I have friends who desperately need to see this. One of my best mates has been completely radicalized by the last 6 months and won’t vote for Biden, which to me is a) completely morally bankrupt and b) entirely inconsistent with her own sense of morality. I don’t want to try and deradicalize her from shitty Finkelstein scholarship and 19 year old idiots on twitter with yet another social media video, but I don’t know where else to start. I’m scared, man. Scared that because “America Bad” is a purely emotional position and not based on any consistent epistemic framework, that it’s all so personal I won’t be able to meaningfully push back without damaging friendships. It really breaks my heart.
Sorry to see that. Have you asked them if they are aware of Project 2025 and of the Republicans’ plan to ban abortion and birth control nationally? If those things don’t concern them enough to vote against Trump, I’d suggest asking them if they’re hoping Trump’s victory would somehow encourage a communist revolution. Also, it might help. Point out that in red states, abortion and trans rights are being eroded yet those rights are being protected in blue states, which completely sinks the idea that Democrats and Republicans are the same
@@areichentalthanks mate. It’s extra difficult since it’s intertwined with another friend who lost family in Gaza and has become (understandably) radical in a worrying way ever since. There’s so much personal investment at this point - I don’t know what, if anything I can really do here
Show them this video please or at least use some of the logic, facts, or points that loner goes through in this video and have a convo with them. At any sign of hostility or the convo getting heated, pull back. You don’t wanna lose your friends over this.
Do I vote for a person, who may very well just forget about supporting the Palestinians the day after his election while also giving Israel every single weapon and armament an army could ever want in WW2, or do I vote for the guy who will give Israel everything they ask for but not pretend to give a shit about the Palestinians? Id rather vote someone else who gives a shit about the Palestinians. I view Biden as too little too late.
“Here’s just the differences between Trump and Biden on this one issue.” “So you’re saying this is the only issue people should care about? So you’re saying this is the only option? So you’re putting leftists in a box?” 😂
@@gregnoble4035 it’s just reactionary anti-electoral sentiment. I don’t know what Russian disinformation campaign convinced these pple that the only way to change the system is to disengage with it, plant community gardens and go to a few protests every year but it’s fkn annoying.
Also I liked how bro was very adamant he wasn't a one-issue voter. Because it seems he actually was an omni-issue voter. Apparently if any issue exists where he's dissatisfied with a candidate, he won't vote for them and so come what may. "Why are you talking about This One Issue? What about This One Other Issue?" I'm sure in his utopia with electoralism gone meaning where leaders are not elected at all, he'll be very happy with how the system will consistently produce people meeting his omni-standards sitting at the top.
@@hardphlex I WAS JUST ABOUT TO SAY THIS!!!! Donald Trump would just sit there and shrug passively as an Evangelical preacher literally burned trams people at the stake in front of him, but.people wanna fuck around with this Both Sides Bad bullshit! PLEASE! Tell me you're ultra-priviledged without telling me!
Second Thought is a case in point. He recently made a video about how liberals are the most dangerous thing in the western world. Like, REALLY? I disagree with liberals on alot, but thats a draindead, tankie assertion.
It is obvious that Biden is a far superior option than Trump and while this election is very important for the future of American democracy, it is completely understandable why so many people feel demoralized that the choice is between Trump and Biden again. People are so sick of having to choose between the lesser of two evils, and while a Trump victory will be devastating for America, Biden represents an establishment that is completely out of touch with the average American citizen that is struggling to make ends meet while they only care about enriching themselves. And even worse, are complicit in Israel's slaughter in Gaza. Presidential Elections should be about what direction do American's want their country to go, and what policies can the government implement to achieve this path. It should not be a choice between a wannabe dictator and a normal status quo politician who nobody wants but at least he is better than the other guy. It is obvious anyone with a conscience should vote for Biden over Trump if they want a future, but they have every right to despise the choice they are presented with.
It is obvious that Biden is a far superior option than Trump and while this election is very important for the future of American democracy, it is completely understandable why so many people feel demoralized that the choice is between Trump and Biden again. People are so sick of having to choose between the lesser of two evils, and while a Trump victory will be devastating for America, Biden represents an establishment that is completely out of touch with the average American citizen that is struggling to make ends meet while they only care about enriching themselves. And even worse, are complicit in the situation in Gaza. Presidential Elections should be about what direction do American's want their country to go, and what policies can the government implement to achieve this path. It should not be a choice between a wannabe dictator and a normal status quo politician who nobody wants but at least he is better than the other guy. It is obvious anyone with a conscience should vote for Biden over Trump if they want a future, but they have every right to despise the choice they are presented with.
