That was always the major problem for me about the way Discovery portrayed care and tolerance. It's not just "even you!" a hysterical, marginalized, traumatized person can become an officer and a hero in Starfleet, it's that you're someone who can overcome your hysteria and your trauma, who isn't marginalized and has overcome their personal struggle to become a more fully realized person at a point when humanity has spent centuries optimizing this realization. You can still show them as parents or role models. TNG was very childcare focused and maybe DS9 more so. Almost the whole bridge crew was a victim of something in their past or over the course of the show, but they stood as paragons to survival and thriving in a universe of obstacles and adversity. It beats us over the head with contemporaneous virtues derived from our precious scientific community and progress regarding mental healthcare, intimacy and humanist values rooted in our capacity for discovery and rational criticism. And at the very same time portrays a society where no one respects healthcare or science, no one acts like there are centuries of counseling derived not just from Earth but countless advanced races with varying attitudes towards introspection, coping, etc. Not to say that Star Trek wasn't always rooted in an anthropocentric approach to aliens and fictional cultures, but even humanity itself achieved great strides in how to treat personality disorders or hormonal stress response from trauma. The Enterprise D had a counselor on the bridge FFS. If those disorders weren't eliminated outright through other medicine. They just didn't respect that what made it special was that the characters in Star Trek had already overcome the petty little struggles they wanted to portray. Especially TNG-later era, the lore isn't just there to appropriate, it's a foundation to tell stories about something more profound.
Star Trash Disaster never got the memo that *good* Sci-Fi is about _exploring the social and moral implications of technology._ Clueless writers don’t understand a Mary Sue is not just unrealistic but entirely boring. No one is perfect. *It is only by overcoming our character flaws do we define the quintessential human experience that gives meaning to the (inner) conflict.* Sadly Logic is an alien concept to the “writers.” They should go back to writing toddler stories which matches their skill level.
Their are missing people like DC Fontana who knew how to write a good story. Discovery should have taking place in the 25th Century and Burnham should had been Tuvoks adopted daughter. Switch the Klingon with Remans and it would at least made more sense!
All of the talk about Burnham being worthy and all makes me think Saru is dead, Reyner becomes captain and Burnham becomes “God (or whatever they’re gonna call it.)” to really stick it to the fans forever.
Michael Burnham died in Season 2 Episode 10 "The Red Angel". As Memory Alpha says, "... Burnham lets out a last gasp before her vital signs flatline." Can we just go back to that moment, and stop everything right there?
Those writers are so dumb they think that slapping a "CLASSIFIED" stamp means everyone instantly forgets about the classified thing, no matter how widespread the knowledge was.
@@RoySchl no it's not!, first time it was in Generations, old man Picard started to turn into action hero, and TNG movies turned in to action movies, and you liked that and you let Star Trek become crap.
Real character writing: start off with flaws, learn to overcome them and grow Woke character writing: start off perfect, gain "flaws" (that don't really affect the story) over time to show your "growth" as a character
Right now I'm thinking back to when I suggested maybe the klingons in this show grew babies inside their heads to account for l'rells head shrinking. It's another funny example of the shows upside down logic.
I think it's also the case that the writers want to do "the reverse" or plot twist for contrived drama. They don't really have anything to say. It's funny that Joe Menosky actually wrote this idea into his Voyager episode The Muse, which was his last before he worked on Discovery. He left for some reason...
I still say the final 30 secs of the final episode should be Q standing on the bridge. Looks around with a disappointed look on his face……”No. This will not do…….”. SNAP.
I think Tilly had a hotness back in the day, I mean… I think I remember thinking she was hot at some point. I mean, she got that wet tank ass..and she pale…she had the mole back then…wait…am I having some Mandela Effect thing? Was there a time Tilly was hot?
Thats one of the things that irritated me the most on this show. Why portrait a character as trying to get fit for starfleet only for the character to get heavier every season? Also makes no sense in universe. Is there no more physical fitness standard in starfleet anymore? :D
The reverse thing makes total sense! It always bothered me for Burnham to have a logical vulcan upbringing only for that to be forgotten after episode two.
