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There is a small in accuracy at 9:15. The tower of Minas Morgul was not brought down, only the bridge. Later though, when Aragorn was made king, he said that Minas Morgul should be utterly destroyed.
Numenor in the latest years after Sauron corrupted them and they started dragging the faithful up the mountain to be sacrificed to Morgoth in his new evil temple.
All those locations are scary, but we all know scariest place is Sackville-Baggins home, because inside those walls dwells most horrific creature of all, Lobelia Sackville-Baggins.
What makes the horror in Tolkien's works so successful is the fact that Middle-Earth is supposed to be a precursor to our own world. In the Legendarium, the Nameless Things under Moria, Ungoliant's giant spawn, the Dead Marshes, or the remnants of Angband, Utumno, and other cess-pits of darkness like Moria are still out there, somewhere, waiting for the next unsuspecting traveller to fall victim to their terrors
Yep, Tolkien was the original found footage. By making people believe he found these stories, it makes him not just an author, but an adventurer. Maybe HE IS Tom Bombadil 😂
@@EternaResplandiente Religions in Middle-earth? That's something I haven't thought of yet, briliant input. What kind of story are you thinking of, a list or a decent narrative?
@@The.Lore.Seeker Maybe a decent narrative describing how Tolkien used religion in his works and the religions that appear in Middle Earth in the First Age
The Dead Marshes is definitely a scary place, too, surprised it wasn't mentioned. I always wondered if maybe the were-worms mentioned in The Hobbit might be from whispers about these kinds of nameless things. There is also a mention in The Hobbit of "in places deep, where dark things sleep" below the Lonely Mountain, which makes one wonder if that were connected deep underground to Moria also.
@@The.Lore.Seeker..I think you need to start by grabbing a shovel. And find some descendent of, or persin similar to, Dr Frankenstein. Dr Doom comes to mind.
It's amazing how one man created such a world with all the iconic characters and created alphabets for there races, all the individual stories within all the separate ages and to have the imagination to come up with the looks of the amazing creatures within, what a great brain that the world will forever enjoy......
I wish we had a Skyrim or Valheim similar game but in Middle-Earth. It's such a rich world. I remember a lot of fun times exploring it back in LOTRO...
@@BlackOpsProdigy100 It's bad. Skyrim is way better in every way, plus you have mods for Skyrim. A Middle Earth game with that engine would be amazing.
I think Treebeard simply meant the forest was so deep and old, that sunlight couldn't reach the floor. I don't necessarily think it was 'evil'; Fangorn is more of a 'feral' place.
@@guilhermecaiado5384 inspired by yes, I understand that, what I mean is a Fromsoft game set in that world similar to how shadows of Mordor was. Non cannon but respecting the actual lore of the original
Just one video in and this channel is so vastly underrated. Under 7k subs? This is a prime example of a video I would show someone to get them to understand why I describe Tolkien's work as the greatest fiction in history, well done. Instant subscribe.
I would also add Taur-Nu-Fuin to the list, since it is a more extreme version of Minas morgul. Also the witch realm of Angmar and Ered Gorgoroth (the mountains of terror)
I hear his lectures in the classroom would bore even the most devout student into an eternal slumber. But the lore of the world within his mind would awaken the dead from theirs.
One point about the Barrow Downs, it wasn't the spirits of the original dead, those were long gone, but rather possessor spirits from Angmar inhabiting the remains like evil hermit crabs
I think that Dol guldur during the occupation of sauron might be counted as one of the most horrifying places since it was a nazgul outpost and even Gandalf feared to go near during the LOTR and elves of mirkwood were scared going nearby.
Every time I learn more about the history of Middle Earth, I’m reminded that Ungoliant was cosmic horror that only got resolved purely from circumstance. Yikes
Wherever Shelob is, or the other big ass spiders are. Those are the most horrible places. I'll take the dragon, orcs, goblins, almost anything else. Giant f'n spiders, Nope, I'm out 😂
Love the locations, lots of Silmarillion lore here! I listen to the Silmarillion audiobook (Martin Shaw recording) to go to sleep, and it’s wild to hear the stories of ancient Middle Earth not covered by the Lord of the Rings. One thing that I wonder is, how is the Shire still so beautiful and idyllic when it is clearly in the middle of a blighted land, full of dangers and ruins of awful battles? My theory is that the Shire is Gandalf’s stronghold as a bearer of Varya, one of the Elven Rings that defend against darkness, much as Rivendell is Elrond’s as the holder of Nenya and Lothlorien’s is Galadriel as the holder of Vilya. It seems like the Witch King’s influence (as in Minas Morgul) creates awful blight and necromancy, but the Shire remains as a bulwark against it. Yes, the Dunedain keep the Shire physically safe, but don’t forget the awful spirits of the Dead Marshes-the dead continue to exert a presence in Middle Earth. Arnor is the site of a massive, grinding, slow death and descent into necromancy that has inevitably scarred the landscape and its inhabitants. Trollshaws and Ettinmoors are names for places with evil monsters who live there, and even the celebrated mounds of ancient lords have become Barrow Downs. Though the weapons of Westernesse are in the burial vaults, the necromantic energy of the Witch King still remains. How can the Shire remain so untouched by all that evil? Only one of the great powers would be enough to hold all that evil at bay.
