amazingly simple setup...we've been using the whole laptop w/ mini mixer etc etc etc...so much gear! thanks for this tip...seems much more efficient, cost-effective, and reliable!!
Been using ipod classic with this set up for the past 10 years. I used macbook beforehand but it was pain in the ass. Now i’m trying to find another option to make it simpler.
i bought a Behringer Xenyx mixer for my in ears and have to post one notice with that. The mixer sends out constant phantom power and can trigger the main PA mixers protection and shut it down. I have therefore switched to a small Yamaha mixer with switchable phantom power.
A few questions, 1) first how do you load your track onto your phone? 2) the Di to the desk, is that what the extension is for? 3) the mic input isn’t needed for baking tracks right? 4) is the desk just to control the volumes?
This is an awesome video. I also want to throw out there that for guitar players, you can also use the boss Rc-3 to load up your backing tracks on. I started doing this about a year ago and it is amazing for those who want full control out on stage. The pedal allows you to store up to 99 different tracks and you can switch between tracks with an external foot switch and you can run the tracks out to A DI and then to a mini mixer just like in this video. The key is that you don't have any inputs going into the pedal and you just run the pedal with an output to a DI and then to the board and this gives you a foot controller with all of you were stored backing tracks ready to use on stage
Hello Stephen, where do you get your backtrack? Most of the songs I want to play were not recorded on the click, its really hard to align them on the click. how do you do ? thanks
Any tips for "Click bleed"? I have been using this method live and in practice and there is still a small amount of the click coming out of the mains. I have the clicks panned all the way left and the tracks panned all the way to the right. Ive tried both a dual DI box and two separate DI boxes.
Not sure if this will be relevant to you but I have heard of Exporting the tracks as .WAV files instead of .MP3s - if you're not doing that already that is
this really helps me a lot! I've always wanted to do it with my bands but it felt like such a production to invest in to. my bassist does live monitors for big bands and always tells me about their whole protocols rig. this however seems very achievable and practical for someone at my level, so thank you! !!
Stephen question is there any other app you might know ? I tried searching and it’s not available anymore if you or anyone has a link I’d apréciate it.
Hi. I hope I'm not late for this answer. When you create your music in whatever daw you use (pro tools, Nuendo, Cubase, etc.), you just simply pan the click 100% to the left and the rest of the instruments 100% to the right (so that there is no "bleeding"). Then you choose export stereo interleaved and you are done. You now have a stereo file with click on one side and music on the other.
there's a similar app to sound cue called Prime. it allows you to run tracks and click and also mix them as well. it's the cheaper way to do clicks and separate tracks without ableton. it's free but I believe all the uploading has to be done through the cloud. I would use it for my stuff if I wasn't also using ableton to control lights to the click and tracks
So you pic the bpm of the track for the click but I find that the bpm of the recordings fluctuate. How do you deal with that? I can match the track and then the click starts to float a bit. When we just play to the click it's ok but when I mix in the backing track? Thanks for all the great information!!
Can you download or transfer your backing track files from iTunes to the app on your phone? And if not using a phone to store the backing tracks, what device do you recommend? ipod? laptop?
Newbie here. If performing live as a one-man band, how do you get a tick-tick-tick lead-in so that you know when the first note of the MP3 backing track is coming?
Great video, Is there an easy way like this to output the sequences in stereo? Our producer says it would sound way better live, but all the tutorials i see seem to output the sequences in mono
You must have an interface that has 4 outputs and have cue mixes send to them, the only way I can picture that happening is using a notebook with a daw
So when you pan the backing tracks hard right and send it to the FOH does that mean its in mono? So when the feed comes back to you and out to the audience its only mono? If so, is it the regular way? Does it even matter if the audience or the band hears the backing tracks in mono or stereo? active or passive di box?
This is awesome thanks for explaining! Ive heard of bands using two iPods in this setup - one as backup in case the other fails. Can anyone explain how to set that up please?
Stephen, thanks so much for this video. 2 questions. 1) what exact splitter cable is that? (The one in the video) is it just the Live Wire cable? 2) when making the tracks in logic, do I basically just pan the click to the left and the rest of the track to the right and then export it? Or do I have to do something else after I export it? And also, if the backing track has multiple instruments/elements on it, do I need to get it professionally mixed so it sounds good through the venue's PA?
You need to make the click mono though which he forgot to mention. If it’s in stereo and you pan it left will just go to the left speaker. At least this is what I ran into a few years ago when I made my own. But I haven’t made any of my own in a long time because every else already has them and or I get them from karaoke-.version.com so it’s already mixed . No you don’t need it professionally mixed but if your making it yourself and you have multiple layers of instruments then your going to want to play around with levels . But other then that you can go to karaoke-version.com if your doing covers
Awesome to know, we tried using my iPhone last night at practice but the clicks came through the speakers as well, but they didn't with the laptop. I've got Soundcue on my phone now so maybe that was the difference? :)
You need to separate the click and the back track to different ways (Left and Right) thru the software that you use. For me, i put left channel with click and back track and the other channel only for back track (this channel will be the one that can be heard by the audience)
Great video man! But I have a question, do you have any click bleed to the other channel? Cause I'm using the same set up (minus the mixer) and the metronome is a bit audible on the channel with the tracks.