Since when do Klingons resort to sneaky tactics? Well, in TOS they did. Remember Arne Darvin? In fact, while watching season 1, the House of Mo'Kai, who were specialists in espionage, and Voq's transformation, felt to me like prequel-shadowing of Arne Darvin. I was expecting too much common sense from this show :) From what I've heard, the Klingons and the Romulans kind of got swapped because of Star Trek 3, where the antagonists were supposed to be the Romulans, but got replaced with the more popular Klingons, without sufficient rewrites of the lines. The Roman-inspired Romulans were supposed to be the ones talking about honor all the time. Of course that's also how we got the Klingon Birds-of-Prey.
All I know is that if I had a cloaking device, I would make myself invisible and when I saw my enemies, I would….🤔something 🤔 right up on them. Then if I had to decloak to get them, I would. However, if I could …what’s the word? It escapes me 🤔if I could something🤔 up on them and stay cloaked, get my enemy AND frame someone else, then (and here is that word I just can’t remember again) 🤔something🤔 away while cloaked, that’s even better. I think the Klingorcs have done these things a time to 2.
@@NitpickingNerd well, that it is just one example doesn't change that 1. The example is true; 2. The example is applicable. One example is just not enough to sufficiently proof a general tendency, but it can be used as part of an argument to illustrate a possible change in the way Klingons were characterised.
@@alejandronopasanada5302 I always thought only the Romulans should have had cloaking technology , since they are the most sneaky ones . with all the Klingon talk of honor and their love for fair combat it kind of goes against their culture to use smoke and dagger tactics
Unfortunately, even if Discovery had talented show runners and writers, they would still find it difficult to introduce engaging characters capable of development because they are completely hamstrung by the small number of total episodes per season and the emphasis placed on a season-long story-arc. Although even with a nine episode season, at least one-third of them are filler episodes which could be used to develop at least one or two support characters but no, they must be used to remind us all of Michael Burnham's greatness.
I wrote this elsewhere, but the Progenitors' tech is likely to be something that allowed them to create the Mycellial network. Or to first access it. It could even be that the tech is just a Spore Drive, and that Discovery has had the tech the entire time. I think it is more likely that they created the entire Mycellial network though. It explains how they seeded, and how they created life, as the network was used to bring Culber back to life.
Perfect! Like that the story of Discovery would be awesome ! Respect. Now we only need someone to edit the corrected serie. I would definately watch your Discovery show! :^D
I think you pretty well hit the nail on the head. I’ll only differ on one point: Ash Tyler or Voq never needed to go through such horrifying surgeries. It had already been established in TOS and reconfirmed in both DS9 and Enterprise that human-looking Klingons existed in the 23rd century. Ash Tyler actually LOOKS like a TOS Klingon-you actually can’t argue with the casting. He looks great and is a fine actor. He could have easily played Tyler as a Klingon sleeper agent, either knowingly or unknowingly-just as he was-as a human-appearing Klingon who already existed and didn’t need surgery. That would have been so much more interesting and would have tied into existing lore.
This is so clever! :-) My goodness, your "reverse time" idea actually sounds like a GOOD SHOW! There would actually be character development - that's like something competent writers might do!
What you describe was going to be an actual ship in SNW, S2 ep 1. The Klingons were setting up a false flag to get the Federation back into a war. In the end, the Federation ship was built from scrap and stollen parts iirc, rather than a Klingon/Fed hybrid built from a Klingon understructure.