Do you have a list of the artists who made the artwork you featured here? I'm interested in trying to purchase some prints, and I'm sure they'd all love the recognition for their awesome work!
Gotta go with Utumno as the most horrifying place in all of middle earth. Morgoths acts in corrupting the elves and creating the race of orc have to be probably the most twisted and disgusting acts in the history of mankind.
I think he was more trying to express how indescribably vast and unknown the tunnels and caverns beneath Middle Earth are by including them in the description, not that they were necessarily OF morgoth. But either way
Not true the nameless things either were beings inhabiting the place where illuvatar sat down and shone his light obnoxiously multiplying into the valar and maia or are a result of morgoth's death metal ballad stint during the song of creation.
Not morgoth, he was present in the song of creation of the ainur. Maybe the nameless things weren't corrupted by him like the orcs, but they are not older. They are maybe older than maiar, but not ainur, only Eru Illuvatar is older than the ainur
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The spiders of Mirkwood must've been the descendants of Ungolianth.
Minas Morgul always fascinated me. The name sounds deathly, and in the movie, that Jade and emerald color had a glow of haunting and wickedness in the sense of black magic and corrupted darkness. We see legions come out, yet we don't see what's inside in the movie. we can certainly see it as a citadel of evil, malevolence, and prevailing horrors. I would recommend the place where Legolas, Aragon, and Gimili went to summon the disgraced army of the dead (who abandoned Gondor) for your list too.
Eru Illuvatar did, at the conclusion of the War Of Wrath. The entire Continent (the land itself) was so corrupted by Morgoth's magics that he decided to rend it completely asunder. It was 'unsavable'.
I love the various art work shown through out the video but I really love differences in style when it comes to Melkor/Morgoth and Ungoliant and how different people interpret them. There's one art showing him as a beautiful man, one where he's some great horned armoured king, and another where he's this creepy shadow monster. There are others but the style of those that stick out to me. 0:55 1:03 1:10 For each piece.
The Balrog destroyed the ORIGINAL inhabitants of Moria, Durin's folk, hence why it's known as 'Durin's Bane'. But yes, the Orcs got Balin and his party.
I think the oceans and rivers are generally considered peaceful outside of storms. That is Ulmo’s sphere of influence and he is seen as the third strongest Ainur after Morgoth and Manwe, possibly being on par or even surpassing Manwe. I don’t think he would tolerate any of Morgoth’s evil to freely wander his territory. The stagnant water on land or underground rivers and lakes are a different story though.
10:57 Do you have a source for the size of Utumnos caverns? It was always my head-canon that Durin's Bane fled underground, because I always imagined the tunnels of Utumno being connected to other deep caverns - a beautifully eerie thought. I'd just like to know if there is definite proof somewhere.
I’m surprised you didn’t mention eoywn and her pot of stew. Legend says the men of Rohan and Gondor can never forget the unspeakable horrors they suffered, the taste so horrible it turns you taste buds to ash and a smell so putrid it blocks the air from your lungs. It is said that Aragorn can still hear the urges of eoywn to eat the stew to this day
This is what I have to watch to recover from politics and the disaster of a presidential debate the other night. Un-subbing from all the political channels. Yikes, back to LoTR.
And Kamala is just as bad, possibly even worse. We’re all screwed either way. Got to have the Bilbo Baggins mindset. Enjoy home, your Tolkien books, and the non-stressful things in life. Tolkien/LOTR will always be the perfect escape.