A real concern, yes ! I use Logic. It’s an additional step or two, but, you import a stereo or mono sound file and use “image” function and move it to 90 degree direction (Lor R) do the same with click (but opposite side) this way, you won’t lose any fidelity in a stereo file but just “bias” adjustment (and yes, I’ve had bled before also)
If i have audio in my backing track that goes from left to right will it all be on one side if i mix the backing track to that side? Like a panning effect from one side of the stage to the other.
Ok possible dumb question...are the click and backing tracks two different files that you combine in the app? Or is it one file with the click panned hard left and backing track panned hard right?
Steve, how are you getting the click and the backing track to playback together? I noticed in SoundCue that you can only run one selection / button at a time.
Awesome video Stephen, very insightful! I've always wondered how people ran this setup and you've made it sound so easy with this app and what minimal money you have to spend! So thank you!
I always just ran full mix of the songs (minus the drums of course) and a click on the right channel and the backing tracks that are needed by the mains on the left. So basically, I am listening to a CD onstage. I'd love to try using the actual live monitor instead of recorded tracks. I just feel like most sound guys in the local scene cant figure out how to do something that's "Different" than their usual way.
Yea...you're at the mercy of the sound guy with the tracks in this setting. Unless you also have the board on the back of the stage with you...or a sound board with an app for your ipad you can control.
Right. The problem I had was I wasn't really hearing the band so it was hard to truly connect with them. One of the other things I hated was having to count off every song. This isn't bad when the whole band comes in at once. But for songs that start with the vocals or the guitar, it seems awkward. But that is something I guess you have to do when the drummer is playing to a click no matter what. Unless of course everyone plays to a click in which case you can forego this.
Hi Taylor/Everyone, what is required for an mp3 player (FiiO X1 MKII) regarding DI box? Passive or active? Which brand is OK for live shows under 100$ ?
Does the splitter cable eliminate click bleed? I already have a track panned left and right (click to the left and track to the right) but I can still hear the click track on the right. Given we don't want the click to be heard by people listening. Your answer will surely help me.
It should eliminate it, although it really varies depending on the device. Read through the comments on this video. There are some good thoughts from others that have used this live and needed to troubleshoot issues.
.Richard Samson Did you ever find a way around the problem? I have this issue with an iphone 5c even though I'm using a splitter cable. If I play the same tracks through my tascam mini recorder there is no bleed, so apparently it's an apple/itunes issue somewhat. Really wish I could use the app though.
Hello. We have a small 5 man singing group. We are sending tracks to our sound system with Bluetooth. It sounds pretty good and we think it will work. We think we just need a app or something to stop start our songs. Will this work?
Yea...although I don't know that I would rely on bluetooth to send those tracks. It's just unreliable. I would send the sound board a line for the tracks. Much less that can go wrong in that scenario.
How are you starting the track? I don't want to have to hold a phone... then put the phone down .. etc. Yopu don't discuss this? I use a Roland SPD and all I do is hit a pad. I need a triggered approach...
church has an aviom system in place already. I was wondering if there's a way to wire a metronome into only my ears from my phone. no real need to send the click to the sound guy. any suggestions?
+Leo Gonzalez There should be an "in" on your more me box where you can input the click. Or, the sound guy can run you a DI and you can input the click via a cable like the one I showed in the video. He could then send that to your ears.
Excellent video. Do you know if this would be a good setup for a solo artist working off tracks? Or is this overkill. I'm finding that small venues make you switch your own tracks. Thanks for any info you can provide.
Is it possible to send the backing tracks in mono, but to have the click in stereo with this kind of small mixers and and iphone/ipad? I mean, not using a computer and a DAW.
I tought it too, and it wont, tried yesterday with iphone 11, and I cant find a way how to split to left and right...Have no problem with Ipad with classic jack...so it has to something to do with that lightning to jack dongle
@@RyanForschBass i might find solution tho, theres switch in the settings that let u play left and right separately, I dont have that adapter rn so I need to try later, but it works with Airpods
@@n00bguitarist88 ahh amazing! In future i'm just gonna buy a second ipod or ipad and have that as a dedicated device but what you've said will work in the meantime, thanks!
Really useful video Stephen, especially now that im looking to work solo. A question if you dont mind, where do you get your backing tracks from? Are they midi tracks or wav tracks? Thx so much!