If you look at them from a rigidly leftist standpoint and squint they have a lot of similarities, but that still ignores some key differences that are *incredibly* important, like how only one of them tried to execute an armed insurrection to overthrow the peaceful transfer of power...
Imagine thinking not voting in 2024 is a strategy for progression in America. Imagine being a teenager with a Che poster and bumfluff moustache who listens to half "chill Cuban beats" and half Rage discography. Imagine still playing Command & Conquer: Red alert, but you always play as the Soviets because you "respect their power aesthetic". Imagine being that cringe as an adult.
Voting is the bare minimum that needs to be done, activism also needs to be done constantly. The problem is that internet leftists dont do any activism so their ideas dont spread. The online left sacrificed any political power they had for internet points. It's so sad
Trump gave an interview with his diagnosis of the problem in Palestine as "Israel and Biden are too soft and the Gazan problem needs to be Finally Solved". Why does anything more need to be said?
Because not using your brain is easier than using it even just a little. Like fuck Biden but I'm voting for his stupid senile ass anyway because it takes like 5 minutes and the alternative is worse. Just cause the system sucks shit doesn't mean you shouldn't use what little power you have in it to steer it a bit less bad. If you don't want to vote you don't have to, but you deserve whatever circus you get out of it.
Living in reality is understanding you have to play within the system to change the system to benefit you. Conservatives understand this I don't understand what "leftists" don't get about it.
Completely agree. There's a level of compromise that Conservatives understand you need to do in order to incrementally shift policy toward your goal. Leftists either don't move or want to "burn it all down".
Glad to have some one lay it all out for people in a simple and easy to understand way. I do fear the types of people who think Biden is anywhere near as bad as Trump might be to far gone but we have to try and hope some of them aren't completely lost.
I’ve been trying to reason with some of them but they’re insane. I was just talking to someone last week about Trump vs Biden on Palestine and they believe that both of them are the same. They then laid out their plan to get a ceasefire… punish the Dems for supporting genocide and let the GOP rule to collapse America. Then when America collapses, Zionism (Israel) by extension collapses and there is a permanent ceasefire. Edit: No matter how much I showed them that Biden is better on every issue, including Gaza, and that a ceasefire under him would be 10x more likely than under trump, they wouldn’t budge. From the convo, it seemed like they cared more about punishing the democrats than actually getting a ceasefire done ASAP.
I really don't understand why it's so hard for the "don't bother voting" types to realise that voting being insufficient is a reason to do *more*, not less. The idea that allowing the guy who literally tried to violently overthrow the government once already to win is equally bad to the guy who's kind of bad in a leftist framework but at least feels obliged to pretend to care is absurd.
Omg I'm so sick of echo chamber larper leftists pretending they haven't launched full scale d0m3st1c terrorism for YEARS to overthrow government order because 1 day a drunk viking danced on pelosis desk. Outside of your echo chamber we have seen the last decade of democrat party sponsored t36606ism and laugh at comments like yours.
An elected American official calling Netanyahu an impediment for peace is a HUGE thing politically. Not just for the US but it is a bit more powerful considering our unwavering support in the past.
Imagine if the women's movement or working class movements in the 18th, 19th and 20th centuries gave up on the political systems because none of the options were perfect. Fucking madness. Nothing will ever be perfect. Gradual improvement is all there is. Compromising with people you disagree with is the very essence of politics. Only children who have never grown out of their entitlement issues seriously believe it is incumbent on politicians to listen to their views alone and everyone else should simply bow to them.
its not even close, but somehow people have memed themselves into believing trump is better… the guy who moved the US embassy to jerusalem… like… hello? earth to saturn?
These people do realize that last time we got 3 conservative justices due to people not voting for Hilary. I promise you if Trump wins again we are gonna have at least 2 other judges retire and are gonna get even younger conservative justices in their places
IF i was a US single issue voter on guns, palestine/israel, ukraine, immigration, ... then I would not vote anymore. I don't get what I want. Normal people don't want Frump though, voting against him by voting for Biden is easy.
nah. Many leftists are still voting for Biden but the most toxic loud ones aren't. They would have been against Bernie if he would won since he wouldn't be able to press the M4A button on his desk and fix healthcare.
I'm one and I think people should vote for Biden and he is better than any issue compared to Trump. Bernie and AOC disagree with Biden on many issues but they understand Biden is far better than trump. Heck, when it comes to labor, the environment, judges, anti trust ( conservative judges keep blocking the FDC) and foreign policy (not good on Gaza) he is light years ahead. Only an idiot who gets their news from tiktok would think Biden is the same or worse than trump.