Hmmm, I DON'T think anything on Arda is as malignant as Utumno, a place that even makes Angband seem reasonable! You hit No. 1 with it; kudos, as many overlook it. But there are others you could cover, in future vids maybe? 😉
Honorable mention for the Withered Heath, in the grey wastes of the north, "where the great dragons bred." Smaug was the last great dragon of Middle Earth, but looking at the quote by Gandalf: 'there is not now any dragon left on earth in which the old fire is hot enough'. That's no maybe. That's a direct statement that gives us 2 points: Dragons still exist. Some of these are quite old. Now, given that no reports of dragons come from any listed realms, the Withered Heath is the obvious candidate for just WHERE these beasts reside. So. Any picnic party in the northern wastes would be made into supper.
i disagree with minas morgul. it wasnt that bad. yes you couldnt go back to it because of the Poisson and stuff. But the Nazgul's aren't THAT terrifying. In fact, they lose every single fight i've seen.
I wouldn't put some of these places, like Angband, Lamoth, and whatever remained of Utumno, in a video about Middle-earth. As someone said, we don't know if the nameless things were a direct creation of Morgoth. After all, Sauron, who probably came to Arda alongside his future master, did not know anything about them. Also, I don't think that Moria can be the most terrifying place in this video. I would probably replace it with Minas Morgul, Mordor, Angband, Utumno, or the Valley of Dreadful Death, AKA Nan Dungortheb, and just move it down.
Well, let's see. The worst would probably be Minas Morgul, then Mordor. I would add the Dead Marshes, the tunnels below Moria, the Barrow-downs, Shelob's Lair, and the Paths of the Dead here. I'm not sure what the order from 3 to 7 will be, though. If we're talking about the legendarium, the worst place is Nan Dungortheb, then Angband, Avathar (the valley where Morgoth found Ungoliant), Taur-nu-Fuin sounds quite frightening, Lamoth is also quite terrifying. I'd also add the Isle of Werewolves, because that's where Sauron stayed for some time before the isle was healed by Lúthien.
Would be so cool if they made Lord of the rings and you get all the locations or so somewhat and you get all kinds of enemies spiders or trolls and dragons and all kinds of things and you get to create your own character completely your own way to choose and make your own weapons and all this open world free Rome I mean, even once you beat the game because still just go around and kill bunch of enemys whatever
I probably would have added Mirkwood as it had changed from The Greenwood into a horrible place that drove people mad if they wondered in there and got lost
Great video! Although, have to disagree with you about Utumno and Khazad-dûm (Moria). I've read Tolkien for years and haven't seen anything relating to Moria and Utumno, plus Utumno is described being in an icy wasteland on the edge of Arda. The tunnels at the roots of the Misty Mountains were made the "nameless things" and not hewn by Orcs for Melkor. Brilliant video otherwise!
@@The.Lore.SeekerI don't know if the OP is EXACTLY right, Lore Seeker, but their are Metal bands called Amon Amarth, Gorgoroth, Gates Of Utumno, and Carach Angren, and their was a Metal-Fusion band called Ephel Duath. 😉
Morgoth is ainur, ainur sang the song of creation. Only Eru Illuvatar predates ainur. Gandalf speaks about the nameless things predating Sauron, a maiar as himself.
@@The.Lore.Seeker I have just checked in the book and it is true that utumno was up to 1000km big and when u check the map it could possibly reach to moria…but there is not a single note that it is connected to moria. Otherwise Morgoth would have had an easy play to defeat the dwarfs or corrupt them. Beside that is is a very cool video :-)
How come the first dwarves were like dead unable to move the second Aule's attention was shifted elsewhere but Smaug was alive and well even if Morgoth was gone?
They lacked the Flame Imperishable, the divine spark of life that only Eru Ilúvatar could grant. Smaug, however, was a living being and not solely sustained by Morgoth's power; he had his own life force independent of Morgoth's presence.
@@The.Lore.Seeker hold on there! Who made the dragons then?? If only Eru can make true life? Honestly I think it's one of the author loose threads. And I'm more that ok with it. It's not the author business to clean any little text inadvertence just for correctness sake.
@@alexiachimciuc3199 I think it was explained by Tolkien (don't quote me on that). Life can only be created by Eru, Morgoth couldn't do it by himself. So everything that he created started as something else, like orcs started as elves. Therefore I think dragons were created from some other living thing via similar process. I think this sort of thing is even explained in the Silmarillion, that Morgoth was giving away his power to other begins to make them stronger, even to the point where he lost ability to alter his appearance.
@@ArutaretiI yep I remember that. The power and will he put in his twisted creations diminished him to the point where even an elf with a sword, Fingolfin, could harm him.
These places were so powerful and evil....they were all destroyed. I find HEA stories boring and annoying. It was so evil, but fell because good always wins yay! Good can't be appreciated or treasured without evil.