It just depends. Some have been mp3's, some wav. If they're midi, you will probably need to do this another way. This is just a rough work around. Anything deeper and you need to begin looking at software like Logic or Ableton
Yeah you're right... However I was wondering if you could recommend a website where to get good quality backing tracks with click preferably... Thx so much!
hi...I use audacity to put all my tracks there along with the click, then I make sure they are all in sync and I pan the click to the left and all the other tracks are panned right, then I export it as single MP3 to my desktop. When I check the new MP3, I see that its a stereo file with all tracks to the right and the click track to the left. Unfortunately, when I play the song out of my laptop to my mixer (using 1/8 cable from laptop split to (2) 1/4 males - which I put 1 plug into channel 1 on the mixer and the other plug into channel 2 of the mixer)...I then use the pan knobs on each channel and turn one all the way to the left and one all the way to the right....but I'm still getting a mix of both the click track and backing track....they are not separate tracks...I don't seem to get just click track on channel 1 and just backing tracks on channel 2?? . . . . any ideas?
Thomas Kuerlemann MP3 has "cross talk" between the channels. Just because of how they're designed. Run the tracks as a WAV file with the click on one side and the tracks on the other side.
How about putting the track and the click into your mixer so you can have the click and track in your ears (you can control the level). Then send the track side to a send output on your mixer which then goes to the DI (I recommend you bring your own) and then into the stage boxes. Less for the sound man to deal with. Less that can go wrong.
So I run backing like this but the click keeps bleeding to the opposite side. I've looked it up and found that it may me cross talk/bleed but haven't found a solution. Does anyone know how to fix this? Thank you in advance.
I have exactly the same issue ang gigs are coming up. Not able to figure out where the click bleed gets introduced. iPhone jack? Cables? Crosstalk in my mixer? Read more in my thread here: www.gearslutz.com/board/live-sound/1282327-backing-tracks-click-bleed.html
Hey man thanks did this with my band the thing is my drummer can only hear the click track on one side of his inears , is there a way to make it stereo?
What happens if youre playing a set and someone fones you. Im just getting into using backing tracks with the drums. But its only me playing to a prerecorded track and every one just follows me. Iv not had anyone ring me yet but its a worry if playing a gig.
Harrington airplane mode more or less turns off any function your phone operates that isn't hardwired in the phone. Phone calls, messages, internet. Anything that requires a signal of any kind is turned off. It's also a great way to play games and not get ads because the ads need internet service to come through lol
I've been touring for quite a few years using the stock media player in an Android device. (I do have to borrow a bandmate's phone everytime, since my Asus phone doesn't totally separate L / R. That sucks.) Of course you still have to render the audio files with the click in one side of the stereo and the backing track in the other. Also, I use a small Behringer headphone amp instead of the mixer. It does the job.
Should I bet that most venues will have a DI box that I can use when I run the tracks or would it be safer it I just bought my own? If so, anyone have recommendations on what type, active vs passive etc..
Man, there's not really any except it's an easier interface to deal with on the gig. That's really all. You could run the same setup and just use iTunes playlists.
Thanks for this Stephen! Did you create the backing tracks or purchase them? I know tracks can be purchased from Christian music from Loop Community or Mulitracks.com. But what about tracks for secular music?
Wouldn't that make the backing tracks your sending to the audience mono? If you bounce 2 of the same backing track, one hard right and one hard left with the click, the audience would hear the whole track but not the panning effect done on the mix of the backing track. Wouldn't you want your audience to hear the stereo effect of the backing track?
+SuperVistaprint If you are in a band or situation where you need to run a click track as well as pre-recorded backing tracks (which is very common in professional situations these days). The drummer is usually the one responsible for running the tracks, click, and counting the band in. This is a video geared more towards working drummers/musicians or drummers that are in a band that runs backing tracks. Hope that helps!
it did, thank you! i would´ve put the role of that to the soundguy, but yeah it is easier to do that bandintern, so you don´t have to explain it to a new person everytime, the fuck up risk is lower. got it ;)
Hello, I don't understand something. Click track i understand but Backing track it's not clear for me. Is it what other musicians plays in live or is it your music ? If it's your track/music, it's not strange to play without earing other musicians ? (anyway thank you for your time and your useful videos !!)
Unless... you want to run stereo tracks! For that you are going to need more than an iPhone, sadly. There are still great options, such as a DAW on a laptop with an affordable digital mixer like the XR12 from Berhinger.
No, they've made a solution for that now it seems (if you read the comments below this video, some of the viewers have some great recomendations). You're right, when I filmed this you couldn't do a stereo out. The app is found here for doing this stereo through a mobile device: Syncinside.net
Oh I just checked out SyncInside. That's a smart use of a Camera kit compliant interface. I am using an XR12 digital mixer with DAW control, because my keys are Addictive Keys, and I also use the DAW to control all of my guitar pedals and the faders for FOH. Oh, and sync and play the video we have for each track. Now, if a mobile device could do all of that!?!? I have a litte video I just did showing that this past weekend. Always trying to simplify...