Wish I had those differences memorized a few days ago when I had that exact debate with a few former comrades. Arguments against participating in the electoral process are so flimsy and these few facts are all that I would've needed to falsify the claim that voting doesn't matter. If facts would've changed their opinions is questionable tho. It's heartbreKing to see leftists operate on the same logical level as members of the far right.
Seen first half, such good balance between brevity and substance 🤠 Love that you mentioned Michigan and I agree, no idea if it made a difference. However every little helps and public opinion generally has helped push some politicians to shift, a bit. Apparently Biden warned Bibi not to make the same mistakes the US did when reacting to the 911 terror attack. It's all in the US military's field manuals: This is not the way to peace, just further radicalisation!.. Some lefties were refusing to vote for Biden the child hair sniffer, the last time. Biden should win again... However Trump wasn't supposed to win at all. 🤠🍉💜
40:03 ok but If the option is between a moderate on your side of the Asile and a conservative you go with the moderate. I don't understand how hard this is
as the greatest democracy in the world???... can someone explain to me how Americans get to choose between 2 Alzheimer's patients as the leader of their country?
The comments on Presidential legacies is wild. I'm people sure if Biden was able to make progress towards a two state solution it would be one of the greatest foreign policy victories since to collapse of the Soviet Union
@@Tysca_ Na, lol. You don't remember the whole Donna Brasil thing? Bernie's campaign was absolutely suppressed by his own party to prop up Hillary, just like Hillary got the rug pulled out from under her in 08 by Obama
I know it would be pure brain cancer but it would be interesting to do a vid on Sargon and his weird NRx / Dark Enlightenment turn he and a lot of other losers are doing
22:40 That's a little naive though. Or maybe not. The thing is more like agreeing to a ceasefire is not the same as complying with it. That's a reason Israel (or anyone in their place, like Ukraine with respect to negotiating with Putin) won't accept a permanent ceasefire if Hamas is in power. Because it won't work. Two years (or something like that) from now we'll be in the same situation as today.
35:45 also my experience working for campaigns, if you're too fringe or categorized as unlikely to be persuaded or turned out you're kinda just ruling yourself out. Campaign teams want to get the base to turn our and the persuadable to more towards them. Why waste limited time and resources on the "It's never enough" brigade
The law on water supply. Water supply is considered civilian, even if soldiers drink water too. It is protected and you cannot target water supply. If water supply infrastructure is used for military purposes then that military infrastructure can be targeted and in that case the water structure would be considered collateral damage. All of this is legal. What is illegal is targeting the water infrastructure when there is no military purpose. In essence water infrastructure is treated as if it were human civilians. What Israel was doing before the war was pumping it's own water into gaza. It is this pumping that Biden 'encouraged' Israel to resume. Israel is not obligated in any way under international law to provide water to gaza. Note, this is water that is never paid for.
@@Juel92 So better to not give them water? So they thirst and die? Israel is giving that water specifically to try and improve the relationship. After Oct 7th that motivation is gone.
@@kmo9790 The reason that analogy fails is that you do have an obligation to house your slaves, you don't have an obligation to give free water to the country next door, the country that remains at war with you.
@@gudmundursteinarThe reason why my analogy doesn't fail is that Israel controls all entry and exit from Gaza. It is an open air prison, and the warden has the obligation to prevent people under their care from starving. Even if some of the prisoners start a riot. Palestine isn't a country. Please know the facts before speaking. Israel is at war with Hamas not the starving people of Palestine.
Imagine letting the wealthiest most powerful country in the world fall to a totalitarian regime just because of some desert people on the other side of the planet.
We have to be honest about Biden he is better than trump but acting like the guy who has done over a 100 different arms transfers with Israel without congressional approval is out right hasan level framing.
Williamson the one that ran, got dunked in the primaries, canceled her run, then revoked it, got dunked on again in the primaries and renounced the run again. Oddly enough her crystals didn't help her in the real world. Cornel-West, the one that isn't even on the ballot in all states and none of his ideas would get through the rest of the governments branches and has terrible ideas for Foreign Affairs?
7 minutes in and I already don’t want to listen to the rest. Your argument hinges on, Biden is committing helping slow genocide vs trump who would have done it quick and far worst. This is on the same level of questioning of, would you rather live in Soviet Russia under Stalin, or East Germany under hitler..? Both options suck. Pulling hairs of, Biden is objectively better because he isn’t as draconian as Trump is very pathetic. A genocide is a genocide. That 250 million or whatever that I stopped at, means shit. When Israel continues to block over 70% of trucks, and we drop what, 41,000 meals?! That’s 1 meal for 1 person of about 2 million people who need it, for a freaking day. And air dropping is first come first served, which is why people got squashed by the drop. Do not even try to say Biden is better. Because he ain’t. Also like to add, building a makeshift port that will take 2 months to build, waste of my freaking money. They will all be dead by then.
