Best parts - 11:34 “in The Finals, Jordan absolutely DESTROYED, ABUSED, DEMOLISHED, ANNIHILATED and HUMILIATED Malone and the Jazz in every way imaginable” 8:52 “but Kobe had Smush Parker and Kwane BUST Brown”
Crazy that Kobe was surrounded by Smush Parker, Kwame "bust" Brown, Chris Mihm. Also Wilson seems really mad when Karl Malone and Wes Unseld won mvp over MJ and Willis Reed.
1997 MJ 29.6 ppg 50% Fg, 37% from 3, 83% at the line, 1.7 spg, 6 rebound per game, 4.3 apg. Bulls 69 wins best record in the NBA. Karl Malone 27.4 ppg, 55% fg, 0% from 3, 75% at the line, 1.4 spg, 10 rebound per game, 4.5 apg. Jazz 64 wins. You can see Michael had the better overall number plus team record. Malone has a higher FG do to him scoring majority in the low post. You can see why Wilson is mad and why till this day. People still say MJ was robbed of MVP that year. He did show Malone he deserve it when they beat the Jazz in the NBA finals.
He knows how important it is to understand what happened in the past. I've noticed this younger generation has an appreciation for that. I'm a 1990's teenager. Most of my generation could care less. It's nice to see is all.
@@jpmnky Yeah, I have 19 years and a lot of people, of my age but also younger or older, really don't know anything of the past, it's a shame. At least knowing, at least partially, what happen in the past it's a nice and beatiful thing
Steve Nash didn't always have that long, sweaty gross hair. That was a strange, uncomfortable phase in an otherwise great point guard and player's career. Nash was also great in Dallas before he went back to Phx.
Y'all realize Bill Walton is the only athlete in sports history who's legacy is largely based on his potential???? He even beat Iceman Gervin out for the MVP because he might've been better when health?!?! Gtfoh😂😂😂
Shawn Austin Escudero not 06. The pistons, mavs and spurs had better records than the suns. And Lebron and Kobe had better statlines. Nash deserved 05. Not 06
Huge Nash fan. First MVP 100% deserved. He made his teammates better the definition of an mvp The second MVP his numbers were better but it was unexpected. Could go either way
I mean you can’t say he didn’t deserve his mvps. He definitely turned that suns team around and was the catalyst for their dominance. It’s just he won those mvps when guys like Kobe and bron were having historic seasons
Bill Simmons is one of the biggest joke homer journalists you'll ever find. He has never had an unbiased view of Celtics/Lakers or their players in his life.
DRose absolutely deserved the MVP. Unlike down in Miami where James, Wade, and Bosh were on the same team, DRose was the only star on the team. And yet James fans seriously think they believe Lebron was the most valuable, while playing with two future HOFers and Drose played with no HOFer. Yeah, makes so much sense especially when you don't think about it
It's a unfair knock on Kareem. The only reason why the Bucks didn't make the playoffs is because of division positioning was valued more than wins. There were teams who had less wins than the Bucks that made the playoffs. Can you imagine your team didn't make the playoffs because of geography? We don't see that in today's game; we fixed those flaws.
yeah that one hurt to watch. Mj should have had regular season mvps with his 6 finals mvp. And imagine if Mj would have played in 94 and 95 he could have won 1 or two more and if he had come back in 99 maybe he could have gotten a last one but he could and should easily have had 6 and more had he not retired 2 times after winning a championship
Nash was amazing, no controversy at all! I think he gets some hate because he was a little white dude and people just couldn't figure how he was that good. The Eminem of the NBA in those years. I remember those years watching Phonex and he was amazing, had like a radar with those passes and a deadly shot, but so unselfish. He is the one who changed the game before Steph got there.
@@KillaMusiktv 0 Defense is not true. 14 Points only because he involves everybody and because of him Phoenix wins many games in 3 quarters. In close Games he scores a lot more. He was a lot smarter than everybody else. You can give the mvp to the player with the best Stats but in my opinion you need to see the hole picture. Happy that many experts doin it the same
King Klose You wanna give all the credit to Suns winning to Nash when he got multiple all stars and great roster. Joe Johnson, Boris Diaw and Barbosa coming of the bench. Marion was the best defender,rebounder and second best scorer on that team. Both Amare and Marion had better stats more win shares then Nash but they wanna credit Nash even when the Suns didn’t have the best record in the West.
Individual stats is shit How can you put wilt over Russell when his team had 11 less wins. If you're the best player, your team should be the best team. That's why these stat pader think they're alltime greats when they can't even make a deep playoff run
In 2006 Steve Nash lead the Suns to the WCF with only one borderlone all star in Shaw Marion. Leadro Barbosa, Boris Diaw, Raja Bell were really good role players. Also James Jones was part of the rotation. Joe Johnson had left the Suns and Amare only played 3 games that season.
In 1962, when Oscar averaged a triple double, he led his team to just a 43-37 record (13:31). He played in an era in which there were 8-9 teams, the competition was low, the numbers of possesions was high and players, mostly star players, played 44+min/game. Russ on the other hand led OKC to 47, 48 & 49 wins in the loaded competitive West. Also if you adjust Russ's stats to Oscar's era (possesions, pace, minutes etc.) Russ would average 44-14-14.
comp wasn`t low. That`s a myth. Oscar was going against guys like WIlt and Russell, Rick barry and jerry west each time 4 or 5 times in the regular season. that`s like Bron facing the warriors and also the great teams in the west and the east like the nets with kd and kyrie, bucks and sixers and heat, celtics
Derrick Rose definitely deserved it over anyone and we saw that after he got injurer the bulls lost the series wich they wouldn't have if drose never got injured
Very close race, I agree, it was actually one of the Malone's worst season in the 90s, I would have given it to Duncan. I wonder if MJ didn't retire, he might have won it again
Man, chill with the Nash hate, LBJ was carrying worse Cavs teams further than Kobe was back then. If you are an inefficient volume scorer on a 7th seed team, you aren't valuable, and if he was playing for any team besides the Lakers, no one would've given a shit at all.