This is basically my go-to setup, but in 10% of the cases I get click bleed to PA/FOH which CANNOT happen. Still unclear WHERE in the signal chain the click bleeds over? Feel free to comment after reading my post here: www.gearslutz.com/board/live-sound/1282327-backing-tracks-click-bleed.html
Update: Gig yesterday. Soundcheck was alright, everything connected. First song: left channel and right channel suddenly reversed and click getting to FOH! Stranger thing is that it only took twisting the cable 180 degrees by the iPhone's headphone output to "switch" the channels again. Very strange. No explanation. Never trust Apple, in a nutshell.
I know it's been two years but I had the same issue and discovered that it is an apple soundcard issue. Exporting on an older apple computer will cause this issue. Newer ones have better soundcards and can export an actual hard pan.
@@alex-lk4gh Thanks for input Alex. I figured this issue out more than a year ago after experimenting with various DI boxes, cables and setups. It's the internal soundcard/connectors in the actual mobile phone. At times it just decides to let L go inte R, and sometimes not. It has nothing at all to do with the exported files, as they always were perfectly fine and hard panned in my case.
I don't understand why people are using backing tracks? Do bands not make their own music live anymore?? When I play gigs, our band plays the music as you hear it. 100% live. No backing tracks or anything like that. Not sure why most "professional" bands still require the help of backing tracks.
Good question. Oftentimes, it simply has to do with the economics of it. To bring 5 or 6 extra players on the road or to a gig to play those extra parts would be to expensive. Sometimes it has to do with the style of music...more electronic. Backing tracks and samples aren't a bad thing. They're part of the musical landscape now and when used correctly, can really add to the music I think
Not hating on ya but tech has ruined music, get away from triggers and click tracks and play the music the way it was meant to be played by humans in the end your music will be 1000 times better.... great channel... thanks for helping so many drummers
"You don't have to get paid for everything in life, people. Some things are just cool to tell other people about." Right on!
THIS GUY IS SO LEGIT!
This guy is a great communicator, down to earth AND full of simple, stage knowledge...
Thanks so much Gino
Could you make a video on how you record/all of the equipment you use to do it?
amazingly simple setup...we've been using the whole laptop w/ mini mixer etc etc etc...so much gear! thanks for this tip...seems much more efficient, cost-effective, and reliable!!
I use the SAMPL app for iPhone with my band. Same app concept, very consistent and... FREE!
How does it work? the sampl app?
Been using ipod classic with this set up for the past 10 years. I used macbook beforehand but it was pain in the ass. Now i’m trying to find another option to make it simpler.
What is the app? I can’t find it. Thanks in advance.
i bought a Behringer Xenyx mixer for my in ears and have to post one notice with that. The mixer sends out constant phantom power and can trigger the main PA mixers protection and shut it down. I have therefore switched to a small Yamaha mixer with switchable phantom power.
A few questions,
1) first how do you load your track onto your phone?
2) the Di to the desk, is that what the extension is for?
3) the mic input isn’t needed for baking tracks right?
4) is the desk just to control the volumes?
This is an awesome video. I also want to throw out there that for guitar players, you can also use the boss Rc-3 to load up your backing tracks on. I started doing this about a year ago and it is amazing for those who want full control out on stage. The pedal allows you to store up to 99 different tracks and you can switch between tracks with an external foot switch and you can run the tracks out to A DI and then to a mini mixer just like in this video. The key is that you don't have any inputs going into the pedal and you just run the pedal with an output to a DI and then to the board and this gives you a foot controller with all of you were stored backing tracks ready to use on stage
Help me out. As far as i´m getting it. You have one channle running the click and the other one is running the track. So is the track in Mono??.
Hello Stephen, where do you get your backtrack? Most of the songs I want to play were not recorded on the click, its really hard to align them on the click. how do you do ?
thanks
Any tips for "Click bleed"? I have been using this method live and in practice and there is still a small amount of the click coming out of the mains. I have the clicks panned all the way left and the tracks panned all the way to the right. Ive tried both a dual DI box and two separate DI boxes.
Not sure if this will be relevant to you but I have heard of Exporting the tracks as .WAV files instead of .MP3s - if you're not doing that already that is
this really helps me a lot! I've always wanted to do it with my bands but it felt like such a production to invest in to. my bassist does live monitors for big bands and always tells me about their whole protocols rig. this however seems very achievable and practical for someone at my level, so thank you! !!
*protools rig
Good system that is. I've worked with a band that does that system and it really works well.
Stephen question is there any other app you might know ? I tried searching and it’s not available anymore if you or anyone has a link I’d apréciate it.
How do you send the click out of the left cable and the backing track out of the right - how do you separate them? Thanks!