Uruk Hai are sometimes breeding orcs with humans and elves, lots of rap3 and torture involved. Thr third age creatures were way more twisted that the glorious first age ones.
What location from Tolkien's Legendarium do YOU think is most terrifying? Perhaps one that's not on this list? Let me know in the comments!
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You might consider adding the Withered Heath and Dead Marshes in there.
There is a small in accuracy at 9:15. The tower of Minas Morgul was not brought down, only the bridge.
Later though, when Aragorn was made king, he said that Minas Morgul should be utterly destroyed.
Numenor in the latest years after Sauron corrupted them and they started dragging the faithful up the mountain to be sacrificed to Morgoth in his new evil temple.
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Tolkien sure knew how to take arachnophobia to a whole new level of horrifying.
Ngl, and Ungolianth eating herself is the maddest shit ever. What a spooky horrific spider
All those locations are scary, but we all know scariest place is Sackville-Baggins home, because inside those walls dwells most horrific creature of all, Lobelia Sackville-Baggins.
How dare you speak her name! She is the nameless one!
She was caught trying to make off with the silverware once
Amen sir! You good king have won the comments section.
Sackville baggins are kin to those psychopath harfoots. They live where the skies are strange
She-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named
What makes the horror in Tolkien's works so successful is the fact that Middle-Earth is supposed to be a precursor to our own world. In the Legendarium, the Nameless Things under Moria, Ungoliant's giant spawn, the Dead Marshes, or the remnants of Angband, Utumno, and other cess-pits of darkness like Moria are still out there, somewhere, waiting for the next unsuspecting traveller to fall victim to their terrors
Througout all of Tolkien's stories you see link to our own world and history, not to mention religion.
Yep, Tolkien was the original found footage. By making people believe he found these stories, it makes him not just an author, but an adventurer. Maybe HE IS Tom Bombadil 😂
@@The.Lore.Seekercan you make a video about religion in Middle Earth? The Temple of Morgoth in Numenor, the Temple of Eru Illuvatar also in Numenor 😊
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Religions in Middle-earth?
That's something I haven't thought of yet, briliant input. What kind of story are you thinking of, a list or a decent narrative?
@@The.Lore.Seeker Maybe a decent narrative describing how Tolkien used religion in his works and the religions that appear in Middle Earth in the First Age
a cry of fear and horror so great it stil echoes throughout the land thousands of years later is so metal.
The Dead Marshes is definitely a scary place, too, surprised it wasn't mentioned.
I always wondered if maybe the were-worms mentioned in The Hobbit might be from whispers about these kinds of nameless things. There is also a mention in The Hobbit of "in places deep, where dark things sleep" below the Lonely Mountain, which makes one wonder if that were connected deep underground to Moria also.
Tolkien left so many interesting mysteries unraveled. I'd love to pick his brain
@@The.Lore.Seeker..I think you need to start by grabbing a shovel. And find some descendent of, or persin similar to, Dr Frankenstein.
Dr Doom comes to mind.
It's amazing how one man created such a world with all the iconic characters and created alphabets for there races, all the individual stories within all the separate ages and to have the imagination to come up with the looks of the amazing creatures within, what a great brain that the world will forever enjoy......
The world and lore were created to fit the alphabet.
Me still waiting for GRRM to finish winds of winter -_-
I wish we had a Skyrim or Valheim similar game but in Middle-Earth. It's such a rich world. I remember a lot of fun times exploring it back in LOTRO...
You do. It's called Return to Moria! Just released on steam and some consoles i believe. Valheim but in moria
@@BlackOpsProdigy100 It's bad. Skyrim is way better in every way, plus you have mods for Skyrim. A Middle Earth game with that engine would be amazing.
I wanted to know about the deep forest within Fangorn that Treebeard referred to where the Darkness was never Lifted.
Would that be Mirkwood?
@@gtappy1425 no. mirkwood and fangorn are in completely different locations.
I think Treebeard simply meant the forest was so deep and old, that sunlight couldn't reach the floor. I don't necessarily think it was 'evil'; Fangorn is more of a 'feral' place.
@@divinefallfromgrace 'darkness was never lifted' to me sounds like someone corrupted the trees there.
@@hellboyquintex Yes dudo, my words there are only thought, not fact. We'll never really know as so much was unfinished.
Man a Fromsoftware game set in an alternate reality middle earth would be so sick
I always thought that the naming convention for some of the locations in Dark Souls Games sound just like LotR. Anor Londo. Drangleic. Lothric...