Reject the blackpill bro, become hopeful pilled and see that building a port to give aid is a good thing. Also voting is the least you can do in a democracy, doing activism stuff also needs to be done but to me it seems you would rather be internet poisoned than doing that. You will never get everything you want so there will never be a candidate that will perfectly satisfy you, that's the consequence of living in a democracy.
So will you feel better when Trump wins? There's European countries moving to recognize Palestine. The UN agreed to call for a cease-fire. There is aid, however small, being delivered.
@@LoudWaffle You conflating me having criticism on what Lonerbox said and what Biden did, with me wanting to kill every enemy with no diplomacy, is very emblematic of the discourse on this conflict, btw.
@@LoudWaffleTechnically the implication of what he said is he just wants even more of them dead, not necessarily all of them dead. This is a very crucial distinction that requires both coping AND seething when missed, as you can see. /s
I almost though this was going to be a real analysis, but through the whole video you are being hyperbolic and ignorant on purpose. Iesser evilism is being implicitly okay with always voting for evil. Saying to never vote third party is extremely goofy, how do you ever escape the two party system if you intend to feed it forever.
By infiltrating the Democratic party with more progressive candidates that will get ranked voting to pass. By getting them to win locally first so that they actually have a base that can run a serious presidential candidate. Ya know, stuff that doesn't boil down to just being a political toddler that just wants its cookie now
then put in the work after november of this year, stop showing up right at the end of the primaries to talk about 3rd party. It’s going to take years of slow progress to get a viable 3rd party. Even then, do we form a progressive party like the green party and split the vote 40/30/30 and lose every election ever? Think of our immediate aims
@hardphlex What are you talking about. You've made up a fanfiction about my political background, and you're debating that. We've got an actual opportunity for third parties to get federal funding if they pass a threshold of votes in the general, and this clown wants to talk about how because they can't get the presidency there is no point. A "viable" third party is literally impossible without taking that step.
I have friends who desperately need to see this. One of my best mates has been completely radicalized by the last 6 months and won’t vote for Biden, which to me is a) completely morally bankrupt and b) entirely inconsistent with her own sense of morality. I don’t want to try and deradicalize her from shitty Finkelstein scholarship and 19 year old idiots on twitter with yet another social media video, but I don’t know where else to start.
I’m scared, man. Scared that because “America Bad” is a purely emotional position and not based on any consistent epistemic framework, that it’s all so personal I won’t be able to meaningfully push back without damaging friendships. It really breaks my heart.
Good luck getting your friend out of the black hole. I believe in you both
Sorry to see that. Have you asked them if they are aware of Project 2025 and of the Republicans’ plan to ban abortion and birth control nationally? If those things don’t concern them enough to vote against Trump, I’d suggest asking them if they’re hoping Trump’s victory would somehow encourage a communist revolution. Also, it might help. Point out that in red states, abortion and trans rights are being eroded yet those rights are being protected in blue states, which completely sinks the idea that Democrats and Republicans are the same
@@areichentalthanks mate. It’s extra difficult since it’s intertwined with another friend who lost family in Gaza and has become (understandably) radical in a worrying way ever since. There’s so much personal investment at this point - I don’t know what, if anything I can really do here
Show them this video please or at least use some of the logic, facts, or points that loner goes through in this video and have a convo with them. At any sign of hostility or the convo getting heated, pull back. You don’t wanna lose your friends over this.
Do I vote for a person, who may very well just forget about supporting the Palestinians the day after his election while also giving Israel every single weapon and armament an army could ever want in WW2, or do I vote for the guy who will give Israel everything they ask for but not pretend to give a shit about the Palestinians? Id rather vote someone else who gives a shit about the Palestinians. I view Biden as too little too late.
“Here’s just the differences between Trump and Biden on this one issue.”
“So you’re saying this is the only issue people should care about? So you’re saying this is the only option? So you’re putting leftists in a box?” 😂
Yep, total lack of substance in this chatters arguments, really just criticizing bonerbox with stories and whining.
@@gregnoble4035 it’s just reactionary anti-electoral sentiment. I don’t know what Russian disinformation campaign convinced these pple that the only way to change the system is to disengage with it, plant community gardens and go to a few protests every year but it’s fkn annoying.
which is even dumber because if you break it down biden is also better on every issue lol
Also I liked how bro was very adamant he wasn't a one-issue voter. Because it seems he actually was an omni-issue voter. Apparently if any issue exists where he's dissatisfied with a candidate, he won't vote for them and so come what may. "Why are you talking about This One Issue? What about This One Other Issue?"
