Using this kind of setup live since 4 years to run some support backing tracks click and cues, doing large venue's with my band here in Portugal over 300 shows and never failed me (iPad with multitracker, Behringer umc404, and midi controller.) So flexible and reliable ! No more pc/Mac on stage with Ableton live it's a great solution too but once you move to multitracker there's no way coming back. Great tutorial by the away !
John talks about his tracks being on the iCloud, does that mean you are always at the mercy of WiFi connection to access your tracks at various venues? I want the files on my iPad and accessible to Multitracker. Thanks for any help!
@@kevinpaige5746 I forgot to reply to this. Now, I have an iPad 12 5th gen and I never use iCloud anymore. I simply dump the stems to a flash drive and connect it to my iPad. Then copy the files to my ipad in multitracker folder and I don't need any wifi or internet connection. Sorry for the delay in responding!
Thank you for introducing me to the app and detailed tutorial. This saves me from bringing my computer to use Ableton just to run some simple tracks/click.
John, this video is exceptionally helpful, insightful and masterful. I would appreciate it immensely if you would make a follow up or pt. 2 which goes a bit more in-depth into your workflow from stem import to live. There are just a few areas in which I am uncertain, and your further clarification would be exemplary. Thanks man!
Thanks Justin. I plan to do so. We played a gig on December 5th, but here in California, lots of opportunities to demo this live have been canceled, so it is hard for me to accomplish my vision follow up UA-cam of showing deployment from the stage. I have some video from a small event from December 5th. Lots of cool stuff has been revealed to me by users. I will include that in a video. I thought it was necessary to create each folder for stems and import, but a user showed how you can just drag and drop the folders en-masse into your iPad. So much more efficient! After the holidays I will do a part 2. I did a custom backing track creation video, but that does not seem too popular. Seems folks are already up to date on that. So, I plan to stay focused on this. Stay tuned for a pt. 2! Again, thanks!
Outstanding! I found your other vid on doing just that and was able to work through it with your help! Looking forward to other nuggets. Super excited!👍🇨🇦
Thanks for the blessing! I put an easier to access link in the description. The Google Drive wouldn't let people download unless I approved each one, and I only checked that email infrequently. Again, thanks!
Thank you so much for this video. It definitely helps us get started. A couple questions for you please. We are vocal group and we sometimes use a 4 to 5 piece band. We want to use multi tracker as we’ve had a musician help us with Ableton in the past. What interface do you suggest we need for all of our sequencing? Again, we have four part vocals and we will have vocal sweeteners, some extra horns, occasional secondary keys parts for padding, percussion and extra guitar. We want to be able to carry this on planes in our carry on luggage so the smallest one necessary of course would be the most beneficial to us. Thank you again.
@@TheModernGentlemen Hi, thanks for the encouragement! Performers who subscribe to my channel and have to fly to their gigs seem to enjoy this one, but there are some fixes to apply and you may need a powered hub depending. ua-cam.com/video/OWaoMf5XUcA/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared There are “audio snobs” who “poo-poo” this device, but I never hear that these folks make it out of their garage. Performing professionals have used it. I don’t like the RCA outs but traveling performers like the 8 outs in a usb playback device that can fit in carry on. I prefer the UMC1820, personally.
@@TheModernGentlemen Wow! You guys are Pro!! Probably should have had a more gentlemanly response! Keep in mind Multitracker is going to have a significant update coming out this fall.
@@CaliforniaCreedence that’s ok. We appreciate the quick response. We’ve always gone live with no sweeteners but have finally decided to give this a try. Mainly got times we can’t find horn players or keyboard. The interface part is the real tricky thing as we imagine we might need 6-8 inputs for instruments, click and vocals. Thank you again.
Hello John, Thank you so much for these videos ( all of them) on creating, modifying and running backing tracks. I'm trying to get our band on board with this stuff and you're making it easier to convince them. Hey, your band sounds great too!
Thanks so much Todd. It is the best way to go! We have lots more band videos to post but we are busy playing right now. I will have them up in June. I hope to see some of yours!
Hey I also use the UMC1820 but I don't get any sound out from my output in the UMC1820? Do I have to route the interface on my pc, before I use the iPad?
I have the zoom L 12 with eight preamp do I still need the Behringer oh and where do you get you’re backing tracks from thank you for all the help you are giving
So, when you connect the iPad to the Zoom L12 and launch Multitracker, make sure you are in Audio Interface Mode and switch Class Compliant Mode to "ON". It looks like you will have 4 outs (outputs 1 and 2 are Channel 9/10, and outputs 3 and 4 are Channel 11/12) and Multitracker will let you route however you want. I suggest you designate Ch9/10 as L/R for FOH and 11 or 12 as Click for Monitor out (for IEM's), bypassing Main out. We get our backing tracks from Karaoke-Version.com. A word of caution, I have had to record some of my own tracks (drums, bass, guitar or vocals) on occasion because the singing is off pitch at times or instrumentation is not quite acceptable. Overall, they are pretty good. The do not need to be converted to .wav. Leaving them as mp3 is fine for Multitracker. Thanks for the kind words!
@@CaliforniaCreedence Thank you for answering my questions so promptly and I love what you’re doing for the cause one band one sound that’s what it all means believe me you are deeply appreciated here
This was so AWESOME! Thank you so much for posting it. It was VERY helpful. You articulated everything perfectly and it was easy to follow. Again, I say THANK YOU!
Thanks Carmen! I am going to do an update to load songs in a much much easier way than I did here based on a discovery made by another commenter here. So the iCloud import is the long way. Now I know that you can drag and drop song folders into multitracker via itues. Super easy. Again, thanks for the encouragement.
Hey John. I love your channel👍it’s exactly what I’ve been looking for, especially multitrack! Quick question… how did you create your backing tracks for all of your sets? I’m a retired music enthusiast and extremely excited to feature some of these tech skills in our new band👍
I use Karaoke Version Tracks. I have some completed songs that I typically share with those getting started so that they can just drop them into Multitracker and work with them. I can share the link with you. I will be home in a couple of hours and would be happy to get you started! Then you can see how to arrange Karaoke-Version tracks into legit backing tracks with click and cues for the in-ears.
@@CaliforniaCreedence Hey John, I’ve reviewed the setup for live backing tracks, but I think I missed something. You suggested a minimum 4 chan interface, for cabling the L/R stereo chans, PLUS a base chan and a click chan. Why put the base on a separate chan (Multi tracker to mixer?
@@josephmurphy7259 A couple reasons that have to do with my passion as a sound man. 1 - Bass sounds better running MONO (which can be accomplished on a separate channel) 2 - You can apply compression only to the bass for a more stable bottom end with punch when adjusting the attack on the compressor and 3 - Low/sub frequencies tend to slightly overdrive higher frequencies when combined on the same channel, so separating them gives you a rich and present bass and clean Mid/High stereo frequencies. These are my opinions, but I often hear “for some reason, your guys’ sound system is the best we have heard at our venue.” It’s the little things that count IMHO. Hope this helps clarify! Thanks for asking!
Hi, thanks for the question! I have been experimenting with launching video with MT using a program called BOME Translator Pro. We don't have the hardware to do that with our band, yet. Here is the tool I use to get MID from MT to VLC on a laptop. www.bome.com/products/miditranslator
Thanks for the encouragement! here is what we use. www.amazon.com/Adapter-Compatible-Portable-Charging-Application/dp/B08DRGJLF5/ref=sr_1_10?crid=1GWA9J78A41T6&keywords=camera+adapter+to+ipad&qid=1675533445&s=electronics&sprefix=Camera+adapter%2Celectronics%2C170&sr=1-10
KV stems use 320 mp3 as far as I can remember. Surely upgrading them to wav stems is pointless? If not why would you need to use wave? Thanks for these videos.
Hi Steve. You are absolutely correct. At the time of this video I had a long history of creating my own backing tracks entirely with my own instruments and vocals. I would render them as .wav for lossless audio. KV is as you indicated at 320, and even if it wasn't, rendering as a .wav file is illogical. So, you are absolutely right. I need to do a 2.0 video to address all errors such as this from this original video. Thanks for your encouragement!
Yes. You don't need iCloud, watch this video of mine and go to 4minute mark. I need to issue some updates to this video, but check this one out for a better way to transfer files ua-cam.com/video/m5slBHsIJcY/v-deo.html
Is it possible to operate this ap like a looper? E.g. I create songs with parts A, B and C... and it should repeat part A until I trigger (via midi) to go to part B, etc I want to create tracks for people to jam live, but have some of the instruments that will not be available live (keys, horns, etc)
John please help here. I'm a solo running tracks from my Microsoft Surface laptop and a Zoom HN4. i FEEL like a dj most nights instead of a musician. ARE there any apps for Android like Multi tracker. I use VLC and Windows music player and they are great but not efficient for loading playlists. It is very intense trying to find the next song while playing the current song and trying to not have my head buried in the screen while playing guitar and singing. Thank you. HELP
Hi Andy. I have searched extensively for a Multitracker for Android, but there is nothing other than Cubasis, which is a DAW. If you had an iPad you could use Multitracker first and foremost as it runs smoothly on older used iPads that you can get for lower cost. Even so, an iPad 7th gen 10.2 runs Multitracker just fine. IOS has another app called Stage Traxx 3 for your scenario but it is a bit more hungry for CPU. It looks like that if you use a tablet for backing tracks it is either an Android with a DAW like Cubasis, or an iPad with Multitracker or Stage Traxx3. Sorry.
Ive been using this app for a couple of years now. Its the only app that will play midifiles in sync with audio backing tracks. I use a Digitech Vocalist Workstation and it needs to hear midi notes to vocoder the notes for some of my harmony parts. Multitracker does the trick. The only thing it doesnt do right now is lyrics. Sebastian has said they coming now for more than a year but so far ...nothing. Maybe you could send him a request for a lyrics function as well. Squeaky wheel gets the oil. Great video.
Our band has been using multitrack since 2020 based on your videos. Up until now we've been running just a simple split out of the headphone jacket (Click/Cues to drummer and tracks to FOH). I see you're using the Behringer UMC1820 to send 4 outs (Click, Cues, Bass and FOH). Do you know how many signals I can split when I connect the Multitracker App to the UMC1820? (I hope that question makes sense)
I fully understand your question. The UMC1820 works well for us, and we are up to 7 different channels because we run stereo. 1/2 is R/L backing tracks, 3 is Bass, 4 is Click, 5/6 is R/L percussion and 7 is for Triggers/Cues. There are 8 outputs that you can route, but another user shared a catch with me that I didn't know, because we run everything stereo. Channels 3 through 8 can run independently, but 1 and 2 are hardware linked as a stereo output. I would try to run stereo, if possible. You don't need two stereo instruments like we do (percussion and FOH). You can run one stereo and the rest independent. Or you can run 3 stereo and a click and cue channel independently. Truthfully, the more separation, the happier the band and soundman. Thanks for the question!
Love the features but the headphone output on my ipad is really low. I can play the same files in other apps in my ipad and the volume is normal. Same file played through multitracker set to go to the headphone at full blast is 50% then same file played through other apps. All that said the headphone out was still plenty strong enough to feed the PA. Had the drummer use the output of the interface (Volt 2) which was plenty loud. This is a killer app. I totally recommend it.
Is it possible to route a certain track to more than one output on the interface? For instance, with regards to how you've routed your session in this video, can you send your main instruments to the stereo out 1/2 AS WELL as output 4?
Yes, you most certainly can. Also, since you can route each track to multiple outputs, you can also route them only to the left or right channel of that output, if you want. Each track can be routed, literally, however you wish, to as many as you wish .
Yes, IOS is very flexible. Obviously the iPad 2, 3 or 4 has a slight possibility of some compatibility issues, but the interface would have to be very new with a very new chipset for that to be the case.
Hey John Rence from Monterey , so this weekend we’re playing LoS Gatos , and usually I don’t bring a back up anymore ( using zoom R8) for some reason I thought let me import the files to multitrack just in case , we’ll…. Guess what during sound check the zoom R8 starting acting weird , well I had not choice but to use multitrack and it worked great , don’t know why made me back up and use MT , but it saved me as I stopped bringing a back up, well from now on my zoom is going to be my back up ha ha ha , only worry I had was I’m using my. iPad mini , thanks aging for all you videos
That is good news (sort of, but a bummer for your zoom r8). We have used the iPad for a few years, and it is pretty solid. I want to see you guys play sometime!
Hey John you got me hooked, i love it. Your videos are great. I put it on my 4th Gen ipad and the demos worked, but i added one of my ownthat i downloaded and all heck broke loose. I guessing its time to upgrade my ipad. Do yoiu mind me asking what ipad you have?
Indeed, I have an iPad Air gen 1. It works great. There are reasons that importing stems would not playback properly. The most common reason is that the stems vary in length. Remember, stems in a given song all must be the exact same length. Feel free to ask questions!
Hello thanks for all your videos , I have a question I noticed that when I group songs together and say I've done medlys, when sliding the slider to say 2o mins to get to a certain song it crashes any idea doesn't do it on just 1 song by itself thanks again
Hi! Thanks for the encouragement. My thought is that there may be a bit of a resource issue. I am wondering if you could use MP3 or flac files. One regret I have about this video is that I encourage the use of .wav files (since they are lossless) but compressed audio seems just as good for live. Also put the files in a DAW and make sure that all tracks are exactly the same length. if not, from within your DAW set the loop handles (if in DAWs other than Ableton) and export the stems. With Ableton, select all in the arranger view and choose Consolidate and it will set all lengths perfectly, then export the stems. Let me know if I answered or completely missed the point LOL.
John, great video. I bought this app to use based off your helpful sharing. Can you repost the vocal cue download? I get an error when trying to download, saying it's no longer there.
what a great discovery, I have been waiting for something like this for a long time, thank you very much! Ps.: I was using “prime” and “playback” apps, but I’m changing it right now.
Suggestion: the configuration of the transport bar in live view could be start /pause(same button), stop,, previous, next... 🤓 The previous button would be of great help because the playlist can have many songs on certain occasions, so we would lose some time until returning to the previous track just by selecting the next button.
@@kabassa I had to see it to believe it! I never noticed that. The button config you suggest is a great idea! I plan to email Sebastian to suggest it. He can maybe put the choice for button config in the General settings. This is because the Stop button accomplishes the Rewind function and the Start/Pause could toggle play and a Previous and Next buttons could be underneath them. That was how I configured my MIDI controller for Ableton Live when we were using it (before we turned to Multitracker), because we would jump around to different songs (a nightmare for the drummer!). Again, thanks!
@@CaliforniaCreedence great, I agree with , the stop button is not really necessary, to be able to choose the button layout configuration would be great too, I just hope this is easy to implement. Nice app anyway. Thanks for sharing it.
You sure can! The Green River track was completely self made, but now I get allltracks from karaoke-version.com but some tracks I completely make myself, Like I made my own tracks for Purple Rain. Definitely feel free to share! Thanks.
Hi there Is there a way to use this app in a way that the click goes into the drummer's mix? What interface did you use to split the mix between house and in ears?
Yes, routing the click to the drummer is not problem. MT has unlimited routing options. We currently use the Behringer UMC1820 because it is one of the cheaper multi-out interfaces and is rugged for the active band.
Hi Junior. You don’t need an audio interface. I use an audio interface because we run stereo. Truthfully, you could run it all from the headphone jack. To isolate the click, there are a lot of videos that show how to hard pan, but Multitracker lets you specify which (right or left) channel that you want each track to go to.