Legends Never Die I even got tired of Jordan winning that award. Titles are cool, but MVP gotta be switched up from time to time. It can't be so predictable
This is primarily because 1. Better record really matters before. All MVPs before were always within 1st-3rd seed, and Westbrook is the first one who won the MVP at 6th seed. Nowadays, the NBA considers individual stats more than team seeds 2. The longer the players play "good", the more they are overlooked. MJ didn't win the MVP because he had 4 mvps already (by the time Malone won it), the NBA wants someone to at least rival Jordan. 3. 73-9 Warriors blew a 3-1 lead in the finals
Wes Unseld should only have been the rookie of the year in 1969. A rookie averaging less than 15 points per game should not have been a candidate for the league MVP.
I agree with 2006, disagree with you in 2008. All 5 starters from the Hornets played at least 76 games, they were mainly healthy. Kwame Brown and Turiaf started over 20 games and Kobe only had Gasol for 1/3 of the season and was winning a lot even before he arrived
Anti-Kobe fan who always talked shit about him for twenty years. Now that he’s dead the best insult HEARD FROM SOMEONE ELSE is that he’s overrated? Just because you didn’t appreciate him when he was playing doesn’t mean to push your agenda in a subtle way now that he’s gone.
The 1997 and 2006 MVP votes were ridiculous but I think the voters felt sorry for Malone and the value of franchise records and improved win totals from the previous year in 1997. Kobe was robbed in 2006 because he made a 5 win team into a 45 win playoff team.
@@mike.cdn7212 what squad with jason Terry and Josh howard outside of the other guys who were role players or guys past their prime. they were decent but Dirk took that roster to 67 wins
there are so many times kobe should have won mvp... of course because of media he just have one... and that's controversial?... the year he drop 81 points on the raptors and outscored the mavs in 3 quarters.. is there any player who could do that?... carrying the whole offensive load of the team cuz your teammates are bust... jeez he deserve more than 1 mvp... and they are questioning that... just shit...
You should make "travesty" your word. Reason why Rose got voted MVP despite being a rook is because NBA wouldn't give that elusive 3-consecutive MVP title to LeBron. Not all the time numbers factor.
I mean timmy was well deserved but kidd should ve won at least one if nash won two doing exactly the same thing in 05 06 kidd should ve definately won in 02 or 03
Wilson Sy Yeah. Malone winning MVP in ‘97 would be like Durant winning it over Lebron in 2012-2013 when Lebron was having his best or second best (2009) regular season. Also I think I think should’ve won the MVP 3 straight times - ‘05, ‘06, and ‘07 where he won it. Dirk didn’t have another superstar (or two, Shawn Marion was a top 10-15 player from 2000 - 2007) like Nash. Shaq in 2005 was still great but he also had D-Wade, even if he hadn’t hit his prime yet, and he simply had more help than Dirk in 2005. Dirk lost Steve Nash yet the Mavericks won 58 games, and the following season, in 2006, they won 60 games. Kobe had an all time great scoring season but when you win 15 less games than another MVP level player (Lakers won 45 while Mavericks won 60) and his team isn’t even stacked, it goes to the guy who won 15 more.
Cool Man7 Because, in 1998, Karl Malone had more win shares, better WS/48 min, more VORP, a higher PER, a higher box plus minus then MJ had in 1998. Also, in that 97 - 98 regular season, the Jazz were 17.4 points per 100 possessions better with Karl Malone on the floor, while the Bulls were only 6.7 points per 100 possessions better with MJ on the floor during the 97 - 98 season. Pippen being injured is literally the only argument for MJ that year. But I think it’s pretty clear than Karl Malone deserved it in 1998, and MJ deserved it in 1997. MJ’s 1998 MVP was basically a message to MJ that they should’ve given it to him the year before (Which they should’ve), but Malone definitely deserved it in 1998. That’s why.
Elijah Ruderman You do realize Advanced statistics weren’t wildly available yet and weren’t even released for the general public. It was 1998, not 2020, Where you can now go on basketball reference and find advanced statistics. Pippen being injured for half the season wasn’t the only thing for Jordan’s MVP case that year. Here are some reasons why jordan won the mvp. - With Scottie out with an injury, MJ carried the bulls to a 26-12 record and never lost more than 2 games in a row. While without John Stockton, karl managed to just get a record of 11-7, showing that Stockton was vital to Karl and the teams success. -Scottie wasn’t the only player on the bulls to get injured that season, Luc Longley(who was the bulls starting center and 4th leading scorer)also missed 24 games that season. Steve kerr(who was the bulls best shooter, best bench player, and also shot 44% from three) also missed 32 games due to an injury. Toni Kukoc also missed 8 games that season. (The bulls third leading scorer) That is an average of 32.5 games missed for the teams top 7 players. Even with all the injuries, Jordan still managed to get them to the best record in the nba. -Dennis Rodman was 37 years old already, and basically useless on the offensive end. He only put up 4.7 points per game. (Tied for the lowest of his career up to that point.) Im not downplaying his rebounding tho because he was still Great on the boards. -Jordans stats were on par with Karl’s for the season. PPG:MJ RPG:Karl(expected since karl played PF) APG:Karl SPG:MJ BPG:Karl TO:MJ (MJ had a higher usage percentage an still averaged .7 less turnovers a game) FG%:Karl(again expected since Karl played PF and played inside a lot more) 3pt%: Karl(only attempted 6 3s the whole season, last season shot 0 for 13) FT%:MJ MJ led in 4, while karl led in 5. -Jordan was the better offensive player, defensive player, was a dpoy candidate, carried a bulls team that was riddled with injuries the whole year to a 62-20 with his leadership and skill, was more valuable to his team than karl, and still put up great stats of 29, 6 and 4. The reason why Jordan won it in 98 is the same reason why Charles Barkley, derrick rose, lebron in 2012, and more won it.They led their team to a great record while carrying their team during long stretches,(due to injuries) while still having great stats. For more context here are videos/article that show how Jordan won the award: www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sports/nba/longterm/jordan/articles/fifthmvp98.htm m.ua-cam.com/video/lhdlBmS5vT0/v-deo.html www.nytimes.com/1998/05/19/sports/the-nba-playoffs-jordan-is-winner-of-mvp-a-5th-time.html
The 1990 MVP between 3 Superstar Jordan, Barkley & Magic 1969 RoY MVP deserve that is Reed or Jerry West And Kobe's rob 2x MVP supposed to be 3 on him. 2007 2010 won once in 2008.