I'm sure in his utopia with electoralism gone meaning where leaders are not elected at all, he'll be very happy with how the system will consistently produce people meeting his omni-standards sitting at the top.
@@hardphlex I WAS JUST ABOUT TO SAY THIS!!!!
Donald Trump would just sit there and shrug passively as an Evangelical preacher literally burned trams people at the stake in front of him, but.people wanna fuck around with this Both Sides Bad bullshit! PLEASE! Tell me you're ultra-priviledged without telling me!
the idea that Biden and Trump are just as bad is so stupid that I don't think those people are reachable. They want to larp
Second Thought is a case in point. He recently made a video about how liberals are the most dangerous thing in the western world. Like, REALLY? I disagree with liberals on alot, but thats a draindead, tankie assertion.
It is obvious that Biden is a far superior option than Trump and while this election is very important for the future of American democracy, it is completely understandable why so many people feel demoralized that the choice is between Trump and Biden again. People are so sick of having to choose between the lesser of two evils, and while a Trump victory will be devastating for America, Biden represents an establishment that is completely out of touch with the average American citizen that is struggling to make ends meet while they only care about enriching themselves. And even worse, are complicit in Israel's slaughter in Gaza. Presidential Elections should be about what direction do American's want their country to go, and what policies can the government implement to achieve this path. It should not be a choice between a wannabe dictator and a normal status quo politician who nobody wants but at least he is better than the other guy. It is obvious anyone with a conscience should vote for Biden over Trump if they want a future, but they have every right to despise the choice they are presented with.
It is obvious that Biden is a far superior option than Trump and while this election is very important for the future of American democracy, it is completely understandable why so many people feel demoralized that the choice is between Trump and Biden again. People are so sick of having to choose between the lesser of two evils, and while a Trump victory will be devastating for America, Biden represents an establishment that is completely out of touch with the average American citizen that is struggling to make ends meet while they only care about enriching themselves. And even worse, are complicit in the situation in Gaza. Presidential Elections should be about what direction do American's want their country to go, and what policies can the government implement to achieve this path. It should not be a choice between a wannabe dictator and a normal status quo politician who nobody wants but at least he is better than the other guy. It is obvious anyone with a conscience should vote for Biden over Trump if they want a future, but they have every right to despise the choice they are presented with.
If you look at them from a rigidly leftist standpoint and squint they have a lot of similarities, but that still ignores some key differences that are *incredibly* important, like how only one of them tried to execute an armed insurrection to overthrow the peaceful transfer of power...
@@joshuacampbell1625 well, he is a braindead tankie, did you see his take on the October 7th attacks?
LonerBox is my favorite political streamer at the moment. I am pro palistianian, but not super psyco about it. His community helps me feel sane 😂
Same, first time I’ve seen the guy but most lefto channels are just full accelerationists while trying to bring Trump back.
Imagine thinking not voting in 2024 is a strategy for progression in America. Imagine being a teenager with a Che poster and bumfluff moustache who listens to half "chill Cuban beats" and half Rage discography. Imagine still playing Command & Conquer: Red alert, but you always play as the Soviets because you "respect their power aesthetic". Imagine being that cringe as an adult.
The online left is a joke
the morons tried it in 2016 saw all the results and thought to themselves we need more of that.
Brain dead fucking logic. So irritating.
True gigachads play Yuri exclusively
That call in reminded me that we leftists need to accept we are simply just not as popular as we would either like or as we often think
Voting is the bare minimum that needs to be done, activism also needs to be done constantly. The problem is that internet leftists dont do any activism so their ideas dont spread. The online left sacrificed any political power they had for internet points. It's so sad
This is true. We need to stop exaggerating our support, and start to work more proactively
But the ideas are still not as rejected as apoliticals think. As long as you avoid certain words, they support lots of leftist ideas.
@@EVsbarberspoleDepends on the ideas.
Trump gave an interview with his diagnosis of the problem in Palestine as "Israel and Biden are too soft and the Gazan problem needs to be Finally Solved". Why does anything more need to be said?
Trump also said in an interview that if you're jewish and vote Democrat, you are a fake jew.
Because not using your brain is easier than using it even just a little. Like fuck Biden but I'm voting for his stupid senile ass anyway because it takes like 5 minutes and the alternative is worse. Just cause the system sucks shit doesn't mean you shouldn't use what little power you have in it to steer it a bit less bad. If you don't want to vote you don't have to, but you deserve whatever circus you get out of it.
because donald wasn't president when their family members were dismembered in gaza
Sure what else needs to be said? Israel is incredibly soft. Look how Arabs deal with terrorism. Hamas takes advantage of Israel.