Thanks for the encouragement Orencio! If all iPad are under the same username/account (which mine all are on one account) you can install it on multiple iPad with a single purchase.
How you do with the storage? Because I have like 60 songs in multitracker and is like 70Gb but is in the storage of the ipad and I want it to be storage in icloud automaticallt after I add a new song can someone helo me? I really need help
You can batch convert to mp3, do you only have an iPad? Batch concert works best on a windows or Mac computer. I know I said o use .wav, but users are having success with mp3
John, you talk about your tracks being on the iCloud, does that mean you are always at the mercy of WiFi connection to access your tracks at various venues? I want the files on my iPad and accessible to Multitracker no matter the WiFi. Thanks for any help! Great video. I've been using track since the 80's, through all types of technical phases. I'm trying to get off as Ableton Live, as I make the tracks at home on ProTools. John talks about his tracks being on the iCloud, does that mean you are always at the mercy of WiFi connection to access your tracks at various venues? I want the files on my iPad and accessible to Multitracker. Thanks for any help!
You don't need iCloud, watch this video of mine and go to 4minute mark. I need to issue some updates to this video, but check this one out for a better way to transfer files ua-cam.com/video/m5slBHsIJcY/v-deo.html
Such a cool video, thank you so much....Question I am new to backing track with wired inears and have a Behringer 404HD. If I follow your templating what is a good config for stereo audio on 1 &2. then what is the config for cue and click... this is combo midi and convered midi to audio file.... Can't thank you enough for making the light come on with this excellent tutorial...
The 404HD is perfect for your setup! Get the camera adapter for your iPad. It will detect outputs 1 through 4 AND MIDI routing through your 404HD. Multitracker can drive both. For audio, in Song Configuration tab, tap the Green OUT Button, select both outs 1 and 2 BUT don’t pick the 2 UNDER the 1, but the 2 diagonal from the 1 (this is for each audio track for front of house). It is great that all of your backing tracks are stereo. So each FOH channel needs to be routed to 1 and the diagonal 2 outputs (hence, stereo). This can be copied to subsequent songs, so the first song is a little work. Regarding the click and cue tracks, I would route both to output 4 ONLY. Even if the click/guide is stereo, it will be sent mono to the ears. 3 would not be used at all. This video of mine ua-cam.com/video/p_WJ3D8gxUc/v-deo.html shows how to route the click and cue to a muted channel and routed to Aux or in ears. If you don’t have a mixer with this flexibility, get a Behringer Microamp HA400 Ultra-Compact 4-Channel Stereo Headphone Amplifier and have each band member tap into it with a headphone extension and connect it directly to the output 4 of the 404HD. The 404HD midi out can communicate MIDI via 5 pin din to your hardware that is MIDI sequenced to a .mid file to load into Multitracker. All audio and MIDI tracks must be the same length/tempo per song. Did this answer the question? Let me know. Thanks. I plan to do another video on MIDI with Multitracker.
@@CaliforniaCreedence Looks like I made the right decision(yeah) - I have the headphone amp (4) and a USB 502 behringer. that I was trying to accomplish but ran out of pathways..I get the 404hd on the 5th of Jan. Thank you for your quick reply. Your band is hot,hot hot. I'm a solo keyboard player with converted trracks thru logic. I hope the gigs return for you... thank you again. checking out your like above...
Excellent video amigo... i just got it with Just audio & effects... but i have a problem... the start bottom is not working... i click on it and the track does not start... can u help me with this please??? thanks
We can start simple first. See if (in Settings) under General and 8 rows down there is a "Number of Taps for Start Button in Live View" and see if it is set to 1 or if it is a different value.
@@KaneyBand Okay, then the next thing is a little more complicated. This may be happening because when you are in configuration mode, you have to click the green OUT button and assign outputs before it will play. If you need more in depth help, feel free to email me at johnobrien@californiacreedence.com or call/text me with the number I provide in response to an email.
Is there a quick/easy/painless method to transfer all of my MT files/data/midi to a second iPad for backup purposes? The second iPad already has a fully “unlocked” version of MT on it. Will this be an iTunes thing? Thanks!
Hey John. Great video. I've started building backing tracks with click on Multitracker. I'm not sure about the setup from the iPad to front of house and headphones. Do I need some sort of mini desk mixer in between ? Obviously need to be able to separate the click from the rest and send both to my headphones (drummer) and just the backing tracks to the desk.
Finding a cheap way to do this, is a little tricky, and can involve a lot of different approaches. A method that may cost some money is to start with having a mixer that has at least 4 AUX outputs with PRE/POST fader toggle option. In this case, each AUX goes to wired or wireless in ear monitors. Then, isolate the click to its own output (like right or left if only using the headphone out, or a channel output on a multi output audio interface attached to your iPad). Send the click to a channel on the mixer that is muted and the fader all the way down and this channel AUX is set to PRE-Fader. This way, the click goes only to the ears and the rest goes to the front of house. This is a video I made about stereo, but has a routing section at 2:35. Here is the video. ua-cam.com/video/p_WJ3D8gxUc/v-deo.html And this might be what you are looking for if you are on a budget. ua-cam.com/video/GGRgkYFTR_k/v-deo.html
John, do you know if Multitracker works with Bluetooth midi? I’m planning to get a Bluetooth Midi board with 4 switches and it says it can send midi messages via Bluetooth. Please advise when you get a chance. Thanks 🙏
Yes. It works great! Unfortunately, I broke the USB port on the UI24R during a show when I tripped over the USB cord. Otherwise we used to go direct into the UI24 until that fateful day. A friend who specializes in electronic repair said that replacing that port was no small task. So, I bought the behringer audio interface becuse Guitar Center accidentally sold it to me for $99 (UMC1820), so I held them to their quote and got it. I am planning to buy another UI24R and go back to using the USB port eventually.
@@CaliforniaCreedence ok, great That's good to know. We use our Bass Players UI24R so I cant wait to try it. Just hope we don't trip over the cables and suffer the same fate with a broken usb port. thanks again for the info.
@@tskip2112 There are 4 "Virtual Channels" in the UI24R specifically designed not to burn any of the 24 channels on up to 4 backing tracks. It is an excellent digital mixer. I am excited for you!
I am currently using Mainstage on a Mac for our backing tracks but looking for something easier that is comparable, I use a midi pedal to start the next track, is the same function available on this App?
@@CaliforniaCreedence Thanks for that John, I will be using a midi cable from the ipad to the interface but it will be the same as for blue tooth I guess. Cheers
No, you can't. That is one difference from Ableton. Tempo and key can't be changed. That is why I settle these settings with the singer and the band before creating stems. Nevertheless, we are a few years deep into MT, and still find it more relevant to the full-band paradigm than the other app on the market (which favors more of a solo artist or duo). Thanks for the encouragement!
@@rockingsurfer1 Yes, if Stage Traxx made a better interface and integrated MIDI tracks, I think I would switch. I own both of these apps, but simply can't see Stage Traxx as relevant yet for more professional use. It's almost there! Thanks!
John - excellent video for an excellent product. A few quick questions if you please. You mentioned that you switched from Ableton because it was too hard to see on stage. I agree. Did you ever investigate making a custom iPad-based controller using something like TouchOSC or touchAble? Is there a noticeable quality difference between using wav vs 320k MP3 files? Using karaoke-version stems, they're only available as mp3 files. Do use them as mp3 files or convert them to wav files? Have you tried using Multitracker to control DMX lighting using a midi file?
Thanks for the positive feedback! Q1 - Yes, I always used a controller with Ableton, but I was noticing on our older live videos (many of which are taken down) that I was seen constantly leaning toward the laptop and squinting to verify what song was next. Q2 - I only use .wav files because, before I discovered K-V, we made our own backing tracks, and saved the stems as .wav, but 320 Mp3 is perfectly fine. Mp3 converted to .wav does not increase sound quality at all. The downloaded quality is the best you will get. I convert to .wav for track consistency with our old ones. I often have to fix K-V tracks, and I have a video on how to stabilize bpm in K-V tracks. Q3 - DMX for lights works fine with MT, the only problems people are experiencing is (with old lighting systems) getting the sysex file out of their old system. Newer MIDI note driven DMX works great when put on a MIDI file track in Multitracker.
@@CaliforniaCreedence - Thanks for the quick reply. Q1 Yes, I tried using a Launchpad but with no feedback you couldn't be sure you selected the correct track. And you needed a piece of paper with the mapping of the songs to the buttons. I see that something like TouchOSC should allow you create big buttons mapped to Ableton scenes. Q2 - I was wondering for consistency whether you'd convert the MP3 to wav. Q3 - thanks for the info. I was thinking about making the midi lighting tracks in Ableton using DMXIS and exporting the midi file to use with MT
@@oleniacz I may try to see what Ableton can do. I plan to upgrade to 11 just because. I convert to .wav out of paranoia, but I could probably leave them as mp3. It sounds like your DMX would go smoothly into Multitracker.
@@CaliforniaCreedence I haven't decided whether to jump to 11 yet. I'd be curious to know what others are using for software/hardware to run DMX lights using MT midi files.
Hi John, I’m getting started with Backing tracks using MultiTracker2.2 and an Allen and Heath CQ-20B. I connect an iPad Air4 to the CQ using a USB C to USB B cable. I am able to assign tracks to the channels on the mixer and save the song. I am able to play the tracks and they come though the mixer. If I shut down the app and the mixer and then restart the mixer and MultiTracker the channel assignments revert to the first channel for all tracks for the song. It seems random and doesn’t happen with every song. Any thoughts ?
Hi Ronny, I am giving a quick response for the moment. When you associate tracks to USB channels in the digital mixer, these numbers are hard coded for the song. For example, if I have a Behringer UMC 1820 and I create all my songs where I assign click and cues to channel 4, bass to channel 3 and stereo backing tracks to 1&2 (1 being left and 2 being right). Then, after saving the song in multitracker, I shut it all down and the next day I grab a Presonus VLC44 with 4 outputs to use instead, then all of my songs saved with the click/cues to 4, bass to 3 and stereo backing tracks to 1&2 (1 bing left and 2 being right) will automatically go to those outputs on a completely different device. The next day I grab my UI24R digital mixer to play my backing tracks then then all of my songs saved with the click/cues to 4, bass to 3 and stereo backing tracks to 1&2 (1 bing left and 2 being right) will automatically go to those outputs on that device. However, lets say I have an audio interface with just a left and right output (output 1 is usually left and 2 is usually right), then you will not hear any bass or click/cues because those channels couldn't be found and the output number never changes from how you saved it in MT. It's always assigned as you saved the song. Multitracker is stubborn and won't reassign any outputs, it will stick to the output number that the song was saved as, even if the audio device doesn't have that output number. So, the changes you are seeing likely are happening in the Allen and Health (I envy your device by the way). I looked at the manual for your device and it looks fairly simple but must be saved as a scene and recalled, I believe. Also, my video here may have some significance, but I think you already know what you are doing. ua-cam.com/video/Xu2joKnKBcg/v-deo.html Let me know if I didn't understand the question or missed the mark on the answer. Thanks for the question!
Thank you so much for the response. I will look at the scenes and pass on my findings. I was hoping MT persisted the track assignments but when they got corrupted I didn’t know if this was going be worth it. The A&H mixer is pretty cool probably way overkill for our little garage band. The Multitracker app has helped us step our game a lot.
@@ronnygriffith5422 no, when I configure a song, I save it periodically while configuring it and then be sure to save it before closing it in configure mode. The green button “out” numbers remain fixed to the output number across audio interfaces. Prior to working on songs, I decide output number for all songs (4=click, 1/2=R/L FOH, 3=Bass FOH, 5/6=Drum tracks R/L, Cues=7). I know mine is complex. In Playlist mode, the initial play of the very first song after starting the iPad and app may not play correctly. I start a song in playlist briefly. Stop it. Then select another song and it played just fine from then on. I do database backups and export all audio files to a thumb drive if I need the same setup on another back up iPad. I hope this helps.
John - I just scratching the surface using backing tracks - Question - where do the backing tracks come from used in the DAW. Does the band record them ahead of time or do you purchase them online.
Good question. I use Karaoke-version, and the MP3 files are 320, so they don't need to be converted to .wav and the songs are $3 each, so that is really good.
@John O'Brien thanks John..I use them as well. I will have to spend more time figuring out how to download tracks of a song separately so that I can use or omit tracks as needed depending on which band member can't make the gig. Maybe you should do a video on that...I subscribed to your channel. Thanks again for the quick response.
@@rickyrocket12 I sure can, there has been requests to do more on MIDI with MT. I have a video on how to download individual tracks from Karaoke-version and set them up in MT, I can give youbanlink to that a little later.
You seem to have a LOT of songs. that's got to be taking up a huge amount of disk space on the iPad if your loading all the stems for every song. What's the capacity of your ipad?
I might try the app. But 2 track (click/Cues Rt, Track Lt) and connect the iPad direct into a USB Port on a TF Rack. No Interface required that way. Of Course very limited without all the stems. Thanks for the info and Video. Band sounds great.
This is an IOS app, but only the iPad IOS, so if you search for the app with your iPhone you won't see it. If you search for the app on an iPad you will find it. Thanks for asking!
Thanks for your video. I’m consider to use multitrack for live performance. Do you think that Will work with one of this mixer: zoom l12, sound craft 12 mtk. I mean I want you use one of this mixer as audio interface thanks Silvio
Thanks for the feedback! I would go with the Zoom if you are looking at backing tracks to individual outputs. The only bad thing is that you only get 4 for tracks. 1 and 2 for stereo left and right and you could use 3 for bass and 4 for click/cues. The Behringer XR18 would be the best, but if you need Faders, then I guess the Zoom would be a better choice. I will look into doing a video on the Compressor settings. Thanks!
@@CaliforniaCreedence thanks for info. We are 4 elements (drum bass voice and guitar) and play pop dance music from 80 so we need just 2 track: one stereo for synth/keyboard/fx and one mono for click.
@@CaliforniaCreedence do you think that Behringer U-Phoria UMC204HD could be work well with Multitracker (just in case we have problem with mixer in live)
@@CaliforniaCreedence sorry but I have another question….if you have 2 different sound card how do you manage it? I mean you create and save every song for every sound card or there is a fast way ? Thanks
Hi David, the trigger track is separate from the click and calls out the structure of the song. Professionals call this the Cue Track. Since all of our monitoring is in-ear, the trigger tells us what the song is (e.g. "Sweet Home Alabama!" ---"Intro!"----"One-Two-Three-Four!"). During the song, the trigger track (or Cue Track)calls out when the chorus is, the bridge, the solo the verse the outro. For example, the click is telling us the tempo of the song to which we are to stay in time with the backing tracks. The trigger is the voice that tells us where we are in the song so that we coordinate with the backing tracks (without the triggers, we may accidentally be playing a verse when chorus backing track vocal harmonies are where the song is.) We separate the click and vocal triggers (Verse! One-Two-Three-Four) so each band member can put them at different volumes. The drummer may want a stronger click and the singer may want stronger vocal triggers (or cues as they call them in Ableton). Hope the response wasn't too long!