Karl Malone should have won MVP in 1998. He led the ENTIRE NBA in PER, Win Shares, Offensive Box Plus Minus, Total Box Plus Minus, VORP. He was far more efficient than Michael Jordan and the best offensive player during the 1997-1998 regular season. Jordan score 28ppg on 53% True Shooting, Karl Malone scored 27ppg on 58% True Shooting; While the Utah Jazz had a better record than the Chicago Bulls.
blacknetsmed You do realize advanced statistics weren’t even created back then right? This is 1998 we’re talking about here. You probably got these stats from basketball reference which was made in 2004. You have to look at it from the perspective of the voters in 1998. Anyways, Karl wasn’t the better offensive player that season, he was just more efficient from the field. MJ mainly won the award because he carried his whole team the whole year due to injuries and still put up great stats of 29,6, and 4 while being a DPOY candidate.
@@X02Overdose Whats the argument for Malone in 98? That he averaged more rebounds and had a higher field goal percentage as a PF? Or that he averaged .4 assists more than a guard?
Casey Flentye Nah man. A Point Guard is the leader. I would've gave it to Kidd over Duncan and Paul over Kobe. Its crazy how QBs get more respect in the NFL then PGs do in the NBA
I started to write a very compelling and plainly undeniable view; conveying Kobe Bryant: won 5 Titles with two teams. Being an all world talent far and above what I’m sure you perceive to be elite. However, explaining greatness to those who doubt and have obvious bias...Not worth my time, not anyone time. Next you might say that Gary Payton was overrated? How Steph is not that great of a shooter? How Montana and Vick were never the leaders on their team? Nah? Have a nice weekend tho. :)
@@GatCat The advanced stats show that Kobe never was the best player. Championships dont count if you win them like Kobe (2002 Game 6 vs. Kings). You can count at best 6 rings.
And ey Wilson. Can you make a video of this year's MVP. It's quite interesting. You know many players are deserving for the award and we are all excited to see who'll get that trophy. Will it be Lebron who had the best record in the tough Western conference? Will it be James Harden who for the second season in a row putting an absurd numbers? Will it be Luka Doncic who led his Mavs to the post season as a 2nd year man? Will it be Pascal Siakam (tho. I don't really believe that he'll win the award) who led the Defending NBA Champion to a surprising 2nd seed in the East without Kawhi Leonard? Or will it be Giannis who led his team to the best record in the League? I think it would be amazing if you consider my request. Thank you in advance and what a great Content.
Can you count how many championships does Giannis have? Bron had 3 and in his 17TH SEASON is still regarded by many as the best player on the planet. C'mon, Bron is still best player in the planet.
you can argue about 10 mvps no joking.. 1987 he averaged 37 ppg 1989 32 ppg 8 rpg 8 apg 1990 33,5 ppg watch the playoff series against the sixers to see who the real mvp was 1993 mj proved in the finals who was the best player same with 1997..i dont say he deserved it 100% in all of these seasons but you can make an arguement in all of them
@@glenroysmith2428 unlike the other guy who self proclaimed he's the greatest despite having swept twice in the finals and jumping from other teams recruiting other superstars to join him lol
U forgot 09 when Bron won it over D Wade who had better stats and a better player that year. D Wade dragged the Miami Heat to 5th seed with the rookie Michael Beasly as the second leading scorer. Lebron at least have Ilgauskas and Mo Williams who were all stars at least once in their career
Man I totally agree with you! I wanted to propose you something new for your next video .. For the current draft 2020 the potential of many participants like Lamelo Ball etc..just saying bruh, good job 😎
If you look back at each season of Kobe’s career there’s very few seasons outside 2008 where he could’ve realistically won a MVP. Shaq was his teammate for the first 8 seasons of his career, the roster was absolute dog water the 3 seasons that followed Shaqs departure. Then after 2008 Lebron and D Rose had great seasons of their own with worse supporting casts and by 2012 he was old lol
Nash got 2. Kidd was a better PG with none. I know Jason was called Ason Kidd because he couldn't shoot. He still deserved that award that year. Tim never put up Wilt Bi11 or Shaw type numbers. I wouldnt have giving none. J Kidd got a ring in 2011. I just wish he had one MVP
Other than Magic Johnson, "true" point guards like Steve Nash have always been overrated. Never has a team won a championship with a "true" point guard as their 1st or 2nd best player. Steve Nash did not deserve any of his 2 MVP's.