All medieval phantasy is inspired in Tolkien's works.
@@guilhermecaiado5384 inspired by yes, I understand that, what I mean is a Fromsoft game set in that world similar to how shadows of Mordor was. Non cannon but respecting the actual lore of the original
Don't give them ideas.
That’s because they both take inspiration from Celtic and gaelic languages. Lots of fantasy worlds do this, like the Witcher.
Just one video in and this channel is so vastly underrated. Under 7k subs? This is a prime example of a video I would show someone to get them to understand why I describe Tolkien's work as the greatest fiction in history, well done. Instant subscribe.
Thanks for the massive compliment!
@@The.Lore.Seeker you're welcome, keep it up brother
I would also add Taur-Nu-Fuin to the list, since it is a more extreme version of Minas morgul. Also the witch realm of Angmar and Ered Gorgoroth (the mountains of terror)
Dol Guldur and the south end of Mirkwood, the Paths of the Dead, the Dead Marshes
Those are Disneyland compared to utumno and angband
@@jakealter5504 True enough, but I wouldn't want to walk across any of them at night, by myself.
@@jakealter5504hell on earth
J.R.R. Tolkien: Mild-mannered professor, father and author. Inventor of being Metal AF.
I hear his lectures in the classroom would bore even the most devout student into an eternal slumber. But the lore of the world within his mind would awaken the dead from theirs.
Yeah xtian racists tend to he pretty metal😅
One point about the Barrow Downs, it wasn't the spirits of the original dead, those were long gone, but rather possessor spirits from Angmar inhabiting the remains like evil hermit crabs
What about Gundabad? Seems like a pretty scary place.
I think that Dol guldur during the occupation of sauron might be counted as one of the most horrifying places since it was a nazgul outpost and even Gandalf feared to go near during the LOTR and elves of mirkwood were scared going nearby.
Every time I learn more about the history of Middle Earth, I’m reminded that Ungoliant was cosmic horror that only got resolved purely from circumstance. Yikes
she is probably the greatest embodiment of all consuming hunger, portrayed in a mortal form most all humans fear. a spider.
Wherever Shelob is, or the other big ass spiders are. Those are the most horrible places. I'll take the dragon, orcs, goblins, almost anything else. Giant f'n spiders, Nope, I'm out 😂
Love the locations, lots of Silmarillion lore here! I listen to the Silmarillion audiobook (Martin Shaw recording) to go to sleep, and it’s wild to hear the stories of ancient Middle Earth not covered by the Lord of the Rings.
One thing that I wonder is, how is the Shire still so beautiful and idyllic when it is clearly in the middle of a blighted land, full of dangers and ruins of awful battles? My theory is that the Shire is Gandalf’s stronghold as a bearer of Varya, one of the Elven Rings that defend against darkness, much as Rivendell is Elrond’s as the holder of Nenya and Lothlorien’s is Galadriel as the holder of Vilya.
It seems like the Witch King’s influence (as in Minas Morgul) creates awful blight and necromancy, but the Shire remains as a bulwark against it. Yes, the Dunedain keep the Shire physically safe, but don’t forget the awful spirits of the Dead Marshes-the dead continue to exert a presence in Middle Earth. Arnor is the site of a massive, grinding, slow death and descent into necromancy that has inevitably scarred the landscape and its inhabitants. Trollshaws and Ettinmoors are names for places with evil monsters who live there, and even the celebrated mounds of ancient lords have become Barrow Downs. Though the weapons of Westernesse are in the burial vaults, the necromantic energy of the Witch King still remains. How can the Shire remain so untouched by all that evil? Only one of the great powers would be enough to hold all that evil at bay.
Tolkien's lore is so metal.
Try Blind Guardian
Hence the band Gorgoroth
The most horrifying, and where I'd want to visit most - Utumno
Do you have a list of the artists who made the artwork you featured here? I'm interested in trying to purchase some prints, and I'm sure they'd all love the recognition for their awesome work!
Gotta go with Utumno as the most horrifying place in all of middle earth. Morgoths acts in corrupting the elves and creating the race of orc have to be probably the most twisted and disgusting acts in the history of mankind.
Nor orcs of elves have nothing to do with mankind.
New Lore channel cool, I'm in! I can always be more well versed! :D
Welcome aboard!
the nameless thing where nothing to do with morgoth, there where there long before him
True
I think he was more trying to express how indescribably vast and unknown the tunnels and caverns beneath Middle Earth are by including them in the description, not that they were necessarily OF morgoth. But either way
Not true the nameless things either were beings inhabiting the place where illuvatar sat down and shone his light obnoxiously multiplying into the valar and maia or are a result of morgoth's death metal ballad stint during the song of creation.