Hi Frank. This app won't do that. It is a "one shot" player. Your question brings up a potentially cool feature that could be added. Right now, the setting "Move to next song" only loads the next song, but still requires the user to launch it. It would be cool if there was a setting for "continuous play with crossfade" option (setting the gapless time like in Spotify) and the beginning of songs would be the "markers" in case the continuous-play had to be stopped because a band member wasn't ready. The focus of this app is on flexibility regarding mixing/routing independent tracks/clicks and cue tracks. Currently, our band has a medley of Smooth (By Santana) to Oye Como Va, but we have to create that as one song. That is how we overcome the crossfade limitation. I like the idea! I will pass this on to Sebastian (you can feel free to do the same. He is very personable.)
Oops, I just noticed in my own video that you can tap the "Pause Between Songs" to toggle On or Off. The only missing piece is the Spotify gapless feature. So it is rather close to being what you are looking for, if requested. Good point!
@@CaliforniaCreedence Thanks John...I'm intending on using this app in a worship scenario...many of those situations use a synth pad underneath (being played at the same time as a song)...you can keep the pad underneath and when the song is over, it reemerges as ambient sound. You then crossfade into a new pad (if in a different key) then start the next song...pretty cool! Lots to think about, but this app has a lot of capabilities I'm not getting with other playback systems and I don't need something as extensive as Ableton live.
If we got a crossfade function in the app, I'd simply put the synth pad into each song and when the band is ready to switch I'd push button for the next song which would crossfade out of the previous one into the new one.
@@frankirr9996 That is a great idea! I also play on a worship team as a keyboardist. I do those transitions live (the 4 over 5 of the upcoming song always creates a smooth transition to any key). Also, if Pastor is speaking or praying I hold those pads. You could do that in Ableton, but not with this app, so far.
I can give you access to some of my files through my OneDrive. I can send you a link. You download them and unzip them and they are ready to install. My email is johnobrien@californiacreedence.com I can email you a link. I can send a list of songs I have and give you a few to get up and running.
Hi John, I can't find the words to thank you for all your videos tutorials and congratulate you for the professionalism and clarity with which you work and explain every single step. I was trying to test Multitracker and I would like to ask you for advice, maybe I am doing something wrong and I don't know how to fix. In my live show I play 70s / 80s dance medley lasting about 20/30 minutes which are composed of songs that follow one another, without a break and always in time. With Multitracker I thought to load every single song (also to be able to resume the show in the chosen song in case of unexpected interruptions). The problem I encountered is that, from the end and the beginning between every single song, there is always a small delay that affects the timing of the dances. Do you think i’m doing something wrong? thanks again, I often review all your videos because they are fantastic ... Pier
Hi, thanks for the kind words! There should not be a pause between songs. Will have to test this out. We are using an iPad air first gen. There are a host of solutions via midi trigger. For instance, you can create a full 45 minute set as one file and use the midi remote control feature to put locator points for you to seamlessly jump around your set with no pause, or to pause your set and start up again at a specific point. I will be doing a video to explain these tricks with MIDI in another video, soon. If you need a step by step to set up
@@CaliforniaCreedence thanks John, excellent solution you suggest, I am grateful to you. If you make a video on the subject it would be of enormous help to me. Pier (Italy)
Hi, thanks for your kind words! Yes, this app allows you to create a database configuration of your entire setup. If you put the files and folders on another iPad with Multitracker (folders set up in Multitracker), the database will copy the mix and configuration of your previous iPad to the second (backup) iPad. We do this as a band. Did that answer your question? Or did I go a different direction than you were looking for?
Hi John, Thanks for your info. The big question for me is whether multitracker is stable when performing live. Has the app ever crashed or dropped out during a song? Thanks in advance!
We have used this app live for a couple of years. No issues. As good or better than Ableton Live, which used to be our Bread and Butter. It has never faulted during rehearsals and sound checks, as well. So far, zero crashes. We used it successfully on iPad Air First Gen, iPad 7th gen and iPad 8th gen. We have used it with the following interfaces, Presonus 44VSL, Soundcraft UI24, Behringer Uphoria 1820, Steinberg UM28, and the onboard audio interface in the Yamaha Montage 7 flawlessly. Here is what I would keep an eye on, one of the lightning to USB adapter had clicks and pops during rehearsal (it boasted USB 3.0 but had poor data transfer. Stay away from those) so test out and have 2 good camera connectors on hand. The camera connectors with the charging port help out a great deal. Nevertheless, the ones that look super simple, with no charging port, are amazing. The power in the iPad can support 3 45 minute sets. Almost all camera connectors are okay, we just had one that boasted USB 3.0 turned out to be the one that clicked and popped.
@@CaliforniaCreedence Hi John, Thanks for your answer. We now use Ableton but if it is just as stable or maybe even better, I will certainly experiment with it.
@@RootZBandLive this is my how-to regarding launching via Bluetooth. It was a gig we scheduled to give our female vocalist a no-pressure try out. ua-cam.com/video/m5slBHsIJcY/v-deo.html
Question regarding monitoring: I’m planning to use a setup similar to yours for leading worship at my church. How are you guys monitoring the song cues or what equipment would you recommend. We are currently using standard monitors. Thanks! Blessings!
It depends what the budget is for your church. Personally, I prefer all in-ear. MT uses a camera connector to a (at least 4 channel) audio interface. The Click and Cues would be routed to a muted channel on the mixer and and routed to aux channels pre-fader. An easy way would be to replace your wedges with Xvive U4's to go all IEM. Then you can freely route the click and cues to the monitors. See this video I did. ua-cam.com/video/Ru42mtceq9M/v-deo.html BTW I am a Christian and did worship for 28 years. Backing tracks are a great idea to help the leader with staffing (tracks can replace players if needed) and practice (dispense the backing tracks to allow musicians to practice at home exactly as the song will be played. Makes them more confident which really helps with worship).
Wow! Thanks so much! Yeah budget a bit tight but small church is growing so that may change. We can start humble but as the Lord provides we can expand the system. Thanks so much for all your great videos and advice!
The one main issue I been having is not able to cross fade the next dance song when the dance floor is packed with people. I have to wait till the song completely ends before I can start the next song. People start leaving the dance floor because of the gap ☹️ Is there a way I can manually trigger the next song as I see the current song is about to end? Thanks for any response of advice
If in Live view, double tap the upcoming song in grey and this will reveal a couple more buttons “PAUSE” and “NEXT”. The NEXT button will launch the next song immediately upon pressing it. However, If you deploy tracks from the Playlist view you will see a button to the left of the STOP button with the title of the next song. If you hit that, it will immediately launch the next song. HOWEVER be sure to go to SETTINGS>GENERAL and switch on the “Next” Button starts the next song.”
@@reclavea it will abruptly stop it. I just noticed the term crossfade, MT doesn't do that. MT can be put on multiple iPads and you could cross fade between the two, but that seems a little cumbersome.
@@CaliforniaCreedence 👍🏻…..I’ve never really had any issues using the app for my gigs since I purchased it in 2018 👍🏻 It’s only when I landed this regular dancing 💃🏽 gig at the Hilton Hotel here ☹️ The time between dance songs is a detriment and effectively very negative on my show performance ☹️ Do you know if Stage Traxx 3 addresses this issue?
@@reclavea i own stage traxx 3 and I am not aware of a crossfade. I agree, we have a rapid-fire profile to keep the dance floor full, but I also DJ and beat matching and crossfade keep the floor full. People can only really tolerate about 2 minutes of a particular song at the most. I have retired my Traktor Kontrol completely and now only use the apple app djay which has amazing audio routing options!
John, is there a way to change the Key of a song with in the app? Also have you been able to get a hold of the programmer do you know if he will be doing any updates to the app by the way I love all of your videos I just set up an in ear system because of one of your videos.
I finally got a response from the developer. He says that he is working on a significant update, but something must have happened with him in 2021. I was kind of worried about him, I sent a concerned email, and he responded. It looks like 2022 is his next big update, and he is taking to heart all of my suggestions. Key change was one of them. Isn't that Xvive IEM great?!! If you got one.
@@CaliforniaCreedence Thank you for getting back to me I am Glad to here this.. I love this program and your Videos are so Helpful. So i was not sure what to do about an in ears system I have little money and a small Yamaha MG10u Mixer and then i saw your video on how to setup A small wired in ear system using multi tracker and I purchased the beringer power play 8 channel HA8000.. Love it Keep up the Great work with the Videos it helped me alot... Much appreciated.
@@danielmcnulty9507 if you use karaoke version, you can download or redownload in a different key. I have Ableton live. That is how I Key change. You have export from MT, change key in your DAW, then reimport it into MT.
Hi John, Thanks for a great review/tutorial on Multitracker. I want to give it a try now! Quick question, using the Midi out feature can I add cues that trigger during runtime to change for instance the lyric page on another iPad maybe using Bluetooth and the Yamaha MD-BT01? I've seen the Bluetooth scroller foot switch but it would be cool to have the page flip at the right time built in to the track. Thanks! Tod.
Although I have never tried this, MT can send out MIDI data via BT. I would suggest using note data to turn pages, but I could be wrong. Here is the catch with an ipad. Be sure to create a virtual MIDI port in your iPad with an app called MIDI mittr. That will allow you to route traffic to and from the iPad via bluetooth. Sounds exciting. But, YES you can have a MIDI track flowing with the song to sent that data. Be sure that the MIDI track is the exact same length/Tempo as the audio file
@@CaliforniaCreedence Thanks John! And if you come to Las Vegas and forget your bass man, I'm your new bass player! I looked over your set list while you were demoing and I know them all! Big Credence fan. Best, Tod :)
Hey again, John! Thanks to your spectacular videos on Multitracker, I’m now an avid user for my band’s live shows. One important question for you as Sebastian hasn’t been too responsive as of late: How do you seamlessly create a backup with all audio files, songs, and configurations on another iPad? Although I’ve never experienced any major issues during live shows, it frightens me a bit at the prospect of something going down on one iPad. I need to have a backup on my other iPad. The in-app database operations haven’t been sufficient for me. If you have any experience with this, I’d appreciate your expertise. Thanks!
Hi, I just copy here, the hard-won knowledge I have put in the main section, although I know it is some time since you asked, it’s pretty relevant, probably forever, if you use ipads, take care, her’s a copy of my comment…Interesting and I liked the songs you guys put together. For those concerned about ipads ‘crashing’ I have an undocumented tip that if you think about it, it makes a lot of sense: keep about 75Gb ‘free’ space on your ipad. iOS/iPadOS is getting bigger and hungrier. On an iPhone the same ‘feature’ holds true but maybe ‘only’ 30Gb to 55Gb is needed free on the SSD. I have urged Apple on their forum to make some guidelines on this available but of course, Apple have made such a huge issue out of the amount of memory you buy as it has to be in-built at purchase, and is fixed forever on mobile devices of theirs. My concrete evidence for this, is that when using GarageBand on my iPad Pro 2, time and again, apps would develop terrible problems, which I then found reflected in reviews in the app store - but my experiments showed clearly that with only one change to your setup (removing data or apps until I got 55Gb minimum free on my iPad Pro 2 SSD), all problems with that app vanished. I left a review to this effect on the app store, and recommended to other users they check this aspect before blaming the Developer - this is not out of love for developers, only out of wanting to ‘bottom’ what the actual issue is. FYI it was the Moog Model15 apps that seemed to play up, but also a different Dev’s apps, AND indeed GarageBand itself. It appears AUV3 is very sensitive to a low amount of SSD being available (so-called ‘disk space’). Other apps included the Zeeon synth app, and all were by experienced respected developers - still no word from Apple. Bear in mind, the iOS only takes up about 10Gb or so officially? Some people might double that and think that’s all the space they need. It’s not. 55Gb MINIMUM must be free, that’s the borderline level on iPad Pro 2. After this, I bought a huge 14Gb backup drive, and a used iPad Pro M1 12.9” with all the bells and whistles (16Gb on board memory, SIM, and of course 2,000Gb of SSD!). Also FYI, it was pointless getting a lower spec than all-out, because they were the same price almost exactly - ie iPad Pro M1s with just 1Tb (half my iPad) were going for £1250 UKP. This is where Apple’s relentless advances now, help us, even at 6 months old, with 6 months of guarantee left, my latest, greatest iPad, was almost half price. That’s incredibly useful, because without that - and some back taxes! - I couldn’t have made the upgrade. Remember, MicroSoft corp recommend numbers like 200Gb or something be free on their OS, and I wouldn’t assume the differences in OS usage/needs for dropping files, and ‘working space’ for iOS/iPadOS would be much less, with similarly complex OS systems. The fact they are more compact than Microsoft is, is irrelevant - take it that the complexity of the tasks, and how they are accomplished, needs similar ‘open space’ for the apps to work with. And of course, Music is second only to Video, in how many aspects or threads, are juggled/plates spinning at the one time. Recap: 25 to 55Gb free on iPhones, 75Gb safely on iPads, and you won’t have any trouble from this aspect. Less, you can and will have features fail in apps, and glitches. All Apple have to do is raise their hand to admit to an absolutely necessary issue any OS has, but it would draw attention to that memory - it’s up to 100x more expensive remember than memory otherwise be bought. Carry on, and yes, I did use to be an IT man. Free other hot tip - do NOT copy a load of songs directly onto your Apple cloud drive, treating it like a ‘D’ drive in a Microsoft system, it ‘reacts’ by reflecting straight back, over the next couple of hours, all the data you just tried to shove up there. I’ve had a couple years of discussions on the forum about this, too - Apple to be fair, have quietly responded, without acknowledging it’s my feedback they listened too, by limiting this ‘mirroring’ of data copied to iCloud manually, to be 22% or so of your device’s overall SSD size - but hang on, I hear you say, if it’s only safe to keep about 75Gb ‘free’ on the iPad so apps run properly, and a fifth of say 512Gb on iPad’s SSD gets taken up by this weird iCloud kickback of data thing, that’s almost 200Gb taken up right there, with nothing useful?! Yes, so don’t do that thing I did, of copying a large quantity of songs, to the iCloud, because it does NOT remove it from your iPad, like if it were a ‘drive D’ on an MS PC say. It spends 2 hours mirroring it right back atcha. Don’t test it, I took that pain for you! Thanks for the vid, sorry to go on, it will save a lot of pain during somebody’s live show one day. I loved the songs, the guitar sounded great and the drums really popped. So long, from the slightly damp UK as we hit our Queen’s 70 year Jubilee celebration. I’m sure I have a small flag somewhere…
Thanks for the info! I do have a question. What if you're in a situation where you want to back to a particular point in a song? Can you do that with Multitracker? Or should I just stick with Ableton to do things like that? Thanks again!
Hi, thanks for the question. If you are referring to loop sections like with Ableton in Arranger view, Multitracker does not do that at this time. That is a feature that Ableton has over Multitracker (to jump to different points in the song with a MIDI trigger during a live performance). Very cool feature. I may suggest it to Sebastian (the app developer). Did I answer your question properly? Thanks.
Hi Kenneth. Thanks for your question! No. Some are completely done in my home studio. As you may hear on Green River it is not the Karaoke Version. Nevertheless, since discovering Karaoke-Version, it has been a major time saver. Sometimes I combine my own instrumentation, and our singer wants to sing her own backing tracks. They clearly sound better than the KV song on occasion. Still, KV does a pretty good job.
I am not the singer, but there is an app that will suit your needs for lyrics. I own it, as well. It is called Stage Traxx 3 and it most likely will be the best solution if you need scrolling lyrics. It works on iPhone, iPad and Mac. Thanks for asking!