DESTROYED! ABUSED! DEMOLISHED! ANNIHALATED! and HUMILIATED! in EVERY WAY IMAGINABLE!
This man says it in the same cadence every damn time 🤣
J.A. Gamer 😂 I love this man
I think he almost laughed
Best parts -
11:34 “in The Finals, Jordan absolutely DESTROYED, ABUSED, DEMOLISHED, ANNIHILATED and HUMILIATED Malone and the Jazz in every way imaginable”
8:52 “but Kobe had Smush Parker and Kwane BUST Brown”
I was reading your comment as he went berserk over that.
Crazy that Kobe was surrounded by Smush Parker, Kwame "bust" Brown, Chris Mihm. Also Wilson seems really mad when Karl Malone and Wes Unseld won mvp over MJ and Willis Reed.
1997 MJ 29.6 ppg 50% Fg, 37% from 3, 83% at the line, 1.7 spg, 6 rebound per game, 4.3 apg. Bulls 69 wins best record in the NBA.
Karl Malone 27.4 ppg, 55% fg, 0% from 3, 75% at the line, 1.4 spg, 10 rebound per game, 4.5 apg. Jazz 64 wins.
You can see Michael had the better overall number plus team record. Malone has a higher FG do to him scoring majority in the low post. You can see why Wilson is mad and why till this day. People still say MJ was robbed of MVP that year. He did show Malone he deserve it when they beat the Jazz in the NBA finals.
That was only for 3 years. He had Shaq, Gasol, Odom, Bynum for the majority of his prime.
dd Magic over Mike Jordan too
For me 2nd was the 97 season between MJ and KM and the 1st RUS and CHAM....
Love your vids keep post in this hard time. Stay strong and have a great day
Thanks you too Parker. Great chatting with you
Your research skills are amazing because I know your young. Great job I love your videos plus your editing is good as well. Your awesome bro
Thanks Ken, appreciate the kinds words. I'll always have a deep appreciation for old school NBA as well. I can talk 50s, 60s and 70s for hours
When in doubt, your.
He knows how important it is to understand what happened in the past. I've noticed this younger generation has an appreciation for that. I'm a 1990's teenager. Most of my generation could care less. It's nice to see is all.
@@jpmnky Yeah, I have 19 years and a lot of people, of my age but also younger or older, really don't know anything of the past, it's a shame. At least knowing, at least partially, what happen in the past it's a nice and beatiful thing
Steve Nash didn't always have that long, sweaty gross hair. That was a strange, uncomfortable phase in an otherwise great point guard and player's career. Nash was also great in Dallas before he went back to Phx.
Y'all realize Bill Walton is the only athlete in sports history who's legacy is largely based on his potential???? He even beat Iceman Gervin out for the MVP because he might've been better when health?!?! Gtfoh😂😂😂
😂😂😂EXACTLY..HE'S IN THE HOF CAUSE POTENTIAL
It is just me or Steve Nash definitely deserved those MVP awards
Not the one in 2006. Kobe should have won that
maybe Dirk not Kobe
Dirk over Nash for that 2006 MVP
Shawn Austin Escudero not 06. The pistons, mavs and spurs had better records than the suns. And Lebron and Kobe had better statlines. Nash deserved 05. Not 06
I also think Derrick deserved that award. He balled hard that year.
Derrick Rose deserved it in 2011 boss
Um...no.
Hell no
@@VincentVincent_89 Hell yea
@@alvinjackson1368 Hell yes
@@VincentVincent_89 his team won 60 games he averaged 25 and 7 and from people who watched him say he deserved it he did this at 22 he deserved this
Huge Nash fan. First MVP 100% deserved. He made his teammates better the definition of an mvp The second MVP his numbers were better but it was unexpected. Could go either way
I mean you can’t say he didn’t deserve his mvps. He definitely turned that suns team around and was the catalyst for their dominance. It’s just he won those mvps when guys like Kobe and bron were having historic seasons
The second mvp should have definitely went to Kobe, all love to Nash tho
@@christianchandler2419 but I do think Kobe’s 2009 mvp should have gone to Paul
05-06 season should have definitely gone to Kobe or Dirk
nash
Bill Simmons is one of the biggest joke homer journalists you'll ever find. He has never had an unbiased view of Celtics/Lakers or their players in his life.
RB23 ok but you know he’s biased. He says it is. He’s still a great writer and loves basketball he’s a lot better then some of these other guys
He talks shit about the Celtics too what are you talking about
@@arizonaFIREent did u read what he said
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Thank you, stay safe and appreciate your support
12:05 I'm actually more shocked at the fact that Billy Cunningham was that good while Wilt, Russell, West, & Robertson were still playing.
DRose absolutely deserved the MVP. Unlike down in Miami where James, Wade, and Bosh were on the same team, DRose was the only star on the team. And yet James fans seriously think they believe Lebron was the most valuable, while playing with two future HOFers and Drose played with no HOFer. Yeah, makes so much sense especially when you don't think about it
James had a better stats but bulls were at the top seed so....
@@muncheryt2543 Rose’s two best teammates also missed significant time and Rose was still able lead his team to the best record in the league
How about Kareem in '76 or 77 (I forget which), when he won it despite not even leading his team to the playoffs?
It's a unfair knock on Kareem. The only reason why the Bucks didn't make the playoffs is because of division positioning was valued more than wins. There were teams who had less wins than the Bucks that made the playoffs. Can you imagine your team didn't make the playoffs because of geography? We don't see that in today's game; we fixed those flaws.