Trump is literally echoing a "final solution" yet leftists will say Biden is just as genocidal as he is. Lmao it's exhausting
A tunnel between the Palestinian Territories?…. I think we definitely don’t need anymore tunnels in this region
The true peace process is the tunnels we made along the way.
like a metro system or something? the recent war made me realize they had a lot of problems but also good things, danm
Living in reality is understanding you have to play within the system to change the system to benefit you. Conservatives understand this I don't understand what "leftists" don't get about it.
Completely agree. There's a level of compromise that Conservatives understand you need to do in order to incrementally shift policy toward your goal. Leftists either don't move or want to "burn it all down".
the problem is these types dont want to the work to make the dems work for their interests. They want it handed on a platter.
Glad to have some one lay it all out for people in a simple and easy to understand way. I do fear the types of people who think Biden is anywhere near as bad as Trump might be to far gone but we have to try and hope some of them aren't completely lost.
I’ve been trying to reason with some of them but they’re insane. I was just talking to someone last week about Trump vs Biden on Palestine and they believe that both of them are the same. They then laid out their plan to get a ceasefire… punish the Dems for supporting genocide and let the GOP rule to collapse America. Then when America collapses, Zionism (Israel) by extension collapses and there is a permanent ceasefire.
Edit: No matter how much I showed them that Biden is better on every issue, including Gaza, and that a ceasefire under him would be 10x more likely than under trump, they wouldn’t budge. From the convo, it seemed like they cared more about punishing the democrats than actually getting a ceasefire done ASAP.
I really don't understand why it's so hard for the "don't bother voting" types to realise that voting being insufficient is a reason to do *more*, not less. The idea that allowing the guy who literally tried to violently overthrow the government once already to win is equally bad to the guy who's kind of bad in a leftist framework but at least feels obliged to pretend to care is absurd.
Thank you, I don't understand why so many can't grasp this.
Omg I'm so sick of echo chamber larper leftists pretending they haven't launched full scale d0m3st1c terrorism for YEARS to overthrow government order because 1 day a drunk viking danced on pelosis desk.
Outside of your echo chamber we have seen the last decade of democrat party sponsored t36606ism and laugh at comments like yours.
They expect 4 years worth of change in one day of voting…They preach so much but organize so little.
A Scott and a Canadian talking about the current US election this is foreign interface
An elected American official calling Netanyahu an impediment for peace is a HUGE thing politically. Not just for the US but it is a bit more powerful considering our unwavering support in the past.
Imagine if the women's movement or working class movements in the 18th, 19th and 20th centuries gave up on the political systems because none of the options were perfect. Fucking madness. Nothing will ever be perfect. Gradual improvement is all there is. Compromising with people you disagree with is the very essence of politics. Only children who have never grown out of their entitlement issues seriously believe it is incumbent on politicians to listen to their views alone and everyone else should simply bow to them.
its not even close, but somehow people have memed themselves into believing trump is better… the guy who moved the US embassy to jerusalem… like… hello? earth to saturn?
What's wrong with that? US Congress authorized it. Or do you hate democracy?
@@John-bravooo you did the meme good job
Caller mixed up 2016 and 2020 elections
"independents are going to get what, 5% of the vote?"
Oh you sweet summer child. That's almost on the level of "what can a banana cost, $10?"
No, he is not. There! That was easy :)
These people do realize that last time we got 3 conservative justices due to people not voting for Hilary. I promise you if Trump wins again we are gonna have at least 2 other judges retire and are gonna get even younger conservative justices in their places
I really liked the summary presentation of this segment, would love more like these
IF i was a US single issue voter on guns, palestine/israel, ukraine, immigration, ... then I would not vote anymore. I don't get what I want. Normal people don't want Frump though, voting against him by voting for Biden is easy.
33:55 oh my god literally the worst guy
does "pound shop" mean dollar store?
yes
If Trump gets back in, I will blame every leftist that did not vote for Biden.
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nah. Many leftists are still voting for Biden but the most toxic loud ones aren't. They would have been against Bernie if he would won since he wouldn't be able to press the M4A button on his desk and fix healthcare.
@@jasonhudson755234
Tankies are the most useless leftists in the 21st century
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yes but im a leftist, im a tiny baby and i want my cookies NOW!
I'm one and I think people should vote for Biden and he is better than any issue compared to Trump. Bernie and AOC disagree with Biden on many issues but they understand Biden is far better than trump. Heck, when it comes to labor, the environment, judges, anti trust ( conservative judges keep blocking the FDC) and foreign policy (not good on Gaza) he is light years ahead. Only an idiot who gets their news from tiktok would think Biden is the same or worse than trump.