That is kinda brilliant and makes so much sense. Maybe we been giving the writers too little credit, they made the first non linear show. It’s the worm hole aliens from ds9 they been messing with the timeline 🤣
I agree with the vast majority of arguments. Though: Adira's situation is entirely understandable to me. Easily. When you place a young person into a structured environment with strict rules, they learn to excel within that system, they gain an ego that is based on that environment. Everything is clear and sure; relationships are not negotiated, but are defined by a system, not by individuals. However, when you remove them from that familiar setting and place them in a context where they must navigate relationships without the anchor of their previous experiences, they become hesitant, unsure. They have to find their actual self. That fits with my own experience a lot. Sure of myself as a teen, where I excelled in a closed environment. Endlessly unsecure outside of it... for a decade. Also: in the real world, cadets are thin, officers are not xD (on average, I mean)
Most of the points are good, with one exception. Well, half an exception. The Vok story does make more sense if run the opposite direction. That said, The Klingons *were* always that sneaky. In the TOS episode "The Trouble with Tribbles," the saboteur who poisons the grain is a Klingon agent who had been surgically altered to look like a human. All that said, it does not make much sense for a known alien spy to become the head of Section 31, except perhaps for the fact that nearly all of Section 31 had been wiped out by Control. If your organization only has a couple people left, pretty much Vok and the Empress, and the Empress got shunted into the future, that really only leaves Vok to rebuild it. If Starfleet evaluated the situation and decided to officially shut down Section 31, as it was all dead save for a turncoat alien spy, then Vok would be left with rebuilding the organization unofficially in the shadows, with perhaps a little support from Starfleet officers in-the-know. This also gives a reason for it to be a secretive cell-network in later eras, insufficient in resources to stop the parasitic infiltration of Starfleet Command in TNG (assuming the meeting Picard was called to, in which he was alerted to the problem, wasn't a Section 31 operation), at least until it rebuilt its influence around the time of the Dominion War. (As an aside, I suspect, in retrospect, Captain Maxwell's rampage with the U.S.S. Phoenix against the Cardassians, in which their aggressive preparations were revealed, may have been a Section 31 operation gone wrong. - Feed the war vet captain enough intel to get him to look into things, but they failed to realize that he'd go in the warpath as soon as he found solid evidence.)
I love how the show runners are like, no worries guys this is a visual medium completely let yourself go no one cares if you look attractive at all. This is 3000 years in the future no one is going to be healthy. This show is beyond parody.
This is what happens when your characters don’t have a chance to grow due to being pretty much fully formed when the show starts. It is hard to develop a character that is basically Spacejesus in episode 1.
Well they’re doing DS9 stuff this season. The prophets aren’t linear. Michael is clearly a prophet from the wormhole so maybe her life isn’t linear. It’s backwards.
I guess this also holds true for the crew themselves. Went on this adventure making multiple mistakes and violating the Prime Directive and we will probably see them as cameos in Starfleet Academy.
You just blew my mind. That being said, I've thought for a while that the only way to save Star Trek continuity is to make this entire series take place in a closed loop that doesn't corrupt everything else. The end is the beginning, and the beginning is the end.
Lot of channels got their start when STD debuted, and they felt they had to go public with how much they hated this show. Now, this is the only channel that covers it that I've subbed to. Not sure how you do it, because I wouldn't watch STD if it cured lung worms. SNW season 1 I thought was decent, Lower Decks had it's charm, but STD is too painful to sit through.
just watched the final episode. my reaction was like Frodo's reaction when the ring was finally destroyed . the last episode dragged on and had multiple endings similar to RotK , only it was all cringe
@@NitpickingNerd Like Disney Star Wars and Blumhouse Halloween, STD became so piss poor it started to harm my love of the older films/shows. Had to bail. Although Halloween Kills was nowhere near as bad as STD
@@NitpickingNerd We can't wait for the review. Even though I can't say I hated it. I know it has a lot to nerdly nitpick. And I love that you call out all the stupid.
I only wish we could reverse the flow of time to get back the hours we spent watching this crap. Even better, maybe Secret Hideout can go back in time to the point where they were not thinking about ruining Star Trek -- and stay there.
I run through it once, I try to rewind when my mind wonders. Eventually, I give up and try to get to the end. It’s to the point where each week, I watch it on a porta-screen which means I’m doing something else, totally intending to go back and really take it in on my TV. I was going to do it tonight. I don’t care. I think last week, I would rather daydream about getting the day started right as the problem got solved…something about Bookes inner betazoid ghost teaching Burnham to look inside herself..then crying…I don’t know. I’m about to go watch a UA-cam reviewer explain it and go to bed. Better they get the view. I’m about to cancel that garbage and buy DS9.