Many are asking this, and we have not. 2 other users are trying it now, the only hitch is that the older sysex light systems need to be able to export their MIDI files to load into Multitracker. This looks like this is a good light controller for Multitracker - ADJ DMX Operator 384 384-Ch DMX Lighting Controller
@@CaliforniaCreedence Thanks for the quick reply. I'm looking around to see if there is an Ipad DMX controller app that can be installed on the same ipad as Multitracker and controlled with Multitracker's midi track. The Luminair app looks like it might.
Hey John Really informative video! I have adopted this App after watching. One question. When you are exporting your tracks from your DAW, do you 'pre mix' the song and export each track from the DAW at that pre mixed level, or do you export them at a common parity level and mix in Multitracker? Thanks in advance :)
Thanks Pete! It is best to set all stems at the same level when exporting from your DAW. Then, develop a system for arranging track order in Multitracker (click first, vocal cues, bass, drums etc.) then mix the first song in Multitracker the way you like. For future tracks, simply copy the mix of the song you dialed in (in the app), and paste it to subsequent new songs you create in Multitracker, thereafter. That is what I do. This is a superior way of launching tracks compared to others. I am glad you like it!
@@CaliforniaCreedence Thanks for the tips! My songs tend to have a differing mixture of tracks for each song (some have strings, some may have 2 synth parts etc, so I think I'll need to mix each song based on this. I look forward to building a show using this system. Cheers!
Hey John - Thanks for putting together this video. I have the same audio interface that you have but I'm not getting any sound to my Presonus. I set up the tracks like you show (routed to individual 1820 channels) and have lines coming out from the back of the interface to the mixer. Any thoughts on what I'm missing?
@@CaliforniaCreedence I did. So, like most guys I didn't read the instructions first. I didn't make any adjustments to the front of the panel; do either volume knobs play into it?
Curious...How do you charge your iPad while using it with an interface? Also, If I just wanted to send stereo tracks to the front of the house and only have the click with the drummer, could I get away with a two channel interface? Route the click to the headphone output? Or would the app need to see at least 4 actual outputs in order to route the click separately from the stereo tracks? Sorry for the long question. I tried to ask/think of it as best as I could. lol
Yes indeed. Good news for you all the way around. First, about the charging with the audio interface attached, use this device. Works great. www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07W92Q529/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 Secondly, great news again. To use a 2 channel usb audio interface and the headphone out to route the click to the drummer is no problem at all! Just plug in your USB audio interface, and you will see the 2 channel stereo R/L (or output 1 and output 2) appear. Then, once you plug headphones into the headphone jack BOOM! 2 more channels show! Headphone Output 1 (left) and Headphone output 2 (right). So, route tracks for FOH to the audio interface output 1 (left) and 2 (right) and the click to one or both headphone outputs to send to the drummer. Remember, the headphone ports will not show up in Multitracker until you actually plug in the headphone cord or extension to the iPad headphone port. Another little trick (if you want to go further) is get a y cord for the headphone out and route the click to only one of the headphone ports, and you have another port to route to the FOH for, say, bass tracks! All with just a simple 2 channel audio interface and the headphone out!
@@CaliforniaCreedence There's one more question I have concerning routing. Would I ( after setup from interface to multitrack ) be bale to take use my mixer as a headphone amp of sorts for the headphone input on my interface? Or would I need more outputs to begin with? My plan is to take the stereo outputs and patch them into inputs 1 & 2 of my mixer. I'd love to have the click go separately into input 3 of my mixer so I can have ' analog ' control of the volume as oppose to turning it down in multitracker. But I'm not sure if that's a possibility?
@@Nivej8180 So, what you would need to do is buy one of these: www.amazon.com/CableCreation-Y-Cable-Splitter-Players-Amplifier/dp/B01JY2IA6A/ref=sr_1_21?dchild=1&keywords=1%2F8+stereo+headphone+mono+splitter&qid=1629152175&sr=8-21 Plug the 1/8' end into your iPad headphone jack. This will give you outputs 3 (ipad headphone Left) and 4 (ipad headphone Right). So, you have 4 outputs. 1 and 2 would be your audio interface left and right. 3 and 4 would be your iPad headphone left and right, split into individual sends with the cable from Amazon. Direct the click to iPad headphone left (output 3 in this scenario) and plug it into channel 3 on your mixer. That would give you analog control over click independently. Your audio interface would just go into Channels 1 and 2 of your mixer. The headphone output of your audio interface would not be useful in this case. Remember, the iPad headphone out gives you the extra two channels in addition to your audio interface. I am not sure if I answered your question. Feel free to keep asking until I get it right. Thanks!
Hi Louis, This video involves tracks that I created on my own, but now, I get most of my tracks from Karaoke-Version. You have to be careful with Karaoke Version, because sometimes they a little cleaning up. So far, it has worked very well.
Anyone out there care to tell me what is needed to obtain backing tracks online and play with a solo guitarist? I'm not tech savvy need to know what devices are needed, interface or mixer interface?? Can both somehow be played through my practice amp at the same time ??? Replies appreciated,.
Hi Mike. The backing g tracks are obtained from Karaoke-version.com they are 3 bucks a song and when you download them, you can mute the click track and any other parts you don't want. It's a great deal. Let me know if you need help with setup.
This is a long answer. Sorry. First, to announce the song, we type the name in ms word, slow the speed of the text to speech in ms word and resample it. The triggers or cues are at bandcues.com and scroll down to "Download your free cues pack". Another thing to try is karaoke-version.com, buy your song for 2.99, then download the tracks you want. Match the BPM in your DAW and drop the vocal cues and click track at the appropriate place. I am going to do a video on how to do all of this, but we are doing a couple shows first. At the 1 minute mark of this video, I display the finished version of the tracks, but before these were finished and exported, the tracks, cues and click were synced in Cubase (it looks a lot different than what you see at 1 minute in this video).
Hi! Thank you , very clear tutorial vídeo; I have downloaded it today, but I can’t make it run multi output, I Connect headphones output works perfect, I connect the interface vial USB with the original camera kit and works, but it has to be one of both, once I connect one, the other stops the sounds; I can see both are running well, but just one sounds. I assigned correctly both output to both tracks in the song, actually I made it work just fine for one time, but I can’t make it anymore, anyone has the same problem? Thanks!
Hi Cardenas. I have done several tests and different scenarios, and it looks as if you cannot run both headphone and camera connector at the same time. I had the same experience. It worked once (heard signal and saw routing for both the USB Audio interface and Headphones one time and never again after that) which leads me to believe that it is not possible. If you want 4 separate outs, you have to get an audio interface with 4 outputs, it looks like. Sorry!
You can get tracks from karaoke-version.com. If you need help downloading and setting them up I have other videos on that, or I can walk you through it.
Hi Mark, there is not a lyric capability for this app. I think the app developer was focusing on backing tracks for full bands as opposed to individual performers who integrate lyrics with backing tracks. Sorry. This has been a popular request, and I have passed it on to the developer, but it has not yet been included, yet.
Yes. You conntect via iTunes app for windows. In iTunes you will see an icon of an iPad. Click on it. On the left, click file sharing, click on multitracker, a list of files may appear in the box on the right. Open another file explorer window and browse for the folder with your tracks. Drag that folder into the box on the right in itunes. Wait a couple minutes to allow the files to transfer. You will see the folder in that right side pane in a few minutes (when you highlighted multitracker in itunes) The files have been transferred to your iPad. To add them in multitracker, go to the file manager menu in MT, make a folder with the song name, select import, then select On My iPad, then Multitracker, find the folder you dragged and dropped from your pc and add the files. Thats it! You can do all of this while the iPad is still connected to itunes. So you can transfer as many folders you want for that iTunes session.
@@CaliforniaCreedence great, it seems that app will work for me.. i used to play multitracks with loopcommunity prime but now they only give you 300mb free cloud storage and i cannot be paying a monthly subscription.. i prefer to pay a single time for the app with full audio functionallity (no midi) and use my 128gb storage for all my multitracks.. just one last question.. whats the aproximate price in usd... cause on my ipad it says 499 but i dont know if its dollars or mexican pesos
@@davidcastro3897 The program Multitracker, if you buy all functionality, is a one time payment of $27 US dollars. That's all. If you just but the audio functionality it is 13 bucks! One time. It is equally as powerful as loopcommunity prime! I have used this for major shows, worship and more.
@@davidcastro3897 you will like it. The only thing is that I haven't found it able to loop a region during a song. But I never used that. Never needed it. I deploy songs as I programmed them with no spontaneous loops, and I am decent enough on keys to play atmosphere music for worship interludes (if you use it in houses of worship). Glad to help!
This is a "one shot" player. Although it is very powerful in delivering multitracks to an audio interface with multi outputs, it does not have the capabilities of Ableton (which I have been using since 2014 for backing tracks). Loop locators or verse/chorus locators are not a part of this app. The best setup for this app is at least a 4 output audio interface (cheap one is fine). Ipad sees the Presonus 44VSL, Behringer Uphoria interfaces, Soundcraft 24 Track mixer with an audio interface, Steinberg UR28M interface, even the audio interface in keyboards like the Yamaha Montage, pretty much whatever. Very powerful. I prefer multitracks at .wav files at 44.1 khz at 24 bit depth (a common resolution from ProTools, which I use, as well as, Cubase Pro 10.5). You can use Mp3's to save space, though, and that works fine. The routing for 4 outs would be outs 1 and 2 = R/L to the house, out 3 is if you have bass tracks (multitracker allows multi-routing), out 4 is for the click and vocal cues sent to a muted channel on the mixer and routed to in-ear monitor aux sends set to PreFader so that the click is in the ears but not in the house. Not sure if that helps. Thanks for the positive feedback!
@@quimzealex9629 Glad I can help. The iPad you are looking at in this video is our main performance iPad, the iPad Air First Gen (A7 64bit CPU and 1gb RAM. I have 128gb storage because I like to use .wav files). Our backup iPad is a newer iPad 10.2 with the A10 processor. Truthfully, Multitracker runs very lean and can easily run on an iPad Air First Gen (I wouldn't go older than that). iPad Air first gen is about 170 to 210 on ebay for one with 128gb storage. The new iPad 10.2 outperforms my 10.2 that I bought in April of 2020. The new 10.2 is superior as it uses the A12 cpu. Yes, it is a lofty 429.00 for the 128gb version (new). Our primary iPad for all shows is the iPad Air first gen and it experiences no resource overload. As I said, Multitracker is extremely resource lean for all that it does. If you can find a good deal on any iPad between those versions (Air 1st gen to the present), go for it. Just make sure to get the 128gb version. If you change your mind and want to use .wav files because mP3's don't sound as good (and you wanted to save a few bucks and got a 32 or 64gb version), you will regret not getting the 128gb storage.
@@CaliforniaCreedence Fantastic Brien Precious information Thank very much It would be great to have the locator markers(verse, chorus...) implemented in a next multitracker update
The joy that finding this app has provided!!!
Using this kind of setup live since 4 years to run some support backing tracks click and cues, doing large venue's with my band here in Portugal over 300 shows and never failed me (iPad with multitracker, Behringer umc404, and midi controller.) So flexible and reliable ! No more pc/Mac on stage with Ableton live it's a great solution too but once you move to multitracker there's no way coming back.
Great tutorial by the away !
I feel the same way! Thanks! We have had the same experience.
John talks about his tracks being on the iCloud, does that mean you are always at the mercy of WiFi connection to access your tracks at various venues? I want the files on my iPad and accessible to Multitracker. Thanks for any help!
@@kevinpaige5746 I forgot to reply to this. Now, I have an iPad 12 5th gen and I never use iCloud anymore. I simply dump the stems to a flash drive and connect it to my iPad. Then copy the files to my ipad in multitracker folder and I don't need any wifi or internet connection. Sorry for the delay in responding!
April 2023 i find this app amazing, thanks for the info.
Thank you for introducing me to the app and detailed tutorial. This saves me from bringing my computer to use Ableton just to run some simple tracks/click.
Thanks JT!
John, this video is exceptionally helpful, insightful and masterful. I would appreciate it immensely if you would make a follow up or pt. 2 which goes a bit more in-depth into your workflow from stem import to live. There are just a few areas in which I am uncertain, and your further clarification would be exemplary. Thanks man!
Thanks Justin. I plan to do so. We played a gig on December 5th, but here in California, lots of opportunities to demo this live have been canceled, so it is hard for me to accomplish my vision follow up UA-cam of showing deployment from the stage. I have some video from a small event from December 5th. Lots of cool stuff has been revealed to me by users. I will include that in a video. I thought it was necessary to create each folder for stems and import, but a user showed how you can just drag and drop the folders en-masse into your iPad. So much more efficient! After the holidays I will do a part 2. I did a custom backing track creation video, but that does not seem too popular. Seems folks are already up to date on that. So, I plan to stay focused on this. Stay tuned for a pt. 2! Again, thanks!
Really great, comprehensive and understandable ,even for German trombonist. Thx that much. Enjoy our live music enhanced.
Great overview for using Multitracker!!!
Outstanding! I found your other vid on doing just that and was able to work through it with your help! Looking forward to other nuggets. Super excited!👍🇨🇦
Thanks so much Joseph! Shout out to Canada!
This is such a blessing to find! Thank you so much for the cue tracks!
Thanks for the blessing! I put an easier to access link in the description. The Google Drive wouldn't let people download unless I approved each one, and I only checked that email infrequently. Again, thanks!
Subscribed by the way! Great job on your awesome tutorial video!
Thank you so much for this video. It definitely helps us get started.
A couple questions for you please. We are vocal group and we sometimes use a 4 to 5 piece band. We want to use multi tracker as we’ve had a musician help us with Ableton in the past. What interface do you suggest we need for all of our sequencing? Again, we have four part vocals and we will have vocal sweeteners, some extra horns, occasional secondary keys parts for padding, percussion and extra guitar. We want to be able to carry this on planes in our carry on luggage so the smallest one necessary of course would be the most beneficial to us. Thank you again.
@@TheModernGentlemen Hi, thanks for the encouragement! Performers who subscribe to my channel and have to fly to their gigs seem to enjoy this one, but there are some fixes to apply and you may need a powered hub depending.
ua-cam.com/video/OWaoMf5XUcA/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared
There are “audio snobs” who “poo-poo” this device, but I never hear that these folks make it out of their garage. Performing professionals have used it. I don’t like the RCA outs but traveling performers like the 8 outs in a usb playback device that can fit in carry on. I prefer the UMC1820, personally.
@@CaliforniaCreedence thanks. I’ll check it out.
@@TheModernGentlemen Wow! You guys are Pro!! Probably should have had a more gentlemanly response! Keep in mind Multitracker is going to have a significant update coming out this fall.
@@CaliforniaCreedence that’s ok. We appreciate the quick response. We’ve always gone live with no sweeteners but have finally decided to give this a try. Mainly got times we can’t find horn players or keyboard. The interface part is the real tricky thing as we imagine we might need 6-8 inputs for instruments, click and vocals. Thank you again.
Hello John, Thank you so much for these videos ( all of them) on creating, modifying and running backing tracks. I'm trying to get our band on board with this stuff and you're making it easier to convince them. Hey, your band sounds great too!
Thanks so much Todd. It is the best way to go! We have lots more band videos to post but we are busy playing right now. I will have them up in June. I hope to see some of yours!
Hey I also use the UMC1820 but I don't get any sound out from my output in the UMC1820? Do I have to route the interface on my pc, before I use the iPad?