Hi. I hope I'm not late for this answer. When you create your music in whatever daw you use (pro tools, Nuendo, Cubase, etc.), you just simply pan the click 100% to the left and the rest of the instruments 100% to the right (so that there is no "bleeding"). Then you choose export stereo interleaved and you are done. You now have a stereo file with click on one side and music on the other.
Looked on both Apple and Android and could not find SoundCue. Great lesson!
Nelson Benson it might be for certain kinds of iPads only?
there's a similar app to sound cue called Prime. it allows you to run tracks and click and also mix them as well. it's the cheaper way to do clicks and separate tracks without ableton. it's free but I believe all the uploading has to be done through the cloud. I would use it for my stuff if I wasn't also using ableton to control lights to the click and tracks
So this video was 8 years ago, do u see use same setup? What app?
what timing. i am literally needing to do this exact thing now!
Love it...glad it helped
So you pic the bpm of the track for the click but I find that the bpm of the recordings fluctuate. How do you deal with that? I can match the track and then the click starts to float a bit. When we just play to the click it's ok but when I mix in the backing track? Thanks for all the great information!!
It sounds like you'd have to go in and digitally correct the backing track to stay on beat.
Can you download or transfer your backing track files from iTunes to the app on your phone? And if not using a phone to store the backing tracks, what device do you recommend? ipod? laptop?
Nama of the app? Soundquelight?
When came u use Sound cloud for play along as well for when u play with the in ears running thru the mixing board?
Newbie here. If performing live as a one-man band, how do you get a tick-tick-tick lead-in so that you know when the first note of the MP3 backing track is coming?
You have to drop it in to something like pro tools or garage band, put that at the front of the track, and export it as a new track
Great video, Is there an easy way like this to output the sequences in stereo? Our producer says it would sound way better live, but all the tutorials i see seem to output the sequences in mono
You must have an interface that has 4 outputs and have cue mixes send to them, the only way I can picture that happening is using a notebook with a daw
So when you pan the backing tracks hard right and send it to the FOH does that mean its in mono? So when the feed comes back to you and out to the audience its only mono? If so, is it the regular way? Does it even matter if the audience or the band hears the backing tracks in mono or stereo? active or passive di box?
This is awesome thanks for explaining! Ive heard of bands using two iPods in this setup - one as backup in case the other fails. Can anyone explain how to set that up please?
Soundcue is no longer an app. Help!!! What are some other apps that do the same thing?!
Hey man. Thanks a lot for this video, it really helped! I do have one question: which D.I. Box should I get? Any special one?
Countryman makes some great ones.
Stephen, thanks so much for this video.
2 questions.
1) what exact splitter cable is that? (The one in the video) is it just the Live Wire cable?
2) when making the tracks in logic, do I basically just pan the click to the left and the rest of the track to the right and then export it? Or do I have to do something else after I export it? And also, if the backing track has multiple instruments/elements on it, do I need to get it professionally mixed so it sounds good through the venue's PA?
You need to make the click mono though which he forgot to mention. If it’s in stereo and you pan it left will just go to the left speaker. At least this is what I ran into a few years ago when I made my own. But I haven’t made any of my own in a long time because every else already has them and or I get them from karaoke-.version.com so it’s already mixed .
No you don’t need it professionally mixed but if your making it yourself and you have multiple layers of instruments then your going to want to play around with levels . But other then that you can go to karaoke-version.com if your doing covers
Awesome to know, we tried using my iPhone last night at practice but the clicks came through the speakers as well, but they didn't with the laptop. I've got Soundcue on my phone now so maybe that was the difference? :)
You need to separate the click and the back track to different ways (Left and Right) thru the software that you use. For me, i put left channel with click and back track and the other channel only for back track (this channel will be the one that can be heard by the audience)
Great video man! But I have a question, do you have any click bleed to the other channel? Cause I'm using the same set up (minus the mixer) and the metronome is a bit audible on the channel with the tracks.
A real concern, yes ! I use Logic. It’s an additional step or two, but, you import a stereo or mono sound file and use “image” function and move it to 90 degree direction (Lor R) do the same with click (but opposite side) this way, you won’t lose any fidelity in a stereo file but just “bias” adjustment (and yes, I’ve had bled before also)
would be nice to know what that little black gadget was called (clearly)
The track sent to the FOH can only be mono this way, right?
If i have audio in my backing track that goes from left to right will it all be on one side if i mix the backing track to that side? Like a panning effect from one side of the stage to the other.
How do I hookup my note 9 phone to my BR800 to download tracks?
Ok possible dumb question...are the click and backing tracks two different files that you combine in the app? Or is it one file with the click panned hard left and backing track panned hard right?
One track panned
Steve, how are you getting the click and the backing track to playback together? I noticed in SoundCue that you can only run one selection / button at a time.
Sound cue won't do that. You have to merge them in another software, pan one hard right and one hard left.
Is there a similar app for Android phones?
Hi stephen very useful video great explination, but how would I actually trigger the tracks while playing live ?