@@alejandronopasanada5302 It's really had to stay focused while watching Discovery. Completely agree. I have to rewind to either 1) understand what the Breen are actually saying due to the horrible sound production or 2) because it's just so dreadfully boring that my mind wanders to something else
The good thing is there is only one more episode of this distaster left This is one of the universes in which the borg won It would make sense if this entire series was on the tng holodeck or a nightmare of spocks Or tbey created a special program on the holodeck for insominia on ds9
LOL, these characters have *reverse* character arcs. 🤣 If anybody tells me they're gonna watch them show I'll tall them to watch the entire series backwards.
It all started to go wrong with the fake "Klingons". It could have been a forgotten tribe or a sect, or some totally different species. But no, and then the peace loving Vulcans opted for striking first. Haven't we been told about Suraks teachings? It was just nonsense from the beginning.
what do you think about the situation that when you search for your channel on youtube it doesnt show up? like at all? it shows "nitpicking nerds" which is a different channel and then a bunch of videos of you, but not your channel logo
I tried to watch the first few episodes but the Klingons were unrecognizable and I couldn’t stand the starfleet leads. And two little women going around beating up every Klingon they come across?! They are like a third the size and the Klingons are warriors. Sucked because I was initially excited.
@@kennyhudson9201 Cannot be canon since it's not Star Trek at all but Kurtzmantrek STINO: Star Trek In Name Only. CBS can say whatever they want, I reject utterly and completely everything officially made after 2005. I consider The Orville the only inheritor of Star Trek's vision and excellent fanfictions like Star Trek Continues and Axanar as proper hommage to it's legacy. But that's me. Anyone else can have raw anchovies with motor oil on their strawberry ice cream if they want.
You know your writers have no idea what they're doing when the characters are developing BACKWARDS
Actually, I think they are forbidden to do what they do best. Writers are not in charge. Everyone else is.
The writers are more clever than we give them credit for, they told us this in the very first trailer for season one… “sometimes down is up” 😂
Brilliant. Once more you have put more thought into this than actual STD writers.
That was always the major problem for me about the way Discovery portrayed care and tolerance. It's not just "even you!" a hysterical, marginalized, traumatized person can become an officer and a hero in Starfleet, it's that you're someone who can overcome your hysteria and your trauma, who isn't marginalized and has overcome their personal struggle to become a more fully realized person at a point when humanity has spent centuries optimizing this realization. You can still show them as parents or role models. TNG was very childcare focused and maybe DS9 more so. Almost the whole bridge crew was a victim of something in their past or over the course of the show, but they stood as paragons to survival and thriving in a universe of obstacles and adversity.
It beats us over the head with contemporaneous virtues derived from our precious scientific community and progress regarding mental healthcare, intimacy and humanist values rooted in our capacity for discovery and rational criticism. And at the very same time portrays a society where no one respects healthcare or science, no one acts like there are centuries of counseling derived not just from Earth but countless advanced races with varying attitudes towards introspection, coping, etc. Not to say that Star Trek wasn't always rooted in an anthropocentric approach to aliens and fictional cultures, but even humanity itself achieved great strides in how to treat personality disorders or hormonal stress response from trauma. The Enterprise D had a counselor on the bridge FFS. If those disorders weren't eliminated outright through other medicine.
They just didn't respect that what made it special was that the characters in Star Trek had already overcome the petty little struggles they wanted to portray. Especially TNG-later era, the lore isn't just there to appropriate, it's a foundation to tell stories about something more profound.
It was a pleasure to real your comment, thank you! I completely agree, especially the last paragraph!
Star Trash Disaster never got the memo that *good* Sci-Fi is about _exploring the social and moral implications of technology._
Clueless writers don’t understand a Mary Sue is not just unrealistic but entirely boring. No one is perfect. *It is only by overcoming our character flaws do we define the quintessential human experience that gives meaning to the (inner) conflict.*
Sadly Logic is an alien concept to the “writers.” They should go back to writing toddler stories which matches their skill level.
This is a BRILLIANT analysis. My God. Kurtzman-Goldsman Trek tells the EXACT REVERSE OPPOSITE of a good story.
Their are missing people like DC Fontana who knew how to write a good story. Discovery should have taking place in the 25th Century and Burnham should had been Tuvoks adopted daughter. Switch the Klingon with Remans and it would at least made more sense!