@@mike.cdn7212 Lakers not Bucks
13:33 all this and the guy who averaged nearly 40 and 20 came in 4th, brushed to the side and barely noticed
MJ not winning the award in 1997 while leading the Bulls to the best record in the league that season is an ABSOLUTE TRAVESTY AT ALL LEVELS
yeah that one hurt to watch. Mj should have had regular season mvps with his 6 finals mvp. And imagine if Mj would have played in 94 and 95 he could have won 1 or two more and if he had come back in 99 maybe he could have gotten a last one but he could and should easily have had 6 and more had he not retired 2 times after winning a championship
Ya that’s a textbook example of voter fatigue for a MVP lol
NASH deserved both mvp Awards. End of the Story ✌🏼
Nash was amazing, no controversy at all! I think he gets some hate because he was a little white dude and people just couldn't figure how he was that good. The Eminem of the NBA in those years. I remember those years watching Phonex and he was amazing, had like a radar with those passes and a deadly shot, but so unselfish. He is the one who changed the game before Steph got there.
Nash was my favorite player in the 2000s. I will always always say he deserved the first one and the second one is always a good debate.
14 pts and 11 assists with 0 defense does not = MVP
@@KillaMusiktv 0 Defense is not true. 14 Points only because he involves everybody and because of him Phoenix wins many games in 3 quarters. In close Games he scores a lot more. He was a lot smarter than everybody else. You can give the mvp to the player with the best Stats but in my opinion you need to see the hole picture. Happy that many experts doin it the same
King Klose You wanna give all the credit to Suns winning to Nash when he got multiple all stars and great roster. Joe Johnson, Boris Diaw and Barbosa coming of the bench. Marion was the best defender,rebounder and second best scorer on that team. Both Amare and Marion had better stats more win shares then Nash but they wanna credit Nash even when the Suns didn’t have the best record in the West.
Individual stats is shit
How can you put wilt over Russell when his team had 11 less wins. If you're the best player, your team should be the best team. That's why these stat pader think they're alltime greats when they can't even make a deep playoff run
In 2006 Steve Nash lead the Suns to the WCF with only one borderlone all star in Shaw Marion. Leadro Barbosa, Boris Diaw, Raja Bell were really good role players. Also James Jones was part of the rotation. Joe Johnson had left the Suns and Amare only played 3 games that season.
Kobe was litteraly backpacking bums to revelancy in the western conference
In 1962, when Oscar averaged a triple double, he led his team to just a 43-37 record (13:31). He played in an era in which there were 8-9 teams, the competition was low, the numbers of possesions was high and players, mostly star players, played 44+min/game. Russ on the other hand led OKC to 47, 48 & 49 wins in the loaded competitive West. Also if you adjust Russ's stats to Oscar's era (possesions, pace, minutes etc.) Russ would average 44-14-14.
Stupid Russ Stan. Nba plays no defence today. A lot different than what oscar had to deal with. Westbrook couldn’t hold the Big Os jockstrap
Talent is concentrated more in a league with less teams
Also, was Wilt bad???
comp wasn`t low. That`s a myth. Oscar was going against guys like WIlt and Russell, Rick barry and jerry west each time 4 or 5 times in the regular season. that`s like Bron facing the warriors and also the great teams in the west and the east like the nets with kd and kyrie, bucks and sixers and heat, celtics
@@trollkenobi6727 no he averaged 50 in 1962
Walt Frazier should've been an all star in 1969
Derrick Rose definitely deserved it over anyone and we saw that after he got injurer the bulls lost the series wich they wouldn't have if drose never got injured
I 100% agree.
MVP is a regular season award and that season where he got hurt was in 2012. He won MVP in 2011
1987-88 NBA MVP voting
1. Jordan
Pts. 35 reb. 5.5 ast. 5.9 stl 3.2. Fg%53.5. 3pt%13.2 FT%84
2. Bird
Pts. 29.9 reb. 9.3 ast. 6.1 stl. 1.8 Fg%52.7 3pt%41 FT%91
Travesty
Jordan was also defensive player of the year
I suggesr you make a video on who wins the mvp if playoffs was included
For 11:34, you're the real MVP.
Hakeem should've got 93, Harden should've got 19 & Dwight should've got 11.
Alonzo should've won in 99 I think. I love Malone as a player, but he didn't do anything special that year.
Very close race, I agree, it was actually one of the Malone's worst season in the 90s, I would have given it to Duncan. I wonder if MJ didn't retire, he might have won it again
Man, chill with the Nash hate, LBJ was carrying worse Cavs teams further than Kobe was back then. If you are an inefficient volume scorer on a 7th seed team, you aren't valuable, and if he was playing for any team besides the Lakers, no one would've given a shit at all.
Kobe was pretty efficient that year wtf lol
chamberlain average 50.4 ppg 25.7 rpg. that was a monster.
The 1962 MVP race triggers me
Hey great job with the commentary and you are right with 2002 reason on why Kidd did not win the mvp. Please keep it up.
Thank you. Appreciate your support. Kidd was amazing in 2002, way more impactful than his numbers
macewbee I would've Kanye West Tim Duncan's award ceremony on some "Jason Kidd had a way better season then you Tim"
Karl Malone winning MVP in 1997 is a travesty...Jordan won more games and he's a better player
Legends Never Die I even got tired of Jordan winning that award. Titles are cool, but MVP gotta be switched up from time to time. It can't be so predictable
rodman also played 55 games, kurkoc played 57 and other injuries
This is primarily because
1. Better record really matters before. All MVPs before were always within 1st-3rd seed, and Westbrook is the first one who won the MVP at 6th seed. Nowadays, the NBA considers individual stats more than team seeds
2. The longer the players play "good", the more they are overlooked. MJ didn't win the MVP because he had 4 mvps already (by the time Malone won it), the NBA wants someone to at least rival Jordan.