32:50 Being “Disenfranchised” isn’t when your guy isn’t on the ballot so wahhh you won’t vote for anyone!. Let’s stop throwing that word around
They love to preach in the way that gives them an excuse not to act.
Wish I had those differences memorized a few days ago when I had that exact debate with a few former comrades. Arguments against participating in the electoral process are so flimsy and these few facts are all that I would've needed to falsify the claim that voting doesn't matter. If facts would've changed their opinions is questionable tho. It's heartbreKing to see leftists operate on the same logical level as members of the far right.
Bless lonerbox
Very interesting. Thank you
Seen first half, such good balance between brevity and substance 🤠
Love that you mentioned Michigan and I agree, no idea if it made a difference.
However every little helps and public opinion generally has helped push some politicians to shift, a bit.
Apparently Biden warned Bibi not to make the same mistakes the US did when reacting to the 911 terror attack.
It's all in the US military's field manuals:
This is not the way to peace, just further radicalisation!..
Some lefties were refusing to vote for Biden the child hair sniffer, the last time.
Biden should win again... However Trump wasn't supposed to win at all.
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40:03 ok but If the option is between a moderate on your side of the Asile and a conservative you go with the moderate. I don't understand how hard this is
as the greatest democracy in the world???... can someone explain to me how Americans get to choose between 2 Alzheimer's patients as the leader of their country?
no its okay guys biden will definitely change the voting process, as if hes done anything to note still
Love BIDEN
The comments on Presidential legacies is wild. I'm people sure if Biden was able to make progress towards a two state solution it would be one of the greatest foreign policy victories since to collapse of the Soviet Union
Caller is the definition of high on your own farts
Now, why does Trump's face have a beauty filter on?
The machine wanted Hillary....and im saying this as a Hillary supporter. They def did Bernie dirty
"The machine" referring mostly to the majority of the voters lol
@@Tysca_ Na, lol. You don't remember the whole Donna Brasil thing? Bernie's campaign was absolutely suppressed by his own party to prop up Hillary, just like Hillary got the rug pulled out from under her in 08 by Obama
I know it would be pure brain cancer but it would be interesting to do a vid on Sargon and his weird NRx / Dark Enlightenment turn he and a lot of other losers are doing
Really appreciate the Lonerbox election fact box
22:40 That's a little naive though. Or maybe not. The thing is more like agreeing to a ceasefire is not the same as complying with it. That's a reason Israel (or anyone in their place, like Ukraine with respect to negotiating with Putin) won't accept a permanent ceasefire if Hamas is in power. Because it won't work. Two years (or something like that) from now we'll be in the same situation as today.
35:45 also my experience working for campaigns, if you're too fringe or categorized as unlikely to be persuaded or turned out you're kinda just ruling yourself out. Campaign teams want to get the base to turn our and the persuadable to more towards them. Why waste limited time and resources on the "It's never enough" brigade
48:14 shit I don't care how good a president is they're going to do something somebody doesn't like. I don't get rhe point they're Trying to make
I got a felony for stealing some dumb shit out of a few cars when I was 16 so I don't have voting rights
Trump will actually allow them to build the Third temple on the Temple Mount LMAO
This destiny intro music really doesn’t fit you
Bernie is independant, wth?
Yes, he caucuses with Democrats
yes, he ran as a democrat because he’s a smart person who sees the value of working within the viable party
destiny clone
rly? how? explain pls, im curious :)
did @LonerBox share this document somewhere?
An holistic approach ☯️
Gay?
Bisexual actually.
The law on water supply. Water supply is considered civilian, even if soldiers drink water too. It is protected and you cannot target water supply. If water supply infrastructure is used for military purposes then that military infrastructure can be targeted and in that case the water structure would be considered collateral damage. All of this is legal.
What is illegal is targeting the water infrastructure when there is no military purpose. In essence water infrastructure is treated as if it were human civilians.
What Israel was doing before the war was pumping it's own water into gaza. It is this pumping that Biden 'encouraged' Israel to resume. Israel is not obligated in any way under international law to provide water to gaza. Note, this is water that is never paid for.
You know that slaves didn't pay for their lodgings right? Not sure why you bring up payment to a peoples brutal oppressors as some sort of bad thing.
@@Juel92 So better to not give them water? So they thirst and die? Israel is giving that water specifically to try and improve the relationship. After Oct 7th that motivation is gone.
@@kmo9790 The reason that analogy fails is that you do have an obligation to house your slaves, you don't have an obligation to give free water to the country next door, the country that remains at war with you.
@@gudmundursteinarThe reason why my analogy doesn't fail is that Israel controls all entry and exit from Gaza. It is an open air prison, and the warden has the obligation to prevent people under their care from starving. Even if some of the prisoners start a riot.