This is what I call a simple "What if the show was written properly" theory. Lol
All of the talk about Burnham being worthy and all makes me think Saru is dead, Reyner becomes captain and Burnham becomes “God (or whatever they’re gonna call it.)” to really stick it to the fans forever.
Michael Burnham died in Season 2 Episode 10 "The Red Angel". As Memory Alpha says, "... Burnham lets out a last gasp before her vital signs flatline." Can we just go back to that moment, and stop everything right there?
Those writers are so dumb they think that slapping a "CLASSIFIED" stamp means everyone instantly forgets about the classified thing, no matter how widespread the knowledge was.
This what happens when you have people with no life experience writing shows.
Can we please reverse far enough that non of nuTrek or JJTrek ever happened?
JJTrek at least has the decency to happen in an alternate timeline, so whatever happens there doesn't change the Prime timeline.
@@quantumvideoscz2052 sure, but it was still the first turning away from the star trek we all love and with that the beginning of this mess.
@@RoySchl and we wasted so much time with bull*hit when we could have had good Star Trek adventures.
@@RoySchl no it's not!, first time it was in Generations, old man Picard started to turn into action hero, and TNG movies turned in to action movies, and you liked that and you let Star Trek become crap.
@@alessandroh10 yes action picard was bad, but star trek was still salvageble. There is absolutely no coming back from todays shit.
You put way too much thought into this series than any STD writer.
Hoping for a "Butterfly Effect" style ending for Discovery. The show decides to go back in time and erase itself from canon.
Real character writing: start off with flaws, learn to overcome them and grow
Woke character writing: start off perfect, gain "flaws" (that don't really affect the story) over time to show your "growth" as a character
You gotta lube that up with a bunch of tears, don’t forget the tears.
3:07 👍Vulcan re-education camp... Brilliant idea! Sent the writers and showrunners there and hope they get some logic...🤞
Right now I'm thinking back to when I suggested maybe the klingons in this show grew babies inside their heads to account for l'rells head shrinking. It's another funny example of the shows upside down logic.
Don’t cross the streams!
IT IS ILLOGICAL
I heard this in Mark Lenards voice!
Watch them pull this uno reverse card in the series finale
I think it's also the case that the writers want to do "the reverse" or plot twist for contrived drama.
They don't really have anything to say. It's funny that Joe Menosky actually wrote this idea into his Voyager episode The Muse, which was his last before he worked on Discovery. He left for some reason...
Its almost over.
Along with time travel in reverse maybe just maybe they wink themselves out existence in a primemordial pool of ooze.
I still say the final 30 secs of the final episode should be Q standing on the bridge. Looks around with a disappointed look on his face……”No. This will not do…….”. SNAP.
Tilly was never thin,she wasn't as heavy as she is now, but i would never call Tilly thin😂😂😂😂😅😅😅
I think Tilly had a hotness back in the day, I mean… I think I remember thinking she was hot at some point. I mean, she got that wet tank ass..and she pale…she had the mole back then…wait…am I having some Mandela Effect thing? Was there a time Tilly was hot?
Thats one of the things that irritated me the most on this show. Why portrait a character as trying to get fit for starfleet only for the character to get heavier every season?
Also makes no sense in universe. Is there no more physical fitness standard in starfleet anymore? :D
Yes, she was chubby, which suited her somehow and made sense for her character. Now she is a whale.
The reverse thing makes total sense!
It always bothered me for Burnham to have a logical vulcan upbringing only for that to be forgotten after episode two.
This analysis is spot on!
They incidentally told the story of how a human woman raised by Vulcans would ultimately have an emotional breakdown 😅
Seriously. Only in D.E.I trek could somebody so emotionally unstable get control of a god level ship.
Since when do Klingons resort to sneaky tactics? Well, in TOS they did. Remember Arne Darvin? In fact, while watching season 1, the House of Mo'Kai, who were specialists in espionage, and Voq's transformation, felt to me like prequel-shadowing of Arne Darvin. I was expecting too much common sense from this show :)
From what I've heard, the Klingons and the Romulans kind of got swapped because of Star Trek 3, where the antagonists were supposed to be the Romulans, but got replaced with the more popular Klingons, without sufficient rewrites of the lines. The Roman-inspired Romulans were supposed to be the ones talking about honor all the time. Of course that's also how we got the Klingon Birds-of-Prey.