@@niller164 no, be sure to turn up the volume on your iPad hardware buttons. I know it sounds ridiculous, but try that first.
I have the zoom L 12 with eight preamp do I still need the Behringer oh and where do you get you’re backing tracks from thank you for all the help you are giving
So, when you connect the iPad to the Zoom L12 and launch Multitracker, make sure you are in Audio Interface Mode and switch Class Compliant Mode to "ON". It looks like you will have 4 outs (outputs 1 and 2 are Channel 9/10, and outputs 3 and 4 are Channel 11/12) and Multitracker will let you route however you want. I suggest you designate Ch9/10 as L/R for FOH and 11 or 12 as Click for Monitor out (for IEM's), bypassing Main out. We get our backing tracks from Karaoke-Version.com. A word of caution, I have had to record some of my own tracks (drums, bass, guitar or vocals) on occasion because the singing is off pitch at times or instrumentation is not quite acceptable. Overall, they are pretty good. The do not need to be converted to .wav. Leaving them as mp3 is fine for Multitracker. Thanks for the kind words!
@@CaliforniaCreedence Thank you for answering my questions so promptly and I love what you’re doing for the cause one band one sound that’s what it all means believe me you are deeply appreciated here
Hello thanks for all your videos , but is there a way to put your songs in alphabetical order in playlist view, thanks
This was so AWESOME! Thank you so much for posting it. It was VERY helpful. You articulated everything perfectly and it was easy to follow. Again, I say THANK YOU!
Thanks Carmen! I am going to do an update to load songs in a much much easier way than I did here based on a discovery made by another commenter here. So the iCloud import is the long way. Now I know that you can drag and drop song folders into multitracker via itues. Super easy. Again, thanks for the encouragement.
Hey John. I love your channel👍it’s exactly what I’ve been looking for, especially multitrack! Quick question… how did you create your backing tracks for all of your sets? I’m a retired music enthusiast and extremely excited to feature some of these tech skills in our new band👍
I use Karaoke Version Tracks. I have some completed songs that I typically share with those getting started so that they can just drop them into Multitracker and work with them. I can share the link with you. I will be home in a couple of hours and would be happy to get you started! Then you can see how to arrange Karaoke-Version tracks into legit backing tracks with click and cues for the in-ears.
@@CaliforniaCreedence Hey John, I’ve reviewed the setup for live backing tracks, but I think I missed something. You suggested a minimum 4 chan interface, for cabling the L/R stereo chans, PLUS a base chan and a click chan. Why put the base on a separate chan (Multi tracker to mixer?
@@josephmurphy7259 A couple reasons that have to do with my passion as a sound man. 1 - Bass sounds better running MONO (which can be accomplished on a separate channel) 2 - You can apply compression only to the bass for a more stable bottom end with punch when adjusting the attack on the compressor and 3 - Low/sub frequencies tend to slightly overdrive higher frequencies when combined on the same channel, so separating them gives you a rich and present bass and clean Mid/High stereo frequencies. These are my opinions, but I often hear “for some reason, your guys’ sound system is the best we have heard at our venue.” It’s the little things that count IMHO. Hope this helps clarify! Thanks for asking!
@@CaliforniaCreedence Thanks John… makes sense!
Hello John, Have you been working with video using Multitracker and a laptop?
Hi, thanks for the question! I have been experimenting with launching video with MT using a program called BOME Translator Pro. We don't have the hardware to do that with our band, yet. Here is the tool I use to get MID from MT to VLC on a laptop.
www.bome.com/products/miditranslator
Great job John ! what is the connection cable you use between your ipad and mixer ? Lightning and USB-B ?
Thanks for the encouragement! here is what we use. www.amazon.com/Adapter-Compatible-Portable-Charging-Application/dp/B08DRGJLF5/ref=sr_1_10?crid=1GWA9J78A41T6&keywords=camera+adapter+to+ipad&qid=1675533445&s=electronics&sprefix=Camera+adapter%2Celectronics%2C170&sr=1-10
KV stems use 320 mp3 as far as I can remember. Surely upgrading them to wav stems is pointless? If not why would you need to use wave? Thanks for these videos.
Hi Steve. You are absolutely correct. At the time of this video I had a long history of creating my own backing tracks entirely with my own instruments and vocals. I would render them as .wav for lossless audio. KV is as you indicated at 320, and even if it wasn't, rendering as a .wav file is illogical. So, you are absolutely right. I need to do a 2.0 video to address all errors such as this from this original video. Thanks for your encouragement!
Thank you very much. This was very useful for me. I even got my AirTurn BT-200 Bluetooth footswitch working with it. This app rocks!
I just looked up that pedal! I am ordering one now. Thanks!
@@CaliforniaCreedence it is worth every penny.
@@armyofazra1922 I have to wait until the 12th for it to b arrive. Even with Prime. Still, very excited. Thanks!
And can you make a video about your preference and setting about compressor in the app ? Thanks
You have to have internet to use iCloud yes? Lots of Pisces I work at there is not good internet. Can I just keep the files in my iPad?
Yes. You don't need iCloud, watch this video of mine and go to 4minute mark. I need to issue some updates to this video, but check this one out for a better way to transfer files ua-cam.com/video/m5slBHsIJcY/v-deo.html
Can you teach me how to load by backing tracks and build a set on multitracker
@@julianoteyza22b I sure can. Let me see if I can make a video of that. If you need help you can email me at johnobrien@californiacreedence.com
Is it possible to operate this ap like a looper? E.g. I create songs with parts A, B and C... and it should repeat part A until I trigger (via midi) to go to part B, etc
I want to create tracks for people to jam live, but have some of the instruments that will not be available live (keys, horns, etc)
I have asked Sebastian for/about this. So far, he has not updated it. HE indicated an update in 2022, but we are running out of days!
John please help here. I'm a solo running tracks from my Microsoft Surface laptop and a Zoom HN4. i FEEL like a dj most nights instead of a musician. ARE there any apps for Android like Multi tracker. I use VLC and Windows music player and they are great but not efficient for loading playlists. It is very intense trying to find the next song while playing the current song and trying to not have my head buried in the screen while playing guitar and singing. Thank you. HELP
Hi Andy I am doing some research on it right now.
Hi Andy. I have searched extensively for a Multitracker for Android, but there is nothing other than Cubasis, which is a DAW. If you had an iPad you could use Multitracker first and foremost as it runs smoothly on older used iPads that you can get for lower cost. Even so, an iPad 7th gen 10.2 runs Multitracker just fine. IOS has another app called Stage Traxx 3 for your scenario but it is a bit more hungry for CPU. It looks like that if you use a tablet for backing tracks it is either an Android with a DAW like Cubasis, or an iPad with Multitracker or Stage Traxx3. Sorry.
Appreciate the tip! So much easier than hauling Ableton around!
Ive been using this app for a couple of years now. Its the only app that will play midifiles in sync with audio backing tracks. I use a Digitech Vocalist Workstation and it needs to hear midi notes to vocoder the notes for some of my harmony parts. Multitracker does the trick. The only thing it doesnt do right now is lyrics. Sebastian has said they coming now for more than a year but so far ...nothing. Maybe you could send him a request for a lyrics function as well. Squeaky wheel gets the oil. Great video.
Actually, that is a cool feature! I sure will request it. That is funny, I was just suggesting this to our singer. I'll let him know.
Our band has been using multitrack since 2020 based on your videos. Up until now we've been running just a simple split out of the headphone jacket (Click/Cues to drummer and tracks to FOH).
I see you're using the Behringer UMC1820 to send 4 outs (Click, Cues, Bass and FOH).
Do you know how many signals I can split when I connect the Multitracker App to the UMC1820? (I hope that question makes sense)
I fully understand your question. The UMC1820 works well for us, and we are up to 7 different channels because we run stereo. 1/2 is R/L backing tracks, 3 is Bass, 4 is Click, 5/6 is R/L percussion and 7 is for Triggers/Cues.
There are 8 outputs that you can route, but another user shared a catch with me that I didn't know, because we run everything stereo. Channels 3 through 8 can run independently, but 1 and 2 are hardware linked as a stereo output. I would try to run stereo, if possible. You don't need two stereo instruments like we do (percussion and FOH). You can run one stereo and the rest independent. Or you can run 3 stereo and a click and cue channel independently. Truthfully, the more separation, the happier the band and soundman.
Thanks for the question!
Hey John! Where do you get Multitracker?
Hi Donna, it is only for the iPad IOS and nor the iPhone. Hope this helps!
Is it possible to loop sections with this app? Say for instance, you want to make the solo section longer than what is on the stems.
Unfortunately, that feature is still being developed.
Love the features but the headphone output on my ipad is really low. I can play the same files in other apps in my ipad and the volume is normal. Same file played through multitracker set to go to the headphone at full blast is 50% then same file played through other apps. All that said the headphone out was still plenty strong enough to feed the PA. Had the drummer use the output of the interface (Volt 2) which was plenty loud. This is a killer app. I totally recommend it.
Is it possible to route a certain track to more than one output on the interface? For instance, with regards to how you've routed your session in this video, can you send your main instruments to the stereo out 1/2 AS WELL as output 4?
Yes, you most certainly can. Also, since you can route each track to multiple outputs, you can also route them only to the left or right channel of that output, if you want. Each track can be routed, literally, however you wish, to as many as you wish .
@@CaliforniaCreedence alright that's super helpful, thankyou so much for the video and the prompt reply! 🙏🏼
Just what I was looking for. Thanks!
You can use any interface, right?
Yes, IOS is very flexible. Obviously the iPad 2, 3 or 4 has a slight possibility of some compatibility issues, but the interface would have to be very new with a very new chipset for that to be the case.
@@CaliforniaCreedence I use Ipad Gen 9 with Interface SSL+2, there should be no problem, right?
@@AsiaNp88 iPad 9 updates to IOS 16, you are good to go. Nice interface! 4 outputs!
@@CaliforniaCreedence Thx Bro😀
Hey John Rence from Monterey , so this weekend we’re playing LoS Gatos , and usually I don’t bring a back up anymore ( using zoom R8) for some reason I thought let me import the files to multitrack just in case , we’ll…. Guess what during sound check the zoom R8 starting acting weird , well I had not choice but to use multitrack and it worked great , don’t know why made me back up and use MT , but it saved me as I stopped bringing a back up, well from now on my zoom is going to be my back up ha ha ha , only worry I had was I’m using my. iPad mini , thanks aging for all you videos
That is good news (sort of, but a bummer for your zoom r8). We have used the iPad for a few years, and it is pretty solid. I want to see you guys play sometime!
Hey John you got me hooked, i love it. Your videos are great. I put it on my 4th Gen ipad and the demos worked, but i added one of my ownthat i downloaded and all heck broke loose. I guessing its time to upgrade my ipad. Do yoiu mind me asking what ipad you have?
Indeed, I have an iPad Air gen 1. It works great. There are reasons that importing stems would not playback properly. The most common reason is that the stems vary in length. Remember, stems in a given song all must be the exact same length. Feel free to ask questions!
Hello thanks for all your videos , I have a question I noticed that when I group songs together and say I've done medlys, when sliding the slider to say 2o mins to get to a certain song it crashes any idea doesn't do it on just 1 song by itself thanks again
Hi! Thanks for the encouragement. My thought is that there may be a bit of a resource issue. I am wondering if you could use MP3 or flac files. One regret I have about this video is that I encourage the use of .wav files (since they are lossless) but compressed audio seems just as good for live. Also put the files in a DAW and make sure that all tracks are exactly the same length. if not, from within your DAW set the loop handles (if in DAWs other than Ableton) and export the stems. With Ableton, select all in the arranger view and choose Consolidate and it will set all lengths perfectly, then export the stems. Let me know if I answered or completely missed the point LOL.
John, great video. I bought this app to use based off your helpful sharing. Can you repost the vocal cue download? I get an error when trying to download, saying it's no longer there.
Oh yes! I moved it. Sorry about that! Here is the link, and I will put it in the description. 1drv.ms/u/s!Am_NYU1HSls-gf49Z0CxyZi7KFXS-Q?e=sADdWn
what a great discovery, I have been waiting for something like this for a long time, thank you very much!
Ps.: I was using “prime” and “playback” apps, but I’m changing it right now.
Suggestion: the configuration of the transport bar in live view could be start /pause(same button), stop,, previous, next... 🤓
The previous button would be of great help because the playlist can have many songs on certain occasions, so we would lose some time until returning to the previous track just by selecting the next button.
@@kabassa I had to see it to believe it! I never noticed that. The button config you suggest is a great idea! I plan to email Sebastian to suggest it. He can maybe put the choice for button config in the General settings. This is because the Stop button accomplishes the Rewind function and the Start/Pause could toggle play and a Previous and Next buttons could be underneath them. That was how I configured my MIDI controller for Ableton Live when we were using it (before we turned to Multitracker), because we would jump around to different songs (a nightmare for the drummer!). Again, thanks!
@@CaliforniaCreedence great, I agree with , the stop button is not really necessary, to be able to choose the button layout configuration would be great too, I just hope this is easy to implement.
Nice app anyway.
Thanks for sharing it.
@@CaliforniaCreedence I tried to contact the support of the app but got no answer.
@@kabassa I will be happy to email him. Is it about the button for Previous?
Hey John. I was curious if you could share where you get tour multi track backing tracks from? Thanks!
You sure can! The Green River track was completely self made, but now I get allltracks from karaoke-version.com but some tracks I completely make myself, Like I made my own tracks for Purple Rain. Definitely feel free to share! Thanks.
@@CaliforniaCreedence I just bought my first multi track from them. Great website. Thanks
Hi there
Is there a way to use this app in a way that the click goes into the drummer's mix?
What interface did you use to split the mix between house and in ears?
Yes, routing the click to the drummer is not problem. MT has unlimited routing options. We currently use the Behringer UMC1820 because it is one of the cheaper multi-out interfaces and is rugged for the active band.
Hello John. do you need the audio interface to use the multitrecker or the one to use without an interface?
Hi Junior. You don’t need an audio interface. I use an audio interface because we run stereo. Truthfully, you could run it all from the headphone jack. To isolate the click, there are a lot of videos that show how to hard pan, but Multitracker lets you specify which (right or left) channel that you want each track to go to.
hey Johm thanks again great videos , Question do you have tp purchase multitrack for each iPad thanks
Thanks for the encouragement Orencio! If all iPad are under the same username/account (which mine all are on one account) you can install it on multiple iPad with a single purchase.
@@CaliforniaCreedence Wow fast response ,maybe a dumb question are you referring to iTunes account info ?
@@orencioperez9120 yes, I didn't want to confuse you, but, hey, I wasn't clear either. Sorry.
How you do with the storage? Because I have like 60 songs in multitracker and is like 70Gb but is in the storage of the ipad and I want it to be storage in icloud automaticallt after I add a new song can someone helo me? I really need help
You can batch convert to mp3, do you only have an iPad? Batch concert works best on a windows or Mac computer. I know I said o use .wav, but users are having success with mp3
John, you talk about your tracks being on the iCloud, does that mean you are always at the mercy of WiFi connection to access your tracks at various venues? I want the files on my iPad and accessible to Multitracker no matter the WiFi. Thanks for any help! Great video. I've been using track since the 80's, through all types of technical phases. I'm trying to get off as Ableton Live, as I make the tracks at home on ProTools. John talks about his tracks being on the iCloud, does that mean you are always at the mercy of WiFi connection to access your tracks at various venues? I want the files on my iPad and accessible to Multitracker. Thanks for any help!
