with Arbiter and Chief. The enemy of his enemy is his friend even if only for the moment.
It’s interesting knowing the flood are are mutated precursors, and despite its horrific nature, it’s primary goal is to prepare humanity for the mantle of responsibility.
Master chief calls the flood biggay and all the flood disappear instantly
But what if the flood says "No u"?
@@spartanwar1185 then he just pulls out the reverse card
@@thatoneguy7495 That is a reference to Arby 'n' the Chief, Something you wouldn't understand.
To think of that , I find it funnier that forreruners were defeated by space version of Athletes foot
Also, one thing that just popped into my head. The grave mind LAUGHED when he turned back on chief and arby. The flood isn't just a mindless swarm trying to consume all life like the Tyranids or Zerg, it's an intelligent spiteful intelligence that is killing and consuming for the sake of it. It is a creature capable of actually being evil
flood: the pen is mightier than the sword.
Me: builds a planet sized pen.
Flood: you weren't supposed to that
🤣
That level has the best shot on the game hands down. When the Gravemind turns on us, John and Thel stand back to back with AR and sword drawn. Perfect
Their introduction in Halo does a really great job of demonstrating just how intelligent the Flood actually are.
When you first encounter them they're just mindless blobs that throw themselves at you in an attempt to infect you. Then a room later they're possessing humanoid hosts and learning to mob you and use their limbs. Then just a couple of rooms later they've started learning how to operate human firearms and engage in firefights with Chief. Towards the end of the level they wait for you to enter a ravine then immediately ambush you from either side up above whilst firing down on you.
They speedrun the entire history of human military intelligence in a single level.
I still killed the flood during the level I don't care I still did it
Donovan Keeney me too, but not the first time, even though I knew it was coming.
“Remember the old saying? The enemy of my enemy is my friend”
I would absolutely love it if i saw a primordial standing atop a huge mountain in halo infinite. The sheer magnitude of that encounter would send shivers down my spine, yet leave me curious as to what it plans to do.
As i approach the forerunner structure, i watch as the blue light is shot into the sky. I follow it's path only for the primordial to be found, yet it dissappears as soon as I make eye contact. Master Chief walks into the forerunner structure, confused but alert as the door behind him closes. He looks around.....the lights turn on....and he sees pods of covenant, humans, and the minds of AI stored in different containers. He approchaes one pod....the jar says "Cortana". Medicant Bias finds itself behind the Chief, and for the first time the Chief is unaware of this presence. The AI begins talking. "Reclaimer, your presence is oddly amusing" The Chief turns around "How you were created, fortifies the importance of evolutionary prowess" The Chief is backing up but hits the container that he was previously looking at. "Yet despite your inevitable conflict within the other....creations....you are left lost within the confounds of your own mind......your companion....fellow AI" Chief quickly looks at Cortanas pod. "Your species...and all those that roam....are great culminations of knowledge." A primordial steps in from behind medicant bias revealing it holding the AI in its hand "And our exchange will be....most satisfying to see what lies behind the mind of the reclaimer. Your flesh, place it in my palm" Chief points his gun but is outnumbered by an infinite amount of flood and corrupted sentinals. He looks for a path out but sees no such opportunity. Suddenly a plasma rifle is fired and multiple grenades are thrown, the primordial is no longer there as it dissappears. The flood speciman standing in front of the Chief is impaled by an energy sword as the body falls revealing The Arbiter. They look at each other as the Arbiter says "We must go, the flood have our scent"
And as the cutscene ends the screen splits into 2 as both u and ur friend play as arby'n chief reunited at last
@@thornyduck8367 Damn straight. And as you go through those doors again, you and the arbiter now encounter a vast semi openworld, a new vehicle is there, and your objective is 1000 meters away. Your friends gets on the turrent, you in the driver seat as the music kicks in.
N U T
Yes to all of that. LET'S MAKE IT HAPPEN 343 this is GOLD right here lol.
I absolutely love this idea. Only one problem. The Primordial is dead. His consciousness is the same as the Gravemind. So it would have to be a Gravemind not the Primordial
This is why i loved Halo 3 soo much, the amount of huge events such as both you and the flood using each other to kill the heirarchs but then turning back on each other
“We trade one villain for another”