That is literally the only example
All I know is that if I had a cloaking device, I would make myself invisible and when I saw my enemies, I would….🤔something 🤔 right up on them. Then if I had to decloak to get them, I would. However, if I could …what’s the word? It escapes me 🤔if I could something🤔 up on them and stay cloaked, get my enemy AND frame someone else, then (and here is that word I just can’t remember again) 🤔something🤔 away while cloaked, that’s even better. I think the Klingorcs have done these things a time to 2.
@@NitpickingNerd well, that it is just one example doesn't change that 1. The example is true; 2. The example is applicable. One example is just not enough to sufficiently proof a general tendency, but it can be used as part of an argument to illustrate a possible change in the way Klingons were characterised.
@@alejandronopasanada5302 I always thought only the Romulans should have had cloaking technology , since they are the most sneaky ones .
with all the Klingon talk of honor and their love for fair combat it kind of goes against their culture to use smoke and dagger tactics
Unfortunately, even if Discovery had talented show runners and writers, they would still find it difficult to introduce engaging characters capable of development because they are completely hamstrung by the small number of total episodes per season and the emphasis placed on a season-long story-arc. Although even with a nine episode season, at least one-third of them are filler episodes which could be used to develop at least one or two support characters but no, they must be used to remind us all of Michael Burnham's greatness.
If the ship came from the future it makes sense to make it classified as well :D
That AI image of Burnham on your thumb is hilarious. She needs a halo, though.
I wrote this elsewhere, but the Progenitors' tech is likely to be something that allowed them to create the Mycellial network. Or to first access it. It could even be that the tech is just a Spore Drive, and that Discovery has had the tech the entire time. I think it is more likely that they created the entire Mycellial network though. It explains how they seeded, and how they created life, as the network was used to bring Culber back to life.
Perfect! Like that the story of Discovery would be awesome ! Respect. Now we only need someone to edit the corrected serie. I would definately watch your Discovery show!
:^D
I think you pretty well hit the nail on the head. I’ll only differ on one point: Ash Tyler or Voq never needed to go through such horrifying surgeries. It had already been established in TOS and reconfirmed in both DS9 and Enterprise that human-looking Klingons existed in the 23rd century. Ash Tyler actually LOOKS like a TOS Klingon-you actually can’t argue with the casting. He looks great and is a fine actor. He could have easily played Tyler as a Klingon sleeper agent, either knowingly or unknowingly-just as he was-as a human-appearing Klingon who already existed and didn’t need surgery. That would have been so much more interesting and would have tied into existing lore.
Adira had a nice haircut, it gave the character more confidence, why did they shave it off?
She looked too feminine, and that's no good in this show
@@MarcosCha76 If I really have to say it seems to me to be a more masculine cut 1:25.
This is so clever! :-) My goodness, your "reverse time" idea actually sounds like a GOOD SHOW! There would actually be character development - that's like something competent writers might do!
huh...looking at Discovery upside down, it now looks like a Klingon/Federation ship Hybrid and actually looks kinda good.
What you describe was going to be an actual ship in SNW, S2 ep 1. The Klingons were setting up a false flag to get the Federation back into a war. In the end, the Federation ship was built from scrap and stollen parts iirc, rather than a Klingon/Fed hybrid built from a Klingon understructure.
That is kinda brilliant and makes so much sense. Maybe we been giving the writers too little credit, they made the first non linear show. It’s the worm hole aliens from ds9 they been messing with the timeline 🤣
Ummm so she became an admiral and the federation thrived in the long run thanks to her leadership. She saved everyone’s asses constantly
Vulcans are also very emotional! Why they demand control. Spock explored this in SNW and the crossovers.
I agree with the vast majority of arguments. Though: Adira's situation is entirely understandable to me. Easily. When you place a young person into a structured environment with strict rules, they learn to excel within that system, they gain an ego that is based on that environment. Everything is clear and sure; relationships are not negotiated, but are defined by a system, not by individuals. However, when you remove them from that familiar setting and place them in a context where they must navigate relationships without the anchor of their previous experiences, they become hesitant, unsure. They have to find their actual self. That fits with my own experience a lot. Sure of myself as a teen, where I excelled in a closed environment. Endlessly unsecure outside of it... for a decade.