You don't need iCloud, watch this video of mine and go to 4minute mark. I need to issue some updates to this video, but check this one out for a better way to transfer files ua-cam.com/video/m5slBHsIJcY/v-deo.html
Such a cool video, thank you so much....Question I am new to backing track with wired inears and have a Behringer 404HD. If I follow your templating what is a good config for stereo audio on 1 &2. then what is the config for cue and click... this is combo midi and convered midi to audio file.... Can't thank you enough for making the light come on with this excellent tutorial...
The 404HD is perfect for your setup! Get the camera adapter for your iPad. It will detect outputs 1 through 4 AND MIDI routing through your 404HD. Multitracker can drive both. For audio, in Song Configuration tab, tap the Green OUT Button, select both outs 1 and 2 BUT don’t pick the 2 UNDER the 1, but the 2 diagonal from the 1 (this is for each audio track for front of house). It is great that all of your backing tracks are stereo. So each FOH channel needs to be routed to 1 and the diagonal 2 outputs (hence, stereo). This can be copied to subsequent songs, so the first song is a little work. Regarding the click and cue tracks, I would route both to output 4 ONLY. Even if the click/guide is stereo, it will be sent mono to the ears. 3 would not be used at all. This video of mine ua-cam.com/video/p_WJ3D8gxUc/v-deo.html shows how to route the click and cue to a muted channel and routed to Aux or in ears. If you don’t have a mixer with this flexibility, get a Behringer Microamp HA400 Ultra-Compact 4-Channel Stereo Headphone Amplifier and have each band member tap into it with a headphone extension and connect it directly to the output 4 of the 404HD. The 404HD midi out can communicate MIDI via 5 pin din to your hardware that is MIDI sequenced to a .mid file to load into Multitracker. All audio and MIDI tracks must be the same length/tempo per song. Did this answer the question? Let me know. Thanks. I plan to do another video on MIDI with Multitracker.
@@CaliforniaCreedence Looks like I made the right decision(yeah) - I have the headphone amp (4) and a USB 502 behringer. that I was trying to accomplish but ran out of pathways..I get the 404hd on the 5th of Jan. Thank you for your quick reply. Your band is hot,hot hot. I'm a solo keyboard player with converted trracks thru logic. I hope the gigs return for you... thank you again. checking out your like above...
Excellent video amigo... i just got it with Just audio & effects... but i have a problem... the start bottom is not working... i click on it and the track does not start... can u help me with this please??? thanks
We can start simple first. See if (in Settings) under General and 8 rows down there is a "Number of Taps for Start Button in Live View" and see if it is set to 1 or if it is a different value.
Its set to 1...
@@KaneyBand Okay, then the next thing is a little more complicated. This may be happening because when you are in configuration mode, you have to click the green OUT button and assign outputs before it will play. If you need more in depth help, feel free to email me at johnobrien@californiacreedence.com or call/text me with the number I provide in response to an email.
@@KaneyBand Your band is excellent! Very professional and the rhythms, singing and music are tight! I am sure your band gets booked often.
Is there a quick/easy/painless method to transfer all of my MT files/data/midi to a second iPad for backup purposes? The second iPad already has a fully “unlocked” version of MT on it. Will this be an iTunes thing? Thanks!
Check this video out that I did. ua-cam.com/video/vjt6CvknqZY/v-deo.html
Hey John. Great video. I've started building backing tracks with click on Multitracker. I'm not sure about the setup from the iPad to front of house and headphones. Do I need some sort of mini desk mixer in between ? Obviously need to be able to separate the click from the rest and send both to my headphones (drummer) and just the backing tracks to the desk.
Finding a cheap way to do this, is a little tricky, and can involve a lot of different approaches. A method that may cost some money is to start with having a mixer that has at least 4 AUX outputs with PRE/POST fader toggle option. In this case, each AUX goes to wired or wireless in ear monitors. Then, isolate the click to its own output (like right or left if only using the headphone out, or a channel output on a multi output audio interface attached to your iPad). Send the click to a channel on the mixer that is muted and the fader all the way down and this channel AUX is set to PRE-Fader. This way, the click goes only to the ears and the rest goes to the front of house. This is a video I made about stereo, but has a routing section at 2:35. Here is the video.
ua-cam.com/video/p_WJ3D8gxUc/v-deo.html
And this might be what you are looking for if you are on a budget.
ua-cam.com/video/GGRgkYFTR_k/v-deo.html
John, do you know if Multitracker works with Bluetooth midi? I’m planning to get a Bluetooth Midi board with 4 switches and it says it can send midi messages via Bluetooth. Please advise when you get a chance. Thanks 🙏
Hi John, are you doing most of the mixing on your daw or on the app?
Thanks for asking! I master the tracks in the DAW to get the best levels, but, ultimately, I mix within the app and save the song in the app.
@ thank you.
@@RoadBlockReggaeBand Heres how I do it
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You can use Airdrop instead iCloud if you don't have/want to waste space. Great video btw!
Yes, that is a great idea. Good reason to do tracks on a Mac. When I create stems on my PC I have to use iCloud since Airdrop has no Windows client.
Have you tried running the iPad cable straight to the soundcraft ui24 instead of going through the Behringer?
Yes. It works great! Unfortunately, I broke the USB port on the UI24R during a show when I tripped over the USB cord. Otherwise we used to go direct into the UI24 until that fateful day. A friend who specializes in electronic repair said that replacing that port was no small task. So, I bought the behringer audio interface becuse Guitar Center accidentally sold it to me for $99 (UMC1820), so I held them to their quote and got it. I am planning to buy another UI24R and go back to using the USB port eventually.
@@CaliforniaCreedence ok, great That's good to know. We use our Bass Players UI24R so I cant wait to try it. Just hope we don't trip over the cables and suffer the same fate with a broken usb port. thanks again for the info.
@@tskip2112 There are 4 "Virtual Channels" in the UI24R specifically designed not to burn any of the 24 channels on up to 4 backing tracks. It is an excellent digital mixer. I am excited for you!
I am currently using Mainstage on a Mac for our backing tracks but looking for something easier that is comparable, I use a midi pedal to start the next track, is the same function available on this App?
Yes. There are several options to control start, stop via bluetooth MIDI. Have a look at this ua-cam.com/video/-hhSmtEH04s/v-deo.html
@@CaliforniaCreedence Thanks for that John, I will be using a midi cable from the ipad to the interface but it will be the same as for blue tooth I guess. Cheers
Hi John does multitracker have an inbuilt equaliser in it, so you can adjust the bass and treble of songs
Yes. Each channel has a basic compressor and eq
Great tutorial 👌 thanks for taking the time to share your knowledge 👍
Thanks Dave!
Hey John great Video! I did have a question.... Can you change the key of the song in multitraker?
No, you can't. That is one difference from Ableton. Tempo and key can't be changed. That is why I settle these settings with the singer and the band before creating stems. Nevertheless, we are a few years deep into MT, and still find it more relevant to the full-band paradigm than the other app on the market (which favors more of a solo artist or duo). Thanks for the encouragement!
@@CaliforniaCreedence Thanks for your quick response! I like Multitracker better then Stag Traxx but you can change the pitch in Stage Traxx..
@@rockingsurfer1 Yes, if Stage Traxx made a better interface and integrated MIDI tracks, I think I would switch. I own both of these apps, but simply can't see Stage Traxx as relevant yet for more professional use. It's almost there! Thanks!
John - excellent video for an excellent product. A few quick questions if you please.
You mentioned that you switched from Ableton because it was too hard to see on stage. I agree. Did you ever investigate making a custom iPad-based controller using something like TouchOSC or touchAble?
Is there a noticeable quality difference between using wav vs 320k MP3 files?
Using karaoke-version stems, they're only available as mp3 files. Do use them as mp3 files or convert them to wav files?
Have you tried using Multitracker to control DMX lighting using a midi file?
Thanks for the positive feedback! Q1 - Yes, I always used a controller with Ableton, but I was noticing on our older live videos (many of which are taken down) that I was seen constantly leaning toward the laptop and squinting to verify what song was next. Q2 - I only use .wav files because, before I discovered K-V, we made our own backing tracks, and saved the stems as .wav, but 320 Mp3 is perfectly fine. Mp3 converted to .wav does not increase sound quality at all. The downloaded quality is the best you will get. I convert to .wav for track consistency with our old ones. I often have to fix K-V tracks, and I have a video on how to stabilize bpm in K-V tracks. Q3 - DMX for lights works fine with MT, the only problems people are experiencing is (with old lighting systems) getting the sysex file out of their old system. Newer MIDI note driven DMX works great when put on a MIDI file track in Multitracker.
@@CaliforniaCreedence - Thanks for the quick reply. Q1 Yes, I tried using a Launchpad but with no feedback you couldn't be sure you selected the correct track. And you needed a piece of paper with the mapping of the songs to the buttons. I see that something like TouchOSC should allow you create big buttons mapped to Ableton scenes. Q2 - I was wondering for consistency whether you'd convert the MP3 to wav. Q3 - thanks for the info. I was thinking about making the midi lighting tracks in Ableton using DMXIS and exporting the midi file to use with MT
@@oleniacz I may try to see what Ableton can do. I plan to upgrade to 11 just because. I convert to .wav out of paranoia, but I could probably leave them as mp3. It sounds like your DMX would go smoothly into Multitracker.
@@CaliforniaCreedence I haven't decided whether to jump to 11 yet. I'd be curious to know what others are using for software/hardware to run DMX lights using MT midi files.
Hi John,
I’m getting started with Backing tracks using MultiTracker2.2 and an Allen and Heath CQ-20B. I connect an iPad Air4 to the CQ using a USB C to USB B cable. I am able to assign tracks to the channels on the mixer and save the song. I am able to play the tracks and they come though the mixer. If I shut down the app and the mixer and then restart the mixer and MultiTracker the channel assignments revert to the first channel for all tracks for the song. It seems random and doesn’t happen with every song. Any thoughts ?
Hi Ronny, I am giving a quick response for the moment. When you associate tracks to USB channels in the digital mixer, these numbers are hard coded for the song. For example, if I have a Behringer UMC 1820 and I create all my songs where I assign click and cues to channel 4, bass to channel 3 and stereo backing tracks to 1&2 (1 being left and 2 being right). Then, after saving the song in multitracker, I shut it all down and the next day I grab a Presonus VLC44 with 4 outputs to use instead, then all of my songs saved with the click/cues to 4, bass to 3 and stereo backing tracks to 1&2 (1 bing left and 2 being right) will automatically go to those outputs on a completely different device. The next day I grab my UI24R digital mixer to play my backing tracks then then all of my songs saved with the click/cues to 4, bass to 3 and stereo backing tracks to 1&2 (1 bing left and 2 being right) will automatically go to those outputs on that device. However, lets say I have an audio interface with just a left and right output (output 1 is usually left and 2 is usually right), then you will not hear any bass or click/cues because those channels couldn't be found and the output number never changes from how you saved it in MT. It's always assigned as you saved the song. Multitracker is stubborn and won't reassign any outputs, it will stick to the output number that the song was saved as, even if the audio device doesn't have that output number. So, the changes you are seeing likely are happening in the Allen and Health (I envy your device by the way). I looked at the manual for your device and it looks fairly simple but must be saved as a scene and recalled, I believe. Also, my video here may have some significance, but I think you already know what you are doing.
ua-cam.com/video/Xu2joKnKBcg/v-deo.html
Let me know if I didn't understand the question or missed the mark on the answer.
Thanks for the question!
Thank you so much for the response. I will look at the scenes and pass on my findings. I was hoping MT persisted the track assignments but when they got corrupted I didn’t know if this was going be worth it. The A&H mixer is pretty cool probably way overkill for our little garage band. The Multitracker app has helped us step our game a lot.
When you save do you also mean back up the database as well ?
@@ronnygriffith5422 no, when I configure a song, I save it periodically while configuring it and then be sure to save it before closing it in configure mode. The green button “out” numbers remain fixed to the output number across audio interfaces. Prior to working on songs, I decide output number for all songs (4=click, 1/2=R/L FOH, 3=Bass FOH, 5/6=Drum tracks R/L, Cues=7). I know mine is complex. In Playlist mode, the initial play of the very first song after starting the iPad and app may not play correctly. I start a song in playlist briefly. Stop it. Then select another song and it played just fine from then on. I do database backups and export all audio files to a thumb drive if I need the same setup on another back up iPad. I hope this helps.
Thank you so much for explaining this.
Awesome information!!
John - I just scratching the surface using backing tracks - Question - where do the backing tracks come from used in the DAW. Does the band record them ahead of time or do you purchase them online.
Good question. I use Karaoke-version, and the MP3 files are 320, so they don't need to be converted to .wav and the songs are $3 each, so that is really good.
@John O'Brien thanks John..I use them as well. I will have to spend more time figuring out how to download tracks of a song separately so that I can use or omit tracks as needed depending on which band member can't make the gig. Maybe you should do a video on that...I subscribed to your channel. Thanks again for the quick response.
@@rickyrocket12 I sure can, there has been requests to do more on MIDI with MT. I have a video on how to download individual tracks from Karaoke-version and set them up in MT, I can give youbanlink to that a little later.
@@CaliforniaCreedence Great...looking forward to it.
@@rickyrocket12 On how to download Karaoke Version tracks independently, check this out ua-cam.com/video/NBctnt6DZEI/v-deo.html
You seem to have a LOT of songs. that's got to be taking up a huge amount of disk space on the iPad if your loading all the stems for every song. What's the capacity of your ipad?
You are correct the storage is 128gb, and all the tracks comprise 58gb. But no laptop on stage is worth it!
I might try the app. But 2 track (click/Cues Rt, Track Lt) and connect the iPad direct into a USB Port on a TF Rack. No Interface required that way. Of Course very limited without all the stems. Thanks for the info and Video. Band sounds great.
@@dswguitars thanks so much! It still sounds great with the setup you are going to use!
Thanks John! This is perfect. Very helpful.
how to get this app? and what ios version is compatible?
This is an IOS app, but only the iPad IOS, so if you search for the app with your iPhone you won't see it. If you search for the app on an iPad you will find it. Thanks for asking!
Thanks for your video. I’m consider to use multitrack for live performance. Do you think that Will work with one of this mixer: zoom l12, sound craft 12 mtk. I mean I want you use one of this mixer as audio interface thanks Silvio
Thanks for the feedback! I would go with the Zoom if you are looking at backing tracks to individual outputs. The only bad thing is that you only get 4 for tracks. 1 and 2 for stereo left and right and you could use 3 for bass and 4 for click/cues. The Behringer XR18 would be the best, but if you need Faders, then I guess the Zoom would be a better choice. I will look into doing a video on the Compressor settings. Thanks!
@@CaliforniaCreedence thanks for info. We are 4 elements (drum bass voice and guitar) and play pop dance music from 80 so we need just 2 track: one stereo for synth/keyboard/fx and one mono for click.
@@CaliforniaCreedence do you think that Behringer U-Phoria UMC204HD could be work well with Multitracker (just in case we have problem with mixer in live)
@@CaliforniaCreedence sorry but I have another question….if you have 2 different sound card how do you manage it? I mean you create and save every song for every sound card or there is a fast way ? Thanks
@@sisometalizzed6502 No worries at all. Multitracker intelligently retains the channel assignment between audio interfaces. Good question!