3. 73-9 Warriors blew a 3-1 lead in the finals
Dude suspension and injuries brought down the warriors. They should have won
Mj was robbed BIG time in 97
Wes Unseld should only have been the rookie of the year in 1969. A rookie averaging less than 15 points per game should not have been a candidate for the league MVP.
Dr J’s 1981 MVP is deserved in my opinion. Just by looking at the stats he was better than Larry
how are u gonna leave out Birds win over B. King. Bird said himself that B. King should have won the award
Bryant shouldve won in 2006, CP3 shouldve won in 2008
I agree with 2006, disagree with you in 2008. All 5 starters from the Hornets played at least 76 games, they were mainly healthy. Kwame Brown and Turiaf started over 20 games and Kobe only had Gasol for 1/3 of the season and was winning a lot even before he arrived
@Intellectual One Kobe was the best player in 07, but Dirk won 67 games, can't take that away from him
@@WilsonSy Even though he got bounced in R1 by the 8th seed GSW, Dirk deserved MVP. It's more of a regular season award.
Naw Nash deserved it
Intellectual One yeah nope
Steve Nash very questionable but drose was the mvp no question I watched that season he was so unstoppable and so explosive he was a god that mvp year
I’m extremely biased but I think Dwight Howard should of gotten MVP that year.
@@austinreed347 no one talks about how good he was in 2011. u can make the case he should`ve won it
7:55 by role players you mean Draymond Green right? Lol J see what you did there. Anyways can you make a video about how overrated that man is. Lol
Wilson you for got that Tiny Archibald led the league in assists and points per game that season!
Anti-Kobe fan who always talked shit about him for twenty years. Now that he’s dead the best insult HEARD FROM SOMEONE ELSE is that he’s overrated? Just because you didn’t appreciate him when he was playing doesn’t mean to push your agenda in a subtle way now that he’s gone.
This is 15 out of a total of 65 mvp awards ever given.
I always felt Bill Walton should have won in 1976-1977
His stats were close too Kareem, not to mention he was arguably not even the best player on his team
@@singingchef23 walton was the best player on his team
Yo wilson how many times r u gunna use the word travesty????......hahahahahahaha
The 1997 and 2006 MVP votes were ridiculous but I think the voters felt sorry for Malone and the value of franchise records and improved win totals from the previous year in 1997. Kobe was robbed in 2006 because he made a 5 win team into a 45 win playoff team.
You cannot say Nash didn't have a case, also Lebron's season wasn't that much different than Kobe's. Dirk played well but the man had a squad.
@@mike.cdn7212 what squad with jason Terry and Josh howard outside of the other guys who were role players or guys past their prime. they were decent but Dirk took that roster to 67 wins
there are so many times kobe should have won mvp... of course because of media he just have one... and that's controversial?... the year he drop 81 points on the raptors and outscored the mavs in 3 quarters.. is there any player who could do that?... carrying the whole offensive load of the team cuz your teammates are bust... jeez he deserve more than 1 mvp... and they are questioning that... just shit...
he deserved it in 2002 or 2003 but the MVP should`ve gone to Nash and dirk in 2007
That rant was exaclty what,i was thinking when jordan only got 5 mvps 😤
And they compare green to barkley
Dranreb Quinantoto Heart wise. Barley numbers were crazy all his career
2017 most controversial
Robinson over Hakeem was controversial
Na, Hakeem only won 47 games and Spurs were the 1 seed, even though Dream destroyed him in the playoffs
Nahhh...
2002 Duncan MVP was legit. Completely robbery if you choose another player over him.
Derrick Rose was the MVP that year, player. Nothing controversial about it.
Ya I don’t understand why people argue against him winning
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All ima say is one of those Steve Nash MVPS doesn’t belong there
You should make "travesty" your word.
Reason why Rose got voted MVP despite being a rook is because NBA wouldn't give that elusive 3-consecutive MVP title to LeBron.
Not all the time numbers factor.
Kel Tsang rose won mvp in his 3rd year
Nash def deserved his mvps without him the Suns wouldn’t be good
I mean timmy was well deserved but kidd should ve won at least one if nash won two doing exactly the same thing in 05 06 kidd should ve definately won in 02 or 03
Malone should've won it in '98 instead of '97
98 should have been more debatable and better option since both teams won the same exact number of games
Wilson Sy Yeah. Malone winning MVP in ‘97 would be like Durant winning it over Lebron in 2012-2013 when Lebron was having his best or second best (2009) regular season. Also I think I think should’ve won the MVP 3 straight times - ‘05, ‘06, and ‘07 where he won it. Dirk didn’t have another superstar (or two, Shawn Marion was a top 10-15 player from 2000 - 2007) like Nash. Shaq in 2005 was still great but he also had D-Wade, even if he hadn’t hit his prime yet, and he simply had more help than Dirk in 2005. Dirk lost Steve Nash yet the Mavericks won 58 games, and the following season, in 2006, they won 60 games. Kobe had an all time great scoring season but when you win 15 less games than another MVP level player (Lakers won 45 while Mavericks won 60) and his team isn’t even stacked, it goes to the guy who won 15 more.
Elijah Ruderman Why do you think Karl deserved it in 98?