Also: in the real world, cadets are thin, officers are not xD (on average, I mean)
I love the concept that they'll only let her out of prison if she agrees to "stop crying all the time" therapy with the Vulcans.
6:19 I wonder if the acne is a side effect of the HRT.
Most of the points are good, with one exception. Well, half an exception. The Vok story does make more sense if run the opposite direction. That said, The Klingons *were* always that sneaky. In the TOS episode "The Trouble with Tribbles," the saboteur who poisons the grain is a Klingon agent who had been surgically altered to look like a human. All that said, it does not make much sense for a known alien spy to become the head of Section 31, except perhaps for the fact that nearly all of Section 31 had been wiped out by Control. If your organization only has a couple people left, pretty much Vok and the Empress, and the Empress got shunted into the future, that really only leaves Vok to rebuild it. If Starfleet evaluated the situation and decided to officially shut down Section 31, as it was all dead save for a turncoat alien spy, then Vok would be left with rebuilding the organization unofficially in the shadows, with perhaps a little support from Starfleet officers in-the-know. This also gives a reason for it to be a secretive cell-network in later eras, insufficient in resources to stop the parasitic infiltration of Starfleet Command in TNG (assuming the meeting Picard was called to, in which he was alerted to the problem, wasn't a Section 31 operation), at least until it rebuilt its influence around the time of the Dominion War. (As an aside, I suspect, in retrospect, Captain Maxwell's rampage with the U.S.S. Phoenix against the Cardassians, in which their aggressive preparations were revealed, may have been a Section 31 operation gone wrong. - Feed the war vet captain enough intel to get him to look into things, but they failed to realize that he'd go in the warpath as soon as he found solid evidence.)
Voq acomplished absolutely nothing for the klingons he just ended up helping the humans
I love how the show runners are like, no worries guys this is a visual medium completely let yourself go no one cares if you look attractive at all. This is 3000 years in the future no one is going to be healthy.
This show is beyond parody.
Wow.. you thought this through more than any of the Disco writers!
This is what happens when your characters don’t have a chance to grow due to being pretty much fully formed when the show starts. It is hard to develop a character that is basically Spacejesus in episode 1.
Replace the Trill symbiote with a mobile emitter that is losing power and failing. All that is left is a piece of tin, a keepsake, a locket.
Well they’re doing DS9 stuff this season. The prophets aren’t linear. Michael is clearly a prophet from the wormhole so maybe her life isn’t linear.
It’s backwards.
She will enter the celestial temple in the end and become a Prophet and Sisko's mom
That's such a horrible idea that it might actually be true.
Coming from a commi country realy helps with the mental gymnastics necessary to make sense of STD
General Chang: “Imperial Battleship reverse the flow of time!”
I guess this also holds true for the crew themselves. Went on this adventure making multiple mistakes and violating the Prime Directive and we will probably see them as cameos in Starfleet Academy.
You just blew my mind. That being said, I've thought for a while that the only way to save Star Trek continuity is to make this entire series take place in a closed loop that doesn't corrupt everything else. The end is the beginning, and the beginning is the end.
But it has affected all other modern treks, u have to have all of those in thatclosed bubble which I doubt t they would ever be willing to do.
Lot of channels got their start when STD debuted, and they felt they had to go public with how much they hated this show. Now, this is the only channel that covers it that I've subbed to. Not sure how you do it, because I wouldn't watch STD if it cured lung worms. SNW season 1 I thought was decent, Lower Decks had it's charm, but STD is too painful to sit through.
just watched the final episode. my reaction was like Frodo's reaction when the ring was finally destroyed .
the last episode dragged on and had multiple endings similar to RotK , only it was all cringe
@@NitpickingNerd Like Disney Star Wars and Blumhouse Halloween, STD became so piss poor it started to harm my love of the older films/shows. Had to bail. Although Halloween Kills was nowhere near as bad as STD
@@NitpickingNerd We can't wait for the review. Even though I can't say I hated it. I know it has a lot to nerdly nitpick. And I love that you call out all the stupid.