This hurt my brain while reading.
Not morgoth, he was present in the song of creation of the ainur.
Maybe the nameless things weren't corrupted by him like the orcs, but they are not older.
They are maybe older than maiar, but not ainur, only Eru Illuvatar is older than the ainur
The spiders of Mirkwood must've been the descendants of Ungolianth.
All spiders are
They was actually they were the last children of shelob who was the daughter of ungoliant.
I would add Angband into this list too, now that was not a good place to accidentally wander to, during the first age.
Moria could also be placed in a list of the most beautiful locations. Such a depth of history.
Those underwater shots are SO GOOD 👏🏼
Utumno was effectively as close to hell as ever appeared in Middle-earth.
Minas Morgul always fascinated me. The name sounds deathly, and in the movie, that Jade and emerald color had a glow of haunting and wickedness in the sense of black magic and corrupted darkness. We see legions come out, yet we don't see what's inside in the movie. we can certainly see it as a citadel of evil, malevolence, and prevailing horrors.
I would recommend the place where Legolas, Aragon, and Gimili went to summon the disgraced army of the dead (who abandoned Gondor) for your list too.
Utumno for sure.
I read that it was as close to hell as we could imagine.
You deserve alot more subscribers. What a master storyteller you are.
Thank you sir🙏
Thank you 🙏🏻
Enjoy your time here!
3:50 Who decided to sink half a continent...?
Eru Illuvatar did, at the conclusion of the War Of Wrath. The entire Continent (the land itself) was so corrupted by Morgoth's magics that he decided to rend it completely asunder. It was 'unsavable'.
The Black Gates are also terrifying...the sheer massive of those stones and the ambient around it is just freaky.
I love the various art work shown through out the video but I really love differences in style when it comes to Melkor/Morgoth and Ungoliant and how different people interpret them. There's one art showing him as a beautiful man, one where he's some great horned armoured king, and another where he's this creepy shadow monster. There are others but the style of those that stick out to me.
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For each piece.
Did the balrog kill balins expedition? I thought it was the orcs
It was Orcs that killed Balin’s expedition not the balrog.
Even Saron knows them not.
The Balrog destroyed the ORIGINAL inhabitants of Moria, Durin's folk, hence why it's known as 'Durin's Bane'. But yes, the Orcs got Balin and his party.
does the writers office for rings of power count?
Haha!
Yes! Utumno or Angband seem a cakewalk compared to that. Probably the only place Morgoth fears more than the Void
These places even scare me. And I’m a fan of LOTR!
It don't scare me except for Mordor.
If the watcher swims in the lake beside Khaza'dum i do wonder what lurks in the arda ocean.
I think the oceans and rivers are generally considered peaceful outside of storms. That is Ulmo’s sphere of influence and he is seen as the third strongest Ainur after Morgoth and Manwe, possibly being on par or even surpassing Manwe. I don’t think he would tolerate any of Morgoth’s evil to freely wander his territory. The stagnant water on land or underground rivers and lakes are a different story though.
I always wondered what the "Houses of Lamentation" are. Only mentioned once, by the Witch-King
Prob some horrible dungeon in Angmar 😄
Probably Utumno but all of them are definitely scary places great video and narration 👏🏻👍🏻
10:57 Do you have a source for the size of Utumnos caverns? It was always my head-canon that Durin's Bane fled underground, because I always imagined the tunnels of Utumno being connected to other deep caverns - a beautifully eerie thought. I'd just like to know if there is definite proof somewhere.
If Tolkien was Australian, since spider are just their roomate, Ungoliant might shaped as titan Cassowary
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Obsessed with LOTR!!!
So am I!!
I’m surprised you didn’t mention eoywn and her pot of stew. Legend says the men of Rohan and Gondor can never forget the unspeakable horrors they suffered, the taste so horrible it turns you taste buds to ash and a smell so putrid it blocks the air from your lungs. It is said that Aragorn can still hear the urges of eoywn to eat the stew to this day
Most horrifying is a trolls toilet.
Who remembers the Barrow downs in the Lord of the rings War in the north game?
This is what I have to watch to recover from politics and the disaster of a presidential debate the other night. Un-subbing from all the political channels. Yikes, back to LoTR.
We're doomed
Right here with ya 🤘🏻🤘🏻
Love from Oz. It's hard to watch. Really feel for you guys.