Cool Man7 Because, in 1998, Karl Malone had more win shares, better WS/48 min, more VORP, a higher PER, a higher box plus minus then MJ had in 1998. Also, in that 97 - 98 regular season, the Jazz were 17.4 points per 100 possessions better with Karl Malone on the floor, while the Bulls were only 6.7 points per 100 possessions better with MJ on the floor during the 97 - 98 season. Pippen being injured is literally the only argument for MJ that year. But I think it’s pretty clear than Karl Malone deserved it in 1998, and MJ deserved it in 1997. MJ’s 1998 MVP was basically a message to MJ that they should’ve given it to him the year before (Which they should’ve), but Malone definitely deserved it in 1998. That’s why.
Elijah Ruderman You do realize Advanced statistics weren’t wildly available yet and weren’t even released for the general public. It was 1998, not 2020, Where you can now go on basketball reference and find advanced statistics. Pippen being injured for half the season wasn’t the only thing for Jordan’s MVP case that year.
Here are some reasons why jordan won the mvp.
- With Scottie out with an injury, MJ carried the bulls to a 26-12 record and never lost more than 2 games in a row. While without John Stockton, karl managed to just get a record of 11-7, showing that Stockton was vital to Karl and the teams success.
-Scottie wasn’t the only player on the bulls to get injured that season, Luc Longley(who was the bulls starting center and 4th leading scorer)also missed 24 games that season. Steve kerr(who was the bulls best shooter, best bench player, and also shot 44% from three) also missed 32 games due to an injury. Toni Kukoc also missed 8 games that season. (The bulls third leading scorer) That is an average of 32.5 games missed for the teams top 7 players. Even with all the injuries, Jordan still managed to get them to the best record in the nba.
-Dennis Rodman was 37 years old already, and basically useless on the offensive end. He only put up 4.7 points per game. (Tied for the lowest of his career up to that point.) Im not downplaying his rebounding tho because he was still Great on the boards.
-Jordans stats were on par with Karl’s for the season.
PPG:MJ
RPG:Karl(expected since karl played PF)
APG:Karl
SPG:MJ
BPG:Karl
TO:MJ (MJ had a higher usage percentage an still averaged .7 less turnovers a game)
FG%:Karl(again expected since Karl played PF and played inside a lot more)
3pt%: Karl(only attempted 6 3s the whole season, last season shot 0 for 13)
FT%:MJ
MJ led in 4, while karl led in 5.
-Jordan was the better offensive player, defensive player, was a dpoy candidate, carried a bulls team that was riddled with injuries the whole year to a 62-20 with his leadership and skill, was more valuable to his team than karl, and still put up great stats of 29, 6 and 4.
The reason why Jordan won it in 98 is the same reason why Charles Barkley, derrick rose, lebron in 2012, and more won it.They led their team to a great record while carrying their team during long stretches,(due to injuries) while still having great stats.
For more context here are videos/article that show how Jordan won the award:
www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sports/nba/longterm/jordan/articles/fifthmvp98.htm m.ua-cam.com/video/lhdlBmS5vT0/v-deo.html www.nytimes.com/1998/05/19/sports/the-nba-playoffs-jordan-is-winner-of-mvp-a-5th-time.html
The 1990 MVP between 3 Superstar Jordan, Barkley & Magic
1969 RoY MVP deserve that is Reed or Jerry West
And Kobe's rob 2x MVP supposed to be 3 on him. 2007 2010 won once in 2008.
Karl Malone should have won MVP in 1998. He led the ENTIRE NBA in PER, Win Shares, Offensive Box Plus Minus, Total Box Plus Minus, VORP. He was far more efficient than Michael Jordan and the best offensive player during the 1997-1998 regular season. Jordan score 28ppg on 53% True Shooting, Karl Malone scored 27ppg on 58% True Shooting; While the Utah Jazz had a better record than the Chicago Bulls.
blacknetsmed You do realize advanced statistics weren’t even created back then right? This is 1998 we’re talking about here. You probably got these stats from basketball reference which was made in 2004. You have to look at it from the perspective of the voters in 1998. Anyways, Karl wasn’t the better offensive player that season, he was just more efficient from the field. MJ mainly won the award because he carried his whole team the whole year due to injuries and still put up great stats of 29,6, and 4 while being a DPOY candidate.
@@coolman7626 realistically MJ should’ve won in 1997 and Malone should’ve won in 1998
@@X02Overdose Whats the argument for Malone in 98? That he averaged more rebounds and had a higher field goal percentage as a PF? Or that he averaged .4 assists more than a guard?
Kobe has 1, just one! MVP. Get him off this list.
Casey Flentye Nah man. A Point Guard is the leader. I would've gave it to Kidd over Duncan and Paul over Kobe. Its crazy how QBs get more respect in the NFL then PGs do in the NBA
Casey Flentye kobe was lucky too get 1 mvp he was overrated
Donnie Pate I disagree but you are welcome to your opinion, :) cheers 🍻
I started to write a very compelling and plainly undeniable view; conveying Kobe Bryant: won 5 Titles with two teams. Being an all world talent far and above what I’m sure you perceive to be elite. However, explaining greatness to those who doubt and have obvious bias...Not worth my time, not anyone time. Next you might say that Gary Payton was overrated? How Steph is not that great of a shooter? How Montana and Vick were never the leaders on their team? Nah? Have a nice weekend tho. :)
@@GatCat The advanced stats show that Kobe never was the best player. Championships dont count if you win them like Kobe (2002 Game 6 vs. Kings). You can count at best 6 rings.