By hand or buy a midi pedal with usb interface.
Is it possible to get a stereo splitter and send the click and tracks to the whole band? Thanks
Reeves Golda Yes, but you have to run it to the main mixer/front of house.
Awesome video Stephen, very insightful! I've always wondered how people ran this setup and you've made it sound so easy with this app and what minimal money you have to spend! So thank you!
I always just ran full mix of the songs (minus the drums of course) and a click on the right channel and the backing tracks that are needed by the mains on the left. So basically, I am listening to a CD onstage. I'd love to try using the actual live monitor instead of recorded tracks. I just feel like most sound guys in the local scene cant figure out how to do something that's "Different" than their usual way.
Yea...you're at the mercy of the sound guy with the tracks in this setting. Unless you also have the board on the back of the stage with you...or a sound board with an app for your ipad you can control.
Right. The problem I had was I wasn't really hearing the band so it was hard to truly connect with them. One of the other things I hated was having to count off every song. This isn't bad when the whole band comes in at once. But for songs that start with the vocals or the guitar, it seems awkward. But that is something I guess you have to do when the drummer is playing to a click no matter what. Unless of course everyone plays to a click in which case you can forego this.
Hi nice video btw very helpful, I have a question if you don’t have a digital mixer I have a semi digital can I still do all this?
You should be able to in some way set it up for this
Hi Taylor/Everyone,
what is required for an mp3 player (FiiO X1 MKII) regarding DI box? Passive or active? Which brand is OK for live shows under 100$ ?
Does the splitter cable eliminate click bleed? I already have a track panned left and right (click to the left and track to the right) but I can still hear the click track on the right. Given we don't want the click to be heard by people listening. Your answer will surely help me.
It should eliminate it, although it really varies depending on the device. Read through the comments on this video. There are some good thoughts from others that have used this live and needed to troubleshoot issues.
Thanks man! I really appreciate it. Keep up the good job on educating people.
.Richard Samson Did you ever find a way around the problem? I have this issue with an iphone 5c even though I'm using a splitter cable. If I play the same tracks through my tascam mini recorder there is no bleed, so apparently it's an apple/itunes issue somewhat. Really wish I could use the app though.
what type of di box do i use? passive or active?
Hello. We have a small 5 man singing group. We are sending tracks to our sound system with Bluetooth. It sounds pretty good and we think it will work. We think we just need a app or something to stop start our songs. Will this work?
Yea...although I don't know that I would rely on bluetooth to send those tracks. It's just unreliable. I would send the sound board a line for the tracks. Much less that can go wrong in that scenario.
How are you starting the track? I don't want to have to hold a phone... then put the phone down .. etc. Yopu don't discuss this? I use a Roland SPD and all I do is hit a pad. I need a triggered approach...
Can’t find SOUND CUE LIGHT anywhere
church has an aviom system in place already. I was wondering if there's a way to wire a metronome into only my ears from my phone. no real need to send the click to the sound guy. any suggestions?
+Leo Gonzalez There should be an "in" on your more me box where you can input the click. Or, the sound guy can run you a DI and you can input the click via a cable like the one I showed in the video. He could then send that to your ears.
Excellent video. Do you know if this would be a good setup for a solo artist working off tracks? Or is this overkill. I'm finding that small venues make you switch your own tracks. Thanks for any info you can provide.
I don't think it's overkill. Anything you can bring to the table helps. And, this is a cheap alternative that is super easy to set up.
Stephen Taylor what if sound board doesn't have D I box?
What’s the name of the app again
Is it possible to send the backing tracks in mono, but to have the click in stereo with this kind of small mixers and and iphone/ipad? I mean, not using a computer and a DAW.
Why would you want your click track in stereo??
Can I use my BR800 as a mixing board? Do I need a DI box, do I need 2 DI boxes
I imagine a 1/8" to lightning convertor would work fine with modern iphones?
I tought it too, and it wont, tried yesterday with iphone 11, and I cant find a way how to split to left and right...Have no problem with Ipad with classic jack...so it has to something to do with that lightning to jack dongle
@@n00bguitarist88 Thanks for letting me know! Still irritates me that Apple removed the jack from modern phones
@@RyanForschBass i might find solution tho, theres switch in the settings that let u play left and right separately, I dont have that adapter rn so I need to try later, but it works with Airpods
@@n00bguitarist88 ahh amazing! In future i'm just gonna buy a second ipod or ipad and have that as a dedicated device but what you've said will work in the meantime, thanks!
Really useful video Stephen, especially now that im looking to work solo. A question if you dont mind, where do you get your backing tracks from? Are they midi tracks or wav tracks? Thx so much!
It just depends. Some have been mp3's, some wav. If they're midi, you will probably need to do this another way. This is just a rough work around. Anything deeper and you need to begin looking at software like Logic or Ableton
Yeah you're right... However I was wondering if you could recommend a website where to get good quality backing tracks with click preferably... Thx so much!