There is a book called times Arrow by Martin Amis about a German Holocaust doctor that occurs in a reverse chronology, exactly as you suggest
Huh. That's an interesting thought.
Glad Strange New Worlds retrofitted the Klingons
I only wish we could reverse the flow of time to get back the hours we spent watching this crap. Even better, maybe Secret Hideout can go back in time to the point where they were not thinking about ruining Star Trek -- and stay there.
I run through it once, I try to rewind when my mind wonders. Eventually, I give up and try to get to the end. It’s to the point where each week, I watch it on a porta-screen which means I’m doing something else, totally intending to go back and really take it in on my TV. I was going to do it tonight. I don’t care. I think last week, I would rather daydream about getting the day started right as the problem got solved…something about Bookes inner betazoid ghost teaching Burnham to look inside herself..then crying…I don’t know. I’m about to go watch a UA-cam reviewer explain it and go to bed. Better they get the view. I’m about to cancel that garbage and buy DS9.
@@alejandronopasanada5302 It's really had to stay focused while watching Discovery. Completely agree. I have to rewind to either 1) understand what the Breen are actually saying due to the horrible sound production or 2) because it's just so dreadfully boring that my mind wanders to something else
Good Stuff Bro!
The GOOD NEWS is that our Discovery misery will soon be over.
Brilliant!!!!
The good thing is there is only one more episode of this distaster left
This is one of the universes in which the borg won
It would make sense if this entire series was on the tng holodeck or a nightmare of spocks
Or tbey created a special program on the holodeck for insominia on ds9
You should be the next director of discovery. Your explanation is far more simpler and makes a lot of more sense.
LOL, these characters have *reverse* character arcs. 🤣
If anybody tells me they're gonna watch them show I'll tall them to watch the entire series backwards.
Did Discovery change uniforms every 2-3 episodes? It seems like so many changes.
It all started to go wrong with the fake "Klingons". It could have been a forgotten tribe or a sect, or some totally different species. But no, and then the peace loving Vulcans opted for striking first. Haven't we been told about Suraks teachings? It was just nonsense from the beginning.
Today I realise the First Season was really Great (except the Bald-Klingons), Season 2-5 is Pure Trash! Frak, I miss Captain Lorca.
the writers ? They have some? Burnham has to save the day, on her own, every time. She has an ego bigger than the federation.
Most of the ships from season 1 look better upside down
what do you think about the situation that when you search for your channel on youtube it doesnt show up? like at all? it shows "nitpicking nerds" which is a different channel and then a bunch of videos of you, but not your channel logo
So, Dr. Culver would start out as an intelligent mushroom who then becomes human?
I tried to watch the first few episodes but the Klingons were unrecognizable and I couldn’t stand the starfleet leads. And two little women going around beating up every Klingon they come across?! They are like a third the size and the Klingons are warriors. Sucked because I was initially excited.
Discovery doesn't look so bad, upside down :P
Sadly, all too true!
I love it
the magic mushroom drive still wouldnt make sense.
Wibble!!!! XD
I would not give this show 2 seconds to even contemplate. Its total and complete garbage.
Star Trek Discovery is best experienced by not watching it.
"Star Trek Discovery Makes Total Sense" stopped reading there 😏
When's Tilly having that baby?
Backwards, illogical, uncanonical and nonsensical; perfect summation of all of Kurtzmantrek.
But it is canon.
@@kennyhudson9201 Cannot be canon since it's not Star Trek at all but Kurtzmantrek STINO: Star Trek In Name Only.
CBS can say whatever they want, I reject utterly and completely everything officially made after 2005. I consider The Orville the only inheritor of Star Trek's vision and excellent fanfictions like Star Trek Continues and Axanar as proper hommage to it's legacy.
But that's me. Anyone else can have raw anchovies with motor oil on their strawberry ice cream if they want.
wow
lol /fixed
You are totaly rigt. if we reverse the story of Discovery, it could be "a little bit" better. 🙄
Я решил что я не люблю звездный путь. Это кукуолдизм какой то.
its nice to know we will soon have a star trek final series episode worse than enterprise holodeck shit