And ey Wilson. Can you make a video of this year's MVP. It's quite interesting. You know many players are deserving for the award and we are all excited to see who'll get that trophy. Will it be Lebron who had the best record in the tough Western conference? Will it be James Harden who for the second season in a row putting an absurd numbers? Will it be Luka Doncic who led his Mavs to the post season as a 2nd year man? Will it be Pascal Siakam (tho. I don't really believe that he'll win the award) who led the Defending NBA Champion to a surprising 2nd seed in the East without Kawhi Leonard? Or will it be Giannis who led his team to the best record in the League? I think it would be amazing if you consider my request. Thank you in advance and what a great Content.
I made a recent vid on my award predictions last week
It’s giannis. If it’s not giannis it’s a robbery plain and simple.
Bron is in the west. Giannis can't win in the west
Era Bean This is funny. Where was this argument for you bronsexuals when Lebron was in the east. Correction Lebron can’t win in the west without AD
Can you count how many championships does Giannis have? Bron had 3 and in his 17TH SEASON is still regarded by many as the best player on the planet. C'mon, Bron is still best player in the planet.
The people that argue that rose shouldn’t have won we’re not paying attention.
i think my boy dirk had haters too
Absolute traversiy
It was wade leading the heat not shaq
Did he really say Shaq lead the Heat 🤦🏾♂️
Giorgio Bucella not in 05
I believe harden deserved the award in 2017
Was looking for this too
Agreed
Maybe even 2015
iran lassninja Not in 2015
So more rebounds over points is overrated? Come on
Steve nash back to back mvp was a travesty
TRAVESTY ♡
Steve Nash deserves his MVP award
the NBA owes SHAQ like 6 . NASH2x, DUNCAN 2X, Robinson, Iverson all should have finished not FIRST when SHAQ was the MAN #1!
MJ the should have won 7MVPs .
you can argue about 10 mvps no joking..
1987 he averaged 37 ppg
1989 32 ppg 8 rpg 8 apg
1990 33,5 ppg watch the playoff series against the sixers to see who the real mvp was
1993 mj proved in the finals who was the best player same with 1997..i dont say he deserved it 100% in all of these seasons but you can make an arguement in all of them
@@bloody_outlaw8000 I've been MJ fan still a MJ fan and Chicago bulls fan only team I pull for .
@@bloody_outlaw8000 MJ never came on TV saying he's the greatest , he let his game prove that for him greatest natural born Athlete I've ever seen .
@@glenroysmith2428 unlike the other guy who self proclaimed he's the greatest despite having swept twice in the finals and jumping from other teams recruiting other superstars to join him lol
Kobe and Shaq were robbed a few MVP's...
I agree. Both should have had 2
Shaq maybe, but Kobe no
Carmelo Anthony 2012 over Lebron James where melo won the most games as a Knick because they never won 50 games since Patrick Ewing left New York
IMO rose deserved his mvp
JKidd should have had that one.
Nash robbed Shaq's MVP
U forgot 09 when Bron won it over D Wade who had better stats and a better player that year. D Wade dragged the Miami Heat to 5th seed with the rookie Michael Beasly as the second leading scorer. Lebron at least have Ilgauskas and Mo Williams who were all stars at least once in their career
LeBron won 66 games with that Cavs team, as great as D-Wade was that's 20+ more wins than Miami. Bron 100% deserved it
But at least D Wade had his case tho 😂
@@erabean4392 Not strong enough against LeBron's case
They never speak about this it’s sickening d wade was robbed
Wilson Sy the case was his second best player was old ass jermaine O’Neal let that sink in
Man I totally agree with you! I wanted to propose you something new for your next video ..
For the current draft 2020 the potential of many participants like Lamelo Ball etc..just saying bruh, good job 😎
Thank you Alekos. I'll keep that in mind
I dont understand
The video cap wilt never got ingured
So if kobe didn't win over CP3, he would have 0 mvps. How tragic that would've been
Mr.E He had a lot of All star game MVP awards
It woulda been a travesty
If you look back at each season of Kobe’s career there’s very few seasons outside 2008 where he could’ve realistically won a MVP. Shaq was his teammate for the first 8 seasons of his career, the roster was absolute dog water the 3 seasons that followed Shaqs departure. Then after 2008 Lebron and D Rose had great seasons of their own with worse supporting casts and by 2012 he was old lol
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2018-2019 when it was between Giannis Antetokounmpo and James harden
say that five times fast
It was clearly giannis it wasn’t even close tbh
This guy is so biased
giannis to the warriors
An absolute travesty ha
Bro, you really need to work on not overstating things so much.
I wish I could time travel and stuff the ballet so Jason Kidd won MVP over Tim Duncan
He shoot under 40% FG Tim deserved that one
Nash got 2. Kidd was a better PG with none. I know Jason was called Ason Kidd because he couldn't shoot. He still deserved that award that year. Tim never put up Wilt Bi11 or Shaw type numbers. I wouldnt have giving none. J Kidd got a ring in 2011. I just wish he had one MVP
@@jknumber5138 I never edit my comment (my bad)
Duncan led his team to a better record in a much better conference he deserved
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Other than Magic Johnson, "true" point guards like Steve Nash have always been overrated. Never has a team won a championship with a "true" point guard as their 1st or 2nd best player. Steve Nash did not deserve any of his 2 MVP's.
If you honestly think rose didnt deserve it then watch this: ua-cam.com/video/4ch0xWmaIHg/v-deo.html
For me it’s Harden over James in 2018
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Kobe should've been mvp every time he won the championship
Kobe deserved the 05/06 MVP.
If anything Dirk deserved it
He was 4th in the voting at best he would have go to Dirk or LBJ
Dirreck rose most overrated mvp of all time.
MVP James clearly didn’t watch him. He was an eye test player
Nah Westbrook was
@@bigfundamental1096 SHUT YOUR BITCHASS UP
Nash
@@makis7383 I said the truth bruh
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