Hey dawg, where can I get a cable like that/what would I type in to find it?
Which cable?
hi...I use audacity to put all my tracks there along with the click, then I make sure they are all in sync and I pan the click to the left and all the other tracks are panned right, then I export it as single MP3 to my desktop. When I check the new MP3, I see that its a stereo file with all tracks to the right and the click track to the left. Unfortunately, when I play the song out of my laptop to my mixer (using 1/8 cable from laptop split to (2) 1/4 males - which I put 1 plug into channel 1 on the mixer and the other plug into channel 2 of the mixer)...I then use the pan knobs on each channel and turn one all the way to the left and one all the way to the right....but I'm still getting a mix of both the click track and backing track....they are not separate tracks...I don't seem to get just click track on channel 1 and just backing tracks on channel 2?? . . . . any ideas?
Thomas Kuerlemann
MP3 has "cross talk" between the channels. Just because of how they're designed. Run the tracks as a WAV file with the click on one side and the tracks on the other side.
Thanks for the info! I appreciate it....
Ok great but how do I hear the rest of my bands instruments? Do I take the monitor mix and route it to the personal mixer as well?
I'm interested in hearing how to do that too
How about putting the track and the click into your mixer so you can have the click and track in your ears (you can control the level). Then send the track side to a send output on your mixer which then goes to the DI (I recommend you bring your own) and then into the stage boxes. Less for the sound man to deal with. Less that can go wrong.
What case is that?
So I run backing like this but the click keeps bleeding to the opposite side. I've looked it up and found that it may me cross talk/bleed but haven't found a solution. Does anyone know how to fix this? Thank you in advance.
I have exactly the same issue ang gigs are coming up. Not able to figure out where the click bleed gets introduced. iPhone jack? Cables? Crosstalk in my mixer? Read more in my thread here: www.gearslutz.com/board/live-sound/1282327-backing-tracks-click-bleed.html
Very informative Stephen. Cheers! Just curious however, what's that case you using to store the mixer, cables, etc.?
It's a camera travel case you can find on Amazon for about $25.
Awesome! Thanks man!
Hey man thanks did this with my band the thing is my drummer can only hear the click track on one side of his inears , is there a way to make it stereo?
alberto espinosa Yes. Since the splitter is stereo to mono r&l you simply need to a mono to stereo adapter.
What happens if youre playing a set and someone fones you. Im just getting into using backing tracks with the drums. But its only me playing to a prerecorded track and every one just follows me. Iv not had anyone ring me yet but its a worry if playing a gig.
Put it on airplane mode when you use it at gigs. The call won't come through.
Stephen Taylor sweet. Does it work for messages to man.
Harrington airplane mode more or less turns off any function your phone operates that isn't hardwired in the phone. Phone calls, messages, internet. Anything that requires a signal of any kind is turned off. It's also a great way to play games and not get ads because the ads need internet service to come through lol
Mate. which hard case your using to store all the backing track equipment?
It’s actually a camera hard case. I think I talk about it later in the video.
Can you PLEASE PLEASE find a similar app for Android users?
Have you checked SAMPL? I use it on my iPhone, not sure it's available for android
I've been touring for quite a few years using the stock media player in an Android device. (I do have to borrow a bandmate's phone everytime, since my Asus phone doesn't totally separate L / R. That sucks.) Of course you still have to render the audio files with the click in one side of the stereo and the backing track in the other.
Also, I use a small Behringer headphone amp instead of the mixer. It does the job.
Pedro Petracco hi, which headphone amp do you use?
Kerem Akay Cheap little Behringer 4-channel. Gray rectangular box. I don't recall the model...
Is it the HA 400?
what is the source of BT's?
Should I bet that most venues will have a DI box that I can use when I run the tracks or would it be safer it I just bought my own? If so, anyone have recommendations on what type, active vs passive etc..
+Bruce Wrecksauce Most venues will have a DI box, but it depends on where you're playing. If in doubt, bring your own.
+Stephen Taylor thanks man
How do you loop a track?
I can’t find the app
Late to the party but what is the advantage to using the app vs. just playing the tracks in a playlist in iTunes/Music app?
Man, there's not really any except it's an easier interface to deal with on the gig. That's really all. You could run the same setup and just use iTunes playlists.
Get on with it!
Thanks! This is exactly what I was looking for! God bless, and Peace!
Thanks for this Stephen! Did you create the backing tracks or purchase them? I know tracks can be purchased from Christian music from Loop Community or Mulitracks.com. But what about tracks for secular music?
+Christian Canalita The tracks are produced by the artist that I'm working with at the time.
Wouldn't that make the backing tracks your sending to the audience mono? If you bounce 2 of the same backing track, one hard right and one hard left with the click, the audience would hear the whole track but not the panning effect done on the mix of the backing track. Wouldn't you want your audience to hear the stereo effect of the backing track?