Why would you ever sub to political channels 😂😂🤦♂️that’s just asking fir a headache
And Kamala is just as bad, possibly even worse. We’re all screwed either way. Got to have the Bilbo Baggins mindset. Enjoy home, your Tolkien books, and the non-stressful things in life. Tolkien/LOTR will always be the perfect escape.
Hmmm, I DON'T think anything on Arda is as malignant as Utumno, a place that even makes Angband seem reasonable! You hit No. 1 with it; kudos, as many overlook it. But there are others you could cover, in future vids maybe? 😉
Thanks man.
I have another video about Terrifying Places 👉 ua-cam.com/video/O2z5pmACTpQ/v-deo.html
But yea, it's a good topic for a thirth video!
@@The.Lore.Seeker It's ok dudo, just discovered your Channel today, and I've been swotting up, lol! Already caught it, but thanks. 👍🏻
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Super, thanks. Enjoy the video's :)
Honorable mention for the Withered Heath, in the grey wastes of the north, "where the great dragons bred." Smaug was the last great dragon of Middle Earth, but looking at the quote by Gandalf:
'there is not now any dragon left on earth in which the old fire is hot enough'.
That's no maybe. That's a direct statement that gives us 2 points:
Dragons still exist.
Some of these are quite old.
Now, given that no reports of dragons come from any listed realms, the Withered Heath is the obvious candidate for just WHERE these beasts reside.
So. Any picnic party in the northern wastes would be made into supper.
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Remember Melkors greatest fortress Utumno
i disagree with minas morgul. it wasnt that bad. yes you couldnt go back to it because of the Poisson and stuff. But the Nazgul's aren't THAT terrifying. In fact, they lose every single fight i've seen.
Dol-Guldur?
I would add to the list Cirith Ungol, Dol Guldur and the Withered Heath.
I wouldn't put some of these places, like Angband, Lamoth, and whatever remained of Utumno, in a video about Middle-earth. As someone said, we don't know if the nameless things were a direct creation of Morgoth. After all, Sauron, who probably came to Arda alongside his future master, did not know anything about them. Also, I don't think that Moria can be the most terrifying place in this video. I would probably replace it with Minas Morgul, Mordor, Angband, Utumno, or the Valley of Dreadful Death, AKA Nan Dungortheb, and just move it down.
Thanks for your reply.
If you would be in charge of the list, what would it look like?
Well, let's see. The worst would probably be Minas Morgul, then Mordor. I would add the Dead Marshes, the tunnels below Moria, the Barrow-downs, Shelob's Lair, and the Paths of the Dead here. I'm not sure what the order from 3 to 7 will be, though.
If we're talking about the legendarium, the worst place is Nan Dungortheb, then Angband, Avathar (the valley where Morgoth found Ungoliant), Taur-nu-Fuin sounds quite frightening, Lamoth is also quite terrifying. I'd also add the Isle of Werewolves, because that's where Sauron stayed for some time before the isle was healed by Lúthien.
Some good suggestions, perhaps I should start thinking about at part 2.
extended list: Carn Dûm, Gundabad.
I think the place amazon created in the rings of power was the most horrible place
How can one Man be so creative ?
Would be so cool if they made Lord of the rings and you get all the locations or so somewhat and you get all kinds of enemies spiders or trolls and dragons and all kinds of things and you get to create your own character completely your own way to choose and make your own weapons and all this open world free Rome I mean, even once you beat the game because still just go around and kill bunch of enemys whatever
Sounds like World of Warcraft ;)
@@The.Lore.Seeker know, except they haven’t really made a good Lord of the rings game except shadow of war. I hope they make something like that soon.
I probably would have added Mirkwood as it had changed from The Greenwood into a horrible place that drove people mad if they wondered in there and got lost
Great video! Although, have to disagree with you about Utumno and Khazad-dûm (Moria). I've read Tolkien for years and haven't seen anything relating to Moria and Utumno, plus Utumno is described being in an icy wasteland on the edge of Arda.
The tunnels at the roots of the Misty Mountains were made the "nameless things" and not hewn by Orcs for Melkor.
Brilliant video otherwise!
We should build these in real life, me thinks.
I think the breeding grounds of the dragons is a monstrous place as well.
Literally every one of these places is a metal band
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One in each western country, at least
@@The.Lore.SeekerI don't know if the OP is EXACTLY right, Lore Seeker, but their are Metal bands called Amon Amarth, Gorgoroth, Gates Of Utumno, and Carach Angren, and their was a Metal-Fusion band called Ephel Duath. 😉
I thought the nameless things predated Morgoth.