Palestine isn't a country. Please know the facts before speaking. Israel is at war with Hamas not the starving people of Palestine.
@@kmo9790 Except the border with egypt obviously.
Imagine letting the wealthiest most powerful country in the world fall to a totalitarian regime just because of some desert people on the other side of the planet.
how is this guy's hair black, yet his beard is brown
The difference is a slow moving Genocide vs. a medium speed Genocide. Incredible insight. Holy fucking shit.
Genocide involved killing, this is deportation and cutting aids from our tax payer.
Everyone forget Trump got Israel to make peace treat with the Sudan. Would have progressed in making a dominal effect pease.
We have to be honest about Biden he is better than trump but acting like the guy who has done over a 100 different arms transfers with Israel without congressional approval is out right hasan level framing.
Bro literally doesn't even mention the other candidates like Marianne Williamson and Cornell West. What a hack.
Because none of them have a shot at winning. Sucks to suck if you're a Cornell-stan, but reality doesn't care.
Williamson the one that ran, got dunked in the primaries, canceled her run, then revoked it, got dunked on again in the primaries and renounced the run again. Oddly enough her crystals didn't help her in the real world. Cornel-West, the one that isn't even on the ballot in all states and none of his ideas would get through the rest of the governments branches and has terrible ideas for Foreign Affairs?
They are pointless in this conversation
7 minutes in and I already don’t want to listen to the rest. Your argument hinges on, Biden is committing helping slow genocide vs trump who would have done it quick and far worst. This is on the same level of questioning of, would you rather live in Soviet Russia under Stalin, or East Germany under hitler..? Both options suck. Pulling hairs of, Biden is objectively better because he isn’t as draconian as Trump is very pathetic. A genocide is a genocide. That 250 million or whatever that I stopped at, means shit. When Israel continues to block over 70% of trucks, and we drop what, 41,000 meals?! That’s 1 meal for 1 person of about 2 million people who need it, for a freaking day. And air dropping is first come first served, which is why people got squashed by the drop. Do not even try to say Biden is better. Because he ain’t. Also like to add, building a makeshift port that will take 2 months to build, waste of my freaking money. They will all be dead by then.
then dont complaim about trump then
"He isnt as draconian"
And yeah...that matters. You can pretend it doesnt but just continue larping.
Just admit you want republicans to get rid of them faster, since that’s what you’re advocating for.
Reject the blackpill bro, become hopeful pilled and see that building a port to give aid is a good thing.
Also voting is the least you can do in a democracy, doing activism stuff also needs to be done but to me it seems you would rather be internet poisoned than doing that. You will never get everything you want so there will never be a candidate that will perfectly satisfy you, that's the consequence of living in a democracy.
So will you feel better when Trump wins? There's European countries moving to recognize Palestine. The UN agreed to call for a cease-fire. There is aid, however small, being delivered.
Ok I'm convinced, Biden is worse on this issue.
So by that username you mean the “peace by killing all of me enemies” route I guess?
@@LoudWaffle You guessed wrong.
@@LoudWaffle You conflating me having criticism on what Lonerbox said and what Biden did, with me wanting to kill every enemy with no diplomacy, is very emblematic of the discourse on this conflict, btw.
@@LoudWaffleTechnically the implication of what he said is he just wants even more of them dead, not necessarily all of them dead. This is a very crucial distinction that requires both coping AND seething when missed, as you can see. /s
Elaborate in detail please? How on earth is Biden worse?
I almost though this was going to be a real analysis, but through the whole video you are being hyperbolic and ignorant on purpose. Iesser evilism is being implicitly okay with always voting for evil. Saying to never vote third party is extremely goofy, how do you ever escape the two party system if you intend to feed it forever.
By infiltrating the Democratic party with more progressive candidates that will get ranked voting to pass. By getting them to win locally first so that they actually have a base that can run a serious presidential candidate. Ya know, stuff that doesn't boil down to just being a political toddler that just wants its cookie now
then put in the work after november of this year, stop showing up right at the end of the primaries to talk about 3rd party. It’s going to take years of slow progress to get a viable 3rd party. Even then, do we form a progressive party like the green party and split the vote 40/30/30 and lose every election ever? Think of our immediate aims
Asking a leftist to think lmao 🤣
@hardphlex What are you talking about. You've made up a fanfiction about my political background, and you're debating that. We've got an actual opportunity for third parties to get federal funding if they pass a threshold of votes in the general, and this clown wants to talk about how because they can't get the presidency there is no point. A "viable" third party is literally impossible without taking that step.
@hardphlex we're already losing every election ever. If you consider a Biden or a Trump win a victory for Americans you are delusional