Good review. But what is the trigger track-what is on it, and what does the trigger track do?
Hi David, the trigger track is separate from the click and calls out the structure of the song. Professionals call this the Cue Track. Since all of our monitoring is in-ear, the trigger tells us what the song is (e.g. "Sweet Home Alabama!" ---"Intro!"----"One-Two-Three-Four!"). During the song, the trigger track (or Cue Track)calls out when the chorus is, the bridge, the solo the verse the outro. For example, the click is telling us the tempo of the song to which we are to stay in time with the backing tracks. The trigger is the voice that tells us where we are in the song so that we coordinate with the backing tracks (without the triggers, we may accidentally be playing a verse when chorus backing track vocal harmonies are where the song is.) We separate the click and vocal triggers (Verse! One-Two-Three-Four) so each band member can put them at different volumes. The drummer may want a stronger click and the singer may want stronger vocal triggers (or cues as they call them in Ableton). Hope the response wasn't too long!
Brilliant video, thanks for sharing!
Thanks Martin!
John I really like this app...question, is the App capable of cross fading from one song to the next?
Hi Frank. This app won't do that. It is a "one shot" player. Your question brings up a potentially cool feature that could be added. Right now, the setting "Move to next song" only loads the next song, but still requires the user to launch it. It would be cool if there was a setting for "continuous play with crossfade" option (setting the gapless time like in Spotify) and the beginning of songs would be the "markers" in case the continuous-play had to be stopped because a band member wasn't ready. The focus of this app is on flexibility regarding mixing/routing independent tracks/clicks and cue tracks. Currently, our band has a medley of Smooth (By Santana) to Oye Como Va, but we have to create that as one song. That is how we overcome the crossfade limitation. I like the idea! I will pass this on to Sebastian (you can feel free to do the same. He is very personable.)
Oops, I just noticed in my own video that you can tap the "Pause Between Songs" to toggle On or Off. The only missing piece is the Spotify gapless feature. So it is rather close to being what you are looking for, if requested. Good point!
@@CaliforniaCreedence Thanks John...I'm intending on using this app in a worship scenario...many of those situations use a synth pad underneath (being played at the same time as a song)...you can keep the pad underneath and when the song is over, it reemerges as ambient sound. You then crossfade into a new pad (if in a different key) then start the next song...pretty cool! Lots to think about, but this app has a lot of capabilities I'm not getting with other playback systems and I don't need something as extensive as Ableton live.
If we got a crossfade function in the app, I'd simply put the synth pad into each song and when the band is ready to switch I'd push button for the next song which would crossfade out of the previous one into the new one.
@@frankirr9996 That is a great idea! I also play on a worship team as a keyboardist. I do those transitions live (the 4 over 5 of the upcoming song always creates a smooth transition to any key). Also, if Pastor is speaking or praying I hold those pads. You could do that in Ableton, but not with this app, so far.
hello sir. hope you can share some of your backing tracks, would be helpful for me as a beginner.. thanks a lot
I can give you access to some of my files through my OneDrive. I can send you a link. You download them and unzip them and they are ready to install. My email is johnobrien@californiacreedence.com I can email you a link. I can send a list of songs I have and give you a few to get up and running.
Hi John, I can't find the words to thank you for all your videos tutorials and congratulate you for the professionalism and clarity with which you work and explain every single step. I was trying to test Multitracker and I would like to ask you for advice, maybe I am doing something wrong and I don't know how to fix. In my live show I play 70s / 80s dance medley lasting about 20/30 minutes which are composed of songs that follow one another, without a break and always in time. With Multitracker I thought to load every single song (also to be able to resume the show in the chosen song in case of unexpected interruptions). The problem I encountered is that, from the end and the beginning between every single song, there is always a small delay that affects the timing of the dances. Do you think i’m doing something wrong? thanks again, I often review all your videos because they are fantastic ... Pier
Hi, thanks for the kind words! There should not be a pause between songs. Will have to test this out. We are using an iPad air first gen. There are a host of solutions via midi trigger. For instance, you can create a full 45 minute set as one file and use the midi remote control feature to put locator points for you to seamlessly jump around your set with no pause, or to pause your set and start up again at a specific point. I will be doing a video to explain these tricks with MIDI in another video, soon. If you need a step by step to set up
I can help with that
@@CaliforniaCreedence thanks John, excellent solution you suggest, I am grateful to you. If you make a video on the subject it would be of enormous help to me. Pier (Italy)
Where do you get your cues from?
Click the link, Select and download the zip file called VOCAL TRIGGERS
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Hi John, can you back up files video? it would be great please
Hi, thanks for your kind words! Yes, this app allows you to create a database configuration of your entire setup. If you put the files and folders on another iPad with Multitracker (folders set up in Multitracker), the database will copy the mix and configuration of your previous iPad to the second (backup) iPad. We do this as a band. Did that answer your question? Or did I go a different direction than you were looking for?
How is it an ableton alternative if you cant change time signature / tempo and key of the track? Its just a noddy backing track database
I see no live show performances on your channel. I am sure you saw that we replaced Ableton Live for our live performances with this app.
Great videos! For a medley, do you just make it as one song son it’s continuous?
Thanks so much! Yes, a medley would have to be created as one song. That eould be the most reliable way. Again, thanks for the encouragement!
Hi John, Thanks for your info. The big question for me is whether multitracker is stable when performing live. Has the app ever crashed or dropped out during a song? Thanks in advance!
We have used this app live for a couple of years. No issues. As good or better than Ableton Live, which used to be our Bread and Butter. It has never faulted during rehearsals and sound checks, as well. So far, zero crashes. We used it successfully on iPad Air First Gen, iPad 7th gen and iPad 8th gen. We have used it with the following interfaces, Presonus 44VSL, Soundcraft UI24, Behringer Uphoria 1820, Steinberg UM28, and the onboard audio interface in the Yamaha Montage 7 flawlessly. Here is what I would keep an eye on, one of the lightning to USB adapter had clicks and pops during rehearsal (it boasted USB 3.0 but had poor data transfer. Stay away from those) so test out and have 2 good camera connectors on hand. The camera connectors with the charging port help out a great deal. Nevertheless, the ones that look super simple, with no charging port, are amazing. The power in the iPad can support 3 45 minute sets. Almost all camera connectors are okay, we just had one that boasted USB 3.0 turned out to be the one that clicked and popped.
@@CaliforniaCreedence Hi John, Thanks for your answer. We now use Ableton but if it is just as stable or maybe even better, I will certainly experiment with it.
@@RootZBandLive this is my how-to regarding launching via Bluetooth. It was a gig we scheduled to give our female vocalist a no-pressure try out. ua-cam.com/video/m5slBHsIJcY/v-deo.html
Question regarding monitoring:
I’m planning to use a setup similar to yours for leading worship at my church. How are you guys monitoring the song cues or what equipment would you recommend. We are currently using standard monitors. Thanks!
Blessings!
It depends what the budget is for your church. Personally, I prefer all in-ear. MT uses a camera connector to a (at least 4 channel) audio interface. The Click and Cues would be routed to a muted channel on the mixer and and routed to aux channels pre-fader. An easy way would be to replace your wedges with Xvive U4's to go all IEM. Then you can freely route the click and cues to the monitors. See this video I did.
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BTW I am a Christian and did worship for 28 years. Backing tracks are a great idea to help the leader with staffing (tracks can replace players if needed) and practice (dispense the backing tracks to allow musicians to practice at home exactly as the song will be played. Makes them more confident which really helps with worship).
Wow! Thanks so much! Yeah budget a bit tight but small church is growing so that may change. We can start humble but as the Lord provides we can expand the system. Thanks so much for all your great videos and advice!
The one main issue I been having is not able to cross fade the next dance song when the dance floor is packed with people.
I have to wait till the song completely ends before I can start the next song. People start leaving the dance floor because of the gap ☹️
Is there a way I can manually trigger the next song as I see the current song is about to end?
Thanks for any response of advice
If in Live view, double tap the upcoming song in grey and this will reveal a couple more buttons “PAUSE” and “NEXT”. The NEXT button will launch the next song immediately upon pressing it. However, If you deploy tracks from the Playlist view you will see a button to the left of the STOP button with the title of the next song. If you hit that, it will immediately launch the next song. HOWEVER be sure to go to SETTINGS>GENERAL and switch on the “Next” Button starts the next song.”
@@CaliforniaCreedence
Wow….thanks for the quick reply 👍🏻
However….will doing this abruptly stop the currently playing song? Or will it fade out or?
@@reclavea it will abruptly stop it. I just noticed the term crossfade, MT doesn't do that. MT can be put on multiple iPads and you could cross fade between the two, but that seems a little cumbersome.
@@CaliforniaCreedence
👍🏻…..I’ve never really had any issues using the app for my gigs since I purchased it in 2018 👍🏻
It’s only when I landed this regular dancing 💃🏽 gig at the Hilton Hotel here ☹️
The time between dance songs is a detriment and effectively very negative on my show performance ☹️
Do you know if Stage Traxx 3 addresses this issue?
@@reclavea i own stage traxx 3 and I am not aware of a crossfade. I agree, we have a rapid-fire profile to keep the dance floor full, but I also DJ and beat matching and crossfade keep the floor full. People can only really tolerate about 2 minutes of a particular song at the most. I have retired my Traktor Kontrol completely and now only use the apple app djay which has amazing audio routing options!
John, is there a way to change the Key of a song with in the app? Also have you been able to get a hold of the programmer do you know if he will be doing any updates to the app by the way I love all of your videos I just set up an in ear system because of one of your videos.
I finally got a response from the developer. He says that he is working on a significant update, but something must have happened with him in 2021. I was kind of worried about him, I sent a concerned email, and he responded. It looks like 2022 is his next big update, and he is taking to heart all of my suggestions. Key change was one of them. Isn't that Xvive IEM great?!! If you got one.
@@CaliforniaCreedence Thank you for getting back to me I am Glad to here this.. I love this program and your Videos are so Helpful.
So i was not sure what to do about an in ears system I have little money and a small Yamaha MG10u Mixer and then i saw your video on how to setup A small wired in ear system using multi tracker and I purchased the beringer power play 8 channel HA8000.. Love it Keep up the Great work with the Videos it helped me alot... Much appreciated.
@@CaliforniaCreedence if you need to do a key change on a song what do you do?
@@danielmcnulty9507 if you use karaoke version, you can download or redownload in a different key. I have Ableton live. That is how I Key change. You have export from MT, change key in your DAW, then reimport it into MT.
Love your videos by the way.. they helped me a lot.
Hi John, Thanks for a great review/tutorial on Multitracker. I want to give it a try now! Quick question, using the Midi out feature can I add cues that trigger during runtime to change for instance the lyric page on another iPad maybe using Bluetooth and the Yamaha MD-BT01? I've seen the Bluetooth scroller foot switch but it would be cool to have the page flip at the right time built in to the track. Thanks! Tod.
Although I have never tried this, MT can send out MIDI data via BT. I would suggest using note data to turn pages, but I could be wrong. Here is the catch with an ipad. Be sure to create a virtual MIDI port in your iPad with an app called MIDI mittr. That will allow you to route traffic to and from the iPad via bluetooth. Sounds exciting. But, YES you can have a MIDI track flowing with the song to sent that data. Be sure that the MIDI track is the exact same length/Tempo as the audio file
@@CaliforniaCreedence Thanks John! And if you come to Las Vegas and forget your bass man, I'm your new bass player! I looked over your set list while you were demoing and I know them all! Big Credence fan. Best, Tod :)
Hey again, John! Thanks to your spectacular videos on Multitracker, I’m now an avid user for my band’s live shows. One important question for you as Sebastian hasn’t been too responsive as of late:
How do you seamlessly create a backup with all audio files, songs, and configurations on another iPad? Although I’ve never experienced any major issues during live shows, it frightens me a bit at the prospect of something going down on one iPad. I need to have a backup on my other iPad. The in-app database operations haven’t been sufficient for me. If you have any experience with this, I’d appreciate your expertise. Thanks!
I will try to create a video on it in the next 48hrs. You are one of many who have emailed me on this.
@@CaliforniaCreedence That would be amazing. What peace of mind that would create for me haha!
Hi, I just copy here, the hard-won knowledge I have put in the main section, although I know it is some time since you asked, it’s pretty relevant, probably forever, if you use ipads, take care, her’s a copy of my comment…Interesting and I liked the songs you guys put together. For those concerned about ipads ‘crashing’ I have an undocumented tip that if you think about it, it makes a lot of sense: keep about 75Gb ‘free’ space on your ipad. iOS/iPadOS is getting bigger and hungrier. On an iPhone the same ‘feature’ holds true but maybe ‘only’ 30Gb to 55Gb is needed free on the SSD. I have urged Apple on their forum to make some guidelines on this available but of course, Apple have made such a huge issue out of the amount of memory you buy as it has to be in-built at purchase, and is fixed forever on mobile devices of theirs.
My concrete evidence for this, is that when using GarageBand on my iPad Pro 2, time and again, apps would develop terrible problems, which I then found reflected in reviews in the app store - but my experiments showed clearly that with only one change to your setup (removing data or apps until I got 55Gb minimum free on my iPad Pro 2 SSD), all problems with that app vanished. I left a review to this effect on the app store, and recommended to other users they check this aspect before blaming the Developer - this is not out of love for developers, only out of wanting to ‘bottom’ what the actual issue is. FYI it was the Moog Model15 apps that seemed to play up, but also a different Dev’s apps, AND indeed GarageBand itself.
It appears AUV3 is very sensitive to a low amount of SSD being available (so-called ‘disk space’). Other apps included the Zeeon synth app, and all were by experienced respected developers - still no word from Apple. Bear in mind, the iOS only takes up about 10Gb or so officially? Some people might double that and think that’s all the space they need. It’s not. 55Gb MINIMUM must be free, that’s the borderline level on iPad Pro 2. After this, I bought a huge 14Gb backup drive, and a used iPad Pro M1 12.9” with all the bells and whistles (16Gb on board memory, SIM, and of course 2,000Gb of SSD!). Also FYI, it was pointless getting a lower spec than all-out, because they were the same price almost exactly - ie iPad Pro M1s with just 1Tb (half my iPad) were going for £1250 UKP. This is where Apple’s relentless advances now, help us, even at 6 months old, with 6 months of guarantee left, my latest, greatest iPad, was almost half price.
That’s incredibly useful, because without that - and some back taxes! - I couldn’t have made the upgrade. Remember, MicroSoft corp recommend numbers like 200Gb or something be free on their OS, and I wouldn’t assume the differences in OS usage/needs for dropping files, and ‘working space’ for iOS/iPadOS would be much less, with similarly complex OS systems. The fact they are more compact than Microsoft is, is irrelevant - take it that the complexity of the tasks, and how they are accomplished, needs similar ‘open space’ for the apps to work with. And of course, Music is second only to Video, in how many aspects or threads, are juggled/plates spinning at the one time. Recap: 25 to 55Gb free on iPhones, 75Gb safely on iPads, and you won’t have any trouble from this aspect. Less, you can and will have features fail in apps, and glitches.