Gandalf says they predated Sauron. Nothing is said of their relation (if there is any) to Morgoth.
Morgoth is ainur, ainur sang the song of creation. Only Eru Illuvatar predates ainur.
Gandalf speaks about the nameless things predating Sauron, a maiar as himself.
honestly, the only places on this list i'd want to set foot in are the barrow downs and mordor.
Dol Guldur, Minas Morgul, Kharad Ras
This is a good list! I would have given consideration to Angmar, Gundabad and The Helcaraxe
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Melkor screamed in such terror his scream manifested as a physical barrier between him and Ungoliant?
Melkor was ainur, the song of ainur created the universe.
Only Eru Illuvatar is older than ainur.
None of these place would probably have compared to what the Sackville-Bagginses would have turned Bag End into if they'd managed to take it over
So what im hearing is, if i want to leave a long lasting impression on the world and be remembered, do evil things.
Cirith Ungol
In which tolkien book was it said that the caverns of utumno were connected to morias tunnels?
I believe it was The Silmarillion.
@@The.Lore.Seeker I have just checked in the book and it is true that utumno was up to 1000km big and when u check the map it could possibly reach to moria…but there is not a single note that it is connected to moria. Otherwise Morgoth would have had an easy play to defeat the dwarfs or corrupt them. Beside that is is a very cool video :-)
What was the forest sauron was a vampire? Or wheres the isle of werewolves?
You missed the Dead Marshes
The two worst are utumno and angband, it’s not even close, they were literally morgoth’s fortresses
You forgot Dol guldor
I wouldnt subscribe if we mispronounce words like Dunedain. It shows quality immediately.
11:34 artist?
I am
@@The.Lore.Seeker Where can I see that picture? Do you have a catalog of your artworks?
I'd a 30 second ad before the video started, followed by another ad 1 minute into the video. So after 60 seconds I'm gone 👋
Most horrifying places in Tolkien's Universe for me: Utumno, Angband, Mordor, Gundabad, Nan Dungortheb, Dol Guldur, Minas Morgul, Angmar, Cirith Ungol.
Cirith Ungol isn’t that bad compared to the rest instead of that I would put Moria Shelob is a weak ass spider
@@user-ud7xr9py7m Probably much weaker than Ungoliant
@@user-ud7xr9py7m You'd put Moria because of the balrog I take it?
Isn't Ungoliant Shelob's mom??
barrow downs feels way too mundane for a 'most terrifying places' list
Great video. You should have way more subscribers. Going to help out by subscribing.
How come the first dwarves were like dead unable to move the second Aule's attention was shifted elsewhere but Smaug was alive and well even if Morgoth was gone?
They lacked the Flame Imperishable, the divine spark of life that only Eru Ilúvatar could grant. Smaug, however, was a living being and not solely sustained by Morgoth's power; he had his own life force independent of Morgoth's presence.
@@The.Lore.Seeker hold on there! Who made the dragons then?? If only Eru can make true life? Honestly I think it's one of the author loose threads. And I'm more that ok with it. It's not the author business to clean any little text inadvertence just for correctness sake.
@@alexiachimciuc3199 I think it was explained by Tolkien (don't quote me on that). Life can only be created by Eru, Morgoth couldn't do it by himself. So everything that he created started as something else, like orcs started as elves. Therefore I think dragons were created from some other living thing via similar process. I think this sort of thing is even explained in the Silmarillion, that Morgoth was giving away his power to other begins to make them stronger, even to the point where he lost ability to alter his appearance.
@@ArutaretiI yep I remember that. The power and will he put in his twisted creations diminished him to the point where even an elf with a sword, Fingolfin, could harm him.
Morgoth is not a Creator, he is a corruptor, he only mixes and twists, not create.
Just like the Devil.
THE SHIRE without doubt.... I hate feet!
Caelid
Dol guldur
What about STEPHEN LEE's underpants?
You forgot Mar-a-Lago.
These places were so powerful and evil....they were all destroyed.
I find HEA stories boring and annoying. It was so evil, but fell because good always wins yay!
Good can't be appreciated or treasured without evil.
Ungbund.
The darkest place in Arda would have to be Utumno. It’s literally where elves were (allegedly depending on the theory) twisted into orcs
Uruk Hai are sometimes breeding orcs with humans and elves, lots of rap3 and torture involved.
Thr third age creatures were way more twisted that the glorious first age ones.
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You're gay 😂
Jesus Christ the script for this videos narration is cringeworthy.