Maxwell Brewer you wouldn't want a stereo effect live.
Do you have a stick bag if you do can you show us what is in you bag
that was awesome and very helpful. thanks.
Dude that was a good topic, Thx!!
could someone please enlighten me to why i need this? i liked the video cause it was well explained how to use it, but why should i use it?
+SuperVistaprint If you are in a band or situation where you need to run a click track as well as pre-recorded backing tracks (which is very common in professional situations these days). The drummer is usually the one responsible for running the tracks, click, and counting the band in. This is a video geared more towards working drummers/musicians or drummers that are in a band that runs backing tracks.
Hope that helps!
it did, thank you! i would´ve put the role of that to the soundguy, but yeah it is easier to do that bandintern, so you don´t have to explain it to a new person everytime, the fuck up risk is lower. got it ;)
Hello, I don't understand something. Click track i understand but Backing track it's not clear for me. Is it what other musicians plays in live or is it your music ? If it's your track/music, it's not strange to play without earing other musicians ? (anyway thank you for your time and your useful videos !!)
Unless... you want to run stereo tracks! For that you are going to need more than an iPhone, sadly. There are still great options, such as a DAW on a laptop with an affordable digital mixer like the XR12 from Berhinger.
No, they've made a solution for that now it seems (if you read the comments below this video, some of the viewers have some great recomendations). You're right, when I filmed this you couldn't do a stereo out. The app is found here for doing this stereo through a mobile device: Syncinside.net
With a click on separate channel? I will have to look into that?
Oh I just checked out SyncInside. That's a smart use of a Camera kit compliant interface. I am using an XR12 digital mixer with DAW control, because my keys are Addictive Keys, and I also use the DAW to control all of my guitar pedals and the faders for FOH. Oh, and sync and play the video we have for each track. Now, if a mobile device could do all of that!?!? I have a litte video I just did showing that this past weekend. Always trying to simplify...
That video if you are interested is on my other UA-cam Channel. ua-cam.com/video/ik_XWEjEpXM/v-deo.html
Whats a click?
Can you write the name of the app please?
+Kildos SoundCue App
+Stephen Taylor Thanks! I couldn't find it... Now purchased and installed! ;)
We've been trying to reach you about the warranty on your automobile...
I use the app Worship team director. It works the same and its free ;-) BTW: thx for your great videos!! :-)
Thanks man!
Sure thing
I know this is ancient, but does it matter if the mixer is powered or unpowered?
This is basically my go-to setup, but in 10% of the cases I get click bleed to PA/FOH which CANNOT happen. Still unclear WHERE in the signal chain the click bleeds over? Feel free to comment after reading my post here: www.gearslutz.com/board/live-sound/1282327-backing-tracks-click-bleed.html
Update: Gig yesterday. Soundcheck was alright, everything connected. First song: left channel and right channel suddenly reversed and click getting to FOH! Stranger thing is that it only took twisting the cable 180 degrees by the iPhone's headphone output to "switch" the channels again. Very strange. No explanation. Never trust Apple, in a nutshell.
I know it's been two years but I had the same issue and discovered that it is an apple soundcard issue. Exporting on an older apple computer will cause this issue. Newer ones have better soundcards and can export an actual hard pan.
@@alex-lk4gh Thanks for input Alex. I figured this issue out more than a year ago after experimenting with various DI boxes, cables and setups. It's the internal soundcard/connectors in the actual mobile phone. At times it just decides to let L go inte R, and sometimes not. It has nothing at all to do with the exported files, as they always were perfectly fine and hard panned in my case.
Has anyone found a similar app for android??
Not yet
name of the app?
I prefer tempo by frozen ape or pro metronome
I don't think SoundCue exists anymore
Why have backing tracks when you have a Band?
The problem with this solution is, that the backing track is only mono, not stereo.
Why would you want stereo? You want people on the left side of the club to not hear the same thing as the right side?
I don't understand why people are using backing tracks? Do bands not make their own music live anymore??
When I play gigs, our band plays the music as you hear it. 100% live. No backing tracks or anything like that.
Not sure why most "professional" bands still require the help of backing tracks.
Good question. Oftentimes, it simply has to do with the economics of it. To bring 5 or 6 extra players on the road or to a gig to play those extra parts would be to expensive. Sometimes it has to do with the style of music...more electronic. Backing tracks and samples aren't a bad thing. They're part of the musical landscape now and when used correctly, can really add to the music I think
I’m really fucking confused :/
Not hating on ya but tech has ruined music, get away from triggers and click tracks and play the music the way it was meant to be played by humans in the end your music will be 1000 times better.... great channel... thanks for helping so many drummers
Americans cannot make instruction videos..
Well crap. There goes my entire business.
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Don't get in a tizzy, Arden with your anti-American opinions!