All Apple have to do is raise their hand to admit to an absolutely necessary issue any OS has, but it would draw attention to that memory - it’s up to 100x more expensive remember than memory otherwise be bought. Carry on, and yes, I did use to be an IT man. Free other hot tip - do NOT copy a load of songs directly onto your Apple cloud drive, treating it like a ‘D’ drive in a Microsoft system, it ‘reacts’ by reflecting straight back, over the next couple of hours, all the data you just tried to shove up there. I’ve had a couple years of discussions on the forum about this, too - Apple to be fair, have quietly responded, without acknowledging it’s my feedback they listened too, by limiting this ‘mirroring’ of data copied to iCloud manually, to be 22% or so of your device’s overall SSD size - but hang on, I hear you say, if it’s only safe to keep about 75Gb ‘free’ on the iPad so apps run properly, and a fifth of say 512Gb on iPad’s SSD gets taken up by this weird iCloud kickback of data thing, that’s almost 200Gb taken up right there, with nothing useful?!
Yes, so don’t do that thing I did, of copying a large quantity of songs, to the iCloud, because it does NOT remove it from your iPad, like if it were a ‘drive D’ on an MS PC say. It spends 2 hours mirroring it right back atcha. Don’t test it, I took that pain for you! Thanks for the vid, sorry to go on, it will save a lot of pain during somebody’s live show one day. I loved the songs, the guitar sounded great and the drums really popped. So long, from the slightly damp UK as we hit our Queen’s 70 year Jubilee celebration. I’m sure I have a small flag somewhere…
Thanks for the info! I do have a question. What if you're in a situation where you want to back to a particular point in a song? Can you do that with Multitracker? Or should I just stick with Ableton to do things like that? Thanks again!
Hi, thanks for the question. If you are referring to loop sections like with Ableton in Arranger view, Multitracker does not do that at this time. That is a feature that Ableton has over Multitracker (to jump to different points in the song with a MIDI trigger during a live performance). Very cool feature. I may suggest it to Sebastian (the app developer). Did I answer your question properly? Thanks.
Check Prime:loops app for that.
@@thelabby9998 Checking it out now. Thanks for the tip!
Hi John,does all your backing tracks that you using on your live show are all downloaded from karaoke version ??
Hi Kenneth. Thanks for your question! No. Some are completely done in my home studio. As you may hear on Green River it is not the Karaoke Version. Nevertheless, since discovering Karaoke-Version, it has been a major time saver. Sometimes I combine my own instrumentation, and our singer wants to sing her own backing tracks. They clearly sound better than the KV song on occasion. Still, KV does a pretty good job.
How do you handle your Lyrics?
I am not the singer, but there is an app that will suit your needs for lyrics. I own it, as well. It is called Stage Traxx 3 and it most likely will be the best solution if you need scrolling lyrics. It works on iPhone, iPad and Mac. Thanks for asking!
John
Have you tried to use Multitracker to control your lights with the midi track?
Many are asking this, and we have not. 2 other users are trying it now, the only hitch is that the older sysex light systems need to be able to export their MIDI files to load into Multitracker. This looks like this is a good light controller for Multitracker - ADJ DMX Operator 384 384-Ch DMX Lighting Controller
@@CaliforniaCreedence Thanks for the quick reply. I'm looking around to see if there is an Ipad DMX controller app that can be installed on the same ipad as Multitracker and controlled with Multitracker's midi track. The Luminair app looks like it might.
Hey John
Really informative video! I have adopted this App after watching.
One question. When you are exporting your tracks from your DAW, do you 'pre mix' the song and export each track from the DAW at that pre mixed level, or do you export them at a common parity level and mix in Multitracker?
Thanks in advance :)
Thanks Pete! It is best to set all stems at the same level when exporting from your DAW. Then, develop a system for arranging track order in Multitracker (click first, vocal cues, bass, drums etc.) then mix the first song in Multitracker the way you like. For future tracks, simply copy the mix of the song you dialed in (in the app), and paste it to subsequent new songs you create in Multitracker, thereafter. That is what I do. This is a superior way of launching tracks compared to others. I am glad you like it!
@@CaliforniaCreedence Thanks for the tips! My songs tend to have a differing mixture of tracks for each song (some have strings, some may have 2 synth parts etc, so I think I'll need to mix each song based on this. I look forward to building a show using this system. Cheers!
@@CaliforniaCreedence When you mention the same level when exporting from your DAW, do you mean the same LUFS level or DB level?
@@DenisEncontre Hi D&L, I am referring to DB not LUFS. Any insights you have, please share!
Hey John - Thanks for putting together this video. I have the same audio interface that you have but I'm not getting any sound to my Presonus. I set up the tracks like you show (routed to individual 1820 channels) and have lines coming out from the back of the interface to the mixer. Any thoughts on what I'm missing?
Indeed. This may sound really stupid, but did you turn up the volume on your iPad? This has been the #1 solution I suggest for most, so far.
@@CaliforniaCreedence I did. So, like most guys I didn't read the instructions first. I didn't make any adjustments to the front of the panel; do either volume knobs play into it?
@@RusAnderson on the 1820, yes, the knows matter on the front of it. The 2 to the right. Is a signal registering in MT?
@@CaliforniaCreedence Yes it is. I didn't adjust the volume knobs on front.
@@RusAnderson is it working? If not, sometimes switching/loading different songs resolve the issue. Which presents mixer do you have?
thank you, very helpful info here.... not that hard to handle! ;)
Ha ha! Good one!
Curious...How do you charge your iPad while using it with an interface? Also, If I just wanted to send stereo tracks to the front of the house and only have the click with the drummer, could I get away with a two channel interface? Route the click to the headphone output? Or would the app need to see at least 4 actual outputs in order to route the click separately from the stereo tracks? Sorry for the long question. I tried to ask/think of it as best as I could. lol
Yes indeed. Good news for you all the way around. First, about the charging with the audio interface attached, use this device. Works great. www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07W92Q529/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Secondly, great news again. To use a 2 channel usb audio interface and the headphone out to route the click to the drummer is no problem at all! Just plug in your USB audio interface, and you will see the 2 channel stereo R/L (or output 1 and output 2) appear. Then, once you plug headphones into the headphone jack BOOM! 2 more channels show! Headphone Output 1 (left) and Headphone output 2 (right). So, route tracks for FOH to the audio interface output 1 (left) and 2 (right) and the click to one or both headphone outputs to send to the drummer. Remember, the headphone ports will not show up in Multitracker until you actually plug in the headphone cord or extension to the iPad headphone port.
Another little trick (if you want to go further) is get a y cord for the headphone out and route the click to only one of the headphone ports, and you have another port to route to the FOH for, say, bass tracks! All with just a simple 2 channel audio interface and the headphone out!
@@CaliforniaCreedence Thank You so much!!!
@@CaliforniaCreedence There's one more question I have concerning routing. Would I ( after setup from interface to multitrack ) be bale to take use my mixer as a headphone amp of sorts for the headphone input on my interface? Or would I need more outputs to begin with?
My plan is to take the stereo outputs and patch them into inputs 1 & 2 of my mixer. I'd love to have the click go separately into input 3 of my mixer so I can have ' analog ' control of the volume as oppose to turning it down in multitracker.
But I'm not sure if that's a possibility?
@@Nivej8180 So, what you would need to do is buy one of these:
www.amazon.com/CableCreation-Y-Cable-Splitter-Players-Amplifier/dp/B01JY2IA6A/ref=sr_1_21?dchild=1&keywords=1%2F8+stereo+headphone+mono+splitter&qid=1629152175&sr=8-21
Plug the 1/8' end into your iPad headphone jack. This will give you outputs 3 (ipad headphone Left) and 4 (ipad headphone Right).
So, you have 4 outputs. 1 and 2 would be your audio interface left and right. 3 and 4 would be your iPad headphone left and right, split into individual sends with the cable from Amazon.
Direct the click to iPad headphone left (output 3 in this scenario) and plug it into channel 3 on your mixer. That would give you analog control over click independently. Your audio interface would just go into Channels 1 and 2 of your mixer. The headphone output of your audio interface would not be useful in this case. Remember, the iPad headphone out gives you the extra two channels in addition to your audio interface. I am not sure if I answered your question. Feel free to keep asking until I get it right. Thanks!
@@CaliforniaCreedence You gave me a better alternative solution actually! Thanks
Where do you get get your backing tracks from? Live or the internet.
Hi Louis, This video involves tracks that I created on my own, but now, I get most of my tracks from Karaoke-Version. You have to be careful with Karaoke Version, because sometimes they a little cleaning up. So far, it has worked very well.
Anyone out there care to tell me what is needed to obtain backing tracks online and play with a solo guitarist? I'm not tech savvy need to know what devices are needed, interface or mixer interface?? Can both somehow be played through my practice amp at the same time ??? Replies appreciated,.
Hi Mike. The backing g tracks are obtained from Karaoke-version.com they are 3 bucks a song and when you download them, you can mute the click track and any other parts you don't want. It's a great deal. Let me know if you need help with setup.
How did you create the track speaks the "title" and song section "intro" ?
This is a long answer. Sorry. First, to announce the song, we type the name in ms word, slow the speed of the text to speech in ms word and resample it. The triggers or cues are at bandcues.com and scroll down to "Download your free cues pack". Another thing to try is karaoke-version.com, buy your song for 2.99, then download the tracks you want. Match the BPM in your DAW and drop the vocal cues and click track at the appropriate place. I am going to do a video on how to do all of this, but we are doing a couple shows first. At the 1 minute mark of this video, I display the finished version of the tracks, but before these were finished and exported, the tracks, cues and click were synced in Cubase (it looks a lot different than what you see at 1 minute in this video).
Amazing - look forward to ya demo 😉
Hi! Thank you , very clear tutorial vídeo; I have downloaded it today, but I can’t make it run multi output, I Connect headphones output works perfect, I connect the interface vial USB with the original camera kit and works, but it has to be one of both, once I connect one, the other stops the sounds; I can see both are running well, but just one sounds. I assigned correctly both output to both tracks in the song, actually I made it work just fine for one time, but I can’t make it anymore, anyone has the same problem? Thanks!
Hi Cardenas. I have done several tests and different scenarios, and it looks as if you cannot run both headphone and camera connector at the same time. I had the same experience. It worked once (heard signal and saw routing for both the USB Audio interface and Headphones one time and never again after that) which leads me to believe that it is not possible. If you want 4 separate outs, you have to get an audio interface with 4 outputs, it looks like. Sorry!
@@CaliforniaCreedence Ok, the finished chapter, thanks John! I appreciate it.
It support 24 bit/44 khz or 24 bit/48khz ?
The files it is playing in this video are 24bit/44khz. We prefer that resolution. But it easily plays 24bit/48khz.
Where can I get tracks like these
You can get tracks from karaoke-version.com. If you need help downloading and setting them up I have other videos on that, or I can walk you through it.
How to enter lyrics in multitracker
Hi Mark, there is not a lyric capability for this app. I think the app developer was focusing on backing tracks for full bands as opposed to individual performers who integrate lyrics with backing tracks. Sorry. This has been a popular request, and I have passed it on to the developer, but it has not yet been included, yet.
excellent good job
your videos are top
can the stems be loaded into the ipad (lets say my 128gb ipad air 2) directly from the PC without uploading them to the cloud?
Yes. You conntect via iTunes app for windows. In iTunes you will see an icon of an iPad. Click on it. On the left, click file sharing, click on multitracker, a list of files may appear in the box on the right. Open another file explorer window and browse for the folder with your tracks. Drag that folder into the box on the right in itunes. Wait a couple minutes to allow the files to transfer. You will see the folder in that right side pane in a few minutes (when you highlighted multitracker in itunes) The files have been transferred to your iPad. To add them in multitracker, go to the file manager menu in MT, make a folder with the song name, select import, then select On My iPad, then Multitracker, find the folder you dragged and dropped from your pc and add the files. Thats it! You can do all of this while the iPad is still connected to itunes. So you can transfer as many folders you want for that iTunes session.
@@CaliforniaCreedence great, it seems that app will work for me.. i used to play multitracks with loopcommunity prime but now they only give you 300mb free cloud storage and i cannot be paying a monthly subscription.. i prefer to pay a single time for the app with full audio functionallity (no midi) and use my 128gb storage for all my multitracks.. just one last question.. whats the aproximate price in usd... cause on my ipad it says 499 but i dont know if its dollars or mexican pesos
@@davidcastro3897 The program Multitracker, if you buy all functionality, is a one time payment of $27 US dollars. That's all. If you just but the audio functionality it is 13 bucks! One time. It is equally as powerful as loopcommunity prime! I have used this for major shows, worship and more.
@@CaliforniaCreedence thanks a lot for your help i really appreciate that... finally i have found the best alternative for prime
@@davidcastro3897 you will like it. The only thing is that I haven't found it able to loop a region during a song. But I never used that. Never needed it. I deploy songs as I programmed them with no spontaneous loops, and I am decent enough on keys to play atmosphere music for worship interludes (if you use it in houses of worship). Glad to help!
Great Video Thanks Can i make locators (verse,chorus...) in Multitracker What is the ideal configuration on the ipad to work live with audio files?
This is a "one shot" player. Although it is very powerful in delivering multitracks to an audio interface with multi outputs, it does not have the capabilities of Ableton (which I have been using since 2014 for backing tracks). Loop locators or verse/chorus locators are not a part of this app. The best setup for this app is at least a 4 output audio interface (cheap one is fine). Ipad sees the Presonus 44VSL, Behringer Uphoria interfaces, Soundcraft 24 Track mixer with an audio interface, Steinberg UR28M interface, even the audio interface in keyboards like the Yamaha Montage, pretty much whatever. Very powerful. I prefer multitracks at .wav files at 44.1 khz at 24 bit depth (a common resolution from ProTools, which I use, as well as, Cubase Pro 10.5). You can use Mp3's to save space, though, and that works fine. The routing for 4 outs would be outs 1 and 2 = R/L to the house, out 3 is if you have bass tracks (multitracker allows multi-routing), out 4 is for the click and vocal cues sent to a muted channel on the mixer and routed to in-ear monitor aux sends set to PreFader so that the click is in the ears but not in the house. Not sure if that helps. Thanks for the positive feedback!
@@CaliforniaCreedence Very Thanks Great explantion What the ideal ipad for this setup; model, cpu, memory(ram), storage... Regards
@@quimzealex9629 Glad I can help. The iPad you are looking at in this video is our main performance iPad, the iPad Air First Gen (A7 64bit CPU and 1gb RAM. I have 128gb storage because I like to use .wav files). Our backup iPad is a newer iPad 10.2 with the A10 processor. Truthfully, Multitracker runs very lean and can easily run on an iPad Air First Gen (I wouldn't go older than that). iPad Air first gen is about 170 to 210 on ebay for one with 128gb storage. The new iPad 10.2 outperforms my 10.2 that I bought in April of 2020. The new 10.2 is superior as it uses the A12 cpu. Yes, it is a lofty 429.00 for the 128gb version (new). Our primary iPad for all shows is the iPad Air first gen and it experiences no resource overload. As I said, Multitracker is extremely resource lean for all that it does. If you can find a good deal on any iPad between those versions (Air 1st gen to the present), go for it. Just make sure to get the 128gb version. If you change your mind and want to use .wav files because mP3's don't sound as good (and you wanted to save a few bucks and got a 32 or 64gb version), you will regret not getting the 128gb storage.
@@CaliforniaCreedence Fantastic Brien Precious information Thank very much It would be great to have the locator markers(verse, chorus...) implemented in a next multitracker update
Locators are possible. In song config, click in the green area.left of midi remote. Locator setup will then be on the left panel.
Thank you